1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,624 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:28,744 Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 6 00:00:29,184 --> 00:00:31,704 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodwick and I'm Kissanulo Kitsch. 7 00:00:31,584 --> 00:00:34,264 Speaker 1: And coming up on the show today, the pop girls 8 00:00:34,304 --> 00:00:37,024 Speaker 1: are involved in some dramas. We have two big celebrities 9 00:00:37,264 --> 00:00:40,224 Speaker 1: that are doing tours and appearances at the moment, and 10 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:43,024 Speaker 1: people are very upset about some of their on stage antics. 11 00:00:43,064 --> 00:00:44,624 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that. I might have a 12 00:00:44,624 --> 00:00:48,664 Speaker 1: bit of a different opinion. And also Chloe Kardashian has 13 00:00:48,704 --> 00:00:52,064 Speaker 1: responded to a really interesting thread that a doctor put 14 00:00:52,144 --> 00:00:54,264 Speaker 1: up on TikTok, So we're getting into that because it's 15 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:56,864 Speaker 1: kind of blown of the lid off this whole Kardashian 16 00:00:57,064 --> 00:01:00,104 Speaker 1: surgery conspiracy. But again, we have some thoughts. 17 00:01:00,304 --> 00:01:04,144 Speaker 3: But first, but first, okay, So Glastonbury was this weekend, 18 00:01:04,344 --> 00:01:05,864 Speaker 3: one of the biggest festivals in the world, so I 19 00:01:05,944 --> 00:01:09,144 Speaker 3: kind of wanted to go into some of our favorite 20 00:01:09,144 --> 00:01:12,464 Speaker 3: Glastonbury moments. One of the ones that I really wanted 21 00:01:12,504 --> 00:01:15,024 Speaker 3: to talk about first was Lewis Capaldi coming and doing 22 00:01:15,104 --> 00:01:18,384 Speaker 3: a surprise set. 23 00:01:17,864 --> 00:01:26,024 Speaker 1: God Apollo I was Gary Chunni Big Soil, which I 24 00:01:26,064 --> 00:01:27,064 Speaker 1: thought was really sweet. 25 00:01:27,104 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 3: Now, the reason this is special is because the last 26 00:01:29,624 --> 00:01:33,304 Speaker 3: time Lois Copoldi was on the Glastonbury stage was back 27 00:01:33,344 --> 00:01:35,584 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three when he had to abandon his 28 00:01:35,744 --> 00:01:39,184 Speaker 3: set after his tourette syndrome caused his vocal cords to 29 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:41,864 Speaker 3: seize up and he couldn't complete his set. So it's 30 00:01:41,904 --> 00:01:45,024 Speaker 3: been two years since he's done that, and it was 31 00:01:45,144 --> 00:01:47,344 Speaker 3: really sweet. It was a very short set and he 32 00:01:47,464 --> 00:01:50,784 Speaker 3: sung sort of his primary songs, but he got a 33 00:01:50,824 --> 00:01:53,264 Speaker 3: really really warm welcome from the crowd and people were 34 00:01:53,264 --> 00:01:55,624 Speaker 3: really happy to see him there, and it like really 35 00:01:55,664 --> 00:01:59,704 Speaker 3: warms my heart because seeing that like vulnerability from an 36 00:01:59,824 --> 00:02:04,184 Speaker 3: artist just really humanizes them. And I really love that 37 00:02:04,264 --> 00:02:08,864 Speaker 3: Lewis Capoldi was able to kind of overcome because he's 38 00:02:08,904 --> 00:02:11,824 Speaker 3: been really open about his turette able to overcome that 39 00:02:12,064 --> 00:02:13,864 Speaker 3: and you know, sing again. Yeah. 40 00:02:14,264 --> 00:02:15,704 Speaker 2: I think he shed a little tear at the end, 41 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:16,664 Speaker 2: which is very stray. 42 00:02:16,784 --> 00:02:18,184 Speaker 1: I love him. Not only is he one of the 43 00:02:18,224 --> 00:02:20,344 Speaker 1: most successful artists in the world, like all his tours 44 00:02:20,344 --> 00:02:23,744 Speaker 1: and everything sell out instantly, but his voice is incredible. 45 00:02:23,784 --> 00:02:26,384 Speaker 1: He's also one of the funniest artists around. Like, sometimes 46 00:02:26,384 --> 00:02:28,184 Speaker 1: I'm having a bad day, I was gone to TikTok 47 00:02:28,224 --> 00:02:31,624 Speaker 1: and like search Lewis Capaldi interview moments and just watch 48 00:02:31,664 --> 00:02:35,184 Speaker 1: the highlights because he just says whatever comes into his mind, 49 00:02:35,224 --> 00:02:37,864 Speaker 1: and his comedic timing is so good, like he'sn't even 50 00:02:37,864 --> 00:02:39,584 Speaker 1: trying to be funny, he just naturally is a very 51 00:02:39,584 --> 00:02:40,184 Speaker 1: funny person. 52 00:02:40,224 --> 00:02:40,704 Speaker 2: I feel like. 53 00:02:40,744 --> 00:02:43,184 Speaker 3: There's some clips of him on Graham Norton which are 54 00:02:43,744 --> 00:02:46,864 Speaker 3: so good iconic, So that is probably one of my 55 00:02:46,864 --> 00:02:50,744 Speaker 3: big highlights. The other one was Olivia Rodrego. Yes, okay, 56 00:02:50,784 --> 00:02:52,744 Speaker 3: so she was obviously the headliner. She played on the 57 00:02:52,824 --> 00:02:56,424 Speaker 3: last night. She actually did a surprise. She brought out 58 00:02:56,624 --> 00:03:03,624 Speaker 3: Robert Smith from The Cure, which is cool, very cool, supreame. 59 00:03:14,064 --> 00:03:16,784 Speaker 1: I love that she plays homage to famous artists of 60 00:03:16,824 --> 00:03:19,744 Speaker 1: the past, so The Cure and also previously April Vie 61 00:03:20,384 --> 00:03:23,464 Speaker 1: of equal standing. I would say like she loves to 62 00:03:23,504 --> 00:03:25,584 Speaker 1: kind of pull out those more retro tunes. 63 00:03:25,904 --> 00:03:28,504 Speaker 3: She's twenty two and she's got that kind of you know, 64 00:03:28,624 --> 00:03:33,504 Speaker 3: Joan Jet like really cool rocker chick vibe, and she 65 00:03:33,584 --> 00:03:36,144 Speaker 3: really was leaning into that on the stage. 66 00:03:35,824 --> 00:03:38,264 Speaker 1: She's a very cool I feel she's always you'll say 67 00:03:38,344 --> 00:03:41,224 Speaker 1: she's ever sece flustered. She's always really cool and really calm. 68 00:03:41,424 --> 00:03:43,464 Speaker 1: Can't relate to that. I met her briefly when she 69 00:03:43,504 --> 00:03:45,704 Speaker 1: was in Australia for her tour, and she said to me, 70 00:03:45,784 --> 00:03:48,584 Speaker 1: your hair is so gorgeous, and I just like, I 71 00:03:48,704 --> 00:03:51,024 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have. I grabbed her arm and said, oh 72 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:53,224 Speaker 1: my god, Olivia, thank you so much. I will live 73 00:03:53,224 --> 00:03:55,144 Speaker 1: off that forever. And I think she was quite freaked out, 74 00:03:55,184 --> 00:03:56,984 Speaker 1: but she stayed very calm, only because you know, I'm like, 75 00:03:57,024 --> 00:03:57,664 Speaker 1: I hate my hair. 76 00:03:58,104 --> 00:03:59,904 Speaker 2: That's so amazing. 77 00:04:00,104 --> 00:04:01,344 Speaker 1: I don't think it did look good. She was just 78 00:04:01,344 --> 00:04:03,624 Speaker 1: obviously she was giving a compliment to every person as 79 00:04:03,664 --> 00:04:05,384 Speaker 1: they came up to her, and she was almost like, 80 00:04:05,424 --> 00:04:06,904 Speaker 1: what can I say about this person? 81 00:04:07,384 --> 00:04:11,104 Speaker 3: Do not downgrade yourself there, Laura. I love your hair 82 00:04:11,144 --> 00:04:12,424 Speaker 3: and you look beautiful. 83 00:04:12,784 --> 00:04:14,304 Speaker 1: But I love how she was just like she was 84 00:04:14,344 --> 00:04:17,184 Speaker 1: like a queen doling out compliments to her peasants who 85 00:04:17,224 --> 00:04:18,984 Speaker 1: were coming to like bow at her feet, and it 86 00:04:19,064 --> 00:04:19,984 Speaker 1: was it was great. 87 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:22,184 Speaker 2: And it's a good moment for you and you're remembering it. 88 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:22,504 Speaker 1: Yes. 89 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:22,944 Speaker 2: Now. 90 00:04:22,944 --> 00:04:27,224 Speaker 3: The other thing that we saw was Harry's style. Yeah, 91 00:04:27,344 --> 00:04:29,624 Speaker 3: a little bit gossipy this one, but I'm going to mention. 92 00:04:30,064 --> 00:04:32,584 Speaker 3: I'm going to mention it anyway because it was so 93 00:04:32,744 --> 00:04:35,784 Speaker 3: public and people are like going off about it. Yeah, 94 00:04:35,824 --> 00:04:39,264 Speaker 3: so he had a twelve second snog quote unquote with 95 00:04:39,464 --> 00:04:40,624 Speaker 3: a mystery woman. 96 00:04:40,944 --> 00:04:42,184 Speaker 1: Oh I love it. I love this. 97 00:04:42,424 --> 00:04:44,824 Speaker 3: And the video is just like this grady footage of 98 00:04:44,864 --> 00:04:48,424 Speaker 3: them in the VIP area. It's two thirty in the morning, 99 00:04:48,664 --> 00:04:52,584 Speaker 3: so it's like they're drunk or high or probably a 100 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:54,784 Speaker 3: bit I don't speculating here allegedly. 