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Speaker 1: I'm a venom and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, there is some more drama

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Speaker 2: around the movie. It ends with us. We are unpacking

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Speaker 2: everything there, plus an unexpected new celebrity romance. We are

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Speaker 2: also unpacking everything that's happening with Lana del Rey.

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Speaker 1: But first, but first, for anyone who is couldn't sleep

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Speaker 1: at nights stressing out that a very sexy, very short couple,

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Speaker 1: There, didn't you. That's just I think part of their charm.

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Speaker 1: They're both teeny tiny, Yeah, they're both the teeny tiny people,

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Speaker 1: translation from Iris is let's fucking go so acutely nice.

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Speaker 2: So that Twitter is and that has over ten k forwards.

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Speaker 1: But they do know each other to some extent, and

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Speaker 1: So Jeremy works for airboat tours by Arthur in Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean maybe both, maybe a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: So he drives one of those like those tours you

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Speaker 1: That's where I want to go to do it, or

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Speaker 1: And so you drive around, you look for alligators, which

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Speaker 1: Roberts was doing it for American Horror Story Covin and

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Speaker 1: all the celebs when they want to do an alligator

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Speaker 2: I saw a tweet that said Lana Delray is finally

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just think if you're in Hollywood. I know

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Speaker 2: I love how much you'd love this.

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Speaker 1: Now, I love it you.

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Speaker 2: I want this to be a thing like I want them.

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Speaker 1: I would be on board with that.

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