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Speaker 2: Hello Spillers, this is Laura just dropping into your ears

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Speaker 2: with a special treat. So if you're a big fan

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Speaker 2: of the Netflix series Emily in Paris, and you all

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Speaker 2: know I am it's one of my favorite shows, then

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Speaker 2: you are going to want to listen to this because

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Speaker 2: we're about to be gifted with season five of Emily

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Speaker 2: and Paris coming to Netflix December eighteen. So before you

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Speaker 2: watch that, you need to listen to this special episode

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Speaker 2: of watch Party. So in this episode of Watch Party,

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Speaker 2: the hosts are going to give you a perfect warm

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Speaker 2: up for the new season. They are going to give

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Speaker 2: you a crash course on everything you need to know

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Speaker 2: before season five drops, and also break down the ending

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Speaker 2: of season four and the man most likely to win

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Speaker 2: Emily's heart. So before you watch the new season of

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Speaker 2: Emily and Paris, listen to this episode of watch Party.

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Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spills Watch Party, where

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Speaker 1: we unpacked the biggest shows that the world is talking about.

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Speaker 1: My name's Venicius Warren. I'm the executive producer of Mamma

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Speaker 1: MIA's entertainment podcast, The Spill as well as this podcast,

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Speaker 1: Watch Party, and I'm also one of Emily and Paris's

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Speaker 1: biggest fans. I love watching that girl, Emily just doing

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Speaker 1: her thing in Paris, So I have never been more

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Speaker 1: excited about an episode of Watch Party. But I'm also

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Speaker 1: joined by two other big super fans of the show.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tina Burke.

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Speaker 4: I'ma me as pop culture and social editor, which means

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Speaker 4: I really really love watching TV and I love watching

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Speaker 4: tatok edit, so this is my dream come true.

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Speaker 5: I'm Chelsea Why, I'm the entertainment producer.

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Speaker 6: Im'm Mia, and I too love movies, TV and all

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Speaker 6: things pop culture.

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Speaker 5: But Emily and Paris is like my absolute favorite. So

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of spiraling is going to

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Speaker 1: go down today. So we've quite literally been waiting more

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Speaker 1: than a year for this. We're just days away from

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Speaker 1: Emily in Paris season five dropping, and that's going to

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Speaker 1: be ten fresh episodes of Emily Cooper Goodness on the

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Speaker 1: eighteenth of December. We're going to be covering them here

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Speaker 1: in in this podcast. But first we're going to get

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Speaker 1: you caught up on everything you need to know. You

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Speaker 1: might remember Emily left Paris to somewhere a little bit

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Speaker 1: more Italian. So as long as you're up to date

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Speaker 1: with that, you're safe. But if you aren't and you

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Speaker 1: want to avoid spoilers, just make sure you go finish

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Speaker 1: up and then come back for your preseason hype up.

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Speaker 2: If we're going to open an office in Rome, let's

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Speaker 2: really show the Italian's house done.

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Speaker 1: I don't think my ideas are translating.

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Speaker 5: But Rome wasn't built in a day, and yet only

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Speaker 3: Rome is so new and exciting.

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Speaker 2: But I have built a life for myself in Paris

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Speaker 2: and everything is just going all about me.

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Speaker 1: You know, the saying you can't go home again, Well

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for the future.

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Speaker 1: she is moving from Paris to Rome. It's like she

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Speaker 1: We have to talk about the three men in Emily's life,

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Speaker 4: The fans were not happy Chelsea leading the chart. She's

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Speaker 4: He is the mister Big. Every single time that Darren

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like, are you saying you're over it

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Speaker 5: I think he's harboring a lot of deep Yeah, he's

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Speaker 5: I will say this was placed upon me. Marcello is

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Speaker 4: Choice choice, so to me, this is how I see it.

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Speaker 6: Gabrielle to me is trash, but I think he's endgame. Yes,

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Speaker 6: Alfie is like the dream, but I don't think he's endgame.

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Speaker 5: Marcello is both boring and not endgame.

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Speaker 5: He's got a great accent. He's lovely, he's like a

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Speaker 6: He buys her like fancy scarves. They ride around together

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Speaker 4: Classic classic, classic, but also your ex was pregnant with

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Speaker 1: You can't leave a girl who.

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Speaker 5: He didn't say a thing, He just zoomed off.

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Speaker 6: She's like see her, so yeah. He appears out of nowhere,

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Speaker 5: That is old money.

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Speaker 6: And then in the end they kind of figure out

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Speaker 3: She loves to blend her purse, she loves the professional.

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Speaker 4: what can we do for this campaign? And she'd be like,

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00:18:40,074 --> 00:18:42,274
Speaker 4: put a bed in the street, and everyone would be like, Wow,

437
00:18:42,314 --> 00:18:44,513
Speaker 4: she's a genius. No one's ever thought of this before,

438
00:18:44,594 --> 00:18:45,154
Speaker 4: and you're like.

439
00:18:45,154 --> 00:18:46,314
Speaker 1: My woop doesn't say that.

440
00:18:46,434 --> 00:18:47,794
Speaker 3: I was like, we don't have a budget.

441
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,154
Speaker 1: What are you talking about a couple of beds and streets.

442
00:18:50,634 --> 00:18:52,154
Speaker 4: I think I just found it a little bit like, oh,

443
00:18:52,194 --> 00:18:54,234
Speaker 4: here she comes again with her great idea she saved

444
00:18:54,234 --> 00:18:56,874
Speaker 4: the day. But I liked it, like I enjoy seeing it.

445
00:18:56,954 --> 00:19:00,114
Speaker 4: I obviously was like this is stupid and not real, but.

446
00:19:00,034 --> 00:19:00,874
Speaker 1: I had a great time.

447
00:19:00,954 --> 00:19:03,314
Speaker 4: I think like sometimes you can just enjoy silly things

448
00:19:03,394 --> 00:19:05,874
Speaker 4: or silly moments and like fun and whimsy, it's okay.

449
00:19:05,994 --> 00:19:09,314
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I also think the show is very

450
00:19:09,754 --> 00:19:11,474
Speaker 5: quite self aware, yause, I would agree.

451
00:19:11,514 --> 00:19:13,634
Speaker 6: Season one, there was quite a lot of criticism around

452
00:19:13,634 --> 00:19:16,634
Speaker 6: how they portrayed French people and French culture and Emily's

453
00:19:16,634 --> 00:19:18,194
Speaker 6: like coming in as the savior to be like, oh,

454
00:19:18,234 --> 00:19:19,834
Speaker 6: we should do this, this, this, But I feel like

455
00:19:19,874 --> 00:19:22,954
Speaker 6: they really took that feedback on in the later seasons,

456
00:19:22,954 --> 00:19:26,274
Speaker 6: where they're not portraying French culture in a negative way.

457
00:19:26,434 --> 00:19:28,394
Speaker 6: It's more kind of making fun of the way Emily

458
00:19:28,554 --> 00:19:29,954
Speaker 6: is amongst this new culture.

459
00:19:30,354 --> 00:19:32,553
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that contrast that they're really playing into, and

460
00:19:32,554 --> 00:19:35,634
Speaker 1: because they've hyped her up to be this ultimate outgoing,

461
00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:38,793
Speaker 1: frenzied person, it just seems even more stark than it

462
00:19:38,834 --> 00:19:39,313
Speaker 1: already is.

463
00:19:39,554 --> 00:19:41,313
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's this thing around the world, like with

464
00:19:41,394 --> 00:19:43,754
Speaker 4: tourists where it's like, oh, like if you go somewhere like,

465
00:19:43,794 --> 00:19:45,793
Speaker 4: don't go to the Eiffel Tower. That's what tourists do.

466
00:19:45,874 --> 00:19:47,434
Speaker 4: You have to live like the French show. And it's like, well,

467
00:19:47,434 --> 00:19:48,994
Speaker 4: I'm a tourist, so I'm going to go to the

468
00:19:49,034 --> 00:19:51,474
Speaker 4: Eiffel Tower. And he's kind of applied that Darren Star

469
00:19:51,594 --> 00:19:53,833
Speaker 4: to like this season as a whole, like of that

470
00:19:53,874 --> 00:19:55,874
Speaker 4: first season, Like she's fun and she's whimsical, and she's

471
00:19:55,874 --> 00:19:57,834
Speaker 4: wearing a beret and she's like eating a baguete and

472
00:19:57,874 --> 00:19:59,874
Speaker 4: she doesn't understand their ways of life and they're all like,

473
00:19:59,914 --> 00:20:02,634
Speaker 4: you're a loser, and it's like, yes, she's an American

474
00:20:02,874 --> 00:20:04,714
Speaker 4: in Paris, like she's going.

475
00:20:04,514 --> 00:20:06,793
Speaker 1: To be Yeah, it's in the title. It's in the title.

476
00:20:07,434 --> 00:20:09,634
Speaker 1: One thing that I also think about a lot in

477
00:20:09,714 --> 00:20:12,553
Speaker 1: watching Emily in Paris is that, obviously this is a

478
00:20:12,674 --> 00:20:16,714
Speaker 1: very female geared show. It's romance, it's fashion, it's the

479
00:20:16,794 --> 00:20:19,194
Speaker 1: girlies in Paris, And I was trying to think of

480
00:20:19,234 --> 00:20:22,114
Speaker 1: what the male equivalent of a quote unquote fluff show

481
00:20:22,114 --> 00:20:25,154
Speaker 1: would be. What I landed on through my research, not

482
00:20:25,194 --> 00:20:28,914
Speaker 1: having actually seen it, is Entourage. Yeah, one hundred percent.

