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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Brodnick and I'm Kissmie lu Kitch And coming up on

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Speaker 1: the show today, Hilary Duff has released her first new

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Speaker 1: music in ten years, So we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about the reaction to that, the famous ex that her

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Speaker 1: of that. Plus she's also given a new interview saying

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Speaker 1: that she's finally ready to speak about something that happened

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Speaker 1: within her family and oh my gosh, do we have

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Speaker 1: a deep dive on that to back up that statement.

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Speaker 1: So strap in for that. There's so much to come,

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Speaker 1: But first.

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Speaker 3: It's a Laura Brodnick history lesson. But before we get

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Speaker 3: into that, we are going to be talking about Big Brother.

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Speaker 2: So the brand new season of Big Brother Australia launched

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Speaker 2: this past Sunday and we have a very special guest

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Speaker 2: in studio today, our wonderful producer who was actually flown

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Speaker 2: up to dream World to take a tour of the

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Speaker 2: Big Brother House.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was really exciting.

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Speaker 5: We got a little sneak pig so at dream World,

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Speaker 5: which is the original location of Big Brother, but it's

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Speaker 5: this newly designed house with a completely the.

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Speaker 1: Last one burned down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently it was getting quite like swampy and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Even before that, it was a little.

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Speaker 1: Vandalized that I watched if they put the new contestants

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Speaker 1: into the swamp house, like the run down house like

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Speaker 1: dream World, and you've got to live in the green pool.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what I watched.

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Speaker 5: The photos are pretty tragic. But now, so the house

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Speaker 5: is huge. I will just say like I got in

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Speaker 5: it was pretty hard to get through it all because

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Speaker 3: Does it feel more like a set house or does

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Speaker 4: This has been a common criticism of it.

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Speaker 5: I saw everyone online when the show started being like,

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Speaker 1: Well, back in the old days, it did feel more

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Speaker 5: There's no roof, so there's just sort of like insulation.

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Speaker 5: It's not like a proper roof. There's a whole like

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Speaker 5: like you feel like you're there for you go in.

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Speaker 2: But that to me, because the whole magic of Big

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Speaker 2: Brother originally was it was those hidden cameras. You kind

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Speaker 2: of forget that the cameras are there, which is why

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Speaker 2: you see those real moments.

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Speaker 5: But if you're very aware, yeah, well the cameras are

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Speaker 5: pretty obvious now so you can see them all around.

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Speaker 5: There's sixty two cameras throughout the house, in the bathroom, everywhere, on.

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Speaker 4: The toilet, yeah, even in the toilet.

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Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to have cameras, but there.

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Speaker 5: Are cameras in the bathroom, and I'm pretty sure you

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Speaker 5: can see into the toilet. But I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 3: I don't need to see people poopin I don't.

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Speaker 4: Reckon those cameras.

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Speaker 1: Get a lot of few.

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Speaker 4: I think it'll just be like the head.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's just in there to stop people from going

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Speaker 1: in and having secret moments in there and then play.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to the footage. But if you go

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Speaker 2: Eric, I don't want anybody having access to terabytes of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's not my dream either. But I do

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Speaker 5: One thing that did concern me was the showers have

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Speaker 5: this little like bit of frosted glass, which is I

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Speaker 4: I can see through that, Like yeah, you're very.

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Speaker 4: But gorgeous house. I would love to live there.

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Speaker 5: There were some cute fish. So it's all single beds

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Speaker 3: At like, oh, that's like the Love Island bedroom.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it actually reminded me a lot of the Love

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Speaker 5: Island Bedroom. So, I mean, this is Big Brother's big

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Speaker 5: return to Network ten. So it began on Network ten

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Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, they tried to revive the show.

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Speaker 5: I think they did about four seasons and the last

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Speaker 5: of the show. And they're trying to make it very

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because the original Big Brother actually

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Speaker 2: that we still love today. I mean, we've got Fitzy

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Speaker 3: Brother, Chrissy Swan was on Big Brother. Sarah Marie, who

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Speaker 2: I mean she's really in public anymore, but she was

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Speaker 2: like such an iconic person of the Big Brother universe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting they stripped it back to the

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Speaker 1: liking The Golden Bachelor because it's a return to like

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Speaker 1: old school romance, Like we just want to return to

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Speaker 1: old school Big Brother. So it'd be kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: how that unfold. Since you're in the house and you

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Speaker 1: got to like look around all little nooks and crannies

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Speaker 1: and see different things. Is there anything about the house

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's interesting. There was this little landline phone that

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Speaker 1: Me, but I feel like it's a dial tone or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was like, is Big Brother gon to ring them?

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Speaker 4: But I haven't seen them.

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Speaker 5: Use it in the show yet unless I've missed it.

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Speaker 5: So I'm kind of curious to see if the phone

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Speaker 1: Or guys, look out for the phone if you're watching.

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Speaker 3: What do the pantries look like? The food pantries?

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Speaker 4: The kitchen's amazing, like so much storage.

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Speaker 5: I was like, well, I wonder how often that gets

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Speaker 5: restocked and they just go in and it's there for

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Speaker 5: the amount of time they're going to be in the

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Speaker 5: house a memory.

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Speaker 3: They used to like get things taken away.

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Speaker 1: They get rations if they didn't do the weekly task,

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Speaker 3: They like don't give them coffee or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And then if they won, like the task during the week,

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Speaker 5: So in the first episode they found out that they

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Speaker 1: Go into that I'd be out. I'd be out already.

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Speaker 1: I can't do this show, no way, No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I freak out if my luggae doesn't get delivered on

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Speaker 5: So they didn't get their luggae, so they just had

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Speaker 5: if you like win a challenger, if you get special

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Speaker 1: I would be jumping over other people's lifeless bodies to

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Speaker 2: I don't know why everything's go to the toilet for

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Speaker 1: One that is the correct amount. And just also not

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Speaker 2: Make up, we should probably ask about the contestants, like,

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Speaker 2: are there any standouts that you really like so far?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a couple.

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Speaker 5: So apparently over twenty thousand people applied to be on

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Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe it's not more. I know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it is such an iconic reboot. So

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Speaker 5: there's a few I really like. There's a guy called Connor.

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Speaker 5: how he went into the house and explained, you know,

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Speaker 5: I will say funny things and you can laugh at those,

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Speaker 5: but don't laugh at me, laugh with me.

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Speaker 4: Like the way he explained all that was really nice.

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Speaker 5: He's really cemented himself as a bit of a team player,

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Speaker 5: like he's already cooked dinner for the whole house.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be very for your team player,

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Speaker 1: not me personally, but others.

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Speaker 4: Other queen as a general rule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's a girl called Mia. She is really cute.

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Speaker 5: She's four elevenches, a little pocket rocket. She's a bit

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Speaker 5: of a firecracker. I think she will get in some

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Speaker 5: you know, little tips here and there. She's already got

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, girl, oh my.

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Speaker 2: I don't want this to sound like I'm criticizing her,

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Speaker 2: I think Lizzie maguire is such an integral part of

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Speaker 1: So she's got Luke now, which her is her teenage

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Speaker 2: Cool I think Towns is kind of cute. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: This is very la You can hire people, I give

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Speaker 1: I also think sometimes you have to have to give

434
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Speaker 1: people context.

