1
00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,414
Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges the

2
00:00:15,414 --> 00:00:18,294
Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is

3
00:00:18,334 --> 00:00:19,054
Speaker 1: recorded on.

4
00:00:20,174 --> 00:00:23,574
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily

5
00:00:23,614 --> 00:00:25,334
Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie.

6
00:00:25,414 --> 00:00:30,174
Speaker 3: We express our profound alarm and distress at the IPC.

7
00:00:30,414 --> 00:00:35,294
Speaker 3: THEATA on Gaza published last Friday. It clearly and on

8
00:00:35,494 --> 00:00:39,334
Speaker 3: equivocally confirms famine in the Gaza govern It.

9
00:00:40,134 --> 00:00:43,614
Speaker 2: In a rare moment of almost total unity, nearly every

10
00:00:43,694 --> 00:00:47,214
Speaker 2: member of the United Nations Security Council has declared the

11
00:00:47,254 --> 00:00:50,774
Speaker 2: famine Gaza a man made crisis. But what does this

12
00:00:50,934 --> 00:00:55,294
Speaker 2: joint statement actually mean? Plus, a triple murderer has just

13
00:00:55,414 --> 00:00:58,574
Speaker 2: had a major win, now allowed to appeal their three

14
00:00:58,694 --> 00:01:02,334
Speaker 2: life sentences. Before we get there, here's Ailish Delaney with

15
00:01:02,374 --> 00:01:08,774
Speaker 2: the latest from the Quicki newsroom. For Friday, August twenty nine.

16
00:01:07,974 --> 00:01:11,214
Speaker 4: Police will scour on mine caves and dugouts for a

17
00:01:11,214 --> 00:01:14,374
Speaker 4: fugitive accused of shooting two of their own dead as

18
00:01:14,454 --> 00:01:18,694
Speaker 4: conditions deteriorate for the man hunt's fourth day. Desi Freeman,

19
00:01:18,934 --> 00:01:22,534
Speaker 4: also known as Desmond Philby, fled into Bushland after he

20
00:01:22,654 --> 00:01:27,094
Speaker 4: allegedly killed detective leading Senior Constable Neil Thompson and Senior

21
00:01:27,134 --> 00:01:30,334
Speaker 4: Constable Vadim de Wart at a poorer punker property in

22
00:01:30,414 --> 00:01:34,854
Speaker 4: Regional Victoria. Another wounded officer is expected to recover after

23
00:01:34,974 --> 00:01:39,494
Speaker 4: undergoing surgery. Police say every available asset is being deployed

24
00:01:39,534 --> 00:01:42,654
Speaker 4: on the ground to apprehend freeman, but admit the terran

25
00:01:42,814 --> 00:01:45,974
Speaker 4: is difficult and dangerous, where the conditions on the ground

26
00:01:46,054 --> 00:01:49,774
Speaker 4: are forecast to deteriorate on Friday as showers laced with

27
00:01:49,854 --> 00:01:54,374
Speaker 4: hail and thunderstorms pass through. Anyone assisting Freeman is urged

28
00:01:54,414 --> 00:01:58,334
Speaker 4: to reconsider all risk serious punishment, while the accused gunman

29
00:01:58,414 --> 00:02:02,654
Speaker 4: himself has been urged to surrender. Australia's leaders are hitting

30
00:02:02,694 --> 00:02:06,254
Speaker 4: out at planned anti immigration rallies across the country as

31
00:02:06,374 --> 00:02:10,534
Speaker 4: non white ethnic groups fear being targeted much for Australia.

