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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, the generations are fighting again,
Speaker 3: but this time it's about something that really matters. It's
Speaker 3: high stakes, all right, it's gym clothes. There's an argument
Speaker 3: brewing on TikTok and it is between millennials and gen
Speaker 3: z Okay again it is like the socks situation. It's
Speaker 3: the jeans all over again, but now it's about whether
Speaker 3: or not you wear tight clothes to the gym. Apparently
Speaker 3: it is a marker of your age.
Speaker 1: So so a tight clothes say you're old or not?
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, they say that you're a millennial. So I
Speaker 3: acknowledge that this is ridiculous. But millennials apparently opt for
Speaker 3: tight on tight, So think like a cropped sports brass
Speaker 3: situation or a singlet and then like shorts or tights
Speaker 3: or whatever, whereas gens.
Speaker 1: Like shorts like tight shorts.
Speaker 3: Yes, gen z, they say that what's a lot cooler
Speaker 3: is to wear something tight on the bottom and then
Speaker 3: like an oversized teeth.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, for the first time in a long time,
Speaker 2: I am young. I always wear a big, baggy T
Speaker 2: shirt and shorts to the gym. Well, apparently, Princess Diana, Yes,
Speaker 2: exactly right.
Speaker 3: It's very ninety Apparently tight on tight is very middle school,
Speaker 3: and I have no idea what that means. I want
Speaker 3: to puff a fish for a moment about gym clothes
Speaker 3: because I cannot express how bad I look at the gym.
Speaker 3: I do not own a set, and if I did,
Speaker 3: I would never be able to find two of the
Speaker 3: things at the same time. When I the absolute are
Speaker 3: I have for women walking down the street in a
Speaker 3: gym set, I just want to bow down. They're both clean,
Speaker 3: you look fabulous. Sometimes they match, Oh goodness, and I
Speaker 3: always imagine they just just arrived on their doorstep, because
Speaker 3: there's no way you do.
Speaker 1: I always like it. I'm like, that's nice to look at.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the effort you've gone to before you go
Speaker 1: for your walk or your run. I don't go to
Speaker 1: the gym, so I don't when I'm in hotels. But
Speaker 1: the good thing about exercising at home, which I've done
Speaker 1: for almost thirty years now, is that you can wear
Speaker 1: your pajamas or your underpants, and I have regularly worn both.
Speaker 3: You are the self appointed fashion cross the sports brah.
Speaker 3: What do you think about this? Do you think that
Speaker 3: wearing a set makes you look like you're a bit
Speaker 3: out of touch, like you're a milleniel.
Speaker 1: I do think this is the problem, and it's why
Speaker 1: people don't want to go to the gym, because it's
Speaker 1: a whole other layer of choices and spending and decisions
Speaker 1: and insecurity that you don't need. I mean, you need
Speaker 1: to go and do your exercise and around a bit.
Speaker 3: No place. It has no place in my gym. It
Speaker 3: is a sacred space. You can wear a potato sack.
Speaker 3: You can if you want, and they're not going to
Speaker 3: be comfortable a gym. Yeah, me too, That's my trick.
Speaker 2: I pretend I'm invisible. I'm like one of those is
Speaker 2: it mere cats to stick the heads in the sand. Yes, No,
Speaker 2: that's somebody else's sticks.
Speaker 1: I'm an ostrich. Mere cats do the opposite.
Speaker 2: They pick up or a one mate, you know, if
Speaker 2: he spotted one, but it stays completely still because it
Speaker 2: thinks you can't see it.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm like at the gym. Not a one
Speaker 1: bat does. The way it kills predators is that it
Speaker 1: runs really fast away and then it stops suddenly, and
Speaker 1: it's got such a sharp tailbone that the predator runs
Speaker 1: into its tailbone and is immediately killed.
Speaker 3: There's something very relatable about that meat.
Speaker 2: Ev is hot. She is slim with womanly curves. She
Speaker 2: looks really good in a low cut, milk made dress.
Speaker 1: I bet she'd wear tight clothes to the gym.
Speaker 2: She is married and her favorite thing about her husband
Speaker 2: is that he is obsessed with her. She likes skin care,
Speaker 2: makeup and manicures, gossip about pete millennial celebrities like Justin Bieber,
Speaker 2: and she's just stopped taking the pill. She works, but
Speaker 2: not too hard because the soft life beckons. She knows
Speaker 2: being a mum is better than being a boss. And
Speaker 2: she really doesn't like that new snow White movie even
Speaker 2: though she hasn't seen.
Speaker 1: It, because he too woke. Yes, definitely too woke. Evie
Speaker 1: is not a person.
Speaker 2: Evie is actually a magazine and a media brand that
Speaker 2: calls itself the conservative Cosmo or other people have labeled
Speaker 2: it that, and it's a celebration of femininity over feminism
Speaker 2: and over in the US. She actually Evie Magazine represents
Speaker 2: something a lot bigger, a sort of pushback that you're
Speaker 2: seeing through the rise of trad wife content and all
Speaker 2: those kind of things about the models of womanhood that
Speaker 2: are trump for vading generation is done with. So I'll
Speaker 2: just give you a couple of quick tastes of the
Speaker 2: kind of things that Evi carries. So on the surface,
Speaker 2: if you followed their Instagram, a lot of the same
Speaker 2: kind of stories you'd see in media aimed at women anywhere,
Speaker 2: including bomamere, nail trends, whiteladus theories. But inside things are
Speaker 2: a little more ideological. Take for example, a beauty feature
Speaker 2: in our Beauty features are always the standard thing in
Speaker 2: women's bags, right. This one was written by Robin Riley,
Speaker 2: and it pushes back against body positivity and it celebrates
Speaker 2: natural beauty. Here's a little extract without being able to
Speaker 2: hold objectively beautiful women up and celebrate their excellence we
Speaker 2: lose touch.
Speaker 1: With our ability to create beauty in.
Speaker 2: Our own lives. The more obese, over sexualized, and unhealthy
Speaker 2: women we hold up, the uglier.
Speaker 1: The ordinary woman becomes. In response, interesting.
Speaker 2: Young women in the West have never been more confused
Speaker 2: about what it means to be beautiful. Too often they
Speaker 2: think letting themselves go and not taking care of themselves
Speaker 2: is just fine, because we have beauty at any size.
Speaker 3: Now, like Mey at the gym.