435
00:16:44,984 --> 00:16:45,944
Speaker 3: What does Laura mean?

436
00:16:46,264 --> 00:16:49,144
Speaker 1: Laura means crowned with laurel. So it's like a throwback

437
00:16:49,184 --> 00:16:51,584
Speaker 1: to like old grease and games and stuff of someone

438
00:16:51,624 --> 00:16:53,584
Speaker 1: being crowned with laurel. But it's a derivative I think

439
00:16:53,624 --> 00:16:55,864
Speaker 1: of Lawrence, so it's actually not its own name. Actually

440
00:16:55,904 --> 00:16:57,264
Speaker 1: don't know what cassenya means, but I could look that

441
00:16:57,384 --> 00:16:59,024
Speaker 1: for you. It also freaks me out and people like,

442
00:16:59,024 --> 00:17:00,464
Speaker 1: I don't know what my own name means or what

443
00:17:00,464 --> 00:17:03,024
Speaker 1: my child's name means, because I think you didn't take

444
00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:03,984
Speaker 1: five seconds to look better.

445
00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:04,264
Speaker 3: I know.

446
00:17:04,344 --> 00:17:09,864
Speaker 2: So comes from the Greek word xenya x nia. Xena

447
00:17:09,984 --> 00:17:13,344
Speaker 2: is like hospitable. So if you think about the word cenophobia, yeah,

448
00:17:13,584 --> 00:17:17,464
Speaker 2: fear of other the other. Yeah, so xenia is like hospitality. Oh,

449
00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:20,224
Speaker 2: the opposite of being a zenifer. I'm not I'm so

450
00:17:20,264 --> 00:17:22,384
Speaker 2: glad you went the other way. No, no, no, no, but

451
00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:24,904
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's the great origin of the name.

452
00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:29,544
Speaker 2: And then if you think about xeno x phobia, so

453
00:17:29,664 --> 00:17:33,784
Speaker 2: xeno is like stranger phobia, being fear of fear of stranger.

454
00:17:33,944 --> 00:17:36,384
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the office, Okay, great, we'll have a quick

455
00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:38,664
Speaker 1: pause where everyone listening looks up their own name. If

456
00:17:38,704 --> 00:17:40,664
Speaker 1: you need to go and make a changing your name

457
00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:44,784
Speaker 1: or change your baby's name, now would be the time. Yeah. Anyway, Hillary, Hillary.

458
00:17:44,864 --> 00:17:48,024
Speaker 3: Hillary, does I love it? I like that. I think

459
00:17:48,024 --> 00:17:48,504
Speaker 3: it's interesting.

460
00:17:48,504 --> 00:17:50,104
Speaker 1: I think that she would love that segway because she's

461
00:17:50,064 --> 00:17:51,864
Speaker 1: obviously put a lot of thought to her children's names.

462
00:17:52,304 --> 00:17:55,424
Speaker 1: So Mature came out, and Hilary Duff, when she was

463
00:17:55,544 --> 00:17:57,744
Speaker 1: sort of doing all of the press tours leading up

464
00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:00,984
Speaker 1: to it, said that it's very much a song about

465
00:18:01,344 --> 00:18:04,344
Speaker 1: her older self now in her late thirties and a

466
00:18:04,384 --> 00:18:06,144
Speaker 1: mom of four and you know, with a divorce and

467
00:18:06,144 --> 00:18:08,264
Speaker 1: everything behind her, this big career that she's had. It's

468
00:18:08,264 --> 00:18:11,384
Speaker 1: about her more mature self talking to her younger self

469
00:18:11,384 --> 00:18:13,544
Speaker 1: and what that conversation would be. And when you listen

470
00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:15,184
Speaker 1: to the song, you really do pick that up. But

471
00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:17,784
Speaker 1: I think there's a different undercurrent here because there's some

472
00:18:17,944 --> 00:18:20,864
Speaker 1: very interesting lyrics. One lyric that she repeats a lot

473
00:18:20,984 --> 00:18:23,424
Speaker 1: is this idea of and you kind of take away

474
00:18:23,424 --> 00:18:25,184
Speaker 1: from it that's like old men saying to her, you're

475
00:18:25,224 --> 00:18:26,504
Speaker 1: so mature for your age.

476
00:18:26,904 --> 00:18:29,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, gross, that's a classic girl.

477
00:18:29,184 --> 00:18:32,504
Speaker 1: And this other lyric of like she could be your daughter,

478
00:18:32,544 --> 00:18:35,144
Speaker 1: And people think it's kind of alluding to either men

479
00:18:35,184 --> 00:18:37,184
Speaker 1: in the industry who were older kind of treating her

480
00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:39,504
Speaker 1: and appropriately or hitting on her and doing so by

481
00:18:39,544 --> 00:18:41,544
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, but you're so mature for your age.

482
00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:44,704
Speaker 1: Or it's alluding to the an age gap relationship. And

483
00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:48,224
Speaker 1: famously she did have a very very prominent age gap

484
00:18:48,264 --> 00:18:52,384
Speaker 1: relationship in the early two thousands with Joel Madden. Remember

485
00:18:52,384 --> 00:18:54,064
Speaker 1: how he was in Good Charlotte and he was the

486
00:18:54,144 --> 00:18:56,984
Speaker 1: rocker bad boy with all the tattoos, and she was

487
00:18:57,024 --> 00:18:59,784
Speaker 1: like the beautiful young Disney stylet. And when they got together,

488
00:18:59,864 --> 00:19:02,304
Speaker 1: it was very Romeo and Juliet, and everyone was obsessed

489
00:19:02,344 --> 00:19:04,544
Speaker 1: with them, except for the fact that at the time

490
00:19:04,544 --> 00:19:07,544
Speaker 1: of their romance, which lasted I think a couple of years,

491
00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:10,864
Speaker 1: Joe Madden was twenty five years old and Larry Duff

492
00:19:10,904 --> 00:19:12,664
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old. Do you remember that.

493
00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:16,424
Speaker 2: I remember that they dated. I don't remember them being

494
00:19:16,624 --> 00:19:17,344
Speaker 2: so fair.

495
00:19:17,584 --> 00:19:18,104
Speaker 3: I don't think.

496
00:19:18,024 --> 00:19:19,864
Speaker 1: Anyone really put it together. I don't know.

497
00:19:19,864 --> 00:19:21,664
Speaker 3: I think I definitely didn't clock that.

498
00:19:21,904 --> 00:19:24,024
Speaker 1: I didn't really either. I just remember thinking and seeing

499
00:19:24,064 --> 00:19:26,424
Speaker 1: their relationship player and tableauis and seeing them on bread

500
00:19:26,464 --> 00:19:28,824
Speaker 1: carpets together. I just remember thinking it was so cute

501
00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:31,104
Speaker 1: because they were this opposite of train when they seem

502
00:19:31,184 --> 00:19:31,744
Speaker 1: so in love.

