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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill,

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Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm

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Speaker 1: m Venam And on today's show, we have a juicy

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Speaker 1: one for you today, guys, because Wenona, writer, very important actress,

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Speaker 1: her has given what wasn't a tell all interview, but

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Speaker 1: she has alluded to whice she left Hollywood for so long,

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Speaker 1: which reminded me of some intense Hollywood law of her

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Speaker 1: big falling out with a very very famous actress that

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Speaker 1: I think led to all this.

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Speaker 2: Who we're getting it all? You'll have to wait, Okay the.

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Speaker 1: Audience a m because she doesn't know I don't know

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Speaker 1: like this story. But first, I think you have a

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Speaker 1: little mid week TV recommendation for us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am using our beginning of the showtime just

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Speaker 3: for myself because I have proof that I've been doing

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Speaker 3: my homework. So if you've been a long time listening

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Speaker 3: to the Spill, you would know that Laura's watched everything

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Speaker 3: under the sun, and then she always gets so shocked

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Speaker 3: when there's something that I haven't watched.

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Speaker 1: No, I get shocked and excited for you, because then

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Speaker 1: I get excited thinking, oh my god, now this is

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Speaker 1: amazing show that you get to watch for the first time.

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Speaker 1: That's fun.

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Speaker 2: That's literally how it goes. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I've ticked off one off that list that I

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Speaker 3: can't remember. When we talked about it. It was after Logis, Yes,

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Speaker 3: after Logis, where you said that Deadlock, a TV show

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Speaker 2: And you were like, you'd love it, You'd love Deadlock.

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Speaker 2: I've watched Deadlock now, Oh and what did you think?

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Speaker 1: Did I lie to you?

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Speaker 3: I'm annoyed that I've only just watched it now because

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Speaker 3: I missed out on all this conversation that was happening

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Speaker 3: about it. Because what the hell this show was like

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Speaker 3: one of the best shows I've ever watched.

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Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing in one day.

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Speaker 1: We talked about at the time. But it's Kate McCartney

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Speaker 1: and Kate mcclennan. Who the Kates is? They know in Australia,

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Speaker 1: this famous creative comedy duo. So they created the show

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Speaker 1: which was coming off the back of them doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of comedy, but they had beat at home, both

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Speaker 1: on attorney leave or something like this. I know because

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Speaker 1: I interviewed them beforehand, and that's why I have all

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Speaker 1: this information. And they were watching all these crime dramas

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Speaker 1: the brutal death of a man, and we made it

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Speaker 1: so that's what they did and the result is just

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Speaker 2: It is so good.

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Speaker 3: It started off like I wasn't too sure in the

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Speaker 2: Like a crime drama.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, And then suddenly, like throughout the middle, I

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Speaker 2: Yes, all these men just started dying and I was like, okay.

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Speaker 3: And it's also one of those crime things where I

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Speaker 3: this is my complete theory, but it's always like women

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Speaker 2: Seat, yeah, and be like so true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Every person in that show just turns it

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Speaker 3: In Scared af So if you haven't watched Dead Lack

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Speaker 2: It is out on Prime Video.

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Speaker 3: When I started watching, the son was up and when

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Speaker 3: I finished it was very much down. So Winona Ryder

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Speaker 3: her new role in the upcoming movie Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, which

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Speaker 3: So, in the interview, she talked a lot about her career,

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Speaker 3: not only now with like Stranger things and beil juice.

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Speaker 2: Bettle juice. But I'm just gonna be saying that a lot.

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Speaker 3: But also in the past, where I want to say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was Forever tattooed on him. Do you

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Speaker 3: What I found interesting about this interview was actually kind

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Speaker 1: Oh my God, you will die. You will actually love

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Speaker 3: So she also said it was such a brilliant script

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Speaker 1: She'd had so many iconic roles, but I guess there's

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Speaker 2: I know she got so many emails off the back

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Speaker 1: I would die to know what really happens. Like, if

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Speaker 1: there's a few things in this world I really want

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Speaker 1: that script. And I guess we'll really never know the truth.

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Speaker 1: But that is a whole law. Ever since just before

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare in Love came out, those two women who were

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Speaker 1: And after that, Winona Writer did go on to make

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Speaker 1: many more movies, but her career slowly started to stall,

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Speaker 1: and that's what led to her being out of the

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Speaker 2: If you want to.

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Speaker 3: Read the entire Esquire cover story, it's so good, we

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Speaker 3: will put a link in our show notes. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for listening to the Spill today. If you

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Speaker 3: want more content from us, Canceled that's hosted by Claire

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Speaker 3: and Jesse. Stevens also did an episode on the cancelation

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Speaker 3: of Guinnipetro. It is so funny. We will put a

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Speaker 3: link to that in our show notes. Otherwise, we will

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Speaker 3: see you back here in your podcast feed at three

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Speaker 3: pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,