483
00:20:29,114 --> 00:20:31,114
Speaker 1: I thought you'd be across this. You watch every show

484
00:20:31,154 --> 00:20:33,513
Speaker 1: that there is ever, and so am I right in

485
00:20:33,554 --> 00:20:38,034
Speaker 1: saying Entourage is basically this glossy, silly, wishfulfilment fantasy about

486
00:20:38,074 --> 00:20:40,793
Speaker 1: young guys living the dream in Hollywood with not a

487
00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:43,674
Speaker 1: lot of critical depth. But it was somehow didn't get

488
00:20:43,674 --> 00:20:46,394
Speaker 1: this trope of being branded as fluffy. I feel like

489
00:20:46,434 --> 00:20:49,273
Speaker 1: people saw it as quite cool and aspirational. What are

490
00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:50,194
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that.

491
00:20:50,274 --> 00:20:52,834
Speaker 4: I would remove the word whimsy because it was really

492
00:20:52,874 --> 00:20:55,234
Speaker 4: just the boys and like the boy it's like the

493
00:20:55,274 --> 00:20:57,874
Speaker 4: men on the town and she's hot, and we're doing

494
00:20:57,874 --> 00:20:59,394
Speaker 4: it in a different way. We're doing it in a

495
00:20:59,394 --> 00:21:02,234
Speaker 4: whimsical ways and Gabrielle's so pretty. Those are different things,

496
00:21:02,274 --> 00:21:05,034
Speaker 4: for sure. No, those shows are so similar. It's yeah,

497
00:21:05,034 --> 00:21:07,514
Speaker 4: it's like career hustle in this silly way, like it's

498
00:21:07,514 --> 00:21:10,194
Speaker 4: like aspirational to like make it in the industry is

499
00:21:10,314 --> 00:21:10,994
Speaker 4: similar to what.

500
00:21:10,914 --> 00:21:11,434
Speaker 1: She's kind of do.

501
00:21:11,514 --> 00:21:12,994
Speaker 3: I think you've nailed it there. I think that's such

502
00:21:12,994 --> 00:21:13,714
Speaker 3: a good comparison.

503
00:21:13,754 --> 00:21:15,914
Speaker 4: And no, I don't think Entourage was dismissed as like

504
00:21:16,154 --> 00:21:18,634
Speaker 4: It was certainly not seen as like a highbrow drama,

505
00:21:19,034 --> 00:21:21,154
Speaker 4: but it was also not seen as like silly.

506
00:21:21,394 --> 00:21:23,754
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw the phrase guilty pleasure. No,

507
00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:25,434
Speaker 1: we're not calling men's.

508
00:21:25,114 --> 00:21:27,674
Speaker 4: TV shows guilty pleasures, are we no, well, maybe we

509
00:21:27,714 --> 00:21:29,634
Speaker 4: should start, maybe we should let's do it here.

510
00:21:29,754 --> 00:21:32,114
Speaker 1: I also think in Emily in Paris, the way we

511
00:21:32,314 --> 00:21:35,874
Speaker 1: look at female ambition is quite interesting because Emily is

512
00:21:36,154 --> 00:21:40,034
Speaker 1: constantly mocked for being too enthusiastic. She's too bright, she's

513
00:21:40,114 --> 00:21:42,714
Speaker 1: too much of a hustler, she's too focused on her job.

514
00:21:42,914 --> 00:21:44,954
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, can you just chill out a little bit.

515
00:21:45,234 --> 00:21:47,273
Speaker 1: I do feel if she was a male protagonist, it

516
00:21:47,354 --> 00:21:49,954
Speaker 1: potentially would be a little bit different. And one of

517
00:21:49,954 --> 00:21:53,914
Speaker 1: the parallels in my mind is Mike Ross from Suits. Yeah,

518
00:21:53,954 --> 00:21:56,394
Speaker 1: because he is a little bit of a hustler, he

519
00:21:56,474 --> 00:21:58,714
Speaker 1: can be a little bit annoying. He's, you know, the

520
00:21:58,714 --> 00:22:01,114
Speaker 1: guy you root for. He's the prodigy who's coming up

521
00:22:01,114 --> 00:22:04,954
Speaker 1: with these amazing ideas nobody's thought of before. I mean,

522
00:22:04,954 --> 00:22:06,114
Speaker 1: that man broke the law.

523
00:22:06,114 --> 00:22:09,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, literal fellies to do his job.

524
00:22:10,474 --> 00:22:13,354
Speaker 1: But he is and I don't think he gets branded

525
00:22:13,394 --> 00:22:16,513
Speaker 1: with that saying you're annoying your cringe. Obviously it is

526
00:22:16,554 --> 00:22:18,434
Speaker 1: a different show, But when I was trying to think

527
00:22:18,474 --> 00:22:20,954
Speaker 1: of how we view ambition in the lens of this

528
00:22:20,994 --> 00:22:24,954
Speaker 1: show compared to other shows that I suppose less fully

529
00:22:24,994 --> 00:22:27,313
Speaker 1: female view in a way that Emily in Paris is

530
00:22:27,354 --> 00:22:29,834
Speaker 1: Mike Ross is sort of that example that came to mind.

531
00:22:30,114 --> 00:22:32,994
Speaker 6: Yeah, it almost feels like female ambition. And also I

532
00:22:33,074 --> 00:22:35,274
Speaker 6: think of Carry Browshaw a little bit in the sense

533
00:22:35,274 --> 00:22:37,154
Speaker 6: that like a worse thing a woman can do is

534
00:22:37,194 --> 00:22:39,674
Speaker 6: one be ambitious or cheat, whereas there are men who

535
00:22:39,754 --> 00:22:41,354
Speaker 6: are one literally breaking the.

536
00:22:41,314 --> 00:22:45,834
Speaker 5: Walling and we don't care. Yeah, it is interesting.

537
00:22:46,034 --> 00:22:48,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like then going from Carrie, obviously she then

538
00:22:48,754 --> 00:22:50,394
Speaker 4: worked up to Vogue and she was more of a

539
00:22:50,394 --> 00:22:52,794
Speaker 4: career lady as well as having her column. We also

540
00:22:52,834 --> 00:22:55,154
Speaker 4: saw then Darren Star make Younger, which took place in

541
00:22:55,194 --> 00:22:57,674
Speaker 4: like a publishing house. Now with Emily in pr he

542
00:22:57,674 --> 00:23:01,714
Speaker 4: does these really great workplace also, like ambitious women in workplaces.

543
00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,714
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say comedy or drama. I don't know what

544
00:23:03,754 --> 00:23:06,074
Speaker 4: he does. I call it a comedy, but like he

545
00:23:06,114 --> 00:23:08,634
Speaker 4: does these plotlines well where yes there's romance, and yes

546
00:23:08,674 --> 00:23:10,554
Speaker 4: there's like friendship tension, and there's all of these really

547
00:23:10,554 --> 00:23:12,553
Speaker 4: real character traits and things they're going through, but we

548
00:23:12,594 --> 00:23:15,114
Speaker 4: also get to see the professional lives and ambitions of women,

549
00:23:15,154 --> 00:23:15,674
Speaker 4: and like not.

550
00:23:15,674 --> 00:23:17,033
Speaker 3: A lot of people are doing that anymore.

551
00:23:17,034 --> 00:23:18,594
Speaker 4: I think he does a phenomenal job of it, so

552
00:23:18,674 --> 00:23:20,674
Speaker 4: it's it is annoying when people dismiss it as like

553
00:23:20,714 --> 00:23:21,634
Speaker 4: fluff or stupid.

554
00:23:21,954 --> 00:23:24,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing that Darren Starr does so well,

555
00:23:24,114 --> 00:23:26,714
Speaker 1: and he's talked about it himself, is creating that world

556
00:23:26,794 --> 00:23:29,594
Speaker 1: that you want to be immersed in. He looks so fun,

557
00:23:29,634 --> 00:23:32,474
Speaker 1: it's so colorful. He said. When I find a new

558
00:23:32,514 --> 00:23:35,074
Speaker 1: idea that I love and a great cast and a

559
00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:36,994
Speaker 1: world that I want to live in, I just want

560
00:23:37,034 --> 00:23:39,273
Speaker 1: to write about it and keep going. This is the

561
00:23:39,354 --> 00:23:41,954
Speaker 1: richest one yet in terms of how everyone has evolved.

562
00:23:41,994 --> 00:23:43,273
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that last, but

563
00:23:43,434 --> 00:23:45,954
Speaker 1: that was him talking about olim Parent. But I do

564
00:23:46,034 --> 00:23:48,513
Speaker 1: get that vibe from him as the creator that he

565
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:50,634
Speaker 1: just wants to keep making more seasons because it's so

566
00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:52,234
Speaker 1: damn fun to be a part of.