503
00:19:31,824 --> 00:19:34,824
Speaker 2: It's so weird because I remember the relationship really clearly,

504
00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:37,024
Speaker 2: and I had the same response as you, Oh, that's

505
00:19:37,064 --> 00:19:38,304
Speaker 2: really cute.

506
00:19:38,064 --> 00:19:39,704
Speaker 3: But now looking back on it, probably.

507
00:19:39,504 --> 00:19:41,384
Speaker 2: Because we were around the same age as her, so

508
00:19:42,024 --> 00:19:44,344
Speaker 2: we probably thought, oh, she's just like really mature for

509
00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:46,304
Speaker 2: her age, because that's what you want to hear when you're.

510
00:19:46,224 --> 00:19:48,664
Speaker 1: Seven week And also he came across as really cute,

511
00:19:48,664 --> 00:19:50,864
Speaker 1: sea and sweet, and so you kind of think like, oh,

512
00:19:50,904 --> 00:19:53,344
Speaker 1: she's dating this sweet guy, whereas really she's dating like

513
00:19:53,384 --> 00:19:56,464
Speaker 1: a full grown hole in a rock band who's on

514
00:19:56,544 --> 00:19:59,224
Speaker 1: tour and stuff. And they're actually quite friendly and Matthew

515
00:19:59,224 --> 00:20:02,104
Speaker 1: Cromer sometimes posts pictures of dolls and doll Madden. Hillary

516
00:20:02,144 --> 00:20:04,504
Speaker 1: Duff is like friendly with his wife Nicole Ritchie, like

517
00:20:04,544 --> 00:20:05,984
Speaker 1: they seem to be on really good term.

518
00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:08,984
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Kylie Jenna Tiger thing. Yeah,

519
00:20:09,184 --> 00:20:12,144
Speaker 2: Like Tiger performed at her birthday. It's sixteenth birthday. It's

520
00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:14,544
Speaker 2: so weird he performed, and then they're like, we're going

521
00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:17,624
Speaker 2: out clubbing together. He was twenty five or whatever and

522
00:20:17,704 --> 00:20:19,064
Speaker 2: she was not even twenty one.

523
00:20:19,144 --> 00:20:20,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that whole thing, And like when people were

524
00:20:20,584 --> 00:20:22,784
Speaker 1: saying that, like, oh, yeah, she and Tiger just friends,

525
00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:25,064
Speaker 1: just friends in the moment she turned eighteen, Like they

526
00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:27,904
Speaker 1: walked out of her birthday party together and were fully dating.

527
00:20:27,944 --> 00:20:30,144
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a full thing. And it's interesting because

528
00:20:30,224 --> 00:20:32,464
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff has been asked many times over the years

529
00:20:32,544 --> 00:20:35,624
Speaker 1: about that old man in relationship and if she feels

530
00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:37,944
Speaker 1: like she was taken advantage of and if she feels

531
00:20:37,944 --> 00:20:41,064
Speaker 1: strange about it now, particularly as now she's older and

532
00:20:41,104 --> 00:20:42,864
Speaker 1: she has daughters, and I think that she has been

533
00:20:42,864 --> 00:20:44,544
Speaker 1: asked like would you let your sixteen year old dated

534
00:20:44,624 --> 00:20:47,144
Speaker 1: twenty five year old, And she's always been really staunched

535
00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:49,584
Speaker 1: in the reply that he was lovely to her, he

536
00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:51,824
Speaker 1: treated her really well, they had a great relationship, and

537
00:20:51,824 --> 00:20:54,344
Speaker 1: she doesn't really say anything wrong with it, So that's

538
00:20:54,384 --> 00:20:56,224
Speaker 1: always been the line. Then, as you kind of listen

539
00:20:56,224 --> 00:20:57,824
Speaker 1: to this song, like, I don't think it's like a

540
00:20:57,944 --> 00:20:59,784
Speaker 1: dis track about job Matt and anything like that. I

541
00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:01,624
Speaker 1: think it's maybe just her looking back and kind of

542
00:21:01,664 --> 00:21:04,424
Speaker 1: realizing that she was a child this very adult world

543
00:21:04,464 --> 00:21:06,864
Speaker 1: and she was being treated in a weird way like

544
00:21:06,904 --> 00:21:08,824
Speaker 1: an adult by all this men in the industry and

545
00:21:09,064 --> 00:21:12,744
Speaker 1: also in this very very adult relationship when she was

546
00:21:12,824 --> 00:21:15,264
Speaker 1: literally a child, and kind of looking back on that time.

547
00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,704
Speaker 3: I think a lot of women would have that experience.

548
00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,224
Speaker 2: As you go into your thirties, particular US millennials, you

549
00:21:20,304 --> 00:21:22,944
Speaker 2: look back at, you know, your earlier years, and you

550
00:21:22,944 --> 00:21:24,624
Speaker 2: think about some of the things you've done, or like

551
00:21:24,864 --> 00:21:26,944
Speaker 2: maybe these situations you put yourself in there and you're like,

552
00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:30,624
Speaker 2: oh my god, I cannot believe I did that, Like like.

553
00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:31,984
Speaker 3: Drinking in a field somewhere.

554
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:33,744
Speaker 1: But I think drinking in a field is a bit

555
00:21:33,904 --> 00:21:36,424
Speaker 1: more of a teenage thing. Or if you're from North Queensland,

556
00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,904
Speaker 1: drinking on a jellyfish infested beach.

557
00:21:38,824 --> 00:21:39,984
Speaker 3: And killing toads.

558
00:21:40,264 --> 00:21:42,424
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did that too, But I think that

559
00:21:42,584 --> 00:21:44,624
Speaker 1: stuff is a little bit normal, and like passioning a

560
00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:47,504
Speaker 1: guy after you've both had like three Rodka cruises or whatever.

561
00:21:47,544 --> 00:21:51,704
Speaker 1: I think like Lemon Ruski is yeah, oh interesting, yeah, different, different,

562
00:21:52,224 --> 00:21:56,064
Speaker 1: double black Yeah, oh my god. Yes, don't underage drink anyone. Yeah,

563
00:21:56,104 --> 00:21:58,104
Speaker 1: but yeah, if your bag was rattling on the way

564
00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,544
Speaker 1: to a sleepover, that's where you were going. But I

565
00:21:59,584 --> 00:22:02,184
Speaker 1: think that's a more high school experience than like dating

566
00:22:02,224 --> 00:22:05,104
Speaker 1: an adult man on his worldwide tour while you're both

567
00:22:05,144 --> 00:22:08,144
Speaker 1: being chased by the paparazzi as a whole different situation.

