1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,113 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm Mom with mea podcast. Makeup is 2 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:20,553 Speaker 1: my therapy. I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty 3 00:00:20,553 --> 00:00:26,714 Speaker 1: about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty. This is 4 00:00:26,754 --> 00:00:30,634 Speaker 1: the formula and I'm Kelly McCarran. Today I am interviewing 5 00:00:30,794 --> 00:00:35,954 Speaker 1: the delightful Ellen Malone aka at ask Ellen Beauty and 6 00:00:36,034 --> 00:00:38,714 Speaker 1: we get right into it and she's just incredible. So 7 00:00:38,754 --> 00:00:42,673 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this chat. You're such beautiful skilled 8 00:00:42,714 --> 00:00:48,833 Speaker 1: But how Ellen, thank you so much for joining me today. 9 00:00:49,233 --> 00:00:51,633 Speaker 1: I know that you've been on New Beauty before, but 10 00:00:51,674 --> 00:00:53,513 Speaker 1: it wasn't with me, so I was desperate. So it's 11 00:00:53,513 --> 00:00:55,954 Speaker 1: a whole new world, exactly, the whole new world. 12 00:00:56,114 --> 00:00:56,914 Speaker 2: Very excited to come. 13 00:00:57,034 --> 00:01:00,634 Speaker 1: And since you were last on You Beauty, you won 14 00:01:00,954 --> 00:01:05,474 Speaker 1: the TikTok Creator of the Year Award for Beauty and Fashion. Congratulations, 15 00:01:05,514 --> 00:01:07,634 Speaker 1: thank you very much. I was so excited. I think 16 00:01:07,634 --> 00:01:09,434 Speaker 1: I told you that when I saw you after, like 17 00:01:09,634 --> 00:01:11,033 Speaker 1: when I was so excited. 18 00:01:11,514 --> 00:01:14,194 Speaker 2: It hasn't fully absorbed for me, to be honest. 19 00:01:13,954 --> 00:01:17,954 Speaker 1: Huge it's like an oscar, but for TikTok in your niche, like. 20 00:01:17,954 --> 00:01:20,274 Speaker 3: Within my industry, that's kind of as it's literally the 21 00:01:20,314 --> 00:01:23,274 Speaker 3: Oscar And honestly, I have it on my shelf at home, 22 00:01:23,314 --> 00:01:25,914 Speaker 3: in my studio and whenever i'm filming, if you know, 23 00:01:26,034 --> 00:01:27,554 Speaker 3: especially if I've had a bit of a challenging day, 24 00:01:27,554 --> 00:01:29,074 Speaker 3: I like to look at it remind myself and I 25 00:01:29,114 --> 00:01:31,634 Speaker 3: know I did win that and it means a lot 26 00:01:31,674 --> 00:01:34,234 Speaker 3: to me. You know, when I won, there were some 27 00:01:34,274 --> 00:01:35,914 Speaker 3: comments on the video from people who you know, maybe 28 00:01:35,914 --> 00:01:36,594 Speaker 3: don't follow. 29 00:01:36,394 --> 00:01:38,753 Speaker 2: Me, going, oh, well was she acting? It's such a big. 30 00:01:38,634 --> 00:01:40,914 Speaker 3: Deal that I'm like, but any achievement in something you've 31 00:01:40,994 --> 00:01:43,554 Speaker 3: wanted to do for years is wonderful, exactly. 32 00:01:43,794 --> 00:01:46,954 Speaker 1: You know, I can't post someone wouldn't understand someone that 33 00:01:46,954 --> 00:01:49,274 Speaker 1: that's where their career is, that's what they're working for 34 00:01:49,674 --> 00:01:51,994 Speaker 1: your career at the moment. We were discussing off Mike 35 00:01:52,114 --> 00:01:55,634 Speaker 1: that you know, pivots in careers, but that's what your 36 00:01:55,634 --> 00:01:59,114 Speaker 1: focus is at the moment. Content imagine winning the award 37 00:01:59,234 --> 00:02:02,514 Speaker 1: in Australia as the lead person, Like. 38 00:02:02,514 --> 00:02:05,674 Speaker 3: That's amazing, And I think the thing that was so affirming, 39 00:02:05,714 --> 00:02:07,394 Speaker 3: and I've got to say just really lovely for me. 40 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:09,554 Speaker 3: I was up against people who had much bigger accounts 41 00:02:09,594 --> 00:02:11,634 Speaker 3: than me in some cases, and I was. 42 00:02:11,594 --> 00:02:12,954 Speaker 1: About that thought it's about the content. 43 00:02:13,194 --> 00:02:16,073 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it showed me that what I suspected, which 44 00:02:16,114 --> 00:02:18,274 Speaker 3: is that my audience I think is very engaged. 45 00:02:18,474 --> 00:02:19,754 Speaker 2: And you know, I love my audience. 46 00:02:19,794 --> 00:02:21,234 Speaker 3: I know a lot of the people in the comments, 47 00:02:21,234 --> 00:02:22,674 Speaker 3: like the people of comment all the time, Like I've 48 00:02:22,674 --> 00:02:25,074 Speaker 3: gotten to know a lot of them, and it encourages 49 00:02:25,114 --> 00:02:27,114 Speaker 3: me that hopefully I am doing something that people really 50 00:02:27,114 --> 00:02:29,514 Speaker 3: love and that encourages them and that means something to them. 51 00:02:29,754 --> 00:02:32,234 Speaker 1: It's also you don't have to be eighteen to TikTok 52 00:02:32,514 --> 00:02:34,954 Speaker 1: damn straight or create content in general. 53 00:02:35,074 --> 00:02:37,994 Speaker 2: Yep, straight and inspiring. That's what the thing is. 54 00:02:37,994 --> 00:02:40,674 Speaker 3: Well, it's like in my industry, we very rarely talk 55 00:02:40,714 --> 00:02:42,714 Speaker 3: about a man's age if he's a makeup artist. We 56 00:02:42,794 --> 00:02:44,794 Speaker 3: never talk about a man's age if he's a makeup artist. 57 00:02:44,794 --> 00:02:47,514 Speaker 3: But there is still a real ageism in the industry 58 00:02:47,514 --> 00:02:47,874 Speaker 3: for women. 59 00:02:47,914 --> 00:02:50,474 Speaker 1: I think just in general, we don't talk about men's age. No, 60 00:02:50,834 --> 00:02:53,034 Speaker 1: we won't be like, oh, gosh, he's a young feet 61 00:02:53,154 --> 00:02:56,554 Speaker 1: Well sorry, we do sometimes, but it's not oh he's 62 00:02:56,554 --> 00:02:58,234 Speaker 1: too old to do that or a bit too young 63 00:02:58,274 --> 00:02:59,474 Speaker 1: to not in the same regarded it. 64 00:02:59,594 --> 00:03:01,074 Speaker 2: No, I don't. I just feel like it's not as 65 00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:02,234 Speaker 2: central to the conversation. 66 00:03:02,354 --> 00:03:05,314 Speaker 3: With men like Clint Eastwood's become a director, nobody says, oh, 67 00:03:05,474 --> 00:03:07,674 Speaker 3: he's too old to be an actor, you know, and 68 00:03:07,834 --> 00:03:10,394 Speaker 3: because he's still clear Eastwood, and he's still a magnificent actor. 69 00:03:10,434 --> 00:03:12,314 Speaker 3: And I'm sure if you wished to be on camera again, 70 00:03:12,354 --> 00:03:14,314 Speaker 3: he could do it in a heartbeat. So I think 71 00:03:14,354 --> 00:03:17,194 Speaker 3: that with women, we do tend to put them into 72 00:03:17,234 --> 00:03:18,434 Speaker 3: kind of niches related to. 73 00:03:18,474 --> 00:03:21,434 Speaker 1: Exactly and think, oh, that's great for that person because 74 00:03:21,474 --> 00:03:23,994 Speaker 1: she's in that age book. But this is fantastic for 75 00:03:24,074 --> 00:03:24,674 Speaker 1: that person. 76 00:03:24,874 --> 00:03:26,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I was very particularly with my content, 77 00:03:26,914 --> 00:03:29,674 Speaker 3: that I never wanted to position myself primarily as a 78 00:03:29,714 --> 00:03:31,274 Speaker 3: mature beauty content. 79 00:03:31,394 --> 00:03:33,594 Speaker 1: Now, I would say that you don't have your target 80 00:03:33,594 --> 00:03:35,034 Speaker 1: audiences everyone everyone. 81 00:03:35,354 --> 00:03:38,354 Speaker 3: And the thing is, I do video specifically for mature skin. 82 00:03:38,434 --> 00:03:40,874 Speaker 3: But my philosophy is that it's not just about age. 83 00:03:40,914 --> 00:03:43,714 Speaker 3: It's about skin condition and preferences. And there are people 84 00:03:43,714 --> 00:03:45,354 Speaker 3: who want a full glam at one hundred, and there 85 00:03:45,394 --> 00:03:48,474 Speaker 3: are people who want minimal glam at thirty. And you know, 86 00:03:48,634 --> 00:03:50,794 Speaker 3: it's not about saying, well, you don't get to wear 87 00:03:50,834 --> 00:03:51,954 Speaker 3: this now exactly. 88 00:03:52,034 --> 00:03:54,914 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. I have some friends that don't 89 00:03:54,914 --> 00:03:56,794 Speaker 1: wear as much makeup as my ninety four year old 90 00:03:56,794 --> 00:03:58,914 Speaker 1: grandma who has dementia. She does not know who I 91 00:03:58,954 --> 00:04:00,954 Speaker 1: am half the time. Most of the time, she still 92 00:04:00,954 --> 00:04:01,994 Speaker 1: puts lipstick on everything. 93 00:04:02,074 --> 00:04:04,954 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the muscle memory is still there, I bet yeah, yeah, 94 00:04:05,074 --> 00:04:07,274 Speaker 3: and she probably could do it without a Meriti exactly. 95 00:04:08,154 --> 00:04:11,674 Speaker 1: So you started creating videos around, like the concept of 96 00:04:11,714 --> 00:04:13,994 Speaker 1: my makeup listen didn't turn up. And then you tell 97 00:04:14,074 --> 00:04:16,474 Speaker 1: us what your day is, So then you teach us 98 00:04:16,514 --> 00:04:18,714 Speaker 1: something and what your day to day life looks like 99 00:04:18,873 --> 00:04:21,513 Speaker 1: as a full time and award winning content creator, So 100 00:04:21,634 --> 00:04:24,354 Speaker 1: explain to us what you sort of get up to. 101 00:04:24,633 --> 00:04:26,113 Speaker 3: I have to say, it surprised me a little bit 102 00:04:26,154 --> 00:04:28,354 Speaker 3: coming into this career that it is quite different how 103 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:29,273 Speaker 3: it looks online. 104 00:04:29,393 --> 00:04:31,553 Speaker 2: There was a huge percentage of my job which. 