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Speaker 1: podcast today. Welcome to the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 1: and matcha Milkbar is a series of conversations on finding

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Sammy and I'm going

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Speaker 2: I've actually been crying a bit today just through like

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Speaker 1: So my love, the ice Queen has broken down, she's melted. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome to cast A. Ya's this is your I want

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure and a privilege of retired honor and

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Speaker 1: probably had low expectations after the first last time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously round one was very different, but it

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Speaker 2: I love how some people kind of say they got

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Speaker 1: Yes, you did, absolutely understood the assignment this time around,

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Speaker 1: as usual, if you haven't watched right up until the episode,

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Speaker 1: Proud of it, and behind, yeah, you busted him, You

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Speaker 2: And I worked for it, Like can I like, maybe

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you commando. No, I just am not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wonder if like Mark can take

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Speaker 2: But we I feel like I really worked to know

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Speaker 1: We need a corporate structure, corporate geneology, ye heritage family tree,

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Speaker 2: Genery times I mucked it up out there, did you really?

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Speaker 2: And also Geordie and Jordawn are very similar, and they

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Speaker 1: We'll share a visual going deep into the black hole

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Speaker 1: of Yeah, he puts the idol in his board shorts,

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Speaker 3: I had no undies on because you only.

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Speaker 1: So I literally just had a seroon.

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Speaker 2: Like from Merge they were quite similar. And so you

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Speaker 2: So it just didn't make sense from a numbers You

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Speaker 1: They played the worst game in Soviety history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so therefore a big it's really hard to

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Speaker 2: everyone is a potential number. Everyone's a potential person to

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Speaker 2: never lying to say like yeah, maybe it's like and

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, you know, we've had conversations where

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Speaker 1: was it the plan from that night, from last night

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Speaker 2: So for the only time we decided to do this,

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Speaker 2: because Mark goes and we didn't bring any idol, I

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Speaker 2: It was like we're okay, like it makes more sense

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Speaker 2: So the next vote they would have gone for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I think, sorry about the sirens.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're coming for you, Sammy. Yeah, they're coming.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna lock you up. Something that has you know,

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Speaker 1: whereas I know how much strategy you have put into

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Speaker 1: this independent gameplay up to merge, but then afterwards, both

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Speaker 1: that misconception and how you've dealt with it, but also

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Speaker 1: what was really going on behind the scenes. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think undoubtedly I played a strong game independently to merge,

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Speaker 1: really stoked with how that kind of all played out.

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Speaker 1: Jesse and I were a tight unit, Cant and I

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of independent, strong relationships and we

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Speaker 1: Then merge happened, or should I also say, even when

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Speaker 1: were still people that had an issue with me. I

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Speaker 1: still can't want I can't want to Sam, And in

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking, how can you not warm to me?

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's such a great edit. It

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Speaker 2: just like, oh, you know, some people are just gonna

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Speaker 2: had literally had two hundred people discussing if I was

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh God, this is this is

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Speaker 3: You ain't seen nothing yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I knew that coming in. I was like, oh, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: So then when we got to merge, obviously Mark and

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Speaker 2: I had separate gameplays, different alliances and different visions on

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Speaker 2: of the two of us. Yeah, and both of us

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Speaker 2: and watching it back, he's like, oh wow, like I

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Speaker 2: I didn't even vote. I didn't ever vote till day

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was literally the.

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Speaker 2: Last person in the game to get a vote. Whoa, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I had been behind every single.

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Speaker 1: Vote, literally the last of all the competitors got to vote. Savvy. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that's really interesting watching you watching Mark watch it back,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Again, we got to watch both tribes. I

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Speaker 2: And also, like sometimes what you hear is either decoy

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Speaker 2: like could maybe that's the edit, but also maybe that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really know nothing. Oh my god. So I'm

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Speaker 1: how many days was it in total?

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Speaker 3: Thirty forty forty forty days?

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Speaker 1: Forty days? There's so much to talk about. But one

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Speaker 2: You were kind of trying to say, I'll get so

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Speaker 2: I'll go straight in. We compromised. You definitely see my compromise,

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Speaker 2: I think it was an interesting moment, and obviously I

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Speaker 2: can't be saved and he wanted Can't out. We both

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Speaker 2: were just at loggerheads with that, and we were both

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Speaker 2: And I've tried to describe this to people, as you know,

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Speaker 1: And conflict, So articulate, yeah, chaos and conflict.

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Speaker 2: And in those situations, Mark and I do typically defer

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Speaker 2: like how I like simplify this, but I think mave

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Speaker 2: is adaptability. Yes, Mark, on the flip side, he's gonna

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Speaker 2: degree of autocratic style communication hierarchy and like say it

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00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: and go and probably not huge amounts of discussion. And

437
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: he's probably going to be like, yes, there's a whole

438
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: strategy behind it, but I'm saying like, in the moment,

439
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: in the cross fire, you probably just got to go.

440
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: And I think we know that about each other. You know,

441
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: this does not mean that Mark and I Mark doesn't

442
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: compromise and yield in other circumstances of our life, like

443
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: you can vouch like we both do it in times

444
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: like he just had to do it on national TV.

445
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: So you see that dynamic play out. Me kind of

446
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: lean into what I probably am more inclined to do

447
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: in these moments, which is okay. I get that you

448
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: want to get rid of Carn. I can see them

449
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: merit in it. You've got more players going into merge.

450
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: This hurts me.

451
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: I'm not going to vote for Khan, but I'm not

452
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 2: going to go against you. Yes, because let's be real,

453
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm playing the game with Mark, not Khan. As much

454
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: as like I would like to take Karn home with me.

