1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,624 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,584 Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,624 --> 00:00:32,704 Speaker 2: Brodneck and I'm Ambanum and we're both looking very out 6 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:35,704 Speaker 2: of sorts today because it's our work Christmas party. No 7 00:00:35,824 --> 00:00:37,544 Speaker 2: I said, hey, I said, you looked beautiful when you 8 00:00:37,624 --> 00:00:37,984 Speaker 2: walked in. 9 00:00:38,224 --> 00:00:40,104 Speaker 1: Just normal for the people. 10 00:00:40,184 --> 00:00:42,264 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, it's a podcast, they can't see you. We'll 11 00:00:42,264 --> 00:00:44,184 Speaker 2: have to post a photo later because it's our work 12 00:00:44,224 --> 00:00:47,904 Speaker 2: Christmas party day, which feels very wholesome and cute. See, 13 00:00:47,944 --> 00:00:49,784 Speaker 2: we're both dressed to how we wouldn't normally. 14 00:00:50,184 --> 00:00:52,664 Speaker 1: Fill team, including our producer Cam. We're all wearing blue. 15 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:55,064 Speaker 2: Why are we in florals? We never wear floral? 16 00:00:55,224 --> 00:00:55,424 Speaker 1: Blue? 17 00:00:55,504 --> 00:00:57,824 Speaker 2: Floral? Why we were both in blue florals? We have 18 00:00:57,864 --> 00:00:59,424 Speaker 2: curled hair. This is ridiculous. 19 00:00:59,464 --> 00:01:01,544 Speaker 1: It's quite different for us, but I'm enjoying this. 20 00:01:01,704 --> 00:01:03,264 Speaker 2: If you see us on the street, just don't talk 21 00:01:03,304 --> 00:01:05,304 Speaker 2: to us today because we're we're having a moment. When 22 00:01:05,304 --> 00:01:08,144 Speaker 2: we're back in our neutrals and blacks and normal look 23 00:01:08,184 --> 00:01:10,984 Speaker 2: tomorrow chat to us. Okay, okay, Well, coming up on 24 00:01:11,024 --> 00:01:13,704 Speaker 2: the show today, there is something quite intense we have 25 00:01:13,784 --> 00:01:16,144 Speaker 2: to get into, and that is the new allegations against 26 00:01:16,224 --> 00:01:18,424 Speaker 2: Jay Z. Obviously we touched on these the other day 27 00:01:18,624 --> 00:01:21,384 Speaker 2: when they were first reported, but more information has come out. 28 00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:24,864 Speaker 2: He has also made public appearances since then, and things 29 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:27,584 Speaker 2: for him and his famous family have gone even more 30 00:01:27,664 --> 00:01:30,144 Speaker 2: into termal. So we're going to talk about that, but first, 31 00:01:30,144 --> 00:01:31,784 Speaker 2: can you tell me something nice before we talk about 32 00:01:31,824 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 2: this awful subject? 33 00:01:32,864 --> 00:01:36,504 Speaker 1: Yes, because I just need to talk about my current 34 00:01:36,784 --> 00:01:42,984 Speaker 1: obsession right now. It is an artist musician Floral's Blue Florals. 35 00:01:43,184 --> 00:01:46,024 Speaker 1: It is an artist and musician by the name of Doci. 36 00:01:46,264 --> 00:01:47,624 Speaker 1: Does that sound familiar to you? No? 37 00:01:47,824 --> 00:01:49,624 Speaker 2: I my god, wish I was cool enough to know this, 38 00:01:49,664 --> 00:01:50,664 Speaker 2: But you're gonna tell me, okay. 39 00:01:50,744 --> 00:01:55,464 Speaker 1: So she has recently become like massive in the form 40 00:01:55,544 --> 00:01:59,904 Speaker 1: like she's released her debut full length debut named Alligator 41 00:01:59,944 --> 00:02:03,064 Speaker 1: Byites Never Heal, and she's seen Oh what is factual? 42 00:02:03,504 --> 00:02:07,304 Speaker 1: It's factual, so she knows what's going on. She kind 43 00:02:07,304 --> 00:02:10,344 Speaker 1: of calls herself the swamp Princess. She's really cool. But Dotie, 44 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:12,344 Speaker 1: she has seen a one hundred and forty eight percent 45 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:16,664 Speaker 1: increase in global streams since it's massive. She's collab with 46 00:02:16,784 --> 00:02:19,664 Speaker 1: Katy Perry on a new album where Tyler the Creator recently, 47 00:02:19,784 --> 00:02:23,144 Speaker 1: and she's also nominated for three Grammy nominations this year, 48 00:02:23,504 --> 00:02:26,224 Speaker 1: including Best New Artists and Best Rap Album, which is 49 00:02:26,264 --> 00:02:28,624 Speaker 1: also the first female artist that has been honored in 50 00:02:28,624 --> 00:02:32,104 Speaker 1: the category with a mixtape format. So she's quite interesting. 51 00:02:32,144 --> 00:02:35,184 Speaker 1: Her music is like, I feel like one that you 52 00:02:35,224 --> 00:02:37,504 Speaker 1: don't really have to get used to, but you're kind 53 00:02:37,504 --> 00:02:40,144 Speaker 1: of mesmerized by because it's so different to what we're 54 00:02:40,224 --> 00:02:43,224 Speaker 1: usually seeing. The best I can explain, it is kind 55 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:46,144 Speaker 1: of a fusion of hip hop, rap, jazz, and R 56 00:02:46,184 --> 00:02:49,064 Speaker 1: and B. And I first saw her when she did 57 00:02:49,184 --> 00:02:52,504 Speaker 1: her Tiny Desk performance, So if you follow Tiny Desk 58 00:02:52,544 --> 00:02:55,824 Speaker 1: on YouTube or TikTok, it's basically just like I don't 59 00:02:55,864 --> 00:02:57,544 Speaker 1: know how explain, It's like it looks like a classroom 60 00:02:57,744 --> 00:03:00,264 Speaker 1: with a desk, and these like massive performers just come 61 00:03:00,304 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 1: and play with like a small band, just having like 62 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:05,264 Speaker 1: a little sit down with like people, and they just 63 00:03:05,384 --> 00:03:09,144 Speaker 1: perform kind of like a shortened version of a massive performance. 64 00:03:09,144 --> 00:03:11,944 Speaker 1: It's usually round ten to twenty minute, and she did 65 00:03:12,024 --> 00:03:15,544 Speaker 1: hers it got over one million views and everyone is 66 00:03:15,584 --> 00:03:18,024 Speaker 1: saying that this is the best, tiny, best performance they've 67 00:03:18,064 --> 00:03:22,624 Speaker 1: ever seen. She then also performed on Stephen Kobert's show 68 00:03:25,624 --> 00:03:34,944 Speaker 1: Chuto Games All Year built Chip on My Shoulder that 69 00:03:35,064 --> 00:03:39,464 Speaker 1: heard over three million streams on Instagram, one of his 70 00:03:39,544 --> 00:03:42,024 Speaker 1: biggest videos that he's put on his Instagram, So bigger 71 00:03:42,064 --> 00:03:44,984 Speaker 1: than any a lister interview, bigger than any a lister 72 00:03:45,224 --> 00:03:51,144 Speaker 1: musician like performance, I need everyone to watch this performance immediately. 73 00:03:51,304 --> 00:03:53,104 Speaker 1: So it was a combo of two of the songs 74 00:03:53,144 --> 00:03:55,384 Speaker 1: called Boiled Peanuts and Denial as a River, which is 75 00:03:55,384 --> 00:03:57,384 Speaker 1: a song that I've been listening probably about ten times. 76 00:03:57,744 --> 00:03:57,824 Speaker 2: Me. 77 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:01,144 Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. She's self choographed itch. 78 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:03,944 Speaker 1: It was just her and two backup dances, and she 79 00:04:04,024 --> 00:04:07,064 Speaker 1: had these long, beautiful braids that were also connected to 80 00:04:07,104 --> 00:04:09,544 Speaker 1: each one of her backup dancers, and they had like 81 00:04:09,584 --> 00:04:13,344 Speaker 1: this beautiful performance and it was so mesmerizing and it 82 00:04:13,384 --> 00:04:17,304 Speaker 1: was like a slow rap and I couldn't believe it, 83 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:21,064 Speaker 1: like her whole backup crew and her dances and her 84 00:04:21,464 --> 00:04:24,264 Speaker 1: backup vocalists and her band, that all these like amazing 85 00:04:24,304 --> 00:04:26,944 Speaker 1: black women. And she even said on Instagram, this is 86 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:29,424 Speaker 1: my first self chograph performance, and one of the most 87 00:04:29,464 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 1: important things I wanted to highlight was my connection to 88 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:35,024 Speaker 1: black women through hip hop. Like it's a type of 89 00:04:35,544 --> 00:04:39,744 Speaker 1: performance that I physically can't explain unless you've actually watched it, 90 00:04:40,024 --> 00:04:41,664 Speaker 1: because it just looked like art. Like it looked like 91 00:04:41,704 --> 00:04:44,744 Speaker 1: I was in an art gallery just watching an art 92 00:04:44,944 --> 00:04:48,864 Speaker 1: like yea, it was unreal to the point where like 93 00:04:49,384 --> 00:04:50,824 Speaker 1: in the crowd, you know when you can kind of 94 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:52,664 Speaker 1: hear the crowd, and those late night shows like kind 95 00:04:52,704 --> 00:04:55,704 Speaker 1: of enjoying it. They were just like drop dead silence, 96 00:04:55,944 --> 00:04:58,344 Speaker 1: like they were so into it, and then like the 97 00:04:58,384 --> 00:05:00,784 Speaker 1: applause after was unreal. Oh. 98 00:05:00,824 --> 00:05:02,704 Speaker 2: I love this also because first of when you're sing 99 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:04,344 Speaker 2: you're playing that song over and over again. I love 100 00:05:04,384 --> 00:05:06,624 Speaker 2: that there is nothing like that feeling when you become 101 00:05:06,624 --> 00:05:09,424 