105 00:04:31,393 --> 00:04:33,794 Speaker 3: Is going around and going to events and networking with people, 106 00:04:34,113 --> 00:04:36,274 Speaker 3: like it is a full time job just in itself 107 00:04:36,274 --> 00:04:37,914 Speaker 3: doing that. I've often thought it would be great if 108 00:04:37,914 --> 00:04:39,674 Speaker 3: I could have two of me and one could just 109 00:04:39,714 --> 00:04:41,314 Speaker 3: sit in the studio and film videos all day and 110 00:04:41,313 --> 00:04:43,073 Speaker 3: the other one could run around to events all the time. 111 00:04:43,073 --> 00:04:45,714 Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't actually realize that. And 112 00:04:46,714 --> 00:04:48,553 Speaker 1: would you say that you're quite extroverted. 113 00:04:49,154 --> 00:04:52,073 Speaker 3: No, no, you need a lot of social skills, which 114 00:04:52,113 --> 00:04:54,313 Speaker 3: is a different thing. But I need the downtime and 115 00:04:54,354 --> 00:04:56,713 Speaker 3: I appreciate the downtime. So really they're being in the 116 00:04:56,714 --> 00:04:58,954 Speaker 3: studio is a relief for me to have a minute 117 00:04:58,993 --> 00:05:03,313 Speaker 3: to like calm, because as much as I love people, 118 00:05:03,354 --> 00:05:05,674 Speaker 3: I do actually need that recharging time. And a lot 119 00:05:05,714 --> 00:05:08,234 Speaker 3: of performers are like that, actually that they when they're on, 120 00:05:08,354 --> 00:05:10,794 Speaker 3: they're on, but actually they want to go home and. 121 00:05:10,753 --> 00:05:14,154 Speaker 1: Have a silent and you know literally just like cuddle 122 00:05:14,234 --> 00:05:16,513 Speaker 1: down and not speak to anyone for twenty four hours. 123 00:05:16,553 --> 00:05:19,753 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so there's a huge percentage of that. There's 124 00:05:19,753 --> 00:05:21,753 Speaker 3: a lot of strategizing and thinking about what I'm going 125 00:05:21,834 --> 00:05:24,674 Speaker 3: to do with content, how I'm planning out content, huge 126 00:05:24,714 --> 00:05:26,673 Speaker 3: amount of back and forth of reading contracts with brands. 127 00:05:26,674 --> 00:05:29,513 Speaker 3: So top tip if you've become a content creator, don't 128 00:05:29,553 --> 00:05:34,074 Speaker 3: just sign everything they send you anything. Just read every 129 00:05:34,073 --> 00:05:35,953 Speaker 3: single clause and really look at it. I've had some 130 00:05:36,034 --> 00:05:38,074 Speaker 3: doozies come in contracts. I don't have a manager of 131 00:05:38,073 --> 00:05:40,273 Speaker 3: the looks after I do, but it's always good to 132 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:43,274 Speaker 3: actually you your self take responsibility because ultimately you're signing it, 133 00:05:43,834 --> 00:05:45,794 Speaker 3: and you do have to be comfortable with what you're 134 00:05:45,794 --> 00:05:46,553 Speaker 3: saying yes and no to. 135 00:05:46,753 --> 00:05:48,753 Speaker 1: With all of the makeup lessons that you've taught and 136 00:05:48,834 --> 00:05:51,273 Speaker 1: questions that you do get from your audience, what do 137 00:05:51,354 --> 00:05:54,354 Speaker 1: you think people are most confused about when it comes 138 00:05:54,513 --> 00:05:55,073 Speaker 1: to makeup? 139 00:05:55,313 --> 00:05:56,993 Speaker 2: How to make them makeup sit right? 140 00:05:57,914 --> 00:06:00,474 Speaker 3: Like I could make endless videos about how to make 141 00:06:00,513 --> 00:06:03,313 Speaker 3: your foundation sit correctly all day. I get people going, 142 00:06:03,513 --> 00:06:05,674 Speaker 3: my makeup is separating on my nose, My makeup is 143 00:06:05,674 --> 00:06:08,394 Speaker 3: separating throughout the day, makes not sitting right around my chin, 144 00:06:08,433 --> 00:06:11,954 Speaker 3: et cetera. So here's the thing. It's become over complicated. 145 00:06:11,993 --> 00:06:14,594 Speaker 3: It's not actually complicated. It's like you're making a cake. 146 00:06:14,914 --> 00:06:15,113 Speaker 1: Right. 147 00:06:15,474 --> 00:06:17,953 Speaker 3: You have to have the liquidy bit, which might be milk, 148 00:06:17,953 --> 00:06:18,993 Speaker 3: it might be a bunch of different things. 149 00:06:19,034 --> 00:06:20,474 Speaker 2: You need an oily bit, which might be better. 150 00:06:20,513 --> 00:06:22,633 Speaker 3: It might be oil, different things, and you need flour, 151 00:06:22,633 --> 00:06:24,633 Speaker 3: and you need something to bind it all together. And 152 00:06:24,674 --> 00:06:27,513 Speaker 3: the different ratios mean, oh today I've got a crepe 153 00:06:27,674 --> 00:06:30,433 Speaker 3: or I've got a blueberry muffin, right, But it's actually 154 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:32,474 Speaker 3: all the same thing. And once you understand how those 155 00:06:32,594 --> 00:06:34,874 Speaker 3: ingredients work, you can add a bit more of one 156 00:06:34,914 --> 00:06:36,553 Speaker 3: and take away a bit more of another to make 157 00:06:36,594 --> 00:06:40,074 Speaker 3: a different thing right. So the person who's used to 158 00:06:40,113 --> 00:06:41,794 Speaker 3: baking just goes, oh, you need to put more milk 159 00:06:41,794 --> 00:06:42,034 Speaker 3: in that. 160 00:06:42,073 --> 00:06:42,594 Speaker 2: They just know. 161 00:06:42,993 --> 00:06:45,354 Speaker 3: Makeup is the same. You need some moisture. Your skin's 162 00:06:45,393 --> 00:06:47,994 Speaker 3: like a car. It needs water and oil. Not too 163 00:06:47,993 --> 00:06:51,433 Speaker 3: many layers underneath your foundation. Like there are some skincare 164 00:06:51,474 --> 00:06:54,313 Speaker 3: systems that are designed to layer more items, but for 165 00:06:54,393 --> 00:06:57,474 Speaker 3: the most part, fewer layers is better, less chance of pilling. 166 00:06:57,753 --> 00:07:00,393 Speaker 3: Put your foundation on and then stop touching it. 167 00:07:01,193 --> 00:07:02,113 Speaker 2: Like, don't keep. 168 00:07:01,953 --> 00:07:04,513 Speaker 3: Fiddling and fiddling and fiddling and fiddling, because the foundation 169 00:07:04,753 --> 00:07:07,234 Speaker 3: will often have film formers in it, and what's happening 170 00:07:07,274 --> 00:07:09,834 Speaker 3: is that you're rubbing the foundation and you're actually separating 171 00:07:09,834 --> 00:07:12,114 Speaker 3: it while it's trying to dry and set. So like 172 00:07:12,154 --> 00:07:13,914 Speaker 3: if you're icing a cake and it's the kind of 173 00:07:14,114 --> 00:07:17,314 Speaker 3: icing that sets and you've already smoothed it out, and 174 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:18,994 Speaker 3: then you keep fiddling with it, you're going to get 175 00:07:19,034 --> 00:07:20,754 Speaker 3: like finger marks in it and it won't settle. 176 00:07:21,154 --> 00:07:21,354 Speaker 1: Yep. 177 00:07:21,794 --> 00:07:23,674 Speaker 3: So foundation is the same. You need to spread it 178 00:07:23,714 --> 00:07:25,674 Speaker 3: and once it's looking right, just stop touching it. Let 179 00:07:25,714 --> 00:07:28,114 Speaker 3: it air dry powder with a puff. That's the end 180 00:07:28,154 --> 00:07:30,554 Speaker 3: of story. So I'm just don't do so much stuff. 181 00:07:31,034 --> 00:07:31,914 Speaker 1: What's your skin like? 182 00:07:32,514 --> 00:07:35,234 Speaker 3: So I have rhisasa, Yeah, so I have some discoloration, 183 00:07:35,794 --> 00:07:38,074 Speaker 3: but my texture is reasonable, Like, my texture is decent. 184 00:07:38,154 --> 00:07:41,794 Speaker 1: Because I've obviously sat across from many a makeup artist, 185 00:07:42,194 --> 00:07:46,354 Speaker 1: many a content creator. You have quite possibly the most 186 00:07:46,994 --> 00:07:49,434 Speaker 1: ai looking skin I've ever seen in my life. 187 00:07:49,554 --> 00:07:52,474 Speaker 3: That's the underpainting, baby, it is. That's the underpainting. 188 00:07:52,634 --> 00:07:55,153 Speaker 1: I don't even know. If you're not watching this on YouTube, 189 00:07:55,154 --> 00:07:59,033 Speaker 1: please go over to YouTube. It looks actually flawless, like 190 00:07:59,074 --> 00:08:01,874 Speaker 1: as if it was your face first filter. I am 191 00:08:01,953 --> 00:08:06,994 Speaker 1: confirming on the record, it is spectacular. Thank you like it. 192 00:08:07,514 --> 00:08:10,394 Speaker 1: It's true artistry what you've done. Then if you've got rosetia, 193 00:08:10,514 --> 00:08:13,554 Speaker 1: you're saying because your skin rosettuem pigmentation is just. 194 00:08:13,834 --> 00:08:17,914 Speaker 3: Spectacular, Like, it's true art So all right. So the 195 00:08:17,953 --> 00:08:19,994 Speaker 3: method that I do is called underpainting. It is a 196 00:08:20,074 --> 00:08:22,194 Speaker 3: very very old school method. I did not invent. It 197 00:08:22,234 --> 00:08:24,674 Speaker 3: is something that I've done for many years. I first 198 00:08:24,714 --> 00:08:26,714 Speaker 3: read about it in the Art of Makeup by Kevin 199 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:28,954 Speaker 3: O quint which I think was printed like mid nineties, 200 00:08:29,354 --> 00:08:31,354 Speaker 3: but it's existed even long before him. 201 00:08:31,474 --> 00:08:32,554 Speaker 2: You know, go rest your salt. 202 00:08:32,834 --> 00:08:35,194 Speaker 3: So with underpainting, what you're doing is you're using light 203 00:08:35,234 --> 00:08:38,074 Speaker 3: and duck underneath the foundation, and it affects the way 204 00:08:38,274 --> 00:08:40,914 Speaker 3: that the light bounces off the skin. The other reason 205 00:08:40,914 --> 00:08:42,634 Speaker 3: why I do it is that it makes the perfect base, 206 00:08:42,674 --> 00:08:45,034 Speaker 3: so your foundation always goes on perfectly no matter what. 207 00:08:45,114 --> 00:08:47,594 Speaker 3: So I can put any foundation over underpainting and it 208 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:50,834 Speaker 3: will all look gorgeous, all of it, any brand, any formula, 209 00:08:50,954 --> 00:08:53,234 Speaker 3: any finish, and it just like it acts like a 210 00:08:53,274 --> 00:08:56,434 Speaker 3: base layer and then everything just glides over the top. 211 00:08:56,674 --> 00:08:57,594 Speaker 2: And then I do my foundation. 