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Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mummamya's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. This time next week, Donald Trump will be

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Speaker 2: inaugurated and the keys to the White House will be

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Speaker 2: handed over what has been a much more peaceful transition

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Speaker 2: to power than when Trump was ousted back in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: A week out from officially again becoming the President of

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Speaker 2: the United States, President elect Donald Trump has sparked international

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Speaker 2: concern with a series of extraordinary territorial claims and threats,

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Speaker 2: while simultaneously facing legal challenges and showing signs of tension

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Speaker 2: with key ally Elon musk So in what we presume

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Speaker 2: will be the first of many Today we're bringing you

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Speaker 2: the first Trump date of twenty twenty five, as he

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Speaker 2: makes waves well ahead of returning to the Oval offers.

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Speaker 2: But first, here's the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: January fourteenth, Singer Beyonce has donated more than two million

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Speaker 2: dollars US to help the victims of the California wildfires.

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Speaker 2: Announcing the money would be given to the LA Fire

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Speaker 2: Relief Fund through her foundation. Beyonce's pledge came after Disney

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Speaker 2: also gave fifteen million to help rebuild communities impacted by

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Speaker 2: the flames, while Paramount and Fox Corps also gave one

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Speaker 2: million dollars in contributions to the Red Cross and the

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Speaker 2: LA Fire Department, who are battling the blaze that has

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Speaker 2: now taken the lives of twenty four people and destroyed

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Speaker 2: more than ten thousand buildings. In some uplifting news from

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Speaker 2: the LA fire ground, a man has found his dog

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Speaker 2: sleeping in the rubble of his neighbor's home, five days

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Speaker 2: after being separated as they evacuated. The reunion was caught

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Speaker 2: by an NBC news team who watched as Casey Colvin

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Speaker 2: using a toy and their other dog, becoming emotional as

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Speaker 2: he picked Oreo up and hugged him, saying you're alive,

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Speaker 2: You're alive. An Australian first National Autism Strategy will be

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Speaker 2: launched today, outlining twenty two commitments to boost the well

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Speaker 2: being of autistic peace. Almost twenty million dollars will be

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Speaker 2: spent over four years to provide lived experience advice for

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Speaker 2: autistic people under an initial two year action plan to

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Speaker 2: roll out practical measures to dismantle harmful latitudes and the

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Speaker 2: things that block them from participating in society. Three million

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Speaker 2: dollars of that funding will go towards studying the prevalence

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Speaker 2: of autism in Australia, Oversite Council co chair and autistic

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Speaker 2: person Claire Gibbelini, saying the study will provide real data

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Speaker 2: to make sure autistic voices are heard. Miss Gibbelini says

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Speaker 2: of employers in creating inclusive workplaces and understanding the needs

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Speaker 2: and diversity of autistic workers. Milania Trump has revealed that

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Speaker 2: not only is she returning to live with her husband

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Speaker 2: saying their son Barn has a room already picked out

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Speaker 2: for when he comes to visit from college. Milania says

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Speaker 2: the second time around the move has been easy, knowing

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Speaker 2: a recent press conference held at his Florida resort Marra Lago,

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Speaker 2: claims in a dramatic escalation of his expansionist rhetoric. Trump

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Speaker 3: The Scandinavian nation has ambitious plans for its new acquisition.

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Speaker 3: We believe that by giving the US an educational system

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Speaker 2: Trump's claims on the Panama Canal stem from his assertion

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Speaker 2: that China has basically taken it over, despite Panama's President

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Speaker 2: Jose Raoul Malino firmly rejecting the allegations. In a move

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Speaker 2: He cited America's military protection and economic support of Canada

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Speaker 4: I don't want it a little, mister Trump.

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Speaker 5: But on the other hand, hey, Donald, have we got

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Speaker 5: a deal for you. You think we want to be the

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Speaker 4: We've got a deal for you.

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Speaker 5: This is what you get free healthcare, universal free healthcare.

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Speaker 5: No more one year olds who suddenly follow off the

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Speaker 5: And women have a right to an abortion. If it

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Speaker 2: Adding to these territorial ambitions, Trump announced plans to rename

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Speaker 2: European leaders have responded with some alarm to Trump's territorial threats.