Speaker 2: No, they also have sex tips, but they are labeled
Speaker 2: for married women only. And here's a little bit about
Speaker 2: a piece by millennial rider Delphine Chu about rejecting feminism.
Speaker 2: We women are not made for the daily grind. While
Speaker 2: men have a twenty four hour testosterone cycle, we have
Speaker 2: a four week cycle. There's a lot of cycle talk
Speaker 2: in Evie, which I'm sure we'll get to Jesse. That
Speaker 2: impacts everything for our energy level, sweet quality food cravings.
Speaker 2: It took me my entire twenties to realize it was
Speaker 2: impossible for me to live, love.
Speaker 1: Or lead like a man.
Speaker 2: Evie's founders are deeply photogenic young married parents, Brittany and
Speaker 2: Gabrielle Hugo Boom, and they say that the conventional women's
Speaker 2: magazines are too feminist, two ideological, and too antique feminine.
Speaker 1: Mia.
Speaker 2: You were one of the absolute forefront leaders of women's
Speaker 2: magazines in Australia when they were a big thing. Did
Speaker 2: you think they were inherently political when you were editing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, women's magazines. Well, some women's magazine were. Cleo and
Speaker 1: Cosmo were very transgressive when they first started, because when
Speaker 1: you go back to those times in the seventies and
Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties when they were probably at
Speaker 1: their peak, there was no other women's media and there
Speaker 1: was no Internet. So if you were interested in anything
Speaker 1: through a female lens, anything about a woman's life. So
Speaker 1: it's a furfe to say that women's magazines were just
Speaker 1: about beauty tips and sex tips. They weren't. They were
Speaker 1: also about career and relationship and sexual health, and health
Speaker 1: and contraception and breast cancer and stories about domestic violence
Speaker 1: and eating disorders, so anything to do with being a
Speaker 1: woman or a girl. If you wanted to know about it,
Speaker 1: the mainstream media didn't cover it, so you could only
Speaker 1: find that information in women's magazines and girls magazines. As
Speaker 1: time went on, and certainly after the Internet came along,
Speaker 1: they became a little less relevant because they stopped reflecting
Speaker 1: perhaps the world as it was. But when I had
Speaker 1: a look at ev when you look at the covers,
Speaker 1: ev actually is a print magazine that comes out once
Speaker 1: a year, but it's a website and it mostly is
Speaker 1: a brand that lives online and social. For a bit
Speaker 1: of comparison, Cosmo in the US has about four million
Speaker 1: Instagram followers. Evie has a couple of one hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely growing, and I think what it reflects
Speaker 1: is this very Megan Markele Ballerine of Farm Nara Smith
Speaker 1: tradwife idea, and ironically, all of those women I mentioned
Speaker 1: work incredibly hard and have businesses that make it seem
Speaker 1: like they don't work, and that kind of fetishizes the
Speaker 1: idea of expansive leisure and being able to take homemaking
Speaker 1: to this elevated level and making bath salts and decorating
Speaker 1: cakes and you know, dressing nicely. And what's interesting about
Speaker 1: EV is that it also has a lot of sex tips.
Speaker 1: It has a disclaimer it's for married women only, because
Speaker 1: it's very obviously anti abortion, anti casual sex, anti contraception,
Speaker 1: you know, against all those things. So the subversive message
Speaker 1: is that this idea of traditional homemaking is the ideal
Speaker 1: state for women.
Speaker 3: And I suppose it reveals that there was an inherent
Speaker 3: politics within the women's magazine and that we took for
Speaker 3: granted that that politics was quite left leaning.
Speaker 1: I think in recent years, yes, like in the Internet era.
Speaker 1: Absolutely before that, I wouldn't argue that that was the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree, But I think it's interesting we
Speaker 2: see everything very much through a polarized political lens.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think ideology is a closer thing because the women's magazines,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole idea of them was like, you
Speaker 2: can be anything you want to be, you go girl, right,
Speaker 2: like in lots of different ways, not in.
Speaker 1: That literal language and choice feminism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this movement is about trying to appeal to
Speaker 2: the women who are turning back towards what they call
Speaker 2: more feminine.
Speaker 3: Value or have always been like that and have never
Speaker 3: felt reflected. So there are a certain portion of women,
Speaker 3: for example, who are pro life right and who have
Speaker 3: felt alienated by women's media. That broadly, if you're thinking
Speaker 3: you Jezebel, the cart Mum and me a like Cosmo Cleo,
Speaker 3: they are I mean, we've explicitly said it, but not
Speaker 3: necessarily explicitly saying it. They're pro chose right, or they
Speaker 3: talk about contraception very liberally, and so this to me
Speaker 3: is a it's a swing back, but clearly they've acknowledged
Speaker 3: that there's a gap, and as we've said before, this
Speaker 3: is now the status quo. So I think that's why
Speaker 3: this started in twenty nineteen, we're now in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: and clearly it's met its moment in a way that
Speaker 3: it may be kind of.
Speaker 2: Trying to, because what it is is it's marketing of
Speaker 2: a particular kind of idea of what a woman should be,
Speaker 2: and the idea of whether or not that's just reflecting
Speaker 2: something that's already there, or whether it's actually a political push.
Speaker 1: It's a political push.
Speaker 2: Of course it is, like because the truth of it
Speaker 2: is all the stats tell you that young women are
Speaker 2: actually more progressive than they've ever been, and that the
Speaker 2: gap between men and women when it comes to politics,
Speaker 2: the gender divide in political voting, particularly in America, is
Speaker 2: very start.
Speaker 3: But whether or not these are the majority, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying this. I'm saying they exist.
Speaker 2: They do exist. See I don't think this is the
Speaker 2: same as like make some jam. This is like reject feminism,
Speaker 2: stay home, submit to your husband. It's making conservative Christian
Speaker 2: values sexy.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I don't think so necessary. Well, it's sorry,
Speaker 1: I think it is. But what's interesting about it is
Speaker 1: that they're zeroing in on this kind of moderate, apolitical,
Speaker 1: exhausted woman who's really broken down by the lack of
Speaker 1: support for working mothers. And I think it's so interesting
Speaker 1: that they're positioning feminine as being the opposite of feminist,
Speaker 1: as if feminism and you know, we saw some wild
Speaker 1: things on their social media where it was like, I'm
Speaker 1: an ex feminist and I once went to this feminist
Speaker 1: meeting and everyone was naked and they were slapping people.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean that they have a very specific
Speaker 2: political agenction.
