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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Kate Lanebrook. Welcome to No Filter. Teresa Palmer

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Speaker 2: is an open book in the most generous, heartfelt way,

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Speaker 1: Teresa has a.

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Speaker 2: Remarkable way of letting you into her world. And what

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Speaker 2: a world it is, a whirlwind of creativity, chaos, and love.

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Speaker 2: Her family a traveling circus. Her words not mine, but

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Speaker 2: Teresa sits down with our head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnick,

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Speaker 2: which is a great show, but the conversation quickly becomes

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Speaker 2: so much more than that. With her heart firmly on

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Speaker 1: This is Teresa Palmer.

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Speaker 3: Well, Teresa Palmer, Welcome to Mama MEA thank you.

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Speaker 1: I have been a big fan OFS for a very

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Speaker 3: Oh look, every softime we see you like our Instagram

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Speaker 4: I'm I legit, I am a super fan.

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Speaker 1: And I've listened to so many of the podcasts, the

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Speaker 3: Caught up ringing in doors. So last time I saw

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Speaker 3: you you was last night walking the red carp at

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Speaker 3: Leanne Moriarty to your right, launching your new series in

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Speaker 3: a beautiful gown, full hair and makeup, And I wanted

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Speaker 1: go back and be like, you can let that one go.

440
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Speaker 3: You can just feel so high stakes at that age.

441
00:22:03,605 --> 00:22:05,445
Speaker 3: I mean it does sound too but like nineteen, when

442
00:22:05,485 --> 00:22:07,565
Speaker 3: you're first love, it all feels like it'll be life

443
00:22:07,605 --> 00:22:08,965
Speaker 3: and death, life and death.

444
00:22:09,525 --> 00:22:13,125
Speaker 1: It's so endearing, but it's also like informative for me

445
00:22:13,205 --> 00:22:16,445
Speaker 1: because my kids are going to be entering these ages

446
00:22:16,485 --> 00:22:19,165
Speaker 1: and I want to remember what it was like to

447
00:22:19,285 --> 00:22:21,645
Speaker 1: feel like it was the end of the world with

448
00:22:21,805 --> 00:22:24,845
Speaker 1: your best friend wasn't talking to you at school, and

449
00:22:24,925 --> 00:22:27,845
Speaker 1: so it's good. It's it's like such a precious thing

450
00:22:27,965 --> 00:22:29,045
Speaker 1: to have these journals.

451
00:22:29,445 --> 00:22:32,405
Speaker 3: Oh that's really beautiful. And I'm glad you talked about

452
00:22:32,525 --> 00:22:34,325
Speaker 3: your first love there because I want to ask you

453
00:22:34,365 --> 00:22:37,405
Speaker 3: now about your your everlasting love. I'm assuming with your

454
00:22:37,445 --> 00:22:40,725
Speaker 3: husband Mark and the beautiful relationship you have. Is it

455
00:22:40,765 --> 00:22:43,125
Speaker 3: true just before you met him, you wrote a manifestation

456
00:22:43,765 --> 00:22:45,845
Speaker 3: list of the person that you were looking for. Did

457
00:22:45,885 --> 00:22:47,165
Speaker 3: he fit the bill? It was one of those things

458
00:22:47,205 --> 00:22:48,685
Speaker 3: you had to just throw the list down and think, well,

459
00:22:48,725 --> 00:22:50,685
Speaker 3: I've got to go with this man. I'm in love

460
00:22:50,725 --> 00:22:51,125
Speaker 3: with now.

461
00:22:51,485 --> 00:22:55,725
Speaker 1: Yes, it's totally true, and he fit all ten pages.

462
00:22:55,445 --> 00:22:57,845
Speaker 3: Ten pages, ten pages. My goodness.

463
00:22:58,205 --> 00:23:01,845
Speaker 1: So I had gone through this really painful breakup and

464
00:23:02,445 --> 00:23:05,005
Speaker 1: I was actually hanging out with a group of people

465
00:23:05,005 --> 00:23:08,045
Speaker 1: who are really like deep in self development work and

466
00:23:08,045 --> 00:23:10,965
Speaker 1: spirituality and mobile. The singer Moby happened to be one

467
00:23:10,965 --> 00:23:15,045
Speaker 1: of them, and he was really instrumental in my early years.

468
00:23:15,085 --> 00:23:17,525
Speaker 1: I listened to his album on repeat all the time.

469
00:23:17,685 --> 00:23:20,125
Speaker 1: In fact, I would sleep It was my sleep song

470
00:23:20,205 --> 00:23:24,325
Speaker 1: Porcelain for two years, so I would sleep listening to Moby. Anyway,

471
00:23:24,405 --> 00:23:28,445
Speaker 1: So I meet him, We start connecting and he's doing

472
00:23:28,525 --> 00:23:32,685
Speaker 1: a lot of like meditation stuff at his castle in

473
00:23:32,725 --> 00:23:33,125
Speaker 1: beach with.

474
00:23:33,365 --> 00:23:34,725
Speaker 3: Just a casual castle, just.

475
00:23:34,685 --> 00:23:37,645
Speaker 1: A casual castle, and he would do these really cool

476
00:23:37,685 --> 00:23:40,845
Speaker 1: things in the dar it was you'd turn off all

477
00:23:40,885 --> 00:23:44,845
Speaker 1: the lights and so it was like sensory deprivation, so

478
00:23:44,845 --> 00:23:47,045
Speaker 1: you couldn't see anything, you couldn't hear anything. It was

479
00:23:47,085 --> 00:23:49,485
Speaker 1: dead silent. It'd be a group of like forty forty

480
00:23:49,565 --> 00:23:53,045
Speaker 1: fifty people and there'd be only candle light and then

481
00:23:53,085 --> 00:23:55,245
Speaker 1: the candle would go off and people would sit in

482
00:23:55,285 --> 00:23:59,045
Speaker 1: meditation for however long the collective group would want to

483
00:23:59,085 --> 00:24:03,565
Speaker 1: sit in meditation, and this was all very very new

484
00:24:03,605 --> 00:24:04,925
Speaker 1: to me, and I was like, what is this.

485
00:24:05,605 --> 00:24:07,005
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I grab up Catholic.

486
00:24:07,245 --> 00:24:10,565
Speaker 1: I didn't know so much about meditation, but I always

487
00:24:10,645 --> 00:24:14,765
Speaker 1: felt so connected to myself after these sessions. And then

488
00:24:14,805 --> 00:24:18,085
Speaker 1: I found this idea of the law of attraction and

489
00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:21,125
Speaker 1: I started looking into that. And so because I had

490
00:24:21,165 --> 00:24:23,925
Speaker 1: had this like awful relationship, I was like, I'm just

491
00:24:23,965 --> 00:24:28,205
Speaker 1: going to try this. And I got very very specific

492
00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:32,205
Speaker 1: in what I wanted and I called it in as

493
00:24:32,245 --> 00:24:35,565
Speaker 1: though I already had it. My man is he has

494
00:24:36,285 --> 00:24:39,725
Speaker 1: you know, this color eyes, and he's a cancer and

495
00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:42,165
Speaker 1: he loves children and he wants to have a big family,

496
00:24:42,285 --> 00:24:45,805
Speaker 1: and he's an animal lover and he's at least a

497
00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:50,245
Speaker 1: vegetarian and all these things. And I wrote it very specific,

498
00:24:50,405 --> 00:24:52,045
Speaker 1: this is the way he is with my friends and

499
00:24:52,085 --> 00:24:54,605
Speaker 1: his artistic and creative and deep thinker.

500
00:24:54,685 --> 00:24:56,325
Speaker 4: And so I wrote this all out.

501
00:24:56,405 --> 00:24:59,205
Speaker 1: And the stuff that I was studying at the time

502
00:24:59,325 --> 00:25:01,165
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now, you can't fixate on this.