568
00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:10,184
Speaker 2: What's interesting to me with this is because of the

569
00:22:10,464 --> 00:22:12,704
Speaker 2: that Hollywood is it is a very adult industry, and

570
00:22:12,744 --> 00:22:14,704
Speaker 2: it's the same with the modeling industry. You find that

571
00:22:14,784 --> 00:22:17,384
Speaker 2: a lot of these girls that are starting really really

572
00:22:17,424 --> 00:22:22,064
Speaker 2: young and modeling will be around a lot more mature environments,

573
00:22:22,264 --> 00:22:24,184
Speaker 2: and they have to grow up really fast because you're

574
00:22:24,184 --> 00:22:26,544
Speaker 2: in an environment full of adults. So if you think

575
00:22:26,544 --> 00:22:29,264
Speaker 2: about like even like Kate Moss when she's started thirteen

576
00:22:29,344 --> 00:22:33,384
Speaker 2: or fourteen, she's thrust into a world where she's basically

577
00:22:33,464 --> 00:22:36,864
Speaker 2: posing nude as a very young teenager. Hillary Duff is

578
00:22:37,024 --> 00:22:39,824
Speaker 2: this massive Disney stuff. She's in Hollywood. She is having

579
00:22:39,864 --> 00:22:41,264
Speaker 2: access to whatever she wants.

580
00:22:41,304 --> 00:22:44,264
Speaker 3: If she wanted to go drinking and do drugs or

581
00:22:44,304 --> 00:22:46,344
Speaker 3: whatever in La she would have been able to do

582
00:22:46,384 --> 00:22:47,864
Speaker 3: that very very early.

583
00:22:48,104 --> 00:22:50,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I think that's the interesting stuff that

584
00:22:50,264 --> 00:22:52,104
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff is alluding to in this song, is like

585
00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:54,144
Speaker 1: that idea of all these people telling her you're so

586
00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:56,104
Speaker 1: mature of your age, and that kind of being the

587
00:22:56,184 --> 00:23:00,104
Speaker 1: thing like when you're a teenager, particularly like a young girl,

588
00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:02,144
Speaker 1: the one thing you really want is to be seen

589
00:23:02,184 --> 00:23:04,824
Speaker 1: as adult and seen as worldly and seen as worthy.

590
00:23:04,864 --> 00:23:06,864
Speaker 1: In that way, it kind of reminds me of like

591
00:23:06,904 --> 00:23:09,344
Speaker 1: Emily Rada Cawski is saying that when she was like

592
00:23:09,384 --> 00:23:11,624
Speaker 1: starting out in modeling, she said yes to a lot

593
00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:14,544
Speaker 1: of things she was super uncomfortable with, like posing nude,

594
00:23:14,704 --> 00:23:17,824
Speaker 1: going to like photographers of houses by herself as a teenager. Yeah,

595
00:23:17,864 --> 00:23:20,464
Speaker 1: all that sort of crazy stuff, and like accepting wine

596
00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:22,344
Speaker 1: while she was working, and all this sort of stuff,

597
00:23:22,584 --> 00:23:24,424
Speaker 1: even though she was a little uncomfortable with, like the

598
00:23:24,464 --> 00:23:26,464
Speaker 1: nudity and getting it drunk and being in a man's

599
00:23:26,504 --> 00:23:28,664
Speaker 1: house she didn't know, but she wanted to appear really

600
00:23:28,704 --> 00:23:31,544
Speaker 1: adult and worldly, and she thought that's how you did

601
00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:33,704
Speaker 1: it was saying yes to everything and being like, I'm cool,

602
00:23:33,704 --> 00:23:35,824
Speaker 1: this is fine, I don't care about nudity. And I

603
00:23:35,824 --> 00:23:38,024
Speaker 1: think like, even though Hillary Duff hasn't said that much

604
00:23:38,064 --> 00:23:39,984
Speaker 1: about it, this is the first time I've sort of

605
00:23:40,024 --> 00:23:42,544
Speaker 1: seen her really use her art to talk about what

606
00:23:42,584 --> 00:23:44,944
Speaker 1: she went through as a teenager. That's not because she's

607
00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:47,744
Speaker 1: usually very positive about it, which I think is interesting.

608
00:23:48,304 --> 00:23:51,184
Speaker 3: It's definitely interesting because she is kind of one of

609
00:23:51,184 --> 00:23:55,624
Speaker 3: the those child stars that did seemingly come out unscathed.

610
00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:56,144
Speaker 1: Yeah.

611
00:23:56,384 --> 00:23:57,224
Speaker 3: Hillary Duff has.

612
00:23:57,184 --> 00:24:02,184
Speaker 2: Always really been able to maintain her positive image. I

613
00:24:02,224 --> 00:24:06,064
Speaker 2: don't remember a time where she was going through the.

614
00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:07,704
Speaker 3: Lindsay Lohan of it all.

615
00:24:07,984 --> 00:24:10,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't like you know, party times, but she

616
00:24:10,464 --> 00:24:11,824
Speaker 2: was always very wholesome.

617
00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:14,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of maintained that she didn't have that

618
00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:18,904
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Lindsay Lahman, Nicole Ritchie, Paris Hilton, Like a

619
00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:21,224
Speaker 1: lot of those girls went to jail or different things

620
00:24:21,264 --> 00:24:23,424
Speaker 1: happened to them as kind of like a result of

621
00:24:23,424 --> 00:24:25,704
Speaker 1: their fame and alsosly you know, their own lifestyles and stuff.

622
00:24:25,784 --> 00:24:27,744
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, Hillary Duff went very much the

623
00:24:27,784 --> 00:24:29,984
Speaker 1: other way, where she'd like work twenty four seven, would

624
00:24:30,024 --> 00:24:32,704
Speaker 1: release an album, to release an album, make a movie,

625
00:24:33,064 --> 00:24:36,104
Speaker 1: and then got married quite young and had a child

626
00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:37,984
Speaker 1: quite young, I guess, not quite young, but like early

627
00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:40,184
Speaker 1: twenties is kind of, you know, younger than a lot

628
00:24:40,224 --> 00:24:42,624
Speaker 1: of her peers did in that way. And it's almost

629
00:24:42,704 --> 00:24:44,584
Speaker 1: like she was trying to sort of, you know how

630
00:24:44,624 --> 00:24:47,344
Speaker 1: like child stars often, like really like Millie Bobby Brownstone

631
00:24:47,384 --> 00:24:49,744
Speaker 1: now from a strange thing, they sometimes have lived such

632
00:24:49,784 --> 00:24:51,664
Speaker 1: a huge life by the time they're in the early

633
00:24:51,704 --> 00:24:54,504
Speaker 1: twenties that they're ready for the next stage already because

634
00:24:54,504 --> 00:24:57,024
Speaker 1: they've been working for twenty years, so they feel like

635
00:24:57,024 --> 00:25:00,064
Speaker 1: they're in their late thirties at twenty because of just

636
00:25:00,064 --> 00:25:02,264
Speaker 1: how their lives have gone. It's like Hillary Duff had

637
00:25:02,264 --> 00:25:04,544
Speaker 1: that then she kind of decided then she wasn't in

638
00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:06,264
Speaker 1: love with a husband anymore, and they broke up, and

639
00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,424
Speaker 1: then she got this hit TV show and married this

640
00:25:08,464 --> 00:25:10,064
Speaker 1: other guy and had more kids with him, and now

641
00:25:10,064 --> 00:25:12,744
Speaker 1: she's kind of like ready to tell this full story.

642
00:25:14,504 --> 00:25:17,704
Speaker 3: There is another hidden piece that people seem to be

643
00:25:17,744 --> 00:25:19,824
Speaker 3: pulling out for this particular Rolling Stone.