101 00:04:54,984 --> 00:04:56,504 Speaker 1: I hope they're a bit of birth. That's the whole 102 00:04:56,544 --> 00:04:57,584 Speaker 1: point of going to Glosterburough. 103 00:04:57,584 --> 00:05:01,104 Speaker 3: They're enjoying themselves two thirty in the morning and they're 104 00:05:01,224 --> 00:05:03,824 Speaker 3: like really going at it. Would she don't see a 105 00:05:03,864 --> 00:05:05,784 Speaker 3: lot with celebs anymore. I feel like they're a little 106 00:05:05,824 --> 00:05:06,824 Speaker 3: bit more aware. 107 00:05:06,944 --> 00:05:09,504 Speaker 1: Harry Styles loves a public pash. He's pie pashed a 108 00:05:09,544 --> 00:05:12,584 Speaker 1: lot of girlfriends and also like Amili Raikowski. But when 109 00:05:12,624 --> 00:05:14,504 Speaker 1: they passed in front of the car for ages and 110 00:05:14,504 --> 00:05:16,224 Speaker 1: then walked in the building, came back out and passed 111 00:05:16,264 --> 00:05:18,304 Speaker 1: again in front of the car, he loves a public pash. 112 00:05:18,424 --> 00:05:20,504 Speaker 3: Okay, so so we do know who she is now. 113 00:05:20,544 --> 00:05:23,584 Speaker 3: Her name is Ella Kenny and she is a producer 114 00:05:23,624 --> 00:05:24,504 Speaker 3: based in London. 115 00:05:24,904 --> 00:05:26,984 Speaker 1: At London, Why is this the start of like a 116 00:05:27,024 --> 00:05:29,184 Speaker 1: really cheesy Netflix from Colm Right? 117 00:05:29,424 --> 00:05:29,864 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 118 00:05:29,904 --> 00:05:32,264 Speaker 1: I feel like the producer meets famous pop star and 119 00:05:32,264 --> 00:05:34,824 Speaker 1: the tenant Glustonberry and then like it's like the idea 120 00:05:34,824 --> 00:05:36,104 Speaker 1: of you, but without the age gap. 121 00:05:36,344 --> 00:05:38,424 Speaker 3: No, it's literally the idea of you. That is that 122 00:05:38,544 --> 00:05:41,144 Speaker 3: is that show. Yeah, It's like it was like when 123 00:05:41,624 --> 00:05:44,264 Speaker 3: zach Efroll was dating that girl from Byron. 124 00:05:44,704 --> 00:05:46,264 Speaker 1: From Byron Bay. Yeah, that was great too. 125 00:05:46,384 --> 00:05:49,224 Speaker 3: It was like it's like these you know, big celebrities 126 00:05:49,264 --> 00:05:50,904 Speaker 3: finding the small town girls. 127 00:05:51,264 --> 00:05:54,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it works out. Matt Damon wandered into a 128 00:05:54,344 --> 00:05:56,224 Speaker 1: bar in New York one day and he's married to 129 00:05:56,224 --> 00:05:58,664 Speaker 1: that woman and they have many children, so you know, 130 00:05:58,784 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 1: sometimes it works out. So I'm sure it was just 131 00:06:00,864 --> 00:06:03,064 Speaker 1: a party, Pash, but I want this to evolve into 132 00:06:03,064 --> 00:06:05,944 Speaker 1: something more for She's gorgeous, oh beautiful, and I hope 133 00:06:05,944 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 1: she's enjoying this little bout of publicity that's coming with it. 134 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:14,264 Speaker 3: Okay, so those are my Glastonbury highlights. Do you have 135 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:15,944 Speaker 3: any that you really loved? 136 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,744 Speaker 1: Well? I love the fact that Paul mescal and Gracie 137 00:06:18,784 --> 00:06:21,264 Speaker 1: Abams had their public debut, because we've know one. They've 138 00:06:21,304 --> 00:06:24,464 Speaker 1: been dating for a while, but they haven't really been 139 00:06:24,504 --> 00:06:27,304 Speaker 1: that public. But they were hugging and kissing in the crowd. 140 00:06:27,544 --> 00:06:29,264 Speaker 1: She was on stage, she was like looking off to 141 00:06:29,344 --> 00:06:32,024 Speaker 1: him and singing to him, which is really cute. And 142 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:33,984 Speaker 1: then she was the Apple Girl. You know how, Charlie 143 00:06:34,104 --> 00:06:36,744 Speaker 1: XCX always has like mostly a famous person come and 144 00:06:36,784 --> 00:06:39,104 Speaker 1: do the Apple Dance on the big screen at her sets. 145 00:06:39,264 --> 00:06:42,024 Speaker 1: So at Glastonbury she had her. I had Gracie come 146 00:06:42,024 --> 00:06:44,144 Speaker 1: and do the Apple Dance, which was very cool, and 147 00:06:44,184 --> 00:06:46,664 Speaker 1: then things kind of went a little down hill from 148 00:06:46,744 --> 00:06:50,344 Speaker 1: there for Charlie XCX, depending on who you are. So 149 00:06:50,664 --> 00:06:54,264 Speaker 1: Charlie XCX was playing on the Saturday night at Glastonbury. 150 00:06:54,544 --> 00:06:56,584 Speaker 1: From what I saw on TikTok and everything, I mean, 151 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:59,824 Speaker 1: I obviously wasn't there. From what I saw looking in 152 00:06:59,864 --> 00:07:01,944 Speaker 1: to the event, it looked like people were loving it. 153 00:07:02,024 --> 00:07:04,624 Speaker 1: She looked incredible. She had like the big brad wall 154 00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:07,464 Speaker 1: burning behind her. But apparently there were a lot of 155 00:07:07,504 --> 00:07:10,744 Speaker 1: complaints about her set from people, to the extent that 156 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:13,944 Speaker 1: when she finished her show, Charlie XIX went to Twitter 157 00:07:14,184 --> 00:07:17,704 Speaker 1: and put out a little statement saying, really enjoying these 158 00:07:17,744 --> 00:07:21,744 Speaker 1: boomer vibe comments on my Glastonbury performance. It's super fascinating 159 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:23,944 Speaker 1: to me. And then she went on to say, like 160 00:07:23,984 --> 00:07:26,464 Speaker 1: the idea that singing with her deliberate auto tune makes 161 00:07:26,504 --> 00:07:29,584 Speaker 1: your fraud, or that not having a traditional band suddenly 162 00:07:29,624 --> 00:07:32,344 Speaker 1: means you must not be a real artist, it's the 163 00:07:32,384 --> 00:07:33,624 Speaker 1: most boring take ever. 164 00:07:33,824 --> 00:07:34,064 Speaker 2: Y'rn. 165 00:07:34,224 --> 00:07:37,144 Speaker 1: Sorry, just fell asleep. So I think people were kind 166 00:07:37,184 --> 00:07:39,024 Speaker 1: of comparing her to other artists who would have like 167 00:07:39,064 --> 00:07:42,584 Speaker 1: a big live band and maybe kind of singing a 168 00:07:42,624 --> 00:07:45,064 Speaker 1: few kind of solos without the backing music or that 169 00:07:45,104 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And she was singing it was very 170 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:49,104 Speaker 1: kind of like in the vibe of her concerts. It 171 00:07:49,144 --> 00:07:51,184 Speaker 1: is very poppy, and she did have the auto tune 172 00:07:51,224 --> 00:07:53,904 Speaker 1: on to sing with, and it was more of like 173 00:07:54,064 --> 00:07:56,224 Speaker 1: the visual of the stage rather than having a band. 174 00:07:56,264 --> 00:07:57,824 Speaker 1: So a lot of people were calling her out for 175 00:07:57,864 --> 00:08:00,104 Speaker 1: being a fake and saying that this kind of artist 176 00:08:00,144 --> 00:08:02,104 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been a Glastonbury and she just thinks that's 177 00:08:02,144 --> 00:08:02,744 Speaker 1: a boring take. 178 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:07,864 Speaker 3: Finally enough, though the critic reviews of her performance. 179 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:08,584 Speaker 2: Were very good. 180 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:10,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure there was one in the Guardian that 181 00:08:10,944 --> 00:08:14,424 Speaker 3: gave her five stars. Rolling Stone gave her a great review. 182 00:08:14,584 --> 00:08:19,744 Speaker 3: So it's very interesting what people think is a good performance. 