Speaker 2: obsessed with a new song, and I feel like that's 102 00:05:09,584 --> 00:05:11,944 Speaker 2: sometimes hard to to do in the way that we 103 00:05:11,984 --> 00:05:14,264 Speaker 2: have music now, because even people were saying from their 104 00:05:14,264 --> 00:05:16,504 Speaker 2: Spotify raps and things this year, like it's the same 105 00:05:16,944 --> 00:05:19,424 Speaker 2: few artists between us, like over and over again, Like 106 00:05:19,424 --> 00:05:22,384 Speaker 2: our lists aren't changing from year to year, and back 107 00:05:22,384 --> 00:05:24,464 Speaker 2: in the day they would be quite different because we'd 108 00:05:24,464 --> 00:05:26,784 Speaker 2: be getting hit with so much new music all the 109 00:05:26,784 --> 00:05:28,344 Speaker 2: time because it was whatever you heard on the radio, 110 00:05:28,344 --> 00:05:29,584 Speaker 2: which is a whole of the issue because that was 111 00:05:29,624 --> 00:05:32,144 Speaker 2: gay keepery as well. But nowadays it can be really 112 00:05:32,144 --> 00:05:34,104 Speaker 2: hard for big artists to cut through unless they go 113 00:05:34,184 --> 00:05:36,544 Speaker 2: viral on TikTok for a sound, but that means they're 114 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:39,304 Speaker 2: making songs to go on TikTok or if they like 115 00:05:39,384 --> 00:05:41,064 Speaker 2: somehow team up with on the singer they have a 116 00:05:41,144 --> 00:05:43,584 Speaker 2: viral moment. Like it's very hard now and a lot 117 00:05:43,624 --> 00:05:45,424 Speaker 2: of musicians say this, it's very hard for them to 118 00:05:45,464 --> 00:05:47,984 Speaker 2: just cut through with good music, yeah, and just. 119 00:05:47,944 --> 00:05:49,504 Speaker 1: To be and I think they have to rely on 120 00:05:49,584 --> 00:05:50,704 Speaker 1: other musicians, right. 121 00:05:50,824 --> 00:05:50,904 Speaker 2: So. 122 00:05:51,024 --> 00:05:53,064 Speaker 1: I think a big part of why she's just like 123 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:56,784 Speaker 1: skyrocketed now in particular, was because Kendrick Lamar went on 124 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:58,704 Speaker 1: record and said, like she's the best in the game 125 00:05:58,784 --> 00:06:01,024 Speaker 1: right now. Oh, I love that, and everyone's like what 126 00:06:01,184 --> 00:06:03,344 Speaker 1: And then it's only like you said, it's so competitive. 127 00:06:03,344 --> 00:06:05,064 Speaker 1: It's only when you go back and listen to their 128 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:08,344 Speaker 1: discography that I've now seen videos of her playing to 129 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 1: like thousands of people, like crowds of people who know 130 00:06:11,544 --> 00:06:13,464 Speaker 1: like the lyrics to a song. Yeah, and you think 131 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 1: it's someone that you've just discovered who's just like come 132 00:06:15,864 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 1: across your fee. Yeah yeah, and I'm like, no, she's 133 00:06:17,704 --> 00:06:20,144 Speaker 1: been like similar to when we talk aboutchapelorone, Like she's 134 00:06:20,184 --> 00:06:22,184 Speaker 1: been doing it for so so long. So it's just 135 00:06:22,184 --> 00:06:25,224 Speaker 1: so nice to see like everyone get on board. 136 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:27,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I love that. Okay, I'm gonna add her 137 00:06:27,224 --> 00:06:27,784 Speaker 2: to everyone. 138 00:06:28,624 --> 00:06:31,104 Speaker 1: I reckon we should post it on the Spill Instagram. Okay, well, 139 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:33,424 Speaker 1: we're going to post her performance. I'm just taking reins now. 140 00:06:33,504 --> 00:06:36,344 Speaker 1: We're gonna post her performance from the Stephen Covesho on 141 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:38,504 Speaker 1: our instagram at the Spill podcast. Keep an eye for 142 00:06:38,544 --> 00:06:40,264 Speaker 1: that because I'll be watching it on repeat. 143 00:06:41,984 --> 00:06:45,624 Speaker 2: So just this week, formal allegations were made against jay 144 00:06:45,704 --> 00:06:48,384 Speaker 2: Z in regards to the rape of a minor, which 145 00:06:48,424 --> 00:06:53,264 Speaker 2: is all intertwined with the numerous ongoing, very disturbing allegations 146 00:06:53,544 --> 00:06:56,864 Speaker 2: against Sean Comb's No One as Diddy. And it's interesting 147 00:06:56,904 --> 00:06:59,904 Speaker 2: when this information came out because when we first saw 148 00:06:59,944 --> 00:07:02,424 Speaker 2: this lawsuit and we saw the information in it, we 149 00:07:02,424 --> 00:07:04,864 Speaker 2: were quite shocked. Obviously it's very disturbing, but a lot 150 00:07:04,904 --> 00:07:07,104 Speaker 2: of people I saw like the conversation saying like, oh, 151 00:07:07,104 --> 00:07:09,424 Speaker 2: I thought he'd already been charged didn't we know this, 152 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:12,504 Speaker 2: And there's a big diference between people have been assuming 153 00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:15,584 Speaker 2: that jay Z and to some extent, his wife Beyonce 154 00:07:16,024 --> 00:07:19,064 Speaker 2: have been wrapped up in these Seawan Colme's allegations. But 155 00:07:19,184 --> 00:07:22,264 Speaker 2: this is the first time any kind of formal charges 156 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:23,824 Speaker 2: or accusations have been put out there. 157 00:07:23,864 --> 00:07:26,584 Speaker 1: It's quite dangerous as well, because I can imagine like, 158 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:29,584 Speaker 1: unless you're doing our job or you're in the industry, 159 00:07:29,744 --> 00:07:31,904 Speaker 1: a lot of people I think would just read a headline, 160 00:07:31,984 --> 00:07:34,984 Speaker 1: think they understand the story, like read a redded post, 161 00:07:35,024 --> 00:07:37,984 Speaker 1: read something on Twitter, and then just make assumptions yeah, 162 00:07:38,024 --> 00:07:40,464 Speaker 1: just because of that illusion, yeah, or even just on TikTok, 163 00:07:40,664 --> 00:07:42,824 Speaker 1: which is where most people get their information nowadays, which 164 00:07:42,904 --> 00:07:44,624 Speaker 1: is just you know, it's just neither good nor bad. 165 00:07:44,624 --> 00:07:47,464 Speaker 2: It just is a fact. And so many people were 166 00:07:47,464 --> 00:07:49,464 Speaker 2: seeing videos that were just you know, a picture of 167 00:07:49,544 --> 00:07:51,984 Speaker 2: jay Z, and this is before these allegations came out, 168 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 2: saying like, oh, he's been charged, or just saying like 169 00:07:54,344 --> 00:07:55,784 Speaker 2: this is the moment on the red carpet where you 170 00:07:55,784 --> 00:07:57,704 Speaker 2: can see his face change, this is the moment he 171 00:07:57,744 --> 00:08:00,584 Speaker 2: and Beyonce realized they've been caught, And just absolutely none 172 00:08:00,624 --> 00:08:02,824 Speaker 2: of that is true, like this is the first documentation 173 00:08:02,904 --> 00:08:03,344 Speaker 2: we've seen. 174 00:08:03,904 --> 00:08:08,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's important too, Like we did 175 00:08:08,064 --> 00:08:12,144 Speaker 1: it when we were first initially covering Sean Comb's and 176 00:08:12,184 --> 00:08:15,384 Speaker 1: everything involved in that, but to kind of like spread 177 00:08:15,384 --> 00:08:19,304 Speaker 1: it out from beginning, middle, and end, just because there 178 00:08:19,344 --> 00:08:23,504 Speaker 1: are just so much information coming out now that only 179 00:08:23,544 --> 00:08:25,664 Speaker 1: once you read it in the context of everything else 180 00:08:25,664 --> 00:08:26,864 Speaker 1: does it really make sense. 181 00:08:26,904 --> 00:08:27,504 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 182 00:08:27,864 --> 00:08:31,304 Speaker 1: So we briefly talked about jay Z when it first 183 00:08:31,384 --> 00:08:34,744 Speaker 1: was announced, I think it was two days ago, but 184 00:08:35,104 --> 00:08:37,504 Speaker 1: as a little recap, I think it's important to like 185 00:08:37,544 --> 00:08:40,544 Speaker 1: go through everything that's happened. So I think Beyonce and 186 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:45,104 Speaker 1: jay Z's name was first publicly involved when Jaguar Wright, 187 00:08:45,344 --> 00:08:48,584 Speaker 1: a backing vocalist and songwriter for jay Z and Beyonce, 188 00:08:48,864 --> 00:08:52,264 Speaker 1: went on the Piers Morgan show called Piers Morgan Uncensored, 189 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:56,464 Speaker 1: and she accused jay Z and Beyonce keeping people there 190 00:08:56,544 --> 00:09:00,424 Speaker 1: against their will and using tactics to manipulate others. These 191 00:09:00,464 --> 00:09:04,504 Speaker 1: allegations were aired without evidence, and it also led to 192 00:09:04,624 --> 00:09:08,864 Speaker 1: a backlash and legal action from Beyonce and jay Z's representatives, 193 00:09:09,224 --> 00:09:11,744 Speaker 1: so Piers Morgan then had to issue a public apology 194 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:13,384 Speaker 1: to beyond saying jay Z, which is what I think 195 00:09:13,464 --> 00:09:16,064 Speaker 1: was picked up more than the actual legal matter of it. 196 00:09:16,104 --> 00:09:18,864 Speaker 1: That's how we kind of got introduced to it. So 197 00:09:18,944 --> 00:09:21,504 Speaker 1: he had to shoe an apology publicly, and he admitted 198 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:24,584 