644
00:25:20,304 --> 00:25:23,424
Speaker 1: Yes, so here's the other interesting thing that's come out.

645
00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:26,104
Speaker 1: So in the lead up to this, Hillary Duff has

646
00:25:26,104 --> 00:25:28,064
Speaker 1: been doing quite a bit of press. She's been doing

647
00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:31,064
Speaker 1: some TV interviews, some podcasts, and an interview with Rolling

648
00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:34,344
Speaker 1: Stone about where her new music is going. And in

649
00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:36,784
Speaker 1: this interview with Rolling Stone, she said she finally feels

650
00:25:36,824 --> 00:25:39,104
Speaker 1: ready to fill in the blanks and share with people

651
00:25:39,384 --> 00:25:41,744
Speaker 1: and connect with them on a level about what her

652
00:25:41,784 --> 00:25:44,304
Speaker 1: life has been like. Ye And in this interview, she

653
00:25:44,344 --> 00:25:46,544
Speaker 1: said that she and her fans have gone through a

654
00:25:46,584 --> 00:25:48,944
Speaker 1: lot of the same things in their lives, whether it's

655
00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:53,544
Speaker 1: complicated relationships, anxiety, raising kids, divorces, trying to find yourself

656
00:25:53,544 --> 00:25:57,104
Speaker 1: in adulthood, or family drama. Now family drama is what

657
00:25:57,144 --> 00:26:00,184
Speaker 1: most people have really sent it in on, because it's

658
00:26:00,224 --> 00:26:02,744
Speaker 1: been this unspoken thing for a very very long time

659
00:26:03,264 --> 00:26:07,104
Speaker 1: that there is some very very intense, very high profile

660
00:26:07,184 --> 00:26:11,744
Speaker 1: family drama in the Duff family, and it's between Hillary

661
00:26:11,824 --> 00:26:13,904
Speaker 1: Duff and her sister, Hailey Duff.

662
00:26:14,064 --> 00:26:17,904
Speaker 2: So if you don't remember Hailey Duff and Hillary Doff,

663
00:26:18,104 --> 00:26:20,624
Speaker 2: obviously Hillary was the more famous one, but Hailey and

664
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:24,504
Speaker 2: Hillary did a lot of work together in the early

665
00:26:24,544 --> 00:26:25,344
Speaker 2: two thousands.

666
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:26,344
Speaker 3: They did that.

667
00:26:26,584 --> 00:26:30,664
Speaker 2: Wonderful, wonderful seminal Classic Material Girls in two thousand and six,

668
00:26:31,184 --> 00:26:32,744
Speaker 2: a little bit of a wrong coom between the two

669
00:26:32,784 --> 00:26:34,824
Speaker 2: of them. It was a bit of a sense and sensibility.

670
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,024
Speaker 1: I did not pick up time I ever write didn't either.

671
00:26:37,064 --> 00:26:38,704
Speaker 3: It's only because I read the IMDb.

672
00:26:38,824 --> 00:26:41,464
Speaker 1: It was a thing at the time for really classic

673
00:26:41,584 --> 00:26:45,224
Speaker 1: either Jane Austen novels or Shakespeare stories. Did she adapted

674
00:26:45,384 --> 00:26:48,104
Speaker 1: into like yeah, ten Things I Hate about You? There's yeah,

675
00:26:48,104 --> 00:26:52,304
Speaker 1: there's so many to be adapted into modern remakes with teenagers.

676
00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:53,944
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Material Girls, I know they

677
00:26:53,944 --> 00:26:56,184
Speaker 1: say it's based on sense and sensibility, but it's not

678
00:26:56,264 --> 00:26:58,304
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. So in it they play sisters

679
00:26:58,344 --> 00:27:02,864
Speaker 1: who were heiresses and makeup fortunes. Yeah yeah classic and

680
00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:05,544
Speaker 1: there Yeah. They live this beautiful material girl life. They

681
00:27:05,544 --> 00:27:08,504
Speaker 1: have everything they want and then their father dies are

682
00:27:08,504 --> 00:27:10,344
Speaker 1: being raised by their housekeep. But I've seen this movie

683
00:27:10,424 --> 00:27:11,824
Speaker 1: once and it was when it came out to me,

684
00:27:13,624 --> 00:27:16,584
Speaker 1: took my little sister to see it. I didn't watch it,

685
00:27:16,664 --> 00:27:19,704
Speaker 1: Oh you did, Okay, well I'm about to tell you so.

686
00:27:19,944 --> 00:27:22,864
Speaker 1: And they didn't spoiler alive and their dad died and

687
00:27:22,904 --> 00:27:25,184
Speaker 1: then there was all their money and then they have

688
00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,424
Speaker 1: to like go on this sort of trek too, and

689
00:27:27,464 --> 00:27:29,464
Speaker 1: their old housekeeper takes them in and then like there's

690
00:27:29,624 --> 00:27:31,464
Speaker 1: a tape that will prove that their dad didn't do

691
00:27:31,504 --> 00:27:33,024
Speaker 1: it so they can get their money back. But on

692
00:27:33,064 --> 00:27:34,624
Speaker 1: that they had to try and like they're like, you know,

693
00:27:34,624 --> 00:27:37,224
Speaker 1: the whole fish out of water, Like rich girls get jobs.

694
00:27:37,424 --> 00:27:38,664
Speaker 1: I think one of them falls in love with the

695
00:27:38,704 --> 00:27:40,784
Speaker 1: poor boy and he's like, it's okay to date someone poor,

696
00:27:40,824 --> 00:27:43,584
Speaker 1: like it's And also then they released that song to

697
00:27:43,624 --> 00:27:45,824
Speaker 1: go with it all. It's the Sealed So Hillary was

698
00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:48,544
Speaker 1: kind of like, as we've previously discussed off the back

699
00:27:48,544 --> 00:27:51,384
Speaker 1: of Intel provided by Malcolm in the Middle star Frankie Munez.

700
00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:55,784
Speaker 1: Hillary's mum was very much the driving force behind her career,

701
00:27:55,824 --> 00:27:58,064
Speaker 1: and she kind of took Hillary away off to Hollywood

702
00:27:58,104 --> 00:28:00,744
Speaker 1: and made her this big child style of Lizzie mcguian everything.

703
00:28:00,904 --> 00:28:03,304
Speaker 1: And Haley, her sister, who's a few years older than her,

704
00:28:03,424 --> 00:28:06,064
Speaker 1: was kind of the Knicks, but never really until they

705
00:28:06,104 --> 00:28:08,184
Speaker 1: both got to be a bit older and they started

706
00:28:08,184 --> 00:28:10,904
Speaker 1: bringing Haley into Hillary's projects.

707
00:28:10,984 --> 00:28:13,624
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did this mint commercial as well together.

708
00:28:14,104 --> 00:28:16,704
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they did so many. They they did sponsorships together,

709
00:28:16,704 --> 00:28:21,184
Speaker 1: they did commercials together, they toured together. Hailey actually confirmed,

710
00:28:21,304 --> 00:28:23,144
Speaker 1: I think only a few years ago, that she did

711
00:28:23,144 --> 00:28:26,744
Speaker 1: provide the singing vocals for Isabella in the Lizzie McGuire movie.