503
00:25:01,725 --> 00:25:01,885
Speaker 3: Now.

504
00:25:01,885 --> 00:25:03,485
Speaker 1: You got to sort of put it out to the

505
00:25:03,565 --> 00:25:06,125
Speaker 1: universe now and put these pages away somewhere in a draw.

506
00:25:06,365 --> 00:25:10,725
Speaker 1: Don't fixate, let it go. And I did, and three

507
00:25:10,765 --> 00:25:18,445
Speaker 1: months later I met my husband randomly online through Twitter

508
00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:19,645
Speaker 1: on twew.

509
00:25:19,805 --> 00:25:22,045
Speaker 3: You just don't hear those stories from Twitter all the

510
00:25:22,125 --> 00:25:24,685
Speaker 3: different social platforms. It's usually where you find a troll.

511
00:25:24,805 --> 00:25:27,285
Speaker 3: You got catfish, like, this might be the one Twitter

512
00:25:27,325 --> 00:25:27,925
Speaker 3: I love story.

513
00:25:28,085 --> 00:25:30,765
Speaker 1: I know, I know, we always say like the modern

514
00:25:30,845 --> 00:25:34,005
Speaker 1: day love story through social media. At the time, I

515
00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:36,245
Speaker 1: was like in a really sad place. I was at

516
00:25:36,245 --> 00:25:38,485
Speaker 1: the Bowery staying at the Bowery Hotel in New York,

517
00:25:38,525 --> 00:25:42,365
Speaker 1: which is like the famous hotel in New York, with

518
00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:46,245
Speaker 1: my friend Brooke. But I was so desperately lonely and

519
00:25:46,325 --> 00:25:49,885
Speaker 1: sad because of this heartbreak. And I happened to look

520
00:25:49,925 --> 00:25:54,125
Speaker 1: at this trailer because I was like, I'll just kick.

521
00:25:54,045 --> 00:25:56,365
Speaker 4: Myself when I'm down, Like, what is.

522
00:25:56,325 --> 00:25:59,285
Speaker 1: Another actress up to that's doing better than me and

523
00:25:59,365 --> 00:25:59,965
Speaker 1: her career is.

524
00:25:59,965 --> 00:26:00,565
Speaker 4: Better than mine?

525
00:26:00,685 --> 00:26:02,725
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I know, I'm going to google what Amanda

526
00:26:02,765 --> 00:26:06,365
Speaker 1: Seafred's up to. Oh, look, she's got another movie at sundown,

527
00:26:06,445 --> 00:26:08,325
Speaker 1: so of course she does amazing.

528
00:26:07,845 --> 00:26:10,765
Speaker 4: Good for her. So I watched the trailer for her.

529
00:26:10,685 --> 00:26:13,965
Speaker 1: Movie and I was like, oh my god, that is

530
00:26:14,045 --> 00:26:16,685
Speaker 1: so beautiful, my cooleous movie.

531
00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:19,125
Speaker 4: And I was like, Oh, I'm going to.

532
00:26:19,125 --> 00:26:21,725
Speaker 1: Tweet about this. I was just so moved by this trailer.

533
00:26:21,805 --> 00:26:23,765
Speaker 1: So I tweeted about it and I was like, oh,

534
00:26:23,805 --> 00:26:27,085
Speaker 1: I'll put the filmmaker's handle in there, and it was

535
00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:29,885
Speaker 1: my husband. It was his movie, and I put his

536
00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:33,405
Speaker 1: handle in there at like mark and I was like,

537
00:26:33,485 --> 00:26:34,525
Speaker 1: everyone should check this out.

538
00:26:34,565 --> 00:26:36,445
Speaker 4: This looks so beautiful. Put it out there.

539
00:26:36,485 --> 00:26:39,245
Speaker 1: And then he started messaging me. He slipped into the

540
00:26:39,325 --> 00:26:42,125
Speaker 1: DMS and was like, Oh, I'm an admirer of your

541
00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:45,125
Speaker 1: work and I was like, oh, and my friend Brooke,

542
00:26:45,205 --> 00:26:47,725
Speaker 1: thank god, she's one of my good friends. Now. She's

543
00:26:47,805 --> 00:26:50,445
Speaker 1: so cool and in the know of like who's who

544
00:26:50,525 --> 00:26:53,245
Speaker 1: and like the underground art scene and she was like,

545
00:26:53,605 --> 00:26:54,765
Speaker 1: don't you know who that is?

546
00:26:55,045 --> 00:26:55,125
Speaker 2: What?

547
00:26:55,525 --> 00:26:56,925
Speaker 4: No, who is this person?

548
00:26:57,005 --> 00:26:59,365
Speaker 1: And she was like, you've got to hear his story.

549
00:26:59,445 --> 00:27:01,965
Speaker 1: He was a homeless kid and he made him his

550
00:27:02,205 --> 00:27:04,845
Speaker 1: way out of his situation, and he's like been on

551
00:27:04,965 --> 00:27:07,765
Speaker 1: Broadway and he's worked with all the greats and he's

552
00:27:07,805 --> 00:27:10,965
Speaker 1: like really revered in the indoe in this underground acting

553
00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:13,045
Speaker 1: scene and I was like, oh my god.

554
00:27:13,165 --> 00:27:15,565
Speaker 4: Really, she was like, you've got to DM him back.

555
00:27:15,805 --> 00:27:16,725
Speaker 4: This is so hot.

556
00:27:16,845 --> 00:27:18,805
Speaker 1: You've got to hook up with this guy like anyway,

557
00:27:18,925 --> 00:27:22,885
Speaker 1: So I had my and he's always thankful to Brook

558
00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:24,765
Speaker 1: for just being.

559
00:27:24,885 --> 00:27:27,325
Speaker 3: Just stilitating that and getting it all totally.

560
00:27:27,525 --> 00:27:29,685
Speaker 4: And then that's that's kind of how it happened.

561
00:27:29,725 --> 00:27:32,565
Speaker 1: We just wrote letters, love letters to each other for

562
00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:36,885
Speaker 1: forty days actually just over email, until we met in flesh,

563
00:27:36,885 --> 00:27:39,045
Speaker 1: and we had already fallen in love through our writing

564
00:27:39,245 --> 00:27:40,605
Speaker 1: at that point when we go on, I.

565
00:27:40,525 --> 00:27:42,725
Speaker 3: Hope this has been turned into a movie. I know

566
00:27:42,765 --> 00:27:44,325
Speaker 3: you guys collaborate a lot, so I feel like that

567
00:27:44,325 --> 00:27:46,485
Speaker 3: should be on the list of potential projects. I know

568
00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:48,005
Speaker 3: it hope out there.

569
00:27:48,165 --> 00:27:50,685
Speaker 1: Do you know? It's really beautiful and it's nice to

570
00:27:50,765 --> 00:27:53,285
Speaker 1: fall in love with a person's way rather than just

571
00:27:53,365 --> 00:27:57,205
Speaker 1: like the way they look or sexual chemistry or whatever.

572
00:27:57,285 --> 00:28:00,645
Speaker 1: It was just like a really deep understanding of each

573
00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:04,045
Speaker 1: other before we even were in person for the first time.