32
00:02:10,654 --> 00:02:14,134
Speaker 4: A group linked to white nationalist ideology plans to hold

33
00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:17,934
Speaker 4: gatherings in every capital city on Sunday. The ideology claims

34
00:02:17,974 --> 00:02:21,254
Speaker 4: people of European ancestry are being replaced en mass by

35
00:02:21,294 --> 00:02:24,974
Speaker 4: migrants from other ethnic groups. The federal government declared there

36
00:02:25,014 --> 00:02:27,614
Speaker 4: is no place for any type of hate in Australia

37
00:02:27,774 --> 00:02:31,974
Speaker 4: ahead of the protests, Matt Wright might soon learn his fate,

38
00:02:32,254 --> 00:02:35,094
Speaker 4: with the jury in the Reality TV Star Supreme Court

39
00:02:35,134 --> 00:02:39,174
Speaker 4: trial to resume deliberations. Wright has pleaded not guilty to

40
00:02:39,294 --> 00:02:42,254
Speaker 4: three charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice

41
00:02:42,414 --> 00:02:46,214
Speaker 4: following a fatal helicopter crash. The February twenty twenty two

42
00:02:46,294 --> 00:02:49,294
Speaker 4: accident killed the Outback Wrangler star's best friend and co

43
00:02:49,454 --> 00:02:54,094
Speaker 4: star Chris Willow Wilson, and left pilot Sebastian Robinson, a paraplegic.

44
00:02:54,494 --> 00:02:57,454
Speaker 4: Wright is accused of lying to crash investigators about the

45
00:02:57,494 --> 00:03:00,294
Speaker 4: amount of fuel in the helicopter, trying to get mister

46
00:03:00,414 --> 00:03:03,574
Speaker 4: Robinson to false five flying hours, and asking a friend

47
00:03:03,574 --> 00:03:07,814
Speaker 4: to torch the helicopter's maintenance release. The jury began deliberating

48
00:03:07,854 --> 00:03:12,414
Speaker 4: on Thursday afternoon. Influencer Emily Kaizar has spoken for the

49
00:03:12,454 --> 00:03:15,254
Speaker 4: first time about losing her three year old son Trigg,

50
00:03:15,534 --> 00:03:18,294
Speaker 4: in a drowning accident at her Arizona home in May.

51
00:03:18,854 --> 00:03:22,134
Speaker 4: Trigg was found unresponsive in the family's backyard pool on

52
00:03:22,174 --> 00:03:25,334
Speaker 4: May twelve and rushed to hospital, where he died six

53
00:03:25,454 --> 00:03:29,014
Speaker 4: days later. No charges were placed against Emily's husband, Brady,

54
00:03:29,054 --> 00:03:31,694
Speaker 4: who was home at the time. As officials found there

55
00:03:31,734 --> 00:03:35,494
Speaker 4: is no reasonable likelihood of conviction. Emily has been absent

56
00:03:35,534 --> 00:03:38,694
Speaker 4: from social media since the incident, but shared a statement

57
00:03:38,774 --> 00:03:41,654
Speaker 4: overnight saying one of the hardest lessons was knowing a

58
00:03:41,694 --> 00:03:45,214
Speaker 4: permanent pool fence could have saved Trigg's life. She described

59
00:03:45,214 --> 00:03:48,494
Speaker 4: Trigg as the couple's best friend, saying losing him was

60
00:03:48,574 --> 00:03:51,734
Speaker 4: a pain, heartache and void that no family should ever

61
00:03:51,814 --> 00:03:54,494
Speaker 4: have to endure, and she hopes his story will prevent

62
00:03:54,534 --> 00:03:56,774
Speaker 4: other families from suffering the same loss.

63
00:03:57,334 --> 00:04:01,174
Speaker 2: Thanks Aleish Next, the UN Security Council calls out the

64
00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:11,174
Speaker 2: man made famine in Ghazo this week, the lines have

65
00:04:11,214 --> 00:04:15,214
Speaker 2: been drawn at the highest levels of global diplomacy. In

66
00:04:15,254 --> 00:04:18,294
Speaker 2: a joint statement, fourteen of the fifteen members of the

67
00:04:18,414 --> 00:04:22,454
Speaker 2: United Nations Security Council declared that the famine devastating Gaza

68
00:04:22,534 --> 00:04:27,094
Speaker 2: right now is a man made crisis. Now only one member,