Speaker 1: that the allegations were baseless and confirmed that his show 199 00:09:24,624 --> 00:09:27,344 Speaker 1: had complied with the legal request to remove the remarks 200 00:09:27,384 --> 00:09:31,504 Speaker 1: from the interview. So, after all of that happened, when 201 00:09:32,264 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 1: jay Z's name was kind of mentioned alongside Sean Combs, 202 00:09:36,624 --> 00:09:39,424 Speaker 1: his lawyers said that he had received a letter from 203 00:09:39,744 --> 00:09:43,624 Speaker 1: the plaintiff's lawyer threatening to immediately file a public lawsuit 204 00:09:43,704 --> 00:09:47,464 Speaker 1: against him unless he agreed to resolve those issues through 205 00:09:47,664 --> 00:09:51,984 Speaker 1: a mediation kind of format. But instead, jay Z's lawyers 206 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:55,624 Speaker 1: sued the lawyer, Tony Busby, And that's when jay Z 207 00:09:55,744 --> 00:09:58,984 Speaker 1: put out that statement that we talked about earlier this week, and. 208 00:09:58,944 --> 00:10:00,544 Speaker 2: The statement which we read out and full in a 209 00:10:00,544 --> 00:10:03,504 Speaker 2: previous podcast we were talking about this not only denies 210 00:10:03,504 --> 00:10:06,664 Speaker 2: the allegations, but why it's so interesting is that, unlike 211 00:10:06,704 --> 00:10:10,664 Speaker 2: other celebrity statements around really big matters like this, came 212 00:10:10,664 --> 00:10:16,224 Speaker 2: across as so devoid of like legal representation or like 213 00:10:16,264 --> 00:10:18,784 Speaker 2: a PR plan. It really just felt like, you know, 214 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:20,544 Speaker 2: usually those kind of things are so craft and then 215 00:10:20,584 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 2: you give a lot away a lot of information because 216 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:24,824 Speaker 2: they're worried about it being used in any kind of 217 00:10:24,824 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 2: context or making headlines. But this one just really felt 218 00:10:27,784 --> 00:10:29,984 Speaker 2: like jay Z sat down and just like put his 219 00:10:30,024 --> 00:10:32,184 Speaker 2: thoughts and just hit send really before he'd read it 220 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:32,624 Speaker 2: back over. 221 00:10:32,864 --> 00:10:35,624 Speaker 1: It was a very it felt like a very angry, 222 00:10:35,824 --> 00:10:41,024 Speaker 1: emotionally driven statement, which I don't know as a father, 223 00:10:41,224 --> 00:10:43,864 Speaker 1: it kind of made sense, like as this big family 224 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:46,024 Speaker 1: man that he is, it kind of made sense like 225 00:10:46,064 --> 00:10:48,664 Speaker 1: the rage behind it. But I also wanted to focus 226 00:10:48,704 --> 00:10:52,224 Speaker 1: on a particular part of the statement because it's really 227 00:10:52,264 --> 00:10:55,904 Speaker 1: interesting where he says this lawyer talking about Tony Busbey. 228 00:10:55,984 --> 00:10:58,024 Speaker 1: This lawyer who I have done a bit of research on, 229 00:10:58,184 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 1: seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics. 230 00:11:01,224 --> 00:11:03,224 Speaker 1: I have no idea how you have come to be 231 00:11:03,304 --> 00:11:06,184 Speaker 1: such a deplorable human, mister Busby, but I promise you 232 00:11:06,224 --> 00:11:09,024 Speaker 1: I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more 233 00:11:09,064 --> 00:11:10,984 Speaker 1: than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to 234 00:11:10,984 --> 00:11:13,904 Speaker 1: be a marine, question mark. Marines are known for their valor. 235 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:17,784 Speaker 1: You have neither honor nor dignity. So this part I 236 00:11:17,864 --> 00:11:21,784 Speaker 1: found very interesting because a lot of places have done 237 00:11:21,984 --> 00:11:26,264 Speaker 1: research into Tony Buzzby, and it's interesting the fact, like 238 00:11:26,544 --> 00:11:29,824 Speaker 1: just the fact that we know Tony Busby's name is 239 00:11:29,864 --> 00:11:32,864 Speaker 1: wild to me because whenever we talk about these massive 240 00:11:32,904 --> 00:11:36,344 Speaker 1: celebrity stories, there's always a lawyer involved, and that's kind 241 00:11:36,344 --> 00:11:38,424 Speaker 1: of their place and the whole story. They're just the lawyer, 242 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:42,184 Speaker 1: where Tony Busby seems to be a public figure in himself, 243 00:11:42,224 --> 00:11:45,824 Speaker 1: like he's developed a personality himself alongside the celebrities that 244 00:11:45,824 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 1: are involved. 245 00:11:46,464 --> 00:11:48,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost reminiscent of the lawyers who were in 246 00:11:48,704 --> 00:11:51,864 Speaker 2: Johnny jbp's trial. Remember how Johnny jbp's lawyers became for 247 00:11:51,944 --> 00:11:54,184 Speaker 2: a while there like their own public faces, and they 248 00:11:54,224 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 2: had fan pages for them, and people were like deep 249 00:11:56,744 --> 00:11:59,864 Speaker 2: diving into their background, and they were getting paparazzi and 250 00:12:00,064 --> 00:12:02,384 Speaker 2: photographs and everything as they were going to and from, 251 00:12:02,464 --> 00:12:05,064 Speaker 2: and people were inventing love stories. It was a whole thing. 252 00:12:05,144 --> 00:12:07,424 Speaker 2: Like this is why people love the narrative of these 253 00:12:07,464 --> 00:12:09,944 Speaker 2: sort of public spectacles. Like if they weren't all of 254 00:12:09,944 --> 00:12:12,944 Speaker 2: these like key players with their own storylines and plots 255 00:12:12,944 --> 00:12:15,344 Speaker 2: and things, I don't think people would be as invested 256 00:12:15,584 --> 00:12:17,344 Speaker 2: on the Tony Buzzby thing. Like I've got to say. 257 00:12:17,384 --> 00:12:20,664 Speaker 2: When he first came out with that first lot of 258 00:12:20,904 --> 00:12:26,104 Speaker 2: lawsuits against Sean Combs, and he was doing those press conferences, 259 00:12:26,144 --> 00:12:28,464 Speaker 2: a lot of people were applauding him and sort of 260 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:29,984 Speaker 2: saying that he was like a good person. 261 00:12:30,144 --> 00:12:32,384 Speaker 1: He's saying, like, I have around one hundred and twenty people. 262 00:12:32,504 --> 00:12:34,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did too. Like the thing is just 263 00:12:34,384 --> 00:12:36,344 Speaker 2: because he's done, he's done a few good things and 264 00:12:36,344 --> 00:12:38,264 Speaker 2: like he probably will do more, doesn't mean he's a 265 00:12:38,264 --> 00:12:41,104 Speaker 2: good person overall. Like the thing is in this industry, 266 00:12:41,104 --> 00:12:42,864 Speaker 2: in this game, and these people like I don't think 267 00:12:42,864 --> 00:12:45,424 Speaker 2: there's anyone who's like truly good or anything like that. 268 00:12:45,464 --> 00:12:47,944 Speaker 2: But I think at the time the statements he was 269 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:50,144 Speaker 2: giving in terms of saying like we have gone through 270 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:52,704 Speaker 2: all this information, We're gonna get these people justice. We 271 00:12:52,744 --> 00:12:54,224 Speaker 2: have done this. I've set up teams for this. I 272 00:12:54,304 --> 00:12:55,104 Speaker 2: set up teams for this. 273 00:12:55,384 --> 00:12:56,064 Speaker 1: Call me for this. 274 00:12:56,224 --> 00:12:58,424 Speaker 2: These people have said this. I'm not going to speak 275 00:12:58,464 --> 00:13:00,224 Speaker 2: on this. It's like when someone comes into the room 276 00:13:00,264 --> 00:13:01,944 Speaker 2: and takes charge and you know it's a mess, and 277 00:13:02,024 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 2: like everyone, all of a sudden, that person looks amazing 278 00:13:04,304 --> 00:13:06,184 Speaker 2: to you because you're like this has been bubbling around 279 00:13:06,224 --> 00:13:08,944 Speaker 2: for so long and these stories have been there, and 280 00:13:09,024 --> 00:13:11,384 Speaker 2: it's like someone's coming in and as a plan. Yeah, 281 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:13,144 Speaker 2: a person with a plan is very attractive. 282 00:13:13,344 --> 00:13:15,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you're trying to think like they're fine, 283 00:13:15,464 --> 00:13:18,184 Speaker 1: they're in a safe zone, like they're fine. But then 284 00:13:18,184 --> 00:13:21,704 Speaker 1: you kind of research on that person and you're like, oh, 285 00:13:21,784 --> 00:13:22,504 Speaker 1: you're kinds. 286 00:13:23,024 --> 00:13:25,224 Speaker 2: Once you look into anyone, you're like, god, damn it, 287 00:13:25,264 --> 00:13:27,104 Speaker 2: this person is awful. Of course they are. And I 288 00:13:27,144 --> 00:13:28,664 Speaker 2: went deep, Okay, tell me so. 289 00:13:28,744 --> 00:13:32,384 Speaker 1: I went on his actual lawyer website and he has 290 00:13:32,384 --> 00:13:36,104 Speaker 1: a heap of testimonials on there, like from massive publication, 291 00:13:36,384 --> 00:13:39,544 Speaker 1: New York Times, everything, But some of the testimonials are 292 00:13:39,704 --> 00:13:43,824 Speaker 1: quite intense, like some of them call him mean, psychoaggressive, 293 00:13:43,904 --> 00:13:47,584 Speaker 1: obsessed with winning meanest dog in the yard, Like quite intense. 