212 00:08:57,634 --> 00:08:59,234 Speaker 3: I let it air dry, I do not touch it, 213 00:08:59,314 --> 00:09:01,314 Speaker 3: do my eyebrows, do eyes, do something else, and then 214 00:09:01,314 --> 00:09:04,954 Speaker 3: I come back, powder puff and press the powder in. 215 00:09:05,154 --> 00:09:08,434 Speaker 2: Do not fliffle around. You don't want to disturb. 216 00:09:08,794 --> 00:09:11,594 Speaker 1: And is that when you're going with like bronzes and blushes, 217 00:09:11,954 --> 00:09:13,674 Speaker 1: and you won't need as much. 218 00:09:13,554 --> 00:09:15,914 Speaker 3: Because you're underpainted as well, because you've underpainted and it's 219 00:09:15,954 --> 00:09:18,474 Speaker 3: given dimension to the skin. So the hardest thing to 220 00:09:18,514 --> 00:09:20,634 Speaker 3: do in makeup is to make skin look like skin 221 00:09:20,754 --> 00:09:23,754 Speaker 3: and not look like a weird, one dimensional, flat kind 222 00:09:23,754 --> 00:09:27,994 Speaker 3: of blob. So natural skin has variation of color and 223 00:09:28,114 --> 00:09:30,834 Speaker 3: reflects the light differently in different parts of the face. 224 00:09:30,914 --> 00:09:33,314 Speaker 3: And if you look at somebody who's got like naturally 225 00:09:33,474 --> 00:09:37,194 Speaker 3: unbelievably beautiful skin, it is actually slightly different colors in 226 00:09:37,234 --> 00:09:40,114 Speaker 3: different areas. So a lot of what makeup artists are doing, 227 00:09:40,154 --> 00:09:42,794 Speaker 3: and the reason why makeup artists do make up differently, 228 00:09:42,994 --> 00:09:44,874 Speaker 3: you know, to how the normal person does it at home, 229 00:09:45,394 --> 00:09:49,354 Speaker 3: is that they are mimicking that natural variation of color 230 00:09:49,754 --> 00:09:52,514 Speaker 3: that makes a face look three dimensional and real and 231 00:09:52,994 --> 00:09:55,034 Speaker 3: you know, just looks right to the eye that your 232 00:09:55,074 --> 00:09:57,154 Speaker 3: eye automatically says, yes, that looks correct. 233 00:09:57,634 --> 00:09:58,474 Speaker 2: So there's a. 234 00:09:58,394 --> 00:10:00,514 Speaker 3: Few different ways to do it. Every artist has got 235 00:10:00,554 --> 00:10:03,434 Speaker 3: their own way. I personally feel that underpainting is the 236 00:10:03,594 --> 00:10:06,514 Speaker 3: Rolls Royce method of doing that because it looks great 237 00:10:06,554 --> 00:10:08,674 Speaker 3: in person you're sitting, you know, meet away from me. 238 00:10:08,874 --> 00:10:11,274 Speaker 3: Looks great in person, looks great on camera, looks great 239 00:10:11,274 --> 00:10:13,474 Speaker 3: with a flash, looks great in natural light, looks great 240 00:10:13,514 --> 00:10:16,874 Speaker 3: on stage like it works in literally every lighting situation, 241 00:10:17,074 --> 00:10:20,234 Speaker 3: every age group. The oldest person I've ever done this 242 00:10:20,314 --> 00:10:22,594 Speaker 3: method on was one hundred and one. Oh my god, 243 00:10:23,074 --> 00:10:27,234 Speaker 3: she said, I made her look eighty. Oh what I love. 244 00:10:27,194 --> 00:10:28,994 Speaker 2: Her really like. 245 00:10:29,114 --> 00:10:31,914 Speaker 3: So even on a very very wrinkled skin, you can 246 00:10:31,954 --> 00:10:34,074 Speaker 3: do this even on a very textured skin. You can 247 00:10:34,114 --> 00:10:36,194 Speaker 3: do this even if you have acne scarring or whatever. 248 00:10:36,674 --> 00:10:40,194 Speaker 3: So it's because it's so flattering. And the mistake I 249 00:10:40,274 --> 00:10:42,794 Speaker 3: see a lot when people are trying to up their 250 00:10:42,834 --> 00:10:46,194 Speaker 3: glam is putting too much stuff on top of the foundation. 251 00:10:46,714 --> 00:10:48,834 Speaker 2: That is what shows texture, and that's what makes. 252 00:10:48,634 --> 00:10:51,994 Speaker 1: Makeup look like cakey muddy and caky muddy. 253 00:10:52,474 --> 00:10:57,274 Speaker 3: Accentuating texture, accentuating lines, accentuating pause, etc. You know, looks 254 00:10:57,274 --> 00:11:00,234 Speaker 3: okay on camera, it doesn't look so great in person. Yeah, 255 00:11:00,514 --> 00:11:01,274 Speaker 3: where we go the other. 256 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:03,714 Speaker 1: Way you've done. Would you consider what you've done to say, 257 00:11:03,754 --> 00:11:07,114 Speaker 1: like a full glam? Yeah, I've got this medium to fall. Yeah, definitely. 258 00:11:07,114 --> 00:11:08,554 Speaker 1: How long would that take you? Roughly? 259 00:11:09,194 --> 00:11:11,394 Speaker 3: So I did my makeup at six am, and I've 260 00:11:11,394 --> 00:11:13,034 Speaker 3: done a little bit of powder and lips. That's it 261 00:11:13,314 --> 00:11:15,754 Speaker 3: like to touch up. If I'm filming, it takes longer. 262 00:11:15,794 --> 00:11:18,474 Speaker 3: So I almost always film my makeup because that's amazing 263 00:11:18,634 --> 00:11:20,634 Speaker 3: because it's yeah, you know, doing it, may as well 264 00:11:20,634 --> 00:11:22,634 Speaker 3: film it. So if I'm filming, it's like an hour 265 00:11:22,674 --> 00:11:24,634 Speaker 3: and a half because you've got to stop and start 266 00:11:24,674 --> 00:11:26,434 Speaker 3: and talk. If I'm just locking in and doing it, 267 00:11:26,434 --> 00:11:28,474 Speaker 3: I can do it in forty five, okay, but I 268 00:11:28,634 --> 00:11:29,114 Speaker 3: like longer. 269 00:11:29,154 --> 00:11:30,314 Speaker 2: If I have it, I like longer. 270 00:11:30,394 --> 00:11:31,834 Speaker 1: I love to dilly dally. 271 00:11:33,434 --> 00:11:35,354 Speaker 2: You know, put some tunes on. 272 00:11:35,594 --> 00:11:37,674 Speaker 3: And my top tip is if you really want to 273 00:11:37,714 --> 00:11:40,354 Speaker 3: look super duper amazing for something, is do you make 274 00:11:40,434 --> 00:11:43,594 Speaker 3: up right and then go and get dressed and put 275 00:11:43,634 --> 00:11:45,034 Speaker 3: a tune on and have a little bit of awe 276 00:11:45,194 --> 00:11:46,794 Speaker 3: and then take a step back and look at your 277 00:11:46,794 --> 00:11:49,674 Speaker 3: makeup in a mirror from a little bit of a distance, 278 00:11:50,154 --> 00:11:52,794 Speaker 3: because the things we fixate on when the mirror is 279 00:11:52,874 --> 00:11:55,994 Speaker 3: right here sometimes can make the face out of balance. 280 00:11:56,394 --> 00:11:57,994 Speaker 3: And when you stand back and you can see it 281 00:11:58,034 --> 00:11:59,514 Speaker 3: as a picture, this is how it looks with the 282 00:11:59,594 --> 00:12:01,714 Speaker 3: dress and with the hair and everything together in context, 283 00:12:01,914 --> 00:12:03,554 Speaker 3: you can see things and go, oh, hang on, I 284 00:12:03,594 --> 00:12:05,234 Speaker 3: think in a little bit more eyebrow, or I think 285 00:12:05,234 --> 00:12:06,714 Speaker 3: I need a bit more blush, or I think I need 286 00:12:06,714 --> 00:12:09,554 Speaker 3: a little bit less this or more that. And it's 287 00:12:09,674 --> 00:12:13,394 Speaker 3: the makeup settles in the skin. So my best best 288 00:12:13,434 --> 00:12:15,874 Speaker 3: best GLAMs, I would say, I do the makeup, let 289 00:12:15,914 --> 00:12:19,554 Speaker 3: it settle, do something else, and then come back and go, okay, 290 00:12:19,594 --> 00:12:21,794 Speaker 3: what does the face need? And it's those little tweaks 291 00:12:22,194 --> 00:12:24,314 Speaker 3: in the last ten minutes. It makes the difference between 292 00:12:24,394 --> 00:12:26,554 Speaker 3: this is a good glam and this is a fabulous glam. 293 00:12:27,474 --> 00:12:30,234 Speaker 1: I'd love to see like some of your favorite fabulous GLAMs. 294 00:12:30,514 --> 00:12:31,953 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you can go and check them out 295 00:12:31,954 --> 00:12:32,434 Speaker 2: of my channel. 296 00:12:33,714 --> 00:12:35,554 Speaker 1: Do you say this is like one of my favorite 297 00:12:35,554 --> 00:12:36,594 Speaker 1: looks that I've ever done? 298 00:12:36,714 --> 00:12:37,034 Speaker 2: I had? 299 00:12:37,074 --> 00:12:38,674 Speaker 3: I actually had one last week that I was going 300 00:12:38,674 --> 00:12:40,914 Speaker 3: to there as a premiere of The Great Gatsby Ballet. 301 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:42,954 Speaker 3: And if I do so so myself, I think it's 302 00:12:42,954 --> 00:12:45,074 Speaker 3: the best bed I've done on myself in a hot minute. Okay, 303 00:12:45,114 --> 00:12:46,594 Speaker 3: but that was one where I had that time, like 304 00:12:46,634 --> 00:12:48,594 Speaker 3: I did my face and then I went, I'm going 305 00:12:48,674 --> 00:12:50,114 Speaker 3: to go and put my dress on and make a 306 00:12:50,114 --> 00:12:51,754 Speaker 3: cup of tea and this and that, let it settle, 307 00:12:51,794 --> 00:12:54,554 Speaker 3: and then I came back yeah and went, okay, let's have. 308 00:12:54,514 --> 00:12:55,514 Speaker 2: A really really good look. 309 00:12:55,634 --> 00:12:57,994 Speaker 3: What do I want to tweak or change? And same 310 00:12:57,994 --> 00:13:00,154 Speaker 3: thing for clients. That's how I like to work. So 311 00:13:00,234 --> 00:13:02,434 Speaker 3: if they have time in their schedule, I like to 312 00:13:02,474 --> 00:13:04,474 Speaker 3: do their makeup and then go, okay, let's do hair, 313 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:05,914 Speaker 3: have a cup of tea, you. 314 00:13:05,874 --> 00:13:08,514 Speaker 2: Know, wash hands, tie them kid, whatever, put your dress on. 315 00:13:08,594 --> 00:13:10,314 Speaker 3: Let's have a look. And then I go in and 316 00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:12,154 Speaker 3: I almost redo the makeup because and. 317 00:13:12,154 --> 00:13:14,674 Speaker 1: Then as well, when you see the whole look like 318 00:13:14,754 --> 00:13:17,234 Speaker 1: with the hair, with the jewelry, with the outfit there 319 00:13:17,674 --> 00:13:19,594 Speaker 1: there are several things that you might want to change 320 00:13:19,594 --> 00:13:21,834 Speaker 1: because it is it just changes the look so much. 321 00:13:21,914 --> 00:13:22,194 Speaker 2: Yeah. 322 00:13:22,234 --> 00:13:24,154 Speaker 3: And it's even things like being so aware of like 323 00:13:24,194 --> 00:13:26,554 Speaker 3: what color are you wearing where you're getting ready? Yeah, 324 00:13:26,594 --> 00:13:28,434 Speaker 3: and what color are you wearing when you're going out? 325 00:13:28,794 --> 00:13:31,754 Speaker 3: And as much as you can, it's not always practical, 326 00:13:31,794 --> 00:13:34,154 Speaker 3: but if you can be wearing a similar color when 327 00:13:34,154 --> 00:13:37,354 Speaker 3: you're getting ready so that you will automatically adjust the 328 00:13:37,354 --> 00:13:39,794 Speaker 3: color palette in your such a good stripe. 