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Speaker 1: Hey out Louders, it's me. Just before we start Friday's show,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to send our love and support to all

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Speaker 1: the out louders who are in Queensland and currently experiencing

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Speaker 1: the flooding that he is happening across various regions, particularly

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Speaker 1: have been displaced by the floods. So we will put

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Speaker 1: a link to all of those in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Please help out if you can, and you might not

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Speaker 1: have been aware of this because it is not receiving

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Speaker 1: when mortified that we didn't pick up on it, and

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Speaker 1: thank you to the outluders who drew it to our attention.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise we would have definitely spoken about it earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. So we're sending our love and support to

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Speaker 1: all the outlouders affected and hanging there. We are thinking

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Speaker 1: of you. I was increasing way weightload of my handweight.

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Speaker 3: How can I just ask how much with five kilo dumbbells?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Just just me what you lift at the gym

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mama Me are out Loud and

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Speaker 2: our Friday show where we do not talk about anything

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Speaker 2: in the news because the news is poop today, talk

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Speaker 2: about other things.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, the fourth of April, and my name is

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Speaker 1: Hollywayen right, I'm Jesse Hi. Apparently I'm me afraid. I'm

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Speaker 1: quite confused. Everything from me des that I just said that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Okay, that's a good start on the show.

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Speaker 2: Today, celebrations of Hot Wives, sex tips only for married women,

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Speaker 2: natural contraception and nap time friendly careers. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: new movement of conservative.

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Speaker 1: Cosmo media brands.

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Speaker 2: Also a very funny TV show, an instant Australian classic,

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Speaker 2: and the most perfect audiobook experience imaginable. That's our recommendations

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Speaker 2: and best and worst of the week, including Jesse having

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Speaker 2: a weekend from Hell, Brent cutting my grass, and me

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Speaker 2: I'm meeting her people, but first Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, the generations are fighting again,

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Speaker 3: but this time it's about something that really matters. It's

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Speaker 3: high stakes, all right, it's gym clothes. There's an argument

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Speaker 3: brewing on TikTok and it is between millennials and gen

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Speaker 3: z Okay again it is like the socks situation. It's

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Speaker 3: the jeans all over again, but now it's about whether

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Speaker 3: or not you wear tight clothes to the gym. Apparently

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Speaker 3: it is a marker of your age.

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Speaker 1: So so a tight clothes say you're old or not?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, they say that you're a millennial. So I

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Speaker 3: acknowledge that this is ridiculous. But millennials apparently opt for

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Speaker 3: tight on tight, So think like a cropped sports brass

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Speaker 3: situation or a singlet and then like shorts or tights

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Speaker 3: or whatever, whereas gens.

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Speaker 1: Like shorts like tight shorts.

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Speaker 3: Yes, gen z, they say that what's a lot cooler

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, for the first time in a long time,

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Speaker 2: I am young. I always wear a big, baggy T

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Speaker 3: It's very ninety Apparently tight on tight is very middle school,

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Speaker 3: and I have no idea what that means. I want

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Speaker 3: because I cannot express how bad I look at the gym.

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Speaker 3: I do not own a set, and if I did,

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Speaker 1: I always like it. I'm like, that's nice to look at.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the effort you've gone to before you go

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Speaker 3: You are the self appointed fashion cross the sports brah.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about this? Do you think that

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Speaker 3: out of touch, like you're a milleniel.

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Speaker 1: I do think this is the problem, and it's why

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Speaker 1: a whole other layer of choices and spending and decisions

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Speaker 1: and insecurity that you don't need. I mean, you need

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Speaker 3: No place. It has no place in my gym. It

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Speaker 3: is a sacred space. You can wear a potato sack.

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Speaker 3: be comfortable a gym. Yeah, me too, That's my trick.

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Speaker 2: I pretend I'm invisible. I'm like one of those is

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Speaker 2: it mere cats to stick the heads in the sand. Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm an ostrich. Mere cats do the opposite.

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Speaker 2: They pick up or a one mate, you know, if

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm like at the gym. Not a one

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Speaker 3: There's something very relatable about that meat.

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Speaker 2: Ev is hot. She is slim with womanly curves. She

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Speaker 2: She is married and her favorite thing about her husband

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Speaker 2: not too hard because the soft life beckons. She knows

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Speaker 2: being a mum is better than being a boss. And

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Speaker 1: It, because he too woke. Yes, definitely too woke. Evie

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Speaker 2: Evie is actually a magazine and a media brand that

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Speaker 2: women's bags, right. This one was written by Robin Riley,

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Speaker 2: and it pushes back against body positivity and it celebrates

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Speaker 2: natural beauty. Here's a little extract without being able to

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Speaker 1: With our ability to create beauty in.

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Speaker 2: Our own lives. The more obese, over sexualized, and unhealthy

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Speaker 1: The ordinary woman becomes. In response, interesting.

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Speaker 2: Young women in the West have never been more confused

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Speaker 3: Now, like Mey at the gym.

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Speaker 2: No, they also have sex tips, but they are labeled

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Speaker 2: for married women only. And here's a little bit about

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Speaker 2: We women are not made for the daily grind. While

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Speaker 2: a four week cycle. There's a lot of cycle talk

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Speaker 2: in Evie, which I'm sure we'll get to Jesse. That

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Speaker 2: impacts everything for our energy level, sweet quality food cravings.

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Speaker 2: It took me my entire twenties to realize it was

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Speaker 2: impossible for me to live, love.

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Speaker 1: Or lead like a man.

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Speaker 2: Evie's founders are deeply photogenic young married parents, Brittany and

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Speaker 2: Gabrielle Hugo Boom, and they say that the conventional women's

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Speaker 2: magazines are too feminist, two ideological, and too antique feminine.

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Speaker 1: Mia.

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Speaker 2: You were one of the absolute forefront leaders of women's

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Speaker 2: you think they were inherently political when you were editing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, women's magazines. Well, some women's magazine were. Cleo and

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Speaker 1: Cosmo were very transgressive when they first started, because when

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Speaker 1: it's a furfe to say that women's magazines were just

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Speaker 1: about beauty tips and sex tips. They weren't. They were

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Speaker 1: also about career and relationship and sexual health, and health

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Speaker 1: find that information in women's magazines and girls magazines. As

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Speaker 1: they became a little less relevant because they stopped reflecting

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Speaker 1: perhaps the world as it was. But when I had

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Speaker 1: a look at ev when you look at the covers,

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Speaker 1: a brand that lives online and social. For a bit

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Speaker 1: of comparison, Cosmo in the US has about four million

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely growing, and I think what it reflects

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Speaker 1: is this very Megan Markele Ballerine of Farm Nara Smith

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Speaker 1: tradwife idea, and ironically, all of those women I mentioned

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Speaker 1: idea of expansive leisure and being able to take homemaking

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Speaker 1: EV is that it also has a lot of sex tips.