294 00:13:47,624 --> 00:13:50,424 Speaker 2: It is tough. Most lawyers at that at that level, 295 00:13:50,584 --> 00:13:53,064 Speaker 2: I think that you think they would be mean and aggressive. 296 00:13:53,104 --> 00:13:54,704 Speaker 2: Isn't that there type of level? 297 00:13:54,824 --> 00:13:57,704 Speaker 1: Maybe. I was also looking at his Instagram and he's 298 00:13:57,864 --> 00:14:02,544 Speaker 1: quite a big poster in the sense that he's a 299 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:05,144 Speaker 1: grid post. He loves a grid post of him in 300 00:14:05,184 --> 00:14:08,304 Speaker 1: his private jet. He loves a grid post of him 301 00:14:08,424 --> 00:14:11,664 Speaker 1: and the tank that he that his neighbors are pretty 302 00:14:11,664 --> 00:14:12,424 Speaker 1: angry about. 303 00:14:12,304 --> 00:14:15,624 Speaker 2: Because house everyone's a good person until they have a 304 00:14:15,664 --> 00:14:18,304 Speaker 2: private jet. Then you're automatically off the good person lists gone, 305 00:14:18,384 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 2: You're gone. 306 00:14:19,304 --> 00:14:22,064 Speaker 1: He was also one of the lawyers who filed a 307 00:14:22,104 --> 00:14:25,144 Speaker 1: suit against Travis Scott. Do you remember that Astro world 308 00:14:25,184 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 1: tragedy where ten people died and he was one of 309 00:14:28,384 --> 00:14:31,744 Speaker 1: the lawyers who was representing a person there and their family, 310 00:14:31,944 --> 00:14:34,784 Speaker 1: And then he posted on Facebook, like his Facebook when 311 00:14:34,784 --> 00:14:37,584 Speaker 1: the claims against Travis Scott was settled, there were like 312 00:14:37,744 --> 00:14:40,224 Speaker 1: so many lawyers there. There were around ten people who 313 00:14:40,224 --> 00:14:43,264 Speaker 1: had tragically passed away, but he was like one of 314 00:14:43,264 --> 00:14:46,144 Speaker 1: the lawyers that actually had his name on everything. Yeah, 315 00:14:46,144 --> 00:14:48,544 Speaker 1: and like we're posting about it, and even though his 316 00:14:48,624 --> 00:14:51,344 Speaker 1: posts said that all the stuff was confidential, it was 317 00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:54,184 Speaker 1: quite a it just feels a bit weird, Like you're 318 00:14:54,224 --> 00:14:57,984 Speaker 1: posting on his Facebook page a person who's like your 319 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:01,824 Speaker 1: client's son essentially, and it's just like a photo of 320 00:15:01,904 --> 00:15:02,984 Speaker 1: his face, and. 321 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,424 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's very odd. And yeah, that's what people 322 00:15:05,424 --> 00:15:07,784 Speaker 2: have been saying is that yes, he's probably you know, 323 00:15:07,864 --> 00:15:09,944 Speaker 2: he's a practicing lawyer and he wants to win, and 324 00:15:09,984 --> 00:15:11,744 Speaker 2: he's you know, it seems that he's doing some of 325 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:14,104 Speaker 2: this to help people who wouldn't normally be able to 326 00:15:14,144 --> 00:15:17,464 Speaker 2: stand up against someone like Sean Combs and the allegations 327 00:15:17,504 --> 00:15:19,264 Speaker 2: against him. But on the other side of it, he's 328 00:15:19,264 --> 00:15:20,984 Speaker 2: obviously not doing it just from the goodness of his 329 00:15:21,064 --> 00:15:22,864 Speaker 2: heart and part of it, but it's not even just 330 00:15:22,944 --> 00:15:25,104 Speaker 2: money and prestigious like part of it. Seems like he 331 00:15:25,144 --> 00:15:27,584 Speaker 2: does want to be famed. He wants the cloud, he 332 00:15:27,624 --> 00:15:29,784 Speaker 2: wants Yeah, he wants his face up there. Whereas a 333 00:15:29,824 --> 00:15:32,224 Speaker 2: lot of lawyers in these cases, when they're in these 334 00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:35,144 Speaker 2: big profile cases, they will mute their socials, they won't 335 00:15:35,144 --> 00:15:37,304 Speaker 2: say anything. You see them just running out of the 336 00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:39,744 Speaker 2: courtroom with their faces covered because they're trying not to 337 00:15:39,784 --> 00:15:42,544 Speaker 2: be the story. But it just seems like Tony wants 338 00:15:42,584 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 2: to be the story. 339 00:15:43,424 --> 00:15:46,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's also quite keen on politics. 340 00:15:47,224 --> 00:15:48,824 Speaker 2: Oh yes, because he wants to politics. 341 00:15:48,904 --> 00:15:51,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so bad president, I'm sure so. In two 342 00:15:51,704 --> 00:15:54,704 Speaker 1: thousand and two, he's Republican leaning, and in two thousand 343 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:58,424 Speaker 1: and two he ran an unsuccessful campaign to become Texas 344 00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:02,984 Speaker 1: state representative. In twenty sixteen, he was actively supporting Donald 345 00:16:02,984 --> 00:16:06,624 Speaker 1: Trump during his presidential bid, and he was trying it a. 346 00:16:06,584 --> 00:16:08,184 Speaker 2: Red flag that's like a red. 347 00:16:09,624 --> 00:16:13,464 Speaker 1: Red stops. Yeah, let's start. He was trying to raise 348 00:16:13,464 --> 00:16:17,864 Speaker 1: funds for him, and then during his Trump's Inauguration Committee, 349 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:21,544 Speaker 1: he donated five hundred thousand dollars. In twenty nineteen, he 350 00:16:21,624 --> 00:16:24,624 Speaker 1: tried again to become mayor of Houston, which was unsuccessful. 351 00:16:24,944 --> 00:16:27,424 Speaker 1: So he does want that kind of lifestyle, like he 352 00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:29,624 Speaker 1: does want to be a political figure. He wants to 353 00:16:29,624 --> 00:16:34,544 Speaker 1: be in charge. In twenty fourteen, he represented then Guv. 354 00:16:34,784 --> 00:16:38,824 Speaker 1: Rick Perry against an indictment accusing him of abuse of power. 355 00:16:39,304 --> 00:16:44,464 Speaker 1: And I think this is important because representing like these 356 00:16:44,544 --> 00:16:48,584 Speaker 1: really strong, powerful white men at the same time kind 357 00:16:48,624 --> 00:16:52,864 Speaker 1: of suing and publicly suing and publicly calling out these 358 00:16:53,144 --> 00:16:56,304 Speaker 1: like other really strong men who are all black. What 359 00:16:56,504 --> 00:17:00,304 Speaker 1: seems quite stark to me is after jay Z made 360 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:03,704 Speaker 1: this statement, he also did a kind of respond statement 361 00:17:03,744 --> 00:17:07,144 Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's also quite big. But at the end 362 00:17:07,224 --> 00:17:10,264 Speaker 1: he says, as far as the allegations in the complaint filed, 363 00:17:10,624 --> 00:17:12,824 Speaker 1: we will let the filing speak for itself and will 364 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:15,984 Speaker 1: litigate the facts in court, not in the media. And 365 00:17:16,024 --> 00:17:19,984 Speaker 1: I'm like, that seems kind of hypocritical because he's been 366 00:17:20,024 --> 00:17:24,224 Speaker 1: boasting about how many like allegations he has, how many 367 00:17:24,264 --> 00:17:27,104 Speaker 1: people are involved, Like everything he's like about this case 368 00:17:27,144 --> 00:17:30,304 Speaker 1: we've read from his statements on Twitter, on his social 369 00:17:30,344 --> 00:17:35,024 Speaker 1: media accounts. So when someone who has been accused, and 370 00:17:35,064 --> 00:17:38,344 Speaker 1: also they haven't released the information of the person who 371 00:17:38,544 --> 00:17:40,824 Speaker 1: is accusing jay Z, so he actually doesn't know who 372 00:17:40,824 --> 00:17:45,424 Speaker 1: that person is. When you're like publicly putting someone's name 373 00:17:45,584 --> 00:17:48,904 Speaker 1: under that scrutiny, but at the same time you're saying 374 00:17:48,944 --> 00:17:51,024 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be talking about it publicly, we should leave 375 00:17:51,024 --> 00:17:53,464 Speaker 1: before the court, Yet you are. It seems really weird 376 00:17:53,504 --> 00:17:53,744 Speaker 1: to me. 377 00:17:54,104 --> 00:17:56,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a really difficult one. But I think 378 00:17:56,224 --> 00:17:58,584 Speaker 2: also like the other thing to remember, which is hard 379 00:17:58,584 --> 00:18:00,304 Speaker 2: and not trying to get like moralistic and on my 380 00:18:00,384 --> 00:18:02,304 Speaker 2: high horse here or anything like that. But at the 381 00:18:02,384 --> 00:18:04,104 Speaker 2: end of the day, like, yes, there's a lot of 382 00:18:04,104 --> 00:18:06,264 Speaker 2: this is like it's bad men who are being held 383 00:18:06,304 --> 00:18:09,024 Speaker 2: to account for things they allegedly did which will soon 384 00:18:09,024 --> 00:18:11,344 Speaker 2: come to light. I'm sure there's also a group of 385 00:18:11,384 --> 00:18:14,424 Speaker 2: really powerful rich people who are involved in that because 386 00:18:14,464 --> 00:18:16,704 Speaker 2: they're trying to get clout. But the center of that there. 387 00:18:16,624 --> 00:18:18,024 Speaker 1: He's also one of the powerful riches. 