Speaker 1: It's very demonizing of feminism. But I also think that
Speaker 1: there's a huge number of women who were really disenfranchised
Speaker 1: with this idea that wanting to find a partner, wanting
Speaker 1: to be a mother, not wanting to hustle is somehow
Speaker 1: a betrayal of feminism, and I think that suggests that
Speaker 1: feminism has an image problem, and it always has in
Speaker 1: many ways. But the fact that they don't think that
Speaker 1: feminism includes them, and that feminism actively disparages them is
Speaker 1: a real shame.
Speaker 3: It's a shame, and it's also I see how they
Speaker 3: got there. Yeah, I would say that when I look
Speaker 3: at the last ten to fifteen years of feminism, what
Speaker 3: it left behind was motherhood. I really think it didn't
Speaker 3: do a good enough job at in interrogating and getting
Speaker 3: to the complexities of what it is to be a
Speaker 3: mother and how.
Speaker 1: Hang on difficult feminism or did society in terms of
Speaker 1: the structural subjecty.
Speaker 3: I don't think that feminism has been talking that much
Speaker 3: about motherhood. I think it moved on to a bunch
Speaker 3: of niche issues. And I think that for the women
Speaker 3: who did get married and have kids, which is still
Speaker 3: the status quo, let's not pretend it it isn't. I
Speaker 3: don't think feminism knows what to do with them.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's feminism. I think it's society. I
Speaker 2: think there is no question that the central thesis here,
Speaker 2: which is what you'll see in all a lot of
Speaker 2: these conservative influences things, which is a truth that feminists
Speaker 2: also talk about a lot, which is now we are
Speaker 2: expect women broadly are expected to do the lion's share
Speaker 2: of work at home and out in the world, and
Speaker 2: we haven't been given the support enough to do it.
Speaker 2: You'll find that most feminist causes, talking about things like
Speaker 2: affordable childcare and domestic equality are a massive part of feminism.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's true that they're not they don't
Speaker 2: talk about but I think that what this is doing
Speaker 2: is it's very much demonizing the idea that all feminists
Speaker 2: hate kids, all feminists hate being at home, all feminists
Speaker 2: don't want to get married, and none of that is true.
Speaker 2: But there's a very convenient conservative message, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Even we were talking on Monday about Chapel Roone saying,
Speaker 3: I don't know a happy parent. I can see how
Speaker 3: a woman might get to a point where they look
Speaker 3: at it and go, I don't know a happy feminist.
Speaker 3: Feminists don't seem happy, they seem really tired.
Speaker 1: It depends what.
Speaker 2: You call a feminist. Most women I know are feminists.
Speaker 2: But are you just talking about women who talk online
Speaker 2: about feminism a lot and that they don't seem happy?
Speaker 2: Because do not think that maybe feminism has just become
Speaker 2: so mainstream now that it's kind of everybody.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. Yeah, maybe I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: particular sort of pundits or particular figureheads of feminism, the
Speaker 3: most shouty one where Yeah, it got very shouty and
Speaker 3: alienating for I think a lot of women, and I
Speaker 3: just understand how they got there. And there was a
Speaker 3: line in White Lotus this week that I thought encapsulated this,
Speaker 3: which was the Mother from North Carolina and she meets
Speaker 3: a woman who's married to an older man, and she
Speaker 3: basically says to her.
Speaker 1: You're such a darling girl. You're young, you're beautiful. Why
Speaker 1: are you with this middle aged weirdo? Does he have
Speaker 1: a lot of money? You can't ask that. After the
Speaker 1: Carolina I have to introduce you to some respectable men.
Speaker 1: They would heat you up. I actually love Rupert. Are
Speaker 1: you scared of you? I could get you out of this.
Speaker 3: And there's this sense that we patronize conservative women thinking,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, you're a tool of the patriarchy, you
Speaker 3: poor thing. You don't know, but you've been brainwashed and
Speaker 3: you're oppressed. And these women are going I am not brainwashed.
Speaker 3: I am not oppressed. This is what I believe. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with the politics inherent in a lot
Speaker 3: of this, but what I will say is that when
Speaker 3: I went on the website, I felt my body physiologically
Speaker 3: exhale because I was like, Oh, my god, imagine living
Speaker 3: in an existence when we're not oppressed.
Speaker 1: They talk about a soft life, that.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful, there were no issues, there was no
Speaker 3: chattle like all of that stuff. It's likea So what
Speaker 3: they're selling has hooked you, because actually there is shitloads
Speaker 3: of ideological stuff on that. So, as I said in
Speaker 3: my intro, it laws you in with here's the nails
Speaker 3: and here's the bluff. But then it's talking about how
Speaker 3: contraception is evil, and it's talking about how wanting to earn.
Speaker 1: A living is evil.
Speaker 2: You've got The thing about this is it's not at
Speaker 2: all about for me, and I think you're falling, not
Speaker 2: you specifically, but the argument you're putting forward falls into
Speaker 2: a trap that women always have to be pitted against
Speaker 2: each other. This has got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2: For me, I think that this is a dangerous and
Speaker 2: that's an overstated word, but an interesting thing to observe
Speaker 2: and watch right. The owner of it by the way,
Speaker 2: she like a lot of Trump world people.
Speaker 1: They say, or we love.
Speaker 2: How much this upsets liberals, She says, liberals hate this magazine.
Speaker 2: Why shouldn't there be a magazine for conservative women. I
Speaker 2: don't hate it at all, but I find it fascinating
Speaker 2: because it's a soft way to get in to a
Speaker 2: woman's mind and start whispering in her ear. And what
Speaker 2: they're whispering in your ear is don't work, don't make
Speaker 2: your own money, don't have bodily autonomy, don't make your
Speaker 2: own choices.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and dress like a milkman.
Speaker 2: And exactly, And it's like and it looks sexy and
Speaker 2: beautiful and aspirational because everyone is gorgeous, just like on
Speaker 2: the traadwife thing. Everybody has an adoring husband who wants
Speaker 2: to have sex with them all the time. Everybody has
Speaker 2: these beautiful, well groomed children and these lovely homes. So
Speaker 2: it's doing exactly what women's magazines have always done, which
Speaker 2: is package aspiration and then law you in and then
Speaker 2: give you a lot of standards that are hard to
Speaker 2: live up to. Whether that's girl boss life or whether
Speaker 2: that's soft wife trad wife life, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: But what this revealed to me was that left wing
Speaker 3: publications that might not brand themselves as that have been
Speaker 3: doing the same thing for ten years, that you can
Speaker 3: go and have a look at all their headlines and go,
Speaker 3: there's nothing here, and then you click on one you go, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a really radical idea. Whether or not I agree
Speaker 3: with it, I can see how if you weren't super
Speaker 3: progressive or super left wing, you would feel alienated by that,
Speaker 3: because there's an assumption that you just agree that women
Speaker 3: should be having rampant, casual sex and.