329 00:13:40,074 --> 00:13:40,354 Speaker 2: Yeah. 330 00:13:40,394 --> 00:13:44,634 Speaker 3: So brides, please do your bridle trial and white if 331 00:13:44,634 --> 00:13:47,394 Speaker 3: you're wearing white on your weay and a nice and 332 00:13:47,434 --> 00:13:50,434 Speaker 3: not a T shirt, not a T shirt, like go 333 00:13:50,474 --> 00:13:52,594 Speaker 3: on by yourself, a little like cami, Yeah, like a 334 00:13:52,594 --> 00:13:55,114 Speaker 3: little cute camei or something like something pretty. Put on 335 00:13:55,154 --> 00:13:57,434 Speaker 3: some nice jewelry, put your hair up, and go and 336 00:13:57,434 --> 00:13:59,834 Speaker 3: get your bridle trail in something that feels a bit 337 00:13:59,874 --> 00:14:02,954 Speaker 3: more glam. Yeah, and that is as similar as possible 338 00:14:02,994 --> 00:14:05,354 Speaker 3: to your actual wedding outfit. It will make all the 339 00:14:05,394 --> 00:14:07,514 Speaker 3: difference to being able to visualize as a go. 340 00:14:07,674 --> 00:14:08,394 Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna do. 341 00:14:08,554 --> 00:14:17,234 Speaker 1: I love that tip so much. What advice would you 342 00:14:17,274 --> 00:14:19,754 Speaker 1: give to someone who's like, oh, you know, I'm a 343 00:14:19,794 --> 00:14:21,594 Speaker 1: little bit too old or I'm a little bit too 344 00:14:21,674 --> 00:14:24,434 Speaker 1: late learning about makeup. I just don't know where to start. 345 00:14:25,034 --> 00:14:25,954 Speaker 1: Go watch your content. 346 00:14:26,594 --> 00:14:28,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, well a come and watch my channel, but be 347 00:14:28,994 --> 00:14:31,234 Speaker 3: You know, IRA's apt full was rocking all the way 348 00:14:31,234 --> 00:14:34,194 Speaker 3: through into her nineties and it was never a bad age, 349 00:14:34,354 --> 00:14:36,074 Speaker 3: it was never aboad age. That's who she is, and 350 00:14:36,114 --> 00:14:38,554 Speaker 3: she's fabulous, you know, just just got a wonderful sense 351 00:14:38,554 --> 00:14:41,074 Speaker 3: of style. And I'm a huge believer that you do 352 00:14:41,274 --> 00:14:43,874 Speaker 3: know inside somewhere how you really want to be and 353 00:14:43,914 --> 00:14:45,954 Speaker 3: how you want to be in the world. And it's 354 00:14:45,994 --> 00:14:50,194 Speaker 3: about allowing yourself to listen to that instead of suppressing 355 00:14:50,234 --> 00:14:51,674 Speaker 3: it and squashing it down. 356 00:14:51,554 --> 00:14:54,874 Speaker 1: And trying to be a version of yourself that maybe 357 00:14:55,074 --> 00:14:57,674 Speaker 1: you think other people want you to be or trying 358 00:14:57,714 --> 00:14:57,834 Speaker 1: to be. 359 00:14:57,914 --> 00:15:00,714 Speaker 2: The truth is, no one cares, like no one's. 360 00:15:00,354 --> 00:15:01,594 Speaker 1: Too busy looking at themselves. 361 00:15:01,674 --> 00:15:04,594 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you want to rock an electric blue eyeliner, 362 00:15:04,914 --> 00:15:06,474 Speaker 3: go and do that. You know, if you want to 363 00:15:06,554 --> 00:15:08,714 Speaker 3: rock a bright red lip, Go and do that. If 364 00:15:08,714 --> 00:15:10,034 Speaker 3: you want to do lots of makeup, do it, you 365 00:15:10,074 --> 00:15:12,954 Speaker 3: want to do no makeup, do it like. It's not 366 00:15:13,074 --> 00:15:16,194 Speaker 3: about age. It's not about age. And I think women 367 00:15:16,194 --> 00:15:19,794 Speaker 3: in particular are so vulnerable to messaging about oh, when 368 00:15:19,834 --> 00:15:22,514 Speaker 3: you need to tone it down, you need to tone 369 00:15:22,594 --> 00:15:24,434 Speaker 3: it down. We're not telling men to tone it down. 370 00:15:24,834 --> 00:15:28,074 Speaker 3: I've never seen an article beard styles for men over forty, 371 00:15:28,994 --> 00:15:32,554 Speaker 3: you know, like ever in my whole life, So no 372 00:15:32,594 --> 00:15:35,354 Speaker 3: one's telling them. Or you can't wear a leather jacket anymore, 373 00:15:35,514 --> 00:15:38,314 Speaker 3: you can't cut your hair like that, or you. 374 00:15:38,274 --> 00:15:39,474 Speaker 1: Know, wear certain fragrance. 375 00:15:39,554 --> 00:15:40,994 Speaker 2: Oh no, you know. 376 00:15:41,194 --> 00:15:43,194 Speaker 3: And in fact, I think we respect a man who 377 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:45,994 Speaker 3: keeps himself looking sharp and exactly has a bit. 378 00:15:45,874 --> 00:15:46,274 Speaker 2: Of a vie. 379 00:15:46,354 --> 00:15:47,954 Speaker 1: May become like daddy or a girl. 380 00:15:48,074 --> 00:15:50,034 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know, got a bit of a vibe 381 00:15:50,034 --> 00:15:52,514 Speaker 2: going on. And there is no reason. 382 00:15:52,794 --> 00:15:55,514 Speaker 3: If you want to and you still want to rock 383 00:15:55,554 --> 00:15:56,794 Speaker 3: a red lip, you should do that. You want to 384 00:15:56,834 --> 00:15:59,674 Speaker 3: wear litter, you should do it. And it's about like 385 00:16:00,194 --> 00:16:07,474 Speaker 3: respecting your true self and enjoying adorning yourself. Like cup 386 00:16:07,554 --> 00:16:11,034 Speaker 3: goes back into every single human civilization ever studied. They've 387 00:16:11,034 --> 00:16:14,074 Speaker 3: found evidence of hair color from three hundred thousand years ago. 388 00:16:14,594 --> 00:16:15,794 Speaker 3: That is how far back it got. 389 00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:16,954 Speaker 1: That's insane, isn't it. 390 00:16:16,994 --> 00:16:20,354 Speaker 3: All human civilizations ever studied have all beautified themselves, have 391 00:16:20,394 --> 00:16:23,954 Speaker 3: all adorned themselves, have all painted themselves, And it seems 392 00:16:23,994 --> 00:16:26,954 Speaker 3: to be intrinsic to the human psyche. And I think 393 00:16:26,994 --> 00:16:30,434 Speaker 3: if it gives you joy paint yourself. 394 00:16:30,154 --> 00:16:33,434 Speaker 1: It does well for many people. It makes us feel 395 00:16:33,474 --> 00:16:37,434 Speaker 1: really nice. Yeah, Like you think about the days where 396 00:16:37,474 --> 00:16:39,554 Speaker 1: I actually put in that little bit of effort rather 397 00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:42,154 Speaker 1: than the days where I just just look like Adam 398 00:16:42,194 --> 00:16:45,474 Speaker 1: Sandler at home slapping about Like it's the difference is 399 00:16:45,474 --> 00:16:46,594 Speaker 1: actually remarkable. 400 00:16:46,754 --> 00:16:47,034 Speaker 2: Yeah. 401 00:16:47,194 --> 00:16:48,834 Speaker 3: And it's not about saying you have to meet a 402 00:16:48,874 --> 00:16:51,794 Speaker 3: particular beauty standard or anything like that. Like one of 403 00:16:51,874 --> 00:16:53,234 Speaker 3: the things I've been thinking about a lot is this 404 00:16:53,274 --> 00:16:55,794 Speaker 3: whole sort of clean girl thing I think is actually 405 00:16:55,794 --> 00:16:57,554 Speaker 3: just another unattainable beauty standard. 406 00:16:57,674 --> 00:17:00,674 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's you're basically the clean girl is actually 407 00:17:00,754 --> 00:17:03,434 Speaker 1: just a twenty year old that has such great skin 408 00:17:03,474 --> 00:17:05,474 Speaker 1: that she doesn't need a filter, yeah, and a filter 409 00:17:05,674 --> 00:17:08,354 Speaker 1: that she's not wearing that much, mate, and plus surgery. Yeah, 410 00:17:08,434 --> 00:17:09,874 Speaker 1: Like it's actually not real. 411 00:17:10,273 --> 00:17:13,033 Speaker 3: No, it's not real and you know, it is just 412 00:17:13,074 --> 00:17:16,154 Speaker 3: another unattainable beauty standard. And it also suggests that people 413 00:17:16,154 --> 00:17:18,354 Speaker 3: who do wear makeup are do dirty well you know, 414 00:17:18,394 --> 00:17:20,954 Speaker 3: which is not very nice. So it's I just think 415 00:17:21,194 --> 00:17:23,593 Speaker 3: Colleen makeup. What so other makeups dirty? 416 00:17:23,914 --> 00:17:24,114 Speaker 2: Yeah? 417 00:17:24,114 --> 00:17:25,714 Speaker 1: Other makeup killing your market? 418 00:17:25,874 --> 00:17:29,394 Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm not about that. So my philosophy is 419 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,274 Speaker 3: it is okay to adorn yourself. It is a self 420 00:17:32,314 --> 00:17:35,194 Speaker 3: care thing. It is actually about saying this is who 421 00:17:35,274 --> 00:17:36,594 Speaker 3: I am, and this is how I want to present 422 00:17:36,594 --> 00:17:38,513 Speaker 3: myself to the world and taking ownership of that and 423 00:17:38,634 --> 00:17:41,513 Speaker 3: enjoying that whatever that is for you. And everybody's different 424 00:17:41,514 --> 00:17:43,914 Speaker 3: how they like it, but there is no age limit 425 00:17:43,954 --> 00:17:44,794 Speaker 3: on being fabulous. 