Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Maya acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
Speaker 1: is recorded on. It's nice to fall in love with
Speaker 1: a person's way rather than just like the way they look,
Speaker 1: or sexual chemistry or whatever. It was just like a
Speaker 1: really deep understanding of each other before we even were
Speaker 1: in person for the first time.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Kate Lanebrook. Welcome to No Filter. Teresa Palmer
Speaker 2: is an open book in the most generous, heartfelt way,
Speaker 2: whether she's sharing stories on her podcast, The Mother Days
Speaker 2: or offering wisdom through her best selling book, The Zen
Speaker 2: Mama Guide to Finding Your Rhythm in Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond.
Speaker 1: Teresa has a.
Speaker 2: Remarkable way of letting you into her world. And what
Speaker 2: a world it is, a whirlwind of creativity, chaos, and love.
Speaker 2: Her family a traveling circus. Her words not mine, but
Speaker 2: she does. She's got a big family, She's got lots
Speaker 2: of projects and deeply personal experiences that she's never been
Speaker 2: afraid to share. In this special bonus episode of No Filter,
Speaker 2: Teresa sits down with our head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnick,
Speaker 2: to talk about her latest role in the Last anniversary,
Speaker 2: which is a great show, but the conversation quickly becomes
Speaker 2: so much more than that. With her heart firmly on
Speaker 2: her sleeve, Teresa opens up about the village of women
Speaker 2: who've helped her balance a thriving career with motherhood. She
Speaker 2: reflects on the deep female friendships that keep her grounded
Speaker 2: and the story of how she met her now husband Mark,
Speaker 2: after writing a ten page manifestation letter to the universe,
Speaker 2: let's get scribbling. She's a dreamer, a doer, and above all,
Speaker 2: someone who leads with heart.
Speaker 1: This is Teresa Palmer.
Speaker 3: Well, Teresa Palmer, Welcome to Mama MEA thank you.
Speaker 1: I have been a big fan OFS for a very
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 3: Oh look, every softime we see you like our Instagram
Speaker 3: post and we do get quite excited because we're a
Speaker 3: big fan of yours as well.
Speaker 4: I'm I legit, I am a super fan.
Speaker 1: And I've listened to so many of the podcasts, the
Speaker 1: True Crime podcast I've listened to every episode.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm really.
Speaker 3: Caught up ringing in doors. So last time I saw
Speaker 3: you you was last night walking the red carp at
Speaker 3: the State Theater, up on stage with just a casual
Speaker 3: Leanne Moriarty to your right, launching your new series in
Speaker 3: a beautiful gown, full hair and makeup, And I wanted
Speaker 3: to ask you about the logistics of that because I
Speaker 3: know you have four children at home and another on
Speaker 3: the way. Yes, when you're doing these big traveling press stays,
Speaker 3: what are the logistics of that? Do you get to
Speaker 3: go and be in a hotel room by yourself for Oh okay, great,
Speaker 3: tell me about.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually expecting our sixth baby because I have
Speaker 1: a step son as well, who was there last night.
Speaker 1: Oh lovely, Isaac Raicht Isaac exactly. He's about to be
Speaker 1: seventeen and he lives in America most of the time.
Speaker 1: He's at a very academic high school, so he doesn't
Speaker 1: get to venture to Australia that often. But it just
Speaker 1: so happened that he flew in the day of the premiere.
Speaker 1: So I was like, right, you're coming with me, first
Speaker 1: time on the red carpet with him and the boys.
Speaker 1: But we just decided we're a bit of a traveling circus.
Speaker 1: So when we work away, Mark's working away at the moment,
Speaker 1: he's here in Sydney, but we live in Byron Bay,
Speaker 1: so we just thought if I'm going to be in Sydney,
Speaker 1: Mark's gonna be working in Sydney, Isaac's flying into Sydney.
Speaker 1: Let's just take the whole crew. So I had all
Speaker 1: the kids. I had to just ring a local nanny
Speaker 1: agency right to be with the little girls because I
Speaker 1: knew the show wasn't probably appropriate for them.
Speaker 4: They're five and three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not that first episode, I know.
Speaker 1: I was like even my eight year old when there's
Speaker 1: the scene that I make out with when he was
Speaker 1: like ooh.
Speaker 4: Oh rosum and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 4: I forgot about that part.
Speaker 1: But we have yeah, we have three rooms, hotel rooms.
Speaker 4: Isaac's about to be seventeen, He's got his own room.
Speaker 1: And then we have to do adjoining rooms, suitcases everywhere.
Speaker 1: Kids on one side, well, the boys on one side,
Speaker 1: the girls in the bed with Mark and I with
Speaker 1: a trundle bed, and it's musical beds, like all night,
Speaker 1: everyone's moving into a different bed at some point. My
Speaker 1: husband ended up on the single bed last night and
Speaker 1: I had three kids in my bed.
Speaker 4: Anyway, that's the way it is.
Speaker 3: Like's not a glamorous lead, and in the best possible way,
Speaker 3: I'm bring them all with you.
Speaker 1: No, it's just that's how we figure it out, is
Speaker 1: we just make it work. Usually my mom's with us,
Speaker 1: so it's easier, but this time around she was back
Speaker 1: and Byron, so luckily I rang this nanny agency that
Speaker 1: I love and was like, do you have anyone available? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I wanted to take you back to the beginning
Speaker 3: before we're walking these premieres and having these world premieres
Speaker 3: of your new show of growing up in Adelaide and
Speaker 3: I'm assuming in you know, a smaller town in Australia,
Speaker 3: so far removed from Hollywood, in that industry and that
Speaker 3: glam life. How do you go from a young girl
Speaker 3: living in Adelaide dreaming of that and I'm assuming just
Speaker 3: like you know, normal family, no famous relatives in the background,
Speaker 3: willing to step in or anything like that, how do
Speaker 3: you go from that to this career? What was the
Speaker 3: first kind of moment that moved you there? Well?
Speaker 1: So I grew up moving between two homes, actually three homes.
Speaker 1: My dad had two houses because my stepmom also has children,
Speaker 1: and so her kids would stay in one house and
Speaker 1: her and her ex husband would rotate to keep her
Speaker 1: sons in that house, so I would rotate with them,
Speaker 1: which meant that every second week I was in a
Speaker 1: different house with my dad, and then with my mom.
Speaker 1: We grew up in housing trust units and so we
Speaker 1: traveled a lot. She was on a disability pengine. So
Speaker 1: I will say that the dream felt quite far away.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see how the dream could be a reality,
Speaker 1: but I just kept plodding away at it.
Speaker 4: I just thought, all right, if this.
Speaker 1: Is my dream, And it sort of dawned on me
Speaker 1: at eight or nine that I wanted to do this.
Speaker 4: I watched a movie called a Little Princess.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, a classic.