574
00:28:04,325 --> 00:28:06,565
Speaker 3: Well, and has that really set the foundation for when

575
00:28:06,765 --> 00:28:09,725
Speaker 3: now you are as parents and working this crazy industry,

576
00:28:10,125 --> 00:28:12,365
Speaker 3: because I feel like you've been so open about your

577
00:28:12,365 --> 00:28:15,085
Speaker 3: relationship and the ups and downs, and you've talked about

578
00:28:15,125 --> 00:28:17,645
Speaker 3: it publicly on your podcast, and you've done interviews and

579
00:28:17,685 --> 00:28:19,805
Speaker 3: in your book, and there's I'm a big fan of

580
00:28:19,845 --> 00:28:21,405
Speaker 3: your podcast some other days. By the way, I'm not

581
00:28:21,405 --> 00:28:23,165
Speaker 3: a mother myself, but I take a lot away from

582
00:28:23,205 --> 00:28:26,045
Speaker 3: just hearing all the different stories and everything. But there's

583
00:28:26,085 --> 00:28:28,405
Speaker 3: a set of episodes I listened to that have always

584
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:30,245
Speaker 3: stuck in my mind, and it's when you had Mark

585
00:28:30,285 --> 00:28:32,365
Speaker 3: on and I just remember listening to that. You know,

586
00:28:32,365 --> 00:28:34,245
Speaker 3: sometimes you listened to a podcast while you're grocery shop

587
00:28:34,285 --> 00:28:36,485
Speaker 3: and you're walking as like background noise. I started listening

588
00:28:36,525 --> 00:28:37,965
Speaker 3: to this one. I just sit on my couch and

589
00:28:38,045 --> 00:28:40,565
Speaker 3: just like listen to it and take it in because

590
00:28:40,925 --> 00:28:43,885
Speaker 3: it was this really beautiful insight into his life and

591
00:28:43,965 --> 00:28:46,285
Speaker 3: into your marriage and into your relationship. And I love

592
00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:49,085
Speaker 3: how you touched on his childhood and what he went

593
00:28:49,125 --> 00:28:53,525
Speaker 3: through and addiction and parenthood and all of those different topics.

594
00:28:53,805 --> 00:28:55,245
Speaker 3: How do you make a decision like that as a

595
00:28:55,285 --> 00:28:58,045
Speaker 3: couple to put that story out there so publicly.

596
00:28:58,925 --> 00:29:02,445
Speaker 1: I think Mark has always really been proud of his story,

597
00:29:02,965 --> 00:29:07,565
Speaker 1: and he feels like he wants to be of service.

598
00:29:08,005 --> 00:29:11,325
Speaker 1: He grew up being of his mom still is the

599
00:29:11,365 --> 00:29:14,445
Speaker 1: head of the Poor People's Army in Philadelphia. She lives

600
00:29:14,445 --> 00:29:17,325
Speaker 1: in the most violent neighborhood in all of America, and

601
00:29:18,325 --> 00:29:21,365
Speaker 1: she dedicates her life to, you know, putting homeless people

602
00:29:21,445 --> 00:29:24,445
Speaker 1: into these takeover houses and making sure that they have

603
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:28,725
Speaker 1: roofs over their head. And I think that Mark feels

604
00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:34,485
Speaker 1: a real sense of responsibility to affect positive change, and

605
00:29:34,525 --> 00:29:36,445
Speaker 1: one of the ways he really believes he can do

606
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:39,165
Speaker 1: that is by sharing his story. So he thought, what

607
00:29:39,325 --> 00:29:41,765
Speaker 1: better way to do that than on my platform on

608
00:29:41,805 --> 00:29:44,405
Speaker 1: the other days and still to this day, we have,

609
00:29:44,845 --> 00:29:48,765
Speaker 1: by the way, interviewed, like you guys, so many celebrities,

610
00:29:48,765 --> 00:29:52,765
Speaker 1: like massive celebrities with huge paws and fan base. They

611
00:29:52,805 --> 00:29:55,645
Speaker 1: are still our most popular.

612
00:29:55,245 --> 00:29:58,845
Speaker 3: Really because everyone had that really visceral reaction to it.

613
00:29:59,485 --> 00:30:02,565
Speaker 1: We have been stopped on the street for those episodes

614
00:30:03,165 --> 00:30:05,965
Speaker 1: more than anything, really more than our movies.

615
00:30:06,165 --> 00:30:06,925
Speaker 3: I would believe it that.

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00:30:06,965 --> 00:30:10,325
Speaker 1: Actually, it was so profound the way he opened up,

617
00:30:10,925 --> 00:30:16,205
Speaker 1: and also we really talked about our marriage and the

618
00:30:16,245 --> 00:30:21,285
Speaker 1: ways in which both of our unique conditioning in our

619
00:30:21,405 --> 00:30:29,125
Speaker 1: childhoods inform our dynamic and our patterns, and how there

620
00:30:29,125 --> 00:30:32,725
Speaker 1: can be a certain level of toxicity in patterns when

621
00:30:33,685 --> 00:30:39,325
Speaker 1: they get ignored, and just the observation of a marriage

622
00:30:39,405 --> 00:30:43,165
Speaker 1: dynamic is really integral. And thank god, we've both done

623
00:30:43,205 --> 00:30:47,405
Speaker 1: so much work in ourselves that when we get into

624
00:30:47,445 --> 00:30:50,005
Speaker 1: a fight or when you know, as we described it

625
00:30:50,045 --> 00:30:52,925
Speaker 1: on the potty, and he describes it too. You just

626
00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:55,525
Speaker 1: did a fringe show where he talked about dark Mark.

627
00:30:56,165 --> 00:30:59,525
Speaker 1: Whereas like the thoughts and his conditioning and his trauma,

628
00:30:59,845 --> 00:31:03,205
Speaker 1: he has immense trauma from his childhood. When that comes up,

629
00:31:03,805 --> 00:31:08,525
Speaker 1: how he internalizes that that is a really big part

630
00:31:08,645 --> 00:31:11,565
Speaker 1: of our relationship and the fact that we are able

631
00:31:11,885 --> 00:31:17,565
Speaker 1: to when those things come up, stop unpack what's going

632
00:31:17,605 --> 00:31:20,725
Speaker 1: on without the judgment. And that's something I work on

633
00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:23,205
Speaker 1: all the time, like trying not to judge it or

634
00:31:23,245 --> 00:31:28,685
Speaker 1: trying not to label it, or trying not to fix,

635
00:31:29,285 --> 00:31:32,045
Speaker 1: fix and nurture, because that's my conditioning is. You know,

636
00:31:32,085 --> 00:31:34,285
Speaker 1: I grew up with a mother who has skids to

637
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:36,125
Speaker 1: effective disorder. It was just the two of us. So

638
00:31:36,565 --> 00:31:40,205
Speaker 1: my conditioning is nurture fix mother, which is why I

639
00:31:40,245 --> 00:31:44,485
Speaker 1: have so many children. Brother, And that is a really

640
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,525
Speaker 1: important thing to find within your relationship, like what are

641
00:31:48,525 --> 00:31:51,965
Speaker 1: both of our responsibilities and how can we co create

642
00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:56,925
Speaker 1: and make sure that we are emotionally regulating one another.

643
00:31:58,205 --> 00:32:02,885
Speaker 1: And it's been beautiful to talk about and cathartic, and

644
00:32:02,925 --> 00:32:04,405
Speaker 1: we're so imperfect.

645
00:32:04,685 --> 00:32:06,485
Speaker 4: I mean we still have fights.

646
00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:08,805
Speaker 1: All the time. I'm like, ah, I get annoyed and

647
00:32:09,365 --> 00:32:14,605
Speaker 1: he gets annoyed at me, and but we've made it work.

648
00:32:14,765 --> 00:32:17,565
Speaker 1: We get through it, and we up level each time

649
00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:21,485
Speaker 1: we have a conflict, there's an up leveling that happens,

650
00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:25,445
Speaker 1: and that's how we see it. So but it's been wobbly.

651
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:26,805
Speaker 1: There have been times where it's like we're not going

652
00:32:26,885 --> 00:32:28,325
Speaker 1: to make it, but then we do.

653
00:32:28,685 --> 00:32:30,405
Speaker 3: Is it also nice in a way to have a

654
00:32:30,445 --> 00:32:32,765
Speaker 3: bit of control over the narrative because the thing is like,

655
00:32:32,765 --> 00:32:35,565
Speaker 3: if you're not putting anything out into the world, media

656
00:32:35,685 --> 00:32:38,765
Speaker 3: or tabloids or fans can kind of create their own stories.