426 00:17:45,074 --> 00:17:45,434 Speaker 2: Love that. 427 00:17:45,434 --> 00:17:48,914 Speaker 1: That's wise words to live by. How has the way 428 00:17:49,154 --> 00:17:51,394 Speaker 1: that you do your makeup changed over the last few years? 429 00:17:51,394 --> 00:17:54,033 Speaker 1: If it has, like would you say that how you 430 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,674 Speaker 1: do your makeup on camera is the same as how 431 00:17:56,714 --> 00:17:58,714 Speaker 1: you would just do it in regular life. 432 00:17:58,834 --> 00:18:01,634 Speaker 3: The biggest thing is that I've really fused like what 433 00:18:01,634 --> 00:18:03,313 Speaker 3: I would call my stage face and the what I 434 00:18:03,354 --> 00:18:05,634 Speaker 3: wear in person, so they are one and the same. 435 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:08,754 Speaker 3: And it was very important me with my channel that 436 00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:11,594 Speaker 3: I'm showing what is possible with makeup and what's not, 437 00:18:12,274 --> 00:18:13,954 Speaker 3: and that you can see what it really looks like 438 00:18:13,994 --> 00:18:16,234 Speaker 3: without a filter, and that you can see what is 439 00:18:16,354 --> 00:18:20,793 Speaker 3: actually physically achievable. I started out in this industry working 440 00:18:20,794 --> 00:18:24,234 Speaker 3: into those photo studios, like the makeover studios, the glamour Yeah, 441 00:18:24,274 --> 00:18:26,674 Speaker 3: and you know they're all filtered to the high heavens 442 00:18:26,714 --> 00:18:28,154 Speaker 3: and edited and this and that and the other. It 443 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:31,874 Speaker 3: always kind of bothered me because you know, your gorgeous 444 00:18:31,874 --> 00:18:35,033 Speaker 3: as you are, and we can do beautiful work that 445 00:18:35,074 --> 00:18:37,874 Speaker 3: doesn't need to be heavily edited. And there's so much 446 00:18:37,914 --> 00:18:40,994 Speaker 3: online now that is fake. You've got full AI creators, 447 00:18:41,034 --> 00:18:44,074 Speaker 3: you've got fully filtered channels, everything, And I really wanted 448 00:18:44,074 --> 00:18:46,313 Speaker 3: it to be about, look, this is really how my 449 00:18:46,394 --> 00:18:50,034 Speaker 3: makeup actually really looks on a normal person who has roseasure, 450 00:18:50,194 --> 00:18:53,033 Speaker 3: who has flaws, and you know, it is possible to 451 00:18:53,034 --> 00:18:55,154 Speaker 3: do beautiful work. So the real as is that I 452 00:18:55,194 --> 00:18:57,634 Speaker 3: think the camera actually is a great teacher, particularly if 453 00:18:57,634 --> 00:18:59,634 Speaker 3: you're discipline yourself and you don't, you know, filter the 454 00:18:59,794 --> 00:19:02,874 Speaker 3: Jesus out of everything, because the camera sees everything. It 455 00:19:02,954 --> 00:19:07,554 Speaker 3: sees every little tiny lash, every bit of eyebrow, this. 456 00:19:07,514 --> 00:19:07,834 Speaker 2: Every that. 457 00:19:07,994 --> 00:19:10,194 Speaker 3: So I feel, if anything, my makeup works gotten better. 458 00:19:10,674 --> 00:19:13,194 Speaker 3: So I would say to any aspiring makeup artists, film 459 00:19:13,234 --> 00:19:15,994 Speaker 3: and photograph your work all the time, and zoom in, 460 00:19:16,074 --> 00:19:17,594 Speaker 3: have a look, zoom in, have a look. 461 00:19:17,754 --> 00:19:20,954 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've actually heard other creators say that as well, 462 00:19:21,034 --> 00:19:26,154 Speaker 1: that it's sometimes the difference and extra five minutes make yes, 463 00:19:26,394 --> 00:19:27,314 Speaker 1: like putting. 464 00:19:26,954 --> 00:19:31,114 Speaker 3: On a lash, little things, just cleaning up a line somewhere, 465 00:19:31,594 --> 00:19:34,114 Speaker 3: or just tweaking the eyebrows slightly, like to get my 466 00:19:34,154 --> 00:19:36,513 Speaker 3: eyebrows exactly how I want them. That's a good, solid 467 00:19:36,514 --> 00:19:40,074 Speaker 3: twenty minutes, like is long, That is just eyebrows. 468 00:19:40,914 --> 00:19:43,834 Speaker 1: I just that is terrifying to the average person though, 469 00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:46,074 Speaker 1: because I hear that and I go, oh, dear Lord, 470 00:19:46,074 --> 00:19:49,154 Speaker 1: because I honestly spend about twenty seconds doing mine. 471 00:19:49,354 --> 00:19:52,314 Speaker 3: Okay, So this is how I would manage your time 472 00:19:52,354 --> 00:19:54,994 Speaker 3: doing your own makeup. For a normal person, half the 473 00:19:55,034 --> 00:19:57,954 Speaker 3: time needs to be complexion. So that is your skincare. 474 00:19:57,954 --> 00:20:01,114 Speaker 3: That is your blush, foundation, bronze are anything that's on 475 00:20:01,154 --> 00:20:02,874 Speaker 3: your skin, because that is a majority of your face 476 00:20:02,914 --> 00:20:03,554 Speaker 3: is your complexion. 477 00:20:03,634 --> 00:20:05,234 Speaker 2: So if you've got five minutes, that's two and a 478 00:20:05,274 --> 00:20:06,194 Speaker 2: half minutes, right. 479 00:20:06,514 --> 00:20:09,154 Speaker 3: The rest of the time is focused on framing, so 480 00:20:09,234 --> 00:20:11,474 Speaker 3: that is your brow, your lash, and your lip, because 481 00:20:11,474 --> 00:20:13,593 Speaker 3: that is what we see when we glance at you, 482 00:20:14,434 --> 00:20:16,674 Speaker 3: is your eyebrow shape, whatever's happening with your lash and 483 00:20:16,674 --> 00:20:18,554 Speaker 3: your lash line, and whatever is happening with your lip. 484 00:20:19,234 --> 00:20:22,074 Speaker 3: Eyes we don't really see, like unless you do the 485 00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,354 Speaker 3: eaggest eye makeup and the whole unless you're close to 486 00:20:24,394 --> 00:20:27,634 Speaker 3: someone with your eyes open. Honestly, we don't really see 487 00:20:27,634 --> 00:20:29,714 Speaker 3: the detail of eye makeup terribly much. So if you 488 00:20:29,754 --> 00:20:32,234 Speaker 3: are short on time, that is where just sticks and 489 00:20:32,234 --> 00:20:33,994 Speaker 3: bronze are on your eyelids and off you go. You 490 00:20:34,034 --> 00:20:36,474 Speaker 3: don't need to spend all day on that. But sometimes 491 00:20:36,474 --> 00:20:38,834 Speaker 3: that extra minute to put some more masca on special 492 00:20:38,834 --> 00:20:41,474 Speaker 3: if you've got really fair lashes, really sparse slashes, or 493 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:43,553 Speaker 3: that extra minute to just tweak your eyebrow shape and 494 00:20:43,554 --> 00:20:45,634 Speaker 3: get it how you want it, that is what's going 495 00:20:45,714 --> 00:20:48,354 Speaker 3: to move the needle more than spending six hours trying 496 00:20:48,394 --> 00:20:49,474 Speaker 3: to perfect a smoky. 497 00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:52,154 Speaker 1: Eye, yeah, when you only had five minutes to begin with. 498 00:20:52,874 --> 00:20:54,714 Speaker 1: I also find the older I get, the more my 499 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,994 Speaker 1: lips disappear, so I really need to line them to 500 00:20:57,074 --> 00:20:57,634 Speaker 1: make me not. 501 00:20:57,594 --> 00:21:00,194 Speaker 3: Look yes, or they get less pigmented as well. So 502 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:02,714 Speaker 3: that's where like the color that you wore at twenty 503 00:21:02,874 --> 00:21:04,634 Speaker 3: To get the same result, you might need to go 504 00:21:04,634 --> 00:21:07,114 Speaker 3: to something more pigmented for it to read the same. 505 00:21:07,234 --> 00:21:08,994 Speaker 2: Like I love a nude lip. I'm huge on a 506 00:21:09,074 --> 00:21:09,754 Speaker 2: nude lip. 507 00:21:09,754 --> 00:21:12,354 Speaker 3: But I have found that as I've gotten older, I 508 00:21:12,394 --> 00:21:14,394 Speaker 3: need to have slightly more pigmented nude lip, whereas I 509 00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:16,234 Speaker 3: could do like the full consialer. 510 00:21:15,874 --> 00:21:18,154 Speaker 2: Lip back in the day. Yeah, like I was a 511 00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:18,954 Speaker 2: macmth girl. 512 00:21:18,994 --> 00:21:21,033 Speaker 3: I still love macmth to be honest, but you know 513 00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:22,994 Speaker 3: I could do a full concila lip because my natural 514 00:21:22,994 --> 00:21:25,914 Speaker 3: lips were so pink at twenty that it would end 515 00:21:25,954 --> 00:21:29,034 Speaker 3: up turning into a more flattering color you know, wears 516 00:21:29,074 --> 00:21:30,793 Speaker 3: and settles on the on the lips. But I have 517 00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:32,714 Speaker 3: to wear slightly more color now for it to still 518 00:21:32,754 --> 00:21:34,194 Speaker 3: read as a lovely nood that's not. 519 00:21:34,634 --> 00:21:35,314 Speaker 2: Too washed out. 520 00:21:35,434 --> 00:21:37,674 Speaker 1: So to it with nerds same color as your gum. 521 00:21:38,274 --> 00:21:40,994 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that is such a good tip. I've never 522 00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:41,714 Speaker 1: heard someone say. 523 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,313 Speaker 3: It will always fuse absolutely perfectly with your features and 524 00:21:44,314 --> 00:21:44,833 Speaker 3: your coloring. 