69
00:04:27,414 --> 00:04:30,894
Speaker 2: the United States, chose not to sign on. More on

70
00:04:30,934 --> 00:04:35,054
Speaker 2: that in a moment. The Security Council includes five permanent

71
00:04:35,094 --> 00:04:39,614
Speaker 2: members China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

72
00:04:40,054 --> 00:04:43,054
Speaker 2: They all have what's known as veto power, meaning any

73
00:04:43,094 --> 00:04:45,974
Speaker 2: one of them can block the adoption of any substantial

74
00:04:46,014 --> 00:04:51,054
Speaker 2: resolution regardless of how much international support it has. Alongside them,

75
00:04:51,334 --> 00:04:56,014
Speaker 2: ten rotating nations complete the Council. Together, these fifteen represent

76
00:04:56,094 --> 00:05:00,454
Speaker 2: the most powerful block in international politics, responsible for maintaining

77
00:05:00,534 --> 00:05:04,414
Speaker 2: peace and security around the world. So why is this

78
00:05:04,494 --> 00:05:08,894
Speaker 2: statement such big news? First, because the Council isn't known

79
00:05:08,974 --> 00:05:11,894
Speaker 2: for an easy agreement, especially when it comes to the

80
00:05:11,934 --> 00:05:15,934
Speaker 2: conflict in Gaza. They've also called for an immediate, unconditional

81
00:05:15,974 --> 00:05:19,894
Speaker 2: and permanent ceasefire, release of all hostages, and a massive

82
00:05:19,974 --> 00:05:24,094
Speaker 2: surge of aid to Gaza. The Integrated Food Security Phase

83
00:05:24,134 --> 00:05:28,774
Speaker 2: Classification System, also known as IPC, is a global hunger monitor.

84
00:05:29,334 --> 00:05:31,934
Speaker 2: This is where they come into the story. The IPC

85
00:05:32,174 --> 00:05:36,174
Speaker 2: says five hundred and fourteen thousand people, nearly a quarter

86
00:05:36,214 --> 00:05:40,254
Speaker 2: of Palestinians in Gaza, are experiencing famine, with projections it

87
00:05:40,294 --> 00:05:43,054
Speaker 2: could get even worse, with that number ju to rise

88
00:05:43,094 --> 00:05:46,134
Speaker 2: to six hundred and forty one thousand by the end

89
00:05:46,174 --> 00:05:50,974
Speaker 2: of September. Israel has asked the monitor to retract that assessment.

90
00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:55,694
Speaker 2: International law strictly prohibits the use of starvation as a weapon,

91
00:05:56,094 --> 00:06:00,494
Speaker 2: making the Council statement a direct rebuke to current military tactics.

92
00:06:01,454 --> 00:06:04,374
Speaker 2: If everyone else is in agreement, then why is the

93
00:06:04,454 --> 00:06:08,294
Speaker 2: United States the outlier. During a Security Council meeting earlier

94
00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:11,614
Speaker 2: this week, Acting US Ambassador to the UN, Dorothy Shay,

95
00:06:11,894 --> 00:06:16,334
Speaker 2: challenged the credibility and integrity of the IPC report, stating

96
00:06:16,414 --> 00:06:18,174
Speaker 2: it fails on both fronts.

97
00:06:18,494 --> 00:06:21,334
Speaker 5: We all recognize that hunger is a real issue in

98
00:06:21,334 --> 00:06:25,854
Speaker 5: Gaza and that there are significant humanitarian needs which must

99
00:06:26,014 --> 00:06:30,134
Speaker 5: be met. Addressing those needs is a priority for the

100
00:06:30,214 --> 00:06:35,574
Speaker 5: United States. However, we can only solve problems with credibility

101
00:06:35,614 --> 00:06:36,414
Speaker 5: and integrity.