Speaker 1: That that's empowering for everyone.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you don't need a man, and you don't
Speaker 1: need motherhood, and maybe you don't. And I think, to me,
Speaker 1: what feminism is is about choices. But some women find
Speaker 1: those choices overwhelming, and some women would like to be
Speaker 1: kept because it seems easier than both having to work
Speaker 1: as hard as a man but also do all the
Speaker 1: childcare and homemaking as well. As I was preparing for this,
Speaker 1: I got an email from Megan Markle. Would you please stop.
Speaker 2: Pooking Megan would be very upset to think that you're
Speaker 2: putting her in the same bucket asn't well.
Speaker 1: I think it's all under the same umbrella, because in
Speaker 1: this email, she says, in part of course, you'll find
Speaker 1: the raspberry spread that started it all presented in keep
Speaker 1: safe packaging that you can repurpose to tuck away love
Speaker 1: notes or special treasures and to remember this pivotal moment
Speaker 1: with me. Think of it as our time capsule. And
Speaker 1: by the way, once you've enjoyed every spoonful of this
Speaker 1: fruit spread, you may want to do what I do,
Speaker 1: rinse the jar and use it as a small bud
Speaker 1: vase for flowers on your nightstand or to hold your
Speaker 1: pens on your desk.
Speaker 3: I think that sounds lovely and also the time.
Speaker 2: But I think what you missed is that not everybody
Speaker 2: who likes housy things are trying to sell you a
Speaker 2: conservative nightmare.
Speaker 1: But these people are, I understand. But my point is
Speaker 1: that this idea of these women and missus Hugo Boom,
Speaker 1: who who is the thirty three year old co founder
Speaker 1: of Evy along with her husband and Megan, both have
Speaker 1: to work really, really, really hard and have a huge
Speaker 1: number of let's be honest, other women in their lives
Speaker 1: doing the actual work of helping to look after their
Speaker 1: children and helping to clean their houses and do all
Speaker 1: of those things. And that's fine, But to me, it's
Speaker 1: more the disconnection with we're all just pretending that we're
Speaker 1: not working. So you have to work really hard because
Speaker 1: everybody needs to earn money, but then you also have
Speaker 1: to be this domestic goddess, which just feels like more pressure.
Speaker 3: I listened to an interview with the founder who said
Speaker 3: that this magazine or this publication is about women who
Speaker 3: want love and marriage. Right, that was like her summary
Speaker 3: of what it means. There is a portion of feminism.
Speaker 3: To even talk about it as some kind of homogeneous
Speaker 3: thing is ridiculous. But let's just say some of the
Speaker 3: loudest voices maybe have disparage love and marriage, maybe have
Speaker 3: suggested that there some.
Speaker 1: Do doesn't work out that well for everybody.
Speaker 3: Exactly it doesn't. And there has been some really valid
Speaker 3: and important criticisms of those institutions. And they say that
Speaker 3: they have data to suggest that most women still want
Speaker 3: love and marriage. Then they're just going, well, this is.
Speaker 1: It's like been shamed for wanting to find a soul mate.
Speaker 3: Which yeah, and I think the love and marriage, I
Speaker 3: think the disparaging as description of what she's selling, but
Speaker 3: the disparaging of love and marriage or the suggestion that
Speaker 3: that is somehow anti feminist to want I think what's
Speaker 3: happened is that's left a wide gaping hole for the
Speaker 3: trad wife phenomenon, is that it is something that has
Speaker 3: just been left women have been looking to be reflected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, but I also one of
Speaker 2: the things that I find kind of troubling about all
Speaker 2: this is that everything in life now has to be
Speaker 2: so polarized. So if you do like making jam or
Speaker 2: baking cakes, are staying home, then you're conservative.
Speaker 3: Just finally, on the birth control point, I also think
Speaker 3: that's another wide open hole that has maybe been something
Speaker 3: we haven't interrogated enough, and therefore it's been co opted
Speaker 3: by a conservative agenda when there are a lot of
Speaker 3: women who aren't necessarily conservative, who are going, hey, actually
Speaker 3: want to kind of flag that there are some issues.
Speaker 3: Like as a millennial woman who was prescribed birth control
Speaker 3: at fourteen because I had terrible periods and it changed
Speaker 3: my body, it changed my moods, and then when I
Speaker 3: went to the doctor and when I've got anxiety and depression,
Speaker 3: I was then medicated more on a different medication, like
Speaker 3: it is something that needs to be discussed. I understand
Speaker 3: how women have been radicalized into this, Like, we don't
Speaker 3: do any contraception thing because I think it's been clumsily
Speaker 3: done at points.
Speaker 1: So the other business that these co founders have is
Speaker 1: a natural hormonal tracking app. It's like a fertility app
Speaker 1: that helps you try and avoid or seek pregnancy based
Speaker 1: on where you are at in your cycle. And they
Speaker 1: also sell vitamins for women who want to give up
Speaker 1: birth control. You know, it's no accident, of course, that
Speaker 1: they publish a whole lot of articles about how terrible
Speaker 1: birth control is now for some women. It really is.
Speaker 1: It's not that there's no truth in that, but the
Speaker 1: risks of the kind of birth control app that they're
Speaker 1: peddling are unexpected pregnancy.
Speaker 3: And their pro life.
Speaker 2: So what are your yes in an America where it's
Speaker 2: increasingly hard to do anything about any accidental pregnance.
Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting the viral milk may dress,
Speaker 1: which they also sell. They say in some of the
Speaker 1: marketing warning might cause unplanned pregnancy because you look so hot.
Speaker 1: Your husband just can't help.
Speaker 3: But rav isue out louders two brilliant news shows and
Speaker 3: a book Hollie is raving about. It is time for
Speaker 3: our recommendations just after the break, how aloud us.
Speaker 1: We've got a listener dilemma and we need your collective
Speaker 1: wisdom to help us and our partners UI to solve it.