Speaker 1: A classic Alfonso Curan. And back then, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember, but on the DVDs or the VHS,
Speaker 1: there'd always be this little like behind the scenes where
Speaker 1: they would do the making off.
Speaker 3: All the little featurettes, the featurettes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I saw the featurette and saw this little
Speaker 1: girl on set and saw her like having all this
Speaker 1: fun and being, you know, on camera and playing with
Speaker 1: these other little girls, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to do that. I want
Speaker 4: to be an actress.
Speaker 1: And that sort of planted the seed at such a
Speaker 1: young age, and I just banged on about it for
Speaker 1: so long to everyone who would listen, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be an actress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to be in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be represented by the same agent as
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 4: That was like my statement.
Speaker 1: And then eventually I convinced my dad to give me
Speaker 1: acting lessons and he said he would do it, and
Speaker 1: so he paid for me to have acting lessons at
Speaker 1: a local acting agency. When I was sixteen. Wow, and
Speaker 1: I just started auditioning for things. And I always say
Speaker 1: this to people who want to get into the film industry.
Speaker 1: I was yes, and I was like, there is a
Speaker 1: student film. I'm not getting paid any money. Cool, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to go and have that experience. Like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a tiny little short film, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: on star in that. And I did so many of
Speaker 1: those experiences. And then I was an extra on a
Speaker 1: bigger movie, Wolf Creek, which is one of Australia's.
Speaker 3: Another conic in a different way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, iconic horror films.
Speaker 1: And I was pool party person in the background and
Speaker 1: I remember being there watching everyone and watching Nathan Phillips
Speaker 1: and this the lead actress. Her name was Kesty Morassy
Speaker 1: and she was so brilliant. She was so brave she
Speaker 1: had to act drunk. Remember watching her as an extra, thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not embarrassed, she's just out there, she's trying things.
Speaker 1: She's so big and bold and like, look at her
Speaker 1: go so uninhibited.
Speaker 4: And she was really excellent.
Speaker 1: And the first ad at the time would sort of tell.
Speaker 4: The extras what to.
Speaker 1: Do, and I didn't listen, and I thought, in fact,
Speaker 1: I want to get in front of the camera, like
Speaker 1: I'm going to start splashing lead guy and Nathan Phillips
Speaker 1: in the background and try and get on camera. And
Speaker 1: so you actually see me kind of in the background,
Speaker 1: leave the spot I was meant to be standing in
Speaker 1: like way way far back, and I come and I
Speaker 1: start interacting with the lead guy and I actually ended
Speaker 1: up using it and I'm splashing him. And there have
Speaker 1: been some sleuths who have found images of me, like
Speaker 1: screenshotted images of me in Wolf Creek as poor party
Speaker 1: person number one. And that was it, Like I saw
Speaker 1: that I was on that set and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is it. This is what I am doing for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And yeah, and I continued
Speaker 1: doing extra work and eventually I did I said yes,
Speaker 1: to a student film. The premiered at cann at the
Speaker 1: Camp Festival, and that is where it all started. But
Speaker 1: if I had not said yes to this little student film,
Speaker 1: it would have been a much more difficult journey to
Speaker 1: get to where I am, right.
Speaker 3: Because that film had quite a bit of international acclaim
Speaker 3: and got a lot of attention. Is that how you
Speaker 3: were able to get your agents in America and stuff?
Speaker 3: And I've heard you tell a story where you walked
Speaker 3: in and said, I really want to do this. I
Speaker 3: love acting, but I'm going to be a mom. And
Speaker 3: it's really nice. I didn't turn your way because in
Speaker 3: some places they'd say, well, if you're not completely committed,
Speaker 3: which obviously you were.
Speaker 1: Well it was just it was my truth. And I
Speaker 1: think because I was nineteen and I was just bold
Speaker 1: and brave, and I just landed in America. I just
Speaker 1: got with this incredible manager. His name's David Seltzer. I'm
Speaker 1: still with him today, and he really believed in me.
Speaker 1: And I really had only done at that point this
Speaker 1: little student film, and I had booked what I had
Speaker 1: and Churchill Brown from Shanahan, who was in fact Nicole
Speaker 1: Kimman's agent. Oh wow, Yes, she really took a punt
Speaker 1: on me at such a young age and decided to
Speaker 1: sign me at Shanahan, which was the biggest agency in
Speaker 1: Australia at the time and the most powerful, exciting one.
Speaker 1: And she sort of sent me to la for rehearsals
Speaker 1: for this little Australian movie I did, and that's where
Speaker 1: I met my manager who had seen me at kenn
Speaker 1: and he took me around to all these big agencies.
Speaker 1: I decided to sign with the Willie Morris agency and
Speaker 1: I signed with Scarlett Johanson's agent at the time. His
Speaker 1: name was Scott Lambert. So Scott brings me into this
Speaker 1: big boardroom to meet all the part all the partners,
Speaker 1: like the biggest, most senior agents at this agency, and
Speaker 1: they kind of just hand the mic over to you.
Speaker 1: They're just like, here she is talk about yourself to
Speaker 1: this boardroom of people. And I was quite nervos nineteen
Speaker 1: and I was like, Hi, I just want to let
Speaker 1: you all know this is very exciting and all I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of this opportunity and I have to just
Speaker 1: give your heads up though that my real passion is
Speaker 1: motherhood and I'm planning on having six children and it
Speaker 1: was like dead silent.
Speaker 4: And they all thought it was a joke. They were
Speaker 4: kind of looking at each other.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, she's doing it aha, like.
Speaker 1: Lol, And then my manager's like, no, she's actually serious,
Speaker 1: like she's just letting you know she wants to.
Speaker 4: Be a mom as well. And I don't know what
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: I just thought I should announce it at the time,
Speaker 1: let them all know. But at least I planted that
Speaker 1: seed early on, and so I was never met with
Speaker 1: any real disappointment. That's prosative agents, and I'm perpetually pregnant,
Speaker 1: like I'm all, I will not stop having babies.
Speaker 4: So for them it's a little bit like, oh, she's
Speaker 4: pregnant again.
Speaker 1: Here we go again.
Speaker 3: But you could give them a heads up so they
Speaker 3: can't say anything about that.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know who you signed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I told you from day But do you know what
Speaker 1: a great blessing to be able to do both things?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, to live out both dreams and I get to
Speaker 1: do this in tandem. I don't have to give up
Speaker 1: either of them. And I did think after my first child,
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 4: Well, this is it.
Speaker 1: The opportunities will dry up, and that's okay. I'm so
Speaker 1: fulfilled in what I'm doing, and even if I get
Speaker 1: to go and do one job every couple of years,
Speaker 1: I'll still be really grateful for that.
Speaker 4: And I found that I actually had the opposite fact.
Speaker 1: Really, my career really started gaining momentum after I had kids.
Speaker 3: Which so interesting. Do you know if there was a
Speaker 3: correlation there Is there something like that you're putting into
Speaker 3: your work, or is there something maybe like a depth
Speaker 3: of characters you get into when you were talking to directors,
Speaker 3: because you do hear these horror stories, not just in
Speaker 3: the film industry. I think every woman at the moment
Speaker 3: is in that crossroads of like it's career or parenthood.
Speaker 1: Well, I did have that anxiety that, oh, this is it,
Speaker 1: and I chose to have kids right at the peak
Speaker 1: of my opportunity. So Warm Bodies had just come out,
Speaker 1: and it was such a big break for me internationally,
Speaker 1: and I was like, now it's haid to have a baby.
Speaker 1: Oh I was twenty seven. I think I was really nervous,
Speaker 1: But then suddenly all my eggs weren't in one basket.
Speaker 4: I was really fixated.
Speaker 1: And had such like an obsession with this dream I
Speaker 1: had wanted my whole life to be a mum and
Speaker 1: something that my nana, who's like a was always such
Speaker 1: a great mentor for me. She had eight children. She
Speaker 1: was like, right before she passed away, she said, I
Speaker 1: know that acting is so exciting, and I know that
Speaker 1: you are going to reach.
Speaker 4: All of those goals.
Speaker 1: But knowing you and knowing who you are and the
Speaker 1: spirit of you, like you your true your truest dream
Speaker 1: is to be a mother. And I was like, You're
Speaker 1: so right. And once I had that baby, it was
Speaker 1: like everything was for him, about him, it was it
Speaker 1: was everything to me. And so suddenly the auditions weren't
Speaker 1: as scary or I didn't put too much stock in
Speaker 1: any of these things, whereas I think pre babies, it
Speaker 1: was like, this is all I have, This is the
Speaker 1: trajectory of my career. And I got really fixated on
Speaker 1: my career path. And then suddenly I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't really care as much about that because I'm
Speaker 1: in this other season of my life and the opportunities
Speaker 1: started coming. And I think maybe the letting go of
Speaker 1: the control meant that maybe I was more present in
Speaker 1: the auditions or in the.
Speaker 3: Maybe because the nerves weren't there because it wasn't like
Speaker 3: life or death exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And then I started booking these bigger and bigger jobs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I can just bring
Speaker 1: my baby. I can bring my baby with me and
Speaker 1: I can still can cotinue to breastfeed and have that relationship.
Speaker 1: And I will say that not everyone has afforded that opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I was able to bring my children to work
Speaker 1: and given the space to breastfeed on demand and to
Speaker 1: be and nurture my child and have my child there,
Speaker 1: and I understand what a luxury that is, and I
Speaker 1: don't take that for granted. And it's not afforded to
Speaker 1: all actors either. I mean, if you're sort of one
Speaker 1: of the lead actors or one of the supporting actors,
Speaker 1: you have a certain privilege that day players don't get,
Speaker 1: and that people who pop in here and there aren't
Speaker 1: afforded that same luxury. So I really recognize that too,
Speaker 1: and I'm careful when I talk about it because I
Speaker 1: want to really highlight that.
Speaker 3: I know that that's a rarity, yes, but also I
Speaker 3: think it's good to share different realities. Otherwise we're just
Speaker 3: looking at these very glossy pictures of people and thinking
Speaker 3: how are they doing that? That's why their life is
Speaker 3: different to mine. Is that something that you have written
Speaker 3: into a contract or you tell production beforehand, I'm going
Speaker 3: to have my kids there, I'm going to need to breastfeed.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's not on a schedule, so you need
Speaker 3: to be flexible with filming. Is that all set up beforehand?
Speaker 1: Not really. You do have meetings with producers and I
Speaker 1: always talk about it, and especially in those earlier days,
Speaker 1: mean I'm pregnant again, but my youngest is three, so
Speaker 1: she hasn't really been nursing on demand for a while,
Speaker 1: so things are a little bit different nowadays. But definitely
Speaker 1: in my contract, I have way more airfares than the
Speaker 1: majority of actors, so I've.
Speaker 3: Got to fly the whole family.
Speaker 1: Fly the whole family, or at least you know, they'll
Speaker 1: fly half of them and I fly the other half.
Speaker 4: So there are certain things like that which I.
Speaker 1: Thought it would mean that if they were picking out
Speaker 1: of two actors, I would be the less interesting choice,
Speaker 1: because it meant I'm more expensive because I have a
Speaker 1: big family, and also then the housing situation I need
Speaker 1: instead of just a hotel room for myself. I come
Speaker 1: with a housing need where like my mom lives with us,
Speaker 1: my husband, I've got all these kids, so usually I
Speaker 1: need at least a three We can make a three
Speaker 1: bedroom work three bedrooms? Who can make work?
Speaker 4: Four bedrooms is ideal?
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I thought all of that would go
Speaker 1: against me. And actually it's one of the reasons I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful to Bruna pap Andrea. She not only gave me,
Speaker 1: she's the producer of this show the last anniversary, and
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: She produced your show, Your Mom and Me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she has advocated for me and has been
Speaker 1: my biggest supporter, and she keeps hiring me no matter
Speaker 1: how many children I have. She keeps hiring me and
Speaker 1: encouraging others to do so too, And I'm truly grateful
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a lovely side of the industry that you
Speaker 3: don't hear as much. That's very nice. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 3: talking about booking those first big roles those studio movies
Speaker 3: Warm Bodies, which I loved, by the way, I wanted
Speaker 3: to sort of know what was like in that moment
Speaker 3: when you're starting to book these blockbusters and you're starting
Speaker 3: to be catapulted this different part of fame. I remember
Speaker 3: when those movies were coming out and seeing photos on
Speaker 3: magazines and on red carpets. What's that like? To go
Speaker 3: from working in a student film to them being on
Speaker 3: billboards everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's pretty surreal, I would say, really exciting. Just felt
Speaker 1: like a well wind. And in fact, I have quite
Speaker 1: a bad memory because so much happened to me in
Speaker 1: that period of time. It was travel every week, it
Speaker 1: was events, it was press, it was different photoshoots, and
Speaker 1: like not sleeping so much, and just this wild, adventurous life.
Speaker 1: And because I jam packed so much into that period
Speaker 1: of time, I'll often forget about amazing experiences. Someone will
Speaker 1: remind me, you remember when we're in Paris and we're
Speaker 1: at that event, we went to that fashion show. I
Speaker 1: was like, was I there? Did I do that? And
Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and google images? Which is
Speaker 1: so good about that aspect. You could go back and
Speaker 1: google back I was there.
Speaker 3: It's all being cataloged on for you.
Speaker 4: Catalog I was like, oh my god, I was there.
Speaker 1: I do remember that. And so that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: this idea of this whirlwind. It just was kind of
Speaker 1: happening to me and I had so much energy, and I.
Speaker 4: Just was enthralled.
Speaker 1: It was so unbelievably exciting, and I loved every most
Speaker 1: moments of it. Not all of it, of course, I've
Speaker 1: had my share of, you know, hardships in the industry
Speaker 1: as well, but so much of that I just was
Speaker 1: rimming with gratitude. Really, that's always the word I keep
Speaker 1: coming back to. It's just it happened. That thing that
Speaker 1: I wrote about in my journals from such a young age,
Speaker 1: it actually happened. And now reading back, I found all
Speaker 1: my journals.
Speaker 3: Just really, have you been rereading them?
Speaker 1: I've been rereading everything, and I have journal done memorily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from the year two thousand until like twenty fifteen. I
Speaker 1: have a book for every year, and reading like I'm
Speaker 1: going to be doing this. These are the people I'm
Speaker 1: going to be working with. This is what my life's
Speaker 1: going to look like. And there's a lot in there
Speaker 1: where I'll say, if you are reading back on this
Speaker 1: right now and you've made it and you've created this
Speaker 1: dream life, like sixteen year old me is very proud
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: There is more to my conversation with Teresa Palmer after
Speaker 3: this short break. We talk about first loves and then
Speaker 3: finding everlasting love. We'll be right back. What was the
Speaker 3: most surprising thing that you found in there? Like a
Speaker 3: memory that you'd forgotten that came back to you.
Speaker 1: Oh, just so that was a bit of a desperado
Speaker 1: and love.
Speaker 3: Was until your first serious relationship, you remember.
Speaker 1: I wish I could go back to that nineteen year
Speaker 1: old self where she was like in love with this
Speaker 1: boy and he wasn't really messaging her back very much,
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I decided to message him
Speaker 1: again tonight and I didn't hear back.
Speaker 3: And I then.
Speaker 4: Cut to like a few days later, like, well.
Speaker 1: I still haven't heard from him, but I thought that
Speaker 1: I would just congratulate him on this particular thing. And
Speaker 1: I was like, girlfriend, why why are you still pursuing
Speaker 1: this person and he's not showing any interest.
Speaker 4: That has been the funniest thing.
Speaker 1: I've actually been reading it out to my teenage son
Speaker 1: and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, learn a lesson here. Yeah, I was like, learn
Speaker 4: a lesson.
Speaker 1: So there's just funny little tidbits like that that I'll
Speaker 1: read and certain parties I went to when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and experiences I had, and just the person I was
Speaker 1: back then she's not too dissimilar to who I am now,
Speaker 1: but there's just so many things I wish I could
Speaker 1: go back and be like, you can let that one go.
Speaker 3: You can just feel so high stakes at that age.
Speaker 3: I mean it does sound too but like nineteen, when
Speaker 3: you're first love, it all feels like it'll be life
Speaker 3: and death, life and death.
Speaker 1: It's so endearing, but it's also like informative for me
Speaker 1: because my kids are going to be entering these ages
Speaker 1: and I want to remember what it was like to
Speaker 1: feel like it was the end of the world with
Speaker 1: your best friend wasn't talking to you at school, and
Speaker 1: so it's good. It's it's like such a precious thing
Speaker 1: to have these journals.
Speaker 3: Oh that's really beautiful. And I'm glad you talked about
Speaker 3: your first love there because I want to ask you
Speaker 3: now about your your everlasting love. I'm assuming with your
Speaker 3: husband Mark and the beautiful relationship you have. Is it
Speaker 3: true just before you met him, you wrote a manifestation
Speaker 3: list of the person that you were looking for. Did
Speaker 3: he fit the bill? It was one of those things
Speaker 3: you had to just throw the list down and think, well,
Speaker 3: I've got to go with this man. I'm in love
Speaker 3: with now.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's totally true, and he fit all ten pages.
Speaker 3: Ten pages, ten pages. My goodness.
Speaker 1: So I had gone through this really painful breakup and
Speaker 1: I was actually hanging out with a group of people
Speaker 1: who are really like deep in self development work and
Speaker 1: spirituality and mobile. The singer Moby happened to be one
Speaker 1: of them, and he was really instrumental in my early years.
Speaker 1: I listened to his album on repeat all the time.
Speaker 1: In fact, I would sleep It was my sleep song
Speaker 1: Porcelain for two years, so I would sleep listening to Moby. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I meet him, We start connecting and he's doing
Speaker 1: a lot of like meditation stuff at his castle in
Speaker 1: beach with.
Speaker 3: Just a casual castle, just.
Speaker 1: A casual castle, and he would do these really cool
Speaker 1: things in the dar it was you'd turn off all
Speaker 1: the lights and so it was like sensory deprivation, so
Speaker 1: you couldn't see anything, you couldn't hear anything. It was
Speaker 1: dead silent. It'd be a group of like forty forty
Speaker 1: fifty people and there'd be only candle light and then
Speaker 1: the candle would go off and people would sit in
Speaker 1: meditation for however long the collective group would want to
Speaker 1: sit in meditation, and this was all very very new
Speaker 1: to me, and I was like, what is this.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I grab up Catholic.
Speaker 1: I didn't know so much about meditation, but I always
Speaker 1: felt so connected to myself after these sessions. And then
Speaker 1: I found this idea of the law of attraction and
Speaker 1: I started looking into that. And so because I had
Speaker 1: had this like awful relationship, I was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to try this. And I got very very specific
Speaker 1: in what I wanted and I called it in as
Speaker 1: though I already had it. My man is he has
Speaker 1: you know, this color eyes, and he's a cancer and
Speaker 1: he loves children and he wants to have a big family,
Speaker 1: and he's an animal lover and he's at least a
Speaker 1: vegetarian and all these things. And I wrote it very specific,
Speaker 1: this is the way he is with my friends and
Speaker 1: his artistic and creative and deep thinker.
Speaker 4: And so I wrote this all out.
Speaker 1: And the stuff that I was studying at the time
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now, you can't fixate on this.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You got to sort of put it out to the
Speaker 1: universe now and put these pages away somewhere in a draw.
Speaker 1: Don't fixate, let it go. And I did, and three
Speaker 1: months later I met my husband randomly online through Twitter
Speaker 1: on twew.
Speaker 3: You just don't hear those stories from Twitter all the
Speaker 3: different social platforms. It's usually where you find a troll.
Speaker 3: You got catfish, like, this might be the one Twitter
Speaker 3: I love story.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, we always say like the modern
Speaker 1: day love story through social media. At the time, I
Speaker 1: was like in a really sad place. I was at
Speaker 1: the Bowery staying at the Bowery Hotel in New York,
Speaker 1: which is like the famous hotel in New York, with
Speaker 1: my friend Brooke. But I was so desperately lonely and
Speaker 1: sad because of this heartbreak. And I happened to look
Speaker 1: at this trailer because I was like, I'll just kick.
Speaker 4: Myself when I'm down, Like, what is.
Speaker 1: Another actress up to that's doing better than me and
Speaker 1: her career is.
Speaker 4: Better than mine?
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I know, I'm going to google what Amanda
Speaker 1: Seafred's up to. Oh, look, she's got another movie at sundown,
Speaker 1: so of course she does amazing.
Speaker 4: Good for her. So I watched the trailer for her.
Speaker 1: Movie and I was like, oh my god, that is
Speaker 1: so beautiful, my cooleous movie.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Oh, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Tweet about this. I was just so moved by this trailer.
Speaker 1: So I tweeted about it and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll put the filmmaker's handle in there, and it was
Speaker 1: my husband. It was his movie, and I put his
Speaker 1: handle in there at like mark and I was like,
Speaker 1: everyone should check this out.
Speaker 4: This looks so beautiful. Put it out there.
Speaker 1: And then he started messaging me. He slipped into the
Speaker 1: DMS and was like, Oh, I'm an admirer of your
Speaker 1: work and I was like, oh, and my friend Brooke,
Speaker 1: thank god, she's one of my good friends. Now. She's
Speaker 1: so cool and in the know of like who's who
Speaker 1: and like the underground art scene and she was like,
Speaker 1: don't you know who that is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: No, who is this person?
Speaker 1: And she was like, you've got to hear his story.
Speaker 1: He was a homeless kid and he made him his
Speaker 1: way out of his situation, and he's like been on
Speaker 1: Broadway and he's worked with all the greats and he's
Speaker 1: like really revered in the indoe in this underground acting
Speaker 1: scene and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Really, she was like, you've got to DM him back.
Speaker 4: This is so hot.
Speaker 1: You've got to hook up with this guy like anyway,
Speaker 1: So I had my and he's always thankful to Brook
Speaker 1: for just being.
Speaker 3: Just stilitating that and getting it all totally.
Speaker 4: And then that's that's kind of how it happened.
Speaker 1: We just wrote letters, love letters to each other for
Speaker 1: forty days actually just over email, until we met in flesh,
Speaker 1: and we had already fallen in love through our writing
Speaker 1: at that point when we go on, I.
Speaker 3: Hope this has been turned into a movie. I know
Speaker 3: you guys collaborate a lot, so I feel like that
Speaker 3: should be on the list of potential projects. I know
Speaker 3: it hope out there.
Speaker 1: Do you know? It's really beautiful and it's nice to
Speaker 1: fall in love with a person's way rather than just
Speaker 1: like the way they look or sexual chemistry or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was just like a really deep understanding of each
Speaker 1: other before we even were in person for the first time.
Speaker 3: Well, and has that really set the foundation for when
Speaker 3: now you are as parents and working this crazy industry,
Speaker 3: because I feel like you've been so open about your
Speaker 3: relationship and the ups and downs, and you've talked about
Speaker 3: it publicly on your podcast, and you've done interviews and
Speaker 3: in your book, and there's I'm a big fan of
Speaker 3: your podcast some other days. By the way, I'm not
Speaker 3: a mother myself, but I take a lot away from
Speaker 3: just hearing all the different stories and everything. But there's
Speaker 3: a set of episodes I listened to that have always
Speaker 3: stuck in my mind, and it's when you had Mark
Speaker 3: on and I just remember listening to that. You know,
Speaker 3: sometimes you listened to a podcast while you're grocery shop
Speaker 3: and you're walking as like background noise. I started listening
Speaker 3: to this one. I just sit on my couch and
Speaker 3: just like listen to it and take it in because
Speaker 3: it was this really beautiful insight into his life and
Speaker 3: into your marriage and into your relationship. And I love
Speaker 3: how you touched on his childhood and what he went
Speaker 3: through and addiction and parenthood and all of those different topics.
Speaker 3: How do you make a decision like that as a
Speaker 3: couple to put that story out there so publicly.
Speaker 1: I think Mark has always really been proud of his story,
Speaker 1: and he feels like he wants to be of service.
Speaker 1: He grew up being of his mom still is the
Speaker 1: head of the Poor People's Army in Philadelphia. She lives
Speaker 1: in the most violent neighborhood in all of America, and
Speaker 1: she dedicates her life to, you know, putting homeless people
Speaker 1: into these takeover houses and making sure that they have
Speaker 1: roofs over their head. And I think that Mark feels
Speaker 1: a real sense of responsibility to affect positive change, and
Speaker 1: one of the ways he really believes he can do
Speaker 1: that is by sharing his story. So he thought, what
Speaker 1: better way to do that than on my platform on
Speaker 1: the other days and still to this day, we have,
Speaker 1: by the way, interviewed, like you guys, so many celebrities,
Speaker 1: like massive celebrities with huge paws and fan base. They
Speaker 1: are still our most popular.
Speaker 3: Really because everyone had that really visceral reaction to it.
Speaker 1: We have been stopped on the street for those episodes
Speaker 1: more than anything, really more than our movies.
Speaker 3: I would believe it that.
Speaker 1: Actually, it was so profound the way he opened up,
Speaker 1: and also we really talked about our marriage and the
Speaker 1: ways in which both of our unique conditioning in our
Speaker 1: childhoods inform our dynamic and our patterns, and how there
Speaker 1: can be a certain level of toxicity in patterns when
Speaker 1: they get ignored, and just the observation of a marriage
Speaker 1: dynamic is really integral. And thank god, we've both done
Speaker 1: so much work in ourselves that when we get into
Speaker 1: a fight or when you know, as we described it
Speaker 1: on the potty, and he describes it too. You just
Speaker 1: did a fringe show where he talked about dark Mark.
Speaker 1: Whereas like the thoughts and his conditioning and his trauma,
Speaker 1: he has immense trauma from his childhood. When that comes up,
Speaker 1: how he internalizes that that is a really big part
Speaker 1: of our relationship and the fact that we are able
Speaker 1: to when those things come up, stop unpack what's going
Speaker 1: on without the judgment. And that's something I work on
Speaker 1: all the time, like trying not to judge it or
Speaker 1: trying not to label it, or trying not to fix,
Speaker 1: fix and nurture, because that's my conditioning is. You know,
Speaker 1: I grew up with a mother who has skids to
Speaker 1: effective disorder. It was just the two of us. So
Speaker 1: my conditioning is nurture fix mother, which is why I
Speaker 1: have so many children. Brother, And that is a really
Speaker 1: important thing to find within your relationship, like what are
Speaker 1: both of our responsibilities and how can we co create
Speaker 1: and make sure that we are emotionally regulating one another.
Speaker 1: And it's been beautiful to talk about and cathartic, and
Speaker 1: we're so imperfect.
Speaker 4: I mean we still have fights.
Speaker 1: All the time. I'm like, ah, I get annoyed and
Speaker 1: he gets annoyed at me, and but we've made it work.
Speaker 1: We get through it, and we up level each time
Speaker 1: we have a conflict, there's an up leveling that happens,
Speaker 1: and that's how we see it. So but it's been wobbly.
Speaker 1: There have been times where it's like we're not going
Speaker 1: to make it, but then we do.
Speaker 3: Is it also nice in a way to have a
Speaker 3: bit of control over the narrative because the thing is like,
Speaker 3: if you're not putting anything out into the world, media
Speaker 3: or tabloids or fans can kind of create their own stories.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking of a moment from the first episode
Speaker 3: with Mark where you're talking about these paparazzi photos going
Speaker 3: everywhere from a fight you were having and some people
Speaker 3: think it was from a movie and some people are
Speaker 3: not knowing, And do you want to tell the story
Speaker 3: for that, because I'm wondering if people maybe just saw
Speaker 3: the photos and wouldn't have known this kind of backstory
Speaker 3: that led to the podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it was funny.
Speaker 1: We were shooting a movie, so I was producing a
Speaker 1: movie in the early days. I was twelve weeks pregnant
Speaker 1: with our baby, our first baby, body, and I was financing.
Speaker 4: His new movie.
Speaker 1: And we had only been together at this point, not
Speaker 1: very long, maybe not even a year. Wow, But I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you've got the manifestation list working.
Speaker 1: And what had happened was we were filming the movie
Speaker 1: and then I found out that he had picked up
Speaker 1: again and that he was deep in a relapse. But
Speaker 1: a part of the addictive behavior is to conceal and
Speaker 1: to manipulate and lie to preserve the thing that you have,
Speaker 1: which is for him. It was this relationship, and there's
Speaker 1: sort of a certain level of self sabotage that happened sometimes,
Speaker 1: I think with addiction. And I did not at that
Speaker 1: point understand addiction at all. I only judged it, and
Speaker 1: I was water fight and I was pregnant and I
Speaker 1: felt trapped and I was so angry, And the paparazzi
Speaker 1: happened to be there that day when I was screaming
Speaker 1: at him and crying and just full devastation, just like
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a single mother, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be raising this.
Speaker 4: But this is not the narrative.
Speaker 1: This is not the story, This is not what I
Speaker 1: pictured for us, like I just the it felt way
Speaker 1: too overwhelming and they snapped these photos. But luckily because
Speaker 1: we happened to be shooting that day and there were
Speaker 1: some like cameras around, the Daily Mail was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're filming, they're practicing for a scene, they're rehearsing, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm good that that's just maby
Speaker 1: that's the story. But yeah, I've always felt like, if
Speaker 1: you can share your own story, then you should, and
Speaker 1: if you have the ability to do that, It's important
Speaker 1: to me to humanize us and the positions that were
Speaker 1: in because I have looked at people in the industry
Speaker 1: who are on a pedestal and you just think they
Speaker 1: have these perfect lives and everything, and you can't help
Speaker 1: but be in a state of comparison, which is why
Speaker 1: I'm like, why.
Speaker 3: Isn't my life like that? If I just had that
Speaker 3: one thing, I would be happy. I think it's what
Speaker 3: we when we look at fame and people living their
Speaker 3: dream careers. You always think, if I just had that,
Speaker 3: I'd be happy. And as I interview more actresses through
Speaker 3: my career or all actors, or you always find there's
Speaker 3: always something. There's so many different layers to that success.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I feel like I had
Speaker 1: an epiphany just recently, Like I was working on this
Speaker 1: show mixtape, and I was sitting on this log and
Speaker 1: we were about to shoot the scene, and I was
Speaker 1: sitting next to my coastar Jim Sturgis, who I had
Speaker 1: watched in Across the Universe and I'd seen him in
Speaker 1: twenty one, and it's like the wind was blowing, there
Speaker 1: were birds, and we were outside on this crew and
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my gosh, I am living
Speaker 1: my dream, like right here in this moment. It just
Speaker 1: dawned on me and I was emotional. I had like
Speaker 1: a little tear running down my face, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the best, and why as human beings do
Speaker 1: we keep moving the meter, we keep pushing the bar forward.
Speaker 1: I will be happy when this happens. And then you
Speaker 1: get that thing, well, now, I'll be happy when I
Speaker 1: get to this point and you keep moving the bar.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: I want to just look around me and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I have everything. This is I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful and it's okay to strive for other things and
Speaker 1: have other goals, but sitting in a place of just recognizing,
Speaker 1: like I can celebrate where I am right now, that
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: It must be very nice for your kids to grow
Speaker 3: up in that environment where you're having that mindfulness and
Speaker 3: you're and having these conversations and even thinking they could
Speaker 3: go back and listen to your podcast and you know,
Speaker 3: one day and see that even that moment where you
Speaker 3: realize your parents are real people, Like there's a little
Speaker 3: long time where they're just your mum and they exist
Speaker 3: just for you and your dad, and then you get
Speaker 3: to that moment where you realize they're a person with
Speaker 3: a story in histories and faults and all those things.
Speaker 3: It must be nice for the idea they could go
Speaker 3: back and listen to that one day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talk to them about all this stuff,
Speaker 1: like if Mark's ever feeling low or going through a
Speaker 1: particular thing where he's missing his dad or he's thinking
Speaker 1: about his childhood. He is so open with these children.
Speaker 1: He just sits and he's like, you know, Dad's feeling
Speaker 1: pretty sad right now, and I want you guys to
Speaker 1: know that, Like it's really normal to feel sad and
Speaker 1: to cry and to have big feelings and feelings come
Speaker 1: and feelings go, and this is what it's about. So
Speaker 1: they also don't personalize and think, oh, dad's upset because
Speaker 1: because of something I've done or and we are really
Speaker 1: we talk to them about stuff all the time and
Speaker 1: the way we see the world and like it's just
Speaker 1: to see the magic through their eyes away they look
Speaker 1: at things and their deep gratitude. I didn't have that
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know. I was just like woo woo,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think my kids have such a
Speaker 1: beautiful awareness and a mindfulness and we're raising really conscious
Speaker 1: minded children, which is and spiritually rich kids, which is
Speaker 1: wonderful and quite a departure from my experience. I had
Speaker 1: a very dogmatic, you know, Catholic upbringing, fear based for me.
Speaker 1: And I know that's not everyone's experience, but for me,
Speaker 1: it was fear based. I need to be good otherwise
Speaker 1: I'll be punished. Yeah, I won't go to heaven.
Speaker 3: Is kind of what they tell you in a Catholic
Speaker 3: primary school. I can relate. Yes, Yes, there was still
Speaker 3: so much more to unpack with Teresa. So after the break,
Speaker 3: she opens up about friendship, both in life and in
Speaker 3: the industry, and her decision to share deeply personal moments,
Speaker 3: including the experience of pregnancy loss that's coming up next.
Speaker 3: So coming from that love that you have with your
Speaker 3: family and your children. Something else I've noticed about following
Speaker 3: your work for many years is this love that you
Speaker 3: have for your friendships, and your female friendships in particular,
Speaker 3: because you run your podcast and your book and everything
Speaker 3: with Sarah right Olsen, who's an actress, I know that
Speaker 3: you're very close. And I love that clip at the
Speaker 3: Actor Awards this year of you presenting Phoebe Tonkin. That
Speaker 3: was the clip that went everywhere from that show because
Speaker 3: the look on your face when you read out her
Speaker 3: name as Best Lead Actress and then she jumped up,
Speaker 3: and you have this beautiful moment of and she can't
Speaker 3: quite believe that that you've presented her with this huge award.
Speaker 3: And then just a few weeks later, you were at
Speaker 3: the gaday USA and she presented you with a big award.
Speaker 3: And so it just isn't important to you to have
Speaker 3: these friendships be like a big thread throughout your career
Speaker 3: and your life.
Speaker 1: I think the special thing about Phoebe is we've known
Speaker 1: each other for so long and I have been her
Speaker 1: biggest cheerleader for years and years and years, and I
Speaker 1: have and I know she has too. We've both been
Speaker 1: waiting for the moment for, you know, just the industry
Speaker 1: to sort of catch up and recognize Phoebe is such
Speaker 1: an immense talent. Oh yes, and she has such a
Speaker 1: well of depth. It is absolutely beautiful on screen and
Speaker 1: I've always seen it from the early days, and I
Speaker 1: knew she just needed that role to really showcase that,
Speaker 1: and then she got the role, and then she went
Speaker 1: in and just knocked it out of the park in
Speaker 1: every way. So she felt so deserving. And I was
Speaker 1: actually at the actors I don't know who has won.
Speaker 1: I know I'm presenting that a.
Speaker 3: Well, No, I saw the surprise on your face. I
Speaker 3: believe you.
Speaker 1: I was practicing backstage in case she won, because I
Speaker 1: had a feeling because as I've seen the show, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she's so deserving. So I was practicing
Speaker 1: saying her name in a relaxed way. Okay, just like,
Speaker 1: and the winner is Phoebe Tonkin. That didn't happen. That
Speaker 1: did not come across, and that did not come across.
Speaker 4: I really tried.
Speaker 1: Then it came out and it squeaked out of me,
Speaker 1: and I sort.
Speaker 4: Of squealed it like sort of screamed out of me.
Speaker 1: And then afterwards I saw some of the other nominees
Speaker 1: who I know in that category, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just got so excited. I just didn't.
Speaker 1: It just burst out of me and championing her and
Speaker 1: her being my biggest cheerleader over the years too. It's
Speaker 1: just been such a comfort because you can ride the
Speaker 1: waves of Hollywood and there are peaks and they're are valleys,
Speaker 1: but we can go through it together. And there's a
Speaker 1: whole group of us navigating at Bella heath Coat as
Speaker 1: well as another really good friend of mine, and we
Speaker 1: share in each other's losses and each other's wins, and
Speaker 1: there's no room for jealousy. Is only celebration for each other.
Speaker 1: And that has been gorgeous, and I hope that we
Speaker 1: can lead by example. There's enough room for everyone. And
Speaker 1: we're all different flavors and we all do different things,
Speaker 1: and there's room for all of us, and together we
Speaker 1: are stronger. And you know, I just worked with Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe on Bear Country, and one of my favorite takeaways
Speaker 1: from him is he uplifts everyone around him. He offers
Speaker 1: opportunities to people all over this movie. We're supporting actors
Speaker 1: and bit players and dialect coaches and people who say like,
Speaker 1: we we owe all of this to Russell and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, someone in that position could hold on
Speaker 1: to this success themselves, but he is giving and sharing it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I always want to be that way.
Speaker 1: I want to just share an uplift and give and
Speaker 1: celebrate each other. And that's what our little crew of
Speaker 1: Ossie is actors do.
Speaker 3: That's really lovely because you do hear I mean every industry,
Speaker 3: but you do hear horror stories from Hollywood of especially
Speaker 3: this idea that there's one leading lady or ever. It's
Speaker 3: so cutthroat. And yeah, I think it was last year
Speaker 3: that Sydney Sweeney gave an interview to Vanity Fair and
Speaker 3: she's like, all that stuff you hear about women uplifting
Speaker 3: women is not true. And then all these other actresses
Speaker 3: came out and said, that's not our experience. And I
Speaker 3: think everyone's story is their truth and they have different experiences.
Speaker 3: But if you're saying that, you've seen a completely different
Speaker 3: side of that in this little group that you've been
Speaker 3: able to build and the people that you work with.
Speaker 3: I think that's a really positive takeaway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels Australian to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, we're just like you know that
Speaker 1: Aussie matship things a very real thing. And I love
Speaker 1: them and I want the best for them and I
Speaker 1: want to see them shine, and I know they feel
Speaker 1: the same about me. So it's just a gorgeous it's
Speaker 1: a gorgeous thing, and maybe it's a rarity, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely our experience. And it's been really beautiful.
Speaker 3: You've talked in the past about pregnancy loss and written
Speaker 3: so beautifully about it in your book, and then last
Speaker 3: year sharing another story of pregnancy loss with I thought
Speaker 3: the way you did it was really interesting to share
Speaker 3: this video to Instagram. And I know that you also
Speaker 3: did a podcast episode showing the joy of finding that
Speaker 3: out and then showing the loss, and I remember just
Speaker 3: watching that and being it's not something I've been through,
Speaker 3: but I've supported a lot of friends through it, and
Speaker 3: so sort of seeing that out in the world, and
Speaker 3: I remember clicking down into the comments and just seeing
Speaker 3: hundreds of comments from thousands, thousands of comments from women
Speaker 3: saying thank you for this, or sharing their own stories,
Speaker 3: And what is it like to sort of, I guess,
Speaker 3: move through that moment of pain and grief with your family,
Speaker 3: but also have it out there in the world and
Speaker 3: have people reacting to it.
Speaker 1: I think it's both things. It's like really vulnerable and scary.
Speaker 1: Did I make the right choice? Because now also my
Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement keeps being linked back to my pregnancy loss,
Speaker 1: like the it can't be two separate things.
Speaker 4: It's everything.
Speaker 1: The media is like she's had a loss and now
Speaker 1: she's pregnant.
Speaker 4: So there's a part.
Speaker 1: Of me that thinks, oh, goodness, did I make the
Speaker 1: right choice?
Speaker 3: But I know that I did, because well, we just
Speaker 3: read those comments, and you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly it was the comments, and I read all of them,
Speaker 1: and I spent days love hearting every single one and
Speaker 1: trying to write back to as many as I could.