525 00:21:44,914 --> 00:21:47,033 Speaker 1: So that's how people can know if that's the right 526 00:21:47,074 --> 00:21:50,154 Speaker 1: nude for them. Unless you're like what got ginger bitis 527 00:21:50,194 --> 00:21:50,394 Speaker 1: or whatever? 528 00:21:50,794 --> 00:21:53,914 Speaker 3: You've got some other problems before you get makeup shopping. 529 00:21:53,954 --> 00:21:58,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, can you run us through your face today? Because, 530 00:21:58,114 --> 00:22:01,914 Speaker 1: as I've already told everyone, my, my, my, it's glorious. 531 00:22:02,194 --> 00:22:04,354 Speaker 1: So what are some of the products it used? 532 00:22:04,474 --> 00:22:07,954 Speaker 3: Okay, so moisturizer is my favorite on really I love 533 00:22:08,034 --> 00:22:10,474 Speaker 3: her so the on real lease, it's a really old 534 00:22:10,514 --> 00:22:12,594 Speaker 3: school French pharmacy moisturizer. 535 00:22:12,714 --> 00:22:14,154 Speaker 2: It's not super bougie. 536 00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:16,553 Speaker 3: She goes everywhere in my bag with me because I 537 00:22:16,634 --> 00:22:18,474 Speaker 3: use her as a cleanser, I use her as a mask, 538 00:22:18,514 --> 00:22:19,994 Speaker 3: I use her as a primer, so she's like a 539 00:22:19,994 --> 00:22:22,553 Speaker 3: one step and forget. I do always wear sunscreen if 540 00:22:22,554 --> 00:22:24,114 Speaker 3: it's during the day, So today I have on the 541 00:22:24,154 --> 00:22:27,954 Speaker 3: Mecha one to save face. So that's a fifty plus 542 00:22:28,074 --> 00:22:29,994 Speaker 3: and it's beautiful texture. It almost just feels like a 543 00:22:30,114 --> 00:22:33,114 Speaker 3: very light moisturizer, so you're not aware that it's like sunscreening. 544 00:22:33,474 --> 00:22:35,674 Speaker 3: I have my underpaint, so that's the croyl and TV 545 00:22:35,794 --> 00:22:39,394 Speaker 3: paint sticks. Foundation is Mac Studio Radiance, which I have 546 00:22:39,434 --> 00:22:39,954 Speaker 3: to say I. 547 00:22:39,914 --> 00:22:45,434 Speaker 1: Love like and only ever used the TV sticks for 548 00:22:45,834 --> 00:22:49,034 Speaker 1: like special effects makeup, so wow. 549 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,594 Speaker 2: I wear them in public in natural light. But you 550 00:22:51,634 --> 00:22:53,274 Speaker 2: make it work, yeah, because. 551 00:22:53,034 --> 00:22:56,313 Speaker 3: You're a question under but because it's under so the 552 00:22:56,354 --> 00:22:59,994 Speaker 3: halfway stage does look frightening, yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, 553 00:23:00,034 --> 00:23:01,674 Speaker 3: like it does look frightening, and I do look like 554 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,474 Speaker 3: a weird crazed cland and I have frightened a few 555 00:23:03,554 --> 00:23:04,154 Speaker 3: Uber drivers. 556 00:23:04,154 --> 00:23:08,034 Speaker 2: But that's so fine. So you know the Uber it's helloo. 557 00:23:07,634 --> 00:23:10,314 Speaker 1: Like sorry, just halfway through doing my makeup. Don't mind me, 558 00:23:11,794 --> 00:23:11,994 Speaker 1: you know. 559 00:23:12,194 --> 00:23:13,954 Speaker 3: But yeah, So I've got Max Studio Radiance on the 560 00:23:13,994 --> 00:23:17,114 Speaker 3: top of that powder today is Nikiya Joy Australian brand 561 00:23:17,154 --> 00:23:18,834 Speaker 3: Beautiful Brightning Powder blush. 562 00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:20,394 Speaker 2: I have like three layers of blush. I got a 563 00:23:20,394 --> 00:23:21,274 Speaker 2: little bit of excited. 564 00:23:21,314 --> 00:23:24,274 Speaker 3: So it's the Makeup Forever Artist's color Croyon. They've got 565 00:23:24,274 --> 00:23:28,634 Speaker 3: like this incredible Barbie pink color, the door pH blush 566 00:23:28,714 --> 00:23:32,273 Speaker 3: in the orange color and then the wire cell make 567 00:23:32,354 --> 00:23:34,154 Speaker 3: Me blush. I think it's a number forty four. It's 568 00:23:34,194 --> 00:23:36,154 Speaker 3: like a highlight of pink color over the top of that, 569 00:23:36,754 --> 00:23:38,994 Speaker 3: and then over the top of all of that. Who 570 00:23:38,994 --> 00:23:42,194 Speaker 3: to Beauty the new powder the TALC Free so I 571 00:23:42,234 --> 00:23:44,474 Speaker 3: actually use the tag based ascent and then the tag 572 00:23:44,514 --> 00:23:46,354 Speaker 3: free over the top and it seems to like waterproof. 573 00:23:46,394 --> 00:23:49,474 Speaker 1: You makeup doesn't what's your skin type naturally apart from 574 00:23:49,514 --> 00:23:52,273 Speaker 1: remal to dry, normal to dry, and you only use 575 00:23:52,314 --> 00:23:55,314 Speaker 1: the one product underneath. Are not using keeps of serums 576 00:23:55,314 --> 00:23:59,354 Speaker 1: and glazing milks, then oh wowul. 577 00:23:59,874 --> 00:24:02,714 Speaker 3: Like I like them for a skin treatment perspective beautiful 578 00:24:02,714 --> 00:24:04,114 Speaker 3: and I do I enjoy a glazing milk. 579 00:24:04,114 --> 00:24:05,434 Speaker 2: I do enjoy a glazy milk. 580 00:24:05,594 --> 00:24:07,674 Speaker 3: I did a little bit of a milky tona just 581 00:24:07,714 --> 00:24:09,634 Speaker 3: like you know, a little wee bit in materium for us, 582 00:24:10,034 --> 00:24:13,634 Speaker 3: But you don't need that many layers, like depends on 583 00:24:13,674 --> 00:24:16,234 Speaker 3: the climate, depends on your skin. I find for the 584 00:24:16,234 --> 00:24:18,593 Speaker 3: most part, you want you want to really whittle down 585 00:24:18,634 --> 00:24:20,354 Speaker 3: to what do you really really need? So I did 586 00:24:20,354 --> 00:24:21,954 Speaker 3: a little bit of a milky tone because it's got 587 00:24:21,954 --> 00:24:24,234 Speaker 3: a brightener in it. I've got pigmentation. I'm always working 588 00:24:24,314 --> 00:24:27,793 Speaker 3: on that. But I didn't then put six other serums 589 00:24:28,114 --> 00:24:29,994 Speaker 3: on top and a patrogen a pear tree on top 590 00:24:30,034 --> 00:24:30,434 Speaker 3: of that. 591 00:24:30,714 --> 00:24:33,234 Speaker 1: And then go oh, no, wise my makeup or bawling off. 592 00:24:33,274 --> 00:24:35,194 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you something about that. This is the situation. 593 00:24:35,314 --> 00:24:37,514 Speaker 3: There was a myth going around online a while ago 594 00:24:37,554 --> 00:24:39,954 Speaker 3: saying that you can't put water based on top of 595 00:24:39,954 --> 00:24:42,513 Speaker 3: oil base or you know, silicon based on top of 596 00:24:42,794 --> 00:24:44,474 Speaker 3: oil or whatever, and that's not true. 597 00:24:44,674 --> 00:24:46,194 Speaker 2: The issue is polymers. 598 00:24:46,594 --> 00:24:48,074 Speaker 3: So I was talking to a girlfriend of one who 599 00:24:48,114 --> 00:24:50,474 Speaker 3: is a cosmetic chemist, Alex from the Educated Mess. 600 00:24:50,514 --> 00:24:51,033 Speaker 2: She's amazing. 601 00:24:51,234 --> 00:24:53,114 Speaker 3: She said that when you're looking at anything that's got 602 00:24:53,154 --> 00:24:56,874 Speaker 3: a creamy texture, like a moisturizing texture, has polymers in it, 603 00:24:56,914 --> 00:24:59,194 Speaker 3: and when you layer multiple different products on top of 604 00:24:59,234 --> 00:25:01,874 Speaker 3: each other that all have those kinds of textures, those 605 00:25:01,914 --> 00:25:04,194 Speaker 3: polymers all start to fight with each other and separate 606 00:25:04,234 --> 00:25:07,114 Speaker 3: and ball. Yeah, So it's not that any individual product 607 00:25:07,354 --> 00:25:09,513 Speaker 3: is the problem is that you're doing too many different 608 00:25:09,594 --> 00:25:10,834 Speaker 3: things that are fighting with each other. 609 00:25:10,994 --> 00:25:11,234 Speaker 1: Yeah. 610 00:25:11,274 --> 00:25:13,714 Speaker 3: Whereas if you're looking at like your k Beauty, like 611 00:25:13,794 --> 00:25:16,234 Speaker 3: that style of skincare, they're doing a lot of water 612 00:25:16,274 --> 00:25:18,353 Speaker 3: based products that are not fighting with each other. So 613 00:25:18,394 --> 00:25:20,874 Speaker 3: you can put on an essence and then a milky 614 00:25:20,914 --> 00:25:23,553 Speaker 3: toner and then a moisturizer because you don't have all 615 00:25:23,594 --> 00:25:25,474 Speaker 3: those layers of polymers or fighting with each other. 616 00:25:25,554 --> 00:25:27,954 Speaker 2: So they've been designed to layer that way. 617 00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:29,834 Speaker 3: So that would be My only exception is if it 618 00:25:29,914 --> 00:25:33,154 Speaker 3: is a skincare system like ky Beauty, where it is 619 00:25:33,274 --> 00:25:35,634 Speaker 3: designed to layer like that, then yes, you'll be fine 620 00:25:35,674 --> 00:25:39,514 Speaker 3: because they do love the formulated to do routines. Yeah, 621 00:25:39,674 --> 00:25:41,914 Speaker 3: and those cosmetic chemists have designed it in a very 622 00:25:41,914 --> 00:25:44,273 Speaker 3: specific way. But what happens is you're going, I'm going 623 00:25:44,354 --> 00:25:46,594 Speaker 3: to have a tona from this brand and a moisturizer 624 00:25:46,634 --> 00:25:48,794 Speaker 3: from that brand, and a primer from that brand, and 625 00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:50,714 Speaker 3: then I'm going to stick a milky thing over the top. 626 00:25:50,754 --> 00:25:52,114 Speaker 3: Then I'm going to do an oil as well, because 627 00:25:52,154 --> 00:25:54,353 Speaker 3: I saw a TikTok that said I should, And then 628 00:25:54,394 --> 00:25:55,354 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're like. 629 00:25:55,314 --> 00:25:58,154 Speaker 1: Ah, that's my macup separated. Oh rats. I just sort 630 00:25:58,194 --> 00:26:01,634 Speaker 1: of a really good analogy. So the K beauty system 631 00:26:01,834 --> 00:26:05,834 Speaker 1: is like a degustation, So it's been designed to be 632 00:26:06,034 --> 00:26:09,394 Speaker 1: lots of little, small, little portions, yes, whereas just going 633 00:26:09,434 --> 00:26:12,994 Speaker 1: in Ham is like ordering six manes, yes, and then 634 00:26:13,034 --> 00:26:13,834 Speaker 1: wondering why you feel a. 635 00:26:13,834 --> 00:26:15,314 Speaker 2: Buss and then going I don't feel so great. 