183 00:08:20,344 --> 00:08:24,744 Speaker 3: I think with something that is classically Glastonbury is more 184 00:08:24,784 --> 00:08:28,424 Speaker 3: like rock and roll rather than maybe pop. I think, 185 00:08:28,464 --> 00:08:32,144 Speaker 3: obviously now it's probably more poppy. But it's interesting to 186 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:35,544 Speaker 3: me that just because she used purposeful auto tune that 187 00:08:35,584 --> 00:08:37,784 Speaker 3: people are calling her out on it, but like, it's 188 00:08:37,784 --> 00:08:40,144 Speaker 3: not because she can't sing, She's doing it as a 189 00:08:40,144 --> 00:08:40,904 Speaker 3: part of her art. 190 00:08:41,264 --> 00:08:44,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very specific sound and look and feel 191 00:08:44,064 --> 00:08:46,064 Speaker 1: that she wants for her show. I understand, like almost 192 00:08:46,104 --> 00:08:48,584 Speaker 1: like the old guard of Glastonbury that are very used 193 00:08:48,624 --> 00:08:50,624 Speaker 1: to being like you have a band and it's just 194 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:53,544 Speaker 1: them and their instruments up on stage and that's it, 195 00:08:53,624 --> 00:08:55,824 Speaker 1: like no bells, no whistles, it's not meant to be 196 00:08:55,904 --> 00:08:59,184 Speaker 1: a stadium kind of performance, Whereas I think Charlie XCX 197 00:08:59,184 --> 00:09:01,944 Speaker 1: like that's the type of show she puts on. And 198 00:09:02,024 --> 00:09:03,544 Speaker 1: so I don't think it sounds like it was a 199 00:09:03,544 --> 00:09:06,344 Speaker 1: bad performance. It was more, I mean, to be fair, 200 00:09:06,424 --> 00:09:09,384 Speaker 1: auto tune. It to me is slightly questionable because the 201 00:09:09,384 --> 00:09:12,184 Speaker 1: whole thing that separates a true performer from someone who 202 00:09:12,264 --> 00:09:14,744 Speaker 1: just is famous and records a hit song is like, 203 00:09:15,064 --> 00:09:17,584 Speaker 1: It's like when Lionel Richard was asked about Paris Hilton 204 00:09:17,624 --> 00:09:20,024 Speaker 1: releasing styles are blind and why she didn't blow up 205 00:09:20,064 --> 00:09:22,104 Speaker 1: to be this big artist who was touring and selling 206 00:09:22,104 --> 00:09:23,944 Speaker 1: out stadiums, and he was like, it's so different to 207 00:09:24,024 --> 00:09:26,344 Speaker 1: recording a song in a sound booth to then being 208 00:09:26,424 --> 00:09:27,984 Speaker 1: able to go out. And he wasn't saying it in 209 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:29,344 Speaker 1: a mean way, but he's like, then being able to 210 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:31,984 Speaker 1: go out and perform that song night after night and 211 00:09:32,064 --> 00:09:33,904 Speaker 1: sell your song on the road. He's like, most people 212 00:09:33,944 --> 00:09:36,384 Speaker 1: can't do that. I think that's where the criticism for 213 00:09:36,464 --> 00:09:38,384 Speaker 1: Charlie comes a little bit. They're like, if she she 214 00:09:38,384 --> 00:09:39,984 Speaker 1: can write all these songs and she can have this 215 00:09:40,144 --> 00:09:42,464 Speaker 1: cool aesthetic and dress a certain way, but if she 216 00:09:42,464 --> 00:09:44,464 Speaker 1: can't get on stage and do it, she's not a 217 00:09:44,504 --> 00:09:46,424 Speaker 1: true artist. But I think I think it's more about 218 00:09:46,424 --> 00:09:48,344 Speaker 1: the sound, Like that's the sound she wants, because I 219 00:09:48,344 --> 00:09:50,904 Speaker 1: feel like she can get on stage and perform. 220 00:09:51,064 --> 00:09:54,504 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, she created an entire summer last year. Yeah, 221 00:09:54,544 --> 00:09:58,664 Speaker 3: like she brat summer was all her. I think she 222 00:09:58,904 --> 00:10:02,384 Speaker 3: can perform, and it's like te pain. It's t pain 223 00:10:02,904 --> 00:10:06,464 Speaker 3: actually has an incredible voice. If you've ever heard non 224 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:09,464 Speaker 3: auto tuned tea Pain, you will know what I'm saying. 225 00:10:09,784 --> 00:10:11,984 Speaker 3: I think it is big difference when auto tuned is 226 00:10:12,104 --> 00:10:14,944 Speaker 3: used as part of like the aesthetic of the song, 227 00:10:15,544 --> 00:10:19,064 Speaker 3: versus actually tuning someone's voice because they can't sing. 228 00:10:19,264 --> 00:10:19,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 229 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:23,144 Speaker 3: And what's interesting is she said it in her little statement, 230 00:10:23,984 --> 00:10:25,424 Speaker 3: it's purposeful auto tune. 231 00:10:25,464 --> 00:10:26,384 Speaker 2: She's doing it. 232 00:10:26,384 --> 00:10:28,264 Speaker 3: It's not because she can't sing. She's doing it to 233 00:10:28,584 --> 00:10:30,944 Speaker 3: make that sound for her song. So I don't think 234 00:10:30,984 --> 00:10:32,464 Speaker 3: it's a valid argument. 235 00:10:32,664 --> 00:10:34,624 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Now I love how she did the whole 236 00:10:34,624 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 1: thing and then she was like, anyway, this is putting 237 00:10:35,944 --> 00:10:37,904 Speaker 1: me to sleep. I don't care anymore. But I feel 238 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:39,984 Speaker 1: like all eyes are on the mistakes are so high. 239 00:10:40,104 --> 00:10:42,664 Speaker 1: There's a bit of criticism about any artist who comes out, 240 00:10:42,744 --> 00:10:46,744 Speaker 1: especially because everything now is live streamed almost instantaneously on 241 00:10:46,824 --> 00:10:48,984 Speaker 1: every social platform, that if they have a bit of 242 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:51,424 Speaker 1: a bump or there's any kind of controversy, it gets 243 00:10:51,544 --> 00:10:54,264 Speaker 1: magnified to an extent. And we're seeing that a little 244 00:10:54,264 --> 00:10:56,664 Speaker 1: bitt the moment with Lena Delray, who's just started her 245 00:10:56,824 --> 00:11:00,624 Speaker 1: UK tour. So Lana Delray hasn't performed or toured for 246 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:03,224 Speaker 1: quite a while. She'd been very busy getting married. But 247 00:11:03,384 --> 00:11:05,864 Speaker 1: she opened in Cardiff the other night, her big UK tour, 248 00:11:05,904 --> 00:11:07,784 Speaker 1: and there was so much hYP for it because her 249 00:11:07,784 --> 00:11:10,704 Speaker 1: fandom is so intense. She's one of the biggest in 250 00:11:10,744 --> 00:11:14,704 Speaker 1: the world, and so many artists credit her, like Taylor 251 00:11:14,744 --> 00:11:17,064 Speaker 1: Swift and other artists credit her with like shaping the 252 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:20,224 Speaker 1: music industry there all in so she came out at 253 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:23,224 Speaker 1: Cardiff to perform, to open this big tour, and the 254 00:11:23,264 --> 00:11:25,144 Speaker 1: feedback and I don't know, I feel like my TikTok 255 00:11:25,144 --> 00:11:26,824 Speaker 1: feed has been full of it. But I've been reading 256 00:11:26,864 --> 00:11:29,584 Speaker 1: all the fan comments and all the commentary from like 257 00:11:29,664 --> 00:11:32,704 Speaker 1: journalists who were there, and they said she came very late, 258 00:11:32,904 --> 00:11:35,624 Speaker 1: which she always does. Like last time she was at Glastonbury, 259 00:11:35,784 --> 00:11:38,344 Speaker 1: she came out really late because she was getting her 260 00:11:38,384 --> 00:11:40,784 Speaker 1: hair done. The thing about Glastonbury is that there's a 261 00:11:40,824 --> 00:11:43,344 Speaker 1: really tight curfew, so they cut off all the sound 262 00:11:43,344 --> 00:11:45,584 Speaker 1: and lights halfway through her song and she was trying 263 00:11:45,624 --> 00:11:47,144 Speaker 1: to get the audience to sing and everyone's like, this 264 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:49,664 Speaker 1: is not what we came to Glastonbury for. But for 265 00:11:49,784 --> 00:11:52,704 Speaker 1: her UK tour, she came out really late, and then 266 00:11:52,904 --> 00:11:54,784 Speaker 1: a lot of people said that her set list, she 267 00:11:54,824 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 1: did a few covers, she left out some of her 268 00:11:56,784 --> 00:12:00,024 Speaker 1: biggest songs, But the biggest criticism was that instead of 269 00:12:00,024 --> 00:12:02,864 Speaker 1: doing a live rendition of two of her biggest hits, 270 00:12:03,104 --> 00:12:07,544 Speaker 1: Norman Fucking Rockwell and Arcadia, instead a hologram of Lana 271 00:12:07,704 --> 00:12:11,304 Speaker 1: singing them that was pre recorded was being onto stage, 272 00:12:11,424 --> 00:12:13,784 Speaker 1: and she just went off stage. So she's there, she's 273 00:12:13,824 --> 00:12:16,384 Speaker 1: in the room, but instead of singing it, instead of 274 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:19,264 Speaker 1: singing her iconic songs that you paid there, It's like 275 00:12:19,304 --> 00:12:21,104 Speaker 1: she just went off and like took a little break. 276 00:12:21,184 --> 00:12:23,104 Speaker 1: And then also later on she was singing some other 277 00:12:23,144 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 1: songs and she couldn't remember the words, so she was 278 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,944 Speaker 1: reading them off an iPhone. I don't know, I kind 279 00:12:26,944 --> 00:12:30,384 Speaker 1: of understand when people are yeah, yeah, that would really 280 00:12:30,424 --> 00:12:31,504 Speaker 1: bother me. Yeah. 281 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:34,624 Speaker 3: I think the problem is, again you mentioned it very briefly, 282 00:12:34,624 --> 00:12:37,064 Speaker 3: but people spent a lot of money on concert tickets, 283 00:12:37,544 --> 00:12:39,424 Speaker 3: and they're also spending a lot of money to travel 284 00:12:39,464 --> 00:12:42,664 Speaker 3: to these places, so they're forking out hundreds of dollars 285 00:12:43,064 --> 00:12:45,864 Speaker 3: and then I have a real problem with lateness. 