Speaker 1: But I also acknowledge that I have four beautiful, biological,
Speaker 1: healthy children that I was able to get pregnant with
Speaker 1: and grow and birth and they're healthy, and that already
Speaker 1: can be triggering for some people. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: put out there that I also went through a pregnancy loss,
Speaker 1: and yes, I have these beautiful, healthy children, and you
Speaker 1: have the right to grieve a loss no matter how
Speaker 1: many children you have. There are some women who can't
Speaker 1: even get pregnant, and they long and long and long
Speaker 1: to be a mother. And I feel like all stories
Speaker 1: should be valid and all stories should be celebrated and told.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, I want to put this out
Speaker 1: there because to a lot of people, they just look
Speaker 1: at me as like a breeder.
Speaker 4: I just have all these children.
Speaker 1: But also I suffered a loss, and I thought I
Speaker 1: was having this baby. I mean, you get pregnant, and
Speaker 1: I think I took it for granted because I haven't
Speaker 1: had that experience before. I did very early on. I
Speaker 1: had a mold of pregnancy back in twenty fifteen, but
Speaker 1: I was about six weeks pregnant. And it's for me,
Speaker 1: it's the breaking up with the dream that the dream
Speaker 1: of who this baby is, when they're going to be born,
Speaker 1: what the age GAP's going to be. And so I
Speaker 1: wanted to show the high of that and the excitement
Speaker 1: with the kids, and then show the dream dissipating and
Speaker 1: that feeling of oh is this never going to happen again.
Speaker 1: So that was important to me, you know, And we
Speaker 1: had pushback on our book.
Speaker 4: We dedicated an entire chapter to pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so it's a really beautiful chapter.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It really kind of hits you for people who have
Speaker 3: been through that and for people who have that, for
Speaker 3: people in their lives and want to have a small
Speaker 3: idea of how to support them through it.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then my co host went on to have back
Speaker 1: to back to back to back losses and she's now
Speaker 1: pregnant at forty one. I saw that with her rainbow baby,
Speaker 1: who like triple quadruple rainbow baby.
Speaker 4: So that was.
Speaker 1: Really important to dedicate that time to writing that chapter
Speaker 1: in our book. This is ze Muma's Guide to finding
Speaker 1: your path.
Speaker 4: Who through Pregnancy, birth and beyond.
Speaker 1: Because you know, initially everyone was like, why would you
Speaker 1: want to write about loss and a pregnancy and birth book.
Speaker 4: I was like, because it's a part of.
Speaker 1: The journey one and four one and four women go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's really important to have all those different
Speaker 3: stories out there, which actually think is a beautiful thread
Speaker 3: in your new show, The Last Anniversary, which I loved,
Speaker 3: by the way, so have he. Because we see all
Speaker 3: these different versions of motherhood, we see relationships between adult
Speaker 3: mother and daughters. The first episode, you see a woman
Speaker 3: become a mother in sort of in a moment where
Speaker 3: the pregnancy comes very early and you see her sort
Speaker 3: of struggling to bond with the baby. And then your
Speaker 3: character Sophie, which I'm going to say that's one of
Speaker 3: the most realistic portrayals I've seen of a woman who's
Speaker 3: dating but also aware. Like that moment your character stands
Speaker 3: in front of the mirror and goes, you're thirty nine,
Speaker 3: just give him another chance, and then you see she's
Speaker 3: going through a freezing her eggs process and wanting to
Speaker 3: become a mother so badly. Is that something that drew
Speaker 3: you to the storyline as those threads of motherhood in
Speaker 3: this new series.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course I was really drawn to that. In particular,
Speaker 1: I think the postpartum depression the way that's portrayed in
Speaker 1: our show is so delicately woven in but very realistic.
Speaker 4: And the kind of.
Speaker 1: Disconnect that the character Grace has after she gives birth,
Speaker 1: I think it's such a real loss of identity and
Speaker 1: not understanding who she is or why she should love
Speaker 1: this baby, but knowing that she's meant to. That's meant
Speaker 1: to come naturally to her, and because it doesn't, she
Speaker 1: feels like a failure.
Speaker 4: And then you see the evolution.
Speaker 1: Of this character and how it gets worse and gets better,
Speaker 1: and it gets worse and it gets better. And that
Speaker 1: to me, that sort of swinging pendulum experience with postpartum depression.
Speaker 1: I didn't experience it myself what my mom did. So
Speaker 1: the way my mom talks about and explains it is
Speaker 1: the good days of bad days, the good days a
Speaker 1: bad day. So that's so well done in our show.
Speaker 1: It feels very real and Claude Scott Mitchell is breathtaking,
Speaker 1: incredible breath taking. Her performance is exquisite in this. And
Speaker 1: then of course my character who's longing to be a
Speaker 1: mother and she's seeing these dynamics of these women with
Speaker 1: their children all around her, and it's very confronted. And
Speaker 1: then so she sort of entertains the idea of dating
Speaker 1: a douchebag who's not.
Speaker 3: Treating her well.
Speaker 1: He's the worst guy you could possibly imagine, but it's
Speaker 1: just like you're getting old chance. Yeah, give him a chance.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure people can relate to that. And that's
Speaker 1: a special thing about our show. It's multi generational. So
Speaker 1: it's a family drama, but there are access points to
Speaker 1: everyone at all ages, at all seasons of life. There's
Speaker 1: someone that you can relate to, and they have this beautiful,
Speaker 1: imperfect dance with this their life and their their things
Speaker 1: that they struggle with and they're hardships and just being
Speaker 1: a woman and what does that mean? And I just
Speaker 1: think Leanne Moriarty is a genius. I mean we all know.
Speaker 4: This, We've read her books.
Speaker 1: She's got this beautiful recipe and she knows how to
Speaker 1: weave in real stories, meaningful stories. But then at the
Speaker 1: heart of it, there's the underpinning. Is this twists, this mystery,
Speaker 1: this secret lies, And it's really well done and I
Speaker 1: think it's going to captivate audiences.
Speaker 3: I definitely think that as well. Oh Treesa, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for again being so open here and in
Speaker 3: your life. And I can't wait to see the rest
Speaker 3: of the show. It's just incredible. Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 4: This is wonderful.
Speaker 3: So I was lucky enough to attend the premiere of
Speaker 3: the Last Anniversary and it really is such an incredible show.
Speaker 3: I have just been loving the new episodes that are
Speaker 3: dropping weekly on bind and Theresa Palmer's performance in it
Speaker 3: is just incredible. So if you want to know more,
Speaker 3: we have put all the links in our show notes.
Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Niama Brown, Senior
Speaker 3: producer is Grace Rufray, sound design is Jacob Brown, and
Speaker 3: I'm Laura Brodnick. It's been a pleasure to be your
Speaker 3: No Filter guest host today. Kate Langroup will be backing
Speaker 3: your ears on Monday with another captivating No Filter story.
Speaker 1: Bye. No