102
00:06:39,894 --> 00:06:43,374
Speaker 2: Triple murderer Sef Gonzales has had some success in court

103
00:06:43,414 --> 00:06:46,134
Speaker 2: this week, opening the door for him to appeal his

104
00:06:46,214 --> 00:06:49,614
Speaker 2: life sentence over the deaths of his father, mother, and

105
00:06:49,774 --> 00:06:53,614
Speaker 2: sister more than twenty years ago. Claire Murphy has more.

106
00:06:54,814 --> 00:06:57,494
Speaker 1: In July two thousand and one, police took a call

107
00:06:57,574 --> 00:07:00,774
Speaker 1: from twenty year old Sef Gonzales. He told them that

108
00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:03,054
Speaker 1: he'd returned to his family's home in North Ryde in

109
00:07:03,094 --> 00:07:06,774
Speaker 1: Sydney to find his entire family had been murdered. They

110
00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:09,734
Speaker 1: didn't immediately look at the baby face surviving family only

111
00:07:09,774 --> 00:07:12,414
Speaker 1: member as an initial suspect, but it wouldn't take them

112
00:07:12,454 --> 00:07:14,974
Speaker 1: long to unravel the web of lies the son of

113
00:07:14,974 --> 00:07:18,774
Speaker 1: the successful immigrant family had created. On the day in question,

114
00:07:19,094 --> 00:07:21,454
Speaker 1: Sef had been out with a friend, making sure to

115
00:07:21,494 --> 00:07:24,774
Speaker 1: be seen in CCTV camera footage, out to dinner and

116
00:07:24,814 --> 00:07:28,014
Speaker 1: that at a gaming arcade. He told police that he'd

117
00:07:28,094 --> 00:07:30,894
Speaker 1: arrived home later that night to find his father, Teddy,

118
00:07:31,094 --> 00:07:34,774
Speaker 1: laying in the entryway suffering multiple stab wounds. In fact,

119
00:07:34,894 --> 00:07:37,894
Speaker 1: there was so much blood he initially thought they'd been shot.

120
00:07:38,574 --> 00:07:40,654
Speaker 1: His mother, Loiv was in the loundroom next to the

121
00:07:40,654 --> 00:07:44,294
Speaker 1: coffee table. She too was covered in blood. His eighteen

122
00:07:44,374 --> 00:07:47,414
Speaker 1: year old sister, Claudine, who was home from studying in Melbourne,

123
00:07:47,734 --> 00:07:50,494
Speaker 1: was in her bedroom, her body curled into a fetal

124
00:07:50,534 --> 00:07:53,934
Speaker 1: position and covered with a red coat. She too had

125
00:07:53,934 --> 00:07:56,534
Speaker 1: been stabbed, but she had also been beaten with a

126
00:07:56,534 --> 00:07:59,774
Speaker 1: baseball bat and had suffered a skull fracture. She had

127
00:07:59,774 --> 00:08:04,334
Speaker 1: also been strangled. Sef claimed that he'd attempted to revive

128
00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:07,214
Speaker 1: them by performing CPR, even trying to tend to his

129
00:08:07,254 --> 00:08:10,654
Speaker 1: sister's wounds, but police noted that he had only a

130
00:08:10,694 --> 00:08:13,214
Speaker 1: tiny bit of blood on one sleeve of his top.

131
00:08:13,774 --> 00:08:17,894
Speaker 1: There was also a small blue stain while wardrobes had

132
00:08:17,934 --> 00:08:20,694
Speaker 1: been opened and seemed to have been rifled through, nothing

133
00:08:20,694 --> 00:08:23,454
Speaker 1: had been stolen. The fly screen over the kitchen bench

134
00:08:23,494 --> 00:08:25,694
Speaker 1: had been slashed, but there were no footprints on the

135
00:08:25,734 --> 00:08:30,214
Speaker 1: counter or outside the window. There was racist graffiti on

136
00:08:30,214 --> 00:08:31,894
Speaker 1: the wall of one of the rooms in the house

137
00:08:32,254 --> 00:08:36,214
Speaker 1: in a familiar shade of blue spray paint. There was