712
00:28:26,944 --> 00:28:29,424
Speaker 1: They came out in two thousand and three Huge.

713
00:28:29,304 --> 00:28:31,624
Speaker 2: So, which is quite funny because the whole point of

714
00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:36,024
Speaker 2: that movie is that Paolo is not using the audio.

715
00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:37,744
Speaker 1: Said, what are you gonna say right now? You're gonna

716
00:28:37,744 --> 00:28:38,384
Speaker 1: make an allegation.

717
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:40,784
Speaker 2: No, But it's funny because like if she's saying that,

718
00:28:41,304 --> 00:28:43,184
Speaker 2: if Hillary was saying it wasn't her vocals.

719
00:28:43,624 --> 00:28:47,384
Speaker 1: Yeah, so's hilarly was singing for the Lizzie maguire character.

720
00:28:47,464 --> 00:28:50,344
Speaker 1: And then Hailey was singing for the Isabella character. Why

721
00:28:50,464 --> 00:28:52,384
Speaker 1: didn't just have Hilary's voice on both.

722
00:28:52,184 --> 00:28:55,464
Speaker 3: Who could say, Yeah, that's confusing, but that is the story.

723
00:28:56,144 --> 00:28:59,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like two different voices but similar, like those

724
00:28:59,224 --> 00:29:00,144
Speaker 1: two twin people were.

725
00:29:00,664 --> 00:29:03,384
Speaker 2: That's the just funny because that's yeah, the whole movie

726
00:29:03,424 --> 00:29:05,584
Speaker 2: was because of like faking voices.

727
00:29:05,664 --> 00:29:09,264
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Isabella Isabella is Hillary. Yeah and Hillary, I'm

728
00:29:09,304 --> 00:29:09,944
Speaker 3: so confused.

729
00:29:10,224 --> 00:29:11,464
Speaker 1: You that's a bombhell for you to ponder.

730
00:29:11,624 --> 00:29:12,144
Speaker 3: A bombshell.

731
00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:14,144
Speaker 1: But also the thing that the sisters is they were

732
00:29:14,304 --> 00:29:17,304
Speaker 1: so close. They would go to all their carpets together,

733
00:29:17,304 --> 00:29:19,544
Speaker 1: they were always pictured together. They were like, you know,

734
00:29:19,664 --> 00:29:22,384
Speaker 1: each other's bridesmaids and maids of honor and all that

735
00:29:22,464 --> 00:29:24,784
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And when they both got Instagram, they

736
00:29:24,824 --> 00:29:27,464
Speaker 1: would share so much content of each other, always at

737
00:29:27,464 --> 00:29:30,224
Speaker 1: each other's houses, cooking dinner together, raising their kids together.

738
00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:33,424
Speaker 1: They were those kind of like best friend's sisters that

739
00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:36,384
Speaker 1: were very inseparable, and that was very much like how

740
00:29:36,424 --> 00:29:37,264
Speaker 1: the world knew them.

741
00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:41,384
Speaker 2: And this is probably why, really some eagle eyed social

742
00:29:41,464 --> 00:29:44,104
Speaker 2: media people have zeroed in on this and been like,

743
00:29:44,144 --> 00:29:46,224
Speaker 2: there is something going on here, because they were so

744
00:29:46,344 --> 00:29:49,784
Speaker 2: active on socials, liking each other's Instagram posts and you know,

745
00:29:49,864 --> 00:29:52,984
Speaker 2: being with family. So the rumored rift looks like it

746
00:29:53,144 --> 00:29:55,744
Speaker 2: started around twenty twenty one.

747
00:29:56,104 --> 00:29:58,944
Speaker 1: Yes, but it wasn't pointed out until twenty twenty three

748
00:29:59,504 --> 00:30:01,664
Speaker 1: with a very viral video. Do we want to just

749
00:30:01,664 --> 00:30:04,424
Speaker 1: talk about the viral video first? And they the young

750
00:30:04,464 --> 00:30:06,304
Speaker 1: man who broke the story his crime.

751
00:30:06,424 --> 00:30:08,144
Speaker 3: I want to hit him his credit too, because I

752
00:30:08,144 --> 00:30:09,064
Speaker 3: think he deserves that.

753
00:30:09,264 --> 00:30:12,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's done. He's done. And this is really

754
00:30:12,784 --> 00:30:15,184
Speaker 1: where this thing kicked off, but it hasn't really been

755
00:30:15,224 --> 00:30:17,144
Speaker 1: picked up by a lot of media outlets. It sort

756
00:30:17,144 --> 00:30:20,144
Speaker 1: of has really lived as this huge story on tiktop

757
00:30:20,184 --> 00:30:22,544
Speaker 1: and hasn't crossed over until now just sort of more

758
00:30:22,544 --> 00:30:25,024
Speaker 1: mainstream media. So it was Jordi Krayer, a TikTok star

759
00:30:25,424 --> 00:30:28,904
Speaker 1: who reported this in twenty twenty three, and actually Material

760
00:30:28,904 --> 00:30:30,944
Speaker 1: Girls is to blame for this, bringing it full circle

761
00:30:30,984 --> 00:30:33,624
Speaker 1: because he said he was watching Material Girls, a classic

762
00:30:33,944 --> 00:30:36,344
Speaker 1: which was deeply panned when it came out, but you

763
00:30:36,344 --> 00:30:37,504
Speaker 1: know it was I don't think it was for the

764
00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:39,624
Speaker 1: critics who were reviewing it. It was for the girls,

765
00:30:39,984 --> 00:30:41,464
Speaker 1: and so he was watching that he thought, h I

766
00:30:41,464 --> 00:30:44,864
Speaker 1: wonder whatever happened to Hailey Duff which brutal to Hailey

767
00:30:44,944 --> 00:30:47,504
Speaker 1: Duff because she's still in the industry. But anyway, so

768
00:30:47,504 --> 00:30:49,344
Speaker 1: he went and looked at her Instagram, was like looking

769
00:30:49,304 --> 00:30:50,824
Speaker 1: into what she was doing. And this is when he

770
00:30:50,904 --> 00:30:54,264
Speaker 1: realized that he thinks that Hillary Duff and Hailey Duff

771
00:30:54,344 --> 00:30:57,224
Speaker 1: stopped communicating in twenty twenty one, but it took over

772
00:30:57,264 --> 00:30:59,584
Speaker 1: two years for anyone to notice.

773
00:30:59,184 --> 00:31:01,744
Speaker 3: This guy's doing some serious investigative journalism work.

774
00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:04,544
Speaker 1: So he yes, exactly, obviously there was like COVID and

775
00:31:04,544 --> 00:31:06,264
Speaker 1: looked in some and stuff. I think that's why it

776
00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:09,144
Speaker 1: took people at the time shows because people weren't interacting

777
00:31:09,144 --> 00:31:11,544
Speaker 1: the same way they used to. So he noticed that

778
00:31:11,664 --> 00:31:14,864
Speaker 1: Hillary had not liked any of Haley's posts for over

779
00:31:14,984 --> 00:31:19,144
Speaker 1: two years, and they used to always immediately comment on

780
00:31:19,184 --> 00:31:21,224
Speaker 1: each other's picks and lack them straight away.