636 00:26:15,394 --> 00:26:16,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not working for my gut. 637 00:26:17,154 --> 00:26:19,834 Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't have had the lasagna and topped and 638 00:26:20,354 --> 00:26:21,194 Speaker 3: padlover on it. 639 00:26:21,514 --> 00:26:30,273 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and then and two reds, heavy reds. What 640 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:35,394 Speaker 1: about your evening skincare routine? Like any great recommendations for 641 00:26:35,474 --> 00:26:39,714 Speaker 1: makeup removal or products that you absolutely love, like for 642 00:26:39,954 --> 00:26:40,834 Speaker 1: rosetia even. 643 00:26:41,514 --> 00:26:43,434 Speaker 3: Okay, so number one, if you have rossa, go to 644 00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:46,154 Speaker 3: the doctor and go and get a script. Change my life. 645 00:26:46,554 --> 00:26:49,033 Speaker 3: Go to adopted, change my life. You know, it is 646 00:26:49,034 --> 00:26:52,154 Speaker 3: a skin disease and it is not curable. It's only manageable. 647 00:26:52,234 --> 00:26:54,513 Speaker 3: So I'll tell something you really gross about rossa. People 648 00:26:54,554 --> 00:26:56,834 Speaker 3: have roseisia seem to have more face mites. 649 00:26:57,274 --> 00:26:58,114 Speaker 1: What's a face mite? 650 00:26:58,194 --> 00:27:00,314 Speaker 3: We all have face mits. All adults have face mits. 651 00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:02,754 Speaker 3: It's a little creature that lives on your face. 652 00:27:02,714 --> 00:27:03,434 Speaker 1: Like a bed bug. 653 00:27:03,674 --> 00:27:06,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, on your face. It's nice. Oh yeah, like what 654 00:27:06,874 --> 00:27:09,474 Speaker 2: are they do? Live there? They live there? Oh, that's 655 00:27:09,474 --> 00:27:12,273 Speaker 2: their home. They're having a nice time. So people who have. 656 00:27:13,994 --> 00:27:17,194 Speaker 3: Whatever more face mites, can those face mits cause a problem. 657 00:27:17,274 --> 00:27:19,434 Speaker 3: So one of the things that can happen is that 658 00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:22,194 Speaker 3: they can give you a face mit cream. 659 00:27:21,634 --> 00:27:23,874 Speaker 2: And that to kill the bastard. Yeah, yeah for. 660 00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,994 Speaker 3: The rasisia gurlies. So that's a sexy part of my 661 00:27:27,074 --> 00:27:27,954 Speaker 3: evening routine. 662 00:27:28,194 --> 00:27:30,954 Speaker 1: You put on your face? Might you put on mortine 663 00:27:30,994 --> 00:27:31,474 Speaker 1: for the face? 664 00:27:31,754 --> 00:27:33,394 Speaker 2: Yeah? So that's nice, isn't it? 665 00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:34,914 Speaker 3: But I don't have to do that every night like 666 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:37,314 Speaker 3: you do an initial You know initial course, so I'm. 667 00:27:37,194 --> 00:27:38,874 Speaker 2: Really into at the moment the Maturium. 668 00:27:39,234 --> 00:27:41,354 Speaker 3: So all of their body products are face products as well, 669 00:27:41,434 --> 00:27:43,593 Speaker 3: so you know the multi oil body wash that's kind 670 00:27:43,634 --> 00:27:44,354 Speaker 3: of going viral at. 671 00:27:44,314 --> 00:27:46,554 Speaker 1: The moment, blow Getter glow Getter, you can use that 672 00:27:46,634 --> 00:27:48,914 Speaker 1: as a face washer. Ah, and then it's it's like 673 00:27:48,914 --> 00:27:50,994 Speaker 1: a two in one because it is oil, but it's also. 674 00:27:50,914 --> 00:27:54,194 Speaker 3: A well it's glittererin it's gluciering and oil, so you know, 675 00:27:54,234 --> 00:27:57,273 Speaker 3: it rinses clean, but your skin still feels really, really hydrated. 676 00:27:57,754 --> 00:27:59,474 Speaker 3: I've been using that on my face the last couple 677 00:27:59,514 --> 00:28:01,194 Speaker 3: of nights. I get my whole makeup off in one go. 678 00:28:01,354 --> 00:28:05,714 Speaker 3: It's amazing. I love the BioMA milky jelly cleanser, She's amazing. 679 00:28:05,794 --> 00:28:09,394 Speaker 3: So my thing is because my skin is sensitive with roseosha, 680 00:28:09,474 --> 00:28:11,234 Speaker 3: a cleanser has to be able to get all of 681 00:28:11,234 --> 00:28:13,714 Speaker 3: this heavy makeup off without stripping my skin and without 682 00:28:13,754 --> 00:28:16,513 Speaker 3: being irritating. So I'm loving both of those at the moment. 683 00:28:16,634 --> 00:28:18,954 Speaker 3: I'm always road testing a bunch of skincare because of 684 00:28:18,954 --> 00:28:21,874 Speaker 3: the nature of my job, but I try not to 685 00:28:21,914 --> 00:28:24,314 Speaker 3: chop change too much because your skin just flips out 686 00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:27,234 Speaker 3: and there is a certain point where your skin doesn't cope. 687 00:28:27,354 --> 00:28:29,074 Speaker 1: Because you did too many things to do it. But 688 00:28:29,354 --> 00:28:31,554 Speaker 1: then you end up with beidiator to face the Yeah, 689 00:28:31,634 --> 00:28:32,514 Speaker 1: and I had that, Like. 690 00:28:32,474 --> 00:28:34,634 Speaker 3: I worked for Mecca many years ago, and the first 691 00:28:34,674 --> 00:28:37,234 Speaker 3: six months everybody gets the mecha breakout because you would 692 00:28:37,234 --> 00:28:39,154 Speaker 3: just get so excited, you go crazy and you just 693 00:28:39,274 --> 00:28:41,074 Speaker 3: use everything in the store, and then your face slips 694 00:28:41,074 --> 00:28:43,314 Speaker 3: out and then you learn to kind of pair it back. 695 00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:45,194 Speaker 3: But so I've got a bunch of different serums that 696 00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:47,434 Speaker 3: I mix a match between just depending on what my 697 00:28:47,474 --> 00:28:49,554 Speaker 3: skin's doing at the time, and a new product I'm testing. 698 00:28:49,554 --> 00:28:52,274 Speaker 3: I can't tell you yeah, but all I will say 699 00:28:52,354 --> 00:28:54,394 Speaker 3: is video coming and I think this is the best 700 00:28:54,394 --> 00:28:56,554 Speaker 3: my skins looked in months. 701 00:28:56,994 --> 00:29:01,594 Speaker 1: Ooh okay, well we all need to stay tuned to that. Finally, 702 00:29:01,714 --> 00:29:04,794 Speaker 1: what is one makeup technique or type of product that 703 00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:07,874 Speaker 1: you just couldn't do your face without and recommend that 704 00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:08,754 Speaker 1: everyone tries? 705 00:29:09,194 --> 00:29:12,474 Speaker 3: Well underpainting, of course, but the TV try it. I 706 00:29:12,474 --> 00:29:14,474 Speaker 3: don't think everybody should try. I think it is an 707 00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:17,034 Speaker 3: advanced technique and I think for some people it's just 708 00:29:17,234 --> 00:29:19,954 Speaker 3: not what you're going to do. It's not a realistic 709 00:29:20,074 --> 00:29:22,634 Speaker 3: use of time. The thing I could say that everybody 710 00:29:22,634 --> 00:29:24,994 Speaker 3: could do and should do, in my opinion, is lash primer, 711 00:29:25,794 --> 00:29:29,034 Speaker 3: Lash primer, Lash primer. Your lashes will be so much 712 00:29:29,074 --> 00:29:32,154 Speaker 3: bigger and bigger. Your muscara will grip better, Your muscara 713 00:29:32,194 --> 00:29:34,594 Speaker 3: will not flake, it will not be all over your eyelids. 714 00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:37,114 Speaker 3: You'll give you beautiful, big, fluttery lashes, and you're not 715 00:29:37,114 --> 00:29:38,754 Speaker 3: gonna be there sitting there for six years trying to 716 00:29:38,834 --> 00:29:40,994 Speaker 3: lay your mascara to get it to actually grip onto 717 00:29:40,994 --> 00:29:45,274 Speaker 3: your eyelashes. Oh yeah, Lash Paradise. You aren't chemistry house. 718 00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:45,914 Speaker 3: She's cheapy. 719 00:29:46,394 --> 00:29:49,394 Speaker 2: Okay, that's brilliant. Yep, Lash primer, you need it. 720 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,474 Speaker 1: On the opposite side, what are some makeup trends right now? 721 00:29:53,554 --> 00:29:55,914 Speaker 1: All products that you just think, oh goodness, they're just 722 00:29:55,954 --> 00:29:57,434 Speaker 1: not worth the trouble or a little. 723 00:29:57,194 --> 00:30:00,074 Speaker 3: Bit rubbish Okay, controversial, But I'm really over all the 724 00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:01,114 Speaker 3: tingly lip glosses. 725 00:30:01,714 --> 00:30:03,794 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm over them. I'm over them. I'm done. 726 00:30:03,994 --> 00:30:06,674 Speaker 3: So here's my opinion. The ones that rip your lips 727 00:30:06,714 --> 00:30:08,634 Speaker 3: off do work. Yes, you know, the ones that are 728 00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:12,114 Speaker 3: super stingy like polite Society is amazing. You will look 729 00:30:12,154 --> 00:30:14,394 Speaker 3: like you've had your lips done and so that I 730 00:30:14,434 --> 00:30:17,874 Speaker 3: can give that some specism. Well it does work, yeah, 731 00:30:17,914 --> 00:30:20,314 Speaker 3: Like it's irritating me. It doesn't like what is it 732 00:30:20,354 --> 00:30:24,194 Speaker 3: for though they say it all tingly, metholy calling whatevers. 