567
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:54,234
Speaker 6: I think also what he's sayings Emily in Paris is

568
00:23:54,314 --> 00:23:57,114
Speaker 6: so aspirational. Yah of all the shows that he's made

569
00:23:57,154 --> 00:23:59,674
Speaker 6: I feel like, and that really comes through in every way,

570
00:23:59,714 --> 00:24:01,674
Speaker 6: including the fashion, and I think that plays a huge

571
00:24:01,754 --> 00:24:04,914
Speaker 6: role in why the show is so popular. The fashion

572
00:24:04,994 --> 00:24:08,634
Speaker 6: is obviously like the show widely loved, also widely mocked.

573
00:24:08,754 --> 00:24:11,674
Speaker 6: Everyone's like, oh, Emily's not fashionable, like she wears like

574
00:24:11,714 --> 00:24:14,154
Speaker 6: crazy stuff, or like how could she ever afford all

575
00:24:14,154 --> 00:24:17,033
Speaker 6: these like luxury items, But that's part of it. I

576
00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:19,033
Speaker 6: think of back when Sex and the City was airing,

577
00:24:19,034 --> 00:24:21,954
Speaker 6: there was still a lot of criticism around how Carrie

578
00:24:22,034 --> 00:24:25,714
Speaker 6: could afford the WARDROBEI that she had and how unrealistic

579
00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:28,874
Speaker 6: that was her working at this like mid tier newspaper

580
00:24:28,954 --> 00:24:32,354
Speaker 6: writing like one column a week. And at the time,

581
00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:35,874
Speaker 6: Patricia Field's response was really like why would we want reality?

582
00:24:35,954 --> 00:24:38,474
Speaker 6: Like we want magic, Like that's what we want, And

583
00:24:38,514 --> 00:24:41,354
Speaker 6: the same thing applies to Emily in Paris, where it

584
00:24:41,834 --> 00:24:45,154
Speaker 6: is aspirational. We want Emily's outfits to be over the

585
00:24:45,194 --> 00:24:48,594
Speaker 6: top and chaotic and really mismac because that's really why

586
00:24:48,634 --> 00:24:49,074
Speaker 6: they work.

587
00:24:49,194 --> 00:24:51,354
Speaker 4: In an interview with Vulture last year, Darren Starr was

588
00:24:51,354 --> 00:24:53,314
Speaker 4: asked about the show being out of touch and people

589
00:24:53,314 --> 00:24:55,074
Speaker 4: perceiving it that way, and it's literally what you just said.

590
00:24:55,074 --> 00:24:56,594
Speaker 4: He was like, I was intending to make a show

591
00:24:56,634 --> 00:24:58,954
Speaker 4: that was aspirational. He's like, I wanted to create an

592
00:24:59,034 --> 00:25:01,834
Speaker 4: entertaining show about like when he was nineteen years old

593
00:25:01,874 --> 00:25:03,474
Speaker 4: and he went to Paris and he spent the summer

594
00:25:03,514 --> 00:25:05,354
Speaker 4: in Europe backpacking and fell in love with the city.

595
00:25:05,394 --> 00:25:07,634
Speaker 4: He wanted to like bring that magic to life. You

596
00:25:07,674 --> 00:25:09,714
Speaker 4: don't bring it to life, but yeah, like wearing Zar

597
00:25:09,874 --> 00:25:12,314
Speaker 4: or wearing HNM like she's in Paris. Put the girl

598
00:25:12,314 --> 00:25:14,754
Speaker 4: in some designer like even if it's a kangle bucket hat,

599
00:25:14,874 --> 00:25:15,394
Speaker 4: fine by me.

600
00:25:16,194 --> 00:25:18,793
Speaker 1: She needs to be out there, needs to be of

601
00:25:18,834 --> 00:25:21,394
Speaker 1: it all. And I always wonder watching it whether the

602
00:25:21,474 --> 00:25:23,674
Speaker 1: cultural impact of Emily in Paris in that you know,

603
00:25:23,714 --> 00:25:26,194
Speaker 1: there is that trope in Australia of either in your

604
00:25:26,234 --> 00:25:28,754
Speaker 1: early twenties or when your ten thirdy you go to London,

605
00:25:28,874 --> 00:25:31,634
Speaker 1: you have that whole little yeah troop abroad or spent

606
00:25:31,674 --> 00:25:33,634
Speaker 1: a couple of years they're working. I have wondered if

607
00:25:33,714 --> 00:25:35,714
Speaker 1: this show has led to a pivot to Paris, because

608
00:25:35,714 --> 00:25:38,794
Speaker 1: everyone's picturing themselves now in the designer outfits under the

609
00:25:38,794 --> 00:25:39,434
Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower.

610
00:25:39,474 --> 00:25:41,474
Speaker 6: I would say in pop culture though there is Antina

611
00:25:41,474 --> 00:25:43,754
Speaker 6: can probably speak to this, but about Paris as like

612
00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:47,154
Speaker 6: an entity in television shows or people going to Paris

613
00:25:47,234 --> 00:25:49,194
Speaker 6: or not going to Paris for love and this it

614
00:25:49,354 --> 00:25:52,314
Speaker 6: just being this like romantic fantasy that we've all had, yeah,

615
00:25:52,314 --> 00:25:53,154
Speaker 6: our mind's for years.

616
00:25:53,354 --> 00:25:56,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, through drama through comedy, even into like reality TV

617
00:25:56,314 --> 00:25:58,114
Speaker 4: Lauren Comrade, the girl who didn't go to Paris.

618
00:25:58,194 --> 00:26:01,834
Speaker 3: Seriously, Yeah, it's obviously where London is. Heah, that exciting city,

619
00:26:01,834 --> 00:26:02,514
Speaker 3: and so it's New York.

620
00:26:02,554 --> 00:26:04,754
Speaker 4: They're like the big cities, like Paris is the one

621
00:26:04,754 --> 00:26:06,594
Speaker 4: for romance and love and adventure.

622
00:26:06,634 --> 00:26:07,513
Speaker 3: And he keep.

623
00:26:07,354 --> 00:26:08,954
Speaker 4: Saying the word whimsical, but I'm going to keep saying

624
00:26:08,994 --> 00:26:10,954
Speaker 4: it till I'm dead, because that is this show. It

625
00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:13,954
Speaker 4: is all about like that whimsical magic that you can experience.

626
00:26:14,114 --> 00:26:15,714
Speaker 4: And if you don't get to experience, then you get

627
00:26:15,754 --> 00:26:17,594
Speaker 4: to go with Emily. So yeah, why would you want

628
00:26:17,594 --> 00:26:19,594
Speaker 4: to see Emily do it half fast? Like we want

629
00:26:19,634 --> 00:26:22,834
Speaker 4: her to live the most ridiculous life possible, and we.

630
00:26:22,794 --> 00:26:24,554
Speaker 1: Want her to never leave, and we want her to

631
00:26:25,074 --> 00:26:25,594
Speaker 1: never leave.

632
00:26:26,474 --> 00:26:29,194
Speaker 5: Fifty seasons of this show, they kept doing it, honestly.

633
00:26:28,994 --> 00:26:32,914
Speaker 4: And I've never watched her in Chicago, he kind of said. Darren,

634
00:26:32,914 --> 00:26:34,554
Speaker 4: he's like with every show he's done, because he's done

635
00:26:34,554 --> 00:26:36,314
Speaker 4: so many. If you don't know, he was the creator

636
00:26:36,354 --> 00:26:38,594
Speaker 4: of Beverly Hills nine two one oh and Meloy's Place

637
00:26:38,634 --> 00:26:41,194
Speaker 4: and like obviously, yes, Sex and the City Younger. But

638
00:26:41,274 --> 00:26:42,874
Speaker 4: he said this is the most over the top, the

639
00:26:42,874 --> 00:26:45,594
Speaker 4: one with the craziest fashion, the wildest settings. But at

640
00:26:45,594 --> 00:26:47,313
Speaker 4: the heart of it, and I know we're questioning this

641
00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:48,594
Speaker 4: a little of bit, he's like, these are the most

642
00:26:48,594 --> 00:26:51,234
Speaker 4: complex characters he's ever done, in his opinion, Like, these

643
00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:54,994
Speaker 4: are the characters with the narrative stories that He's like,

644
00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:57,313
Speaker 4: that's what's keeping it grounded. Like, even if you have

645
00:26:57,394 --> 00:26:59,474
Speaker 4: all of this craziness of her going to Rome and

646
00:26:59,514 --> 00:27:01,914
Speaker 4: time not being real and masquerade balls and all of

647
00:27:01,914 --> 00:27:03,874
Speaker 4: these other things that are going on, and designers like

648
00:27:03,874 --> 00:27:07,714
Speaker 4: splashing Painton being in newspapers, it's still do I like

649
00:27:07,754 --> 00:27:11,513
Speaker 4: this guy? Oh he's got another girlfriend. Oh, like my

650
00:27:11,634 --> 00:27:13,034
Speaker 4: visa might run out and I have to go back

651
00:27:13,034 --> 00:27:15,674
Speaker 4: to Chicago. Like, there's still human stories in the middle

652
00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:17,714
Speaker 4: of it, even if it is a little bit ridiculous

653
00:27:17,714 --> 00:27:18,074
Speaker 4: at times.