781
00:31:21,784 --> 00:31:26,464
Speaker 2: And Matthew Coma is not following Haley on Instagram, but

782
00:31:26,624 --> 00:31:28,064
Speaker 2: she's following him.

783
00:31:28,464 --> 00:31:30,704
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is also a big part of it.

784
00:31:30,984 --> 00:31:33,304
Speaker 1: And so yes, so Matthew Como is not following Haley

785
00:31:33,384 --> 00:31:35,384
Speaker 1: dufter she follows him. Everyone else follows each other, but

786
00:31:35,424 --> 00:31:38,504
Speaker 1: there has been no interaction. And then in April of

787
00:31:38,544 --> 00:31:42,104
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, in an interview and also speaking to fans,

788
00:31:42,224 --> 00:31:45,024
Speaker 1: Hailey says that she has not yet met Hillary's kid.

789
00:31:45,064 --> 00:31:46,864
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that that's banks At that time,

790
00:31:47,424 --> 00:31:49,344
Speaker 1: she has not met Hillary's kid, even though the fact

791
00:31:49,344 --> 00:31:51,144
Speaker 1: that they both lived in La Now this is still

792
00:31:51,144 --> 00:31:53,944
Speaker 1: COVID times, so people did think like, oh, maybe this

793
00:31:54,024 --> 00:31:56,064
Speaker 1: can't see each other. But they lived in the same neighborhood.

794
00:31:56,624 --> 00:31:58,224
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where it's just like,

795
00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:00,184
Speaker 1: maybe wanted to meet your sister's kid. You could at

796
00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:01,984
Speaker 1: some stage like she'd been around for a while. That

797
00:32:02,024 --> 00:32:03,904
Speaker 1: stage anyway, people just thought it was weird, yes, and

798
00:32:03,944 --> 00:32:06,024
Speaker 1: there was no information. She's like, I haven't met it yet.

799
00:32:06,224 --> 00:32:10,024
Speaker 1: Then Haley moves to Ouston, Texas. This is interesting because

800
00:32:10,064 --> 00:32:13,304
Speaker 1: follow there was a bit of an exodus of actresses

801
00:32:13,304 --> 00:32:15,544
Speaker 1: who do a lot of acting consistently or did at

802
00:32:15,584 --> 00:32:17,624
Speaker 1: the time, but are not like in kind of big movies.

803
00:32:17,944 --> 00:32:20,584
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of like famous friends who are in

804
00:32:20,624 --> 00:32:26,344
Speaker 1: a circle Becatobin, Jamie Lin, singer Haley Duff, all them

805
00:32:26,424 --> 00:32:28,624
Speaker 1: and their partners and families all up and moved to

806
00:32:28,704 --> 00:32:31,984
Speaker 1: Texas because they said the industry had changed so much

807
00:32:32,024 --> 00:32:34,664
Speaker 1: that now they could audition over zoom whereas previously they couldn't,

808
00:32:34,704 --> 00:32:36,904
Speaker 1: so they had to live in LA. There's this whole

809
00:32:36,904 --> 00:32:39,224
Speaker 1: spread in the Holly Reporter about it. This group of

810
00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:42,024
Speaker 1: actresses who were very close or moved to Texas. Haley

811
00:32:42,064 --> 00:32:43,624
Speaker 1: was one of them, and sort of set up this

812
00:32:43,664 --> 00:32:46,344
Speaker 1: little community there where they could like jet around to

813
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:49,424
Speaker 1: jobs and audition but not be in the crazy, expensive,

814
00:32:49,904 --> 00:32:51,504
Speaker 1: as they said, toxic world of LA.

815
00:32:51,704 --> 00:32:53,984
Speaker 2: And that tracks because I know a lot of actors

816
00:32:54,384 --> 00:32:56,944
Speaker 2: who have previously lived in LA and now have been

817
00:32:56,984 --> 00:32:59,224
Speaker 2: able to move back to Sydney since the pandemic.

818
00:32:58,784 --> 00:33:01,544
Speaker 3: Because all of their auditions are self taped.

819
00:33:01,624 --> 00:33:04,024
Speaker 2: Yes, and a lot of the shows that they're shooting

820
00:33:04,424 --> 00:33:06,784
Speaker 2: are on locations, so they might be shooting and hungry,

821
00:33:06,824 --> 00:33:09,944
Speaker 2: or they're shooting in New Zealand or wherever's not necessarily

822
00:33:09,984 --> 00:33:12,624
Speaker 2: having to be in LA. We've even seen it in

823
00:33:12,664 --> 00:33:14,584
Speaker 2: our interviews where a lot of our interviews are now

824
00:33:14,624 --> 00:33:18,224
Speaker 2: done over Zoomah rather than all the stars coming out

825
00:33:18,264 --> 00:33:19,384
Speaker 2: and doing the press runcords here.

826
00:33:19,424 --> 00:33:22,464
Speaker 1: So that tracks. That tracks, But it also there was

827
00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:25,184
Speaker 1: no sort of posting about them saying goodbye or anything

828
00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:28,344
Speaker 1: like that. There was no sort of interaction at that stage,

829
00:33:28,384 --> 00:33:31,784
Speaker 1: although the creator of the video did say that once

830
00:33:31,864 --> 00:33:34,384
Speaker 1: his video started to really go viral, he noticed that

831
00:33:34,384 --> 00:33:36,384
Speaker 1: the sisters both jumped on at the same time and

832
00:33:36,464 --> 00:33:38,824
Speaker 1: lacked a few of each other's posts and then didn't

833
00:33:38,824 --> 00:33:41,104
Speaker 1: comment again. So they were very aware of what was happening.

834
00:33:41,384 --> 00:33:42,664
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being him?

835
00:33:42,744 --> 00:33:45,224
Speaker 2: He's got a blue tick and everything, he's a TikToker.

836
00:33:45,504 --> 00:33:48,184
Speaker 2: But can you imagine just like having that much influence

837
00:33:48,264 --> 00:33:51,184
Speaker 2: that these celebrities are then now backtracking and liking it.

838
00:33:51,304 --> 00:33:53,904
Speaker 3: Well, seemingly backtracking and liking each other's photos.

839
00:33:54,024 --> 00:33:56,104
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to get to the why, because there

840
00:33:56,144 --> 00:33:59,784
Speaker 2: are some theories of why. The main theory that I've

841
00:33:59,824 --> 00:34:03,744
Speaker 2: seen is that there are some political tensions and political

842
00:34:03,784 --> 00:34:07,384
Speaker 2: differences between the sisters. Again, I think this tracks because

843
00:34:07,464 --> 00:34:11,704
Speaker 2: I think twenty twenty really caused a big rift in

844
00:34:11,944 --> 00:34:15,784
Speaker 2: families with political differences that it became a lot more.