138
00:08:36,254 --> 00:08:38,854
Speaker 1: fresh water on the floor of the shower someone had

139
00:08:38,934 --> 00:08:41,854
Speaker 1: washed themselves, and there were shoe prints of a size

140
00:08:41,894 --> 00:08:44,974
Speaker 1: seven UK brand of sneaker in the blood, which matched

141
00:08:44,974 --> 00:08:48,894
Speaker 1: a box in Sef's wardrobe. The funeral for Teddy, Leeuv

142
00:08:49,054 --> 00:08:52,334
Speaker 1: and Cloudine Gonzalez was held on July twenty, two thousand

143
00:08:52,374 --> 00:08:55,734
Speaker 1: and one. The family was a little taken aback when

144
00:08:55,774 --> 00:08:58,654
Speaker 1: Seph himself stood up and sang an a capella version

145
00:08:58,694 --> 00:09:02,174
Speaker 1: of One Sweet Day. He shed no tears and showed

146
00:09:02,174 --> 00:09:07,294
Speaker 1: no emotion. The investigation into Sef Gonzalez took an entire year.

147
00:09:07,894 --> 00:09:11,094
Speaker 1: After ruling out potential payback due to Teddy's business dealings

148
00:09:11,174 --> 00:09:14,654
Speaker 1: and the hate crime angle, police turned their attention to Cef.

149
00:09:15,454 --> 00:09:17,894
Speaker 1: At the time of the murders, he'd been studying medicine

150
00:09:17,894 --> 00:09:20,734
Speaker 1: at Macquarie University, but while he told his parents he

151
00:09:20,814 --> 00:09:25,254
Speaker 1: was excelling, the truth was he was failing. His friends

152
00:09:25,294 --> 00:09:28,494
Speaker 1: described him as one to tell toll tales about his exploits.

153
00:09:28,854 --> 00:09:31,574
Speaker 1: He told them he was a taekwondo expert, that he

154
00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:35,454
Speaker 1: owned a security company, owned property, was regularly traveling to

155
00:09:35,494 --> 00:09:38,094
Speaker 1: the US to strike big deals, and that he managed

156
00:09:38,094 --> 00:09:40,974
Speaker 1: a boy band and was a singer himself. He told

157
00:09:41,014 --> 00:09:44,414
Speaker 1: them he had a modeling contract, was a world champion kickboxer,

158
00:09:44,454 --> 00:09:47,174
Speaker 1: and a lawyer. He also told some that he was

159
00:09:47,214 --> 00:09:51,134
Speaker 1: dealing with a cancer diagnosis. All of this was untrue

160
00:09:51,774 --> 00:09:55,734
Speaker 1: in reality. His sister Claudine had told their parents that

161
00:09:55,854 --> 00:10:00,174
Speaker 1: Sef was falsifying his university documentation and he was not

162
00:10:00,334 --> 00:10:03,574
Speaker 1: happy about it. He was worried his parents would take

163
00:10:03,574 --> 00:10:06,174
Speaker 1: away his much loved green car and that they may

164
00:10:06,294 --> 00:10:09,494
Speaker 1: in fact disinherit him. They told him that if he

165
00:10:09,534 --> 00:10:11,894
Speaker 1: he didn't study properly, he would be sent back to

166
00:10:11,894 --> 00:10:14,734
Speaker 1: the Philippines and would lose all the privileges he enjoyed

167
00:10:14,734 --> 00:10:17,374
Speaker 1: here in Australia. His mother had also warned him not

168
00:10:17,494 --> 00:10:19,934
Speaker 1: to see the girl he was interested in, threatening to

169
00:10:20,054 --> 00:10:22,814
Speaker 1: kick him out if he did. His parents had written

170
00:10:22,814 --> 00:10:26,334
Speaker 1: a will and made his grandmother the executor. In it,

171
00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:28,774
Speaker 1: it stated that if one spouse died, the other would

172
00:10:28,814 --> 00:10:32,254
Speaker 1: inherit everything. If they both died, the estate would be