286 00:12:45,904 --> 00:12:47,504 Speaker 2: It's one of my biggest pet. 287 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:49,824 Speaker 1: Pass and people that's awkward that we work together now 288 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:53,304 Speaker 1: it's not like half an hour of age. 289 00:12:53,904 --> 00:12:55,944 Speaker 2: I don't like that if it says something that you 290 00:12:56,024 --> 00:12:58,504 Speaker 2: really have to be on time for. Yeah, yeah, it's 291 00:12:58,544 --> 00:13:00,504 Speaker 2: a show. You could have gotten your hair done then 292 00:13:00,544 --> 00:13:01,984 Speaker 2: start half an hour earlier. 293 00:13:02,424 --> 00:13:04,824 Speaker 1: I know. But I'm also like she's a performer. Like 294 00:13:06,184 --> 00:13:08,184 Speaker 1: imagine going to like an old school rock concert and 295 00:13:08,184 --> 00:13:09,744 Speaker 1: being like, oh, the band was late and they didn't 296 00:13:09,744 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 1: do this, and they didn't do that. The lateness I 297 00:13:11,824 --> 00:13:13,464 Speaker 1: can kind of get over, not just because I'm a 298 00:13:13,504 --> 00:13:16,104 Speaker 1: chronically a late person, but it's like when the artist 299 00:13:16,104 --> 00:13:19,184 Speaker 1: gets there, like you expect artistic people and like music 300 00:13:19,184 --> 00:13:21,384 Speaker 1: stars and rock stars, you expect them to be very 301 00:13:21,424 --> 00:13:24,624 Speaker 1: haphazard and creative. So her coming out late because she's 302 00:13:24,624 --> 00:13:27,144 Speaker 1: getting her head, I'm okay with that. Her kind of 303 00:13:27,184 --> 00:13:29,544 Speaker 1: being a bit emotional on stage, which she was greatly, 304 00:13:29,584 --> 00:13:31,344 Speaker 1: That's the whole point of mine, adel Rate. I think 305 00:13:31,384 --> 00:13:33,064 Speaker 1: what people are upset about it is like they don't 306 00:13:33,064 --> 00:13:35,904 Speaker 1: expect an artist to kind of wander off stage and 307 00:13:35,944 --> 00:13:37,984 Speaker 1: not come back and then put up a hologram. The 308 00:13:38,064 --> 00:13:40,144 Speaker 1: bit I saw that I was very invested in. I 309 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:42,864 Speaker 1: watched about fifty six clips of this snow joke was 310 00:13:42,904 --> 00:13:45,544 Speaker 1: at one point, she gets very emotional and she just 311 00:13:45,584 --> 00:13:47,744 Speaker 1: stops singing and she puts her head down and she 312 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:50,584 Speaker 1: starts crying. And then she walks really slowly off stage 313 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:54,144 Speaker 1: where her Alligator to a boat driver husband, Jeremy DeFraine, 314 00:13:54,464 --> 00:13:57,384 Speaker 1: is standing on the sidelines and they start making out. 315 00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:59,744 Speaker 1: This is mid concert, and I would have just said, 316 00:13:59,824 --> 00:14:01,864 Speaker 1: for me, that would have been worth a ticket admission. 317 00:14:01,904 --> 00:14:03,944 Speaker 2: Do you know what it feels to me like she 318 00:14:04,064 --> 00:14:05,144 Speaker 2: was very unprepared. 319 00:14:05,464 --> 00:14:07,264 Speaker 1: I just think that she hasn't toured for a while. 320 00:14:07,344 --> 00:14:09,504 Speaker 1: She's a very emotional person. Some of the songs that 321 00:14:09,544 --> 00:14:12,784 Speaker 1: were coming up lot, and I don't know, like she 322 00:14:12,824 --> 00:14:14,304 Speaker 1: has done this sort of stuff before. Like I think, 323 00:14:14,304 --> 00:14:16,224 Speaker 1: if you're a Lana fan, you should kind of expect it. 324 00:14:16,344 --> 00:14:18,544 Speaker 1: But yeah, she walked off stage, but the camera's following her, 325 00:14:18,544 --> 00:14:20,424 Speaker 1: so she's still up on the big screen, and then 326 00:14:20,424 --> 00:14:22,184 Speaker 1: she just starts making out with her husband, which I've 327 00:14:22,184 --> 00:14:23,824 Speaker 1: got to say it was very hot, because I'm still 328 00:14:23,864 --> 00:14:26,584 Speaker 1: obsessed for anyone who's on a cross this story. Lana met. 329 00:14:26,744 --> 00:14:29,984 Speaker 1: He's the owner, but he also drives the Alligator tour 330 00:14:30,264 --> 00:14:33,104 Speaker 1: boats in the swamps of Louisiana, and they met five 331 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:34,864 Speaker 1: years ago when she went on one of the swamp 332 00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:36,944 Speaker 1: tours and they apparently hit it off. And then many 333 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:40,584 Speaker 1: years later they've reconnected and he had just broken up 334 00:14:40,584 --> 00:14:42,504 Speaker 1: with his fiance of ten years, who was like, any 335 00:14:42,544 --> 00:14:44,944 Speaker 1: day now he's gonna propose to me. But that's another story. 336 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:48,464 Speaker 1: And then Jeremy and Lana they got engaged really quickly, 337 00:14:48,464 --> 00:14:51,104 Speaker 1: and then they got married in the swamp where he 338 00:14:51,144 --> 00:14:52,544 Speaker 1: does his tours. You don't know this. 339 00:14:52,624 --> 00:14:53,304 Speaker 2: I did not know that. 340 00:14:53,344 --> 00:14:55,864 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is my favorite celebrity story from 341 00:14:55,904 --> 00:14:58,104 Speaker 1: the last two years. So yes, in September of last year, 342 00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:01,544 Speaker 1: everyone's like Lana Delray and everyone's like it was to me, 343 00:15:01,664 --> 00:15:03,784 Speaker 1: this was like the peak of the news cycle for 344 00:15:03,904 --> 00:15:07,264 Speaker 1: last year. So she met this driver. This is one 345 00:15:07,264 --> 00:15:09,144 Speaker 1: of the most famous beautiful women in the world who 346 00:15:09,224 --> 00:15:11,664 Speaker 1: has had many famous like but also she has dated 347 00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:14,664 Speaker 1: normies before reconnected with this swamp boat driver. 348 00:15:14,984 --> 00:15:17,264 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's the fairy tail again. 349 00:15:18,904 --> 00:15:21,144 Speaker 1: This. I want this somehow I want this and Harry 350 00:15:21,184 --> 00:15:23,744 Speaker 1: Styles kissing the girl on the tent to be one movie. 351 00:15:23,864 --> 00:15:25,504 Speaker 1: I don't know how they come together, but maybe it's 352 00:15:25,504 --> 00:15:27,584 Speaker 1: like one of those New Year's Eve Mother's Day love 353 00:15:27,584 --> 00:15:30,264 Speaker 1: actually where you have all the different celeb marrying normies 354 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:33,424 Speaker 1: love stories in one movie. Okay, great, So she reconnected 355 00:15:33,464 --> 00:15:36,264 Speaker 1: with the swamp boat man. She was like, she was very. 356 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:38,304 Speaker 2: You're calling a swamp boat man. 357 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:40,424 Speaker 1: Also, people were so creeped out by him. I think 358 00:15:40,464 --> 00:15:42,864 Speaker 1: he's kind of hot, maybe not super up close, but 359 00:15:42,904 --> 00:15:45,344 Speaker 1: like he's a swamp boat driver. I think that's hotter 360 00:15:45,384 --> 00:15:47,944 Speaker 1: than like a kind of pressy celib man who's getting 361 00:15:47,944 --> 00:15:51,504 Speaker 1: more facials than you. So they got married very quickly. 362 00:15:51,504 --> 00:15:53,824 Speaker 1: She said she was inspired by Jack Antonov and Margaret 363 00:15:53,864 --> 00:15:56,504 Speaker 1: Qualley of like when you know, you know kind of thing. 364 00:15:56,784 --> 00:16:00,064 Speaker 1: So they got married in the swamp, surrounded by the 365 00:16:00,064 --> 00:16:02,584 Speaker 1: boats that are his, like swamp alligator boats, and they 366 00:16:02,584 --> 00:16:05,424 Speaker 1: were all decorated with flowers. And is that not the 367 00:16:05,424 --> 00:16:08,944 Speaker 1: most romantic thing you've ever heard? You're looking at his picture? 368 00:16:08,944 --> 00:16:11,304 Speaker 1: Okay the verdict. Does Cassenya think swat man is hot? 369 00:16:11,464 --> 00:16:12,624 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't think. 370 00:16:12,704 --> 00:16:16,384 Speaker 1: Oh really, now you have to just don't look at 371 00:16:16,384 --> 00:16:16,784 Speaker 1: his face. 372 00:16:16,864 --> 00:16:19,064 Speaker 2: No, swamp man looks like he spent too much time 373 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:19,584 Speaker 2: in the sun. 374 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:22,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also like the captain of the ship 375 00:16:22,424 --> 00:16:23,944 Speaker 1: is not a bit hot. He can like. 376 00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:29,704 Speaker 2: Fifty well, yeah, that's okay, but he's not my type. 377 00:16:29,944 --> 00:16:31,704 Speaker 1: No, well, you've got to have the back. 378 00:16:32,224 --> 00:16:36,344 Speaker 3: Orlando Blue by just throwing back to yesterday episodally. 