845
00:34:15,824 --> 00:34:18,744
Speaker 2: It really brought everything to the surface. So the rumor

846
00:34:18,984 --> 00:34:21,864
Speaker 2: is that Haley and her family are a little bit

847
00:34:22,024 --> 00:34:26,344
Speaker 2: more right leaning and conservative. Some people will say quote

848
00:34:26,424 --> 00:34:30,184
Speaker 2: unquote Trumpers or Magger, I don't know, and then Hillary

849
00:34:30,304 --> 00:34:33,984
Speaker 2: is a little bit more left la Hollywood's all of that.

850
00:34:34,464 --> 00:34:37,224
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of evidence to support that.

851
00:34:37,224 --> 00:34:39,504
Speaker 1: That is the story that came out, but apparently that's

852
00:34:39,504 --> 00:34:42,144
Speaker 1: not the full story. So Jordi cray this TikToker again

853
00:34:42,224 --> 00:34:44,984
Speaker 1: fully in the mix, went on the Dumi podcast and

854
00:34:45,104 --> 00:34:47,584
Speaker 1: was asked about it because Dumar host was like, you

855
00:34:47,624 --> 00:34:50,264
Speaker 1: broke this whole story. What has been the fallout? And

856
00:34:50,304 --> 00:34:52,584
Speaker 1: then he said that he was made aware. He actually

857
00:34:52,584 --> 00:34:54,704
Speaker 1: got an email, he said, from someone who's close to

858
00:34:54,744 --> 00:34:57,464
Speaker 1: both sisters, like in their camp, just sort of straighten

859
00:34:57,464 --> 00:34:59,024
Speaker 1: a few things out. He didn't say who it was,

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Speaker 1: but he said, this person says Hillary and Haley are

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Speaker 1: very aware of the videos you've been posting, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm obviously terrified, which is fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Then they said it's nothing to do with politics, and

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Speaker 1: then they confirmed again I know the source of this,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying this is what he said. Said, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're really getting he said the email said this, but

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Speaker 1: he's obviously put his own name and face and like

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Speaker 1: his whole platform on this. So this is where it's

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Speaker 1: coming from. That, yes, Haley is a Republican and Hillary

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Speaker 1: is a Democrat, but that has been the way for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. That was still very very close.

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Speaker 1: It's apparently to do with the fact that Haley and

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Speaker 1: Hillary's husband, Matthew Comer do not get along at all,

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Speaker 1: and that apparently is the crux of the feud. So

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Speaker 1: apparently he and Hillary, they were saying that they dated,

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Speaker 1: they broke up, they got back together. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about that, but apparently when he and Hillary started getting

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Speaker 1: really serious, Hailey and her husband were still very much

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Speaker 1: in contact with Hillary's ex husband and the father of

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Speaker 1: her oldest child, Luca Mike Comery. I want to say.

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Speaker 1: His name is a hockey player, and apparently they were

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Speaker 1: sort of really close to him and didn't welcome Matthew in,

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Speaker 1: and then Matthew really took issue with that, and that's

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Speaker 1: why he doesn't follow Haley, and that's where the fallout

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00:36:04,184 --> 00:36:06,864
Speaker 1: has come from. That they've had a fight over her

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00:36:06,944 --> 00:36:10,344
Speaker 1: relationship with her husband, to the point where this email

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Speaker 1: also said that, just to clear it up, Hailey was

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Speaker 1: at Hillary Duff's wedding to Matthew Coma. However, there is

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Speaker 1: no photo evidence to support that there.

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Speaker 2: Apparently she just wanted the ceremony, which I guess would track,

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Speaker 2: but I think.

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Speaker 1: It was in their home, so the ceremony and the

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Speaker 1: reception were all in their home together.

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Speaker 3: Is anyone confused?

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Speaker 1: And the wedding like it was a smaller wedding, but

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Speaker 1: like it's in their home. They had a lot of

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Speaker 1: their solub friends there, but it wasn't a big celeb

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Speaker 1: to do kind of thing. They had their kids there.

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Speaker 1: Hillary wore a gold jumpsuit. It was all really cute.

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Speaker 1: But it is an interesting thing that even if Haley, yeah,

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Speaker 1: went to the ceremony and then left.

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Speaker 3: Why would you leave at your sister's wedding if you

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Speaker 3: went to the ceremony.

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Speaker 1: I Finally, really they're saying that she and Matthew couldn't

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Speaker 1: stand in photos together because they have such a feud.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's the kind of the most telling

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Speaker 1: thing that something has happened to them. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: so many even if you take out the whole TikTok

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Speaker 1: story and everything about it, the fact that you and

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Speaker 1: your sister are both so public on Instagram and then

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Speaker 1: you completely stop interacting. You haven't been pictured together in

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Speaker 1: so so many years.

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Speaker 3: Living on opposite ins of the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, like even this week with a co music

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Speaker 1: coming out, they used to always like pump each other's

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Speaker 1: projects up. Halley hasn't said anything. Both think the fact

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Speaker 1: that there are so many photos from that wedding, from

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Speaker 1: Hillary Duff and Matthew Comer's wedding, so so many photos,

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Speaker 1: and Hailey Duff is not in any of them, not

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Speaker 1: even in the background shot. Nothing just leads me to

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Speaker 1: believe that they are definitely feudi.

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Speaker 3: It really makes you sad when siblings.

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Speaker 1: It makes me so sad. I could not imagine cutting ties.

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Speaker 2: With one of my I can't imagine cutting dies with

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Speaker 2: my siblings, even though I hate my brothers sometimes like

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Speaker 2: I love my brothers, but I hate my ys, but

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Speaker 2: I just can't imagine cutting them out of my mind

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Speaker 2: and missing.

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Speaker 1: Like that part of it. And also after being so close.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I think. There's just a real like

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Speaker 1: I know everyone's kind of jumping on like the drama

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Speaker 1: of this, but it is a really sad thing. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much she'll say about it. Because that's

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Speaker 1: the other thing too, Like they're both so online, they're

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Speaker 1: both so aware. There's no way they haven't seen all

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Speaker 1: of this. So if they wanted to come out and

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Speaker 1: shut the rumors down, I know they did that whole

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Speaker 1: thing of doing like a quick liking spree when the

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Speaker 1: video first surface. But I feel like that was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a panic reaction because they're probably like, we

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Speaker 1: haven't spoken in two years, no one has said a word.

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Speaker 1: They probably never expected anyone to pick up on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, especially because they lived in different cities. They're

944
00:38:17,664 --> 00:38:19,544
Speaker 1: probably like, no one's going to notice, no one's tracking

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Speaker 1: us that quickly. I feel like there was a panic response,

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Speaker 1: but that was so many years ago. Now, if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to set the record straight, even if it was

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Speaker 1: a lie, they could cover up their feud if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to. But they're choosing not to. Yeah, which makes

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Speaker 1: me think it's real.

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Speaker 3: Look, hopefully we can find out a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there'll be a few more reveals during the docu

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Speaker 2: series that we get, and we might hear a little

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Speaker 2: bit more in the.

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Speaker 1: New music, maybe the song, and she'll reach out to

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Speaker 1: Hillary and they'll be best friends again. That's what I hope.

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