1 00:00:10,327 --> 00:00:13,087 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,727 --> 00:00:16,767 Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,807 --> 00:00:23,407 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 4 00:00:23,447 --> 00:00:26,287 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about. 5 00:00:26,327 --> 00:00:30,327 Speaker 2: On Monday, the twenty fifth of November. I am Holly Wainwright, 6 00:00:30,567 --> 00:00:31,007 Speaker 2: I am. 7 00:00:30,847 --> 00:00:33,087 Speaker 3: Mia Friedman, I'm Jesse Stevens. 8 00:00:33,127 --> 00:00:36,327 Speaker 2: And on the show today Holly bowls and Bianca Jones 9 00:00:36,407 --> 00:00:40,407 Speaker 2: and methanol poisoning Understanding what has happened in a popular 10 00:00:40,527 --> 00:00:44,647 Speaker 2: backpacking town. Also, Nicole Kidman is an enigma wrapped in 11 00:00:44,687 --> 00:00:48,367 Speaker 2: a riddle as always's that happy divorce pap shot really 12 00:00:48,407 --> 00:00:51,487 Speaker 2: fake as she's telling us? And why does she work 13 00:00:51,567 --> 00:00:55,167 Speaker 2: like she's running out of time? Also Heath Ledger, Jacob Laudie, 14 00:00:55,167 --> 00:00:58,927 Speaker 2: Timothy Shallomey, Dev Patel Pormascale, Harry Styles. No, it's not 15 00:00:59,007 --> 00:01:01,647 Speaker 2: my fantasy football team. They are all men who are 16 00:01:01,647 --> 00:01:05,447 Speaker 2: the subject of super cool celebrity lookalike contests. But why 17 00:01:05,647 --> 00:01:06,567 Speaker 2: the sausage fest? 18 00:01:06,887 --> 00:01:10,447 Speaker 1: But first, in case you missed it. In upsetting news 19 00:01:10,447 --> 00:01:13,647 Speaker 1: for everyone who did singing for their HSC, many theaters 20 00:01:13,687 --> 00:01:17,327 Speaker 1: are imposing strict no singing rules for anyone who's going 21 00:01:17,327 --> 00:01:18,647 Speaker 1: to see Wicked at the movies. 22 00:01:18,847 --> 00:01:20,087 Speaker 2: That's not fun, which. 23 00:01:20,007 --> 00:01:22,247 Speaker 1: Explains why I haven't seen it yet. I feel personally 24 00:01:22,327 --> 00:01:25,847 Speaker 1: attacked by these rules. The movie of the famous Broadway 25 00:01:25,927 --> 00:01:29,407 Speaker 1: musical finally came out last week. It stars Ariana Grande 26 00:01:29,487 --> 00:01:33,047 Speaker 1: and Cynthia Arrivo, who have been on quite an iconic 27 00:01:33,127 --> 00:01:35,087 Speaker 1: press tour for most of this year. I don't know 28 00:01:35,127 --> 00:01:37,847 Speaker 1: if you've seen some of the clips that have gone 29 00:01:37,887 --> 00:01:41,727 Speaker 1: viral about their interviews, including one amazing meme where through 30 00:01:41,767 --> 00:01:47,927 Speaker 1: the whole interview, Ariana just holds Cynthia's fake fingernail, which 31 00:01:47,967 --> 00:01:50,687 Speaker 1: is attached to Cynthia's hand to be clear, but. 32 00:01:50,687 --> 00:01:51,807 Speaker 3: She's clutching at it. 33 00:01:51,807 --> 00:01:55,487 Speaker 1: It's very extra anyway, super Fans of the Broadway musical 34 00:01:55,527 --> 00:01:57,807 Speaker 1: are so excited about the release of the film, which 35 00:01:57,847 --> 00:02:00,767 Speaker 1: is I must add, just part one. There were two parts, 36 00:02:01,847 --> 00:02:04,327 Speaker 1: and this is just the beginning. People are so excited 37 00:02:04,367 --> 00:02:06,847 Speaker 1: that they're dressing up and they're wanting to go to 38 00:02:06,887 --> 00:02:11,647 Speaker 1: the theater and sing along. The biggest American theater company, 39 00:02:11,687 --> 00:02:15,447 Speaker 1: the Movie Theater AMC, is asking that moviegoers dress up, 40 00:02:15,567 --> 00:02:18,447 Speaker 1: no problem, but they're saying no singing in the theater 41 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:21,167 Speaker 1: and they are playing a thirty second ad before every 42 00:02:21,207 --> 00:02:25,287 Speaker 1: movie that says, at AMC theaters, silence is golden. No talking, 43 00:02:25,327 --> 00:02:28,767 Speaker 1: no texting, no singing, no whaling, no flirting, no whaling, 44 00:02:29,167 --> 00:02:33,207 Speaker 1: and absolutely no name calling. Enjoy the magic of movies. Well, 45 00:02:33,607 --> 00:02:36,527 Speaker 1: what's the point and going to the movie if you 46 00:02:36,567 --> 00:02:37,727 Speaker 1: can't do any of those things. 47 00:02:37,727 --> 00:02:39,967 Speaker 3: I kind of get it, because if I'm going to 48 00:02:40,167 --> 00:02:42,607 Speaker 3: see Wicket, a movie ticket's not cheap. It's the same 49 00:02:42,607 --> 00:02:45,447 Speaker 3: thing with a musical or a concert where you go 50 00:02:45,567 --> 00:02:48,447 Speaker 3: and you sort of you do want to hear the act. 51 00:02:48,687 --> 00:02:52,727 Speaker 3: I understand that, But generally what is laid out here 52 00:02:52,767 --> 00:02:56,007 Speaker 3: by the theater is just general etiquette in terms of 53 00:02:56,007 --> 00:02:58,447 Speaker 3: if you're sitting in a theater, it would be weird 54 00:02:58,487 --> 00:03:00,807 Speaker 3: if you belted out defying gravity. 55 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:03,447 Speaker 1: That would be weird, but it wouldn't really because if 56 00:03:03,487 --> 00:03:05,967 Speaker 1: you were any of the many millions of people who 57 00:03:05,967 --> 00:03:10,607 Speaker 1: went to for example, the Beyonce movie film Concert film, 58 00:03:11,047 --> 00:03:13,927 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift one, both of which came out this year. 59 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,527 Speaker 1: That was the whole point that people it was a 60 00:03:16,527 --> 00:03:17,527 Speaker 1: little bit like their concept. 61 00:03:17,687 --> 00:03:20,127 Speaker 3: Yes, but there's a specific like sing along. I've been 62 00:03:20,167 --> 00:03:22,487 Speaker 3: to sing Along musical, yes, where it's like sing along 63 00:03:22,567 --> 00:03:25,967 Speaker 3: sound of music. It says that you go, you sing along, 64 00:03:26,447 --> 00:03:30,167 Speaker 3: and the theater also that had a distinction between if 65 00:03:30,207 --> 00:03:34,527 Speaker 3: you're eleven year old is humming, that's fine, we're not 66 00:03:34,607 --> 00:03:38,447 Speaker 3: throwing around. But if someone is going and is like 67 00:03:38,647 --> 00:03:41,527 Speaker 3: right behind you and it's singing very loudly in your ear, 68 00:03:41,607 --> 00:03:43,327 Speaker 3: it's antisocial behavior. 69 00:03:43,407 --> 00:03:46,127 Speaker 2: Remember the rule. It's the same in musicals. If you 70 00:03:46,167 --> 00:03:49,447 Speaker 2: want to show your super fun credentials, you mouth along 71 00:03:49,487 --> 00:03:50,207 Speaker 2: with the words. 72 00:03:50,447 --> 00:03:53,207 Speaker 1: You don't sing the same lip sync. 73 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:53,687 Speaker 3: Yeah. 74 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:56,367 Speaker 1: We went to see The Substance a little while ago, 75 00:03:56,607 --> 00:03:59,287 Speaker 1: and one of the things I loved so much about 76 00:03:59,367 --> 00:04:01,247 Speaker 1: seeing and I'd forgotten about seeing a movie in a 77 00:04:01,287 --> 00:04:04,447 Speaker 1: theater is the reactions of other people. Like at one 78 00:04:04,527 --> 00:04:09,807 Speaker 1: particularly confusing, confronting part, someone just shouted, what the fuck 79 00:04:09,927 --> 00:04:12,887 Speaker 1: is going on? And no one could answer that question, 80 00:04:13,247 --> 00:04:15,287 Speaker 1: and everyone started laughing because it's what we're all thinking. 81 00:04:15,327 --> 00:04:17,527 Speaker 3: That's why you go to the movies. It's the communal experience. 82 00:04:17,607 --> 00:04:19,887 Speaker 2: Sing on the inside. People sing on the inside. 83 00:04:20,327 --> 00:04:20,527 Speaker 1: Well. 84 00:04:20,567 --> 00:04:25,567 Speaker 4: Methanol is a clear liquid chemical that is often deliberately 85 00:04:25,647 --> 00:04:29,567 Speaker 4: and illegally added to alcoholic beverages, particularly in countries in 86 00:04:29,687 --> 00:04:31,247 Speaker 4: Southeast Asia because. 87 00:04:30,967 --> 00:04:33,847 Speaker 2: It's not an overstatement to say that this past weekend, 88 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:37,207 Speaker 2: the names and images of Bianca Jones and Holly Bowls 89 00:04:37,247 --> 00:04:40,207 Speaker 2: have been on every screen and hovering around every conversation. 90 00:04:40,887 --> 00:04:43,567 Speaker 2: They are the two young Australian women among the six 91 00:04:43,607 --> 00:04:46,207 Speaker 2: people who have now died after what appears to be 92 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:50,207 Speaker 2: a mass methanol poisoning incident in the traveler town of 93 00:04:50,327 --> 00:04:54,247 Speaker 2: vang vian in Lao. Holly and Bianca were both from 94 00:04:54,287 --> 00:04:57,847 Speaker 2: the Melbourne suburb of bo Morris. They both graduated high 95 00:04:57,847 --> 00:05:00,967 Speaker 2: school last year. They were both mad AFL players and 96 00:05:01,087 --> 00:05:04,847 Speaker 2: best friends on a big backpacking adventure around Southeast Asia. 97 00:05:05,727 --> 00:05:08,287 Speaker 2: Vang Viiyang is a well worn stop on that trail. 98 00:05:08,447 --> 00:05:11,607 Speaker 2: It's a tourist town famous for its river and backpackers 99 00:05:12,007 --> 00:05:15,247 Speaker 2: famously like float down that river on tire tubes with 100 00:05:15,287 --> 00:05:18,887 Speaker 2: their drinks in hands. And Holly and Bianca and the 101 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:21,807 Speaker 2: other victims of this poisoning all seem to have been 102 00:05:21,847 --> 00:05:24,847 Speaker 2: staying at one hostel called Nana on the main drag 103 00:05:24,887 --> 00:05:28,887 Speaker 2: of the town. Now Nana allegedly is or was, because 104 00:05:28,887 --> 00:05:31,007 Speaker 2: it has been closed down just in the last twenty 105 00:05:31,007 --> 00:05:33,087 Speaker 2: four hours, or at least shot for a while. While 106 00:05:33,087 --> 00:05:35,967 Speaker 2: investigations to take place. Is the kind of place that 107 00:05:36,047 --> 00:05:39,727 Speaker 2: offers free vodka shots to guests, and it's believed that 108 00:05:39,767 --> 00:05:42,207 Speaker 2: the alcohol being served there was drunk by all the 109 00:05:42,247 --> 00:05:46,727 Speaker 2: people who've since fallen seriously ill or died, including two 110 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:50,607 Speaker 2: young Danish women, an American man, and a twenty eight 111 00:05:50,647 --> 00:05:53,887 Speaker 2: year old British lawyer called Simone White. Eleven more people 112 00:05:53,927 --> 00:05:57,927 Speaker 2: are still in hospital now. The manager of that hostel 113 00:05:58,287 --> 00:06:01,207 Speaker 2: told a journalist from the Sydney Morning Herald that he 114 00:06:01,247 --> 00:06:04,127 Speaker 2: did give free shots of this particular vodka, which is 115 00:06:04,207 --> 00:06:07,167 Speaker 2: made in Lao called Tiger, and he says that it's 116 00:06:07,207 --> 00:06:10,407 Speaker 2: a gesture of hospitality. Cheap rooms, free happy hours are 117 00:06:10,407 --> 00:06:13,887 Speaker 2: all part of the experience, he said. Holly and Bianca 118 00:06:14,087 --> 00:06:17,287 Speaker 2: were found seriously unwell in that hostel in the morning 119 00:06:17,327 --> 00:06:20,447 Speaker 2: after that night and taken to two different hospitals in Thailand, 120 00:06:20,487 --> 00:06:23,807 Speaker 2: where they died just days apart. It's believed that this 121 00:06:23,927 --> 00:06:27,567 Speaker 2: vodka contained methanol, which is a chemical that should not 122 00:06:27,647 --> 00:06:31,727 Speaker 2: be drunk. It's common in like anti freeze and windscreen 123 00:06:31,887 --> 00:06:35,687 Speaker 2: washer fluid, and it is absolutely not for consumption, but 124 00:06:35,727 --> 00:06:38,007 Speaker 2: it finds its way into what we might call like 125 00:06:38,127 --> 00:06:42,687 Speaker 2: bootleg liquor. Because it's cheap to produce and in places 126 00:06:42,687 --> 00:06:45,887 Speaker 2: that maybe have lax regulations, it opts the alcohol content 127 00:06:45,967 --> 00:06:46,807 Speaker 2: of cheap boots. 128 00:06:47,007 --> 00:06:49,687 Speaker 1: Can any quantity of it be consumed safely? 129 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:52,887 Speaker 2: No, So it doesn't mean that anyone who's ever drunk 130 00:06:53,247 --> 00:06:55,927 Speaker 2: liquor that was laced with it will get that seriously ill. 131 00:06:55,967 --> 00:06:59,127 Speaker 2: That seems to be very much dependent on the quantity 132 00:06:59,247 --> 00:07:03,367 Speaker 2: the person obviously the percentages, but it should not be drunk. 133 00:07:03,407 --> 00:07:07,127 Speaker 2: Alcohol is usually made from ethanol, which is also a chemical, 134 00:07:07,167 --> 00:07:10,247 Speaker 2: but that is not I mean, obviously no amount of 135 00:07:10,287 --> 00:07:13,087 Speaker 2: alcohol it is entirely safe, but that's not toxic. But 136 00:07:13,167 --> 00:07:15,087 Speaker 2: methanol is absolute. 137 00:07:14,687 --> 00:07:18,407 Speaker 3: Well, the body can sort of metabolize ethanol, whereas methanol 138 00:07:18,767 --> 00:07:22,807 Speaker 3: it almost processes it into something called foremeldehyde, which is 139 00:07:22,847 --> 00:07:25,927 Speaker 3: what you use to embalm bodies, is what you've used 140 00:07:25,927 --> 00:07:29,167 Speaker 3: to preserve things, and organs can't function with that kind 141 00:07:29,167 --> 00:07:30,367 Speaker 3: of chemical in the body. 142 00:07:30,407 --> 00:07:33,047 Speaker 2: So what happens is you drink it. It has the 143 00:07:33,087 --> 00:07:35,927 Speaker 2: same effect as alcohol and how. 144 00:07:35,887 --> 00:07:37,767 Speaker 1: You drink it. So I just need to keep going 145 00:07:37,767 --> 00:07:39,847 Speaker 1: back because all the stories that I've been reading about this, 146 00:07:39,887 --> 00:07:41,767 Speaker 1: and I've been reading a lot about it over the 147 00:07:41,767 --> 00:07:45,047 Speaker 1: weekend and over the last week or so, because my 148 00:07:45,167 --> 00:07:48,047 Speaker 1: daughter just got back from a backpacking trip exactly the 149 00:07:48,047 --> 00:07:51,607 Speaker 1: same age as Holly in Bianca. She was not in Asia, 150 00:07:51,767 --> 00:07:53,727 Speaker 1: she was traveling in Europe, but she was staying at 151 00:07:53,727 --> 00:07:55,967 Speaker 1: backpackers and she would, you know, we would speak and 152 00:07:56,007 --> 00:07:58,967 Speaker 1: she'd be like, with there's free shots tonight, free happy 153 00:07:59,047 --> 00:08:02,167 Speaker 1: hour at the hostel. This is really common and I 154 00:08:02,207 --> 00:08:04,207 Speaker 1: think I've also been a backpack on myself, and so 155 00:08:04,247 --> 00:08:07,727 Speaker 1: I think everybody is having their heart broken for these 156 00:08:07,767 --> 00:08:11,047 Speaker 1: families because it just feels so close to home and 157 00:08:11,127 --> 00:08:13,127 Speaker 1: like it could have been any of us or any 158 00:08:13,127 --> 00:08:16,127 Speaker 1: of our kids. What I don't understand in everything that 159 00:08:16,167 --> 00:08:18,847 Speaker 1: I've read is if, as you say, whole and thanks 160 00:08:18,847 --> 00:08:22,327 Speaker 1: for that explanation, is it a mistake that it's in 161 00:08:22,367 --> 00:08:24,887 Speaker 1: the alcohol, If there's no level of it that's safe 162 00:08:24,927 --> 00:08:27,847 Speaker 1: to consume and it should never be consumed, I don't understand, 163 00:08:27,927 --> 00:08:29,807 Speaker 1: and people deliberately trying to poison people. 164 00:08:30,007 --> 00:08:32,207 Speaker 2: It doesn't well to be brutally honest, we don't know 165 00:08:32,247 --> 00:08:34,487 Speaker 2: the answer to that. But what is most likely to 166 00:08:34,527 --> 00:08:37,647 Speaker 2: be the case is that this alcohol is being produced 167 00:08:38,207 --> 00:08:41,447 Speaker 2: in very unregulated circumstances. So the journalist who wrote this 168 00:08:41,447 --> 00:08:43,527 Speaker 2: piece for the Sydney Morning Harold. He said, you can 169 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:46,127 Speaker 2: buy bottles of this vodka for as cheaply as sixty 170 00:08:46,207 --> 00:08:49,567 Speaker 2: cents a bottle, right, so it's exceptionally cheap. It's produced 171 00:08:49,607 --> 00:08:53,727 Speaker 2: in villages, you know, not in standardized factories. 172 00:08:53,927 --> 00:08:57,647 Speaker 1: So it's like someone cutting drus like exactly, with a 173 00:08:57,927 --> 00:08:59,367 Speaker 1: terrible compound that's. 174 00:08:59,287 --> 00:09:01,807 Speaker 2: Fat and playing fast and loose with that. Whether they 175 00:09:01,887 --> 00:09:04,167 Speaker 2: know that or not, we don't know, and there's going 176 00:09:04,247 --> 00:09:06,767 Speaker 2: to be an investigation which we'll get to. But the 177 00:09:06,847 --> 00:09:10,407 Speaker 2: thing is is you can drink it. You're free vodka shots. 178 00:09:10,647 --> 00:09:14,247 Speaker 2: You will get drunk as if you are drinking vodka, 179 00:09:14,367 --> 00:09:16,567 Speaker 2: your wake up feeling awful, right, as if you had 180 00:09:16,647 --> 00:09:18,727 Speaker 2: drunk a lot of alcohol the night before. But what 181 00:09:18,807 --> 00:09:20,927 Speaker 2: seems to have happened is that hours later, as the 182 00:09:20,967 --> 00:09:23,447 Speaker 2: body attempts to clear it from itself by breaking it 183 00:09:23,447 --> 00:09:25,607 Speaker 2: down in the liver, which is how it manages alcohol, 184 00:09:26,207 --> 00:09:29,767 Speaker 2: it creates these toxic byproducts that Jesse's talking about, and 185 00:09:29,847 --> 00:09:32,407 Speaker 2: they build up and they can attack your nervous system 186 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:35,127 Speaker 2: and your organs, and that can lead to blindness, coma, 187 00:09:35,287 --> 00:09:37,887 Speaker 2: and death. And that is what has happened in this instance. 188 00:09:38,327 --> 00:09:41,047 Speaker 2: So some people maybe drank it and were okay. Some 189 00:09:41,087 --> 00:09:43,767 Speaker 2: people maybe didn't drink the same thing. Maybe there was 190 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:45,687 Speaker 2: one bottle that was contaminated, maybe there was ten. That's 191 00:09:45,687 --> 00:09:49,687 Speaker 2: what the investigations will certainly begin to unpick at the 192 00:09:49,767 --> 00:09:53,847 Speaker 2: thing that makes methanol so dangerous. Also, And when you 193 00:09:53,847 --> 00:09:56,447 Speaker 2: think about these vodka shots and what's in a cocktail 194 00:09:56,927 --> 00:10:00,367 Speaker 2: is it is colorless, odorless, It's undetectable, so you wouldn't know. 195 00:10:00,567 --> 00:10:02,407 Speaker 2: It's not like you would drink or drink and go, 196 00:10:02,887 --> 00:10:05,447 Speaker 2: or that tastes funny. You wouldn't know that it's there. 197 00:10:06,167 --> 00:10:08,607 Speaker 2: If it is in the cheap alcohol that's being consumed, 198 00:10:08,687 --> 00:10:11,727 Speaker 2: you might not thoroughly know that. And the symptoms early 199 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:14,887 Speaker 2: symptoms will be very similar to just alcohol. 200 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:19,087 Speaker 3: Poisons even no even food poisoning. It would be quite 201 00:10:19,127 --> 00:10:22,127 Speaker 3: similar to that. And I've you know, traveled Southeast Asia 202 00:10:22,207 --> 00:10:24,887 Speaker 3: a few times and sat there and had a cocktail. 203 00:10:24,967 --> 00:10:27,287 Speaker 3: And this is what they're saying, is that a cocktail 204 00:10:27,367 --> 00:10:29,247 Speaker 3: or a drink made by the house is sort of 205 00:10:29,847 --> 00:10:32,527 Speaker 3: that is being considered dangerous. And I think they've updated 206 00:10:32,527 --> 00:10:36,447 Speaker 3: the Smart Traveler guidelines now, so the advice is that 207 00:10:36,567 --> 00:10:39,367 Speaker 3: you wouldn't order a cocktail or something that's going to 208 00:10:39,407 --> 00:10:43,087 Speaker 3: be made with a spirit that you can't necessarily see 209 00:10:43,127 --> 00:10:46,687 Speaker 3: because it's you know, behind the bar, or mixed drinks 210 00:10:46,927 --> 00:10:49,167 Speaker 3: or anything like that. They say, you know, a can 211 00:10:49,247 --> 00:10:52,287 Speaker 3: or a beer where you see them open, the actual 212 00:10:52,607 --> 00:10:56,287 Speaker 3: lid is probably more safe because when I was there 213 00:10:56,407 --> 00:10:58,527 Speaker 3: years ago, it was about the ice cubes. You would 214 00:10:58,527 --> 00:11:00,767 Speaker 3: ask for a drink without ice cubes. 215 00:11:00,527 --> 00:11:03,087 Speaker 1: So you wouldn't get poisoning or bali bellies. 216 00:11:03,207 --> 00:11:05,887 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would make you sick. So there have always 217 00:11:05,927 --> 00:11:09,167 Speaker 3: been sort of guidelines or particular street food. They said, 218 00:11:09,287 --> 00:11:11,167 Speaker 3: if you eat at a restaurant, you're less likely to get. 219 00:11:11,247 --> 00:11:13,847 Speaker 1: Yeah, but gastro is very different to the effects of 220 00:11:13,927 --> 00:11:15,087 Speaker 1: methan or poisoning, isn't it. 221 00:11:15,127 --> 00:11:16,927 Speaker 3: The Sydney Morning Herald went and interviewed a lot of 222 00:11:16,967 --> 00:11:19,807 Speaker 3: people who were there at the moment, because are you 223 00:11:20,127 --> 00:11:22,527 Speaker 3: not going to touch alcohol while you're there? I can 224 00:11:22,567 --> 00:11:24,967 Speaker 3: imagine that there would be a lot of fear. But 225 00:11:25,287 --> 00:11:28,567 Speaker 3: even though those messages are really important for any travelers 226 00:11:28,567 --> 00:11:32,167 Speaker 3: out there, I also for these young women. I mean 227 00:11:32,207 --> 00:11:34,847 Speaker 3: I would have made exactly the same decision if I 228 00:11:34,887 --> 00:11:39,087 Speaker 3: were in their shoes, And I think now there's a 229 00:11:39,087 --> 00:11:42,207 Speaker 3: lot of talk about there needing to be obviously a 230 00:11:42,487 --> 00:11:46,727 Speaker 3: very big crackdown on this, because there's been in multiple 231 00:11:46,727 --> 00:11:48,647 Speaker 3: countries around the world. There are reports of it in 232 00:11:48,727 --> 00:11:53,287 Speaker 3: Turkey and Vietnam, and this does happen, and because these 233 00:11:53,327 --> 00:11:57,247 Speaker 3: are tourists, is getting enormous media attention. There are some 234 00:11:57,367 --> 00:12:00,247 Speaker 3: reports suggesting that the local numbers would be a lot higher, 235 00:12:00,407 --> 00:12:03,367 Speaker 3: but they don't get reported. And I also read that 236 00:12:03,407 --> 00:12:06,167 Speaker 3: these two girls like they had to be transported to 237 00:12:06,167 --> 00:12:11,007 Speaker 3: a hospital in Thailand. Like, imagine how scared you would 238 00:12:11,047 --> 00:12:12,967 Speaker 3: feel to know you are that sick and your body 239 00:12:13,007 --> 00:12:15,407 Speaker 3: is doing this awful thing, and you're that far from 240 00:12:15,967 --> 00:12:18,567 Speaker 3: from home and also from proper medical support. 241 00:12:18,647 --> 00:12:22,367 Speaker 1: From what I understand is that it is possible to 242 00:12:22,447 --> 00:12:25,247 Speaker 1: reverse the effects depending on how much I've consumed, if 243 00:12:25,247 --> 00:12:28,207 Speaker 1: you get medical treatment early enough. But because as you say, Holly, 244 00:12:28,887 --> 00:12:32,047 Speaker 1: it's easy to confuse those early symptoms with being hungover, 245 00:12:32,807 --> 00:12:35,967 Speaker 1: most people would feel like they, you know, just oh 246 00:12:36,007 --> 00:12:37,927 Speaker 1: it'll pass, Like I just need to sleep it off. 247 00:12:38,007 --> 00:12:39,247 Speaker 1: I just need to try and drink water. 248 00:12:39,607 --> 00:12:42,327 Speaker 3: I think as well, when you're overseas. The Quickie spoke 249 00:12:42,407 --> 00:12:44,927 Speaker 3: to a going out to school with named Becky, who 250 00:12:45,367 --> 00:12:50,287 Speaker 3: was in Bali and experienced methanol poisoning, and she said, 251 00:12:50,367 --> 00:12:52,807 Speaker 3: you know, when you're overseas, you don't want to disrupt 252 00:12:52,847 --> 00:12:54,567 Speaker 3: the travel plans. You don't want to be the person 253 00:12:54,567 --> 00:12:55,447 Speaker 3: that goes to hospital. 254 00:12:55,607 --> 00:12:57,927 Speaker 1: And it's daunting going to hospital. When do you go 255 00:12:58,087 --> 00:12:59,087 Speaker 1: language In many. 256 00:12:58,967 --> 00:13:01,527 Speaker 3: Cases, so you feel sick, you go, maybe I drink 257 00:13:01,567 --> 00:13:03,487 Speaker 3: too much, maybe I've got food poisoning, and you put 258 00:13:03,527 --> 00:13:07,047 Speaker 3: it off. And the reports here suggest that the girls 259 00:13:07,207 --> 00:13:10,207 Speaker 3: were texting saying I feel unwell, but they weren't readily 260 00:13:10,207 --> 00:13:12,887 Speaker 3: going I'm gonna bite the bullet and go and get 261 00:13:13,007 --> 00:13:16,607 Speaker 3: medical attention. So I think that that's certainly one thing. 262 00:13:16,687 --> 00:13:19,327 Speaker 2: Well, it wouldn't have crossed your mind. Oh no, That's 263 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:22,207 Speaker 2: one of the things is that Bianca's dad, Mark Jones, 264 00:13:22,207 --> 00:13:26,247 Speaker 2: who obviously the most devastated families who've flown to Thailand 265 00:13:26,247 --> 00:13:29,247 Speaker 2: to be with their daughters in their last days, are 266 00:13:29,287 --> 00:13:31,407 Speaker 2: saying they don't want their daughter's death to be in vain. 267 00:13:31,487 --> 00:13:33,807 Speaker 2: And it seems like a big issue in many ways. 268 00:13:33,847 --> 00:13:36,927 Speaker 2: But the thing is, until this had happened in a way, 269 00:13:36,967 --> 00:13:38,927 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are traveling around just wouldn't 270 00:13:38,927 --> 00:13:41,687 Speaker 2: even think about this right whereas now you probably would no. 271 00:13:41,887 --> 00:13:43,927 Speaker 3: I have family who live in Bali and they all 272 00:13:44,007 --> 00:13:47,167 Speaker 3: knew about it, but I had no idea. It's not 273 00:13:47,207 --> 00:13:50,727 Speaker 3: necessarily something that a tourist would know. But my school 274 00:13:50,807 --> 00:13:54,447 Speaker 3: friend who experienced this ended up cutting the trip short. 275 00:13:54,487 --> 00:13:56,367 Speaker 3: She was that sick and she came back to Australia 276 00:13:56,847 --> 00:13:59,887 Speaker 3: and she described it to Claire Murphy as feeling like 277 00:13:59,967 --> 00:14:02,207 Speaker 3: someone had stuck a wooden spoon in her brain and 278 00:14:02,247 --> 00:14:04,847 Speaker 3: gone for gold. Like that's how ill she felt. So 279 00:14:04,927 --> 00:14:08,167 Speaker 3: that's on tomorrow's episode of The Quickiears. Is you know 280 00:14:08,207 --> 00:14:10,207 Speaker 3: what it feels like after the break. 281 00:14:10,247 --> 00:14:13,487 Speaker 1: We have a theory around that famous divorce photo of 282 00:14:13,607 --> 00:14:15,687 Speaker 1: Nicole that she says never happened. 283 00:14:22,767 --> 00:14:28,287 Speaker 2: Okay, we need to have a conversation. You're very young. 284 00:14:28,407 --> 00:14:29,327 Speaker 1: I don't want to you. 285 00:14:30,687 --> 00:14:33,487 Speaker 5: I think I have power over you because I could 286 00:14:33,527 --> 00:14:36,927 Speaker 5: make one call on you everything. Does that turn you on? 287 00:14:36,967 --> 00:14:37,447 Speaker 5: Whn't say. 288 00:14:39,767 --> 00:14:42,447 Speaker 1: It's the lead up to OSCAR nominations being announced, so 289 00:14:42,607 --> 00:14:44,447 Speaker 1: actors are doing a lot of press for the roles 290 00:14:44,487 --> 00:14:47,247 Speaker 1: that they hope will get them noticed by the Academy, 291 00:14:47,847 --> 00:14:50,487 Speaker 1: which brings us to Nicole Kidman, who is everywhere at 292 00:14:50,527 --> 00:14:53,367 Speaker 1: the moment to promote her new film Baby Girl, which 293 00:14:53,407 --> 00:14:56,767 Speaker 1: comes out early next year in Australia. And there are 294 00:14:56,767 --> 00:14:59,527 Speaker 1: two different Nicole Kidman stories that we wanted to touch on 295 00:14:59,567 --> 00:15:02,327 Speaker 1: today that have jumped into the news cycle and actually 296 00:15:02,407 --> 00:15:07,047 Speaker 1: become means. The first is about a quote that she 297 00:15:07,167 --> 00:15:10,127 Speaker 1: gave to GQ in an interview that she did for 298 00:15:10,167 --> 00:15:13,367 Speaker 1: their Man of the Year issue, interestingly, on which she 299 00:15:13,527 --> 00:15:16,487 Speaker 1: was on the cover, and she was asked about that 300 00:15:16,847 --> 00:15:20,407 Speaker 1: iconic image. There's an iconic photo of Nicole Kidman that 301 00:15:20,567 --> 00:15:23,887 Speaker 1: has gone back into circulation even though it's almost twenty 302 00:15:23,887 --> 00:15:26,967 Speaker 1: five years old. It was after her divorce from Tom 303 00:15:27,007 --> 00:15:30,327 Speaker 1: Cruise in two thousand and one. The couple wed in 304 00:15:30,687 --> 00:15:35,407 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and they adopted two children, Isabella and Connor. 305 00:15:36,327 --> 00:15:40,087 Speaker 1: And the photo that a lot of women, particularly women 306 00:15:40,207 --> 00:15:43,247 Speaker 1: who are gen X, will know, is of her doing 307 00:15:43,287 --> 00:15:46,287 Speaker 1: what is said to be leaving her lawyer's office after 308 00:15:46,367 --> 00:15:50,367 Speaker 1: finalizing her divorce. She's wearing patent kind of bohoy top, 309 00:15:50,847 --> 00:15:55,727 Speaker 1: a green silk knee length skirt trainers, and she's got 310 00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:59,767 Speaker 1: her arms outstretched and she's lifting her face to the 311 00:15:59,807 --> 00:16:05,287 Speaker 1: sky and it looks like she's shouting in happiness relief. 312 00:16:05,487 --> 00:16:08,807 Speaker 1: Her eyes are closed. She's not wearing a wig, she's 313 00:16:08,847 --> 00:16:12,687 Speaker 1: got no make up on, and she just looks like 314 00:16:13,767 --> 00:16:17,327 Speaker 1: hell yeah, And it had become a meme a while ago. 315 00:16:17,967 --> 00:16:20,327 Speaker 1: The idea of the meme was that every woman in 316 00:16:20,367 --> 00:16:23,727 Speaker 1: her post divorce life needs to feel like Nicole Kidman 317 00:16:23,767 --> 00:16:27,767 Speaker 1: looks in that photo. And in September, Jenna Dewan, who 318 00:16:27,927 --> 00:16:32,447 Speaker 1: just finalized her divorce from Channing Tatum, posted it on. 319 00:16:32,327 --> 00:16:34,007 Speaker 2: Instagram Should I remember that? 320 00:16:34,287 --> 00:16:38,207 Speaker 1: Which was a wonderful subtweet about how you relieved she 321 00:16:38,407 --> 00:16:42,607 Speaker 1: was to have finally finished this divorce. She was asked 322 00:16:42,647 --> 00:16:44,887 Speaker 1: how she felt about the fact that that photo had 323 00:16:44,927 --> 00:16:48,847 Speaker 1: gone viral and become this iconography for divorced women, and 324 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:53,087 Speaker 1: her response was, it was for a film that wasn't 325 00:16:53,167 --> 00:16:57,647 Speaker 1: real life. And I was reading that interview and I thought, 326 00:16:57,687 --> 00:17:00,407 Speaker 1: hang on a second, I remember when that photo came out. 327 00:17:00,527 --> 00:17:02,847 Speaker 1: It was not for a film, because I'm one of 328 00:17:02,847 --> 00:17:07,087 Speaker 1: the tragic people who knows a lot about their divorce 329 00:17:07,207 --> 00:17:10,327 Speaker 1: and all the law that came of it. And indeed, 330 00:17:10,607 --> 00:17:14,007 Speaker 1: Internet's louths have gone and done their investigating and come 331 00:17:14,047 --> 00:17:15,727 Speaker 1: out and said, well, no, it wasn't for a film. 332 00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:18,927 Speaker 1: There's no film of record where she looks like that. 333 00:17:19,727 --> 00:17:21,447 Speaker 1: It was very well known at the time that it 334 00:17:21,447 --> 00:17:24,767 Speaker 1: was a paparazzi photo and she wasn't on the set 335 00:17:24,807 --> 00:17:27,367 Speaker 1: of a film. Nobody can find any film that correlates 336 00:17:27,407 --> 00:17:28,967 Speaker 1: with anything that she was shooting at the time that 337 00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:29,847 Speaker 1: the photo has taken. 338 00:17:30,287 --> 00:17:32,927 Speaker 3: So hang on, why then, why would she lie? 339 00:17:33,047 --> 00:17:36,727 Speaker 1: So my theory is that it's tied up with her 340 00:17:37,087 --> 00:17:40,327 Speaker 1: non disclosure agreement that I'm sure she's signed with Tom 341 00:17:40,327 --> 00:17:44,167 Speaker 1: Cruise and Scientology around her divorce. Remember, he's still part 342 00:17:44,207 --> 00:17:47,447 Speaker 1: of the church. She was kind of excommunicated from the church, 343 00:17:47,687 --> 00:17:51,967 Speaker 1: and her two children with Tom Cruise are still Scientologists 344 00:17:52,007 --> 00:17:55,127 Speaker 1: and very much stayed with the church, and you know, 345 00:17:55,207 --> 00:17:57,967 Speaker 1: he had full custody of them. She has never spoken 346 00:17:57,967 --> 00:18:01,447 Speaker 1: about the divorce. She never speaks about Tom Cruise. She's 347 00:18:01,487 --> 00:18:02,767 Speaker 1: never asked about him ever. 348 00:18:03,487 --> 00:18:05,767 Speaker 3: She was asked a few years ago about Scientology in 349 00:18:05,807 --> 00:18:09,327 Speaker 3: an interview where she was promoting a movie called Nine, 350 00:18:09,487 --> 00:18:12,527 Speaker 3: and she just said, I will not speak about Yeah. 351 00:18:12,567 --> 00:18:15,607 Speaker 2: She just she did say something like, it's nice to 352 00:18:15,607 --> 00:18:17,767 Speaker 2: be able to wear heels again, didn't she That was 353 00:18:17,807 --> 00:18:20,247 Speaker 2: like the one thing she's ever said, like a little 354 00:18:20,647 --> 00:18:22,767 Speaker 2: dig at the fact that Cruise was a lot shorter 355 00:18:22,807 --> 00:18:26,007 Speaker 2: than her, but apart from that, she is like a safe, 356 00:18:26,287 --> 00:18:28,527 Speaker 2: like a vault when it comes to the cruise law. 357 00:18:29,047 --> 00:18:31,767 Speaker 2: I thought that was such a weird thing for her 358 00:18:31,847 --> 00:18:36,567 Speaker 2: to say, because it's so easily proven. I mean, of course, 359 00:18:36,727 --> 00:18:39,407 Speaker 2: I guess it's possible that she was rehearsing for a 360 00:18:39,447 --> 00:18:44,567 Speaker 2: particular role outside a lawyer's office in LA at that time, 361 00:18:44,967 --> 00:18:48,847 Speaker 2: wearing street clothes with no cameras around except for the pats. 362 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,927 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's possible, but it seems so unlikely. 363 00:18:52,007 --> 00:18:54,407 Speaker 2: It seems like such a strange thing to try and spin. 364 00:18:54,807 --> 00:18:57,767 Speaker 1: The other meme about Nicole Kidman that's in the news 365 00:18:57,847 --> 00:19:00,127 Speaker 1: at the moment, which I thought was really interesting. It 366 00:19:00,167 --> 00:19:03,247 Speaker 1: was quite funny. Actually. It was someone posted, why does 367 00:19:03,367 --> 00:19:05,887 Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman work like she's on the brink of homelessness? 368 00:19:06,247 --> 00:19:08,087 Speaker 1: And this was in reference to the fact that she 369 00:19:08,807 --> 00:19:11,127 Speaker 1: has in a lot of things lately. She's been in 370 00:19:11,167 --> 00:19:15,007 Speaker 1: The Perfect Couple, She's been in expats, she's about to 371 00:19:15,047 --> 00:19:19,327 Speaker 1: do Lioness Susan one was from Cafron, She's going to 372 00:19:19,367 --> 00:19:23,087 Speaker 1: be in Nine Perfect Strangers season two. There are so 373 00:19:23,087 --> 00:19:25,447 Speaker 1: many different things she's in, and apparently Big Little Lies 374 00:19:25,527 --> 00:19:30,327 Speaker 1: is happening again maybe sqel for practical magic, and I 375 00:19:30,367 --> 00:19:33,647 Speaker 1: thought it was an interesting thing to say. If you 376 00:19:33,647 --> 00:19:36,327 Speaker 1: go and look at IMDb, you can see the film 377 00:19:36,367 --> 00:19:39,487 Speaker 1: credits and TV credits for any celebrity you want, any 378 00:19:39,527 --> 00:19:42,007 Speaker 1: actor you want. Nicole Kidman has one hundred and two. 379 00:19:43,007 --> 00:19:45,567 Speaker 1: Kristin Bell has one hundred and forty seven, but we 380 00:19:45,567 --> 00:19:48,207 Speaker 1: don't say that about her. Julia Roberts, who's a contemporary, 381 00:19:48,447 --> 00:19:52,047 Speaker 1: has seventy, Leonardo DiCaprio has forty seven. Bruce Willis has 382 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:54,327 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight. Do you know the person 383 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:57,887 Speaker 1: who has the most film credits recently the most A 384 00:19:57,887 --> 00:20:00,967 Speaker 1: live actor who has the most film credits is Eric Roberts, 385 00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:05,687 Speaker 1: brother of Julia. He has got seven hundred film and 386 00:20:05,727 --> 00:20:09,127 Speaker 1: TV show credits, with three hundred and ninety one acting 387 00:20:09,247 --> 00:20:11,127 Speaker 1: credits in the last ten years alone. 388 00:20:11,527 --> 00:20:12,887 Speaker 2: What's working hard? 389 00:20:12,967 --> 00:20:16,207 Speaker 1: Busy boy can't think of one thing? Oh wow, literally cannot. 390 00:20:16,527 --> 00:20:17,287 Speaker 2: My point was. 391 00:20:17,207 --> 00:20:22,047 Speaker 1: That why do we ask why is a woman working 392 00:20:22,047 --> 00:20:23,847 Speaker 1: so much when she is clearly at the top of 393 00:20:23,887 --> 00:20:24,287 Speaker 1: her game. 394 00:20:24,487 --> 00:20:26,727 Speaker 2: It's not just memes who've been taking the mickey out 395 00:20:26,727 --> 00:20:28,967 Speaker 2: of Nicole Kidman for that. At the Emmys this year 396 00:20:29,047 --> 00:20:32,647 Speaker 2: is Steve Martin during one of the award presentations, through 397 00:20:32,687 --> 00:20:35,767 Speaker 2: a sort of barbed comment about how Nicole Kidman is 398 00:20:35,807 --> 00:20:36,807 Speaker 2: in everything at the moment. 399 00:20:37,047 --> 00:20:40,527 Speaker 1: Emmy Awards, What a magical evening. It's been trying to 400 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:42,407 Speaker 1: remember people's names. 401 00:20:42,087 --> 00:20:45,527 Speaker 2: And pretending that we've seen their shows. And when I 402 00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:47,807 Speaker 2: see an actor, I don't know. I just say I 403 00:20:47,887 --> 00:20:53,927 Speaker 2: loved your scene with Nicole Kidman, and nine times out 404 00:20:53,967 --> 00:20:54,687 Speaker 2: of ten, I'm right. 405 00:20:55,127 --> 00:20:56,887 Speaker 1: And what do you think the subtext is, Jesse? Do 406 00:20:56,927 --> 00:21:00,407 Speaker 1: you think it's she's desperate? Is she broke? Why is 407 00:21:00,447 --> 00:21:03,087 Speaker 1: she trying so hard the biggest you know seen a 408 00:21:03,127 --> 00:21:04,087 Speaker 1: woman can committe? 409 00:21:04,287 --> 00:21:04,767 Speaker 2: Yeah? 410 00:21:04,927 --> 00:21:06,247 Speaker 3: Or is it diluting? 411 00:21:06,287 --> 00:21:06,767 Speaker 1: Almost? 412 00:21:06,967 --> 00:21:10,367 Speaker 3: For example, Leonardo DiCaprio is off and thought of as 413 00:21:10,367 --> 00:21:13,127 Speaker 3: an actor who never makes a bad movie, and he 414 00:21:13,247 --> 00:21:15,567 Speaker 3: is very very selective about what he does. He's not 415 00:21:15,647 --> 00:21:17,247 Speaker 3: in something every year necessarily. 416 00:21:17,407 --> 00:21:18,327 Speaker 1: He's very busy with this. 417 00:21:18,927 --> 00:21:21,447 Speaker 3: He is, he is, but he would never be in 418 00:21:21,487 --> 00:21:25,607 Speaker 3: a television series. He is, but that's just a no no. 419 00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:29,807 Speaker 3: But I think that there are certain actors that we 420 00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:34,127 Speaker 3: look at. Their brand is seen as selective. 421 00:21:34,247 --> 00:21:36,087 Speaker 2: They are very selective about their project. 422 00:21:36,247 --> 00:21:39,967 Speaker 3: Yes, whereas Nicole Kidman, like yes, the joke might be 423 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:42,527 Speaker 3: slightly gendered, but she is genuinely everywhere. 424 00:21:42,567 --> 00:21:44,727 Speaker 1: Do you know who else people say this about Taylor Swift? 425 00:21:45,007 --> 00:21:47,487 Speaker 1: Why is she releasing so many albums? I've said it myself, 426 00:21:47,727 --> 00:21:51,007 Speaker 1: but if someone genuinely likes working and they are in 427 00:21:51,047 --> 00:21:54,967 Speaker 1: a prolific moment in their career, why do we kind 428 00:21:55,007 --> 00:21:56,367 Speaker 1: of sneer at that? 429 00:21:56,767 --> 00:22:00,527 Speaker 2: Because you're average person? I mean, an average person is 430 00:22:00,567 --> 00:22:03,087 Speaker 2: a tricky thing to say, but you're average person. Thinks 431 00:22:03,127 --> 00:22:04,967 Speaker 2: if I had that much money, I wouldn't fucking work. 432 00:22:05,127 --> 00:22:07,727 Speaker 2: That's what people think, right, They think. People think if 433 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,967 Speaker 2: I had movie star money, then I would lie on 434 00:22:11,007 --> 00:22:13,607 Speaker 2: a beach. They think if I had movie star money, 435 00:22:13,847 --> 00:22:16,727 Speaker 2: I might do one project every two years. So I 436 00:22:16,767 --> 00:22:19,647 Speaker 2: think that for a lot of people, they don't understand 437 00:22:19,967 --> 00:22:22,527 Speaker 2: why you would work that hard if you didn't have to. 438 00:22:23,087 --> 00:22:25,967 Speaker 2: But what we all know to be true, because you know, 439 00:22:26,207 --> 00:22:28,087 Speaker 2: we've heard it so many times in up close to 440 00:22:28,127 --> 00:22:32,447 Speaker 2: anything in the entertainment industry. Success breeds success, but it 441 00:22:32,447 --> 00:22:34,687 Speaker 2: also breeds a level of insecurity. You'll hear it over 442 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:36,927 Speaker 2: and over again. It's like, well, what if, though my 443 00:22:37,007 --> 00:22:38,607 Speaker 2: next project is the best thing I'm ever going to do? 444 00:22:38,647 --> 00:22:40,647 Speaker 2: What if no one ever offers me anything again, kidman, 445 00:22:40,847 --> 00:22:43,607 Speaker 2: and she talks about this in GQ. She says that 446 00:22:43,687 --> 00:22:46,607 Speaker 2: she had the insecurity that all young actresses were brought 447 00:22:46,687 --> 00:22:48,327 Speaker 2: up with, which was that once you forty, you'll never 448 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:51,007 Speaker 2: work again. Now that hasn't been true for her. She's 449 00:22:51,127 --> 00:22:54,047 Speaker 2: entered a real golden age in her midlife, but that 450 00:22:54,127 --> 00:22:57,047 Speaker 2: certainly wasn't expected. And if you love what you do, 451 00:22:57,287 --> 00:22:59,887 Speaker 2: people keep offering you chances to do it. She says 452 00:22:59,927 --> 00:23:03,047 Speaker 2: she loves working with interesting directors and female directors and 453 00:23:03,087 --> 00:23:05,887 Speaker 2: all this, and that why wouldn't you if you love 454 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:06,327 Speaker 2: doing it? 455 00:23:06,407 --> 00:23:06,567 Speaker 5: Well. 456 00:23:06,567 --> 00:23:09,487 Speaker 1: This is another thing that I find really frustrating, is 457 00:23:09,487 --> 00:23:11,687 Speaker 1: that you're not allowed to own it. Because she was 458 00:23:11,727 --> 00:23:16,167 Speaker 1: again asked recently about why she works so much, she 459 00:23:16,287 --> 00:23:18,647 Speaker 1: has to frame it in this way of she said, 460 00:23:18,767 --> 00:23:21,607 Speaker 1: I do think about taking a break sometimes, but in 461 00:23:21,647 --> 00:23:23,887 Speaker 1: this weird way. There are so many opportunities in terms 462 00:23:23,887 --> 00:23:25,727 Speaker 1: of being able to be of service to the people 463 00:23:25,727 --> 00:23:28,567 Speaker 1: who are coming up and using what I have and 464 00:23:28,647 --> 00:23:31,567 Speaker 1: can do for people like the writer and director of 465 00:23:31,687 --> 00:23:34,647 Speaker 1: Baby Girl, Helena Rain. And she says, it's very hard 466 00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,207 Speaker 1: for me to go, Okay, I'm just going to take 467 00:23:36,247 --> 00:23:38,407 Speaker 1: care of myself because I'm so much about taking care 468 00:23:38,407 --> 00:23:41,167 Speaker 1: of other people. So instead of just saying I bloody 469 00:23:41,207 --> 00:23:44,287 Speaker 1: love it, or I bloody like the money and this 470 00:23:44,327 --> 00:23:47,007 Speaker 1: is my purple patch and the offers are on the table, 471 00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:51,087 Speaker 1: women's work has to be framed as being in service 472 00:23:51,087 --> 00:23:51,607 Speaker 1: to others. 473 00:23:52,007 --> 00:23:53,727 Speaker 3: I wonder if, too, the fact that she is so 474 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,807 Speaker 3: high profile means that every project is broadcast everywhere. It's 475 00:23:56,807 --> 00:23:58,847 Speaker 3: like there would be other actors who are working just 476 00:23:58,887 --> 00:24:01,607 Speaker 3: as hard, but it's not harder, but you know, we're 477 00:24:01,647 --> 00:24:05,487 Speaker 3: not seeing them on Graham Norton and in GQ every week. 478 00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:08,647 Speaker 3: Like the way that she can lift the profile of 479 00:24:08,687 --> 00:24:11,487 Speaker 3: any prog that is true is pretty incredible. And like 480 00:24:11,567 --> 00:24:13,807 Speaker 3: she can get something green lit and she can be 481 00:24:13,887 --> 00:24:16,567 Speaker 3: selective about what stories get told, which is pretty powerful. 482 00:24:16,607 --> 00:24:18,767 Speaker 1: And she does do experimental stuff as well. 483 00:24:18,927 --> 00:24:21,527 Speaker 2: She does, she does it's really interesting breadth of stuff. 484 00:24:21,607 --> 00:24:24,167 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she works with all different sorts of directors, 485 00:24:24,167 --> 00:24:28,047 Speaker 1: So I'm not disputing what she's saying is genuine. But 486 00:24:28,287 --> 00:24:31,527 Speaker 1: it's like women aren't allowed to say, I bloody love working, 487 00:24:31,567 --> 00:24:34,767 Speaker 1: I'm inflow, that's why time. 488 00:24:34,847 --> 00:24:36,727 Speaker 2: But why do you think they're not allowed to say that? 489 00:24:36,807 --> 00:24:39,887 Speaker 2: Do you think it's because we accept workholism in men. 490 00:24:40,007 --> 00:24:42,527 Speaker 2: It's like we think if that's, you know, a sort 491 00:24:42,567 --> 00:24:45,887 Speaker 2: of a side effect of success, but we expect women 492 00:24:45,927 --> 00:24:49,847 Speaker 2: to find fulfillment in other things we call parenting, homemaking, whatever, 493 00:24:50,407 --> 00:24:52,527 Speaker 2: so we don't appreciate it in them. 494 00:24:52,687 --> 00:24:55,207 Speaker 1: We call men prolific and women try hard. 495 00:24:55,287 --> 00:24:57,327 Speaker 2: But then there's also I think there's also a bit 496 00:24:57,327 --> 00:25:00,327 Speaker 2: of an attitude from people sometimes and this is certainly 497 00:25:00,327 --> 00:25:02,887 Speaker 2: true for musicians with some of the criticism you haar 498 00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:06,927 Speaker 2: leveled at Taylor Swift is like didn't I just buy that? 499 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:09,447 Speaker 2: Not that you have to really buy albums anymore. I 500 00:25:09,607 --> 00:25:12,367 Speaker 2: just see you in something, have to buy a ticket 501 00:25:12,407 --> 00:25:15,007 Speaker 2: to that, download that, listen to that, And I wonder 502 00:25:15,047 --> 00:25:18,087 Speaker 2: if they feel like a little bit, are you being greedy? 503 00:25:18,167 --> 00:25:20,727 Speaker 2: And we all know how people feel are women being greedy? 504 00:25:20,847 --> 00:25:21,527 Speaker 1: That's true too. 505 00:25:21,807 --> 00:25:23,847 Speaker 3: I think there's also something I'm trying to think of, 506 00:25:23,887 --> 00:25:26,527 Speaker 3: like the farewell tours. There are certain male musicians who 507 00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:29,487 Speaker 3: have done the farewell tour, and there as so many 508 00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:32,407 Speaker 3: eye rolls about that and sort of like why would 509 00:25:32,447 --> 00:25:34,367 Speaker 3: you still have to perform at that age. I think 510 00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:37,087 Speaker 3: that there's tension about retirement. I think that there's tension 511 00:25:37,127 --> 00:25:40,167 Speaker 3: of like, is there a certain age in which you 512 00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:44,687 Speaker 3: should bow out? And is there something sad or desperate 513 00:25:44,687 --> 00:25:48,807 Speaker 3: about continuing to work beyond your prime or something like? 514 00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:50,967 Speaker 3: I wonder if that's part of it too. I think 515 00:25:51,007 --> 00:25:53,127 Speaker 3: I have heard it about men, but maybe in a 516 00:25:53,127 --> 00:25:54,007 Speaker 3: slightly different way. 517 00:25:54,167 --> 00:25:56,247 Speaker 2: The thing is is that to be brutally honest about it, 518 00:25:56,287 --> 00:25:58,967 Speaker 2: like she obviously loves working, and also she's working on 519 00:25:59,007 --> 00:26:01,567 Speaker 2: her terms, like she would get to dictate the project 520 00:26:01,607 --> 00:26:03,407 Speaker 2: she wants to do when she wants to do them, 521 00:26:03,607 --> 00:26:06,447 Speaker 2: the conditions in which she works, how big a trailer is, 522 00:26:06,447 --> 00:26:10,847 Speaker 2: how many days shootings she's going to have, fulfilling, easy work. 523 00:26:10,927 --> 00:26:15,047 Speaker 2: She's not, you know, slogging it out on her feet 524 00:26:14,247 --> 00:26:17,047 Speaker 2: in a Most people in the world work for money. 525 00:26:17,207 --> 00:26:20,327 Speaker 3: Most people work because they have to to get a salary. 526 00:26:20,447 --> 00:26:22,927 Speaker 3: I don't think the Taylor Swifts and the Nicole Kidman's 527 00:26:22,927 --> 00:26:24,647 Speaker 3: of the world are working for money anymore. 528 00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:27,207 Speaker 5: Well, thanks for the feedback. 529 00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:28,847 Speaker 1: Great, I'd love your feedback. 530 00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:35,407 Speaker 2: What gift I've got feedback for Christmas lists? Right? 531 00:26:35,487 --> 00:26:37,207 Speaker 3: I was thinking this morning you need to write one? 532 00:26:37,287 --> 00:26:39,127 Speaker 2: Well, yes, well you should, but I can tell you 533 00:26:39,167 --> 00:26:41,647 Speaker 2: exactly how you should do it. Okay, yep, This is 534 00:26:41,727 --> 00:26:46,007 Speaker 2: feedback specifically though, for the Christmas lists of tweens and teens, 535 00:26:46,047 --> 00:26:47,807 Speaker 2: because they are out of control. 536 00:26:48,047 --> 00:26:49,287 Speaker 3: How do they do them? 537 00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:51,407 Speaker 2: You might not have a tween or teen in your life, 538 00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:55,727 Speaker 2: but you need to know because it's bananas, right. I received, 539 00:26:55,807 --> 00:26:57,687 Speaker 2: and I thought maybe it was just me. I received 540 00:26:57,687 --> 00:27:02,167 Speaker 2: to my work email recently subject line Christmas plus as 541 00:27:02,207 --> 00:27:03,767 Speaker 2: in PLS Christmas plase. 542 00:27:03,807 --> 00:27:05,567 Speaker 3: Okay, a Google. 543 00:27:05,327 --> 00:27:09,567 Speaker 2: Slides presentation of some length of how many slides it 544 00:27:09,727 --> 00:27:13,407 Speaker 2: maybe like twenty slides? And on each slide there is 545 00:27:13,727 --> 00:27:20,367 Speaker 2: a top, a pair of jeans, a moisturizer, a setting spread. 546 00:27:20,447 --> 00:27:22,007 Speaker 1: I have questions, Okay, are there links? 547 00:27:22,047 --> 00:27:24,847 Speaker 2: There are links there, There are helpful little words like 548 00:27:25,447 --> 00:27:30,207 Speaker 2: available in store, Oh, he currently fifty percent off. 549 00:27:30,447 --> 00:27:33,327 Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was me, right there affiliate links 550 00:27:33,327 --> 00:27:34,367 Speaker 1: and she's also making money. 551 00:27:34,527 --> 00:27:36,967 Speaker 2: Yeah. I posted a picture and I was like, does 552 00:27:36,967 --> 00:27:40,527 Speaker 2: anyone else get this kind of email to their working Well? No, 553 00:27:41,687 --> 00:27:45,527 Speaker 2: it is a massive thing. Camp full blown canvra presentations, 554 00:27:45,887 --> 00:27:48,687 Speaker 2: power points that are presented in front of the family 555 00:27:49,207 --> 00:27:53,047 Speaker 2: in a public living. Wedding designed my daughters were not 556 00:27:53,167 --> 00:27:56,687 Speaker 2: particularly well designed, but I've heard tell and seen evidence 557 00:27:56,727 --> 00:28:00,447 Speaker 2: of very well designed with graphics. It's helpful moving graphics. 558 00:28:00,607 --> 00:28:04,167 Speaker 2: And I just want to say, right, stop it. Because 559 00:28:04,207 --> 00:28:05,807 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and I know I sound 560 00:28:05,887 --> 00:28:07,847 Speaker 2: like one hundred years old, I lived in England, so 561 00:28:07,927 --> 00:28:09,647 Speaker 2: it was cold at Christmas and we really have an 562 00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:12,487 Speaker 2: open fireplace. You wrote your list down on a piece 563 00:28:12,487 --> 00:28:15,487 Speaker 2: of paper and you sent it to Santa up the chimney, 564 00:28:15,807 --> 00:28:17,767 Speaker 2: and then you saw what may or may not turn 565 00:28:17,847 --> 00:28:18,567 Speaker 2: up under the tree. 566 00:28:18,647 --> 00:28:19,887 Speaker 3: So your parents never even saw it. 567 00:28:21,247 --> 00:28:23,287 Speaker 2: Snuck it. Yeah, you set it up the chimney if 568 00:28:23,287 --> 00:28:26,247 Speaker 2: you hold a piece of paper above a fire like that. 569 00:28:26,807 --> 00:28:28,727 Speaker 2: And the thing is is that so obviously they saw 570 00:28:28,727 --> 00:28:30,487 Speaker 2: it when you were making it, and you'd been banging 571 00:28:30,487 --> 00:28:32,647 Speaker 2: on about what you wanted Santa to bring you anyway, 572 00:28:32,927 --> 00:28:37,687 Speaker 2: But now Santa is just getting so many PowerPoint presentations 573 00:28:38,727 --> 00:28:39,847 Speaker 2: about star allowance. 574 00:28:39,887 --> 00:28:43,207 Speaker 3: And also it's like a catalog magic. 575 00:28:43,647 --> 00:28:45,647 Speaker 2: What happened to the magic of get what you get 576 00:28:45,687 --> 00:28:46,247 Speaker 2: and shut the. 577 00:28:46,287 --> 00:28:49,327 Speaker 3: No, Holly, we're being more sustainable, and hear me out, 578 00:28:49,367 --> 00:28:52,687 Speaker 3: I think that actually your daughter is basically Gretitumburg. And 579 00:28:52,727 --> 00:28:55,807 Speaker 3: the reason is it is no waste because she doesn't 580 00:28:55,807 --> 00:28:57,807 Speaker 3: want to wasteful gift. She doesn't want you to bother 581 00:28:58,167 --> 00:29:00,967 Speaker 3: going and getting something shit when what she wants is 582 00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:03,007 Speaker 3: this lamp from Kmar. 583 00:29:03,127 --> 00:29:04,647 Speaker 1: It was a lamp. 584 00:29:05,727 --> 00:29:07,647 Speaker 3: I'll have this lamp. I'll be happy, I'll use it. 585 00:29:07,727 --> 00:29:10,247 Speaker 1: I wish someone would do that for me, as in. 586 00:29:10,247 --> 00:29:12,087 Speaker 3: You want all the people in your life to make decks. 587 00:29:13,687 --> 00:29:15,647 Speaker 1: Don't need decks, just s. My kids just text me 588 00:29:15,727 --> 00:29:18,887 Speaker 1: links like Christmas. They do it for birthdays Christmas because 589 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,047 Speaker 1: they know that gift giving is not my love language. 590 00:29:21,047 --> 00:29:24,247 Speaker 1: And I'm hopeless. My husband's never let me forget that. 591 00:29:24,287 --> 00:29:26,927 Speaker 1: Once I got sent some free back massage or at work, 592 00:29:26,967 --> 00:29:28,287 Speaker 1: and I brought it home and I gave him that 593 00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:30,887 Speaker 1: for his birthday. Goes. You just got sent this for free, 594 00:29:30,927 --> 00:29:31,687 Speaker 1: didn't you. 595 00:29:31,727 --> 00:29:31,887 Speaker 5: No. 596 00:29:33,607 --> 00:29:39,007 Speaker 2: I like surprises. I like surprises for presents. And this 597 00:29:39,047 --> 00:29:40,407 Speaker 2: is what I said to the kids is, I'm like, 598 00:29:40,727 --> 00:29:43,967 Speaker 2: you can send me that presentation, but what Santra and 599 00:29:44,007 --> 00:29:46,567 Speaker 2: I decide to do with it is entirely up to us. 600 00:29:46,607 --> 00:29:49,247 Speaker 2: Like you will not get all those things, obviously, I'll 601 00:29:49,247 --> 00:29:51,687 Speaker 2: get all those things, but we'll figure that out. Thanks, 602 00:29:51,687 --> 00:29:54,007 Speaker 2: Because you want them to be opening the presence and 603 00:29:54,087 --> 00:29:56,967 Speaker 2: being like oh not like oh that's the wrong color. 604 00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:01,087 Speaker 3: No teachers would say what we've done is We've done research, 605 00:30:01,727 --> 00:30:05,967 Speaker 3: we have synthesized information. Correct, we are using technology. I 606 00:30:06,007 --> 00:30:09,247 Speaker 3: think that we are using multiple very important brain skills 607 00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:10,527 Speaker 3: to put together that doc. 608 00:30:10,607 --> 00:30:12,447 Speaker 1: I think they should do it in song. 609 00:30:13,727 --> 00:30:17,127 Speaker 2: Interpretive dance. I want to see her doing the sunset 610 00:30:17,207 --> 00:30:18,687 Speaker 2: lamb and interpretive dam. 611 00:30:19,607 --> 00:30:24,087 Speaker 3: After the break, jacober Lordie, Timothy Shallomey, Heathledger. Celebrity lookalike 612 00:30:24,127 --> 00:30:27,207 Speaker 3: competitions have finally reached Australia and we have some. 613 00:30:27,207 --> 00:30:30,927 Speaker 1: Thoughts out loud as If you want to listen to 614 00:30:31,007 --> 00:30:33,247 Speaker 1: us every day of the week, you can get access 615 00:30:33,287 --> 00:30:37,007 Speaker 1: to exclusive segments on Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a 616 00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:39,727 Speaker 1: mum and mea subscriber. Follow the link in the show 617 00:30:39,727 --> 00:30:42,527 Speaker 1: notes to subscribe and support us, and a big thank 618 00:30:42,567 --> 00:30:44,367 Speaker 1: you to all our current subscribers. 619 00:30:50,927 --> 00:30:54,087 Speaker 3: Everywhere I look, there's a new celebrity lookalike competition. But 620 00:30:54,327 --> 00:30:57,647 Speaker 3: you might have noticed they all have one thing in common. 621 00:30:57,807 --> 00:31:00,847 Speaker 1: Why is it suddenly come back into the zeitgeist. 622 00:31:00,927 --> 00:31:04,007 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you asked. It started with Timothy Shallo 623 00:31:04,087 --> 00:31:07,607 Speaker 3: May everything does, Yes as Everything does. A YouTuber named 624 00:31:07,687 --> 00:31:12,287 Speaker 3: Anthony poe Or organized a lookalike competition for Timothy Schallo 625 00:31:12,327 --> 00:31:16,647 Speaker 3: May in October in Washington Square Park. He organized that. 626 00:31:16,687 --> 00:31:19,527 Speaker 3: And the reason this got so much press attention is 627 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,167 Speaker 3: because Timothy Shallamay turned up. 628 00:31:21,287 --> 00:31:24,567 Speaker 2: Did he that turned up fast? You know who makes 629 00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,127 Speaker 2: a lot of movies, Timothy Chalomaye. I was asking him 630 00:31:28,127 --> 00:31:29,487 Speaker 2: why he's working as if he's home. 631 00:31:29,727 --> 00:31:32,887 Speaker 3: He's working very hard. But the prize was fifty bucks. 632 00:31:33,207 --> 00:31:36,207 Speaker 3: Timothy did not win because he did not enter right. 633 00:31:36,247 --> 00:31:39,127 Speaker 3: He didn't want I wouldn't have been fair. Then came 634 00:31:39,447 --> 00:31:42,887 Speaker 3: the Paul Mescal look alike competition, then Harry Styles, then 635 00:31:42,927 --> 00:31:45,447 Speaker 3: Dev Patel, then Jeremy Allen White, and he's. 636 00:31:45,327 --> 00:31:47,607 Speaker 1: Being organized by women. I'm asking for a. 637 00:31:47,807 --> 00:31:50,607 Speaker 3: Well that one was a man and then the other ones. 638 00:31:50,887 --> 00:31:53,247 Speaker 3: I think so because they're happening all over the world. 639 00:31:53,407 --> 00:31:55,727 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it's become a joke like Paul Mescal 640 00:31:55,767 --> 00:31:57,167 Speaker 1: look like competition in my bad. 641 00:31:57,247 --> 00:32:00,367 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. So you'll notice that all these celebrities are 642 00:32:00,407 --> 00:32:03,607 Speaker 3: incredibly good looking. And that is not a coincidence because 643 00:32:03,647 --> 00:32:07,007 Speaker 3: over the weekend a Jacob Alaudie look alike competition was 644 00:32:07,007 --> 00:32:10,127 Speaker 3: held in Melbourne and one spectator I told the Guardian, 645 00:32:10,487 --> 00:32:13,047 Speaker 3: the dating pool in Melbourne is not that great. I 646 00:32:13,087 --> 00:32:15,807 Speaker 3: think that he a Lordie is a very attractive man 647 00:32:16,007 --> 00:32:18,047 Speaker 3: and if you look like him then you are also 648 00:32:18,087 --> 00:32:21,047 Speaker 3: an attractive man. And women are nothing if not resourceful. 649 00:32:21,327 --> 00:32:23,687 Speaker 3: She knew what she was looking for, the winner, who 650 00:32:23,847 --> 00:32:26,607 Speaker 3: I think the organizer literally found on the street. There 651 00:32:26,607 --> 00:32:28,447 Speaker 3: wasn't a huge turnout, so she just went found someone 652 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,847 Speaker 3: and said, kenneish, how many people. 653 00:32:30,567 --> 00:32:33,607 Speaker 2: Are turning up a girl like I am Chalamne. 654 00:32:34,647 --> 00:32:36,047 Speaker 3: Quite a lot for the first ones. I think the 655 00:32:36,047 --> 00:32:38,527 Speaker 3: Melbourne one was very last minute, she said she could 656 00:32:38,527 --> 00:32:39,007 Speaker 3: have organized. 657 00:32:39,007 --> 00:32:40,847 Speaker 1: So it's a Saturday night she was loading. 658 00:32:41,127 --> 00:32:44,087 Speaker 3: Yeah, the winner said, I'd say it feels flattering, but 659 00:32:44,127 --> 00:32:46,087 Speaker 3: I know it's not real. I know I don't look 660 00:32:46,127 --> 00:32:47,567 Speaker 3: like him at all. I'm just tall. 661 00:32:49,687 --> 00:32:50,407 Speaker 1: They're surprising. 662 00:32:51,287 --> 00:32:54,727 Speaker 3: Then there was the heath Ledger Lookike competition, and some 663 00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:58,847 Speaker 3: of our team attended for research and journalism purposes. And 664 00:32:58,887 --> 00:32:59,687 Speaker 3: here's how it went. 665 00:33:01,167 --> 00:33:02,967 Speaker 5: So on the weekend I went to the heath Ledger 666 00:33:03,007 --> 00:33:06,567 Speaker 5: Lookalike contest, and as a social producer, I saw it 667 00:33:06,647 --> 00:33:09,247 Speaker 5: as basically a lolly shop of content, but it also 668 00:33:09,327 --> 00:33:12,487 Speaker 5: so it ended up being a really sweet kind of 669 00:33:12,567 --> 00:33:15,847 Speaker 5: gathering of It was a lot of younger people, and 670 00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:18,167 Speaker 5: I said to my friends later on. It was really 671 00:33:18,247 --> 00:33:21,087 Speaker 5: nice to have an event that didn't cost money but 672 00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:24,607 Speaker 5: made strangers come together in a really like beautiful, I 673 00:33:24,607 --> 00:33:28,887 Speaker 5: don't know, like silly, but celebratory way. I initially thought 674 00:33:28,927 --> 00:33:30,367 Speaker 5: that there was gonna be a lot of guys that 675 00:33:30,447 --> 00:33:33,047 Speaker 5: rocked up dressed as the Joker, not a single one, 676 00:33:33,087 --> 00:33:35,967 Speaker 5: which was great. When I rocked up, I was probably 677 00:33:36,287 --> 00:33:38,607 Speaker 5: I came like ten minutes early. There was no one there, 678 00:33:39,207 --> 00:33:42,247 Speaker 5: and I was slightly worried. But then out of like 679 00:33:42,407 --> 00:33:46,287 Speaker 5: the bush, this guy turns the corner and he looked 680 00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:49,567 Speaker 5: dead set like Heith. He ended up coming third and 681 00:33:49,607 --> 00:33:51,167 Speaker 5: people started screaming. 682 00:33:50,727 --> 00:33:52,967 Speaker 4: There's a heath, there's a Heath. 683 00:33:53,407 --> 00:33:55,567 Speaker 5: And he walked in and he had all this swagger 684 00:33:55,927 --> 00:33:56,607 Speaker 5: and he signed. 685 00:33:56,767 --> 00:33:58,047 Speaker 1: I think that sounds adorable. 686 00:33:58,247 --> 00:33:58,727 Speaker 5: I think it. 687 00:33:58,647 --> 00:34:00,247 Speaker 3: Sounds like some wholesome fun mate. 688 00:34:00,287 --> 00:34:02,887 Speaker 2: If I was twenty two, I would have been staken out. 689 00:34:02,887 --> 00:34:05,607 Speaker 2: That look just like an ambush predator. I would have 690 00:34:05,687 --> 00:34:09,087 Speaker 2: been because Heath ledger swoon. I know, do you think 691 00:34:09,087 --> 00:34:12,207 Speaker 2: it's about a hunger for content or a hunger for 692 00:34:12,247 --> 00:34:13,767 Speaker 2: connection or both? 693 00:34:13,927 --> 00:34:17,327 Speaker 3: I think it's about connection. I agree that dating. All 694 00:34:17,367 --> 00:34:20,447 Speaker 3: my friends are saying, you know, dating's pretty dire if 695 00:34:20,447 --> 00:34:22,967 Speaker 3: you're going to go out, it's a really expensive thing. 696 00:34:23,607 --> 00:34:27,847 Speaker 3: This is just wholesome, simple fun, and you've got something unifying, 697 00:34:28,007 --> 00:34:30,967 Speaker 3: which is why celebrity culture is so unifying. Because you've 698 00:34:31,007 --> 00:34:33,007 Speaker 3: all got this singing comment. It's like you all know 699 00:34:33,047 --> 00:34:35,447 Speaker 3: that you're there to see Heith Ledger look alike. It's 700 00:34:35,487 --> 00:34:36,127 Speaker 3: quite simple. 701 00:34:36,327 --> 00:34:39,007 Speaker 2: Where are the female versions of this? 702 00:34:39,007 --> 00:34:40,127 Speaker 3: This is my question. 703 00:34:40,447 --> 00:34:42,367 Speaker 2: So the Sabrina Carpenter look alive. 704 00:34:42,527 --> 00:34:46,327 Speaker 3: Yes, you'll notice that they're all men. Maya, you've been 705 00:34:46,367 --> 00:34:48,447 Speaker 3: told do you look like Antonia Kidman? People say that 706 00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:51,487 Speaker 3: to your face anymore because people say it all the time. 707 00:34:51,647 --> 00:34:53,887 Speaker 1: Yeah they do. They don't usually see me in person 708 00:34:53,927 --> 00:34:57,247 Speaker 1: because Antonia Kidman's very tall. I get that. I also 709 00:34:57,367 --> 00:34:58,927 Speaker 1: get the one from the Notebook. 710 00:34:59,287 --> 00:35:00,167 Speaker 2: Rachel mccadams. 711 00:35:00,207 --> 00:35:06,887 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is exactly why women don't enter these contests. 712 00:35:08,567 --> 00:35:11,847 Speaker 1: You look like people at all, not so much lately, 713 00:35:11,927 --> 00:35:13,567 Speaker 1: but all's time to care. 714 00:35:14,287 --> 00:35:19,327 Speaker 2: See, this is why this is what the school delusional. 715 00:35:19,487 --> 00:35:22,567 Speaker 1: What woman he's going to say? It wasn't my idea. 716 00:35:22,607 --> 00:35:25,327 Speaker 1: I haven't even seen the notebook. I don't really see 717 00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:28,727 Speaker 1: the resemblance. But people, some people say it to me, 718 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,687 Speaker 1: and this is why this is why we kind of 719 00:35:31,687 --> 00:35:34,167 Speaker 1: have nice things, because also it would be kind of weird, 720 00:35:34,167 --> 00:35:35,847 Speaker 1: and isn't it funny? It would be kind of weird 721 00:35:35,887 --> 00:35:36,407 Speaker 1: and sleezy. 722 00:35:36,607 --> 00:35:40,847 Speaker 2: It would. The thing is the seven most terrifying words 723 00:35:40,927 --> 00:35:44,407 Speaker 2: in the English language. Do you know who you look like? 724 00:35:44,807 --> 00:35:49,207 Speaker 2: It's like, shush, stop that sentence there, because who you 725 00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:51,847 Speaker 2: think I look like and who I think I look 726 00:35:51,967 --> 00:35:55,007 Speaker 2: like they're not the same thing. So shush, shush, she shush. 727 00:35:55,407 --> 00:35:59,967 Speaker 2: I've seen friendships destroyed over this. I had this old 728 00:36:00,007 --> 00:36:02,767 Speaker 2: friend and someone told us she looked exactly like this 729 00:36:02,847 --> 00:36:05,767 Speaker 2: actress who was on an American show who My friend 730 00:36:05,887 --> 00:36:08,527 Speaker 2: did not take it as a compliment. She was so 731 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,047 Speaker 2: upset and she couldn't let it go, and that was 732 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:14,047 Speaker 2: it was like her self image had been shattered in 733 00:36:14,127 --> 00:36:16,407 Speaker 2: front of her eyes. You should never tell anyone who 734 00:36:16,447 --> 00:36:19,407 Speaker 2: they look like, unless that person is literally. 735 00:36:19,687 --> 00:36:22,767 Speaker 1: I didn't mind being told to look like Antony're all Rachel. 736 00:36:23,207 --> 00:36:25,007 Speaker 1: I don't see it myself, but I don't like, I 737 00:36:25,047 --> 00:36:26,407 Speaker 1: don't know, nobody does stuff. 738 00:36:28,087 --> 00:36:29,367 Speaker 2: I'm joking. 739 00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:32,687 Speaker 3: I think it's quite heartening though you. 740 00:36:32,767 --> 00:36:34,527 Speaker 2: Look like Mere Friedman. She's pretty hot. 741 00:36:34,687 --> 00:36:38,407 Speaker 3: I think it's heartening that jen Z seem to understand 742 00:36:39,207 --> 00:36:43,767 Speaker 3: that it's fundamentally different to objectify men, yeah, than to 743 00:36:43,807 --> 00:36:47,167 Speaker 3: objectify weed. So there's something about if you put a woman. 744 00:36:47,447 --> 00:36:50,007 Speaker 3: I saw rumblings of them talking about a Zendea look 745 00:36:50,087 --> 00:36:54,207 Speaker 3: like competition. Everyone went, oh naw, because what will happen 746 00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:56,767 Speaker 3: is once you line women up on a stage, it 747 00:36:56,767 --> 00:36:58,847 Speaker 3: feels like a beauty contest, and it feels like you're 748 00:36:58,887 --> 00:37:02,207 Speaker 3: starting to go you're hot, You're not. It's just steeped 749 00:37:02,207 --> 00:37:04,647 Speaker 3: in all this history and it feels misogynistic and it 750 00:37:04,647 --> 00:37:08,047 Speaker 3: feels objectifying, whereas for men it's just a bit funny. 751 00:37:08,087 --> 00:37:12,167 Speaker 1: But is that also that men who are famous tend 752 00:37:12,247 --> 00:37:13,687 Speaker 1: to look a lot of different ways? 753 00:37:13,927 --> 00:37:16,087 Speaker 3: Yeah remember the road, yeah, or something like a lot 754 00:37:16,127 --> 00:37:22,247 Speaker 3: of these men are actually not necessarily considered conventionally attractive. 755 00:37:22,247 --> 00:37:25,167 Speaker 3: And so I just keep thinking, if you were on 756 00:37:25,687 --> 00:37:29,487 Speaker 3: Hinge or something and you had one of Timothy Shallomet competition, 757 00:37:29,527 --> 00:37:33,847 Speaker 3: imagine like it is your claim to fame. I love it. 758 00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:36,967 Speaker 1: What about you too? Do you ever get comparisons. 759 00:37:36,647 --> 00:37:42,087 Speaker 3: I growing up all the time Elena Dockicch, the tennis player. Yeah, yeah, 760 00:37:42,127 --> 00:37:44,287 Speaker 3: I'll show you pictures. There was something about the coloring 761 00:37:44,287 --> 00:37:45,647 Speaker 3: when I was a kid, and I used to wear 762 00:37:45,687 --> 00:37:47,967 Speaker 3: my hair back in like a ponytail and like in 763 00:37:48,007 --> 00:37:50,327 Speaker 3: a very similar style. And she was really young and 764 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:52,087 Speaker 3: just kind of up and coming in her tennis career, 765 00:37:52,407 --> 00:37:54,087 Speaker 3: and everyone always told me I look like her. 766 00:37:54,207 --> 00:37:56,367 Speaker 1: Look you've got styles for a while, didn't he. 767 00:37:56,607 --> 00:38:01,527 Speaker 3: Oh, I think he'll tell you that, just me. He 768 00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:03,487 Speaker 3: looks so much like Harry Styles down there. 769 00:38:04,287 --> 00:38:06,647 Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody, I think because I shut 770 00:38:06,647 --> 00:38:09,087 Speaker 2: them down before they say that when I was really, 771 00:38:09,687 --> 00:38:10,687 Speaker 2: do you remember that song? 772 00:38:14,087 --> 00:38:15,927 Speaker 1: As you can? Come on, you can sing. 773 00:38:15,767 --> 00:38:20,007 Speaker 2: It, just don't push too hard. Your dreams are China 774 00:38:20,247 --> 00:38:21,047 Speaker 2: in your hands. 775 00:38:21,207 --> 00:38:22,367 Speaker 3: I think. 776 00:38:24,807 --> 00:38:27,247 Speaker 2: She had all this red hair like this. People would 777 00:38:27,287 --> 00:38:29,407 Speaker 2: be like, you look like her, and I'd be like. 778 00:38:33,447 --> 00:38:36,367 Speaker 1: Out loudders, we are going to have our own lookalike contest. 779 00:38:36,727 --> 00:38:39,327 Speaker 1: You can look like anyone. You can believe it, you 780 00:38:39,367 --> 00:38:42,207 Speaker 1: cannot believe it. We won't mock you, we won't shame 781 00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:44,647 Speaker 1: you like these bitches just did to me. 782 00:38:44,927 --> 00:38:47,527 Speaker 2: You just made me remember that Brent all the time says, 783 00:38:48,487 --> 00:38:50,447 Speaker 2: People tell me all the time that Brian Brown would 784 00:38:50,447 --> 00:38:51,247 Speaker 2: play me in the movie. 785 00:38:51,607 --> 00:38:55,327 Speaker 1: Oh dear, oh, you've just pulled up that photo like. 786 00:38:55,327 --> 00:38:57,487 Speaker 2: This is Carol Daka, this is the tapower lady. Do 787 00:38:57,527 --> 00:38:58,767 Speaker 2: I look like that? You don't? 788 00:38:58,927 --> 00:38:59,807 Speaker 1: Not look like that? 789 00:39:01,447 --> 00:39:03,527 Speaker 2: Is something wrong with her? She looks it's just like 790 00:39:03,567 --> 00:39:04,567 Speaker 2: I don't know that I do. 791 00:39:04,847 --> 00:39:08,567 Speaker 1: Anyway, Guys popping tea out Louder's Facebook group or slip 792 00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:11,127 Speaker 1: into our da with your photographic proof of who you 793 00:39:11,127 --> 00:39:14,847 Speaker 1: look like and you could win a prize. Out louder 794 00:39:14,847 --> 00:39:17,807 Speaker 1: As we have some news. Out loud is going on 795 00:39:17,847 --> 00:39:20,647 Speaker 1: tour in twenty twenty five, so it's a few months. 796 00:39:20,687 --> 00:39:22,007 Speaker 2: Actually, I'm packing. 797 00:39:22,207 --> 00:39:25,047 Speaker 1: The start of twenty twenty five. 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