173
00:10:32,294 --> 00:10:35,854
Speaker 1: split evenly between the children. In an interview with police,

174
00:10:35,934 --> 00:10:38,894
Speaker 1: supported by his aunt lay As sister Emily, he told

175
00:10:38,934 --> 00:10:41,254
Speaker 1: police that he hadn't been home during the day, but

176
00:10:41,294 --> 00:10:43,254
Speaker 1: he had sat in the driveway in his car while

177
00:10:43,294 --> 00:10:45,374
Speaker 1: it was raining for a short period of time before

178
00:10:45,454 --> 00:10:48,414
Speaker 1: driving to go see a friend. This was when his

179
00:10:48,454 --> 00:10:52,334
Speaker 1: family realized something wasn't right. Emily had tried to visit

180
00:10:52,374 --> 00:10:54,974
Speaker 1: her sister that day, saw Sef's car in the driveway

181
00:10:55,214 --> 00:10:57,654
Speaker 1: and knew that he wasn't in it. It also hadn't

182
00:10:57,694 --> 00:11:00,254
Speaker 1: been raining at the time, and no one answered the door,

183
00:11:00,494 --> 00:11:03,174
Speaker 1: but she did see something inside, but couldn't tell if

184
00:11:03,174 --> 00:11:05,014
Speaker 1: it was a person she saw through the glass in

185
00:11:05,054 --> 00:11:08,454
Speaker 1: the door or a coat rack. What she did realize

186
00:11:08,694 --> 00:11:10,654
Speaker 1: was that she couldn't hear any of her sister's six

187
00:11:10,734 --> 00:11:15,414
Speaker 1: dogs barking. Sef sold some of his family's possessions, applied

188
00:11:15,414 --> 00:11:18,654
Speaker 1: for and claimed a fifteen thousand dollar Victims of crime payout,

189
00:11:18,774 --> 00:11:21,454
Speaker 1: which he used to pay for modifications to his mum's car.

190
00:11:22,134 --> 00:11:24,574
Speaker 1: He also asked another family member for a one hundred

191
00:11:24,574 --> 00:11:27,654
Speaker 1: thousand dollar loan for life saving brain surgery that he

192
00:11:27,734 --> 00:11:31,254
Speaker 1: didn't actually need. He used the money to buy Alexis.

193
00:11:32,294 --> 00:11:35,014
Speaker 1: When it was revealed a witness, his aunt, Emily, could

194
00:11:35,014 --> 00:11:37,814
Speaker 1: disprove his alibi, he made up a new one about

195
00:11:37,854 --> 00:11:40,574
Speaker 1: taking a taxi to a brothel, but this was also

196
00:11:40,694 --> 00:11:43,614
Speaker 1: discredited by both the taxi driver and the sex worker

197
00:11:43,654 --> 00:11:47,214
Speaker 1: he claimed to have visited. Police tried everything to get

198
00:11:47,254 --> 00:11:50,054
Speaker 1: Seph to admit to the crime, even sending in undercover

199
00:11:50,134 --> 00:11:52,334
Speaker 1: police officers to try and get him to brag about

200
00:11:52,334 --> 00:11:55,374
Speaker 1: the night, but to no avail. But Seph would be

201
00:11:55,414 --> 00:11:58,774
Speaker 1: his own undoing. He provided a sketch of the crime

202
00:11:58,814 --> 00:12:01,494
Speaker 1: scene to the undercover officer with the times of death

203
00:12:01,534 --> 00:12:04,814
Speaker 1: for each of his victims, information the police had never shared.

204
00:12:05,614 --> 00:12:08,254
Speaker 1: The writing on the sketch also matched the writing on

205
00:12:08,294 --> 00:12:11,174
Speaker 1: the wall at the crime scene. His fingerprints were also

206
00:12:11,214 --> 00:12:14,254
Speaker 1: matched to letters that had been written warning food manufacturers

207
00:12:14,294 --> 00:12:17,574
Speaker 1: that their product had been poisoned. Police believe this was

208
00:12:17,574 --> 00:12:20,574
Speaker 1: to cover up a poisoning attempt on his mother, making

209
00:12:20,574 --> 00:12:23,974
Speaker 1: it look like she'd suffered food poisoning from poor factory hygiene.