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00:32:38,765 --> 00:32:41,405
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking of a moment from the first episode

658
00:32:41,405 --> 00:32:44,605
Speaker 3: with Mark where you're talking about these paparazzi photos going

659
00:32:44,645 --> 00:32:47,085
Speaker 3: everywhere from a fight you were having and some people

660
00:32:47,085 --> 00:32:49,005
Speaker 3: think it was from a movie and some people are

661
00:32:49,045 --> 00:32:51,045
Speaker 3: not knowing, And do you want to tell the story

662
00:32:51,045 --> 00:32:52,605
Speaker 3: for that, because I'm wondering if people maybe just saw

663
00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:54,845
Speaker 3: the photos and wouldn't have known this kind of backstory

664
00:32:54,885 --> 00:32:56,045
Speaker 3: that led to the podcast.

665
00:32:56,805 --> 00:32:58,485
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it was funny.

666
00:32:58,525 --> 00:33:04,085
Speaker 1: We were shooting a movie, so I was producing a

667
00:33:04,205 --> 00:33:07,125
Speaker 1: movie in the early days. I was twelve weeks pregnant

668
00:33:07,765 --> 00:33:14,205
Speaker 1: with our baby, our first baby, body, and I was financing.

669
00:33:13,485 --> 00:33:14,805
Speaker 4: His new movie.

670
00:33:15,085 --> 00:33:17,685
Speaker 1: And we had only been together at this point, not

671
00:33:17,885 --> 00:33:21,565
Speaker 1: very long, maybe not even a year. Wow, But I.

672
00:33:21,525 --> 00:33:24,485
Speaker 3: Mean, you've got the manifestation list working.

673
00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:29,845
Speaker 1: And what had happened was we were filming the movie

674
00:33:30,005 --> 00:33:33,605
Speaker 1: and then I found out that he had picked up

675
00:33:33,645 --> 00:33:39,045
Speaker 1: again and that he was deep in a relapse. But

676
00:33:39,845 --> 00:33:44,925
Speaker 1: a part of the addictive behavior is to conceal and

677
00:33:44,965 --> 00:33:51,485
Speaker 1: to manipulate and lie to preserve the thing that you have,

678
00:33:51,645 --> 00:33:55,325
Speaker 1: which is for him. It was this relationship, and there's

679
00:33:55,365 --> 00:33:58,645
Speaker 1: sort of a certain level of self sabotage that happened sometimes,

680
00:33:58,685 --> 00:34:03,125
Speaker 1: I think with addiction. And I did not at that

681
00:34:03,245 --> 00:34:06,725
Speaker 1: point understand addiction at all. I only judged it, and

682
00:34:07,725 --> 00:34:11,605
Speaker 1: I was water fight and I was pregnant and I

683
00:34:11,685 --> 00:34:16,805
Speaker 1: felt trapped and I was so angry, And the paparazzi

684
00:34:17,325 --> 00:34:21,165
Speaker 1: happened to be there that day when I was screaming

685
00:34:21,205 --> 00:34:25,125
Speaker 1: at him and crying and just full devastation, just like

686
00:34:25,725 --> 00:34:27,605
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a single mother, I'm going to

687
00:34:27,685 --> 00:34:28,205
Speaker 1: be raising this.

688
00:34:28,325 --> 00:34:31,005
Speaker 4: But this is not the narrative.

689
00:34:30,605 --> 00:34:32,365
Speaker 1: This is not the story, This is not what I

690
00:34:32,445 --> 00:34:36,565
Speaker 1: pictured for us, like I just the it felt way

691
00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:43,005
Speaker 1: too overwhelming and they snapped these photos. But luckily because

692
00:34:43,045 --> 00:34:44,645
Speaker 1: we happened to be shooting that day and there were

693
00:34:44,645 --> 00:34:50,485
Speaker 1: some like cameras around, the Daily Mail was like, Oh,

694
00:34:50,525 --> 00:34:53,685
Speaker 1: they're filming, they're practicing for a scene, they're rehearsing, and

695
00:34:53,765 --> 00:34:57,645
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm good that that's just maby

696
00:34:57,645 --> 00:35:01,765
Speaker 1: that's the story. But yeah, I've always felt like, if

697
00:35:01,845 --> 00:35:08,245
Speaker 1: you can share your own story, then you should, and

698
00:35:08,325 --> 00:35:12,805
Speaker 1: if you have the ability to do that, It's important

699
00:35:12,885 --> 00:35:17,565
Speaker 1: to me to humanize us and the positions that were

700
00:35:17,565 --> 00:35:20,885
Speaker 1: in because I have looked at people in the industry

701
00:35:20,925 --> 00:35:22,845
Speaker 1: who are on a pedestal and you just think they

702
00:35:22,885 --> 00:35:26,965
Speaker 1: have these perfect lives and everything, and you can't help

703
00:35:27,005 --> 00:35:28,925
Speaker 1: but be in a state of comparison, which is why

704
00:35:28,925 --> 00:35:29,565
Speaker 1: I'm like, why.

705
00:35:29,405 --> 00:35:31,685
Speaker 3: Isn't my life like that? If I just had that

706
00:35:31,725 --> 00:35:33,245
Speaker 3: one thing, I would be happy. I think it's what

707
00:35:33,285 --> 00:35:36,005
Speaker 3: we when we look at fame and people living their

708
00:35:36,045 --> 00:35:37,845
Speaker 3: dream careers. You always think, if I just had that,

709
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,245
Speaker 3: I'd be happy. And as I interview more actresses through

710
00:35:40,285 --> 00:35:42,565
Speaker 3: my career or all actors, or you always find there's

711
00:35:42,565 --> 00:35:45,365
Speaker 3: always something. There's so many different layers to that success.

712
00:35:45,765 --> 00:35:47,725
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I feel like I had

713
00:35:47,765 --> 00:35:51,685
Speaker 1: an epiphany just recently, Like I was working on this

714
00:35:51,805 --> 00:35:56,885
Speaker 1: show mixtape, and I was sitting on this log and

715
00:35:56,925 --> 00:35:58,445
Speaker 1: we were about to shoot the scene, and I was

716
00:35:58,445 --> 00:36:01,205
Speaker 1: sitting next to my coastar Jim Sturgis, who I had

717
00:36:01,405 --> 00:36:04,285
Speaker 1: watched in Across the Universe and I'd seen him in

718
00:36:04,285 --> 00:36:07,725
Speaker 1: twenty one, and it's like the wind was blowing, there

719
00:36:07,645 --> 00:36:10,645
Speaker 1: were birds, and we were outside on this crew and

720
00:36:10,725 --> 00:36:14,845
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my gosh, I am living

721
00:36:14,885 --> 00:36:17,845
Speaker 1: my dream, like right here in this moment. It just

722
00:36:18,085 --> 00:36:20,925
Speaker 1: dawned on me and I was emotional. I had like

723
00:36:21,005 --> 00:36:23,165
Speaker 1: a little tear running down my face, and I was like,

724
00:36:24,045 --> 00:36:28,605
Speaker 1: this is the best, and why as human beings do

725
00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:32,725
Speaker 1: we keep moving the meter, we keep pushing the bar forward.

726
00:36:33,085 --> 00:36:35,685
Speaker 1: I will be happy when this happens. And then you

727
00:36:35,685 --> 00:36:38,525
Speaker 1: get that thing, well, now, I'll be happy when I

728
00:36:38,605 --> 00:36:41,125
Speaker 1: get to this point and you keep moving the bar.

729
00:36:41,565 --> 00:36:43,565
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to do that anymore.

730
00:36:43,765 --> 00:36:45,045
Speaker 1: I want to just look around me and be like,

731
00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:48,765
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I have everything. This is I'm so

732
00:36:48,845 --> 00:36:51,565
Speaker 1: grateful and it's okay to strive for other things and

733
00:36:51,605 --> 00:36:56,885
Speaker 1: have other goals, but sitting in a place of just recognizing,

734
00:36:56,965 --> 00:37:01,325
Speaker 1: like I can celebrate where I am right now, that

735
00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:02,205
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing.