733 00:30:24,634 --> 00:30:27,274 Speaker 3: They irritate your skin, They make the lips go really dry. 734 00:30:27,474 --> 00:30:30,194 Speaker 3: Your lips always pel later. It destroys any lipstick you 735 00:30:30,234 --> 00:30:32,354 Speaker 3: tried to put with it, So any lipline or a 736 00:30:32,354 --> 00:30:34,034 Speaker 3: lipstick or anything else you put with it, it just 737 00:30:34,074 --> 00:30:36,874 Speaker 3: destroys it. But it doesn't actually make your lips bigger. 738 00:30:36,914 --> 00:30:38,994 Speaker 3: You just want to hydrate the lips. You want to 739 00:30:39,314 --> 00:30:40,914 Speaker 3: care for the skin on the lips, and you don't 740 00:30:40,914 --> 00:30:44,154 Speaker 3: do that by irritating it constantly. All this thing, these 741 00:30:44,314 --> 00:30:47,474 Speaker 3: like tingly mentholated lip glosses. I'm sorry, we're done. We 742 00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:50,474 Speaker 3: don't need any more of them. They're over, Please stop 743 00:30:50,474 --> 00:30:52,034 Speaker 3: making them. And every time I get a lock gloss 744 00:30:52,034 --> 00:30:53,634 Speaker 3: and it has that, I'm like, oh no. 745 00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:57,194 Speaker 1: And I actually asked someone last year. I was like, 746 00:30:57,194 --> 00:31:00,354 Speaker 1: why does everyone keep releasing like different lip balms in 747 00:31:00,394 --> 00:31:03,354 Speaker 1: different because there's such a low cost item. Yes, with 748 00:31:03,434 --> 00:31:04,994 Speaker 1: a high cost like the margins. 749 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:07,514 Speaker 3: It's the biggest I believe it is the biggest beauty 750 00:31:07,554 --> 00:31:10,354 Speaker 3: category at the moment, this lip is. We've had a 751 00:31:10,394 --> 00:31:13,034 Speaker 3: few brands that have done a particularly great job at it. Yes, 752 00:31:13,114 --> 00:31:15,474 Speaker 3: like Summer Fridays comes to mind, Road comes to mind, 753 00:31:15,514 --> 00:31:18,794 Speaker 3: you know, with these gorgeous hydrating lip treatments, and they're great, 754 00:31:18,834 --> 00:31:20,994 Speaker 3: and they're not the tingly ones, by the way. 755 00:31:20,714 --> 00:31:21,154 Speaker 1: They're just not. 756 00:31:21,234 --> 00:31:23,954 Speaker 3: They're not the offending parties. You may stay, you may stay, 757 00:31:24,314 --> 00:31:26,634 Speaker 3: you know. But lip is a category is really exploding. 758 00:31:27,034 --> 00:31:29,394 Speaker 3: But it's the tingly, menthy late of the balms. 759 00:31:29,394 --> 00:31:31,274 Speaker 2: I'm so done. I'm so done. I'm so done. I'm 760 00:31:31,314 --> 00:31:31,594 Speaker 2: so done. 761 00:31:31,634 --> 00:31:33,634 Speaker 3: They don't make your lips bigger, and they're just irritating 762 00:31:33,634 --> 00:31:35,234 Speaker 3: my lips and now my lipsticks all coming off. 763 00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:38,994 Speaker 1: Okay, well, we hate those in the bin, get in 764 00:31:39,114 --> 00:31:42,234 Speaker 1: the bin, but the ones that actually burn you can stay. 765 00:31:42,354 --> 00:31:43,994 Speaker 3: Also, you know what else, we don't need anymore of 766 00:31:44,394 --> 00:31:46,074 Speaker 3: pH color changing products. 767 00:31:46,274 --> 00:31:50,034 Speaker 1: Well, I put one on my hand yesterday the event 768 00:31:51,234 --> 00:31:53,594 Speaker 1: and we were just both standing there waiting for it 769 00:31:53,634 --> 00:31:56,274 Speaker 1: to actually do anything, and it didn't change. 770 00:31:56,394 --> 00:31:59,114 Speaker 2: Was am you have got very dry skin? 771 00:31:59,274 --> 00:31:59,434 Speaker 1: Yes? 772 00:31:59,514 --> 00:32:00,754 Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs water to change. 773 00:32:00,794 --> 00:32:03,034 Speaker 1: Okay, well that explains it because it actually did not 774 00:32:03,074 --> 00:32:05,674 Speaker 1: do anything. And then the girl was like oh, and 775 00:32:05,714 --> 00:32:07,274 Speaker 1: she was like, showed me on her hair and did 776 00:32:07,354 --> 00:32:08,234 Speaker 1: it changed right away? 777 00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,114 Speaker 3: But I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, if you've got very, 778 00:32:10,154 --> 00:32:11,714 Speaker 3: very very dry skin, it won't do much. So it 779 00:32:11,714 --> 00:32:13,994 Speaker 3: does react with water, so if you sweat more, it 780 00:32:13,994 --> 00:32:16,074 Speaker 3: will go darker. Fun facts, So you put your blush 781 00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:18,154 Speaker 3: on in the morning, be like that's a nice color, 782 00:32:18,234 --> 00:32:19,394 Speaker 3: and then you walk around in your sweat and now 783 00:32:19,394 --> 00:32:20,554 Speaker 3: it's changed color. 784 00:32:20,754 --> 00:32:22,274 Speaker 1: It's like mud on your face. 785 00:32:22,314 --> 00:32:24,434 Speaker 2: So let me tell you about these pH things. This 786 00:32:24,514 --> 00:32:24,914 Speaker 2: is a deal. 787 00:32:24,914 --> 00:32:27,074 Speaker 3: It is a die called red twenty seven. It is 788 00:32:27,114 --> 00:32:28,674 Speaker 3: the one thing. It's the same thing in all of them, 789 00:32:28,674 --> 00:32:30,754 Speaker 3: so they're all the same in a sense. You know, 790 00:32:30,794 --> 00:32:32,674 Speaker 3: other parts of the formula might be different, but that 791 00:32:32,914 --> 00:32:36,594 Speaker 3: core element is the same and it goes darker with 792 00:32:36,794 --> 00:32:40,714 Speaker 3: sweat and oil. So it's They market them as this 793 00:32:40,754 --> 00:32:43,474 Speaker 3: is going to magically turn into the perfect pink for you, 794 00:32:43,994 --> 00:32:47,234 Speaker 3: as if the product psychically knows you're coloring. Yeah, that's 795 00:32:47,274 --> 00:32:49,554 Speaker 3: not true. What it is is a very very sheer red. 796 00:32:49,874 --> 00:32:51,874 Speaker 3: And you can put red on any skin tone in 797 00:32:51,874 --> 00:32:54,274 Speaker 3: the whole world. Yeah, Like, as long as hasn't got 798 00:32:54,314 --> 00:32:56,114 Speaker 3: a white base, you can put red. 799 00:32:55,914 --> 00:32:56,674 Speaker 2: On any skin tone. 800 00:32:56,714 --> 00:32:58,874 Speaker 3: So it's like a universal color in that sense, but 801 00:32:59,234 --> 00:33:02,154 Speaker 3: it's not magically adapting to the perfect amount of that 802 00:33:02,634 --> 00:33:04,474 Speaker 3: for your coloring in a psychic manner. 803 00:33:04,594 --> 00:33:07,234 Speaker 1: I've always just thought, like, I don't need that, I 804 00:33:07,674 --> 00:33:08,194 Speaker 1: just can. 805 00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:10,394 Speaker 2: You have once? Do you have all of them? Yeah? 806 00:33:10,434 --> 00:33:12,274 Speaker 3: And look they're cute. They stay your lips. Your lips 807 00:33:12,274 --> 00:33:14,074 Speaker 3: will be a pretty color. You know it's nice. But 808 00:33:14,114 --> 00:33:15,714 Speaker 3: if you have one of those products, you really do 809 00:33:15,794 --> 00:33:17,354 Speaker 3: have them all. So just pick the one you like 810 00:33:17,394 --> 00:33:18,954 Speaker 3: and don't worry about the rest. And probably you don't 811 00:33:18,954 --> 00:33:21,074 Speaker 3: need to spend a hundred dollars on one, because like 812 00:33:21,114 --> 00:33:23,154 Speaker 3: if you want to knock yourself out, you know you're low, 813 00:33:23,394 --> 00:33:25,754 Speaker 3: but you know you absolutely don't need to. It's if 814 00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,754 Speaker 3: you have bought one, you have bought them all, trust me. 815 00:33:27,954 --> 00:33:30,674 Speaker 1: Finally, this is just a question that I want to ask, 816 00:33:31,074 --> 00:33:33,714 Speaker 1: what are you really excited for this year that you 817 00:33:33,714 --> 00:33:34,594 Speaker 1: can tell us about? 818 00:33:35,034 --> 00:33:38,314 Speaker 3: Oh, since maybe is a hardbit they can tell us about. 819 00:33:38,314 --> 00:33:40,034 Speaker 3: It is a hard bit. So what I will say, 820 00:33:40,234 --> 00:33:43,514 Speaker 3: bank betis Yeah, so this year I was expecting to 821 00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:47,634 Speaker 3: be a quieter year. Okay, that has not been the case. 822 00:33:48,394 --> 00:33:51,314 Speaker 3: So that's yeah, great to know. But let's just say 823 00:33:51,314 --> 00:33:53,394 Speaker 3: that I've wanted to do product for a little while 824 00:33:53,554 --> 00:33:55,674 Speaker 3: and I watch this space that's all I say. 825 00:33:55,994 --> 00:33:56,274 Speaker 2: Watch this. 826 00:33:56,554 --> 00:34:01,314 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's very exciting. Well, thank you so much, Ellen, 827 00:34:01,394 --> 00:34:04,234 Speaker 1: and we just love your content and we can't wait 828 00:34:04,234 --> 00:34:04,874 Speaker 1: to keep watching. 829 00:34:05,114 --> 00:34:07,114 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's so enjoyed it. 830 00:34:07,594 --> 00:34:10,034 Speaker 1: That's it for today. Thank you so much for listening 831 00:34:10,074 --> 00:34:12,234 Speaker 1: to your beauty. Make sure you're following us on Instagram 832 00:34:12,274 --> 00:34:14,913 Speaker 1: and TikTok. You can watch this and more episodes on 833 00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:18,314 Speaker 1: our amazing YouTube channel. 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