Speaker 1: Please all right, So here's the problem, our listener says,
Speaker 1: I've made a terrible mistake and need your advice. Last week,
Speaker 1: I had an important work dinner with potential clients that
Speaker 1: required me to dress more formally than usual. As a
Speaker 1: typically casual dresser, I didn't have anything suitable, so I
Speaker 1: asked my friend if I could borrow something.
Speaker 3: This is me every second week to your wardrobe.
Speaker 1: My friend has an amazing wardrobe. Yes I do, and
Speaker 1: immediately offered her favorite cream silk button up shirt from
Speaker 1: a designer label that cost around four hundred dollars. She
Speaker 1: mentioned it was special to her as she bought it
Speaker 1: to celebrate her promotion last year. The dinner went perfectly,
Speaker 1: but when I got home, I was exhausted and made
Speaker 1: a catastrophic error. Instead of dry cleaning the shirt as
Speaker 1: my friend had instructed, I absent mindedly tossed it in
Speaker 1: my washing machine with my regular laundry. When I pulled
Speaker 1: it out, it was completely ruined, shrunken, discolored, and the
Speaker 1: fabric had that terrible stiff texture that destroyed silk gets.
Speaker 1: My friend is message asking when Hra turned her shirt,
Speaker 1: and I'm paralyzed with anxiety. But the question is what
Speaker 1: do you do next?
Speaker 3: I have the answer.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: You have to go and read buy the shirt? Of
Speaker 3: course you do, four hundred answer, that's the only answer.
Speaker 3: You have to go out and buy it. Now that
Speaker 3: he is not available, here's your issue if it's not available,
Speaker 3: and that is where I pedal my DP pop my
Speaker 3: Facebook market. Oh, you then put in the exact thing.
Speaker 3: And even if you I mean.
Speaker 1: It's a bit, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: But if can't available, then you're giving.
Speaker 1: Your friend it was already.
Speaker 2: You have to give her the money. If the shirt
Speaker 2: is no longer available, you have to give the money.
Speaker 2: And that's the tax borrowing the expensive shit.
Speaker 3: I actually completely agree.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't borrow expensive things.
Speaker 3: You have people borrow your clothes all the time. What's
Speaker 3: your answer to that.
Speaker 1: Well, I had a friend once borrow a trench coat
Speaker 1: that she set on fire. Yeah, accidentally, Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: thought it was hilarious, But I don't get that attached
Speaker 1: to things. My kids also. Oh, my daughter borrows my
Speaker 1: clothes all the time. Often things come back.
Speaker 3: A lite, you would expect someone to replace it.
Speaker 1: Look, the thing is that when I learn something to someone,
Speaker 1: I kind of forget that it's even there. It's like
Speaker 1: putting something in storage.
Speaker 3: I forget I have clothes. Eye are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry about it. So look, I actually like
Speaker 1: your deep up idea. I think the first thing you
Speaker 1: need to do is fess up. But only fess up
Speaker 1: when you've got the solution. Yeah, whether it's buying a
Speaker 1: your shirt or finding one second hand.
Speaker 2: Out loud as, what would you do? Share your thoughts
Speaker 2: in the mom and Me are Outloud Facebook group and
Speaker 2: share any dilemmas that you want to help with their.
Speaker 1: Too vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is
Speaker 1: my best recommendation.
Speaker 3: It's Friday, and we're going to help set up your
Speaker 3: weekend with our very best recommendations. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: first because I'm the boss here. I have a show
Speaker 3: that I watched all weekend and it just made me
Speaker 3: laugh until I cried. It is called last one laughing
Speaker 3: on Prime Video?
Speaker 1: What was the last jokes that made you laugh? I
Speaker 1: haven't laughed since the nineties. About ten comedians and one objective,
Speaker 1: do not laugh. You're not allowed to giggle, you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to smile.
Speaker 3: Time to start the game.
Speaker 1: This is our job, Jimmie. No, we're going to change
Speaker 1: the rules now. Can we say that?
Speaker 3: There was an Australian version years ago hosted by Rebel Wilson,
Speaker 3: and I thought the oh, I remember, that's genius.
Speaker 1: It was so good. Comedians in the room. What happened?
Speaker 1: I forget?
Speaker 3: So like ten comedians, throw them in a room, lock
Speaker 3: the door, six hours, right, and the experiment is you
Speaker 3: win if you're the last one to laugh. So they're
Speaker 3: all trying to make each other laugh for the entire series.
Speaker 3: You get a yellow card if you laugh or you
Speaker 3: can't smile either, right, if you get a yellow card
Speaker 3: the first time you do it, and then you're sent
Speaker 3: out the second time you do it. And there's always
Speaker 3: someone that lasts about five minutes because they're just like,
Speaker 3: I can't stop laughing. But what's funny about comedians is
Speaker 3: that even in their presenting or if they're trying to
Speaker 3: make someone else laugh. It's really hard not to crack
Speaker 3: themselves up.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: So the best part of it was the facial expressions
Speaker 3: they have to pull for the whole time, or someone
Speaker 3: says something funny and you watch them have to go
Speaker 3: somewhere in their head, and the things that actually get
Speaker 3: them like there's always something than you think ridiculous and stupid.
Speaker 1: My memory of the Australian one is that things got
Speaker 1: fairly out of control. Really weirdood you've been throwing around,
Speaker 1: People were dressing up.
Speaker 3: Yep, this is less that. I think that there was
Speaker 3: nudity in the Australian quite in appropriate. I think someone
Speaker 3: to all their clothes off this one. There isn't any nudity.
Speaker 3: It's hosted by Jimmy Carr. They are world class comedians.
Speaker 3: It is just so much fun. You could probably watch
Speaker 3: it with kids. I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 1: Not too rude.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's too many naughty words, but it's
Speaker 3: funny when Luca and I were watching it, going if
Speaker 3: him and I were in a room. You know how,
Speaker 3: there's sometimes just one word that will bring about a
Speaker 3: story that will just get you, that will just get you,
Speaker 3: like it's just.
Speaker 1: How long are they locked in there? For? Six hours?
Speaker 1: Six hours?
Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I'm recommending a different kind of TV show. It's called
Speaker 1: The Last Anniversary on Binge.
Speaker 2: Fac Yes, so big.
Speaker 1: This habit. You look at the time, the moment you
Speaker 1: see your date, just in case I'm the one christ
Speaker 1: last time I saw you, you left me the altar, left.
Speaker 2: You at the AirPod and you hadn't proposed yet.