736
00:37:02,285 --> 00:37:03,725
Speaker 3: It must be very nice for your kids to grow

737
00:37:03,805 --> 00:37:06,325
Speaker 3: up in that environment where you're having that mindfulness and

738
00:37:06,365 --> 00:37:08,925
Speaker 3: you're and having these conversations and even thinking they could

739
00:37:08,925 --> 00:37:11,125
Speaker 3: go back and listen to your podcast and you know,

740
00:37:11,205 --> 00:37:12,925
Speaker 3: one day and see that even that moment where you

741
00:37:12,925 --> 00:37:14,965
Speaker 3: realize your parents are real people, Like there's a little

742
00:37:14,965 --> 00:37:16,845
Speaker 3: long time where they're just your mum and they exist

743
00:37:16,965 --> 00:37:18,685
Speaker 3: just for you and your dad, and then you get

744
00:37:18,725 --> 00:37:20,565
Speaker 3: to that moment where you realize they're a person with

745
00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:23,485
Speaker 3: a story in histories and faults and all those things.

746
00:37:23,525 --> 00:37:25,165
Speaker 3: It must be nice for the idea they could go

747
00:37:25,205 --> 00:37:26,565
Speaker 3: back and listen to that one day.

748
00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:29,965
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talk to them about all this stuff,

749
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:34,285
Speaker 1: like if Mark's ever feeling low or going through a

750
00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:37,805
Speaker 1: particular thing where he's missing his dad or he's thinking

751
00:37:37,805 --> 00:37:41,245
Speaker 1: about his childhood. He is so open with these children.

752
00:37:41,405 --> 00:37:44,245
Speaker 1: He just sits and he's like, you know, Dad's feeling

753
00:37:44,245 --> 00:37:47,405
Speaker 1: pretty sad right now, and I want you guys to

754
00:37:47,485 --> 00:37:51,085
Speaker 1: know that, Like it's really normal to feel sad and

755
00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:54,565
Speaker 1: to cry and to have big feelings and feelings come

756
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:58,045
Speaker 1: and feelings go, and this is what it's about. So

757
00:37:58,125 --> 00:38:01,325
Speaker 1: they also don't personalize and think, oh, dad's upset because

758
00:38:01,445 --> 00:38:04,725
Speaker 1: because of something I've done or and we are really

759
00:38:05,165 --> 00:38:08,165
Speaker 1: we talk to them about stuff all the time and

760
00:38:08,205 --> 00:38:10,445
Speaker 1: the way we see the world and like it's just

761
00:38:10,805 --> 00:38:13,365
Speaker 1: to see the magic through their eyes away they look

762
00:38:13,365 --> 00:38:16,845
Speaker 1: at things and their deep gratitude. I didn't have that

763
00:38:16,885 --> 00:38:19,605
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know. I was just like woo woo,

764
00:38:20,045 --> 00:38:22,165
Speaker 1: you know. And I think my kids have such a

765
00:38:22,245 --> 00:38:27,085
Speaker 1: beautiful awareness and a mindfulness and we're raising really conscious

766
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:32,005
Speaker 1: minded children, which is and spiritually rich kids, which is

767
00:38:32,885 --> 00:38:36,925
Speaker 1: wonderful and quite a departure from my experience. I had

768
00:38:36,925 --> 00:38:41,365
Speaker 1: a very dogmatic, you know, Catholic upbringing, fear based for me.

769
00:38:41,805 --> 00:38:43,845
Speaker 1: And I know that's not everyone's experience, but for me,

770
00:38:43,885 --> 00:38:46,325
Speaker 1: it was fear based. I need to be good otherwise

771
00:38:46,365 --> 00:38:49,045
Speaker 1: I'll be punished. Yeah, I won't go to heaven.

772
00:38:49,565 --> 00:38:50,765
Speaker 3: Is kind of what they tell you in a Catholic

773
00:38:50,805 --> 00:38:57,325
Speaker 3: primary school. I can relate. Yes, Yes, there was still

774
00:38:57,405 --> 00:39:00,645
Speaker 3: so much more to unpack with Teresa. So after the break,

775
00:39:00,725 --> 00:39:03,965
Speaker 3: she opens up about friendship, both in life and in

776
00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:08,245
Speaker 3: the industry, and her decision to share deeply personal moments,

777
00:39:08,285 --> 00:39:12,525
Speaker 3: including the experience of pregnancy loss that's coming up next.

778
00:39:16,365 --> 00:39:18,645
Speaker 3: So coming from that love that you have with your

779
00:39:18,765 --> 00:39:21,405
Speaker 3: family and your children. Something else I've noticed about following

780
00:39:21,405 --> 00:39:23,885
Speaker 3: your work for many years is this love that you

781
00:39:23,965 --> 00:39:26,925
Speaker 3: have for your friendships, and your female friendships in particular,

782
00:39:27,285 --> 00:39:29,485
Speaker 3: because you run your podcast and your book and everything

783
00:39:29,485 --> 00:39:31,645
Speaker 3: with Sarah right Olsen, who's an actress, I know that

784
00:39:31,685 --> 00:39:34,965
Speaker 3: you're very close. And I love that clip at the

785
00:39:35,005 --> 00:39:38,005
Speaker 3: Actor Awards this year of you presenting Phoebe Tonkin. That

786
00:39:38,165 --> 00:39:41,365
Speaker 3: was the clip that went everywhere from that show because

787
00:39:41,405 --> 00:39:43,085
Speaker 3: the look on your face when you read out her

788
00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:45,725
Speaker 3: name as Best Lead Actress and then she jumped up,

789
00:39:45,765 --> 00:39:48,205
Speaker 3: and you have this beautiful moment of and she can't

790
00:39:48,245 --> 00:39:52,125
Speaker 3: quite believe that that you've presented her with this huge award.

791
00:39:52,525 --> 00:39:54,685
Speaker 3: And then just a few weeks later, you were at

792
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:58,005
Speaker 3: the gaday USA and she presented you with a big award.

793
00:39:58,045 --> 00:40:00,165
Speaker 3: And so it just isn't important to you to have

794
00:40:00,245 --> 00:40:03,245
Speaker 3: these friendships be like a big thread throughout your career

795
00:40:03,285 --> 00:40:04,045
Speaker 3: and your life.

796
00:40:04,805 --> 00:40:07,245
Speaker 1: I think the special thing about Phoebe is we've known

797
00:40:07,285 --> 00:40:10,485
Speaker 1: each other for so long and I have been her

798
00:40:10,525 --> 00:40:15,645
Speaker 1: biggest cheerleader for years and years and years, and I

799
00:40:15,725 --> 00:40:18,245
Speaker 1: have and I know she has too. We've both been

800
00:40:18,325 --> 00:40:21,445
Speaker 1: waiting for the moment for, you know, just the industry

801
00:40:21,485 --> 00:40:26,125
Speaker 1: to sort of catch up and recognize Phoebe is such

802
00:40:26,165 --> 00:40:29,525
Speaker 1: an immense talent. Oh yes, and she has such a

803
00:40:29,605 --> 00:40:35,765
Speaker 1: well of depth. It is absolutely beautiful on screen and

804
00:40:35,965 --> 00:40:38,805
Speaker 1: I've always seen it from the early days, and I

805
00:40:38,885 --> 00:40:42,965
Speaker 1: knew she just needed that role to really showcase that,

806
00:40:43,285 --> 00:40:45,405
Speaker 1: and then she got the role, and then she went

807
00:40:45,445 --> 00:40:48,605
Speaker 1: in and just knocked it out of the park in

808
00:40:48,685 --> 00:40:52,285
Speaker 1: every way. So she felt so deserving. And I was

809
00:40:52,325 --> 00:40:55,045
Speaker 1: actually at the actors I don't know who has won.

810
00:40:55,165 --> 00:40:56,285
Speaker 1: I know I'm presenting that a.

811
00:40:56,325 --> 00:40:57,925
Speaker 3: Well, No, I saw the surprise on your face. I

812
00:40:57,965 --> 00:40:58,325
Speaker 3: believe you.

813
00:40:58,845 --> 00:41:02,925
Speaker 1: I was practicing backstage in case she won, because I

814
00:41:02,925 --> 00:41:05,005
Speaker 1: had a feeling because as I've seen the show, and

815
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:07,605
Speaker 1: I was like, she's so deserving. So I was practicing

816
00:41:07,725 --> 00:41:12,365
Speaker 1: saying her name in a relaxed way. Okay, just like,

817
00:41:12,445 --> 00:41:16,085
Speaker 1: and the winner is Phoebe Tonkin. That didn't happen. That

818
00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:18,325
Speaker 1: did not come across, and that did not come across.

819
00:41:18,405 --> 00:41:19,445
Speaker 4: I really tried.

820
00:41:20,445 --> 00:41:23,125
Speaker 1: Then it came out and it squeaked out of me,

821
00:41:23,605 --> 00:41:24,645
Speaker 1: and I sort.

822
00:41:24,365 --> 00:41:27,125
Speaker 4: Of squealed it like sort of screamed out of me.

823
00:41:27,205 --> 00:41:30,805
Speaker 1: And then afterwards I saw some of the other nominees

824
00:41:31,325 --> 00:41:34,045
Speaker 1: who I know in that category, and I was like,

825
00:41:34,285 --> 00:41:38,525
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just got so excited. I just didn't.

826
00:41:38,565 --> 00:41:42,965
Speaker 1: It just burst out of me and championing her and

827
00:41:43,165 --> 00:41:46,605
Speaker 1: her being my biggest cheerleader over the years too. It's

828
00:41:46,725 --> 00:41:49,325
Speaker 1: just been such a comfort because you can ride the

829
00:41:49,365 --> 00:41:53,245
Speaker 1: waves of Hollywood and there are peaks and they're are valleys,

830
00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:56,805
Speaker 1: but we can go through it together. And there's a

831
00:41:56,845 --> 00:41:59,565
Speaker 1: whole group of us navigating at Bella heath Coat as

832
00:41:59,565 --> 00:42:03,205
Speaker 1: well as another really good friend of mine, and we

833
00:42:03,365 --> 00:42:06,565
Speaker 1: share in each other's losses and each other's wins, and

834
00:42:06,605 --> 00:42:12,765
Speaker 1: there's no room for jealousy. Is only celebration for each other.

835
00:42:13,485 --> 00:42:17,165
Speaker 1: And that has been gorgeous, and I hope that we

836
00:42:17,205 --> 00:42:21,045
Speaker 1: can lead by example. There's enough room for everyone. And

837
00:42:21,045 --> 00:42:23,645
Speaker 1: we're all different flavors and we all do different things,

838
00:42:23,725 --> 00:42:26,485
Speaker 1: and there's room for all of us, and together we

839
00:42:26,605 --> 00:42:29,725
Speaker 1: are stronger. And you know, I just worked with Russell

840
00:42:29,765 --> 00:42:32,565
Speaker 1: Crowe on Bear Country, and one of my favorite takeaways

841
00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:38,205
Speaker 1: from him is he uplifts everyone around him. He offers

842
00:42:38,285 --> 00:42:44,565
Speaker 1: opportunities to people all over this movie. We're supporting actors

843
00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:48,525
Speaker 1: and bit players and dialect coaches and people who say like,

844
00:42:48,605 --> 00:42:51,405
Speaker 1: we we owe all of this to Russell and I

845
00:42:51,445 --> 00:42:54,485
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, someone in that position could hold on

846
00:42:54,565 --> 00:42:58,245
Speaker 1: to this success themselves, but he is giving and sharing it,

847
00:42:58,525 --> 00:43:01,685
Speaker 1: and I was like, I always want to be that way.

848
00:43:01,885 --> 00:43:05,445
Speaker 1: I want to just share an uplift and give and

849
00:43:05,525 --> 00:43:08,845
Speaker 1: celebrate each other. And that's what our little crew of

850
00:43:08,925 --> 00:43:10,005
Speaker 1: Ossie is actors do.

851
00:43:10,285 --> 00:43:12,565
Speaker 3: That's really lovely because you do hear I mean every industry,

852
00:43:12,565 --> 00:43:15,525
Speaker 3: but you do hear horror stories from Hollywood of especially

853
00:43:15,525 --> 00:43:17,725
Speaker 3: this idea that there's one leading lady or ever. It's

854
00:43:17,765 --> 00:43:19,925
Speaker 3: so cutthroat. And yeah, I think it was last year

855
00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:22,485
Speaker 3: that Sydney Sweeney gave an interview to Vanity Fair and

856
00:43:22,525 --> 00:43:25,205
Speaker 3: she's like, all that stuff you hear about women uplifting

857
00:43:25,205 --> 00:43:28,485
Speaker 3: women is not true. And then all these other actresses

858
00:43:28,565 --> 00:43:30,285
Speaker 3: came out and said, that's not our experience. And I

859
00:43:30,285 --> 00:43:33,325
Speaker 3: think everyone's story is their truth and they have different experiences.

860
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:35,925
Speaker 3: But if you're saying that, you've seen a completely different

861
00:43:35,965 --> 00:43:38,085
Speaker 3: side of that in this little group that you've been

862
00:43:38,125 --> 00:43:40,085
Speaker 3: able to build and the people that you work with.

863
00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:42,285
Speaker 3: I think that's a really positive takeaway.

864
00:43:42,645 --> 00:43:45,005
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels Australian to me.

865
00:43:45,565 --> 00:43:48,725
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, we're just like you know that

866
00:43:48,845 --> 00:43:53,965
Speaker 1: Aussie matship things a very real thing. And I love

867
00:43:54,125 --> 00:43:56,285
Speaker 1: them and I want the best for them and I

868
00:43:56,325 --> 00:44:00,125
Speaker 1: want to see them shine, and I know they feel

869
00:44:00,165 --> 00:44:04,645
Speaker 1: the same about me. So it's just a gorgeous it's

870
00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:07,605
Speaker 1: a gorgeous thing, and maybe it's a rarity, but it's

871
00:44:07,605 --> 00:44:10,445
Speaker 1: definitely our experience. And it's been really beautiful.

872
00:44:11,285 --> 00:44:13,845
Speaker 3: You've talked in the past about pregnancy loss and written

873
00:44:13,845 --> 00:44:16,365
Speaker 3: so beautifully about it in your book, and then last

874
00:44:16,485 --> 00:44:20,325
Speaker 3: year sharing another story of pregnancy loss with I thought

875
00:44:20,365 --> 00:44:22,805
Speaker 3: the way you did it was really interesting to share

876
00:44:22,845 --> 00:44:25,045
Speaker 3: this video to Instagram. And I know that you also

877
00:44:25,045 --> 00:44:28,405
Speaker 3: did a podcast episode showing the joy of finding that

878
00:44:28,525 --> 00:44:30,965
Speaker 3: out and then showing the loss, and I remember just

879
00:44:31,005 --> 00:44:32,845
Speaker 3: watching that and being it's not something I've been through,

880
00:44:32,885 --> 00:44:34,845
Speaker 3: but I've supported a lot of friends through it, and

881
00:44:34,885 --> 00:44:37,445
Speaker 3: so sort of seeing that out in the world, and

882
00:44:37,485 --> 00:44:39,765
Speaker 3: I remember clicking down into the comments and just seeing

883
00:44:40,645 --> 00:44:44,925
Speaker 3: hundreds of comments from thousands, thousands of comments from women

884
00:44:45,285 --> 00:44:47,805
Speaker 3: saying thank you for this, or sharing their own stories,

885
00:44:47,885 --> 00:44:50,405
Speaker 3: And what is it like to sort of, I guess,

886
00:44:50,445 --> 00:44:53,325
Speaker 3: move through that moment of pain and grief with your family,

887
00:44:53,405 --> 00:44:55,805
Speaker 3: but also have it out there in the world and

888
00:44:55,845 --> 00:44:57,205
Speaker 3: have people reacting to it.

889
00:44:58,485 --> 00:45:01,885
Speaker 1: I think it's both things. It's like really vulnerable and scary.

890
00:45:01,965 --> 00:45:04,245
Speaker 1: Did I make the right choice? Because now also my

891
00:45:04,325 --> 00:45:08,565
Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement keeps being linked back to my pregnancy loss,

892
00:45:08,565 --> 00:45:10,645
Speaker 1: like the it can't be two separate things.

893
00:45:10,685 --> 00:45:11,685
Speaker 4: It's everything.

894
00:45:11,725 --> 00:45:13,725
Speaker 1: The media is like she's had a loss and now

895
00:45:13,725 --> 00:45:14,405
Speaker 1: she's pregnant.

896
00:45:14,885 --> 00:45:15,845
Speaker 4: So there's a part.

897
00:45:15,685 --> 00:45:17,885
Speaker 1: Of me that thinks, oh, goodness, did I make the

898
00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:18,445
Speaker 1: right choice?

899
00:45:18,565 --> 00:45:20,565
Speaker 3: But I know that I did, because well, we just

900
00:45:20,605 --> 00:45:21,725
Speaker 3: read those comments, and you know.

901
00:45:22,325 --> 00:45:26,005
Speaker 1: Exactly it was the comments, and I read all of them,

902
00:45:26,085 --> 00:45:28,965
Speaker 1: and I spent days love hearting every single one and

903
00:45:29,005 --> 00:45:31,005
Speaker 1: trying to write back to as many as I could.

904
00:45:31,725 --> 00:45:38,365
Speaker 1: But I also acknowledge that I have four beautiful, biological,

905
00:45:39,005 --> 00:45:41,965
Speaker 1: healthy children that I was able to get pregnant with

906
00:45:42,165 --> 00:45:47,565
Speaker 1: and grow and birth and they're healthy, and that already

907
00:45:47,605 --> 00:45:51,125
Speaker 1: can be triggering for some people. And I wanted to

908
00:45:52,045 --> 00:45:57,885
Speaker 1: put out there that I also went through a pregnancy loss,

909
00:45:57,965 --> 00:46:01,485
Speaker 1: and yes, I have these beautiful, healthy children, and you

910
00:46:01,565 --> 00:46:04,005
Speaker 1: have the right to grieve a loss no matter how

911
00:46:04,005 --> 00:46:06,925
Speaker 1: many children you have. There are some women who can't

912
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,925
Speaker 1: even get pregnant, and they long and long and long

913
00:46:11,005 --> 00:46:15,285
Speaker 1: to be a mother. And I feel like all stories

914
00:46:15,605 --> 00:46:19,525
Speaker 1: should be valid and all stories should be celebrated and told.

915
00:46:19,925 --> 00:46:22,365
Speaker 1: And I just thought, I want to put this out

916
00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:24,565
Speaker 1: there because to a lot of people, they just look

917
00:46:24,605 --> 00:46:25,645
Speaker 1: at me as like a breeder.

918
00:46:25,845 --> 00:46:27,045
Speaker 4: I just have all these children.

919
00:46:27,165 --> 00:46:31,325
Speaker 1: But also I suffered a loss, and I thought I

920
00:46:31,405 --> 00:46:33,565
Speaker 1: was having this baby. I mean, you get pregnant, and

921
00:46:33,565 --> 00:46:35,685
Speaker 1: I think I took it for granted because I haven't

922
00:46:35,725 --> 00:46:39,765
Speaker 1: had that experience before. I did very early on. I

923
00:46:39,845 --> 00:46:42,165
Speaker 1: had a mold of pregnancy back in twenty fifteen, but

924
00:46:42,685 --> 00:46:45,845
Speaker 1: I was about six weeks pregnant. And it's for me,

925
00:46:45,885 --> 00:46:49,605
Speaker 1: it's the breaking up with the dream that the dream

926
00:46:49,645 --> 00:46:51,765
Speaker 1: of who this baby is, when they're going to be born,

927
00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:53,725
Speaker 1: what the age GAP's going to be. And so I

928
00:46:53,765 --> 00:46:56,325
Speaker 1: wanted to show the high of that and the excitement

929
00:46:56,365 --> 00:47:01,245
Speaker 1: with the kids, and then show the dream dissipating and

930
00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:05,325
Speaker 1: that feeling of oh is this never going to happen again.

931
00:47:06,685 --> 00:47:09,925
Speaker 1: So that was important to me, you know, And we

932
00:47:09,965 --> 00:47:11,165
Speaker 1: had pushback on our book.

933
00:47:11,205 --> 00:47:13,965
Speaker 4: We dedicated an entire chapter to pregnancy.

934
00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:16,485
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so it's a really beautiful chapter.

935
00:47:16,685 --> 00:47:17,125
Speaker 1: Thank you.

936
00:47:17,165 --> 00:47:19,005
Speaker 3: It really kind of hits you for people who have

937
00:47:19,085 --> 00:47:21,725
Speaker 3: been through that and for people who have that, for

938
00:47:21,765 --> 00:47:23,685
Speaker 3: people in their lives and want to have a small

939
00:47:23,725 --> 00:47:25,325
Speaker 3: idea of how to support them through it.

940
00:47:25,765 --> 00:47:26,885
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.

941
00:47:26,965 --> 00:47:30,205
Speaker 1: And then my co host went on to have back

942
00:47:30,245 --> 00:47:33,085
Speaker 1: to back to back to back losses and she's now

943
00:47:33,125 --> 00:47:37,125
Speaker 1: pregnant at forty one. I saw that with her rainbow baby,

944
00:47:37,125 --> 00:47:39,645
Speaker 1: who like triple quadruple rainbow baby.

945
00:47:40,245 --> 00:47:41,405
Speaker 4: So that was.

946
00:47:41,445 --> 00:47:45,485
Speaker 1: Really important to dedicate that time to writing that chapter

947
00:47:45,605 --> 00:47:48,605
Speaker 1: in our book. This is ze Muma's Guide to finding

948
00:47:48,605 --> 00:47:49,245
Speaker 1: your path.

949
00:47:49,045 --> 00:47:50,845
Speaker 4: Who through Pregnancy, birth and beyond.

950
00:47:51,365 --> 00:47:54,125
Speaker 1: Because you know, initially everyone was like, why would you

951
00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:56,725
Speaker 1: want to write about loss and a pregnancy and birth book.

952
00:47:57,045 --> 00:47:58,365
Speaker 4: I was like, because it's a part of.

953
00:47:58,285 --> 00:48:01,645
Speaker 1: The journey one and four one and four women go.

954
00:48:01,805 --> 00:48:04,285
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's really important to have all those different

955
00:48:04,285 --> 00:48:07,125
Speaker 3: stories out there, which actually think is a beautiful thread

956
00:48:07,205 --> 00:48:10,005
Speaker 3: in your new show, The Last Anniversary, which I loved,

957
00:48:10,125 --> 00:48:12,445
Speaker 3: by the way, so have he. Because we see all

958
00:48:12,485 --> 00:48:16,645
Speaker 3: these different versions of motherhood, we see relationships between adult

959
00:48:16,645 --> 00:48:19,405
Speaker 3: mother and daughters. The first episode, you see a woman

960
00:48:19,405 --> 00:48:21,725
Speaker 3: become a mother in sort of in a moment where

961
00:48:21,725 --> 00:48:24,045
Speaker 3: the pregnancy comes very early and you see her sort

962
00:48:24,045 --> 00:48:26,245
Speaker 3: of struggling to bond with the baby. And then your

963
00:48:26,325 --> 00:48:28,485
Speaker 3: character Sophie, which I'm going to say that's one of

964
00:48:28,525 --> 00:48:31,325
Speaker 3: the most realistic portrayals I've seen of a woman who's

965
00:48:31,725 --> 00:48:34,645
Speaker 3: dating but also aware. Like that moment your character stands

966
00:48:34,685 --> 00:48:36,485
Speaker 3: in front of the mirror and goes, you're thirty nine,

967
00:48:36,605 --> 00:48:38,885
Speaker 3: just give him another chance, and then you see she's

968
00:48:38,965 --> 00:48:42,125
Speaker 3: going through a freezing her eggs process and wanting to

969
00:48:42,165 --> 00:48:45,085
Speaker 3: become a mother so badly. Is that something that drew

970
00:48:45,125 --> 00:48:47,805
Speaker 3: you to the storyline as those threads of motherhood in

971
00:48:47,845 --> 00:48:49,125
Speaker 3: this new series.

972
00:48:49,005 --> 00:48:52,645
Speaker 1: Yes, of course I was really drawn to that. In particular,

973
00:48:53,925 --> 00:48:57,965
Speaker 1: I think the postpartum depression the way that's portrayed in

974
00:48:58,005 --> 00:49:03,205
Speaker 1: our show is so delicately woven in but very realistic.

975
00:49:04,165 --> 00:49:05,285
Speaker 4: And the kind of.

976
00:49:05,565 --> 00:49:10,405
Speaker 1: Disconnect that the character Grace has after she gives birth,

977
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:13,125
Speaker 1: I think it's such a real loss of identity and

978
00:49:13,165 --> 00:49:17,005
Speaker 1: not understanding who she is or why she should love

979
00:49:17,045 --> 00:49:19,565
Speaker 1: this baby, but knowing that she's meant to. That's meant

980
00:49:19,565 --> 00:49:23,685
Speaker 1: to come naturally to her, and because it doesn't, she

981
00:49:24,085 --> 00:49:25,245
Speaker 1: feels like a failure.

982
00:49:25,725 --> 00:49:27,765
Speaker 4: And then you see the evolution.

983
00:49:27,405 --> 00:49:30,245
Speaker 1: Of this character and how it gets worse and gets better,

984
00:49:30,285 --> 00:49:32,365
Speaker 1: and it gets worse and it gets better. And that

985
00:49:32,565 --> 00:49:37,005
Speaker 1: to me, that sort of swinging pendulum experience with postpartum depression.

986
00:49:37,845 --> 00:49:40,165
Speaker 1: I didn't experience it myself what my mom did. So

987
00:49:40,245 --> 00:49:44,405
Speaker 1: the way my mom talks about and explains it is

988
00:49:44,605 --> 00:49:46,285
Speaker 1: the good days of bad days, the good days a

989
00:49:46,285 --> 00:49:50,205
Speaker 1: bad day. So that's so well done in our show.

990
00:49:50,325 --> 00:49:55,005
Speaker 1: It feels very real and Claude Scott Mitchell is breathtaking,

991
00:49:55,245 --> 00:49:59,965
Speaker 1: incredible breath taking. Her performance is exquisite in this. And

992
00:50:00,005 --> 00:50:02,565
Speaker 1: then of course my character who's longing to be a

993
00:50:02,645 --> 00:50:06,685
Speaker 1: mother and she's seeing these dynamics of these women with

994
00:50:06,725 --> 00:50:09,565
Speaker 1: their children all around her, and it's very confronted. And

995
00:50:09,645 --> 00:50:12,725
Speaker 1: then so she sort of entertains the idea of dating

996
00:50:12,725 --> 00:50:14,245
Speaker 1: a douchebag who's not.

997
00:50:14,205 --> 00:50:14,885
Speaker 3: Treating her well.

998
00:50:15,365 --> 00:50:17,645
Speaker 1: He's the worst guy you could possibly imagine, but it's

999
00:50:17,685 --> 00:50:21,965
Speaker 1: just like you're getting old chance. Yeah, give him a chance.

1000
00:50:22,525 --> 00:50:24,885
Speaker 1: And I'm sure people can relate to that. And that's

1001
00:50:24,885 --> 00:50:28,805
Speaker 1: a special thing about our show. It's multi generational. So

1002
00:50:28,845 --> 00:50:31,645
Speaker 1: it's a family drama, but there are access points to

1003
00:50:32,245 --> 00:50:36,005
Speaker 1: everyone at all ages, at all seasons of life. There's

1004
00:50:36,045 --> 00:50:39,245
Speaker 1: someone that you can relate to, and they have this beautiful,

1005
00:50:40,045 --> 00:50:45,445
Speaker 1: imperfect dance with this their life and their their things

1006
00:50:45,445 --> 00:50:48,565
Speaker 1: that they struggle with and they're hardships and just being

1007
00:50:48,605 --> 00:50:51,605
Speaker 1: a woman and what does that mean? And I just

1008
00:50:51,685 --> 00:50:56,245
Speaker 1: think Leanne Moriarty is a genius. I mean we all know.

1009
00:50:56,325 --> 00:50:58,085
Speaker 4: This, We've read her books.

1010
00:50:58,525 --> 00:51:02,325
Speaker 1: She's got this beautiful recipe and she knows how to

1011
00:51:02,685 --> 00:51:05,885
Speaker 1: weave in real stories, meaningful stories. But then at the

1012
00:51:05,925 --> 00:51:10,805
Speaker 1: heart of it, there's the underpinning. Is this twists, this mystery,

1013
00:51:10,845 --> 00:51:16,005
Speaker 1: this secret lies, And it's really well done and I

1014
00:51:16,045 --> 00:51:17,845
Speaker 1: think it's going to captivate audiences.

1015
00:51:18,125 --> 00:51:20,765
Speaker 3: I definitely think that as well. Oh Treesa, thank you

1016
00:51:20,805 --> 00:51:22,845
Speaker 3: so much for again being so open here and in

1017
00:51:22,885 --> 00:51:24,525
Speaker 3: your life. And I can't wait to see the rest

1018
00:51:24,565 --> 00:51:27,005
Speaker 3: of the show. It's just incredible. Thank you, Thank you

1019
00:51:27,085 --> 00:51:27,525
Speaker 3: so much.

1020
00:51:27,565 --> 00:51:28,685
Speaker 4: This is wonderful.

1021
00:51:32,405 --> 00:51:34,845
Speaker 3: So I was lucky enough to attend the premiere of

1022
00:51:34,885 --> 00:51:38,365
Speaker 3: the Last Anniversary and it really is such an incredible show.

1023
00:51:38,445 --> 00:51:40,445
Speaker 3: I have just been loving the new episodes that are

1024
00:51:40,485 --> 00:51:43,965
Speaker 3: dropping weekly on bind and Theresa Palmer's performance in it

1025
00:51:44,045 --> 00:51:46,605
Speaker 3: is just incredible. So if you want to know more,

1026
00:51:46,645 --> 00:51:48,645
Speaker 3: we have put all the links in our show notes.

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Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Niama Brown, Senior

1028
00:51:53,085 --> 00:51:56,845
Speaker 3: producer is Grace Rufray, sound design is Jacob Brown, and

1029
00:51:56,925 --> 00:51:59,485
Speaker 3: I'm Laura Brodnick. It's been a pleasure to be your

1030
00:51:59,525 --> 00:52:02,645
Speaker 3: No Filter guest host today. Kate Langroup will be backing

1031
00:52:02,645 --> 00:52:05,605
Speaker 3: your ears on Monday with another captivating No Filter story.

1032
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Speaker 1: Bye. No