379 00:16:35,824 --> 00:16:39,144 Speaker 1: Just discovering we have very different times. Every episode, we're 380 00:16:39,184 --> 00:16:40,464 Speaker 1: just getting further into this. 381 00:16:41,184 --> 00:16:43,464 Speaker 2: Look. As long as she's happy, I'm happy. 382 00:16:43,504 --> 00:16:45,104 Speaker 1: He's a rugged man with a job. What more do 383 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:47,104 Speaker 1: we want and owns his own business. So anyway, the 384 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:50,064 Speaker 1: alligator man is standing off stage, and when she has overcome, 385 00:16:50,144 --> 00:16:53,104 Speaker 1: she walks over. They start making out. Some people are 386 00:16:53,184 --> 00:16:55,424 Speaker 1: upset about that and that, I say, give the woman 387 00:16:55,464 --> 00:16:58,624 Speaker 1: a break. She needed to go and kiss her alligator husband, 388 00:16:58,744 --> 00:17:01,384 Speaker 1: and sometimes you need to take a moment. So there's 389 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:02,904 Speaker 1: been a lot of backlash around that. But I think 390 00:17:02,984 --> 00:17:05,584 Speaker 1: what you're saying the ticket prices, not that hers were crazy, 391 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:07,824 Speaker 1: but some people were saying, like, who went to that 392 00:17:08,144 --> 00:17:11,264 Speaker 1: concert and then went to Beyonce's Cowboy Carter concert that's 393 00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:13,944 Speaker 1: also touring at the moment, And obviously a lot of 394 00:17:13,944 --> 00:17:16,384 Speaker 1: the Beyonce tickets are more expensive, but some of them 395 00:17:16,384 --> 00:17:19,584 Speaker 1: weren't more expensive than Lana, And they were kind of 396 00:17:19,584 --> 00:17:21,824 Speaker 1: comparing what they got from each one and saying that 397 00:17:21,864 --> 00:17:25,304 Speaker 1: Cowboy Carter is like so jam packed, it always starts 398 00:17:25,304 --> 00:17:27,744 Speaker 1: on time, it's got so visual, it's so amazing, and 399 00:17:27,784 --> 00:17:29,584 Speaker 1: you just get your money's worth. And that's what people 400 00:17:29,624 --> 00:17:31,984 Speaker 1: said about Taylor Swift's tour as well. And I think 401 00:17:32,024 --> 00:17:34,944 Speaker 1: this is what happens with this idea that concerts, particularly 402 00:17:34,984 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 1: pop concerts, are like the new biggest form of tourism, 403 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:41,064 Speaker 1: and so people are basing like their yearly holiday and 404 00:17:41,104 --> 00:17:44,384 Speaker 1: their yearly splurge around going to these concerts. And that's 405 00:17:44,384 --> 00:17:47,344 Speaker 1: why you see like all these smaller festivals, particularly in 406 00:17:47,384 --> 00:17:51,624 Speaker 1: Australia stopping now or like unable to continue because people 407 00:17:51,664 --> 00:17:53,944 Speaker 1: instead of buying festival tickets because of the price of 408 00:17:53,984 --> 00:17:56,624 Speaker 1: things and having to travel to these bigger tours, people 409 00:17:56,704 --> 00:17:58,664 Speaker 1: are doing like one big thing a year, and it's 410 00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:03,704 Speaker 1: usually a Beyonce, a Taylor Alana. So when their holiday 411 00:18:03,744 --> 00:18:06,704 Speaker 1: effectively is ruined because the concert is bad, they're more 412 00:18:06,744 --> 00:18:07,784 Speaker 1: liable to lash out. 413 00:18:07,824 --> 00:18:10,504 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and it just sounds to me it 414 00:18:10,544 --> 00:18:13,464 Speaker 3: sounds like it was. I think people have such high expectations. 415 00:18:13,464 --> 00:18:16,024 Speaker 3: Now you're right after seeing Taylor Swift's tour, we know 416 00:18:16,104 --> 00:18:19,184 Speaker 3: Beyonce always does an incredible tour. Yeah, people have very 417 00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:23,304 Speaker 3: high expectations so when it feels a bit sloppy, and 418 00:18:23,304 --> 00:18:25,384 Speaker 3: that to me is what is what it sounds like, 419 00:18:25,384 --> 00:18:28,304 Speaker 3: Like the holograph thing sounds like a bit of laziness 420 00:18:28,384 --> 00:18:31,064 Speaker 3: to me, like her kind of I'm sure it looked cool, 421 00:18:31,064 --> 00:18:32,824 Speaker 3: but she should have sung that live. But being in 422 00:18:32,904 --> 00:18:35,384 Speaker 3: it late then kind of like slinking off not knowing 423 00:18:35,384 --> 00:18:38,424 Speaker 3: the words. It just feels like it wasn't rehearsed enough, 424 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:43,504 Speaker 3: perhaps not as well organized as something like or professional 425 00:18:43,584 --> 00:18:45,944 Speaker 3: or something like a cowboy cartter or Taylor Swift. But 426 00:18:45,984 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 3: we have people have such high expectations now. I'm sure 427 00:18:49,584 --> 00:18:51,864 Speaker 3: if this concert was twenty years ago, people wouldn't have 428 00:18:51,944 --> 00:18:55,704 Speaker 3: said a word. But I think particularly with these pop stars, 429 00:18:56,624 --> 00:18:59,304 Speaker 3: we've seen what people do on stage, Like Pink kind 430 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:03,304 Speaker 3: of like started doing well. She's like aerial things on 431 00:19:03,464 --> 00:19:06,544 Speaker 3: all of her through the crowd and everything, like Taylor 432 00:19:06,624 --> 00:19:10,384 Speaker 3: Swift's like that reputation tour. I have never seen so 433 00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:14,464 Speaker 3: much hype around a tour in my life is all 434 00:19:14,504 --> 00:19:16,464 Speaker 3: about the stage performance. 435 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:18,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it feels like it was maybe just 436 00:19:18,704 --> 00:19:19,744 Speaker 2: a bit sloppy for her. 437 00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:22,144 Speaker 1: I think her fans have kind of divided, but obviously, 438 00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:24,224 Speaker 1: like you know, she's such an icon, so people will 439 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:26,904 Speaker 1: still be very invested Her'll be interesting to see how 440 00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:29,704 Speaker 1: the rest of her shows go. But look, I think 441 00:19:29,704 --> 00:19:30,984 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I know I didn't 442 00:19:30,984 --> 00:19:32,704 Speaker 1: get I didn't lose any money on it. But the 443 00:19:32,744 --> 00:19:35,504 Speaker 1: end of the day, her kissing her alligator man on stage, 444 00:19:35,504 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 1: I was like. 445 00:19:36,344 --> 00:19:38,344 Speaker 2: Let's get Laura an alligator man. 446 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna know. I'm only surrounded by these 447 00:19:41,744 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 1: like influencer pressy men in Sydney. 448 00:19:43,664 --> 00:19:47,144 Speaker 3: Okay, Laura, We're not going to get you an alligator man. 449 00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:48,744 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get eat your crocodile man. 450 00:19:48,784 --> 00:19:53,024 Speaker 1: Babes Okay, great, Me and Robert Irwin can't wait. So 451 00:19:53,064 --> 00:19:55,824 Speaker 1: you know, there's a trend on on all social platforms 452 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,704 Speaker 1: that mainly on TikTok where doctors who have never treated 453 00:19:58,904 --> 00:20:01,344 Speaker 1: famous people get their images up and they go through 454 00:20:01,384 --> 00:20:04,184 Speaker 1: and say every cosmetic procedure they think they've had and 455 00:20:04,264 --> 00:20:06,824 Speaker 1: explain why they look a certain way, all that sort 456 00:20:06,864 --> 00:20:08,464 Speaker 1: of stuff and that, like you know, these videos can 457 00:20:08,504 --> 00:20:11,584 Speaker 1: get huge traction and like a lot of use. Recently, 458 00:20:11,664 --> 00:20:14,304 Speaker 1: Chloe Kardashian is the latest I guess victim of this 459 00:20:14,744 --> 00:20:18,144 Speaker 1: because to celebrate her forty first birthday, which is not 460 00:20:18,144 --> 00:20:21,384 Speaker 1: a very nice way to celebrate someone's birthday. A London 461 00:20:21,424 --> 00:20:25,624 Speaker 1: based doctor called Johnny Bettenridge put up two photos of 462 00:20:25,664 --> 00:20:29,144 Speaker 1: her which were many years apart, and went through her 463 00:20:29,224 --> 00:20:34,064 Speaker 1: transformation and talked about all of the cosmetic procedures he 464 00:20:34,184 --> 00:20:37,264 Speaker 1: thinks she's had done to really transform her