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Speaker 1: It has a disclaimer it's for married women only, because

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Speaker 1: you know, against all those things. So the subversive message

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Speaker 1: is that this idea of traditional homemaking is the ideal

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Speaker 3: And I suppose it reveals that there was an inherent

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Speaker 2: I think ideology is a closer thing because the women's magazines,

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Speaker 2: Trying to, because what it is is it's marketing of

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Speaker 3: But whether or not these are the majority, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's feminism. I think it's society. I

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Speaker 2: You'll find that most feminist causes, talking about things like

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Speaker 2: But there's a very convenient conservative message, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Because do not think that maybe feminism has just become

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I am not oppressed. This is what I believe. Now.

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Speaker 1: They talk about a soft life, that.

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Speaker 3: It was beautiful, there were no issues, there was no

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Speaker 2: For me, I think that this is a dangerous and

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Speaker 2: Why shouldn't there be a magazine for conservative women. I

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Speaker 2: And exactly, And it's like and it looks sexy and

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: But what this revealed to me was that left wing

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Speaker 2: But I think what you missed is that not everybody

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Speaker 1: number of let's be honest, other women in their lives

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Speaker 1: doing the actual work of helping to look after their

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Speaker 1: of those things. And that's fine, But to me, it's

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Speaker 1: more the disconnection with we're all just pretending that we're

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Speaker 1: not working. So you have to work really hard because

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Speaker 1: everybody needs to earn money, but then you also have

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Speaker 3: I listened to an interview with the founder who said

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Speaker 3: want love and marriage. Right, that was like her summary

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Speaker 3: of what it means. There is a portion of feminism.

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Speaker 3: To even talk about it as some kind of homogeneous

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Speaker 3: thing is ridiculous. But let's just say some of the

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Speaker 3: loudest voices maybe have disparage love and marriage, maybe have

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Speaker 1: Do doesn't work out that well for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Exactly it doesn't. And there has been some really valid

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Speaker 3: and important criticisms of those institutions. And they say that

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Speaker 3: they have data to suggest that most women still want

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Speaker 3: love and marriage. Then they're just going, well, this is.

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Speaker 1: It's like been shamed for wanting to find a soul mate.

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Speaker 3: Which yeah, and I think the love and marriage, I

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Speaker 3: think the disparaging as description of what she's selling, but

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Speaker 3: the disparaging of love and marriage or the suggestion that

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Speaker 3: that is somehow anti feminist to want I think what's

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Speaker 3: happened is that's left a wide gaping hole for the

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Speaker 3: trad wife phenomenon, is that it is something that has

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Speaker 3: just been left women have been looking to be reflected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, but I also one of

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Speaker 2: the things that I find kind of troubling about all

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Speaker 2: this is that everything in life now has to be

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Speaker 2: so polarized. So if you do like making jam or

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Speaker 2: baking cakes, are staying home, then you're conservative.

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Speaker 3: Just finally, on the birth control point, I also think

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Speaker 3: that's another wide open hole that has maybe been something

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Speaker 3: we haven't interrogated enough, and therefore it's been co opted

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Speaker 3: women who aren't necessarily conservative, who are going, hey, actually

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Speaker 3: want to kind of flag that there are some issues.

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Speaker 3: Like as a millennial woman who was prescribed birth control

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Speaker 3: I was then medicated more on a different medication, like

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Speaker 3: it is something that needs to be discussed. I understand

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Speaker 3: how women have been radicalized into this, Like, we don't

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Speaker 3: do any contraception thing because I think it's been clumsily

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Speaker 3: done at points.

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Speaker 1: So the other business that these co founders have is

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Speaker 1: a natural hormonal tracking app. It's like a fertility app

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Speaker 1: also sell vitamins for women who want to give up

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Speaker 1: birth control. You know, it's no accident, of course, that

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Speaker 1: they publish a whole lot of articles about how terrible

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Speaker 1: birth control is now for some women. It really is.

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Speaker 1: It's not that there's no truth in that, but the

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Speaker 1: risks of the kind of birth control app that they're

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Speaker 1: peddling are unexpected pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: And their pro life.

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Speaker 2: So what are your yes in an America where it's

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Speaker 2: increasingly hard to do anything about any accidental pregnance.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting the viral milk may dress,

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Speaker 1: Your husband just can't help.

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Speaker 1: We've got a listener dilemma and we need your collective

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Speaker 1: Please all right, So here's the problem, our listener says,

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Speaker 1: I've made a terrible mistake and need your advice. Last week,

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Speaker 1: I had an important work dinner with potential clients that

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Speaker 1: required me to dress more formally than usual. As a

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Speaker 1: typically casual dresser, I didn't have anything suitable, so I

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Speaker 3: This is me every second week to your wardrobe.

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Speaker 1: My friend has an amazing wardrobe. Yes I do, and

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Speaker 1: to celebrate her promotion last year. The dinner went perfectly,

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Speaker 1: but when I got home, I was exhausted and made

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Speaker 1: a catastrophic error. Instead of dry cleaning the shirt as

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Speaker 1: my friend had instructed, I absent mindedly tossed it in

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Speaker 1: my washing machine with my regular laundry. When I pulled

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Speaker 1: My friend is message asking when Hra turned her shirt,

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Speaker 1: and I'm paralyzed with anxiety. But the question is what

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Speaker 1: do you do next?

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Speaker 3: I have the answer.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: You have to go and read buy the shirt? Of

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Speaker 3: course you do, four hundred answer, that's the only answer.

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Speaker 3: You have to go out and buy it. Now that

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Speaker 3: he is not available, here's your issue if it's not available,

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Speaker 3: and that is where I pedal my DP pop my

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Speaker 3: Facebook market. Oh, you then put in the exact thing.

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Speaker 3: And even if you I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit, you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: But if can't available, then you're giving.

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Speaker 1: Your friend it was already.

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Speaker 2: You have to give her the money. If the shirt

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Speaker 2: is no longer available, you have to give the money.

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Speaker 2: And that's the tax borrowing the expensive shit.

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Speaker 3: I actually completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't borrow expensive things.

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Speaker 3: You have people borrow your clothes all the time. What's

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Speaker 3: your answer to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had a friend once borrow a trench coat

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Speaker 1: that she set on fire. Yeah, accidentally, Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: thought it was hilarious, But I don't get that attached

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Speaker 1: to things. My kids also. Oh, my daughter borrows my

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Speaker 1: clothes all the time. Often things come back.

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Speaker 3: A lite, you would expect someone to replace it.

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Speaker 1: Look, the thing is that when I learn something to someone,

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Speaker 1: I kind of forget that it's even there. It's like

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Speaker 1: putting something in storage.