388 00:18:18,744 --> 00:18:20,984 Speaker 2: He's the one I'm referring to the powerful person trying 389 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:22,344 Speaker 2: to get clout. But at the center of that, you 390 00:18:22,384 --> 00:18:25,464 Speaker 2: also have these hundreds of people and these alleged victims 391 00:18:25,464 --> 00:18:27,704 Speaker 2: to have these allegations and stuff, and it's like, I 392 00:18:27,744 --> 00:18:29,784 Speaker 2: think that's all we should be focusing on their stories. 393 00:18:29,784 --> 00:18:32,704 Speaker 2: But I don't think that because that's on exciting and 394 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:35,104 Speaker 2: sexy like this other stuff is. And I don't say 395 00:18:35,104 --> 00:18:37,584 Speaker 2: sexy in like a yeah, I mean like people like that. 396 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,744 Speaker 2: We're so enthralled by celebrity culture that even when the 397 00:18:39,784 --> 00:18:41,824 Speaker 2: celebrity culture is ugly and upsetting. 398 00:18:41,584 --> 00:18:45,744 Speaker 1: Now I feels like bub versus these like massive musicians. 399 00:18:45,744 --> 00:18:47,184 Speaker 1: We're looking forgetting about the victims. 400 00:18:47,224 --> 00:18:48,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're looking for this like good and bad, Like 401 00:18:48,824 --> 00:18:50,584 Speaker 2: who's the hero, who's the villain, who's going to work 402 00:18:50,584 --> 00:18:52,544 Speaker 2: it out? And there's all these people at the center 403 00:18:52,584 --> 00:18:53,904 Speaker 2: of it who have been like, Hey, I'm trying to 404 00:18:53,904 --> 00:18:55,624 Speaker 2: tell you about this horrific thing that happened to me 405 00:18:55,704 --> 00:18:57,664 Speaker 2: years ago and I finally have a way to speak 406 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:57,904 Speaker 2: on it. 407 00:18:57,984 --> 00:19:00,064 Speaker 1: Can you please stop posting me on your Twitter? Yeah? 408 00:19:00,104 --> 00:19:01,824 Speaker 2: Can we not make it about these two men having 409 00:19:01,864 --> 00:19:05,584 Speaker 2: a public fight over who's more powerful? But unfortunately that 410 00:19:05,704 --> 00:19:07,464 Speaker 2: is how this industry in the world works. But the 411 00:19:07,504 --> 00:19:09,104 Speaker 2: thing is, at the end of the day, at least 412 00:19:09,144 --> 00:19:11,704 Speaker 2: these people's stories are going to court, these allegations have 413 00:19:11,784 --> 00:19:13,904 Speaker 2: been made, Like, I think that's something important to hold onto. Yeah, 414 00:19:15,744 --> 00:19:19,864 Speaker 2: So in the midst of all these statements and accusations 415 00:19:19,904 --> 00:19:22,664 Speaker 2: and this kind of threw down fight between Sean Combs 416 00:19:22,664 --> 00:19:25,544 Speaker 2: and Tony Busby and now Jay Z and Tony Busby, 417 00:19:25,824 --> 00:19:28,464 Speaker 2: we also have Jay Z and Beyonce as these two 418 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,304 Speaker 2: incredibly powerful people in Hollywood who up until now have 419 00:19:32,384 --> 00:19:35,544 Speaker 2: been able to both legally and publicly shut down any 420 00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:37,984 Speaker 2: accusation that they're involved in this in any way. And 421 00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:40,904 Speaker 2: they can't do that anymore because actual charges have been 422 00:19:40,944 --> 00:19:44,464 Speaker 2: filed and legal documents. And what is interesting about that 423 00:19:44,544 --> 00:19:46,024 Speaker 2: and what we're going to see unfold over the next 424 00:19:46,024 --> 00:19:48,464 Speaker 2: couple of months, is that as a family, they're often 425 00:19:48,624 --> 00:19:50,944 Speaker 2: very very private, Like we could go months and months 426 00:19:50,984 --> 00:19:53,784 Speaker 2: and months without seeing them because they you know, they 427 00:19:53,824 --> 00:19:56,864 Speaker 2: live very privately and their mansions behind closed doors, and 428 00:19:56,904 --> 00:19:58,384 Speaker 2: they you know, go on private cars. 429 00:19:58,784 --> 00:20:00,904 Speaker 1: They even at the Grammy she was wearing like her 430 00:20:00,984 --> 00:20:03,384 Speaker 1: big cowboy hat like across her face so that no 431 00:20:03,504 --> 00:20:04,104 Speaker 1: one could see her. 432 00:20:04,184 --> 00:20:07,064 Speaker 2: They get private entrances to events. We can go months 433 00:20:07,104 --> 00:20:09,224 Speaker 2: without seeing them. They're also not big posters on social 434 00:20:09,304 --> 00:20:10,864 Speaker 2: beyond the it's not gonna be hey, get ready with me, 435 00:20:11,224 --> 00:20:13,824 Speaker 2: so they can be this very elusive family. But they 436 00:20:13,864 --> 00:20:15,704 Speaker 2: can't do that for the next couple of months because 437 00:20:16,024 --> 00:20:19,064 Speaker 2: these accusations have coincided with a very public time in 438 00:20:19,104 --> 00:20:22,344 Speaker 2: their lives, starting off with the premiere of Mufasa. Did 439 00:20:22,384 --> 00:20:23,864 Speaker 2: you see all these photos and videos? 440 00:20:24,184 --> 00:20:26,664 Speaker 1: I did see that, and all I could think about 441 00:20:27,064 --> 00:20:31,064 Speaker 1: was their little girl, Blue Ivy, who looked absolutely stunning, 442 00:20:31,504 --> 00:20:34,584 Speaker 1: And it was like, I guess her first real kind 443 00:20:34,664 --> 00:20:38,184 Speaker 1: of performance, Like she gets to celebrate, like we've seen 444 00:20:38,224 --> 00:20:41,824 Speaker 1: her perform with Beyonce on stage for her tours, but 445 00:20:41,864 --> 00:20:45,024 Speaker 1: this was like she's in Mufassa, yeah, like playing Kiara 446 00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,144 Speaker 1: and she's just in this gown and she wanted to 447 00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:50,624 Speaker 1: pose with her parents and ah, she's twelve years old. 448 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:53,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, Because the accusations had come out and jay Z 449 00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:55,344 Speaker 2: had put out his statement, but it was all really 450 00:20:55,344 --> 00:20:58,224 Speaker 2: bubbling away and people knew the Mufastera premiere was happening. 451 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:01,544 Speaker 2: If you're not across it's Disney's new lin King prequel, 452 00:21:02,024 --> 00:21:04,144 Speaker 2: so it tells like the origin story of Mufasa, but 453 00:21:04,184 --> 00:21:05,504 Speaker 2: also some other we haven't seen it. 454 00:21:05,504 --> 00:21:08,304 Speaker 1: It's live action, charging can be one the first one. 455 00:21:08,304 --> 00:21:09,424 Speaker 1: They're in this one again. 456 00:21:09,264 --> 00:21:12,144 Speaker 2: Yes, and Blue Ivy voicing Kiaro, who is the daughter 457 00:21:12,304 --> 00:21:15,584 Speaker 2: of Simba. And so this is her first feature film role. 458 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:17,824 Speaker 2: And there's been such a big build up of the 459 00:21:17,864 --> 00:21:19,984 Speaker 2: fact that her mother, you know, was involved in the 460 00:21:20,024 --> 00:21:22,984 Speaker 2: line King franchise, and the thing that this was, yes, 461 00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:24,784 Speaker 2: and then that she was the voice of that, and 462 00:21:24,824 --> 00:21:26,064 Speaker 2: the fact that she was going to be in this 463 00:21:26,064 --> 00:21:27,504 Speaker 2: film and she was going to be doing press and 464 00:21:27,544 --> 00:21:30,864 Speaker 2: red carpets for the first time. And in the lead 465 00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:32,384 Speaker 2: up to it, I think there was like a lot 466 00:21:32,384 --> 00:21:35,624 Speaker 2: of speculation online in particular around who would actually go 467 00:21:35,744 --> 00:21:37,624 Speaker 2: to the event. Would Blue Ivy just because she had 468 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,464 Speaker 2: to go obviously it's her movie. Would she just walk 469 00:21:39,504 --> 00:21:42,704 Speaker 2: the carpet herself. Would Beyonce be there in the background 470 00:21:43,024 --> 00:21:45,104 Speaker 2: just with her, all that sort of stuff. And what 471 00:21:45,144 --> 00:21:47,704 Speaker 2: we saw was Blue Ivy on the red carpet in 472 00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:50,544 Speaker 2: her big flowing goal gown. She's twelve, she looks so 473 00:21:50,584 --> 00:21:53,104 Speaker 2: much older. Oh my god, And I guess me, Mum's Beyonce. 474 00:21:53,224 --> 00:21:54,304 Speaker 2: You just always look glam. 475 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,424 Speaker 1: We should post photos because like me and my year 476 00:21:56,464 --> 00:21:57,584 Speaker 1: twelve four twelve. 477 00:21:57,624 --> 00:22:00,064 Speaker 2: Oh my no, she's on her uteh form when she's twelve. 478 00:22:00,344 --> 00:22:02,584 Speaker 1: I know. Oh sorry, I meant like my year six 479 00:22:02,624 --> 00:22:04,704 Speaker 1: formal when I was twelve, year six formal. 480 00:22:04,744 --> 00:22:09,104 Speaker 2: That's a story for a teacher. But not only was 481 00:22:09,104 --> 00:22:12,104 Speaker 2: she there, but Beyonce next to her, and jay Z 482 00:22:12,344 --> 00:22:15,064 Speaker 2: and Tina Knowles and the Tina Noles thing was interesting 483 00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:18,024 Speaker 2: because if anyone doesn't follow Tina Noles on Instagram, you're 484 00:22:18,064 --> 00:22:21,104 Speaker 2: missing out because as much as Beyonce is an such 485 00:22:21,104 --> 00:22:24,064 Speaker 2: a boomer, and as much as like Beyonce and Solange 486 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 2: her other daughter, so she can call with their social 487 00:22:27,504 --> 00:22:29,704 Speaker 2: usage and they barely use it, and when they do 488 00:22:29,784 --> 00:22:32,944 Speaker 2: it's so curated. Tina will just post like a blurry 489 00:22:32,944 --> 00:22:35,304 Speaker 2: photo and then Solange will be in the comments being like, mom, 490 00:22:35,304 --> 00:22:37,704 Speaker 2: I sent you the high res, or she'll be saying 491 00:22:37,744 --> 00:22:39,744 Speaker 2: like Beyonce's going to do this, and Beyonce's like, mom, 492 00:22:39,744 --> 00:22:41,744 Speaker 2: I hadn't announced that yet, like she's a wild cub. 493 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:44,344 Speaker 2: But that all took a turn this week when she 494 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:46,184 Speaker 2: liked a comment did you do that? 495 00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:46,504 Speaker 1: Yep? 496 00:22:46,744 --> 00:22:51,024 Speaker 2: She liked a comment jay Z and the allegations and 497 00:22:51,024 --> 00:22:52,744 Speaker 2: then that blew up into a news story, and then 498 00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:55,464 Speaker 2: she put up an instantile saying that her account had 499 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:57,744 Speaker 2: been hacked and she didn't do it. And as we know, 500 00:22:58,064 --> 00:23:01,264 Speaker 2: anytime celebrities get called her for anything, they say they're hacked, 501 00:23:01,304 --> 00:23:03,224 Speaker 2: they have to. But the hacker only comes in, likes 502 00:23:03,264 --> 00:23:05,624 Speaker 2: one little comment and then leave that will show up 503 00:23:05,624 --> 00:23:10,104 Speaker 2: and then respectfully, respectfully gus the account back and doesn't 504 00:23:10,144 --> 00:23:12,424 Speaker 2: go to the DMS to see all the other celebrities 505 00:23:12,464 --> 00:23:15,944 Speaker 2: who were messaging Tinaoles and anyway, that's the hacker that 506 00:23:15,984 --> 00:23:17,904 Speaker 2: I wanted. And then she put up a statement saying 507 00:23:17,944 --> 00:23:19,704 Speaker 2: family means everything to her, and it wasn't her, it 508 00:23:19,744 --> 00:23:21,464 Speaker 2: was the hacker. So Tena and Oles was also. 509 00:23:21,264 --> 00:23:23,904 Speaker 1: There, yeah, looking like they made amends and. 510 00:23:23,824 --> 00:23:25,784 Speaker 2: They were all hugging on. The hacker was not present. 511 00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:27,624 Speaker 2: The hacker wasn't at the Gray carpet as far as 512 00:23:27,624 --> 00:23:27,824 Speaker 2: we know. 513 00:23:28,304 --> 00:23:30,504 Speaker 1: Even just seeing Beyonce and jay Z together on a 514 00:23:30,544 --> 00:23:32,544 Speaker 1: red carpet is so rare. So the fact that they 515 00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:37,184 Speaker 1: came for this massive family kind of reunion publicly was 516 00:23:37,544 --> 00:23:41,464 Speaker 1: so different. And I feel like if these allegations weren't 517 00:23:41,504 --> 00:23:44,584 Speaker 1: in place like this would still have headlines of them 518 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:47,824 Speaker 1: just being together. But it also reminded me that in 519 00:23:47,864 --> 00:23:51,624 Speaker 1: his statement that he made after he was named as 520 00:23:51,704 --> 00:23:54,704 Speaker 1: the alleged abuser, he did say, my only heartbreak is 521 00:23:54,744 --> 00:23:56,504 Speaker 1: for my family. My wife and I will have to 522 00:23:56,504 --> 00:23:58,664 Speaker 1: sit our children down, one of whom is at the 523 00:23:58,664 --> 00:24:01,224 Speaker 1: age where her friends will surely see the press and 524 00:24:01,304 --> 00:24:05,944 Speaker 1: ask questions about the nature of these claims. And I think, yeah, 525 00:24:06,024 --> 00:24:09,664 Speaker 1: just seeing them together after like all of this, and 526 00:24:09,744 --> 00:24:11,384 Speaker 1: even like it's it's so rare that they put out 527 00:24:11,424 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 1: public statement, but after like the rage and the emotion 528 00:24:14,264 --> 00:24:18,144 Speaker 1: behind that statement just seemed like a really weird thing 529 00:24:18,224 --> 00:24:18,584 Speaker 1: to do. 530 00:24:19,144 --> 00:24:20,984 Speaker 2: Yes, but I think they would have wanted to go 531 00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:23,624 Speaker 2: to this red carpet event even more so than before 532 00:24:23,744 --> 00:24:27,944 Speaker 2: because they've been so staunched in their denial that they're 533 00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:30,024 Speaker 2: involved in this for ages, and then he put out 534 00:24:30,024 --> 00:24:32,504 Speaker 2: that very emotional statement. There's this thrial anger of saying 535 00:24:32,544 --> 00:24:35,144 Speaker 2: like and involving his kids' names in the statement and everything. 536 00:24:35,304 --> 00:24:38,104 Speaker 2: There's this real sense that from jay Z, at least, 537 00:24:38,104 --> 00:24:40,984 Speaker 2: whether his team's telling him this or not, that they 538 00:24:41,184 --> 00:24:43,624 Speaker 2: really want to be like, we're completely innocent, where a 539 00:24:43,624 --> 00:24:46,744 Speaker 2: happy family, We're a successful, perfect family, and kind of 540 00:24:46,784 --> 00:24:49,144 Speaker 2: look at us, and even the way they were standing 541 00:24:49,184 --> 00:24:50,904 Speaker 2: on the red carpet. I mean, maybe she's reading too 542 00:24:50,984 --> 00:24:52,744 Speaker 2: much into it, but there's been a lot of chat 543 00:24:52,744 --> 00:24:55,864 Speaker 2: that like Beyonce rarely smiles. She usually does the whole 544 00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:58,304 Speaker 2: kind of like the smolder. That's her signature look, and 545 00:24:58,344 --> 00:25:00,464 Speaker 2: she's really smiling into the camera. But also it's her 546 00:25:00,504 --> 00:25:01,824 Speaker 2: daughter's premiere, so I don't know if we should read 547 00:25:01,864 --> 00:25:03,984 Speaker 2: too much of that. And then they're all hugging, like 548 00:25:04,064 --> 00:25:07,824 Speaker 2: Tina's hugging jay Z, They're all hugging Blue Ivy, they're laughing, 549 00:25:07,824 --> 00:25:10,744 Speaker 2: they're smiling. It's just it's very kind of a staunch, 550 00:25:10,824 --> 00:25:13,744 Speaker 2: like we're a happy family, and people were pointing out 551 00:25:13,784 --> 00:25:16,304 Speaker 2: like that, it did feel very daring. After there were 552 00:25:16,304 --> 00:25:19,064 Speaker 2: accusations that he raped a thirteen year old, and obviously 553 00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:21,544 Speaker 2: only accusations at this stage, but the comment to go 554 00:25:21,624 --> 00:25:25,024 Speaker 2: to a children's movie premiere, fifty cent got involved, who 555 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:29,424 Speaker 2: notoriously does not like him at all, and he did 556 00:25:29,464 --> 00:25:31,664 Speaker 2: delete this statement afterwards, but he put up a photo 557 00:25:32,024 --> 00:25:34,304 Speaker 2: of jay Z, Beyonce, and Blue Ivy at the event 558 00:25:34,344 --> 00:25:36,904 Speaker 2: on his Instagram account. This is when some celebrities in 559 00:25:36,944 --> 00:25:38,344 Speaker 2: the Instagram take it away because he put up a 560 00:25:38,344 --> 00:25:41,304 Speaker 2: photo and he wrote, jay really said I raped a kid. 561 00:25:41,344 --> 00:25:43,904 Speaker 2: Everybody get dressed and go seem a fastera lull and 562 00:25:43,944 --> 00:25:45,784 Speaker 2: people were like, this is too far. But also that 563 00:25:45,784 --> 00:25:47,264 Speaker 2: felt like the vibe, like it felt like a very 564 00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:50,184 Speaker 2: jovial kind of event following such an accusation. Fifty Cent 565 00:25:50,224 --> 00:25:52,104 Speaker 2: obviously deleted that, which was the correct thing to do. 566 00:25:52,664 --> 00:25:56,424 Speaker 1: Fifty Cent, the amount of dirt this man has on 567 00:25:56,544 --> 00:25:59,904 Speaker 1: so many people. He yeah, he is. 568 00:26:00,984 --> 00:26:03,304 Speaker 2: He's been saying it for years and now people are 569 00:26:03,384 --> 00:26:03,984 Speaker 2: listening more. 570 00:26:04,024 --> 00:26:07,224 Speaker 1: He's literally been shot and like he's just like, you 571 00:26:07,264 --> 00:26:09,184 Speaker 1: know what, you do something wrong, I'm calling you out 572 00:26:09,224 --> 00:26:09,384 Speaker 1: for it. 573 00:26:09,584 --> 00:26:11,944 Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was a wild time. And then as 574 00:26:12,064 --> 00:26:14,064 Speaker 2: jay Z and Beyonce were like leaving the right carpet, 575 00:26:14,104 --> 00:26:16,144 Speaker 2: so they didn't do any press. I don't even know 576 00:26:16,144 --> 00:26:18,424 Speaker 2: if Blue Ivy did that much, to be honest, and 577 00:26:18,464 --> 00:26:20,624 Speaker 2: normally I feel like you would be doing a huge 578 00:26:20,624 --> 00:26:22,664 Speaker 2: amount of press for your first big feature film role 579 00:26:22,744 --> 00:26:22,944 Speaker 2: like this. 580 00:26:23,504 --> 00:26:26,344 Speaker 1: I do think they're quite protective of her. Yeah, and 581 00:26:26,464 --> 00:26:28,384 Speaker 1: not just in the sense of everything that's happening now, 582 00:26:28,384 --> 00:26:30,784 Speaker 1: but right from the beginning, like even when she was 583 00:26:30,864 --> 00:26:34,224 Speaker 1: performing with Beyonce, like that was very private and like 584 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:37,464 Speaker 1: her rehearsals and stuff, and like the conversation she was 585 00:26:37,504 --> 00:26:40,024 Speaker 1: having with her mom. I think the only comparison we 586 00:26:40,064 --> 00:26:43,624 Speaker 1: do have is North and Kim. Yeah, and like even 587 00:26:43,664 --> 00:26:45,864 Speaker 1: I like, I automatically assume that when you see North 588 00:26:45,864 --> 00:26:48,064 Speaker 1: and Kim, because it's such a public relationship that I 589 00:26:48,104 --> 00:26:51,984 Speaker 1: automatically assume that all celebrity women with their children are 590 00:26:52,064 --> 00:26:54,424 Speaker 1: kind of like that. And I think Blue and Beyonce 591 00:26:54,544 --> 00:26:58,304 Speaker 1: have a much more private, quote unquote normal relationship. 