face. So 465 00:20:37,344 --> 00:20:39,184 Speaker 1: he put up a photo from over a decade ago 466 00:20:39,224 --> 00:20:42,064 Speaker 1: and also a photo from the recent infamous Venice wedding, 467 00:20:42,184 --> 00:20:45,584 Speaker 1: the Billionaire Wedding, and said, based on recent photos, I 468 00:20:45,624 --> 00:20:48,024 Speaker 1: believe she may have had the following work done. And 469 00:20:48,104 --> 00:20:50,024 Speaker 1: he went on to list a lot of things including 470 00:20:50,064 --> 00:20:53,384 Speaker 1: a temporal brow lift to elevate the outer brow area 471 00:20:53,984 --> 00:20:58,864 Speaker 1: and upper not a doctor guy's blessed blessed plasty. Oh okay, yeah, 472 00:20:58,944 --> 00:21:01,144 Speaker 1: just leftroplasty. Okay, I'm glad you know what that is 473 00:21:01,464 --> 00:21:04,984 Speaker 1: to smooth the upper eyelids, a rhinoplasty from all sculpted 474 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:08,424 Speaker 1: nose filler to enhance volume and shape, a face and 475 00:21:08,544 --> 00:21:12,904 Speaker 1: necklift for overall tightness and phoinian and a chin implant 476 00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:15,824 Speaker 1: to lower her face projection. So he went on to 477 00:21:15,864 --> 00:21:18,424 Speaker 1: say that she's had a huge amount of work done 478 00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:21,544 Speaker 1: and that's why she looks so dramatically different in the 479 00:21:21,624 --> 00:21:23,984 Speaker 1: last couple of years. He also said that he can 480 00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:25,624 Speaker 1: see she's had a bit of a glam makeover and 481 00:21:25,664 --> 00:21:28,264 Speaker 1: she's styling herself differently, but pretty much. He went on 482 00:21:28,304 --> 00:21:31,144 Speaker 1: to say, like from a doctor's perspective who works in 483 00:21:31,144 --> 00:21:34,144 Speaker 1: this area, she's had a full face transplant, which is 484 00:21:34,144 --> 00:21:36,744 Speaker 1: something people have been saying about Chloe katashi in for years. 485 00:21:36,904 --> 00:21:41,064 Speaker 3: Okay, So Chloe came back and actually commented on the post, 486 00:21:41,104 --> 00:21:44,064 Speaker 3: which I love, and she has commented on this in 487 00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:46,504 Speaker 3: the past. So she basically said, look, I've always been 488 00:21:46,504 --> 00:21:49,544 Speaker 3: really honest about what I've had done. 489 00:21:49,704 --> 00:21:51,904 Speaker 2: She actually tagged all of the people as well. So 490 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:53,184 Speaker 2: this is what she lists. 491 00:21:53,704 --> 00:21:56,664 Speaker 3: Her nose job she had done by doctor Raj Canadia 492 00:21:56,784 --> 00:21:59,904 Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills. She had Laiser hair removal on her 493 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:04,464 Speaker 3: hairline and all over her body. She had botox and sculpture. 494 00:22:04,784 --> 00:22:07,264 Speaker 3: She didn't say where she got that done. Sculpturer is 495 00:22:07,304 --> 00:22:10,664 Speaker 3: an injectable cosmetic treatment that stimulates college and product to 496 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:14,344 Speaker 3: restore facial volume and reduce sprinkles. Soft wave, which is 497 00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:16,984 Speaker 3: a non invasive laser I wouldn't call laser surgery. 498 00:22:17,144 --> 00:22:18,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, just quietly. 499 00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:21,104 Speaker 3: She had collagen baby threads underneath her chin and neck 500 00:22:21,144 --> 00:22:23,624 Speaker 3: from the things we do, So that's just basically where 501 00:22:23,624 --> 00:22:25,384 Speaker 3: they put these little threads in there and it like 502 00:22:25,704 --> 00:22:28,744 Speaker 3: mimics a face lift. Yees. She said that she also 503 00:22:28,824 --> 00:22:31,624 Speaker 3: had filler, but it's been a number of years so 504 00:22:31,624 --> 00:22:34,384 Speaker 3: that's probably dissolved out of her face. And then she 505 00:22:34,384 --> 00:22:36,544 Speaker 3: also talks about like having a ton of facials, like 506 00:22:36,624 --> 00:22:39,024 Speaker 3: slam facials and things like that. But I would never 507 00:22:39,104 --> 00:22:41,944 Speaker 3: consider facials as part of a cosmoicy. 508 00:22:41,464 --> 00:22:43,984 Speaker 1: No, no, no, But I think it's that's very telling that 509 00:22:44,064 --> 00:22:45,904 Speaker 1: it's in there, like that's part of the cover up 510 00:22:46,064 --> 00:22:46,704 Speaker 1: to an extent. 511 00:22:47,424 --> 00:22:50,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, But doctor Betteridge, I've seen a lot of his 512 00:22:50,224 --> 00:22:52,544 Speaker 3: clips before. I don't think it was being nasty. 513 00:22:53,184 --> 00:22:53,864 Speaker 2: It was nasty. 514 00:22:53,904 --> 00:22:56,664 Speaker 1: He's just that his profession. He's more just commenting from 515 00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:59,464 Speaker 1: his profession obviously, like it's never great to comment on 516 00:22:59,504 --> 00:23:01,544 Speaker 1: anyone's face. But at the same time, he wasn't like 517 00:23:01,784 --> 00:23:03,544 Speaker 1: there's some videos like that I've seen where they rip 518 00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:05,824 Speaker 1: them apart. He was just saying, like, in my professional opinion, 519 00:23:05,864 --> 00:23:07,504 Speaker 1: this is everything I think she's had done. Well. 520 00:23:07,504 --> 00:23:09,304 Speaker 3: It's interesting when he was looking at photos of like 521 00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:11,504 Speaker 3: the ear and then they to think about like where's 522 00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:15,184 Speaker 3: the ear gone? But that ear movement could be explained 523 00:23:15,224 --> 00:23:16,184 Speaker 3: by the baby threads. 524 00:23:16,184 --> 00:23:17,704 Speaker 2: Again, I'm not a doctor. I don't know how this 525 00:23:17,744 --> 00:23:18,704 Speaker 2: stuff works. 526 00:23:18,744 --> 00:23:21,944 Speaker 3: But I've heard those little thread things, those collagen things 527 00:23:22,024 --> 00:23:25,344 Speaker 3: that could explain why her ear was a bit different. Anyway, 528 00:23:25,584 --> 00:23:27,984 Speaker 3: what I think is really nice about this I quite 529 00:23:28,104 --> 00:23:31,304 Speaker 3: like that Chloe's been very candid and she's like, this 530 00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:32,904 Speaker 3: is what I've done, and. 531 00:23:32,904 --> 00:23:35,184 Speaker 2: Here are all the places that I got it. Do 532 00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,664 Speaker 2: we think she left something out? 533 00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:39,704 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? And that's the kind of interesting thing. Is like, 534 00:23:39,704 --> 00:23:41,784 Speaker 1: I'd never be one of those people who demands that 535 00:23:41,864 --> 00:23:44,424 Speaker 1: celebrities tell us everything that they've done to her faces 536 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:47,144 Speaker 1: and bodies, because I just assume they've done a whole 537 00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:50,744 Speaker 1: bunch of wild, crazy, expensive stuff. And I always think 538 00:23:50,744 --> 00:23:53,424 Speaker 1: it's completely unattainable to look the way they look and 539 00:23:53,424 --> 00:23:54,744 Speaker 1: then look the way we look. But I know a 540 00:23:54,784 --> 00:23:56,304 Speaker 1: lot of other people don't think that, and there is 541 00:23:56,424 --> 00:23:59,744 Speaker 1: real push to get celebrities to tell us everything. And 542 00:23:59,824 --> 00:24:03,064 Speaker 1: I wonder if she's sort of seen how favorably people 543 00:24:03,144 --> 00:24:05,904 Speaker 1: reacted to her mum, Christiana when she had that big 544 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:10,104 Speaker 1: face and necklace surgery recently, and her doctor came out 545 00:24:10,104 --> 00:24:12,264 Speaker 1: and Can affirmed it, and Christian and confirmed it. And 546 00:24:12,304 --> 00:24:15,104 Speaker 1: then also recently Kylie Jenner, who's also been accused over 547 00:24:15,104 --> 00:24:17,984 Speaker 1: the years of having like basically a full face transplant, 548 00:24:18,384 --> 00:24:20,944 Speaker 1: replied to someone on TikTok and gave the exact formula 549 00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:23,664 Speaker 1: for her boob job, like the amount that she had 550 00:24:23,704 --> 00:24:26,264 Speaker 1: put in, where she had the implant, put who her 551 00:24:26,304 --> 00:24:28,424 Speaker 1: doctor was, all that sort of stuff, and they got 552 00:24:28,464 --> 00:24:30,544 Speaker 1: really celebrated. So I wonder I Chloe was kind of 553 00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:33,344 Speaker 1: going down that path. But I also think it's almost like, 554 00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:35,664 Speaker 1: I think the thing that the Kadashians and a few 555 00:24:35,664 --> 00:24:40,104 Speaker 1: celebs leading into now it's almost like deflective honesty. I yeah, 556 00:24:40,264 --> 00:24:43,544 Speaker 1: deflective honesty because they know they can't blatantly lie and 557 00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:46,504 Speaker 1: say nothing, so instead of doing that, they kind of 558 00:24:46,624 --> 00:24:50,464 Speaker 1: bread crumb a few little less invasive things or well, 559 00:24:50,504 --> 00:24:51,704 Speaker 1: so like, oh, I just got like a bit of 560 00:24:51,744 --> 00:24:53,744 Speaker 1: a boob job, or I got this like little tweak here, 561 00:24:54,144 --> 00:24:57,064 Speaker 1: and then it kind of throws people off the conversation 562 00:24:57,144 --> 00:25:00,904 Speaker 1: the bigger conversation of having like almost a full face transformation. 