Speaker 1: Do you remember my Nana Connie? She left you her
Speaker 1: house like a doll's house. Why would she leave you
Speaker 1: at doll's house? Why would she leave me her househouse?
Speaker 1: No one has managed to solve our mystery. I love the.
Speaker 2: Whole Baby mon Morrow's story, but it's not a story,
Speaker 2: it's the truth.
Speaker 1: It is a TV show based on Leanne Moriarty's book
Speaker 1: My Favorite Leone Mariani. Yeah, it's one of her older books.
Speaker 1: It was written before Big Little Eyes. And it's an
Speaker 1: Australian series on Binge and it follows Sophie Honeywells. She's
Speaker 1: played by Teresa Palmer who is so good in this
Speaker 1: and she inherits this house on Scribbly Gum Island, which
Speaker 1: is like a place shrouded in mystery and secrets, and
Speaker 1: it explores like family and motherhood and the bonds between
Speaker 1: generations of women. It's got an incredible female cast. The
Speaker 1: producers are made up stories and also Nicole Kidman Blossom Films.
Speaker 1: Nicole's not in it, but made up stories, who also
Speaker 1: produces of Strife and many other things. Oh, it's just
Speaker 1: so good. It feels very Australian, directed by John Paulson,
Speaker 1: beautiful performances. I went to the premiere of it last
Speaker 1: week and oh it was just great. Just so many
Speaker 1: faces you recognize up on the screen.
Speaker 3: I've only heard brilliant thing. Yeah, it's very Australian, very creamy,
Speaker 3: and people say it's just like I.
Speaker 1: Can smell the eucalyptus gorgeous on the Hawksbury. I think
Speaker 1: it is what I think it is, Ye scribblely Gum
Speaker 1: Island doesn't actually exist, but it's just beautiful. Oh I
Speaker 1: can't wait, Binge.
Speaker 2: I've got an old book that's new again because Nora Efron,
Speaker 2: who is a legendary writer right, she is a screenwriter
Speaker 2: and a writer. She very famously wrote Heartburn, She wrote
Speaker 2: When Harry Met Sally, and Sleepless in Seattle, and lots
Speaker 2: of marvelous things. She's also a mad food person. She
Speaker 2: is no longer with us. She died quite a long
Speaker 2: time ago, but she wrote. In two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: she published a collection of essays called I Feel Bad
Speaker 2: about My Neck, which is, as their title suggests, what
Speaker 2: a good title. As the title suggests, some of them
Speaker 2: are about age, but not all of them. Some of
Speaker 2: them are just about her life in New York, about divorce,
Speaker 2: about remarriage, about homes, about real estate, about all kinds
Speaker 2: of things. It's been re released as an audio book
Speaker 2: and she reads it, so obviously she recorded these essays once,
Speaker 2: so it's Naura's voice. Nora's reading these essays, and the
Speaker 2: intro has been done by Dolly Alderton, because Dolly is
Speaker 2: one of probably the most famous Nora stands in the world.
Speaker 2: And she writes her intro about why she loves Noaura
Speaker 2: so much, and she reads it, and it's short. It
Speaker 2: probably will take you like a couple of hours to
Speaker 2: listen to this. And I spent a Saturday afternoon doing
Speaker 2: that recently when I was pottering about home, and it
Speaker 2: was the most delightful experience because it's so interesting what
Speaker 2: we were just talking about about women's media and how
Speaker 2: everything is so polarized now because Efron wrote about feminism
Speaker 2: with a small you know like, which I think is
Speaker 2: how most women actually experience feminism, which is just it's
Speaker 2: given me choices in my life, right.
Speaker 1: To vote and have my own bank account.
Speaker 3: And to launch a media company where only women write.
Speaker 1: Exactly that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And Nora was a newspaper columnist, a journalist, a political reporter.
Speaker 2: At one point she moved in these opper echelons of
Speaker 2: New York and Washington society so very like East Coast elite.
Speaker 2: But the writing is so engaging and so funny, and
Speaker 2: it made me think that now I don't know if
Speaker 2: Nora Efron could exist in quite the same way, because
Speaker 2: everybody would say that's not relatable.
Speaker 1: There'd be one hundred think pieces about every piece that
Speaker 1: she wrote.
Speaker 2: Whereas she could just put it out there. And some
Speaker 2: of them are about her obsessions with trying to cook
Speaker 2: a particular dish, but they're just so brilliant. And some
Speaker 2: of them are about when she met jfk as a
Speaker 2: young intern in the White House, which is mind boggling,
Speaker 2: and then some of them are about rent control apartments
Speaker 2: in New York City, and like it's just delightful, and
Speaker 2: anyone who loves funny, sharp writing, she'd love Nora, I
Speaker 2: feel bad about my neck. The audiobook it's available everywhere,
Speaker 2: with the intro by Dolly Alderton out Louders.
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, we spoke about micro pettiness, and
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a question that's been going around
Speaker 1: that has made us think of a new kind of
Speaker 1: micro pettiness. A social media us posted the question, you're
Speaker 1: a burglar, but you only steal things to slightly inconvenience
Speaker 1: your victims. What are you stealing? So you're basically you're
Speaker 1: a micro petty burglar? Jesse, what are you stealing?
Speaker 3: Or the forks?
Speaker 1: I had forks written down? Fawks?
Speaker 3: I really like just the conditioner. Oh yes, I know
Speaker 3: the feeling of In fact, you know what, here's what
Speaker 3: I want to do. Squeeze the conditioner down the toilet
Speaker 3: so the conditioner bottles still there. You think you got enough,
Speaker 3: then you shampoo your hair all naughty, and now what
Speaker 3: are you gonna do? You're gonna have a bad a
Speaker 3: one piece from each bedding set, so I have two
Speaker 3: betting sets, and what I want to do is just
Speaker 3: take like one pillow case and like one sheet, so
Speaker 3: that you'll never have a full never quite matches. That
Speaker 3: never quite matches an HD in my cable.
Speaker 1: That remind that's just one.
Speaker 3: And it also made me think of we have a
Speaker 3: family friend. They really got burgled, right, someone came in
Speaker 3: and stole a bunch of stuff. And something that they
Speaker 3: stole was his Easter egg collection.
Speaker 1: Is Easter egg collection?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, heaps of stregg person with a lot of self control.
Speaker 1: Don't they go bad? Well?