210
00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:28,694
Speaker 1: They found he'd purchased several toxic plant seeds online. Loover

211
00:12:28,894 --> 00:12:32,254
Speaker 1: did end up in hospital, but recovered the discarded seeds

212
00:12:32,254 --> 00:12:36,334
Speaker 1: thrown carelessly into the garden sprouted and grew. The evidence

213
00:12:36,454 --> 00:12:40,374
Speaker 1: against Sef was mounting. He was finally arrested and charged

214
00:12:40,374 --> 00:12:43,014
Speaker 1: with three counts of murder and one of staging a burglary.

215
00:12:43,534 --> 00:12:46,494
Speaker 1: He was found guilty of all four charges on May twenty, two,

216
00:12:46,534 --> 00:12:49,774
Speaker 1: thousand and four, and sentenced to three concurrent life sentences

217
00:12:49,854 --> 00:12:53,734
Speaker 1: without the opportunity for parole. The sentencing judge concluded that

218
00:12:53,854 --> 00:12:56,734
Speaker 1: Zef wanted to inherit the family's one point five million

219
00:12:56,774 --> 00:13:00,734
Speaker 1: dollar property all to himself. In recent years, Sef has

220
00:13:00,814 --> 00:13:04,174
Speaker 1: been representing himself in bids to secure an appeal, but

221
00:13:04,294 --> 00:13:07,774
Speaker 1: has been unsuccessful until this week, when a Sydney court

222
00:13:07,854 --> 00:13:11,014
Speaker 1: gave Gonzalez, who is now forty four, the opportunity to

223
00:13:11,054 --> 00:13:15,734
Speaker 1: explore his diagnosis of PTSD after suffering sexual abuse at

224
00:13:15,774 --> 00:13:17,614
Speaker 1: the hands of a priest when he was a child.

225
00:13:18,774 --> 00:13:22,174
Speaker 1: Just As Sarah McNaughton said, while the evidence Gonzales provided

226
00:13:22,214 --> 00:13:25,014
Speaker 1: on his application was scant and that he does have

227
00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:28,494
Speaker 1: a history of falsifying alibis, she noted that it is

228
00:13:28,574 --> 00:13:32,014
Speaker 1: now well recognized that many child sexual abuse victims do

229
00:13:32,094 --> 00:13:35,774
Speaker 1: not disclose their abuse until many years later. She also

230
00:13:35,894 --> 00:13:38,974
Speaker 1: noted that while being self represented, he has little chance

231
00:13:39,054 --> 00:13:42,414
Speaker 1: of the appeal being successful considering the material he's presented

232
00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:45,054
Speaker 1: so far, ordering the case be referred to the Court

233
00:13:45,054 --> 00:13:47,614
Speaker 1: of Criminal Appeal to be dealt with as an appeal

234
00:13:47,654 --> 00:13:48,534
Speaker 1: against sentence.

235
00:13:49,414 --> 00:13:52,014
Speaker 2: To hear more about the Gonzales family murders, and an

236
00:13:52,054 --> 00:13:54,734
Speaker 2: interview with one of the detectives who oversaw the case.

237
00:13:54,934 --> 00:13:57,814
Speaker 2: Check out the episode from True Crime Conversations. You can

238
00:13:57,854 --> 00:14:00,494
Speaker 2: find it linked in the show notes. Thanks so much

239
00:14:00,534 --> 00:14:02,814
Speaker 2: for taking some time to feed your mind with us today.

240
00:14:02,814 --> 00:14:06,214
Speaker 2: The quickie is produced by Meg table Strano, Ailish Delaney,

241
00:14:06,294 --> 00:14:09,454
Speaker 2: and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.