563 00:25:01,184 --> 00:25:01,464 Speaker 2: Yeah. 564 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:03,944 Speaker 3: I think that that's a really interesting point. People do 565 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:06,024 Speaker 3: that a lot, where they'll be like, oh, no, it's 566 00:25:06,224 --> 00:25:08,864 Speaker 3: just this or I had to have that. It's a 567 00:25:08,904 --> 00:25:10,904 Speaker 3: way of like, you give it them a little bit 568 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,624 Speaker 3: of information, even if there's more on ye that keep 569 00:25:13,664 --> 00:25:16,104 Speaker 3: them a little bit, to keep them satiated. I don't 570 00:25:16,144 --> 00:25:19,184 Speaker 3: think celebrities owe us an explanation on what that they've 571 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:22,744 Speaker 3: had done to their bodies and faces. However, I do 572 00:25:22,824 --> 00:25:26,384 Speaker 3: think it's nice to be honest about it, particularly when 573 00:25:26,384 --> 00:25:30,504 Speaker 3: it's something that's quite obvious. Yeah, so you know when 574 00:25:30,544 --> 00:25:33,984 Speaker 3: people are like, oh, it was just weight loss, or 575 00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:37,304 Speaker 3: oh I just drink green smoothies or whatever like that 576 00:25:37,584 --> 00:25:40,744 Speaker 3: bothers me because it makes it so that people who 577 00:25:40,864 --> 00:25:43,664 Speaker 3: don't realize because yes, you and I know that that 578 00:25:43,784 --> 00:25:45,824 Speaker 3: is unattainable, and they have a lot of money and 579 00:25:45,864 --> 00:25:49,944 Speaker 3: they have this access to the best facial stylists all 580 00:25:49,984 --> 00:25:51,344 Speaker 3: of that to make them look good. You and I 581 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,464 Speaker 3: know that, but there's a lot of people out there 582 00:25:53,464 --> 00:25:56,464 Speaker 3: that think that they're not in the right bodies. 583 00:25:56,144 --> 00:25:57,904 Speaker 2: Because they don't look like yeah exactly. 584 00:25:58,184 --> 00:25:59,824 Speaker 3: So I do think they do have a bit of 585 00:25:59,824 --> 00:26:03,744 Speaker 3: a responsibility to tell people that there's a lot that 586 00:26:03,824 --> 00:26:07,624 Speaker 3: goes into the way that they look and the way 587 00:26:07,664 --> 00:26:11,544 Speaker 3: that Kim Kardashian looks at forty five, it's not necessarily 588 00:26:11,624 --> 00:26:12,664 Speaker 3: quote unquote normal. 589 00:26:12,944 --> 00:26:13,624 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 590 00:26:14,064 --> 00:26:15,984 Speaker 3: That's not how a lot of forty five year old 591 00:26:15,984 --> 00:26:20,504 Speaker 3: women look if they age without the help from cosmetic procedures. 592 00:26:20,584 --> 00:26:23,264 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That's the interesting thing. It's like they want 593 00:26:23,264 --> 00:26:24,744 Speaker 1: to give us this little bit because I know, like 594 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:27,464 Speaker 1: the Kardashians especially, they have always said, like, we're open 595 00:26:27,504 --> 00:26:29,824 Speaker 1: and honest about what we do, and so they'll kind 596 00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:32,304 Speaker 1: of like Pepper in these little truth statements. But even like, yeah, 597 00:26:32,304 --> 00:26:34,224 Speaker 1: putting in all the facials and things, it's like a 598 00:26:34,224 --> 00:26:37,704 Speaker 1: facial doesn't change the bone structure of your face. And 599 00:26:37,744 --> 00:26:39,744 Speaker 1: I know that Chloe also put in her statement because 600 00:26:39,744 --> 00:26:42,504 Speaker 1: she had that tumor removed from her cheek and that's 601 00:26:42,504 --> 00:26:44,944 Speaker 1: why she was photographed wearing a bandage for many months, 602 00:26:44,984 --> 00:26:47,304 Speaker 1: and I know that that she was talking about having 603 00:26:47,304 --> 00:26:49,064 Speaker 1: to get some sort of work done to fix that. 604 00:26:49,264 --> 00:26:52,104 Speaker 1: Like obviously it's totally understandable, But at the same time, 605 00:26:52,504 --> 00:26:55,664 Speaker 1: the conversation on her face was well before that, so 606 00:26:55,784 --> 00:26:57,344 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I don't know what she's had done. 607 00:26:57,544 --> 00:27:01,024 Speaker 1: I'm also the worst also picking when people have cosmetic surgery, 608 00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:03,384 Speaker 1: Like I'm always the last person to guess. But I 609 00:27:03,664 --> 00:27:06,064 Speaker 1: do think that it's a lot bigger than a nose 610 00:27:06,144 --> 00:27:08,944 Speaker 1: job and some fillers in there. But what I think 611 00:27:09,024 --> 00:27:11,384 Speaker 1: is more kind of the select that we should demand 612 00:27:11,384 --> 00:27:14,024 Speaker 1: truth from other ones who are selling products to get 613 00:27:14,064 --> 00:27:15,944 Speaker 1: us to look like them. If you're just out and 614 00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:18,144 Speaker 1: about walking on a red carpet and you've had your 615 00:27:18,184 --> 00:27:21,664 Speaker 1: whole face redone and it's so obvious, but you say, 616 00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:23,344 Speaker 1: oh my god, no, I've just been drinking a lot 617 00:27:23,384 --> 00:27:26,864 Speaker 1: of water. I'm just a yeah, exactly, I'm just drinking 618 00:27:26,864 --> 00:27:29,424 Speaker 1: what do you say, cheer seeds. And you're like, oh, look, 619 00:27:29,904 --> 00:27:32,024 Speaker 1: the world is really mucked up, and you just have 620 00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:33,744 Speaker 1: to say that, and it's fine, I get it. But 621 00:27:33,824 --> 00:27:35,824 Speaker 1: if you're one of those slips who's out there peddling 622 00:27:35,824 --> 00:27:38,704 Speaker 1: a beauty brand and you're holding up these expensive bottles 623 00:27:38,704 --> 00:27:40,744 Speaker 1: and saying, if you buy this, you'll look like me. 624 00:27:41,104 --> 00:27:44,504 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez and Kim Kardashian to an extent, both these 625 00:27:44,504 --> 00:27:46,944 Speaker 1: women have said they've had nothing done to their faces, 626 00:27:47,184 --> 00:27:49,584 Speaker 1: that they've had no cosmetic procedures, they don't use all 627 00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:52,144 Speaker 1: those crazy botox fillers, all that sort of stuff, like 628 00:27:52,184 --> 00:27:55,024 Speaker 1: their words, and then they both have these very expensive 629 00:27:55,104 --> 00:27:58,104 Speaker 1: like beauty brands and lines and things that they put 630 00:27:58,104 --> 00:28:00,424 Speaker 1: their names to, and that's where I think I would 631 00:28:00,424 --> 00:28:01,824 Speaker 1: demand a bit more transparency. 632 00:28:01,984 --> 00:28:02,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 633 00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:06,904 Speaker 3: I think we particularly Jalo that drives me crazy. It's 634 00:28:06,944 --> 00:28:07,624 Speaker 3: not olive oil. 635 00:28:08,024 --> 00:28:11,664 Speaker 1: I know, it's not all oil. People do age very differently. 