654
00:27:18,114 --> 00:27:20,874
Speaker 6: And as the host of The Spill Laura Boddick would say,

655
00:27:20,954 --> 00:27:22,754
Speaker 6: the show really holds a mirror up to you and

656
00:27:22,794 --> 00:27:23,553
Speaker 6: your worst treats.

657
00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:25,833
Speaker 1: So if you're on the edge of your seat and

658
00:27:25,874 --> 00:27:27,754
Speaker 1: can't wait for season five to drop, you in the

659
00:27:27,754 --> 00:27:29,914
Speaker 1: same boat as us. But we're going to talk about

660
00:27:29,954 --> 00:27:33,914
Speaker 1: some really, really crazy theories on what people think could

661
00:27:33,994 --> 00:27:36,194
Speaker 1: be coming up. We don't know if they're true or not,

662
00:27:36,234 --> 00:27:38,394
Speaker 1: but we're going to unpack them, as well as the

663
00:27:38,434 --> 00:27:40,553
Speaker 1: new cast editions that are going to be joining the

664
00:27:40,634 --> 00:27:42,314
Speaker 1: Emily in Paris crew in season five.

665
00:27:42,874 --> 00:27:52,594
Speaker 9: Na Okay, so we've talked about where all the characters are,

666
00:27:52,634 --> 00:27:54,634
Speaker 9: but let's talk a little bit about what's been happening

667
00:27:54,634 --> 00:27:55,794
Speaker 9: with the cast in real life.

668
00:27:55,794 --> 00:27:57,954
Speaker 1: Because one thing that really cut me up a little

669
00:27:57,954 --> 00:28:00,154
Speaker 1: bit and all my friends who watch Emily in Paris

670
00:28:00,554 --> 00:28:04,513
Speaker 1: was Ashley Park, who plays Mindy Chen's breakup because she

671
00:28:04,914 --> 00:28:08,194
Speaker 1: was together in real life with Paul Former, who plays Nicola,

672
00:28:08,634 --> 00:28:12,274
Speaker 1: and they have reportedly broken up nearly two years of dating.

673
00:28:12,674 --> 00:28:14,954
Speaker 3: So sad, but so convenient that he's gone from the show.

674
00:28:16,594 --> 00:28:17,234
Speaker 5: Very interesting.

675
00:28:17,274 --> 00:28:18,994
Speaker 3: Could you imagine having had to do that?

676
00:28:19,194 --> 00:28:19,394
Speaker 6: Yung?

677
00:28:19,554 --> 00:28:21,194
Speaker 3: I know, awkward at apologies.

678
00:28:21,234 --> 00:28:23,514
Speaker 4: Back to the real romance. So they were a beautiful couple.

679
00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:25,273
Speaker 4: So I was very upset about that. I thought they

680
00:28:25,314 --> 00:28:25,994
Speaker 4: were like endgame.

681
00:28:26,154 --> 00:28:28,114
Speaker 1: They really were, And you know, they met on the

682
00:28:28,114 --> 00:28:30,714
Speaker 1: set of season three in twenty twenty two, and then

683
00:28:30,714 --> 00:28:33,874
Speaker 1: they made their romance public in twenty twenty four. Ashley

684
00:28:33,874 --> 00:28:36,954
Speaker 1: had had this big health scare and hospitalization so it

685
00:28:37,074 --> 00:28:39,634
Speaker 1: started out as chanceliitis when she was on holiday in

686
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,554
Speaker 1: the Maldives, and then it spiraled into septic shock and

687
00:28:42,594 --> 00:28:44,714
Speaker 1: he was really there for her. And I remember seeing

688
00:28:44,754 --> 00:28:47,914
Speaker 1: her put up this Instagram post being like grateful most

689
00:28:47,914 --> 00:28:51,394
Speaker 1: of all to at Porfman being unconditionally by my side.

690
00:28:51,474 --> 00:28:54,434
Speaker 1: I love you very I love them, and I think

691
00:28:54,474 --> 00:28:56,714
Speaker 1: everyone you know this show is so much about escapism

692
00:28:56,754 --> 00:28:59,274
Speaker 1: and what adds to escapism by the layer of shipping

693
00:28:59,314 --> 00:29:01,234
Speaker 1: your favorite couples in real life.

694
00:29:01,274 --> 00:29:02,714
Speaker 5: Oh god, quite interesting.

695
00:29:02,754 --> 00:29:04,834
Speaker 6: I hated them together on the show, but I loved

696
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:06,194
Speaker 6: them as like a real life couple.

697
00:29:06,274 --> 00:29:09,434
Speaker 4: I just liked his character, like, didn't like their vibe,

698
00:29:09,434 --> 00:29:11,634
Speaker 4: but as real people, they just seemed really sweet.

699
00:29:11,914 --> 00:29:12,034
Speaker 8: Yea.

700
00:29:12,074 --> 00:29:12,314
Speaker 6: Yeah.

701
00:29:12,754 --> 00:29:15,594
Speaker 1: Interestingly, the chemistry I would say between those two characters,

702
00:29:15,594 --> 00:29:18,074
Speaker 1: as you say, not something amazing in Emily and Paris

703
00:29:18,074 --> 00:29:20,994
Speaker 1: on the show, but apparently their chemistry in real life

704
00:29:21,034 --> 00:29:23,634
Speaker 1: was popping from the get go, because Lily Collins has

705
00:29:23,634 --> 00:29:26,114
Speaker 1: said their chemistry was off the damn charts. She clocked

706
00:29:26,154 --> 00:29:29,034
Speaker 1: it really early. Ashley denied it. She was like, you know,

707
00:29:29,114 --> 00:29:31,554
Speaker 1: Lily saw the chemistry and was like, what's going on?

708
00:29:31,954 --> 00:29:34,794
Speaker 1: And I said nothing, I told you, I wasn't dating actors,

709
00:29:34,994 --> 00:29:37,634
Speaker 1: and then she says she did a loss of dignity tour,

710
00:29:37,754 --> 00:29:40,634
Speaker 1: admitting Lily, everyone we are so in love. I think

711
00:29:40,674 --> 00:29:43,074
Speaker 1: everyone can relate to that when you vehemently denied something

712
00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:44,634
Speaker 1: and then you have to be like, I was wrong.

713
00:29:45,434 --> 00:29:47,714
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems as though they've split. Neither of

714
00:29:47,714 --> 00:29:50,794
Speaker 1: them have made any public statements, but Ashley did go

715
00:29:50,874 --> 00:29:54,234
Speaker 1: to Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco's wedding alone. Not to

716
00:29:54,274 --> 00:29:55,834
Speaker 1: say you can't go to a wedding solo if you

717
00:29:55,914 --> 00:29:57,594
Speaker 1: have a partner, but this is just adding to the

718
00:29:57,594 --> 00:29:59,274
Speaker 1: fuel that people have took a speculation.

719
00:29:59,594 --> 00:30:00,474
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sad about that.

720
00:30:00,474 --> 00:30:01,034
Speaker 5: I'm sad too.

721
00:30:01,474 --> 00:30:03,954
Speaker 1: So while we're on the real life cast and what

722
00:30:03,994 --> 00:30:06,034
Speaker 1: they've been up to, Chelsea, I know you have some

723
00:30:06,114 --> 00:30:08,714
Speaker 1: thoughts on Luke s Bravo has been, you know, yapping

724
00:30:08,714 --> 00:30:09,514
Speaker 1: a little about.

725
00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:10,234
Speaker 5: His running his mouth.

726
00:30:11,834 --> 00:30:17,394
Speaker 6: Soe Miamily in Paris WhatsApp group hate Gabrielle, but no

727
00:30:17,434 --> 00:30:21,674
Speaker 6: one hates Gabrielle more than Lucas Bravos. So true, He's

728
00:30:21,674 --> 00:30:23,594
Speaker 6: said a lot over the years, I would say, so

729
00:30:23,634 --> 00:30:26,634
Speaker 6: he's complained about not having much creative freedom to do

730
00:30:26,674 --> 00:30:28,674
Speaker 6: what he wants with the character. He said he doesn't

731
00:30:28,674 --> 00:30:31,674
Speaker 6: really get the character anymore. He is a quote saying,

732
00:30:32,394 --> 00:30:34,354
Speaker 6: I tried for seasons to bring you onces, but we

733
00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:35,674
Speaker 6: don't have much liberty on set.

734
00:30:35,714 --> 00:30:37,274
Speaker 5: We cannot change a word or emotion.

735
00:30:38,274 --> 00:30:44,034
Speaker 6: So and he's also said that they spend five months

736
00:30:44,154 --> 00:30:46,994
Speaker 6: filming this show, and does he really want to spend

737
00:30:46,994 --> 00:30:49,154
Speaker 6: time doing something that doesn't really excite him anymore. So

738
00:30:49,194 --> 00:30:52,274
Speaker 6: clearly he's kind of checked out of this character a

739
00:30:52,354 --> 00:30:55,114
Speaker 6: little bit. And I do think it's very interesting that

740
00:30:55,794 --> 00:30:57,994
Speaker 6: we do see many male actors kind of feel this

741
00:30:58,034 --> 00:31:00,514
Speaker 6: way about projects that really put them on the map,

742
00:31:00,554 --> 00:31:06,674
Speaker 6: and particularly projects that really gear towards women and girls Twilight,

743
00:31:08,234 --> 00:31:10,914
Speaker 6: Jacob Elodie in the Kissing Booth. Yeah, and they really

744
00:31:10,914 --> 00:31:12,514
Speaker 6: don't get as much backlash as I.

745
00:31:12,394 --> 00:31:14,474
Speaker 5: Think they should. But when women do it.

746
00:31:14,514 --> 00:31:18,074
Speaker 6: I remember Catherine Heigel doing this years ago, obviously with

747
00:31:18,194 --> 00:31:19,874
Speaker 6: Knocked Up. She made some comments about it being a

748
00:31:19,914 --> 00:31:22,434
Speaker 6: little bit sexist, which I mean fair enough. Yeah, she

749
00:31:22,434 --> 00:31:24,474
Speaker 6: made some comments about grace Anatomy and the writing not

750
00:31:24,554 --> 00:31:28,714
Speaker 6: being great one particular season, and she got so much backlash.

751
00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:30,954
Speaker 6: I mean, she didn't really work for ten years, really

752
00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:33,314
Speaker 6: out of the spot like four just saying what she

753
00:31:33,354 --> 00:31:35,194
Speaker 6: thought about a show that she was on.

754
00:31:35,114 --> 00:31:37,594
Speaker 4: And giving quite nuanced opinions too, whereas the boys are

755
00:31:37,594 --> 00:31:39,954
Speaker 4: often quite silly, like Jacob Elordi with the Kissing Booth

756
00:31:40,034 --> 00:31:41,634
Speaker 4: is like, oh, I didn't see it. You didn't see

757
00:31:41,674 --> 00:31:44,314
Speaker 4: your own movie? Oh okay, and everyone's like, he's so funny.

758
00:31:44,354 --> 00:31:44,954
Speaker 1: I love him.

759
00:31:46,154 --> 00:31:47,994
Speaker 6: He was also like, oh it was ridiculous, Like I

760
00:31:47,994 --> 00:31:49,114
Speaker 6: didn't really want to be in and I'm like, well,

761
00:31:49,114 --> 00:31:50,314
Speaker 6: then why were you in it? Crazy?

762
00:31:50,354 --> 00:31:53,834
Speaker 1: They're saying that retrospectively. I mean he's saying Lucas Bravo

763
00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:56,314
Speaker 1: is saying all this while he's still going into another season.

764
00:31:56,114 --> 00:31:57,754
Speaker 5: Getting catching that check.

765
00:31:57,914 --> 00:31:59,634
Speaker 1: But you know, like he's.

766
00:31:59,514 --> 00:32:01,914
Speaker 4: Fighting for his character Lucas, and like, I wonder if

767
00:32:01,914 --> 00:32:03,834
Speaker 4: there'll be a bit stressed about it, because I think

768
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:05,834
Speaker 4: Lucas is like the rest of us. So many people

769
00:32:05,874 --> 00:32:08,034
Speaker 4: thought Gabrielle was like as much as he had a

770
00:32:08,074 --> 00:32:10,714
Speaker 4: love triangle, they found him charming, they found him lovable

771
00:32:10,714 --> 00:32:12,674
Speaker 4: in season one, and then they feel like his character

772
00:32:12,714 --> 00:32:14,594
Speaker 4: has just, I don't know, fallen off a cliff. They

773
00:32:14,634 --> 00:32:16,594
Speaker 4: don't understand what's happened to him, and it's like Lucas

774
00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:20,474
Speaker 4: is like the number one me too, into Darren Staht's

775
00:32:20,474 --> 00:32:22,954
Speaker 4: office and he's like, fixed my character and it's obviously

776
00:32:23,034 --> 00:32:24,714
Speaker 4: not working. So he's taken it to the streets. He's

777
00:32:24,754 --> 00:32:26,994
Speaker 4: taking it to like vox pops and interviews, because he

778
00:32:27,034 --> 00:32:29,314
Speaker 4: did an interview where he said, and this is kind

779
00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:31,354
Speaker 4: of off the back of what you've said. He was

780
00:32:31,394 --> 00:32:34,314
Speaker 4: filming the scene where he like Genevieve kissed him in

781
00:32:34,354 --> 00:32:37,274
Speaker 4: season four, and in the interview he was like, oh,

782
00:32:37,354 --> 00:32:40,274
Speaker 4: I was playing it kind of like he's not wanting this.

783
00:32:40,434 --> 00:32:42,554
Speaker 4: He's like, I love Emily, I actively want to be

784
00:32:42,634 --> 00:32:44,634
Speaker 4: with Emily. Why would I enjoy this? And the director

785
00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:46,554
Speaker 4: was like no, stop, He's meant to be a bit

786
00:32:46,594 --> 00:32:49,194
Speaker 4: curious and a bit excited. And Lucas was like why

787
00:32:49,474 --> 00:32:51,994
Speaker 4: why And he was like so whatever, I tried. Like

788
00:32:52,114 --> 00:32:54,874
Speaker 4: he's so clearly like over it that he's announcing to

789
00:32:54,874 --> 00:32:57,714
Speaker 4: the general public, like I tried, guys, I also know

790
00:32:57,754 --> 00:32:57,914
Speaker 4: what you.

791
00:32:57,954 --> 00:32:59,314
Speaker 5: Want same vein.

792
00:32:59,474 --> 00:33:01,354
Speaker 6: I have the theory that he refused to cut his

793
00:33:01,354 --> 00:33:03,834
Speaker 6: hair because he does look, let's be honest, like very

794
00:33:03,874 --> 00:33:08,674
Speaker 6: disheveled in giving Christoph from Moors, and I think he's

795
00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:10,194
Speaker 6: just sick of it, and he's like, I'm not gonna

796
00:33:10,194 --> 00:33:10,594
Speaker 6: cut hair.

797
00:33:10,674 --> 00:33:13,354
Speaker 5: But season five, we have seen the promotional pictures.

798
00:33:13,634 --> 00:33:17,554
Speaker 6: Season one, Gabrielle is back, short hair, He's looking clean,

799
00:33:17,674 --> 00:33:18,434
Speaker 6: he's looking.

800
00:33:18,594 --> 00:33:19,874
Speaker 1: Looking good, looking good.

801
00:33:19,914 --> 00:33:20,994
Speaker 5: I think we're coming back.

802
00:33:21,034 --> 00:33:22,914
Speaker 4: Do we think they've had a word with him or

803
00:33:23,074 --> 00:33:24,754
Speaker 4: has he had a word with them and they've worked

804
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:27,194
Speaker 4: out how to like maybe make his character more lovable again,

805
00:33:27,274 --> 00:33:28,554
Speaker 4: so he's willing to play bare.

806
00:33:28,914 --> 00:33:29,834
Speaker 5: Their hair is number one.

807
00:33:29,994 --> 00:33:34,754
Speaker 1: They've got a pr genius, much like Emily, Like guys,

808
00:33:34,754 --> 00:33:38,994
Speaker 1: I've solved it. Let's cut his hair well. Regardless of

809
00:33:39,074 --> 00:33:41,714
Speaker 1: what he said, Lucas Bravo is returning in season five,

810
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:44,474
Speaker 1: but there is one key character who isn't returning in

811
00:33:44,514 --> 00:33:46,434
Speaker 1: season five. Do you know who is it?

812
00:33:46,434 --> 00:33:50,714
Speaker 3: It's Cami Rizatt, who plays also Cammi, Cammi playing Cammy Cami,

813
00:33:51,074 --> 00:33:53,394
Speaker 3: and she was quite similar to Lucas last season when

814
00:33:53,394 --> 00:33:53,834
Speaker 3: it aired.

815
00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:56,714
Speaker 4: She was also in the press giving interviews like don't

816
00:33:56,754 --> 00:33:58,834
Speaker 4: know what's going on, don't understand it. She gave this

817
00:33:58,914 --> 00:34:00,754
Speaker 4: quote to Vogue of I'm going to be very honest,

818
00:34:00,754 --> 00:34:03,034
Speaker 4: I feel really disconnected from her this season. I really

819
00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:05,114
Speaker 4: don't understand her anymore. I wish for her to be

820
00:34:05,154 --> 00:34:08,714
Speaker 4: happy like that. She just was so like like Lucas, going,

821
00:34:08,754 --> 00:34:11,274
Speaker 4: what the hell have you done to my character? Who

822
00:34:11,314 --> 00:34:14,634
Speaker 4: is this woman? And obviously decided that being on the

823
00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:16,794
Speaker 4: show was no longer something that she wanted to do.

824
00:34:17,194 --> 00:34:19,354
Speaker 4: In an interview with Deadline, Darren Starr kind of said

825
00:34:19,354 --> 00:34:21,274
Speaker 4: that she was written off the show because her story

826
00:34:21,354 --> 00:34:23,714
Speaker 4: kind of had a natural finish. Obviously we know that,

827
00:34:23,754 --> 00:34:25,394
Speaker 4: like by the end of season four, it was revealed

828
00:34:25,394 --> 00:34:28,354
Speaker 4: that she'd had like a false pregnancy with Gabrielle. But

829
00:34:28,434 --> 00:34:30,394
Speaker 4: on her own Instagram, she said that like her exit

830
00:34:30,434 --> 00:34:32,433
Speaker 4: was by design. She was like she was ready to

831
00:34:32,434 --> 00:34:34,873
Speaker 4: part ways with Netflix over the show. She wrote about

832
00:34:34,874 --> 00:34:37,154
Speaker 4: all of her other projects coming up, so similar to Lucas,

833
00:34:37,234 --> 00:34:39,834
Speaker 4: probably like these sorts of shows take up your whole

834
00:34:39,834 --> 00:34:41,393
Speaker 4: life really, so if you're going to be on it

835
00:34:41,474 --> 00:34:43,393
Speaker 4: and it's not fulfilling, I guess you might decide it's

836
00:34:43,434 --> 00:34:43,993
Speaker 4: time to leave.

837
00:34:44,434 --> 00:34:46,274
Speaker 1: I could make it work a few months in Paris,

838
00:34:46,314 --> 00:34:47,714
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It looks pretty fun, would it

839
00:34:47,794 --> 00:34:47,914
Speaker 1: be me.

840
00:34:47,994 --> 00:34:49,594
Speaker 4: I'd be having the time of my life, Like I'd

841
00:34:49,594 --> 00:34:51,194
Speaker 4: be a background extra on that show, and I'd go,

842
00:34:51,274 --> 00:34:55,034
Speaker 4: let's do a decade in the background. Yeah, but she

843
00:34:55,074 --> 00:34:56,634
Speaker 4: did say that the characters meant a lot to her.

844
00:34:56,634 --> 00:34:58,473
Speaker 4: She just feels like the stories come to an end

845
00:34:58,554 --> 00:35:00,234
Speaker 4: and it's time for her to do something else. But

846
00:35:00,274 --> 00:35:02,114
Speaker 4: I think she's not fully closing the door, like maybe

847
00:35:02,154 --> 00:35:03,873
Speaker 4: she'd make a cameo in season seven.

848
00:35:03,914 --> 00:35:06,714
Speaker 6: Who knows, I'll miss coming Actually, yeah, I know it's contentious,

849
00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:09,234
Speaker 6: but I I really love her style, Like yeah, a

850
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:09,754
Speaker 6: style like.

851
00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,154
Speaker 1: On for sure, and she's so quintessentially French.

852
00:35:12,354 --> 00:35:14,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the best way, she's so cool.

853
00:35:14,394 --> 00:35:16,234
Speaker 4: And I've seen so many fans kind of feel what

854
00:35:16,274 --> 00:35:17,634
Speaker 4: you feel of like that thing of like I really

855
00:35:17,714 --> 00:35:20,154
Speaker 4: loved her before they seem to ruin her character like

856
00:35:20,234 --> 00:35:22,834
Speaker 4: season one Gorgeous Girl was written for her.

857
00:35:23,034 --> 00:35:26,553
Speaker 1: Was not rooting Emily, absolutely not. Well, we know she's

858
00:35:26,594 --> 00:35:28,674
Speaker 1: not coming back, but let's talk about what we do

859
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,354
Speaker 1: know going into the new season, because we know there's

860
00:35:31,394 --> 00:35:34,913
Speaker 1: a new guy on the block. He is Jake. He's

861
00:35:34,954 --> 00:35:38,194
Speaker 1: another American living in Paris not to steal Emily's thunder,

862
00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:41,993
Speaker 1: played by Brian Greenberg of One Tree Hill and Bridewall's

863
00:35:42,034 --> 00:35:44,634
Speaker 1: Fame Chelse. What do we know about this character and

864
00:35:44,674 --> 00:35:46,314
Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen with him.

865
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,154
Speaker 6: We don't know a whole lot about him. I will say,

866
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:51,434
Speaker 6: Brian Greenberg, we agree.

867
00:35:51,354 --> 00:35:53,154
Speaker 3: The most beautiful man to ever do it.

868
00:35:53,274 --> 00:35:55,513
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's hard when you're up against the likes

869
00:35:55,514 --> 00:35:57,593
Speaker 1: of your Gabriell's, your alfies, Like it's Steve.

870
00:36:01,914 --> 00:36:04,834
Speaker 6: He's hot, he's gorgeous and bibles. He plays this like

871
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,794
Speaker 6: journalist and working. Is it the New New York magazine?

872
00:36:07,794 --> 00:36:09,393
Speaker 6: I can't remember that. He's just like big journalists and

873
00:36:09,394 --> 00:36:10,553
Speaker 6: he's very sensitive and.

874
00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:12,554
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the girl is well, yeah, remember him from

875
00:36:12,594 --> 00:36:14,714
Speaker 4: like One Tree Hill if they watched it. He's in

876
00:36:14,754 --> 00:36:17,393
Speaker 4: the MINDI project at one point. Yeah, he's this is

877
00:36:17,434 --> 00:36:18,433
Speaker 4: his new moment to shine.

878
00:36:18,514 --> 00:36:20,274
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of those actors that I think deserves

879
00:36:20,314 --> 00:36:20,794
Speaker 5: to be.

880
00:36:20,634 --> 00:36:21,513
Speaker 3: A bit of a bigger deal.

881
00:36:21,594 --> 00:36:23,114
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm much bigger deal. We don't know a

882
00:36:23,154 --> 00:36:26,594
Speaker 5: lot about him. My prediction is that he is going

883
00:36:26,674 --> 00:36:28,314
Speaker 5: to be a little bit of a new love atrist

884
00:36:28,434 --> 00:36:31,314
Speaker 5: not endgame necessarily. Yes, I reckon he's going to be

885
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:33,634
Speaker 5: a bit of a work rival. It's gonna be a

886
00:36:33,674 --> 00:36:34,714
Speaker 5: bit of an enemy's.

887
00:36:34,394 --> 00:36:37,474
Speaker 6: To lovers arc where like they clash. He's kind of

888
00:36:37,554 --> 00:36:40,354
Speaker 6: very assimilated into French culture and he's still kind of

889
00:36:40,354 --> 00:36:42,154
Speaker 6: trying to do that. So they're kind of butting heads

890
00:36:42,354 --> 00:36:43,994
Speaker 6: and then they kind of work together and figure it

891
00:36:44,034 --> 00:36:44,914
Speaker 6: out and maybe something.

892
00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:47,033
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been some set photos of them like where

893
00:36:47,034 --> 00:36:49,114
Speaker 4: like he's in a suite, she's in like a workout fit.

894
00:36:49,154 --> 00:36:50,314
Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, we're going to get some

895
00:36:50,314 --> 00:36:53,034
Speaker 4: good like professional clashes. I'm on your wavelength. I do

896
00:36:53,074 --> 00:36:54,754
Speaker 4: think if we look at this in the scope of

897
00:36:54,914 --> 00:36:57,073
Speaker 4: I guess his other shows that he's done six seven

898
00:36:57,114 --> 00:36:59,594
Speaker 4: seasons whatever they may be, Like if we're on season

899
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,634
Speaker 4: five and he wants to keep it going and he

900
00:37:01,634 --> 00:37:03,994
Speaker 4: doesn't want to do this love triangle thing every five seconds,

901
00:37:04,034 --> 00:37:05,873
Speaker 4: but he has an endgame in mind. We're gonna have

902
00:37:05,914 --> 00:37:08,754
Speaker 4: to have new new love interest, new things that happen.

903
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:10,873
Speaker 4: So I think it's a really interesting like maybe this

904
00:37:10,954 --> 00:37:12,314
Speaker 4: is her aiden from Sex and the.

905
00:37:12,274 --> 00:37:14,194
Speaker 3: City, Maybe this is her storyline for that.

906
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:17,794
Speaker 4: Who could say, But like, you know, you need a

907
00:37:17,794 --> 00:37:19,873
Speaker 4: little something fresh, and I'm excited for that.

908
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:22,714
Speaker 1: In terms of other I guess season five predictions, I

909
00:37:22,754 --> 00:37:24,514
Speaker 1: think a lot of fans do want a bit of

910
00:37:24,554 --> 00:37:26,714
Speaker 1: an Alfhi redemption arc because he didn't get a lot

911
00:37:26,714 --> 00:37:29,234
Speaker 1: of time in season four beautiful Boy. Yeah, we want

912
00:37:29,234 --> 00:37:31,114
Speaker 1: to see him come back. I don't know if that's

913
00:37:31,154 --> 00:37:33,194
Speaker 1: going to be in a romantic sense. I don't know

914
00:37:33,434 --> 00:37:36,034
Speaker 1: if there'll be a spinoff one day, like Alfie and Athens,

915
00:37:36,314 --> 00:37:39,993
Speaker 1: he goes to a last guard. But I did read

916
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:42,714
Speaker 1: a crazy fan theory because I love to get into

917
00:37:42,754 --> 00:37:45,433
Speaker 1: the little reddit threads of Emily in Paris and see

918
00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:47,674
Speaker 1: what the crazy people are saying. I mean the crazy

919
00:37:47,674 --> 00:37:50,393
Speaker 1: people that I identify with them. And I did read

920
00:37:50,434 --> 00:37:53,394
Speaker 1: one about how Alfi turns into a full on villain

921
00:37:53,514 --> 00:37:57,554
Speaker 1: arc post breakup, and it was written as brooding brit

922
00:37:57,634 --> 00:38:01,994
Speaker 1: hacks Emily's insta for full revenge scandal, then proposes marriage

923
00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:05,594
Speaker 1: as final ultimatum. In airport scene, fans meme him as

924
00:38:05,674 --> 00:38:06,874
Speaker 1: Brexit Bond villain.

925
00:38:07,234 --> 00:38:08,154
Speaker 5: I'm not mad about that.

926
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,394
Speaker 3: Where has this come from?

927
00:38:10,634 --> 00:38:14,034
Speaker 1: It was late at night, me and my community, we'reout

928
00:38:14,074 --> 00:38:15,434
Speaker 1: thinking about what could be coming.

929
00:38:16,114 --> 00:38:18,234
Speaker 4: Okay, So the theory is that like he's just going

930
00:38:18,314 --> 00:38:21,194
Speaker 4: to become a bit of a villain then, like a

931
00:38:21,234 --> 00:38:24,474
Speaker 4: Bond villain style, and he's gonna like hack her professional career.

932
00:38:25,034 --> 00:38:28,234
Speaker 1: Yes, I teached him sort of logging on going Live, Yeah,

933
00:38:28,354 --> 00:38:29,473
Speaker 1: saying problematic things.

934
00:38:29,514 --> 00:38:31,314
Speaker 4: Then he's like take me back, kind of like last

935
00:38:31,314 --> 00:38:33,714
Speaker 4: time when like Kemie's brother was like on TikTok being

936
00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:34,873
Speaker 4: like they slandering her.

937
00:38:34,954 --> 00:38:36,434
Speaker 3: Okay, so she's going to be slandered.

938
00:38:36,674 --> 00:38:39,513
Speaker 5: The final ultimatum confuses me, so he's going to be like.

939
00:38:39,714 --> 00:38:42,714
Speaker 1: Take me back or I won't give you the logomail

940
00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:46,194
Speaker 1: always goods like an Emily emparass situation. I do want

941
00:38:46,194 --> 00:38:47,393
Speaker 1: to get on the front foot and say this is

942
00:38:47,394 --> 00:38:48,714
Speaker 1: not what I think is gonna happen.

943
00:38:48,754 --> 00:38:50,594
Speaker 3: It's just just a fan theory.

944
00:38:50,754 --> 00:38:53,914
Speaker 4: Something exciting might happen, though, because he spoke to People Magazine,

945
00:38:53,994 --> 00:38:56,873
Speaker 4: like literally very recently, and he said, I think this

946
00:38:56,914 --> 00:38:58,634
Speaker 4: season we'll see a different side of Alfie.

947
00:38:58,634 --> 00:38:59,433
Speaker 3: Could be an evil side.

948
00:38:59,434 --> 00:39:01,393
Speaker 4: Who could say for sure, but he said it was

949
00:39:01,394 --> 00:39:04,314
Speaker 4: maybe a more adventurous side. But he said, Alfie's out there,

950
00:39:04,394 --> 00:39:05,873
Speaker 4: you know. I just want to tell you guys, I'm

951
00:39:05,874 --> 00:39:08,033
Speaker 4: holding back. So he was holding back from People mag

952
00:39:08,034 --> 00:39:09,593
Speaker 4: He didn't want to spill the tea, but he said,

953
00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:12,114
Speaker 4: it's crazy. I think there's always a kind of scope

954
00:39:12,154 --> 00:39:15,034
Speaker 4: in the Emily in Paris universe for anything to happen.

955
00:39:15,394 --> 00:39:17,794
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is always scope for Emily to do anything.

956
00:39:17,834 --> 00:39:19,554
Speaker 1: We never know what's going to happen in this show,

957
00:39:19,594 --> 00:39:21,634
Speaker 1: and I think the new trailer that's dropped for season

958
00:39:21,634 --> 00:39:23,874
Speaker 1: five is actually a really good example of that, because

959
00:39:24,194 --> 00:39:26,314
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I don't think any of us

960
00:39:26,314 --> 00:39:29,954
Speaker 1: predicted happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks

961
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,394
Speaker 1: like Alphie and Mindy are gonna have a little something

962
00:39:32,434 --> 00:39:34,393
Speaker 1: this season, and I don't know how to feel about it.

963
00:39:34,434 --> 00:39:35,354
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?

964
00:39:35,794 --> 00:39:38,433
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is controversial, but I love it.

965
00:39:39,034 --> 00:39:43,634
Speaker 6: I love Alfhie, I love Mindy. I think it makes sense.

966
00:39:44,354 --> 00:39:47,754
Speaker 6: I also think Alfie's arc with Emily kind of came

967
00:39:48,114 --> 00:39:51,354
Speaker 6: to an end and it didn't seem like anything was going.

968
00:39:51,354 --> 00:39:51,794
Speaker 5: To happen there.

969
00:39:51,874 --> 00:39:54,913
Speaker 6: I also have never really been rooting for Emily and

970
00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:57,874
Speaker 6: Alfie together really since the beginning. I think she doesn't

971
00:39:57,874 --> 00:40:00,873
Speaker 6: treat him well he deserves better, and Mindy, being the

972
00:40:00,914 --> 00:40:02,754
Speaker 6: queen that she is, I think it's a perfect pairing.

973
00:40:02,994 --> 00:40:05,393
Speaker 4: What do you think, Tina, I'm aligned like I just

974
00:40:05,394 --> 00:40:07,754
Speaker 4: don't see Alfie and Emily ending up together. That he's

975
00:40:07,754 --> 00:40:10,034
Speaker 4: too good for her and he deserves to find it's

976
00:40:10,034 --> 00:40:13,033
Speaker 4: happily ever after, and so does Mindy. I don't necessarily

977
00:40:13,034 --> 00:40:15,594
Speaker 4: want to see it become like them sneaking around behind

978
00:40:15,634 --> 00:40:17,674
Speaker 4: her back thing. I'm kind of hoping it's more like

979
00:40:18,194 --> 00:40:21,314
Speaker 4: she sees them having chemistry and is supportive and then

980
00:40:21,354 --> 00:40:23,074
Speaker 4: they hook up. But who could say, Maybe it's a

981
00:40:23,114 --> 00:40:25,074
Speaker 4: drunken hook up. Who knows, But either way, I'm pumped

982
00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:25,234
Speaker 4: for it.

983
00:40:25,274 --> 00:40:26,314
Speaker 3: I'm ready. What about you?

984
00:40:26,314 --> 00:40:31,674
Speaker 1: No, guys, I disagree. I'm very edry. And the reason

985
00:40:31,794 --> 00:40:33,994
Speaker 1: is not just because I'm team Alpi for Emily, but

986
00:40:34,514 --> 00:40:37,194
Speaker 1: I just think throughout Emily in Paris, it's one of

987
00:40:37,234 --> 00:40:38,873
Speaker 1: those shows where you know, the men sort of come

988
00:40:38,874 --> 00:40:41,194
Speaker 1: and go, and Mindy and Emily's friendship is one of

989
00:40:41,234 --> 00:40:43,634
Speaker 1: those stabilizing things. You know, they met on the park bench.

990
00:40:43,634 --> 00:40:45,714
Speaker 1: It's quite a meet cute. And for me, it's just

991
00:40:45,914 --> 00:40:47,754
Speaker 1: it's not a girl's girl move. I mean, I know

992
00:40:47,794 --> 00:40:49,393
Speaker 1: they're over, but I mean that's her ex.

993
00:40:49,634 --> 00:40:51,314
Speaker 5: What do I call Emily a girl's girl?

994
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:54,873
Speaker 1: Could call Mindy a girl's girl, And I feel like

995
00:40:54,914 --> 00:40:57,674
Speaker 1: this is going against those values. Also, in the trailer,

996
00:40:57,714 --> 00:40:59,794
Speaker 1: they don't actually fully kiss, but it looks like they're

997
00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:02,714
Speaker 1: doing some sort of dance situation. I'm like, is he

998
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:06,074
Speaker 1: joining Eurovisions. I don't really know what's happening there. I'm

999
00:41:06,074 --> 00:41:07,674
Speaker 1: just not for it. And it's not just because I

1000
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:09,194
Speaker 1: want him and Emily to end up together, because I

1001
00:41:09,234 --> 00:41:11,794
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna happen, But yeah, I just don't

1002
00:41:12,154 --> 00:41:14,034
Speaker 1: I'd be mad at Mindy if I was Emily. I

1003
00:41:14,074 --> 00:41:15,034
Speaker 1: don't know if that's unfair.