Speaker 3: I think it must have been around Easter, but it
Speaker 3: was a big thing of East eggs, right. And this
Speaker 3: burglar whenever I see that, I just see a man
Speaker 3: in a black and white thing with a beanie on,
Speaker 3: but like doing a little yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah cat burglar, Yeah yeah kat Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, stole all the Easter eggs, took the big bucket,
Speaker 3: but the bucket happened to have this person's name on it,
Speaker 3: and so he was caught by the police.
Speaker 1: I steal all of one type of charger, just so
Speaker 1: that you've only got the wrong charger or whatever device
Speaker 1: you need. Yeah, And if I was being a micro
Speaker 1: petty person just around this table, like if I went
Speaker 1: into your household and I was being micro petty. I'd
Speaker 1: steal your salt. Oh, yes, Jesse, I'd steal your liquid
Speaker 1: eye liner.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I'd steal. I'd steal the lids
Speaker 3: off Holly's lipsticks.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that would be devastating my hambag and
Speaker 2: they get all mushy. I would steal all working pens.
Speaker 2: I'm always looking for a pen in my house, and
Speaker 2: they're never working.
Speaker 1: Just replace them with crayons.
Speaker 2: Crayons hair I am always looking for a hair tie constantly.
Speaker 2: Never find a hair tie, and lids the right lid
Speaker 2: to the food container, Like, come on, you know what,
Speaker 2: somebody just do that in my house. I'm sure I'd
Speaker 2: go to your scissors and i'd open the scissors and
Speaker 2: I'd break the scissors.
Speaker 3: So you've only got half a siss half a scissor
Speaker 3: half a scissor. So what are you gonna do with that? Yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: and I haven't thrown them away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take all the toothbrushes, but I'd leave you
Speaker 1: the toothpaste, so you'd have to brush your teeth with
Speaker 1: your finger, which is or your hair brush.
Speaker 3: After the break, new hair the worst weekend in the
Speaker 3: history of weekends and me as Weekend with her People.
Speaker 3: It's our best and Worst of the Week out loud as.
Speaker 1: If you want to listen to us every day of
Speaker 1: the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on
Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a Mum and Me a subscriber.
Speaker 1: Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and
Speaker 1: support us. And a big thank you to all our
Speaker 1: current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst, the part
Speaker 1: of the show where we share a little more from
Speaker 1: our personal lives. I'm going to go first. My worst
Speaker 1: of the week is then, I've been wanting to actually
Speaker 1: say that my best of the week or my recommendation
Speaker 1: is that I've been doing weight training. You know I've
Speaker 1: got my.
Speaker 3: Weight best for a while.
Speaker 1: Maybe I already have said that is my best of
Speaker 1: the week, right, My worst is that I weighted too hard.
Speaker 3: Isn't that just growing muscle.
Speaker 1: Between my vest and I was increasing my weightload of
Speaker 1: my handweight?
Speaker 3: How can I just ask how much five kilo dumbbells?
Speaker 1: Wow? You just just me left at the gym Arnold
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger six. I'm actually quite impressed I have done something
Speaker 1: to my lower back and I can't You've not engaged forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't engaged my core enough, and so now I
Speaker 1: can't really walk very well because it hurts. My best
Speaker 1: is that this time last week on Friday night, we
Speaker 1: did an event in the Apple Store and it was
Speaker 1: Emelia Lester interviewing the three of us about ten years
Speaker 1: of podcasting without loud because it's our birthday last year,
Speaker 1: this year something. And there are about five hundred or
Speaker 1: six hundred out louders that came and looking around at everybody,
Speaker 1: and there were I reckon there were three generations of faces,
Speaker 1: maybe four because that was a little baby. There were
Speaker 1: all kinds of people and just doing this show like
Speaker 1: we have the outlouders our minds, but there's something about
Speaker 1: sitting in front of them and seeing them just beaming
Speaker 1: back to us. And it was the first time Amelia
Speaker 1: had been in that situation and sharing that with my
Speaker 1: best friend, having her feel that love because she's done
Speaker 1: a lot of important panels and speaking engagements and stuff,
Speaker 1: but nothing no, she said, it's usually full of men
Speaker 1: in suits scowling at her. And she just said the
Speaker 1: love and the just the beaming, happy women was just
Speaker 1: a treat, and yeah, it was a treat for all
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 3: Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 1: My worst is that my thunder has been stolen at
Speaker 1: home and Brent is now a published author.
Speaker 3: Okay, can I ask about this? This is not okay,
Speaker 3: you have kept this well. I learned on Instagram that
Speaker 3: Brent's written the book. I was like, Holy, for all
Speaker 3: I've heard about.
Speaker 1: This is it's not. This is why it's my worst.
Speaker 1: Is it about us? It's not about any of us.
Speaker 1: It's about walking.
Speaker 2: And so the reason it's my worst is that, although
Speaker 2: obviously I'm very proud of my partner because he's written
Speaker 2: a book about walking, is it just means more walking, trousers,
Speaker 2: walking shoes, more walking?
Speaker 1: Is he walking careage? So now he is?
Speaker 2: So he's compiled a book that's like lots of different
Speaker 2: stories about the great walks around Australia, coastal walks.
Speaker 1: It's very beautiful. It's like a coffee table.
Speaker 3: But I've thought that, and then I thought, I want
Speaker 3: to give that to my mum. And then I thought,
Speaker 3: I wonder if Holly has a freebie, because you.
Speaker 2: Know, he only brought one copy. The reason one of
Speaker 2: the reasons you haven't all had to hear about it
Speaker 2: is because I'm like, do you understand how you sell
Speaker 2: a book? You give it to people, you show, you
Speaker 2: take pictures of it, you put.
Speaker 1: It alone people.
Speaker 2: I got my hands on one copy, so I'll bring
Speaker 2: you on fran I could anyway?
Speaker 1: Does it come with a free pair of zip up No?
Speaker 2: Do you remember how recently on the show, I was
Speaker 2: dissing his fashion and I was saying, help me, and
Speaker 2: I got lots of good advice from out louders and
Speaker 2: they were saying, yes, you said me a uniclo and
Speaker 2: this and that and whatever.
Speaker 1: But now that he's.
Speaker 2: Digging in with all the fame about his walking, I
Speaker 2: am doomed.
Speaker 1: To a life of trousers and wardrobe.
Speaker 2: It is like a coffee table beautiful book, and obviously
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of him, but it's called Great Coastal Walks, okay?
Speaker 3: And can you actually can I.