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Speaker 3: I forget I have clothes. Eye are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry about it. So look, I actually like

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Speaker 1: your deep up idea. I think the first thing you

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Speaker 1: need to do is fess up. But only fess up

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Speaker 1: when you've got the solution. Yeah, whether it's buying a

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Speaker 1: your shirt or finding one second hand.

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Speaker 2: Out loud as, what would you do? Share your thoughts

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, and we're going to help set up your

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Speaker 3: on Prime Video?

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Speaker 1: What was the last jokes that made you laugh? I

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Speaker 1: haven't laughed since the nineties. About ten comedians and one objective,

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Speaker 1: do not laugh. You're not allowed to giggle, you're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to smile.

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Speaker 3: Time to start the game.

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Speaker 1: This is our job, Jimmie. No, we're going to change

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Speaker 1: the rules now. Can we say that?

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Speaker 3: There was an Australian version years ago hosted by Rebel Wilson,

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Speaker 3: and I thought the oh, I remember, that's genius.

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Speaker 1: It was so good. Comedians in the room. What happened?

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Speaker 1: I forget?

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Speaker 3: So like ten comedians, throw them in a room, lock

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Speaker 3: the door, six hours, right, and the experiment is you

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Speaker 3: win if you're the last one to laugh. So they're

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Speaker 3: all trying to make each other laugh for the entire series.

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Speaker 3: You get a yellow card if you laugh or you

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Speaker 3: can't smile either, right, if you get a yellow card

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Speaker 3: the first time you do it, and then you're sent

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Speaker 3: out the second time you do it. And there's always

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Speaker 3: someone that lasts about five minutes because they're just like,

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Speaker 3: I can't stop laughing. But what's funny about comedians is

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Speaker 3: that even in their presenting or if they're trying to

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Speaker 3: make someone else laugh. It's really hard not to crack

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Speaker 3: themselves up.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: So the best part of it was the facial expressions

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Speaker 3: they have to pull for the whole time, or someone

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Speaker 3: says something funny and you watch them have to go

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Speaker 3: somewhere in their head, and the things that actually get

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Speaker 3: them like there's always something than you think ridiculous and stupid.

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Speaker 1: My memory of the Australian one is that things got

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Speaker 1: fairly out of control. Really weirdood you've been throwing around,

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Speaker 1: People were dressing up.

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Speaker 3: Yep, this is less that. I think that there was

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Speaker 3: nudity in the Australian quite in appropriate. I think someone

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Speaker 3: to all their clothes off this one. There isn't any nudity.

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Speaker 3: It's hosted by Jimmy Carr. They are world class comedians.

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Speaker 3: It is just so much fun. You could probably watch

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Speaker 3: it with kids. I'm thinking it's.

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Speaker 1: Not too rude.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's too many naughty words, but it's

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Speaker 3: funny when Luca and I were watching it, going if

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Speaker 3: him and I were in a room. You know how,

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Speaker 3: there's sometimes just one word that will bring about a

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Speaker 3: story that will just get you, that will just get you,

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Speaker 3: like it's just.

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Speaker 1: How long are they locked in there? For? Six hours?

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Speaker 1: Six hours?

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm recommending a different kind of TV show. It's called

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Speaker 1: The Last Anniversary on Binge.

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Speaker 2: Fac Yes, so big.

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Speaker 1: This habit. You look at the time, the moment you

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Speaker 1: see your date, just in case I'm the one christ

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Speaker 1: last time I saw you, you left me the altar, left.

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Speaker 2: You at the AirPod and you hadn't proposed yet.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember my Nana Connie? She left you her

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Speaker 1: house like a doll's house. Why would she leave you

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Speaker 1: at doll's house? Why would she leave me her househouse?

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Speaker 1: No one has managed to solve our mystery. I love the.

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Speaker 2: Whole Baby mon Morrow's story, but it's not a story,

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Speaker 2: it's the truth.

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Speaker 1: It is a TV show based on Leanne Moriarty's book

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Speaker 1: My Favorite Leone Mariani. Yeah, it's one of her older books.

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Speaker 1: It was written before Big Little Eyes. And it's an

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Speaker 1: Australian series on Binge and it follows Sophie Honeywells. She's

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Speaker 1: played by Teresa Palmer who is so good in this

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Speaker 1: and she inherits this house on Scribbly Gum Island, which

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Speaker 1: is like a place shrouded in mystery and secrets, and

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Speaker 1: it explores like family and motherhood and the bonds between

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Speaker 1: generations of women. It's got an incredible female cast. The

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Speaker 1: producers are made up stories and also Nicole Kidman Blossom Films.

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Speaker 1: Nicole's not in it, but made up stories, who also

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Speaker 1: produces of Strife and many other things. Oh, it's just

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Speaker 1: so good. It feels very Australian, directed by John Paulson,

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Speaker 1: beautiful performances. I went to the premiere of it last

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Speaker 1: week and oh it was just great. Just so many

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Speaker 3: I've only heard brilliant thing. Yeah, it's very Australian, very creamy,

649
00:32:34,422 --> 00:32:35,782
Speaker 3: and people say it's just like I.

650
00:32:35,702 --> 00:32:39,302
Speaker 1: Can smell the eucalyptus gorgeous on the Hawksbury. I think

651
00:32:39,342 --> 00:32:41,502
Speaker 1: it is what I think it is, Ye scribblely Gum

652
00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,622
Speaker 1: Island doesn't actually exist, but it's just beautiful. Oh I

653
00:32:44,622 --> 00:32:46,382
Speaker 1: can't wait, Binge.

654
00:32:46,422 --> 00:32:50,022
Speaker 2: I've got an old book that's new again because Nora Efron,

655
00:32:50,022 --> 00:32:52,982
Speaker 2: who is a legendary writer right, she is a screenwriter

656
00:32:53,102 --> 00:32:55,902
Speaker 2: and a writer. She very famously wrote Heartburn, She wrote

657
00:32:56,102 --> 00:32:58,982
Speaker 2: When Harry Met Sally, and Sleepless in Seattle, and lots

658
00:32:58,982 --> 00:33:02,902
Speaker 2: of marvelous things. She's also a mad food person. She

659
00:33:03,422 --> 00:33:05,382
Speaker 2: is no longer with us. She died quite a long

660
00:33:05,382 --> 00:33:07,262
Speaker 2: time ago, but she wrote. In two thousand and six,

661
00:33:07,302 --> 00:33:09,782
Speaker 2: she published a collection of essays called I Feel Bad

662
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:13,461
Speaker 2: about My Neck, which is, as their title suggests, what

663
00:33:13,502 --> 00:33:15,701
Speaker 2: a good title. As the title suggests, some of them

664
00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:17,542
Speaker 2: are about age, but not all of them. Some of

665
00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:19,902
Speaker 2: them are just about her life in New York, about divorce,

666
00:33:19,942 --> 00:33:23,662
Speaker 2: about remarriage, about homes, about real estate, about all kinds

667
00:33:23,661 --> 00:33:26,862
Speaker 2: of things. It's been re released as an audio book

668
00:33:27,222 --> 00:33:30,582
Speaker 2: and she reads it, so obviously she recorded these essays once,

669
00:33:30,661 --> 00:33:34,502
Speaker 2: so it's Naura's voice. Nora's reading these essays, and the

670
00:33:34,702 --> 00:33:37,742
Speaker 2: intro has been done by Dolly Alderton, because Dolly is

671
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Speaker 2: one of probably the most famous Nora stands in the world.