1004
00:41:15,154 --> 00:41:16,954
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of frustrating because we just spent

1005
00:41:17,074 --> 00:41:20,354
Speaker 4: several seasons watching a love triangle unfold between Gabrielle, Kemi

1006
00:41:20,474 --> 00:41:23,954
Speaker 4: and Emily and like then also Gabrielle, Alfie and Emily,

1007
00:41:23,954 --> 00:41:25,514
Speaker 4: and like we've been doing the love triangle thing with

1008
00:41:25,554 --> 00:41:29,154
Speaker 4: like friendship dynamics and betrayal and cheating, and I just

1009
00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:31,034
Speaker 4: don't want to see that again. I don't need her

1010
00:41:31,034 --> 00:41:33,594
Speaker 4: to go through yet another situation where like one of

1011
00:41:33,634 --> 00:41:35,994
Speaker 4: her girlfriends and her are feuding over a boy. So

1012
00:41:35,994 --> 00:41:38,154
Speaker 4: I'm also hoping that, like we just clear the air

1013
00:41:38,194 --> 00:41:40,473
Speaker 4: before any of this starts. Like Alfie just doesn't seem

1014
00:41:40,554 --> 00:41:42,634
Speaker 4: interested in her. He sent Gabrielle off to Paris, so

1015
00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:44,873
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that, like they have a friendship before this

1016
00:41:44,914 --> 00:41:47,554
Speaker 4: all happens, and it's very clear, it's like we're all

1017
00:41:47,594 --> 00:41:49,873
Speaker 4: good no one's in fighting, and then you can feel

1018
00:41:49,874 --> 00:41:51,433
Speaker 4: fine about the fact that everyone's a girl's girl.

1019
00:41:51,554 --> 00:41:54,634
Speaker 6: I'm also like quite happy with kind of like gossip

1020
00:41:54,634 --> 00:41:57,754
Speaker 6: girl right, like who cares Like Who kiss? Serena dates Dan,

1021
00:41:57,954 --> 00:42:01,034
Speaker 6: Serena Date's Night, Blair dates Dan. I'm really for that,

1022
00:42:01,194 --> 00:42:03,674
Speaker 6: just like mix it up. You know, it's Emily Paris happens.

1023
00:42:03,714 --> 00:42:05,994
Speaker 1: It's what I'm around. I think the real teaching here

1024
00:42:06,074 --> 00:42:09,114
Speaker 1: is that clearly there's smaller pool of men in Europe,

1025
00:42:09,314 --> 00:42:12,674
Speaker 1: like can't find anyone else and these gorgeous.

1026
00:42:12,274 --> 00:42:15,394
Speaker 4: Women, all the hobbits men in Europe are taken, so

1027
00:42:15,434 --> 00:42:16,234
Speaker 4: this is what's left.

1028
00:42:16,354 --> 00:42:18,714
Speaker 1: It is kind of interesting to see, Yeah, Alfie getting

1029
00:42:18,754 --> 00:42:21,634
Speaker 1: his own little arc here, and I suppose for the

1030
00:42:21,634 --> 00:42:23,874
Speaker 1: Alfie fans it is nice to see that he's definitely

1031
00:42:23,914 --> 00:42:25,834
Speaker 1: going to be there and have what seems like a

1032
00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:27,234
Speaker 1: bit of a presence in season five.

1033
00:42:27,354 --> 00:42:30,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, producers definitely caught onto the fact that we just

1034
00:42:30,394 --> 00:42:32,794
Speaker 6: love Alfie. I think maybe he was supposed to be

1035
00:42:32,834 --> 00:42:35,314
Speaker 6: on for like one or two seasons, but the fandom

1036
00:42:35,394 --> 00:42:37,034
Speaker 6: really just rallied around Alfie.

1037
00:42:37,034 --> 00:42:37,674
Speaker 5: We love him.

1038
00:42:37,834 --> 00:42:40,234
Speaker 6: There are so many stands online, so I don't think

1039
00:42:40,234 --> 00:42:41,954
Speaker 6: it makes sense for him to have his own little

1040
00:42:41,954 --> 00:42:44,714
Speaker 6: story and yeah, to have his own side plot and

1041
00:42:44,794 --> 00:42:47,394
Speaker 6: new new romance outside of the Emily universe.

1042
00:42:47,474 --> 00:42:49,314
Speaker 4: And this is very Netflix. Like they did the same

1043
00:42:49,354 --> 00:42:51,514
Speaker 4: thing with Steve Harrington in Stranger Things, Like he was

1044
00:42:51,554 --> 00:42:53,513
Speaker 4: supposed to get killed off at the end of season one,

1045
00:42:53,554 --> 00:42:55,514
Speaker 4: and the people were liking him so much in like

1046
00:42:55,594 --> 00:42:58,274
Speaker 4: test screenings, and like obviously the people working on set

1047
00:42:58,274 --> 00:43:00,354
Speaker 4: that they were like, no, we'll expand his character. Fan

1048
00:43:00,434 --> 00:43:02,433
Speaker 4: reactions were so strong, but they were like, cool, He's

1049
00:43:02,434 --> 00:43:04,913
Speaker 4: now the favorite forever and we treat him like a king.

1050
00:43:04,954 --> 00:43:06,754
Speaker 4: So Alfie's getting the Steve Harrington treatment.

1051
00:43:07,194 --> 00:43:10,514
Speaker 1: Could weirdly see him almost going on a similar character

1052
00:43:10,594 --> 00:43:13,314
Speaker 1: journey that Hugh Grant sort of was on in the

1053
00:43:13,394 --> 00:43:17,594
Speaker 1: second Bridget Jones and he I don't know. I could

1054
00:43:17,634 --> 00:43:20,794
Speaker 1: weirdly also see him being scouted as like a travel

1055
00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:24,154
Speaker 1: TV presenter. He's this like brit in Paris and he

1056
00:43:24,194 --> 00:43:26,994
Speaker 1: starts filming these segments to tourist.

1057
00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:31,354
Speaker 8: Why not thought into this man's character development? Probably none

1058
00:43:31,394 --> 00:43:32,993
Speaker 8: of it will see the Lane of Day, but you're

1059
00:43:33,034 --> 00:43:37,314
Speaker 8: on his personal LinkedIn page the career opportunities for hot.

1060
00:43:37,154 --> 00:43:40,994
Speaker 1: Breaks in Paris exactly. Well, one other thing I've been

1061
00:43:40,994 --> 00:43:43,154
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot is how much time do we

1062
00:43:43,234 --> 00:43:46,274
Speaker 1: think she's actually going to spend in Paris, because obviously

1063
00:43:46,354 --> 00:43:48,674
Speaker 1: we've discussed how she's now in Rome. But I just

1064
00:43:48,754 --> 00:43:51,954
Speaker 1: do feel like this show is all about Emily in Paris.

1065
00:43:52,314 --> 00:43:55,194
Speaker 1: And I mean Emmanuel Macron, the French president, was most

1066
00:43:55,314 --> 00:43:58,434
Speaker 1: upset when he found out that Emily would be leaving Paris.

1067
00:43:58,474 --> 00:44:00,993
Speaker 1: He said in his Variety interview last year, we will

1068
00:44:01,034 --> 00:44:03,634
Speaker 1: fight hard and we will ask them to remain in Paris.

1069
00:44:03,874 --> 00:44:07,034
Speaker 1: Emily in Paris in Rome doesn't make sense. But Rome's

1070
00:44:07,194 --> 00:44:10,034
Speaker 1: Mayo clapped back and said, take it easier, Manual Macron,

1071
00:44:10,114 --> 00:44:11,674
Speaker 1: Emily in Rome is perfect.

1072
00:44:12,354 --> 00:44:12,834
Speaker 5: So funny.

1073
00:44:12,834 --> 00:44:15,554
Speaker 3: I mean, I love the geopolitical discourse this true starts.

1074
00:44:15,594 --> 00:44:18,913
Speaker 4: It's very important, it has depth, and it's so funny that, yeah,

1075
00:44:18,954 --> 00:44:21,474
Speaker 4: like you were saying earlier, like French people reacted with

1076
00:44:21,514 --> 00:44:24,594
Speaker 4: some French people not all reacted quite poorly to Emily

1077
00:44:24,594 --> 00:44:27,234
Speaker 4: in Paris as like, yeah, like this mischaracterization of their people,

1078
00:44:27,274 --> 00:44:28,913
Speaker 4: and like they're allowed to think that. But then the

1079
00:44:28,914 --> 00:44:31,074
Speaker 4: French president is coming out of being like come back,

1080
00:44:31,074 --> 00:44:32,514
Speaker 4: please give the tourism money.

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Speaker 1: You're a really big part of us. Now actually really

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Speaker 1: big part of our culture. So do you guys think

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Speaker 1: we are going to maybe see the first few episodes

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Speaker 1: in Rome and then something brings her back to Paris? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I reckon she'll be back and forth. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: is it a couple hours flight? Maybe we should map

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Speaker 4: that one out like a hop on the Google maps.

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Speaker 4: But I do think she'll be back and forth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that too.

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Speaker 6: I also maybe future seasons we can have like based

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Speaker 6: in Paris, I would watch like Emily in Tokyo Emily

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Speaker 6: and Soul.

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Speaker 5: Where else can I don't know, just ch just not Chicago.

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Speaker 1: All right, good plan we've got for Emily there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today to get across

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Speaker 1: everything that you need to know before Emily in Paris

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Speaker 1: season five. So all ten episodes are going to be

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Speaker 1: dropping at once on Thursday, the eighteenth of December. And

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Speaker 1: don't worry, we've got your holiday listening sorted because we've

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Speaker 1: the new season. So just make sure you've clicked follow

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Speaker 1: deep diving with us, and if you're looking for more,

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Speaker 1: the scenes and story of Wicked for Good but I

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Speaker 1: really think you'll love. And there's also whole seasons on

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Speaker 1: Nobody Wants This and the Summer Attend Pretty So whatever

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Speaker 7: Bye bye, Mamma.

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Speaker 2: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have

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