592 00:26:58,664 --> 00:27:00,784 Speaker 2: I just think also there's always been such an intense 593 00:27:00,784 --> 00:27:02,584 Speaker 2: spotlight on that kid. I mean, look how much we 594 00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:04,224 Speaker 2: know about her, and I don't even see they seek 595 00:27:04,224 --> 00:27:04,704 Speaker 2: that in from it. 596 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,704 Speaker 1: She was born, like the amount of people who was 597 00:27:07,984 --> 00:27:09,904 Speaker 1: born when she even Like what people are saying about 598 00:27:09,944 --> 00:27:12,704 Speaker 1: her look and her face as like literally a toddler, 599 00:27:12,904 --> 00:27:16,464 Speaker 1: it's just absolutely disgusting and vile, and it hasn't ended. 600 00:27:16,584 --> 00:27:18,664 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like even now, Like if you read some 601 00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:20,504 Speaker 1: of the comments on like what people are saying about 602 00:27:20,584 --> 00:27:23,824 Speaker 1: how she looks about at this premiere, it's disgusting. 603 00:27:23,904 --> 00:27:26,024 Speaker 2: Well, there was so much backlash when she first started 604 00:27:26,064 --> 00:27:28,624 Speaker 2: performing with Beyonce too, because people were saying her dancing 605 00:27:28,664 --> 00:27:31,024 Speaker 2: wasn't to scratch. She was bad. Look at her next 606 00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,144 Speaker 2: to her mother. She's not up to scratch of like 607 00:27:33,384 --> 00:27:36,464 Speaker 2: where she should be. And there was talked about later 608 00:27:36,504 --> 00:27:38,464 Speaker 2: that all that information got back to Blue, and so 609 00:27:38,544 --> 00:27:40,664 Speaker 2: there's videos of her like practicing her dance and stuff 610 00:27:40,664 --> 00:27:43,184 Speaker 2: to kind of like push back against what people are saying, 611 00:27:43,224 --> 00:27:45,544 Speaker 2: like that's a lot for a child. And also as 612 00:27:45,584 --> 00:27:47,184 Speaker 2: they were kind of walking out of the premiere, you 613 00:27:47,184 --> 00:27:49,264 Speaker 2: could see like Beyonce and jay Z were they weren't 614 00:27:49,264 --> 00:27:51,704 Speaker 2: answering any questions that were being yelled at from the crowd, 615 00:27:51,744 --> 00:27:53,824 Speaker 2: but anytime anyone said anything about Blue, they would just 616 00:27:53,904 --> 00:27:56,224 Speaker 2: yell out, we're so proud, we're so happy, which is 617 00:27:56,224 --> 00:27:57,744 Speaker 2: what parents would say. But it's like they were trying 618 00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,264 Speaker 2: to like stay on script and nail it down. And 619 00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:02,784 Speaker 2: obviously they've had to put like a publicity plan in 620 00:28:02,824 --> 00:28:05,944 Speaker 2: place because now this move Faster movie's coming out and 621 00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:08,864 Speaker 2: that's huge and so many people love this franchise. Like 622 00:28:09,064 --> 00:28:12,064 Speaker 2: people loved the Life Action Lion King. They obviously love 623 00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:14,304 Speaker 2: the original lay love the music, they love the musical, 624 00:28:15,024 --> 00:28:17,304 Speaker 2: so like there's this is like a huge thing for people, 625 00:28:17,464 --> 00:28:18,304 Speaker 2: and they didn't. 626 00:28:18,104 --> 00:28:20,184 Speaker 1: Love Northwest when she performed, but that's neither here. 627 00:28:20,784 --> 00:28:22,904 Speaker 2: Celebrity kids getting involved in the Lion King doesn't any well, 628 00:28:22,984 --> 00:28:25,984 Speaker 2: does it. And I wonder now if like maybe she 629 00:28:26,144 --> 00:28:27,624 Speaker 2: was meant to be doing press. I don't know, we 630 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,584 Speaker 2: didn't get that invitation to interview her, but I wonder 631 00:28:30,624 --> 00:28:32,784 Speaker 2: if they'll be sort of pulling back on that. But 632 00:28:32,944 --> 00:28:35,264 Speaker 2: there is a lot of publicy for the family coming up. 633 00:28:35,344 --> 00:28:38,504 Speaker 2: So one is that Beyonce is performing at the halftime 634 00:28:38,624 --> 00:28:41,024 Speaker 2: show between the I don't know, you know, I don't 635 00:28:41,024 --> 00:28:44,264 Speaker 2: know football the Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens. 636 00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:46,184 Speaker 1: I think that's like on Boxing Day. Yeah, and it's 637 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:48,384 Speaker 1: going to be It's Christmas Day and they are going 638 00:28:48,424 --> 00:28:49,864 Speaker 1: to be live streamed on Netflix. 639 00:28:50,024 --> 00:28:51,584 Speaker 2: Yes, It's gonna be live streamed on Netflix. It's so 640 00:28:51,584 --> 00:28:53,344 Speaker 2: funny's talking to Netflix team the other day and asking 641 00:28:53,344 --> 00:28:55,264 Speaker 2: them what big things I had coming up, and they said, 642 00:28:55,264 --> 00:28:57,024 Speaker 2: somebody at the game, and I'm like, drew blank and 643 00:28:57,064 --> 00:29:00,424 Speaker 2: then I said, oh, the Beyonce concept beyond yes, which 644 00:29:00,464 --> 00:29:03,144 Speaker 2: is obviously a huge deal because it's the first time 645 00:29:03,504 --> 00:29:06,184 Speaker 2: that she'll be doing like a really big performance like 646 00:29:06,224 --> 00:29:08,024 Speaker 2: this in quite a while. It's the first time that 647 00:29:08,064 --> 00:29:10,944 Speaker 2: she'll be playing some different songs from Cowboy Carter, And 648 00:29:10,984 --> 00:29:13,424 Speaker 2: there's so much like build up, and it's such a 649 00:29:13,504 --> 00:29:16,264 Speaker 2: huge thing, especially in America, Like the whole holiday season 650 00:29:16,344 --> 00:29:18,584 Speaker 2: is built around things like this, and the halftime show 651 00:29:19,104 --> 00:29:21,584 Speaker 2: is like the pinnacle of that. And then normally the 652 00:29:21,624 --> 00:29:23,704 Speaker 2: person who's doing that will do like pressing the lead 653 00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:25,984 Speaker 2: up to it. Whether Beyonce would do that or not 654 00:29:26,024 --> 00:29:28,584 Speaker 2: because she's Beyonce, you know, even without the allegations would 655 00:29:28,584 --> 00:29:30,624 Speaker 2: be hard to say. But there's going to be so 656 00:29:30,664 --> 00:29:33,024 Speaker 2: many eyes on her and her family, like does she 657 00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:36,064 Speaker 2: have her family their courtside like she normally would, field 658 00:29:36,104 --> 00:29:38,944 Speaker 2: side like she normally would all that sort of stuff, 659 00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:42,624 Speaker 2: because now there's this extra kind of layer of publicity 660 00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:45,304 Speaker 2: around them. But if they stick to their current plan, 661 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:48,264 Speaker 2: it seems like they'll be going everywhere as a family together, smiling, 662 00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,584 Speaker 2: and then coming up in February, which is from the 663 00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:55,224 Speaker 2: timeline we know because we know that Sean Combs's trial 664 00:29:55,344 --> 00:29:58,304 Speaker 2: is going to start in May, and because jay Z's 665 00:29:58,344 --> 00:30:00,864 Speaker 2: allegations are part of that, it's kind of thought that 666 00:30:00,864 --> 00:30:02,704 Speaker 2: his will be around like that will be around them 667 00:30:02,744 --> 00:30:06,584 Speaker 2: as well. But then we also have the Grammys in February, 668 00:30:07,144 --> 00:30:09,704 Speaker 2: which is going to be which should be one of 669 00:30:09,704 --> 00:30:11,744 Speaker 2: the biggest nights of Beyonce's career ever. 670 00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:15,704 Speaker 1: We've talked about how important this Grammys is for Beyonce 671 00:30:16,024 --> 00:30:19,544 Speaker 1: because she released that album Cowboy Kater. It's a country 672 00:30:19,584 --> 00:30:23,224 Speaker 1: album that famously didn't get nominated for any country music awards. 673 00:30:23,344 --> 00:30:25,264 Speaker 1: So we were like, oh my god, we hope it 674 00:30:25,264 --> 00:30:28,464 Speaker 1: gets nominated for Grammys because like she pretty much made 675 00:30:28,464 --> 00:30:31,424 Speaker 1: this album. It's been theorized as like a clapback for 676 00:30:31,544 --> 00:30:33,464 Speaker 1: not winning the Grammys that she's been nominated. 