Speaker 2: Go into And one of the cute things is is
Speaker 2: on the Big w website, it's got his book and
Speaker 2: my book next to each other because I's pre ordered,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's so nice because you're coming
Speaker 2: out in April, so very soon. But yes, he has
Speaker 2: stolen my thunder and please do not support Breadpa Kane
Speaker 2: by buying.
Speaker 1: His bad I don't want to encourage. I'm joking, of
Speaker 1: course you should.
Speaker 2: My best though, is doing new things. I got my
Speaker 2: hair dyed last week for the first time in my
Speaker 2: entire life, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: Could you believe how long it took? Maya and I like.
Speaker 2: To result to be clear, is I like, I really
Speaker 2: like how it looks. We've talked before about how we
Speaker 2: have like a group hair dresser who.
Speaker 1: Mia introduced us all to. He's amazing. She's called El
Speaker 1: and she works in Sydney.
Speaker 2: But she when I went to see her last time,
Speaker 2: she was like a bit of color and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never done it. I've never done it.
Speaker 2: And she's like, come on now me. I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: come on now. So I went and I didn't know
Speaker 2: what to expect. And I know that every out louder
Speaker 2: in the whole world is like what you don't need
Speaker 2: to explain.
Speaker 1: She sent us a picture of her in foils, just
Speaker 1: like looking shocked. I was shocked and I was like,
Speaker 1: I look like a lion and also made a foil,
Speaker 1: made a foil. And also this takes a lot of time.
Speaker 1: Being blonde. A is exhausted.
Speaker 2: I was in there for like four hours and maybe longer.
Speaker 2: And anyway, it does look lovely. She did a great
Speaker 2: job because I was worried that I'd look really different.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I message Brent and he said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're getting your hair died, and I
Speaker 2: think he thought I was going to come home with
Speaker 2: like yeah, but of course he didn't even notice.
Speaker 1: Because it's so very natural. But it shows you can
Speaker 1: do new things.
Speaker 2: We won't reveal what, but we did something very fun
Speaker 2: at work this week too for the live show. If
Speaker 2: you think of coming to the live show, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the singing and dancing, something completely different that none of
Speaker 2: us had ever done before.
Speaker 3: And if you want to see me in particular, I
Speaker 3: have what can only be described as a breakdown. Oh
Speaker 3: it was so fun that I lost my mind. I
Speaker 3: made to have an ice pil I don't.
Speaker 1: Laughing about that.
Speaker 2: I love new experiences. I'm like, I want to do
Speaker 2: more new things. Maybe that can be one of my
Speaker 2: ambitions for the rest this year. Anyway, on the live show,
Speaker 2: which you have to come to to see Jesse, you
Speaker 2: have a nervous break down. Among other things, Sydney is
Speaker 2: sold out friends, Perth has been sold out for ages,
Speaker 2: but there are a handful of like secret tickets left
Speaker 2: for Sydney. There are a few tickets for Melbourne and
Speaker 2: a few tickets for Brisbane. The link will be in
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Not It's next month, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's really soon? Can't wait over to you, Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 3: My worst is that weekend before last when I wasn't
Speaker 3: on the show. Our whole family struck with illness. The
Speaker 3: RSV hadn't had it before. Luna got it. I got it.
Speaker 3: And you know when you're so sick that you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be out of bed, but you've got a child ticket,
Speaker 3: so there's no choice. Wow, the wheels just fell off.
Speaker 3: It was hard to find the low point.
Speaker 1: But were you one of those parents that chapel Rohn
Speaker 1: is referring to.
Speaker 3: Yes, this story, I'll make your house thrown. Just want
Speaker 3: to get pregnant immediately. A low point was definitely when
Speaker 3: Luna was in her pram. She fell forward into a gutter,
Speaker 3: nearly lost her mouthful of tea, basted all our lips
Speaker 3: like horrible. Then I end up at an urgent care clinic.
Speaker 3: You know things are bad when you're on the street
Speaker 3: in public, in tears and you go, this is not
Speaker 3: a good day for us. But we need the highs
Speaker 3: and lowers in life, don't we. Because the following weekend
Speaker 3: was my absolute best. We were all well, I slept.
Speaker 3: One of the hardest things about that being sick was
Speaker 3: not only that it was we were trying to recover
Speaker 3: and look after Luna, but I had a keynote at
Speaker 3: the end of last week and it required me to
Speaker 3: write it Yes of speech, and it felt like I
Speaker 3: had this assignment over my head all week that even
Speaker 3: when I was resting or sick, it was just like, no,
Speaker 3: you've got this thing to do, and it's a really
Speaker 3: big thing, and I don't have the energy. But I
Speaker 3: was better in time for it. I actually felt so
Speaker 3: so much satisfaction doing it. Then it was our wedding
Speaker 3: anniversary and Luca and I went out to dinner and
Speaker 3: we just had the very best of.
Speaker 1: You two years.
Speaker 3: It was our two year wedding anniversary. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: really nice, really nice.
Speaker 2: That is all We've got time for today out loud
Speaker 2: as a massive thank you for being here with us
Speaker 2: all week long. It's been a big week and we
Speaker 2: will see you next time. Jesse and Mia take us out.
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer.
Speaker 1: Ruth Devine, who's not a burgular.
Speaker 3: She's not a burglar, not that we know of. Executive
Speaker 3: producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1: Our audio producer Leap Poor just our video producer Josh Green,
Speaker 1: and our junior content producers are co Co and Tessa Bye.
Speaker 3: We know you're not ready to say goodbye drinking which
Speaker 3: we thought we'd leave you with a bit of a
Speaker 3: conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday.
Speaker 1: Oh White Lotus have been yelling. They left us to
Speaker 1: talk about has been incest.
Speaker 3: We just needed to talk.
Speaker 1: There's been violence, the trio.
Speaker 3: Friendship falling apart, and our theories about how it's all
Speaker 3: going to end next week. Take a listen.
Speaker 1: We are now down to the last episode. There's only
Speaker 1: one episode left to go. We wanted to recap episodes
Speaker 1: six and seven, lot or seven and eight. I can't
Speaker 1: remember too many episodes. I think some people missed. We
Speaker 1: get to that in the moment.
Speaker 2: We didn't do it last week because that was the
Speaker 2: one with all the success.
Speaker 3: Yeah things, and they said we need to have a
Speaker 3: discussion about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think i've said incest on this podcast before.
Speaker 3: No, let's start with that with the incesses from episode six,
Speaker 3: and I think shout out to any Mum and MEA
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