672
00:33:41,302 --> 00:33:43,902
Speaker 2: And she writes her intro about why she loves Noaura

673
00:33:43,982 --> 00:33:47,302
Speaker 2: so much, and she reads it, and it's short. It

674
00:33:47,342 --> 00:33:50,421
Speaker 2: probably will take you like a couple of hours to

675
00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:53,302
Speaker 2: listen to this. And I spent a Saturday afternoon doing

676
00:33:53,382 --> 00:33:55,862
Speaker 2: that recently when I was pottering about home, and it

677
00:33:56,022 --> 00:34:00,701
Speaker 2: was the most delightful experience because it's so interesting what

678
00:34:00,742 --> 00:34:03,262
Speaker 2: we were just talking about about women's media and how

679
00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:08,622
Speaker 2: everything is so polarized now because Efron wrote about feminism

680
00:34:08,862 --> 00:34:10,661
Speaker 2: with a small you know like, which I think is

681
00:34:10,702 --> 00:34:14,022
Speaker 2: how most women actually experience feminism, which is just it's

682
00:34:14,062 --> 00:34:16,822
Speaker 2: given me choices in my life, right.

683
00:34:16,782 --> 00:34:20,022
Speaker 1: To vote and have my own bank account.

684
00:34:19,701 --> 00:34:22,221
Speaker 3: And to launch a media company where only women write.

685
00:34:21,942 --> 00:34:23,102
Speaker 1: Exactly that kind of thing.

686
00:34:23,622 --> 00:34:27,782
Speaker 2: And Nora was a newspaper columnist, a journalist, a political reporter.

687
00:34:27,862 --> 00:34:30,582
Speaker 2: At one point she moved in these opper echelons of

688
00:34:30,582 --> 00:34:34,462
Speaker 2: New York and Washington society so very like East Coast elite.

689
00:34:35,062 --> 00:34:40,701
Speaker 2: But the writing is so engaging and so funny, and

690
00:34:40,781 --> 00:34:42,661
Speaker 2: it made me think that now I don't know if

691
00:34:42,701 --> 00:34:45,182
Speaker 2: Nora Efron could exist in quite the same way, because

692
00:34:45,181 --> 00:34:47,701
Speaker 2: everybody would say that's not relatable.

693
00:34:48,221 --> 00:34:50,462
Speaker 1: There'd be one hundred think pieces about every piece that

694
00:34:50,502 --> 00:34:51,341
Speaker 1: she wrote.

695
00:34:51,062 --> 00:34:53,701
Speaker 2: Whereas she could just put it out there. And some

696
00:34:53,741 --> 00:34:55,661
Speaker 2: of them are about her obsessions with trying to cook

697
00:34:55,661 --> 00:34:57,861
Speaker 2: a particular dish, but they're just so brilliant. And some

698
00:34:57,942 --> 00:35:00,781
Speaker 2: of them are about when she met jfk as a

699
00:35:00,781 --> 00:35:03,502
Speaker 2: young intern in the White House, which is mind boggling,

700
00:35:03,542 --> 00:35:05,982
Speaker 2: and then some of them are about rent control apartments

701
00:35:05,982 --> 00:35:09,022
Speaker 2: in New York City, and like it's just delightful, and

702
00:35:09,102 --> 00:35:12,781
Speaker 2: anyone who loves funny, sharp writing, she'd love Nora, I

703
00:35:12,822 --> 00:35:15,462
Speaker 2: feel bad about my neck. The audiobook it's available everywhere,

704
00:35:15,502 --> 00:35:18,822
Speaker 2: with the intro by Dolly Alderton out Louders.

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00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:22,421
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, we spoke about micro pettiness, and

706
00:35:22,462 --> 00:35:25,302
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a question that's been going around

707
00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:27,622
Speaker 1: that has made us think of a new kind of

708
00:35:27,862 --> 00:35:32,341
Speaker 1: micro pettiness. A social media us posted the question, you're

709
00:35:32,382 --> 00:35:35,701
Speaker 1: a burglar, but you only steal things to slightly inconvenience

710
00:35:35,781 --> 00:35:38,821
Speaker 1: your victims. What are you stealing? So you're basically you're

711
00:35:38,862 --> 00:35:41,422
Speaker 1: a micro petty burglar? Jesse, what are you stealing?

712
00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:42,502
Speaker 3: Or the forks?

713
00:35:43,221 --> 00:35:44,742
Speaker 1: I had forks written down? Fawks?

714
00:35:44,781 --> 00:35:48,382
Speaker 3: I really like just the conditioner. Oh yes, I know

715
00:35:48,462 --> 00:35:50,622
Speaker 3: the feeling of In fact, you know what, here's what

716
00:35:50,661 --> 00:35:52,902
Speaker 3: I want to do. Squeeze the conditioner down the toilet

717
00:35:53,221 --> 00:35:55,622
Speaker 3: so the conditioner bottles still there. You think you got enough,

718
00:35:56,022 --> 00:35:58,622
Speaker 3: then you shampoo your hair all naughty, and now what

719
00:35:58,661 --> 00:36:00,942
Speaker 3: are you gonna do? You're gonna have a bad a

720
00:36:00,982 --> 00:36:05,181
Speaker 3: one piece from each bedding set, so I have two

721
00:36:05,302 --> 00:36:07,622
Speaker 3: betting sets, and what I want to do is just

722
00:36:07,701 --> 00:36:10,301
Speaker 3: take like one pillow case and like one sheet, so

723
00:36:10,302 --> 00:36:12,741
Speaker 3: that you'll never have a full never quite matches. That

724
00:36:12,902 --> 00:36:15,582
Speaker 3: never quite matches an HD in my cable.

725
00:36:16,302 --> 00:36:17,822
Speaker 1: That remind that's just one.

726
00:36:18,022 --> 00:36:20,062
Speaker 3: And it also made me think of we have a

727
00:36:20,062 --> 00:36:22,982
Speaker 3: family friend. They really got burgled, right, someone came in

728
00:36:23,022 --> 00:36:25,221
Speaker 3: and stole a bunch of stuff. And something that they

729
00:36:25,261 --> 00:36:27,302
Speaker 3: stole was his Easter egg collection.