636 00:28:12,304 --> 00:28:13,064 Speaker 2: But she's her. 637 00:28:13,184 --> 00:28:17,464 Speaker 3: She's like, she obviously has good genes. I don't doubt that, 638 00:28:17,584 --> 00:28:19,624 Speaker 3: but I'm there's no way. 639 00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:21,664 Speaker 1: It's also like, there's no way that you're under that 640 00:28:21,784 --> 00:28:25,264 Speaker 1: much public scrutiny and you have that much money and 641 00:28:25,304 --> 00:28:27,344 Speaker 1: you don't do something. To me. That's the bigger thing 642 00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:29,584 Speaker 1: than like even her sort of saying like it's a 643 00:28:29,624 --> 00:28:31,944 Speaker 1: moral thing. It's just like you have all the means 644 00:28:31,984 --> 00:28:33,504 Speaker 1: there to do it, so you're more likely to do it. 645 00:28:33,504 --> 00:28:35,304 Speaker 1: But I think the big fish in this conversation is 646 00:28:35,384 --> 00:28:38,144 Speaker 1: Kim katash In because out of all her sisters, she 647 00:28:38,384 --> 00:28:41,264 Speaker 1: has always been the one that's denied anything. Like I 648 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:43,584 Speaker 1: do kind of think like the butt implant thing might 649 00:28:43,624 --> 00:28:45,424 Speaker 1: have been a lie. I know she had the members, 650 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:46,784 Speaker 1: she had them x ray her, she had her butt 651 00:28:46,864 --> 00:28:48,944 Speaker 1: x rayed on her. That was kind of shins and 652 00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:50,104 Speaker 1: that was the whole thing, and I was like, I 653 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,944 Speaker 1: actually do kind of believe that that's real. Like I've 654 00:28:52,984 --> 00:28:56,664 Speaker 1: never thought that she had it implant, that's that seems. 655 00:28:56,704 --> 00:28:57,544 Speaker 2: I think implants. 656 00:28:57,664 --> 00:28:59,824 Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of botched so I really really 657 00:28:59,984 --> 00:29:02,864 Speaker 3: plastic surgery. That was sarcasm even in case I didn't 658 00:29:02,864 --> 00:29:06,704 Speaker 3: come across audio wives. So I don't think butt implants 659 00:29:06,704 --> 00:29:09,224 Speaker 3: are actually a thing. Like it's more like the BBL 660 00:29:09,424 --> 00:29:12,424 Speaker 3: So removing the fat. Yeah, putting actual implants in a 661 00:29:12,464 --> 00:29:15,304 Speaker 3: bomb is really hard because you sit on your bump, 662 00:29:15,944 --> 00:29:18,144 Speaker 3: so it's not very safe to put silicone in. 663 00:29:18,624 --> 00:29:19,744 Speaker 1: That sounds dangerous. 664 00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:22,904 Speaker 3: So even bbls aren't very safe to do it. They're 665 00:29:23,144 --> 00:29:24,544 Speaker 3: quite dangerous. 666 00:29:24,104 --> 00:29:25,704 Speaker 1: Because heinful from what we've heard. 667 00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:27,984 Speaker 3: Yes, so they suck all that fat out and putting 668 00:29:28,024 --> 00:29:30,624 Speaker 3: that fat in there, the fat can move, it can migrate. 669 00:29:30,904 --> 00:29:36,304 Speaker 3: They're quite dangerous procedures. I don't think she's got butt implants, 670 00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:40,544 Speaker 3: but it is really interesting to me. I think out 671 00:29:40,544 --> 00:29:42,984 Speaker 3: of all of her sisters, she's never admitted to anything. 672 00:29:43,464 --> 00:29:45,904 Speaker 3: I wonder what it is that is keeping her from 673 00:29:46,624 --> 00:29:47,504 Speaker 3: just being honest. 674 00:29:48,144 --> 00:29:50,304 Speaker 1: I think because even though she talks about the fact 675 00:29:50,304 --> 00:29:53,024 Speaker 1: that like she'll show how much time she spends in 676 00:29:53,064 --> 00:29:55,384 Speaker 1: glam and she'll show how much time she gets her 677 00:29:55,424 --> 00:29:58,504 Speaker 1: face contoured, and she'll show her hair extensions and her 678 00:29:58,544 --> 00:30:00,744 Speaker 1: crazy makeup and all these things. But I think she 679 00:30:00,784 --> 00:30:04,064 Speaker 1: really prides herself. She's like, I change my body, like 680 00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:07,104 Speaker 1: I will run on a treadmill in that heated suit 681 00:30:07,344 --> 00:30:09,304 Speaker 1: for hours on end. I will go It's like a 682 00:30:09,304 --> 00:30:11,104 Speaker 1: point of pride with her. She's like, I will go 683 00:30:11,224 --> 00:30:13,624 Speaker 1: for days without food. And everyone's like, oh my god, 684 00:30:13,624 --> 00:30:16,864 Speaker 1: no toxic duyet culture, But for her, it's more important 685 00:30:16,864 --> 00:30:19,064 Speaker 1: to be like, I did this by myself, and here's 686 00:30:19,144 --> 00:30:21,864 Speaker 1: everything I did to my body. She'll put herself into 687 00:30:21,904 --> 00:30:25,104 Speaker 1: these wild corsets and waste trainers, and that's like the 688 00:30:25,144 --> 00:30:28,104 Speaker 1: mythology of Kim Kardashian, that she changes the shape of 689 00:30:28,104 --> 00:30:30,824 Speaker 1: her body in these wild ways, and she loves like 690 00:30:30,864 --> 00:30:32,624 Speaker 1: showing when she gets back from the met gala and 691 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,304 Speaker 1: her whole back is bruised from the corsets and stuff. 692 00:30:35,304 --> 00:30:36,944 Speaker 1: It's like a very point of pride with her that 693 00:30:36,984 --> 00:30:37,504 Speaker 1: she did that. 694 00:30:37,624 --> 00:30:38,664 Speaker 2: It's like she's an athlete. 695 00:30:38,744 --> 00:30:40,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she always said. She's like, I'm an athlete, 696 00:30:40,864 --> 00:30:43,184 Speaker 1: Like I trained for these events. I push my body 697 00:30:43,184 --> 00:30:45,304 Speaker 1: to the brink to look a certain way, and it's 698 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:46,904 Speaker 1: like a point of pride with her. So then if 699 00:30:46,904 --> 00:30:49,704 Speaker 1: she starts saying I've had I don't even know, like 700 00:30:49,904 --> 00:30:53,904 Speaker 1: that sucked out liposuction, botox fillers, it takes away from 701 00:30:53,904 --> 00:30:56,304 Speaker 1: the mythology of her, so I think. And also, she's 702 00:30:56,304 --> 00:30:58,544 Speaker 1: got her beauty line, and she always says like, I 703 00:30:58,704 --> 00:31:02,224 Speaker 1: use these particular products and they're super expensive, and she's like, 704 00:31:02,264 --> 00:31:05,264 Speaker 1: if you buy these Kim Skin products, you'll look like me. 705 00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:07,744 Speaker 1: So if she's one of those celebrities where if she 706 00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:10,384 Speaker 1: comes out and says I've had my face fredone, and 707 00:31:10,504 --> 00:31:12,664 Speaker 1: her business will falter. So I don't think she's ever 708 00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,544 Speaker 1: going to say it, but she would be the person 709 00:31:14,584 --> 00:31:16,944 Speaker 1: I'd be most interested to have this kind of like 710 00:31:17,624 --> 00:31:20,904 Speaker 1: defensive honesty moment of at least kind of like Pepper, 711 00:31:20,944 --> 00:31:23,824 Speaker 1: a few little tidbits of look. 712 00:31:23,904 --> 00:31:26,144 Speaker 2: I love the honesty. I think we should keep it up. 713 00:31:26,184 --> 00:31:30,144 Speaker 3: I think people need to be way more transparent about 714 00:31:30,144 --> 00:31:33,184 Speaker 3: what they've done, particularly when their whole face has changed, 715 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:36,664 Speaker 3: particularly as women are aging and like, we don't even 716 00:31:36,704 --> 00:31:38,544 Speaker 3: know what a regular fifty year old woman looks like 717 00:31:38,584 --> 00:31:42,824 Speaker 3: anymore because of fust surgery, don't get me wrong. I 718 00:31:42,904 --> 00:31:44,824 Speaker 3: am going to be doing all the things that I 719 00:31:44,864 --> 00:31:46,144 Speaker 3: possibly can. 720 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,824 Speaker 1: I say I want to as well. I'm just really 721 00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,624 Speaker 1: scared of needles. You haven't. Yeah, I want to get botox, 722 00:31:51,944 --> 00:31:53,664 Speaker 1: like honestly, just because we're on camera all the time. 723 00:31:53,664 --> 00:31:55,744 Speaker 1: So this doesn't mean I understand why celebs do it, 724 00:31:55,984 --> 00:31:58,384 Speaker 1: but I'm so scared of having it doesn't my face. 725 00:31:58,544 --> 00:31:59,544 Speaker 2: Really, I've had botox. 726 00:31:59,544 --> 00:32:00,944 Speaker 1: It doesn't. All right, you might have to come with me, 727 00:32:02,024 --> 00:32:04,344 Speaker 1: please do, please do well. 728 00:32:04,344 --> 00:32:06,824 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today, 729 00:32:07,064 --> 00:32:10,104 Speaker 3: and don't forget to follow this bill on TikTok and Instagram. 730 00:32:10,584 --> 00:32:13,464 Speaker 3: Lots of really fun things on there and little tidbits 731 00:32:13,544 --> 00:32:16,744 Speaker 3: and The Spill is produced by Manisha Zwarren with sound 732 00:32:16,784 --> 00:32:20,264 Speaker 3: production by Scott Stronik. Mama Mia Studios are Style with 733 00:32:20,304 --> 00:32:23,984 Speaker 3: furniture from Fenton and Fenton. Visit fentoninventon dot com dot au. 734 00:32:24,504 --> 00:32:26,784 Speaker 3: We'll see you back here in your podcast feed at 735 00:32:26,784 --> 00:32:27,624 Speaker 3: three pm tomorrow. 736 00:32:27,784 --> 00:32:29,984 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye