WEBVTT - My Husband Retired And I've Never Hated Anyone More

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I'm Ama Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to Unleashed, the podcast for gen X

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<v Speaker 2>women who need a laugh. If you remember Live.

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<v Speaker 3>Aid, Huffball, Skirts, learning to drive without power steering, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know categorically, baby should never.

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<v Speaker 2>Be put in the corner. You're in the right place, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Who we got on the coach today.

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<v Speaker 4>I am Sally Hipworth, She's back.

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<v Speaker 1>I am brunupv Andrea and I'm a film and TV producer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kat Mahony. I'm a comedian.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, I'm Grace Lamb Fashion Stylish up.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, listeners, I want you to unclench a your

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<v Speaker 3>clench a pelvic floor and get ready to unleash Sally.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so nice to have you back, come back, come back,

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<v Speaker 3>dominating that you were NATed States of America.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so good.

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<v Speaker 6>You've got a voice for wrestling.

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<v Speaker 5>Cat that you sound like that, and you've been America

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<v Speaker 5>for too long.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think I have.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know what I loved about it.

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<v Speaker 4>The tour went really well and the book sold lots

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<v Speaker 4>of copies, so tick tick tick. But I was listening

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<v Speaker 4>to you guys while I was away, and I just

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<v Speaker 4>loved hearing your wrestling voice, all of your stories, and

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like a little piece of home.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I want to know is how did you travel

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<v Speaker 5>with your boyfriend? Really well, so your first trip together it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was well, we've traveled together a little bit, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was the first tour that we did together, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't sure. The thing about touring is that it's very

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<v Speaker 4>intense and there's not a lot of time for fun.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's work mode and it's very much You wake

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<v Speaker 4>up in a hotel, you get up, you get on

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<v Speaker 4>a plane, you fly somewhere, you get off the plane

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<v Speaker 4>and go to the hotel, get dressed, do your event,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sign for hours, and then get home at midnight,

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<v Speaker 4>do that all again for two weeks. So he did

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<v Speaker 4>so well. He was a big help.

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<v Speaker 6>We called him Bagman Dan, and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Was so helpful to me, and he had no issue

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<v Speaker 4>with it being it had to be kind of all

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<v Speaker 4>about me, which you know, but it was lovely and

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<v Speaker 4>I think our relationship survived good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it is lovely to have the gang back,

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<v Speaker 3>or some of the gang. Okay, before we start, I

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<v Speaker 3>have a bone to pick, Grace. Last week you claimed

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<v Speaker 3>that you caught knits from public transports.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I swear by it.

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<v Speaker 2>What all right? This is Grace last week, ladies, I

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<v Speaker 2>knew it.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew it that day when we went on a

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<v Speaker 5>tram and it was very crowded and we were so

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<v Speaker 5>squashed with these people. I swear to god, it's from

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<v Speaker 5>the I'm one hundred percent what a tram? Yes, bitches,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a tram.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh dear, well, listen, we've got so many begs to differ.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a mess from one of our co hosts,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Ginny Mansburg, who was listening to last week's episode

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<v Speaker 3>screaming in the car and having none of it.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my goodness, Grace, I love you, but you're full

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<v Speaker 7>of shit. You cannot catch it from a tram. It's

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<v Speaker 7>a transferred from one heir to another when the heads

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<v Speaker 7>are touching. So my official doctor diagnosis, I reckon it

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<v Speaker 7>was probably from your precious school age beautiful son THEO,

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<v Speaker 7>not from strangers on public transport.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, love you, Grace is like no child of mine.

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<v Speaker 5>I think doctor Jiniy needs to go back to medical school.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, she's so right.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, let's not get itchy again, please, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>In my hand, I have the talking stick the rules

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<v Speaker 3>are you have the talking stick, you can talk about

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely anything you want. We will probably interrupt and we

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<v Speaker 3>will probably take the pists. So who would like the

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<v Speaker 3>talking stick? I would like the talking Sally.

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<v Speaker 2>Hepworth talking stick.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, thank you, Kathy Mcat. I have been waiting

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<v Speaker 4>weeks for this stick because I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>something confronting that has been happening to me. There's something

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<v Speaker 4>that you guys probably have picked about me, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is that I'm very advanced in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 4>I was at the first of my friends to become

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<v Speaker 4>middle age. When I was twenty, they deemed that I was,

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<v Speaker 4>in fact forty and so now that I'm forty five,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm going on eighty five. And a

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<v Speaker 4>few things happened while I was away in America that

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<v Speaker 4>helped kind.

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<v Speaker 6>Of confirm this for me.

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<v Speaker 4>The first one was around food and around the you

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<v Speaker 4>know in America, some of you know very large portions.

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<v Speaker 1>Very large portions, like everything is big.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything comes with fries, it comes with salad, it comes

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<v Speaker 4>with the never ending drink on the side, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in the old days, more of a middle aged Sally.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was in my twenty I might have just

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<v Speaker 4>well eaten it all and drunk it all, or if

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want it, I might have just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>left what I didn't want to eat. But the newly

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<v Speaker 4>elderly Sally looks at the food that's.

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<v Speaker 6>There and gets annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did they give me all that?

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<v Speaker 6>You know what is?

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<v Speaker 5>This is so wasteful.

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<v Speaker 4>I also doing some of those other telltale things, like

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<v Speaker 4>I've got my favorite trolley at the supermart.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on the trolley.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got the shallow trolley.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you vying for like a seniors card next? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we close to that?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to get the scene the.

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<v Speaker 1>Youngest of our group. You know that, because you've reminded.

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<v Speaker 6>Me like three times.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm prematurely elderly. I'm the oldest one of the

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<v Speaker 4>group really at heart, And so I guess I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about the things, the many things that have made

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<v Speaker 4>me realize that I'm elderly, and I'm wondering if you

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<v Speaker 4>guys have got any of these sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got loads, got loads, full loads, ye daily remind.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to drive when it's dark.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, as soon as it gets dark I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just anxiety. If somebody wants to go for dinner

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<v Speaker 3>and it's later than five point thirty, I veto it

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<v Speaker 3>and say let's go for lunch.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, there's apparently some science to that.

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<v Speaker 4>I read about circadian rhythms of elderly people, and elderly

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<v Speaker 4>people are quite protective of their sleep, as we know,

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<v Speaker 4>and the circadian rhythms change for the elderly, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they do eat too late they're up, then it can

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<v Speaker 4>really destroy their sleep. So that might be you're on

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<v Speaker 4>the right path.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to pay extra to go Gold class, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>because I want to put my feet up because my

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<v Speaker 3>back will hurt the cinema at the cinema, Yeah, plus

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<v Speaker 3>anybody else making any noise shits made, Yes, So if

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<v Speaker 3>you're in gold class, there's less people, so I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>happy with that. I also will move a lot in

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant till I find a really quiet spot because

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<v Speaker 3>noise really bothers me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now order anyone else.

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<v Speaker 5>So I whenever I call my mother, who's eighty four,

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<v Speaker 5>eighty five, eighty six, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>When I call something like that, once.

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<v Speaker 5>You past eighties, who's counting, right? So whenever I call her.

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<v Speaker 5>She literally would just go do.

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<v Speaker 4>This, why why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 5>Like one hundred times. Sometimes I have to take my

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<v Speaker 5>phone away from me because I can't deal with that kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of noise, just the volume, or is shouting at you

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<v Speaker 4>a particular thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Just anything, Like anytime I call her, she's all she

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<v Speaker 5>does this at least ten times. Will she even say

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<v Speaker 5>first sentence even when she calls me. So I find

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<v Speaker 5>myself doing that with my son. Oh yeah, I find

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<v Speaker 5>myself do that and I'm like, no, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 5>And also I find myself I have to ask my

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<v Speaker 5>son for to explain what this acronymer. Yeah, Like, do

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<v Speaker 5>you guys know what rf L means?

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<v Speaker 2>I call it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well laughing?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Roll on the floor laughing? Oh, b au, do you

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<v Speaker 5>know what that is?

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<v Speaker 6>Business as usual?

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<v Speaker 5>No shit, No, keep guessing?

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<v Speaker 1>S y what s y?

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<v Speaker 5>B au? Oh, shut your bitch ass up. So we're

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<v Speaker 5>very behind, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the problem with getting older. You never felt better emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you're like, you know more, but then

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<v Speaker 1>your body doesn't agree. Here's the thing that happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me that nobody told me about. Floaters in the eyes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>floaters like It's a really real thing. As you get

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<v Speaker 1>older degrade. Everyone's eyesight gets worse as they get older.

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<v Speaker 1>Floaters like like, you looked like there's a bug in

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<v Speaker 1>front and you're swatting it with your hand. And I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the eye do older. He's like, yeah, you've got floaters.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't really take the mask.

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<v Speaker 6>I never heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brain very disconcerted.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be.

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<v Speaker 6>Is definitely across the board.

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<v Speaker 4>Will will get worse for people. And I remember my

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<v Speaker 4>mum was particularly bad at going to the optometry. She

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't see, but instead of doing that, she would go

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<v Speaker 4>to the chemist and just buy increasingly strong magnifying glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were everywhere. They were in the car, they

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<v Speaker 4>were in you know, the pockets of her dressing gowns.

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<v Speaker 4>They were all over the house. And that was something

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<v Speaker 4>we always gave her so much shit about. And now

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<v Speaker 4>same at my house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got multiple glasses stashed for like every week

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<v Speaker 3>going to beds at my desk.

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes I will put my sonnies over the top

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<v Speaker 4>of my glass.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll double up. That's a signer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think where I have ended up with all of

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<v Speaker 4>this very prematurely aging thing is that the youth is

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<v Speaker 4>so overrated. It is so mu much better being middle aged, elderly.

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<v Speaker 4>And actually people have been lying to kids all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and they lied to us because this is the best

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<v Speaker 4>part of our lives, all of our glasses on. Who

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<v Speaker 4>wants the stick?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like it, Sally Hepworth. Thank you very much, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you very much. Okay, look, I need a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>therapy around this. A couple of weeks ago, my son

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<v Speaker 3>Mother's Day, as we're in the car, this is where

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<v Speaker 3>he does all of his big discussions, shares with me

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<v Speaker 3>that he has not lost his ear pods, he's had

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<v Speaker 3>them stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm still a bit of.

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<v Speaker 5>You're talking about air pods?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sorry, what did I call it?

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<v Speaker 1>A pods?

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of old age?

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<v Speaker 1>You know the walk pieces AirPods.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm terrible and I am my mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I then realized that they were originally my ear pods,

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<v Speaker 3>air pods that I've given to him. And when you

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<v Speaker 3>buy air pods, you can connect them to your iPhone

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<v Speaker 3>and then there's like a tracking device. It's like magnum

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<v Speaker 3>p I for you know, lost Apple.

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<v Speaker 1>Goods, brilliant. I've used it many times so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good when you when you want to find something. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Realized that I could look on the app and see

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<v Speaker 3>where they were. And it's so freaky because all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden they're moving and this little pesky person is

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<v Speaker 3>going up and down the Anzac Parade and going to

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<v Speaker 3>Couldji and then to Marubra and then they went to

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<v Speaker 3>Botany and watching them very active, I feel like they

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<v Speaker 3>were on a bus.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like a bus.

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<v Speaker 5>But yes, enjoying listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted there to be a button where I

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<v Speaker 3>could sort of like cut through whatever audio it was,

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<v Speaker 3>to be like, I am following you.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what if I was in Apple The just idea

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<v Speaker 3>for the next lot of AirPods put that in so

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<v Speaker 3>when they do get lost, you can like override. I

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<v Speaker 3>could keep playing Clapton.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. Anyway, I was so angry the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the week.

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<v Speaker 3>I've now told everybody that will listen in my life

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<v Speaker 3>and keep sending screenshots to people of where that my

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriend is, like right, come and see me, because they're

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<v Speaker 3>really close to her.

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<v Speaker 2>She lives in Sydney. Let's do this. So three days

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<v Speaker 2>in we.

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<v Speaker 3>Get in the car like we are Cagney and Lacy

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<v Speaker 3>and we pull up where the AirPods are stopped, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's a unit block, so we're scuppered. The plan is scuppered.

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<v Speaker 3>She was ready, like a current affair style to bad to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, Keith, did you call a counterfear?

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<v Speaker 2>She was on that.

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<v Speaker 3>She was ready to film the person to be I

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<v Speaker 3>know I can prove.

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<v Speaker 2>That they are mine, because look at my phone.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to understand, like, what was your plan, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>so you've got your friend drive down there? Were you

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<v Speaker 4>going to march on in and say I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of misunderstands.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to use the word misunderstanding as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to stolen. Yes, I was going to say, I think

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you've picked up the wrong pair by accident. And

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<v Speaker 3>we were ready to go, and so like my adrenaline

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<v Speaker 3>level like was through. I mean, I know what it

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<v Speaker 3>must be like to be an astronaut to go into space.

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it's exactly the same, exactly, that's a little bit different, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The same anyway, And it was a real come down

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<v Speaker 3>that that I just but I can't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is I cannot stop looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they are you can see where they are.

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<v Speaker 2>I can still see where they.

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<v Speaker 3>Are, no, because a move, they're on the move.

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<v Speaker 2>When they're in a unit. There were like eighteen apartments.

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<v Speaker 2>I checked, Grace. Can't you go? You need to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the door by door. And I didn't want to stake

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<v Speaker 2>them like I was a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>If there was a phone, you could make a really

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<v Speaker 1>loud noise and you, yeah, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to do in a public space.

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<v Speaker 4>And you go there and you were costs and your

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<v Speaker 4>son's quite big, isn't he take care?

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<v Speaker 1>Tackle them down?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on.

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<v Speaker 5>Very I don't know that it's a thug.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, are they still online? And if so,

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<v Speaker 4>can you look where they are now? And I'm available

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<v Speaker 4>after we finish here stop, I would like to volunteer.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm volunteering Grace as well.

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<v Speaker 5>They're still don't steal from me. Who steal from me,

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<v Speaker 5>they will have to pay.

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<v Speaker 6>That's how I roll.

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<v Speaker 5>When Jason first s art dating, he was living in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in Hong Kong. We were going out somewhere

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<v Speaker 5>and we went home and then we shut the taxi

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<v Speaker 5>door and he goes, oh my god, my phone like

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<v Speaker 5>this right, I was in five inch heels. I started

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<v Speaker 5>running like for at gun while he was watching me laughing,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, no, that phone's going to come back

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<v Speaker 5>and we can see it going travel around Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, oh my god, Like whoever still

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<v Speaker 5>from me? I always Chase always you needed Grace.

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<v Speaker 4>If she's.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can't do them anymore. Like if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>in the States and even in the UK, it's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 5>You gotta just let them take it. Nothing's worth it, yes, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone will literally kill you. Cannot you can't do road rage.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot you confront anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, take Grace and me. We're going to

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<v Speaker 4>the apartment block when we're done.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're doing that after the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, guys, I'm gonna gift you a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of AirPods just so you do not pull yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>arms away. Have my friends putting themselves in arms away?

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<v Speaker 5>So what is this about? Is it about injustice?

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<v Speaker 2>Look? I think it is Grace.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the fact that I'm a solo mum

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<v Speaker 3>and these things are not cheap and I can't just

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<v Speaker 3>replace stuff, and you know they were expensive. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bit of perimenopause rage too, if I'm honest.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and I think it's I think it's because

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<v Speaker 3>I can see them. You know, we've all lost stuff

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<v Speaker 3>over the years, but I can see these little critters

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<v Speaker 3>moving around in my case, and I pistolf.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like one little thing in this uncontrollable world that

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<v Speaker 4>you can control. Yes, and put your laser focus of

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<v Speaker 4>your rage onto.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But I'm also with Bruna.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to end up with a black eye,

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<v Speaker 3>or if the kid has picked them up by accident,

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<v Speaker 3>that the kids then in trouble with the parents.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do have a little bit of kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that going on.

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<v Speaker 4>To Kath You are really all over the place with this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's destroying your sanity, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>take it out of your hands. What you need to

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<v Speaker 4>do is you're going to unpair your phone from this device.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to give them with love to their new

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<v Speaker 4>owner in the apartment block, and we are going to

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<v Speaker 4>take a deep breath and we're going to let it go. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>while we're cursing this person, we will also put their

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<v Speaker 4>name in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it all right, press and remove do it? Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see.

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<v Speaker 5>This move press move good okay girl now deep breath done?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel good?

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<v Speaker 4>And let's all as a team.

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<v Speaker 6>Let it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me need grace, Let go all right?

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<v Speaker 6>How do you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel lighter? Do you real I do? Thanks good?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been eating me up.

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<v Speaker 5>Kathma, honey, you are free. Now let them have it.

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<v Speaker 5>Karma will get them.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, yes, let them robins, let them.

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<v Speaker 2>Who needs a talking stick? Now? Oh, grace, lamb, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 5>So, ladies, everyone's talking about Devil West Parlor too. And

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<v Speaker 5>Merrol Strip came up on my algorithm. And what I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know was when she first got approached to do

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<v Speaker 5>the first one, she reject it because she wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>negotiate better. But because she said no, then they came

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<v Speaker 5>back to her and double her salary, and I thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 5>she was fifty six at that point, and even she

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<v Speaker 5>said she didn't know she could do that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>And hear Eryl.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, right, let's go and hear what Mary had

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<v Speaker 5>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>They called me up and they made an offer and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, no, I'm not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see. I knew it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a hit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to see if I doubled my ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, And they went right away and said sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, I'm fifty sixty. It took me this

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<v Speaker 1>long to understand that I could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can ask for what you want.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I mean that's Meryl Streep.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on.

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<v Speaker 5>I was actually quite shocked. I mean, ladies, if Meryl

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<v Speaker 5>Streep can only work this out at fifty six, what

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<v Speaker 5>chance do we hear?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>What is something that you wanted afraid to ask?

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<v Speaker 6>Okays, Oh, I'm terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely really terrible. I think I was a publicist

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty years. I could ask for other things for people,

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<v Speaker 3>but when it came to doing it for me, terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think as I've got older.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got worse. I was more ballsy.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I was a mum. I remember going for a

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<v Speaker 3>job at Channel nine and speaking to like somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>worked there who was a guy, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>as for this, like I was, you know, being into

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<v Speaker 3>view by Eddie Maguire kind of that's when it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was, And I was like, no way, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just weighed.

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<v Speaker 3>In like a baller and I got this amazing pay

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<v Speaker 3>packet and a parking space.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I just would never have the balls to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Are you really sad? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a freelancing too, isn't it. You'd never

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<v Speaker 3>quite know when the next thing's coming, so it's like

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just grab it, I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Bruno, Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on both sides of this, obviously, because I also

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<v Speaker 1>employed a lot of actors and actresses and I've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the kind of double standard for years, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so men have traditionally male actors of traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>movie star has been paid more. There's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times that has happened where male co stars have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>up for their female coastars. Very famously Chadwick the Lake,

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<v Speaker 1>Chadwick Boseman spoken up used part of his salary for

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<v Speaker 1>his coas star Sienna Miller so that she earned the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount. In the film twenty one Bridges, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think also Mark Wahlberg when they were doing reshoots for

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<v Speaker 1>this movie, all the money in the world wanted to make,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to pay Michelle Williams as much to

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<v Speaker 1>do the reshoots, and it was a big moment I

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<v Speaker 1>remember in Hollywood because he was kind of standing up

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, no, she's a star as well, she should

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<v Speaker 1>be paid the same. And I do think women, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we all need coaching. It's actually something e mcgreed talks

0:20:53.514 --> 0:20:56.074
<v Speaker 1>about a lot, right She's kind of an amazing she's

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<v Speaker 1>the person talking about women in business right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I love about her style is she's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>ask for what you need and ask for what you want.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm very much in that mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think this goes beyond work. And here's an

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<v Speaker 4>example from my own life. My biggest fear I think

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<v Speaker 4>in life is inconveniencing other people. Thank you Mum and

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<v Speaker 4>all the Catholic guilt that has laid that on me.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I will actually, you know, someone will come

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<v Speaker 4>to my house to do this. Happened yesterday. I had

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<v Speaker 4>an ear tasker come over to put a new door

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<v Speaker 4>but like an auto lock thing that's got the fingerprint

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<v Speaker 4>to let you in the house. I'm so excited about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And as he did it, he ended up getting saw

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<v Speaker 4>dust all over the floor and he did offer to

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<v Speaker 4>clean it up, and I just said, oh no, that,

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry about it, I'll do it, And it was

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<v Speaker 4>a real pain in the ass. And afterwards Dan was like,

0:21:51.434 --> 0:21:53.194
<v Speaker 4>why didn't you get him to do it? That's a

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<v Speaker 4>really small thing. But that's just a classic kind of

0:21:56.074 --> 0:21:59.954
<v Speaker 4>I will to make any awkwardness go away. I will

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<v Speaker 4>absorb the unpleasantness in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I spoke to quite a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>about this, and what I find very interesting is a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of women, a lot of even young girls, find

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<v Speaker 5>it quite hard to negotiate for themselves. And because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not Australian originally, right, what I find interesting working in

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<v Speaker 5>Australia is that you guys don't negotiate.

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<v Speaker 6>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Like let's say someone ask me to do a social

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<v Speaker 5>media collaboration, I'll give my prize. Go oh my god,

0:22:26.634 --> 0:22:30.034
<v Speaker 5>you're too expensive, always too expensive, And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>what's your baseline? Oh no, no, no, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I meet in Hong Kong or even in London,

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<v Speaker 5>is a discussion? Is it open discussion? So sometimes I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of feel you have to stand your ground when

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<v Speaker 5>you asked for something. Yeah, I agree, So don't be afraid, ladies,

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think it helps if you have got a

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<v Speaker 4>backing of yourself and yourself in that particular area, if

0:22:53.274 --> 0:22:56.114
<v Speaker 4>you think, yeah, I'm worth this. And obviously Merrill was

0:22:56.114 --> 0:22:58.194
<v Speaker 4>stepping in going you know, I know this is a

0:22:58.194 --> 0:22:59.954
<v Speaker 4>big budget. I know you've got the money, and I

0:23:00.034 --> 0:23:02.274
<v Speaker 4>know that you're going to give it to me because

0:23:02.314 --> 0:23:04.234
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to bring that value. I think that's when

0:23:04.234 --> 0:23:06.434
<v Speaker 4>you can really it stops being like a wing and

0:23:06.474 --> 0:23:09.313
<v Speaker 4>a prayer and it starts being this is a solid

0:23:09.314 --> 0:23:11.074
<v Speaker 4>offer for both of us, and I think that's when

0:23:11.074 --> 0:23:13.114
<v Speaker 4>you can really do your best pitch.

0:23:13.434 --> 0:23:16.154
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, let's channel Marra every time I negotiate. Yeap, Let's

0:23:16.154 --> 0:23:17.154
<v Speaker 5>go maraw Gomez.

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<v Speaker 1>So while we're talking about work, there is something I

0:23:19.594 --> 0:23:21.234
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about cause I have the talking sticks.

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<v Speaker 4>You can.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys know, I travel a lot for work.

0:23:25.234 --> 0:23:27.434
<v Speaker 1>I live here as of a few years ago, but

0:23:27.714 --> 0:23:29.754
<v Speaker 1>my main business is still in Hollywood, so I go

0:23:29.794 --> 0:23:33.034
<v Speaker 1>back and forth a lot. I have never once regretted

0:23:33.074 --> 0:23:36.674
<v Speaker 1>a trip, and my works really important to me. I'm

0:23:36.874 --> 0:23:40.274
<v Speaker 1>ambitious and I love it. But last week I got

0:23:40.314 --> 0:23:43.394
<v Speaker 1>on a plane. I knew I shouldn't get on. Everything

0:23:43.434 --> 0:23:47.154
<v Speaker 1>in me said this is not the time to leave.

0:23:47.714 --> 0:23:51.634
<v Speaker 1>I just really knew that my daughter, you know, my

0:23:51.714 --> 0:23:55.514
<v Speaker 1>kids have just started seventh grade, she started a new school.

0:23:55.754 --> 0:23:58.194
<v Speaker 1>I had just been away, and there's been a lot

0:23:58.234 --> 0:24:00.714
<v Speaker 1>going on, just you know a lot of stuff kind

0:24:00.714 --> 0:24:05.874
<v Speaker 1>of you know, tough stuff around the family. And I

0:24:05.954 --> 0:24:09.794
<v Speaker 1>am not kidding. I was at the airport in the lounge,

0:24:09.874 --> 0:24:13.553
<v Speaker 1>still thinking about I should just go home. Really, I

0:24:13.594 --> 0:24:16.394
<v Speaker 1>can easily put this strip off. But I get on

0:24:16.434 --> 0:24:20.154
<v Speaker 1>the plane and then I just burst into tears. So

0:24:20.194 --> 0:24:24.274
<v Speaker 1>then I'm just crying basically all the way to New

0:24:24.354 --> 0:24:25.074
<v Speaker 1>York to LA.

0:24:25.394 --> 0:24:26.114
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I make it to LA. I burst into tears, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Was something going on at home? Like during this time

0:24:33.594 --> 0:24:36.154
<v Speaker 4>when you're feeling so emotional, what was happening was were

0:24:36.234 --> 0:24:38.194
<v Speaker 4>you in touch at home or you just spidy senses

0:24:38.194 --> 0:24:38.834
<v Speaker 4>were telling you something?

0:24:38.834 --> 0:24:38.954
<v Speaker 3>Long?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So my daughter that day had called and said

0:24:43.754 --> 0:24:45.474
<v Speaker 1>like she was just in tears and she just needed

0:24:45.474 --> 0:24:48.834
<v Speaker 1>an emotional day. What I never asked for. Yeah, So

0:24:48.874 --> 0:24:50.794
<v Speaker 1>she took the day. So then I went to sleep

0:24:50.794 --> 0:24:53.114
<v Speaker 1>and had the only good night's sleep I've had so far.

0:24:53.714 --> 0:24:56.194
<v Speaker 1>So i wake up and I'm ready for an entire

0:24:56.274 --> 0:24:59.914
<v Speaker 1>week of meetings, and I'm sitting at breakfast in my

0:24:59.994 --> 0:25:04.594
<v Speaker 1>first meeting, and my husband calls and he goes, you know,

0:25:05.274 --> 0:25:08.354
<v Speaker 1>she's just not doing well. She's really missed, she's really struggling.

0:25:08.674 --> 0:25:12.354
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen is very hard age. And I just said, like

0:25:12.434 --> 0:25:13.954
<v Speaker 1>I put her on the fight, I got her on

0:25:13.954 --> 0:25:15.914
<v Speaker 1>the FaceTime. I'm gonna want to cry talking about her.

0:25:15.954 --> 0:25:18.314
<v Speaker 1>And I said, I'm going to come home. I'm gonna

0:25:18.314 --> 0:25:21.514
<v Speaker 1>get on a plane tonight, literally so emotional. And I said,

0:25:21.794 --> 0:25:23.874
<v Speaker 1>Mommy's getting on a plane tonight. And she was so like,

0:25:23.914 --> 0:25:26.273
<v Speaker 1>what really killed me. It was how surprised she was

0:25:26.354 --> 0:25:28.434
<v Speaker 1>that I said that, And she was like, would you

0:25:28.514 --> 0:25:31.194
<v Speaker 1>do that for me? And I was like, you are

0:25:31.234 --> 0:25:33.554
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing in the world, Like I can

0:25:33.594 --> 0:25:36.874
<v Speaker 1>come back and do this anytime. And so I was

0:25:36.914 --> 0:25:38.313
<v Speaker 1>actually in the middle of a meeting. I said to

0:25:38.314 --> 0:25:40.273
<v Speaker 1>my meeting, I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna get on

0:25:40.314 --> 0:25:42.353
<v Speaker 1>the phone and change my flight. And I did. I

0:25:42.394 --> 0:25:47.033
<v Speaker 1>went home and it was amazing, and it was also

0:25:47.234 --> 0:25:49.954
<v Speaker 1>it was really the biggest lesson for me was I

0:25:50.034 --> 0:25:51.553
<v Speaker 1>knew that I shouldn't have gone on that trip, and

0:25:51.594 --> 0:25:53.994
<v Speaker 1>I didn't listen to my instincts. And I'm sure that

0:25:54.154 --> 0:25:56.354
<v Speaker 1>is true for so many people about so many things.

0:25:56.874 --> 0:26:01.114
<v Speaker 1>Women's instincts are so strong, so strong, san I knew.

0:26:01.194 --> 0:26:05.154
<v Speaker 1>And here's when I really knew. My husband, who's always

0:26:05.274 --> 0:26:07.674
<v Speaker 1>like I got this and really has so much of

0:26:07.714 --> 0:26:09.394
<v Speaker 1>it all the time, he said, I think you need

0:26:09.434 --> 0:26:13.074
<v Speaker 1>to come home, and he's never in the thousands of

0:26:13.074 --> 0:26:16.154
<v Speaker 1>trips I've taken, he's never said that. And I just

0:26:16.194 --> 0:26:18.474
<v Speaker 1>said to my daughter, listen, next time I travel will

0:26:18.514 --> 0:26:21.353
<v Speaker 1>be together. Wait till you're on school holidays and we'll

0:26:21.394 --> 0:26:24.474
<v Speaker 1>go together. So it was a great lesson for me,

0:26:24.714 --> 0:26:26.234
<v Speaker 1>but also very emotional week.

0:26:26.514 --> 0:26:29.594
<v Speaker 5>It's amazing that she thought, would you do that for me?

0:26:29.674 --> 0:26:31.914
<v Speaker 5>I mean, of course you would do that for her, right.

0:26:31.954 --> 0:26:36.394
<v Speaker 5>It's so sweet but also quite surprising when they think

0:26:36.474 --> 0:26:38.954
<v Speaker 5>that you put your job first before them.

0:26:39.274 --> 0:26:43.033
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, well I think sometimes I have, truthfully,

0:26:43.154 --> 0:26:46.434
<v Speaker 1>because that's the real thing, because I think now I

0:26:46.434 --> 0:26:49.434
<v Speaker 1>would never have. Obviously they really needed me, and I

0:26:49.634 --> 0:26:52.434
<v Speaker 1>definitely felt because kids can miss you and it's always hard,

0:26:52.554 --> 0:26:54.994
<v Speaker 1>like remember when we used to, you know, you drop

0:26:55.034 --> 0:26:56.793
<v Speaker 1>your kids and then cry and then five seconds later

0:26:56.834 --> 0:27:01.034
<v Speaker 1>they'd be okay. So I think that that's the other

0:27:01.114 --> 0:27:03.914
<v Speaker 1>key is like I just knew that you know, she

0:27:04.114 --> 0:27:06.954
<v Speaker 1>really needed me in that moment, and also I needed them.

0:27:07.154 --> 0:27:08.594
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what am I doing here?

0:27:08.754 --> 0:27:08.994
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:27:09.074 --> 0:27:11.634
<v Speaker 2>Have you had that thought before? Has that you before?

0:27:11.914 --> 0:27:15.674
<v Speaker 1>I mean when they were little, I would feel some guilt,

0:27:16.554 --> 0:27:19.354
<v Speaker 1>but never, it's never. I mean of all the trips

0:27:19.394 --> 0:27:21.434
<v Speaker 1>I've taken in all the years that I've traveled, it was.

0:27:21.434 --> 0:27:22.914
<v Speaker 2>Like a full body feeling.

0:27:23.154 --> 0:27:26.194
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a full body feeling of like, you know.

0:27:26.194 --> 0:27:30.074
<v Speaker 4>I wonder, Bruna, like, how do you know I've never

0:27:30.114 --> 0:27:32.154
<v Speaker 4>been good with instincts, like And it's actually one of

0:27:32.154 --> 0:27:34.114
<v Speaker 4>the things that I feel kind of ashamed of as

0:27:34.114 --> 0:27:36.634
<v Speaker 4>a mother, because you know, people think that mothers have

0:27:36.674 --> 0:27:39.474
<v Speaker 4>got these strong instincts, and I don't know that I

0:27:39.554 --> 0:27:42.954
<v Speaker 4>necessarily do. And I think that that my if I

0:27:43.034 --> 0:27:45.194
<v Speaker 4>was to listen to my guard I would never travel

0:27:45.234 --> 0:27:47.754
<v Speaker 4>because it always like I don't know the difference between

0:27:47.754 --> 0:27:52.314
<v Speaker 4>guilt and instincts. And also as having a flexible job,

0:27:52.394 --> 0:27:55.874
<v Speaker 4>as you do and as we all do, I think

0:27:55.914 --> 0:27:58.714
<v Speaker 4>the real challenge of it is that because we can

0:27:58.794 --> 0:28:01.394
<v Speaker 4>say yes or no, yes I'll go or no, I

0:28:01.434 --> 0:28:05.394
<v Speaker 4>won't go, it feels different to if we.

0:28:05.514 --> 0:28:08.313
<v Speaker 5>It was just our job to go, and you know,

0:28:08.514 --> 0:28:09.033
<v Speaker 5>we have.

0:28:08.954 --> 0:28:09.594
<v Speaker 6>To go to work.

0:28:09.634 --> 0:28:12.033
<v Speaker 1>We all work for ourselves, every single one of us.

0:28:12.154 --> 0:28:12.474
<v Speaker 2>We do.

0:28:12.514 --> 0:28:15.114
<v Speaker 4>And while you know it is there are so many

0:28:15.154 --> 0:28:17.674
<v Speaker 4>privileges of that, and there are so many benefits, and

0:28:17.714 --> 0:28:21.353
<v Speaker 4>that does allow for flexibility. The truth is that you

0:28:21.394 --> 0:28:24.474
<v Speaker 4>don't have the option to say I won't go every time,

0:28:24.474 --> 0:28:27.074
<v Speaker 4>which is why she probably felt like, oh, you would

0:28:27.074 --> 0:28:29.834
<v Speaker 4>do that, because it's not something that can happen every time.

0:28:29.954 --> 0:28:32.354
<v Speaker 4>Some work trips are non negotiable.

0:28:32.954 --> 0:28:35.553
<v Speaker 5>So what is going on? Because this is very unlike you.

0:28:35.634 --> 0:28:39.114
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we're all ambitious women, So what's going on?

0:28:39.594 --> 0:28:42.474
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's so complicated, right, because I've

0:28:42.514 --> 0:28:44.834
<v Speaker 1>spent my life also saying to my daughter when she says,

0:28:45.954 --> 0:28:48.514
<v Speaker 1>why do you have to go away? I never say, oh,

0:28:48.554 --> 0:28:50.914
<v Speaker 1>I have to earn a living, I said, because mummy

0:28:50.954 --> 0:28:52.834
<v Speaker 1>loves it. She had a job she loved before you,

0:28:52.874 --> 0:28:54.954
<v Speaker 1>and I do love it. I love being in person,

0:28:55.354 --> 0:28:57.834
<v Speaker 1>I love being on film sets like I love my job.

0:28:58.154 --> 0:28:59.914
<v Speaker 1>I mean it must be the same for you, sal right,

0:28:59.954 --> 0:29:02.594
<v Speaker 1>you get to meet your readers and be these amazing events.

0:29:02.754 --> 0:29:04.074
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel when you travel?

0:29:04.114 --> 0:29:04.594
<v Speaker 6>I love it.

0:29:04.634 --> 0:29:07.234
<v Speaker 4>I do love it, and it is something that was

0:29:07.274 --> 0:29:11.234
<v Speaker 4>also a non negotiable of the job. And you know,

0:29:11.394 --> 0:29:15.674
<v Speaker 4>people talk about flexible lives as it's a real pro

0:29:15.834 --> 0:29:18.914
<v Speaker 4>but actually you do have to as when you are

0:29:18.954 --> 0:29:22.914
<v Speaker 4>an ambitious, successful person, there are things that come with that,

0:29:23.034 --> 0:29:24.994
<v Speaker 4>and part of that is travel, and part of that is.

0:29:24.994 --> 0:29:25.874
<v Speaker 6>A lot of work.

0:29:26.274 --> 0:29:30.754
<v Speaker 4>And you can't turn off the guilt from that, particularly

0:29:30.794 --> 0:29:32.994
<v Speaker 4>if you're enjoying it. And there are really good things

0:29:33.034 --> 0:29:36.994
<v Speaker 4>about it too, But I still don't know what the

0:29:37.114 --> 0:29:39.354
<v Speaker 4>answer is. I think sometimes you're going to mess it

0:29:39.434 --> 0:29:42.714
<v Speaker 4>up and go at the wrong time, like you just experienced,

0:29:42.754 --> 0:29:45.434
<v Speaker 4>and other times you know you'll go and it'll be

0:29:45.954 --> 0:29:49.274
<v Speaker 4>you know, is it worth, you know, leaving your kids behind.

0:29:49.314 --> 0:29:52.674
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the thing is, I think it's unique for

0:29:52.874 --> 0:29:56.154
<v Speaker 4>women to be going through this because when men go

0:29:56.234 --> 0:29:58.954
<v Speaker 4>to work. My dad traveled a lot when I was

0:29:58.954 --> 0:30:01.514
<v Speaker 4>a child. He'd go off for six weeks at a

0:30:01.554 --> 0:30:05.794
<v Speaker 4>time sometimes and we didn't miss a beat because Mum

0:30:05.914 --> 0:30:08.474
<v Speaker 4>was getting on with things. But he never came home

0:30:08.514 --> 0:30:11.754
<v Speaker 4>and said, oh, I'm so sorry that I had to

0:30:11.794 --> 0:30:12.394
<v Speaker 4>be at work.

0:30:12.434 --> 0:30:13.194
<v Speaker 6>He wasn't guilty.

0:30:13.234 --> 0:30:16.554
<v Speaker 4>We all understood that he was doing the work, and

0:30:16.594 --> 0:30:18.834
<v Speaker 4>my kids do understand that to some extent.

0:30:19.114 --> 0:30:21.634
<v Speaker 1>But I have the opposite situation, whereas my husband's always

0:30:21.634 --> 0:30:23.994
<v Speaker 1>been the one who, even though we run a business together,

0:30:24.034 --> 0:30:25.714
<v Speaker 1>he could never leave them for the amount of time

0:30:25.754 --> 0:30:29.434
<v Speaker 1>I do, so where our roles are switched really completely.

0:30:29.714 --> 0:30:32.674
<v Speaker 1>So what happens is sometimes kids need you at different

0:30:32.714 --> 0:30:36.194
<v Speaker 1>points in their lives differently, but I would argue for you.

0:30:36.714 --> 0:30:39.554
<v Speaker 1>And this is where ambition and success I think is

0:30:39.594 --> 0:30:43.554
<v Speaker 1>really important. Sally is now and has been many times,

0:30:43.554 --> 0:30:45.754
<v Speaker 1>but your book is a massive New York Times bestseller

0:30:45.834 --> 0:30:48.834
<v Speaker 1>right now. If you don't do those tours, that doesn't happen.

0:30:48.914 --> 0:30:51.674
<v Speaker 1>That's how you build your audience in America, right There's

0:30:51.674 --> 0:30:52.074
<v Speaker 1>no way.

0:30:52.194 --> 0:30:56.314
<v Speaker 4>And I'm a single mum and I am solely financially

0:30:56.354 --> 0:31:00.314
<v Speaker 4>responsible for my children. And that's another sort of different

0:31:00.354 --> 0:31:03.154
<v Speaker 4>position again in that I want to be there for

0:31:03.194 --> 0:31:06.234
<v Speaker 4>them and be the mum and you know, care for them,

0:31:06.234 --> 0:31:08.314
<v Speaker 4>and I do do all of those things, but equally

0:31:08.394 --> 0:31:10.834
<v Speaker 4>I am one hundred percent responsible for their financial being.

0:31:10.874 --> 0:31:13.434
<v Speaker 4>And if I don't go over there to New York

0:31:13.634 --> 0:31:17.234
<v Speaker 4>and to America and do the tours, they can't have

0:31:17.274 --> 0:31:19.834
<v Speaker 4>the life that they have. And so you're constantly measuring

0:31:19.914 --> 0:31:23.314
<v Speaker 4>up and you're bound to stuff it up. Sometimes sometimes

0:31:23.314 --> 0:31:26.034
<v Speaker 4>you go on the wrong troop. Sometimes you go, you

0:31:26.074 --> 0:31:28.514
<v Speaker 4>know you should have gone on the troop, and you

0:31:28.554 --> 0:31:31.074
<v Speaker 4>know we're only human. But I bet you made a

0:31:31.114 --> 0:31:32.354
<v Speaker 4>really special memory.

0:31:32.074 --> 0:31:34.074
<v Speaker 6>For your daughter by coming back home.

0:31:34.274 --> 0:31:36.914
<v Speaker 1>That's the importance, the less special one for my credit count.

0:31:50.674 --> 0:31:52.554
<v Speaker 3>Oh Brune. A bit of a gear change here, but

0:31:52.634 --> 0:31:54.354
<v Speaker 3>thank you. It's good to hear about your problems and

0:31:54.394 --> 0:31:56.834
<v Speaker 3>that they're resolved. Yeah, now it's time.

0:31:56.794 --> 0:31:59.074
<v Speaker 2>For other people's problems, right.

0:31:59.114 --> 0:32:00.834
<v Speaker 3>This is a part of the show where you send

0:32:00.914 --> 0:32:05.674
<v Speaker 3>us your dilemmas, your questions, your domestic emergencies, your moral

0:32:05.794 --> 0:32:10.874
<v Speaker 3>gray areas. Today's problems comes from Unleasha Janet real name

0:32:11.474 --> 0:32:14.274
<v Speaker 3>Brave Woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, ladies.

0:32:16.794 --> 0:32:20.034
<v Speaker 9>I work full time from home, which is great, or

0:32:20.034 --> 0:32:24.194
<v Speaker 9>at least it was great until my husband recently retired.

0:32:24.834 --> 0:32:29.754
<v Speaker 9>Now he's around all day every day. He lurks over

0:32:29.794 --> 0:32:32.874
<v Speaker 9>my shoulder. He wants to know when I'm having lunch.

0:32:33.434 --> 0:32:37.554
<v Speaker 9>He wants us to eat lunch together. He breathes loudly

0:32:37.994 --> 0:32:41.314
<v Speaker 9>near me. And I know this sounds awful, but I've

0:32:41.354 --> 0:32:46.034
<v Speaker 9>had it. I need space, I need quiet, I need

0:32:46.074 --> 0:32:46.554
<v Speaker 9>to work.

0:32:46.754 --> 0:32:48.034
<v Speaker 1>I need him to fuck off.

0:32:50.034 --> 0:32:53.074
<v Speaker 9>So my dilemma is do I tell him very lovingly

0:32:53.434 --> 0:32:55.834
<v Speaker 9>to get a hobby and get out of my hair

0:32:56.274 --> 0:32:59.194
<v Speaker 9>and get a life. Or do I lease my own

0:32:59.234 --> 0:33:00.234
<v Speaker 9>office space.

0:32:59.994 --> 0:33:01.474
<v Speaker 2>To escape hell?

0:33:02.794 --> 0:33:06.474
<v Speaker 5>Brilliant Janet, right, what do we think she needs to

0:33:06.514 --> 0:33:08.514
<v Speaker 5>drop him off? I think it's just gonna even country.

0:33:08.514 --> 0:33:11.834
<v Speaker 5>I think it's normal or something that white can drop

0:33:11.874 --> 0:33:15.234
<v Speaker 5>the husband off like a playdate with a group of

0:33:15.314 --> 0:33:17.594
<v Speaker 5>men and just stay there for a few that's what

0:33:17.594 --> 0:33:17.954
<v Speaker 5>she needs.

0:33:17.994 --> 0:33:18.954
<v Speaker 2>She sat up.

0:33:20.674 --> 0:33:25.194
<v Speaker 4>Himself there like, this is not Janet's problem, No, he

0:33:25.274 --> 0:33:30.754
<v Speaker 4>needs to I've been in this situation myself a few

0:33:30.914 --> 0:33:33.354
<v Speaker 4>years back, when I had little kids and my ex

0:33:33.434 --> 0:33:37.594
<v Speaker 4>husband started being at home and when he stopped working

0:33:37.634 --> 0:33:41.674
<v Speaker 4>and he was there, and I found it incredibly difficult,

0:33:42.274 --> 0:33:45.954
<v Speaker 4>and I, a little bit like Janet, started asking myself

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<v Speaker 4>what could I do? How could I break it to him?

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<v Speaker 4>I did end up renting another office space. But now

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<v Speaker 4>a few years have gone by and I've realized my error.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm going to share my wisdom with Janet. What

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<v Speaker 6>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>It is this?

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<v Speaker 6>This is not your problem.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to break anything to him. You just

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<v Speaker 4>need to let him know that you're working and that's

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<v Speaker 4>your boundary and he needs to go away. How many

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<v Speaker 4>times have we seen the man who's working from home,

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<v Speaker 4>the dad, the husband, and the wife is shushing the

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<v Speaker 4>kids getting them out of the house. Everyone understands that

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<v Speaker 4>he is working. Look and this could go either way,

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<v Speaker 4>right Like, this may be the case in your house, Bruna,

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<v Speaker 4>with Steve shushing the kids. But that is how it works.

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<v Speaker 4>The person who is working takes priority, and it's the

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<v Speaker 4>other person's responsibility to fuck off, and so she needs

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<v Speaker 4>to tell him that she's not responsible for coordinating how

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<v Speaker 4>that happens. I think that that just needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I have very strong thoughts on this because even though

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's not retired, we have a business together. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I said a very clear boundary because I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>with you, Janet, and I can I can hear his

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<v Speaker 1>loud breathing, but I will never be we do so

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<v Speaker 1>many zoom calls together. I will not be in the

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<v Speaker 1>same screen as him. I will not drive with him

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<v Speaker 1>and I basically, even when we're working at the office,

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<v Speaker 1>I try and be in my own space because I

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<v Speaker 1>need my own space to work away from him. But

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<v Speaker 1>also when your lives are so intertwined already and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to focus on what you're doing, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>totally fair with love for you to say to him,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy that you're happy and that you're retired,

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<v Speaker 1>but I need some quiet and I need my space

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<v Speaker 1>and create that. I kind of agree with Sally. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you should have to go rent an office

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<v Speaker 1>unless you want to, which I encourage you. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, I just think you do have to

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<v Speaker 1>set up a boundary because it's really hard when someone

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<v Speaker 1>is switched into that gear and you're working.

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<v Speaker 4>Away, because it's not just about the actual work either,

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's the work hours and then he can look

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<v Speaker 4>in and see that you're done and chime in, but

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<v Speaker 4>actually work is also about the blank space. It's about

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<v Speaker 4>the time between the meetings. It's about your lunch break.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about the time that you might scroll on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 4>or time make a phone call or have a nap

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever it is that you do during those hours

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<v Speaker 4>where you don't want to be judged either, because that's

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<v Speaker 4>all part of people's workday, is the chat at the photocopy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>she doesn't need Bill to be there.

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<v Speaker 5>Also feel like women we are much better with friends

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<v Speaker 5>circles than men, So most men don't have that many friends,

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<v Speaker 5>my husband included. And women are very good with community

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<v Speaker 5>and even small groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Of big of friends.

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<v Speaker 5>So when they retire, they just go and do like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, women's stuff, whereas men they don't, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>very rarely they get together, you know, not like women

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<v Speaker 5>how we do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think Janet's husband's going to be good

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<v Speaker 3>with boundaries. We really don't think he's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>very good with boundaries. A girlfriend of mine, her husband,

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<v Speaker 3>she works from home, and her husband changed jobs where

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<v Speaker 3>he was in Melbourne occasionally but mainly at home. And

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't just what you're having for lunch, it was like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's have sex. She was like, what, it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>working day anyway she's in, we work much happier. So

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<v Speaker 3>she left the house. I just working with coworking space.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think some men are very good with boundaries.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but they have to be good with boundaries, Like again,

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<v Speaker 4>we are taking that away from them. She should be

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<v Speaker 4>good too, and they rely on us to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>fill that void. They don't have friends, all of those things.

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<v Speaker 4>But if she shuts the door and she says, you

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<v Speaker 4>can't come in here, Bill, he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>go and find his adult day when is going to

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<v Speaker 4>have to make his hobbies. Desperation is a wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We tend to step in and help them where we shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>We should just hands off, go play in the garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>But also if we've just heard Janet's voice message, Jannet,

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<v Speaker 1>you sound amazing. Yeah, you sound super strong, you sound

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<v Speaker 1>super clear, and I feel confident that you're actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have that conversation because you're just

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<v Speaker 1>in writing and doing this voice message to us. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Just envisit you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill joining the gym, starts to have sex, to barbroom pilates.

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<v Speaker 4>He'll just find himself a little woodworking ship or something.

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<v Speaker 6>Now that sounds that sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Community, a man shared. There are loads of man.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe let's call him Bill. I think she should maybe

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<v Speaker 1>give Bill a membership to something, some kind of community

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<v Speaker 1>event or told you.

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<v Speaker 2>Get him to volunteers somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Get him to step up around the house so every

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<v Speaker 4>time you come in hand him the go make dinners,

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<v Speaker 4>he'll piss off quick quicksman. Give him jobs around the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Janet, I hope you gain something.

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<v Speaker 2>From that personal what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, that is all we have time for today.

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