730
00:36:27,822 --> 00:36:28,902
Speaker 1: Is Easter egg collection?

731
00:36:29,102 --> 00:36:29,301
Speaker 3: Yeah?

732
00:36:29,342 --> 00:36:32,102
Speaker 2: Yeah, heaps of stregg person with a lot of self control.

733
00:36:32,181 --> 00:36:33,221
Speaker 1: Don't they go bad? Well?

734
00:36:33,302 --> 00:36:34,982
Speaker 3: I think it must have been around Easter, but it

735
00:36:34,982 --> 00:36:36,941
Speaker 3: was a big thing of East eggs, right. And this

736
00:36:37,342 --> 00:36:39,821
Speaker 3: burglar whenever I see that, I just see a man

737
00:36:39,862 --> 00:36:41,382
Speaker 3: in a black and white thing with a beanie on,

738
00:36:41,542 --> 00:36:43,142
Speaker 3: but like doing a little yeah.

739
00:36:42,982 --> 00:36:44,622
Speaker 1: Yeah cat burglar, Yeah yeah kat Yeah.

740
00:36:44,701 --> 00:36:48,022
Speaker 3: Anyway, stole all the Easter eggs, took the big bucket,

741
00:36:48,261 --> 00:36:50,422
Speaker 3: but the bucket happened to have this person's name on it,

742
00:36:50,741 --> 00:36:52,142
Speaker 3: and so he was caught by the police.

743
00:36:52,342 --> 00:36:55,661
Speaker 1: I steal all of one type of charger, just so

744
00:36:55,781 --> 00:36:59,422
Speaker 1: that you've only got the wrong charger or whatever device

745
00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:02,182
Speaker 1: you need. Yeah, And if I was being a micro

746
00:37:02,302 --> 00:37:05,301
Speaker 1: petty person just around this table, like if I went

747
00:37:05,342 --> 00:37:07,701
Speaker 1: into your household and I was being micro petty. I'd

748
00:37:07,701 --> 00:37:10,862
Speaker 1: steal your salt. Oh, yes, Jesse, I'd steal your liquid

749
00:37:10,902 --> 00:37:11,301
Speaker 1: eye liner.

750
00:37:11,622 --> 00:37:13,622
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I'd steal. I'd steal the lids

751
00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:14,661
Speaker 3: off Holly's lipsticks.

752
00:37:14,902 --> 00:37:18,661
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that would be devastating my hambag and

753
00:37:18,661 --> 00:37:21,502
Speaker 2: they get all mushy. I would steal all working pens.

754
00:37:21,701 --> 00:37:23,861
Speaker 2: I'm always looking for a pen in my house, and

755
00:37:23,902 --> 00:37:24,662
Speaker 2: they're never working.

756
00:37:24,862 --> 00:37:26,301
Speaker 1: Just replace them with crayons.

757
00:37:26,302 --> 00:37:33,341
Speaker 2: Crayons hair I am always looking for a hair tie constantly.

758
00:37:33,701 --> 00:37:36,221
Speaker 2: Never find a hair tie, and lids the right lid

759
00:37:36,422 --> 00:37:38,502
Speaker 2: to the food container, Like, come on, you know what,

760
00:37:38,622 --> 00:37:40,981
Speaker 2: somebody just do that in my house. I'm sure I'd

761
00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:45,382
Speaker 2: go to your scissors and i'd open the scissors and

762
00:37:45,382 --> 00:37:46,182
Speaker 2: I'd break the scissors.

763
00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,462
Speaker 3: So you've only got half a siss half a scissor

764
00:37:48,502 --> 00:37:51,902
Speaker 3: half a scissor. So what are you gonna do with that? Yes, exactly,

765
00:37:51,982 --> 00:37:53,182
Speaker 3: and I haven't thrown them away.

766
00:37:53,342 --> 00:37:56,661
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take all the toothbrushes, but I'd leave you

767
00:37:56,661 --> 00:37:58,942
Speaker 1: the toothpaste, so you'd have to brush your teeth with

768
00:37:58,982 --> 00:38:02,821
Speaker 1: your finger, which is or your hair brush.

769
00:38:02,862 --> 00:38:05,701
Speaker 3: After the break, new hair the worst weekend in the

770
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:08,262
Speaker 3: history of weekends and me as Weekend with her People.

771
00:38:08,462 --> 00:38:11,622
Speaker 3: It's our best and Worst of the Week out loud as.

772
00:38:11,661 --> 00:38:13,382
Speaker 1: If you want to listen to us every day of

773
00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:16,181
Speaker 1: the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on

774
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:19,901
Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a Mum and Me a subscriber.

775
00:38:20,302 --> 00:38:22,422
Speaker 1: Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and

776
00:38:22,462 --> 00:38:24,861
Speaker 1: support us. And a big thank you to all our

777
00:38:24,902 --> 00:38:39,701
Speaker 1: current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst, the part

778
00:38:39,701 --> 00:38:41,261
Speaker 1: of the show where we share a little more from

779
00:38:41,261 --> 00:38:44,502
Speaker 1: our personal lives. I'm going to go first. My worst

780
00:38:44,542 --> 00:38:47,662
Speaker 1: of the week is then, I've been wanting to actually

781
00:38:47,701 --> 00:38:49,542
Speaker 1: say that my best of the week or my recommendation

782
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:52,102
Speaker 1: is that I've been doing weight training. You know I've

783
00:38:52,102 --> 00:38:52,421
Speaker 1: got my.

784
00:38:52,342 --> 00:38:54,701
Speaker 3: Weight best for a while.

785
00:38:54,902 --> 00:38:56,462
Speaker 1: Maybe I already have said that is my best of

786
00:38:56,462 --> 00:38:59,302
Speaker 1: the week, right, My worst is that I weighted too hard.

787
00:38:59,741 --> 00:39:01,381
Speaker 3: Isn't that just growing muscle.

788
00:39:01,221 --> 00:39:06,942
Speaker 1: Between my vest and I was increasing my weightload of

789
00:39:06,982 --> 00:39:07,622
Speaker 1: my handweight?

790
00:39:07,781 --> 00:39:11,622
Speaker 3: How can I just ask how much five kilo dumbbells?

791
00:39:11,902 --> 00:39:17,422
Speaker 1: Wow? You just just me left at the gym Arnold

792
00:39:17,462 --> 00:39:23,742
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger six. I'm actually quite impressed I have done something

793
00:39:23,822 --> 00:39:28,582
Speaker 1: to my lower back and I can't You've not engaged forward. Yeah,

794
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:32,622
Speaker 1: I haven't engaged my core enough, and so now I

795
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:38,422
Speaker 1: can't really walk very well because it hurts. My best

796
00:39:38,701 --> 00:39:40,941
Speaker 1: is that this time last week on Friday night, we

797
00:39:40,982 --> 00:39:44,502
Speaker 1: did an event in the Apple Store and it was

798
00:39:44,661 --> 00:39:47,781
Speaker 1: Emelia Lester interviewing the three of us about ten years

799
00:39:47,822 --> 00:39:51,102
Speaker 1: of podcasting without loud because it's our birthday last year,

800
00:39:51,102 --> 00:39:53,982
Speaker 1: this year something. And there are about five hundred or

801
00:39:53,982 --> 00:39:58,301
Speaker 1: six hundred out louders that came and looking around at everybody,

802
00:39:58,542 --> 00:40:01,701
Speaker 1: and there were I reckon there were three generations of faces,

803
00:40:02,302 --> 00:40:05,261
Speaker 1: maybe four because that was a little baby. There were

804
00:40:05,302 --> 00:40:08,622
Speaker 1: all kinds of people and just doing this show like

805
00:40:08,661 --> 00:40:11,062
Speaker 1: we have the outlouders our minds, but there's something about

806
00:40:11,102 --> 00:40:13,102
Speaker 1: sitting in front of them and seeing them just beaming

807
00:40:13,142 --> 00:40:15,741
Speaker 1: back to us. And it was the first time Amelia

808
00:40:15,781 --> 00:40:19,861
Speaker 1: had been in that situation and sharing that with my

809
00:40:19,902 --> 00:40:22,301
Speaker 1: best friend, having her feel that love because she's done

810
00:40:22,342 --> 00:40:25,102
Speaker 1: a lot of important panels and speaking engagements and stuff,

811
00:40:25,181 --> 00:40:28,022
Speaker 1: but nothing no, she said, it's usually full of men

812
00:40:28,062 --> 00:40:30,341
Speaker 1: in suits scowling at her. And she just said the

813
00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:33,701
Speaker 1: love and the just the beaming, happy women was just

814
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,022
Speaker 1: a treat, and yeah, it was a treat for all

815
00:40:36,022 --> 00:40:36,301
Speaker 1: of us.

816
00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:37,822
Speaker 3: Holly, what was your worst?

817
00:40:38,181 --> 00:40:40,261
Speaker 1: My worst is that my thunder has been stolen at

818
00:40:40,261 --> 00:40:41,902
Speaker 1: home and Brent is now a published author.

819
00:40:42,062 --> 00:40:44,422
Speaker 3: Okay, can I ask about this? This is not okay,

820
00:40:44,542 --> 00:40:47,861
Speaker 3: you have kept this well. I learned on Instagram that

821
00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:49,661
Speaker 3: Brent's written the book. I was like, Holy, for all

822
00:40:49,661 --> 00:40:50,422
Speaker 3: I've heard about.

823
00:40:51,142 --> 00:40:54,222
Speaker 1: This is it's not. This is why it's my worst.

824
00:40:54,261 --> 00:40:56,181
Speaker 1: Is it about us? It's not about any of us.

825
00:40:56,221 --> 00:40:57,102
Speaker 1: It's about walking.

826
00:40:58,062 --> 00:41:00,142
Speaker 2: And so the reason it's my worst is that, although

827
00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:02,741
Speaker 2: obviously I'm very proud of my partner because he's written

828
00:41:02,781 --> 00:41:06,261
Speaker 2: a book about walking, is it just means more walking, trousers,

829
00:41:06,502 --> 00:41:08,302
Speaker 2: walking shoes, more walking?

830
00:41:08,462 --> 00:41:10,301
Speaker 1: Is he walking careage? So now he is?

831
00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:12,862
Speaker 2: So he's compiled a book that's like lots of different

832
00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:15,022
Speaker 2: stories about the great walks around Australia, coastal walks.

833
00:41:15,022 --> 00:41:16,542
Speaker 1: It's very beautiful. It's like a coffee table.

834
00:41:16,582 --> 00:41:18,102
Speaker 3: But I've thought that, and then I thought, I want

835
00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:19,461
Speaker 3: to give that to my mum. And then I thought,

836
00:41:19,462 --> 00:41:21,741
Speaker 3: I wonder if Holly has a freebie, because you.

837
00:41:21,701 --> 00:41:23,902
Speaker 2: Know, he only brought one copy. The reason one of

838
00:41:23,942 --> 00:41:25,701
Speaker 2: the reasons you haven't all had to hear about it

839
00:41:25,741 --> 00:41:27,542
Speaker 2: is because I'm like, do you understand how you sell

840
00:41:27,542 --> 00:41:29,022
Speaker 2: a book? You give it to people, you show, you

841
00:41:29,062 --> 00:41:30,302
Speaker 2: take pictures of it, you put.

842
00:41:30,142 --> 00:41:31,502
Speaker 1: It alone people.

843
00:41:31,982 --> 00:41:34,062
Speaker 2: I got my hands on one copy, so I'll bring

844
00:41:34,062 --> 00:41:36,701
Speaker 2: you on fran I could anyway?

845
00:41:37,741 --> 00:41:40,462
Speaker 1: Does it come with a free pair of zip up No?

846
00:41:42,181 --> 00:41:44,622
Speaker 2: Do you remember how recently on the show, I was

847
00:41:44,661 --> 00:41:46,902
Speaker 2: dissing his fashion and I was saying, help me, and

848
00:41:46,942 --> 00:41:48,982
Speaker 2: I got lots of good advice from out louders and

849
00:41:48,982 --> 00:41:51,181
Speaker 2: they were saying, yes, you said me a uniclo and

850
00:41:51,181 --> 00:41:52,102
Speaker 2: this and that and whatever.

851
00:41:52,542 --> 00:41:53,422
Speaker 1: But now that he's.

852
00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:57,741
Speaker 2: Digging in with all the fame about his walking, I

853
00:41:57,781 --> 00:41:58,422
Speaker 2: am doomed.

854
00:41:58,221 --> 00:42:00,301
Speaker 1: To a life of trousers and wardrobe.

855
00:42:00,382 --> 00:42:03,181
Speaker 2: It is like a coffee table beautiful book, and obviously

856
00:42:03,221 --> 00:42:08,342
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of him, but it's called Great Coastal Walks, okay?

857
00:42:08,422 --> 00:42:09,982
Speaker 3: And can you actually can I.

858
00:42:09,942 --> 00:42:12,661
Speaker 2: Go into And one of the cute things is is

859
00:42:12,661 --> 00:42:15,181
Speaker 2: on the Big w website, it's got his book and

860
00:42:15,221 --> 00:42:17,302
Speaker 2: my book next to each other because I's pre ordered,

861
00:42:17,701 --> 00:42:20,261
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's so nice because you're coming

862
00:42:20,261 --> 00:42:23,821
Speaker 2: out in April, so very soon. But yes, he has

863
00:42:23,862 --> 00:42:26,861
Speaker 2: stolen my thunder and please do not support Breadpa Kane

864
00:42:26,862 --> 00:42:27,502
Speaker 2: by buying.

865
00:42:27,302 --> 00:42:30,301
Speaker 1: His bad I don't want to encourage. I'm joking, of

866
00:42:30,302 --> 00:42:30,902
Speaker 1: course you should.

867
00:42:31,422 --> 00:42:34,422
Speaker 2: My best though, is doing new things. I got my

868
00:42:34,661 --> 00:42:37,622
Speaker 2: hair dyed last week for the first time in my

869
00:42:38,102 --> 00:42:41,901
Speaker 2: entire life, and I didn't like it.

870
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:46,341
Speaker 3: Could you believe how long it took? Maya and I like.

871
00:42:46,342 --> 00:42:50,262
Speaker 2: To result to be clear, is I like, I really

872
00:42:50,342 --> 00:42:52,382
Speaker 2: like how it looks. We've talked before about how we

873
00:42:52,462 --> 00:42:54,102
Speaker 2: have like a group hair dresser who.

874
00:42:54,062 --> 00:42:57,102
Speaker 1: Mia introduced us all to. He's amazing. She's called El

875
00:42:57,181 --> 00:42:58,102
Speaker 1: and she works in Sydney.

876
00:42:58,102 --> 00:43:00,181
Speaker 2: But she when I went to see her last time,

877
00:43:00,221 --> 00:43:02,022
Speaker 2: she was like a bit of color and I was like, oh,

878
00:43:02,062 --> 00:43:04,462
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never done it. I've never done it.

879
00:43:04,502 --> 00:43:06,461
Speaker 2: And she's like, come on now me. I was like, yes,

880
00:43:06,502 --> 00:43:08,542
Speaker 2: come on now. So I went and I didn't know

881
00:43:08,542 --> 00:43:10,301
Speaker 2: what to expect. And I know that every out louder

882
00:43:10,342 --> 00:43:13,381
Speaker 2: in the whole world is like what you don't need

883
00:43:13,422 --> 00:43:13,902
Speaker 2: to explain.

884
00:43:15,622 --> 00:43:18,542
Speaker 1: She sent us a picture of her in foils, just

885
00:43:18,582 --> 00:43:21,661
Speaker 1: like looking shocked. I was shocked and I was like,

886
00:43:21,902 --> 00:43:24,542
Speaker 1: I look like a lion and also made a foil,

887
00:43:24,942 --> 00:43:28,342
Speaker 1: made a foil. And also this takes a lot of time.

888
00:43:28,622 --> 00:43:29,701
Speaker 1: Being blonde. A is exhausted.

889
00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:33,342
Speaker 2: I was in there for like four hours and maybe longer.

890
00:43:33,422 --> 00:43:35,421
Speaker 2: And anyway, it does look lovely. She did a great

891
00:43:35,502 --> 00:43:37,942
Speaker 2: job because I was worried that I'd look really different.

892
00:43:38,062 --> 00:43:40,062
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I message Brent and he said,

893
00:43:40,062 --> 00:43:41,542
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're getting your hair died, and I

894
00:43:41,542 --> 00:43:42,942
Speaker 2: think he thought I was going to come home with

895
00:43:43,022 --> 00:43:45,661
Speaker 2: like yeah, but of course he didn't even notice.

896
00:43:45,542 --> 00:43:48,181
Speaker 1: Because it's so very natural. But it shows you can

897
00:43:48,221 --> 00:43:48,701
Speaker 1: do new things.

898
00:43:48,701 --> 00:43:51,261
Speaker 2: We won't reveal what, but we did something very fun

899
00:43:51,302 --> 00:43:53,381
Speaker 2: at work this week too for the live show. If

900
00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:55,301
Speaker 2: you think of coming to the live show, it wasn't

901
00:43:55,302 --> 00:43:58,462
Speaker 2: the singing and dancing, something completely different that none of

902
00:43:58,542 --> 00:43:59,622
Speaker 2: us had ever done before.

903
00:43:59,701 --> 00:44:01,781
Speaker 3: And if you want to see me in particular, I

904
00:44:01,862 --> 00:44:03,942
Speaker 3: have what can only be described as a breakdown. Oh

905
00:44:04,022 --> 00:44:08,382
Speaker 3: it was so fun that I lost my mind. I

906
00:44:08,422 --> 00:44:10,062
Speaker 3: made to have an ice pil I don't.

907
00:44:09,902 --> 00:44:10,622
Speaker 1: Laughing about that.

908
00:44:10,661 --> 00:44:12,942
Speaker 2: I love new experiences. I'm like, I want to do

909
00:44:13,022 --> 00:44:14,821
Speaker 2: more new things. Maybe that can be one of my

910
00:44:15,022 --> 00:44:17,822
Speaker 2: ambitions for the rest this year. Anyway, on the live show,

911
00:44:17,902 --> 00:44:19,502
Speaker 2: which you have to come to to see Jesse, you

912
00:44:19,502 --> 00:44:22,102
Speaker 2: have a nervous break down. Among other things, Sydney is

913
00:44:22,142 --> 00:44:25,182
Speaker 2: sold out friends, Perth has been sold out for ages,

914
00:44:25,181 --> 00:44:27,462
Speaker 2: but there are a handful of like secret tickets left

915
00:44:27,462 --> 00:44:29,502
Speaker 2: for Sydney. There are a few tickets for Melbourne and

916
00:44:29,542 --> 00:44:31,582
Speaker 2: a few tickets for Brisbane. The link will be in

917
00:44:31,582 --> 00:44:31,861
Speaker 2: the show.

918
00:44:31,942 --> 00:44:33,221
Speaker 3: Not It's next month, isn't it.

919
00:44:33,221 --> 00:44:36,741
Speaker 1: It's really soon? Can't wait over to you, Jesse Stevens.

920
00:44:36,822 --> 00:44:40,582
Speaker 3: My worst is that weekend before last when I wasn't

921
00:44:40,622 --> 00:44:43,062
Speaker 3: on the show. Our whole family struck with illness. The

922
00:44:43,261 --> 00:44:46,821
Speaker 3: RSV hadn't had it before. Luna got it. I got it.

923
00:44:47,062 --> 00:44:49,822
Speaker 3: And you know when you're so sick that you shouldn't

924
00:44:49,862 --> 00:44:51,822
Speaker 3: be out of bed, but you've got a child ticket,

925
00:44:52,102 --> 00:44:54,781
Speaker 3: so there's no choice. Wow, the wheels just fell off.