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Speaker 2: According to the New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman, Trump's

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Speaker 2: jokes referring to his ally and financial backer as President Musk,

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Speaker 2: new Department of Government Deficiency. Tensions have emerged over policy differences,

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Speaker 2: specifically over the H one B visa program. While Trump

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Speaker 2: on Friday, US time. Additionally, the Justice Department has announced

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Speaker 2: the transmission of Special Counsel Jack Smith's final report on

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Speaker 2: classified documents. Now, these developments all come just weeks before

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Speaker 2: trumps scheduled inauguration on January twentieth. Concerns about the potential

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Speaker 2: Policy magazine. Amelia, what do we think about all the

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Speaker 4: Is it all talk?

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Speaker 2: Or could some of these threats actually eventuate.

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Speaker 1: One thing that's different from last time when he talked about,

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Speaker 4: Not ruling out the use of force.

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Speaker 1: The whole point of Madman theory is that the other

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Speaker 1: sort of a confusing twist on that idea of Madman theory.

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Speaker 1: But people are saying that that could be one reason

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Speaker 2: Can you just quickly explain to us why he wants Greenland.

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Speaker 2: that it's a military positioning thing. The other is that

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Speaker 2: it's actually a climate change related thing. Why does Trump

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Speaker 2: want Greenland?

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Speaker 1: I think that the most obvious reason why he wants Greenland,

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Speaker 1: because when you look at a map of the world,

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Speaker 1: It is a quarter the size of the US, but

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Speaker 1: on maps it looks even bigger because of the way

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Speaker 1: So I think we should not discount the fact that

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Speaker 1: some strategy behind it, why he might want Greenland, because

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Speaker 1: And in Mark Zuckerberg's case, what he said that meant

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, and he was also going to employ this

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Speaker 1: army of fact checkers. Now that Trump is about to

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Speaker 1: re enter the White House, Zuckerberg has a number of

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Speaker 1: regulatory cases and decisions that are currently with the federal government.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't want to anger Trump. He's seen

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Speaker 1: how personally vindictive Trump can be. It's hard not to

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Speaker 1: see him find hiring his fact checkers and once again

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Speaker 1: emphasizing political posts on Facebook as anything other than genuflecting

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Speaker 1: before Trump a couple of weeks before he takes the

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Speaker 2: Just finally, why is Australian mining magnate Geena rein Hart

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Speaker 2: him at Mara A Lago after his win. We saw

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Speaker 2: her take out adverts in the newspaper thanking Trump for

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Speaker 2: his dedication to his country and you know, congratulating him

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Speaker 2: on his win from his Aussie friends. What is this

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Speaker 2: relationship about?

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Speaker 1: There has been some digging by the Financial Review and

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Speaker 1: others that reveals that early last year, actually the Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach Jaily News is who I need to give credit

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Speaker 1: to this fort They reported that some Shell companies that

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Speaker 1: were linked to Gina ryan Hart were behind two big

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Speaker 1: property purchases around Marra A Lago in the Palm Beach area.

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Speaker 1: One was a US sixty million dollar mansion. The other

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Speaker 1: was also a mansion five bedrooms at bathroom's price undisclosed. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: the entity the shell company that was responsible for those purchases.

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Speaker 1: Was called TT forty seventh LLC. Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: be the forty seventh president. There is some thinking that

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Speaker 1: maybe Guina rein Hart wants to replace Kevin Rudd as

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Speaker 1: the Australian ambassador to the United States. It would certainly

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Speaker 1: be helpful for her from a business perspective if she

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Speaker 1: cosied up with Trump, but perhaps she has these ambitions

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Speaker 1: as well to enter the politically adjacent space.

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Speaker 2: Well, she has been hanging out a lot with Pauline Hanson,

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Speaker 2: so who knows who knows?

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is I think you hitting on

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Speaker 1: something that we need to watch closely this year, which

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Speaker 1: is as we gear up for an election here in Australia,

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton will be crazy not to be reading the

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Speaker 1: Trump playbook very very carefully, because it's clearly worked for

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Speaker 1: him electorally.

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Speaker 4: We have a very similar situation here with.

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Speaker 1: A deeply unpopular incumbent, questions and concerns about cost of living.

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Speaker 4: If Peter Dutton and his team.

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Speaker 1: Are not looking closely at employing strategies that Trump and

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Speaker 1: his team used in the presidential election last ye would

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Speaker 1: be very surprised.

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