677 00:30:33,504 --> 00:30:36,624 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and so this time around she has eleven nominations, 678 00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,264 Speaker 2: making her the most nominated artist of the night, but 679 00:30:39,304 --> 00:30:42,024 Speaker 2: it also means that she has ninety nine nominations overall, 680 00:30:42,024 --> 00:30:44,784 Speaker 2: which makes her the most nominated artist ever. And it's 681 00:30:44,784 --> 00:30:45,104 Speaker 2: also I. 682 00:30:45,064 --> 00:30:47,104 Speaker 1: Think she's only one thirty two. 683 00:30:46,664 --> 00:30:48,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's always missed out on like the big 684 00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:50,704 Speaker 2: ones and so the Album of the Year, Yeah, and 685 00:30:50,744 --> 00:30:52,704 Speaker 2: this is the year that everyone's like, it's all gonna happen. 686 00:30:52,744 --> 00:30:54,584 Speaker 2: It's gonna be like, not just it's gonna be one 687 00:30:54,584 --> 00:30:56,584 Speaker 2: of those times where you don't just win for this album, 688 00:30:56,624 --> 00:30:59,024 Speaker 2: you win for your career. All the big Awards. So 689 00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:02,224 Speaker 2: she's gonna be walking the Grammys red carpet, assuming she'll 690 00:31:02,224 --> 00:31:04,464 Speaker 2: have her family there for that big night, getting up 691 00:31:04,464 --> 00:31:08,144 Speaker 2: on stage multiple times and doing speeches and talking about 692 00:31:08,144 --> 00:31:09,704 Speaker 2: her career, and she'll talk about jay Z because they 693 00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:11,824 Speaker 2: always talk about it when they're on stage, especially at 694 00:31:11,824 --> 00:31:14,584 Speaker 2: the Grammys when he calls them out and she thanks 695 00:31:14,624 --> 00:31:18,104 Speaker 2: him with Blue Ivy again, exactly knowing that these allegations 696 00:31:18,184 --> 00:31:21,704 Speaker 2: are still hanging over them, and they're such horrific allegations 697 00:31:21,744 --> 00:31:24,304 Speaker 2: as well. It's a very messy time, but it feels 698 00:31:24,304 --> 00:31:26,064 Speaker 2: like they've decided on a PR plan that's going to 699 00:31:26,064 --> 00:31:26,544 Speaker 2: stick to it. 700 00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:29,104 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll have the best PR plan in the business. 701 00:31:29,224 --> 00:31:32,344 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I also need to talk about 702 00:31:32,384 --> 00:31:35,304 Speaker 1: like the massive fan base they have, Like even now 703 00:31:35,344 --> 00:31:38,024 Speaker 1: after all of this, there are just so many people 704 00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:39,784 Speaker 1: who are like, this will blow over, this will blow 705 00:31:39,784 --> 00:31:41,704 Speaker 1: over them, and I'm like, I don't think it will. 706 00:31:41,864 --> 00:31:44,024 Speaker 2: But it's been so much about them has been bubbling 707 00:31:44,064 --> 00:31:45,624 Speaker 2: away for such a long time too, Like I don't 708 00:31:45,624 --> 00:31:48,664 Speaker 2: want to get too much into the awful rumors and stuff, 709 00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:51,224 Speaker 2: but one that has really resurfaced this week is that 710 00:31:51,624 --> 00:31:54,384 Speaker 2: because jay Z's twelve years older than Beyonce. I think 711 00:31:54,624 --> 00:31:56,424 Speaker 2: she's given interviews about it where she said she was 712 00:31:56,464 --> 00:31:59,744 Speaker 2: eighteen when they met and nineteen when they started dating, 713 00:32:00,224 --> 00:32:01,984 Speaker 2: and she always said that her rule was not to 714 00:32:01,984 --> 00:32:04,784 Speaker 2: get married before the age of twenty five because you 715 00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:06,504 Speaker 2: don't really know who you are, which is also just 716 00:32:06,544 --> 00:32:09,064 Speaker 2: really good advice in general. I think, just any life decision, 717 00:32:09,064 --> 00:32:12,304 Speaker 2: I would say thirty five, yees, I say forty, I'm 718 00:32:12,304 --> 00:32:16,144 Speaker 2: still a child. But then timelines have come out, especially 719 00:32:16,144 --> 00:32:18,824 Speaker 2: this week, in different stories where jay Z has said 720 00:32:18,864 --> 00:32:21,584 Speaker 2: things like about knowing about her when she was sixteen 721 00:32:21,624 --> 00:32:25,504 Speaker 2: and fifteen and maybe they crossed paths then, and they 722 00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:27,504 Speaker 2: have sort of skirted around that in the past. It's 723 00:32:27,504 --> 00:32:28,824 Speaker 2: one of those things where like people are just really 724 00:32:28,904 --> 00:32:30,904 Speaker 2: latching onto that story, like we won't ever know. But 725 00:32:31,104 --> 00:32:34,024 Speaker 2: the accusation out there at the moment is that jay Z, 726 00:32:34,064 --> 00:32:36,344 Speaker 2: who's twelve years older than her, started kind. 727 00:32:36,184 --> 00:32:39,344 Speaker 1: Of even nineteen thirty one is a bit that is 728 00:32:39,384 --> 00:32:41,824 Speaker 1: a bit shit. She's a one year old adult. 729 00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:45,424 Speaker 2: And you're a man in your thirties, Like it is 730 00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:46,984 Speaker 2: a bit I mean, but we've always known that there's 731 00:32:46,984 --> 00:32:49,064 Speaker 2: so many celebrities with those kind of big age gaps 732 00:32:49,264 --> 00:32:51,664 Speaker 2: that we just look the other way with, but also 733 00:32:51,784 --> 00:32:53,584 Speaker 2: just I guess the power and balance of how powerful 734 00:32:53,624 --> 00:32:55,584 Speaker 2: he was, but also she was a superstar then. I 735 00:32:55,624 --> 00:32:58,584 Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just saying their official story is that 736 00:32:58,664 --> 00:33:02,264 Speaker 2: they met at eighteen, started dating at nineteen, whereas a 737 00:33:02,264 --> 00:33:04,624 Speaker 2: lot of people looking back at the timeline and times 738 00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:06,864 Speaker 2: and they would have crossed over would have been when 739 00:33:06,864 --> 00:33:09,504 Speaker 2: she was sixteen, and they've skirted around it before. There's 740 00:33:09,504 --> 00:33:11,504 Speaker 2: an interview of them saying like, oh, like maybe we 741 00:33:11,624 --> 00:33:14,184 Speaker 2: cross paths at an award show when she was sixteen, but 742 00:33:14,224 --> 00:33:16,344 Speaker 2: we didn't meet, so there's not actual footage of it. 743 00:33:16,504 --> 00:33:18,584 Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is now people and obviously there's 744 00:33:18,624 --> 00:33:21,864 Speaker 2: been allegations of him cheating on her multiple times. She's 745 00:33:21,864 --> 00:33:23,064 Speaker 2: always a whole album. 746 00:33:22,824 --> 00:33:26,864 Speaker 1: About Lemona the best visual album according to Adele. Yeah. No, 747 00:33:26,944 --> 00:33:31,184 Speaker 1: it was a brilliant album. But but that's always a case, right, 748 00:33:31,304 --> 00:33:34,184 Speaker 1: like every celebrity, if one thing comes out about them 749 00:33:34,584 --> 00:33:38,904 Speaker 1: that's like so shocking, so horrific, everything gets resurfaced. 750 00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:42,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always been this kind of like faint murmur 751 00:33:42,144 --> 00:33:44,024 Speaker 2: in the background, or sometimes it would like bubble to 752 00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:46,464 Speaker 2: the surface a bit more about the fact that he 753 00:33:46,584 --> 00:33:50,224 Speaker 2: was potentially like allegedly predatory around her, that he then 754 00:33:50,304 --> 00:33:52,704 Speaker 2: treated her badly, that he had cheated on her, but 755 00:33:52,744 --> 00:33:54,464 Speaker 2: it was always kind of washed away by just like 756 00:33:54,504 --> 00:33:57,184 Speaker 2: the overall power and love that someone like Beyonce has 757 00:33:57,224 --> 00:33:59,584 Speaker 2: as one of the greatest artists of all time, and 758 00:34:00,024 --> 00:34:02,424 Speaker 2: her just like always leaning into this thing of like, 759 00:34:02,704 --> 00:34:06,104 Speaker 2: I love him, We're amazing, I'm missus Carter, that's it. 760 00:34:06,424 --> 00:34:09,064 Speaker 2: And even like the footage that came out of her 761 00:34:09,064 --> 00:34:13,264 Speaker 2: sister like beating him in the elevator elevator, yeah, and 762 00:34:13,304 --> 00:34:15,784 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, and everyone's like that was 763 00:34:15,824 --> 00:34:17,584 Speaker 2: one hundred percent link to him cheating, and then we 764 00:34:17,624 --> 00:34:19,464 Speaker 2: found out he actually did cheat on her, But it's 765 00:34:19,504 --> 00:34:21,184 Speaker 2: all they've kind of been able to just push it 766 00:34:21,224 --> 00:34:23,544 Speaker 2: all away because of how private they are and how 767 00:34:23,584 --> 00:34:25,424 Speaker 2: beloved she is. But I feel like this has just 768 00:34:25,504 --> 00:34:27,184 Speaker 2: really set people off and they're just going to keep 769 00:34:27,184 --> 00:34:30,104 Speaker 2: digging and there's just going to be more more allegations 770 00:34:30,144 --> 00:34:30,544 Speaker 2: coming out. 771 00:34:30,664 --> 00:34:32,744 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 772 00:34:32,784 --> 00:34:34,664 Speaker 1: If you want more from us, you can always follow 773 00:34:34,744 --> 00:34:37,264 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at The Spill Podcast and we will 774 00:34:37,264 --> 00:34:39,944 Speaker 1: be back here in your podcast speed at three pm tomorrow, 775 00:34:40,024 --> 00:34:40,864 Speaker 1: Bye Bye 776 00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:45,984 Speaker 2: La,