926
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:56,302
Speaker 3: It was hard to find the low point.

927
00:44:56,382 --> 00:44:58,821
Speaker 1: But were you one of those parents that chapel Rohn

928
00:44:58,942 --> 00:44:59,982
Speaker 1: is referring to.

929
00:45:00,342 --> 00:45:04,341
Speaker 3: Yes, this story, I'll make your house thrown. Just want

930
00:45:04,382 --> 00:45:07,261
Speaker 3: to get pregnant immediately. A low point was definitely when

931
00:45:07,302 --> 00:45:10,902
Speaker 3: Luna was in her pram. She fell forward into a gutter,

932
00:45:11,382 --> 00:45:14,861
Speaker 3: nearly lost her mouthful of tea, basted all our lips

933
00:45:14,942 --> 00:45:18,622
Speaker 3: like horrible. Then I end up at an urgent care clinic.

934
00:45:19,022 --> 00:45:20,742
Speaker 3: You know things are bad when you're on the street

935
00:45:20,822 --> 00:45:23,181
Speaker 3: in public, in tears and you go, this is not

936
00:45:23,302 --> 00:45:26,142
Speaker 3: a good day for us. But we need the highs

937
00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:28,742
Speaker 3: and lowers in life, don't we. Because the following weekend

938
00:45:29,422 --> 00:45:33,221
Speaker 3: was my absolute best. We were all well, I slept.

939
00:45:33,822 --> 00:45:36,022
Speaker 3: One of the hardest things about that being sick was

940
00:45:36,022 --> 00:45:37,582
Speaker 3: not only that it was we were trying to recover

941
00:45:37,622 --> 00:45:40,181
Speaker 3: and look after Luna, but I had a keynote at

942
00:45:40,181 --> 00:45:42,102
Speaker 3: the end of last week and it required me to

943
00:45:42,382 --> 00:45:45,861
Speaker 3: write it Yes of speech, and it felt like I

944
00:45:45,902 --> 00:45:48,461
Speaker 3: had this assignment over my head all week that even

945
00:45:48,502 --> 00:45:50,701
Speaker 3: when I was resting or sick, it was just like, no,

946
00:45:50,781 --> 00:45:52,422
Speaker 3: you've got this thing to do, and it's a really

947
00:45:52,781 --> 00:45:55,462
Speaker 3: big thing, and I don't have the energy. But I

948
00:45:55,542 --> 00:45:57,982
Speaker 3: was better in time for it. I actually felt so

949
00:45:57,982 --> 00:46:00,901
Speaker 3: so much satisfaction doing it. Then it was our wedding

950
00:46:00,942 --> 00:46:04,301
Speaker 3: anniversary and Luca and I went out to dinner and

951
00:46:04,661 --> 00:46:07,102
Speaker 3: we just had the very best of.

952
00:46:07,062 --> 00:46:08,142
Speaker 1: You two years.

953
00:46:08,142 --> 00:46:10,502
Speaker 3: It was our two year wedding anniversary. Yeah, it was

954
00:46:10,542 --> 00:46:11,982
Speaker 3: really nice, really nice.

955
00:46:12,382 --> 00:46:14,981
Speaker 2: That is all We've got time for today out loud

956
00:46:15,022 --> 00:46:17,261
Speaker 2: as a massive thank you for being here with us

957
00:46:17,342 --> 00:46:19,582
Speaker 2: all week long. It's been a big week and we

958
00:46:19,622 --> 00:46:22,461
Speaker 2: will see you next time. Jesse and Mia take us out.

959
00:46:22,661 --> 00:46:26,142
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer.

960
00:46:25,822 --> 00:46:27,622
Speaker 1: Ruth Devine, who's not a burgular.

961
00:46:27,862 --> 00:46:30,382
Speaker 3: She's not a burglar, not that we know of. Executive

962
00:46:30,422 --> 00:46:32,502
Speaker 3: producer Emmeline Gazillis.

963
00:46:31,982 --> 00:46:35,021
Speaker 1: Our audio producer Leap Poor just our video producer Josh Green,

964
00:46:35,181 --> 00:46:39,462
Speaker 1: and our junior content producers are co Co and Tessa Bye.

965
00:46:40,342 --> 00:46:46,742
Speaker 3: We know you're not ready to say goodbye drinking which

966
00:46:47,181 --> 00:46:48,582
Speaker 3: we thought we'd leave you with a bit of a

967
00:46:48,701 --> 00:46:51,942
Speaker 3: conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday.

968
00:46:52,181 --> 00:46:56,102
Speaker 1: Oh White Lotus have been yelling. They left us to

969
00:46:56,142 --> 00:46:57,502
Speaker 1: talk about has been incest.

970
00:46:57,942 --> 00:46:59,341
Speaker 3: We just needed to talk.

971
00:46:59,582 --> 00:47:01,942
Speaker 1: There's been violence, the trio.

972
00:47:01,701 --> 00:47:05,142
Speaker 3: Friendship falling apart, and our theories about how it's all

973
00:47:05,181 --> 00:47:08,062
Speaker 3: going to end next week. Take a listen.

974
00:47:09,102 --> 00:47:12,062
Speaker 1: We are now down to the last episode. There's only

975
00:47:12,062 --> 00:47:14,942
Speaker 1: one episode left to go. We wanted to recap episodes

976
00:47:14,982 --> 00:47:17,661
Speaker 1: six and seven, lot or seven and eight. I can't

977
00:47:17,701 --> 00:47:21,261
Speaker 1: remember too many episodes. I think some people missed. We

978
00:47:21,382 --> 00:47:22,181
Speaker 1: get to that in the moment.

979
00:47:22,221 --> 00:47:24,142
Speaker 2: We didn't do it last week because that was the

980
00:47:24,181 --> 00:47:25,902
Speaker 2: one with all the success.

981
00:47:25,622 --> 00:47:27,942
Speaker 3: Yeah things, and they said we need to have a

982
00:47:27,982 --> 00:47:29,542
Speaker 3: discussion about it.

983
00:47:29,582 --> 00:47:31,702
Speaker 1: I don't think i've said incest on this podcast before.

984
00:47:31,822 --> 00:47:36,021
Speaker 3: No, let's start with that with the incesses from episode six,

985
00:47:36,102 --> 00:47:37,781
Speaker 3: and I think shout out to any Mum and MEA

986
00:47:37,862 --> 00:47:40,701
Speaker 3: subscribers listening. If you love the show and you want

987
00:47:40,701 --> 00:47:43,382
Speaker 3: to support us, subscribing to Mom and Mia is the

988
00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:45,982
Speaker 3: very best way to do so. There's a link in

989
00:47:46,022 --> 00:47:47,022
Speaker 3: the episode description.