455
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: Hey, Khan, I.

456
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: Really would love to take Karn home with you. We're

457
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: actually going away on a two day Dalsford trip at

458
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 2: Dollywood with Carn and Amy and Nina from the season

459
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: right after this.

460
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Wednesday, Thursday Tomorrow, Tuesday, Wednesday, Oh yeah, So

461
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: we're celebrating Harry's birthday tomorrow, and so we really, you know,

462
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: I adore him in the game, I adore him even

463
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: more in real life. And it's one of my beautiful

464
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: personal civil linings to come out of this show is

465
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: that we literally now share best friends. I know we're

466
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: best friends, and your best friends are Khan and I

467
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: reckon I am too.

468
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, who would have thought that,

469
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: because going into the game, you have like Khan's name

470
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: got leaked before the game started, and like, I know

471
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: that you knew him, but I.

472
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: Also was like, I don't want a pre game.

473
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: I don't want to reach out to him, and I

474
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: actually don't know him, and I was scared of him,

475
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: like from what I didn't know of him and what

476
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 2: I did know of him, I was like, oh, I

477
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: think he's going to be like a massive villain. And

478
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: so it's so funny how I did think that, but

479
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: I was like just leaning to what you what he

480
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: gives you out there. And so there was times and

481
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: everyone's like he is the biggest player, and I'm like,

482
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: I'm sure he is, but he's so nice.

483
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: You guys have only met at the wedding and very briefly.

484
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: And then I got a message from Amy after she

485
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: got voted out, saying like I hadn't heard from any

486
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: of you in weeks and months and you know, and

487
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: then she was like, oh can what dresses should we send? Sam?

488
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, your friends would

489
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: say so much. It was like it was like world's

490
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: colliding and it's been so beautiful. And also big shout

491
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: out as we're talking about Dollywood to Megan Gail and

492
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: Sean Hampson, who's business that this is. And obviously Sean

493
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: was an alumni of Survivor who's also a good friend

494
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: of yours. Of them who would have thought like the

495
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: world of Survivor would have given me so many beautiful

496
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: friendships in my life, like connected to Survivor and then

497
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of the next layer down, But it does. And

498
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: the reason it does that is because this is an

499
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: immersive experience in an adverse environment. And you know, let's

500
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: let's get like a bit deeper for a second. Non

501
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: just Survivor related, like, but people love this experience because

502
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: when you are thrusted into environment, when you don't know

503
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: what the outcome is and it's really stressful, you know,

504
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: betiful things happen in terms of your personal growth and

505
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: also just your relationships with each other, because whilst you're

506
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: fighting each other, you still need each other for daily

507
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: survival and the game, but also like comfort survival to

508
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: feel secure and happy and loved, which are still like

509
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: fundamental need that we have as humans. My transition from

510
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: last season to this season is I went into this

511
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: game going I'm not coming here to feel like I

512
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: belong because in my first season I didn't feel like

513
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: I belonged.

514
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: It crashed me down and I got booted and it hurt.

515
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: So this time I was like, ohmor of toughness.

516
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: I don't need friends. I don't need like belonging.

517
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: And whilst that was true, I didn't need that, it

518
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: was really nice to come away with like genuine friendships

519
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 2: from the game.

520
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful. That was my next question for you

521
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: was how do you feel your approach this season differently

522
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: to last season? And I think one of the big

523
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: questions that came out was how is watching yourself back

524
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: on TV? Which I know was a really big challenge

525
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: for you last time, and this time you went into

526
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: it a lot more aware and prepared, but I can

527
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: imagine it's still been really challenging the past couple of

528
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: weeks have brought a lot of really just inappropriate scrutinized, yeah,

529
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: scrutiny patrolling like actual, uninvited and unwarranted trolling. And I

530
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: think there are some amazing things that have come out

531
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: of it for you, But a lot of people wanted

532
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: to firstly shower you with love for the way that

533
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: you've played the game, but secondly ask just how you are,

534
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: if you've been okay, and if you do have any regrets,

535
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: or how you sort of manage the dichotomy between what

536
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: people see but what you know is also your real

537
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: life and your real life value, because that's a really

538
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: hard thing with being on television.

539
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: So unequivocally, I'm proud of my game and I have

540
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: no regrets, and I love that I can walk away

541
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: from this game, even though I'm burted out now and

542
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: say that because there is many players, you know, I

543
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: don't know whether from this season but from past seasons,

544
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: who lead the game and go oh, I didn't play

545
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: hard enough. I didn't make the most of this opportunity.

546
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't willing to lean into what this

547
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: game lets you lean into, which is probably very differ

548
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: than your normal day to day life. And hey, villains

549
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: actually get celebrated normally in Survivor. I've had an interesting

550
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: journey with this kind of quotation villainous portrayal. I feel

551
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: like I was villainous, cheeky, like I was never yeah, yeah,

552
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, I was never malice. Still, I never spoke

553
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: poorly about anyone in the game, because I never felt

554
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: poorly about people in the game. But I was willing

555
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: to play cutting gameplay to further my intentions, and that

556
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: also of Marx, and so I really created a very

557
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: clear delineation between my personal relationships that were real and

558
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: everything I personally said to the players totally real then gameplay.

559
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: And if it wasn't a Blood versus Water season, it

560
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: definitely would have looked different. Like I wouldn't have done

561
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: that to Kahn, I wouldn't have done that to Jesse

562
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: because that there was loyalty, and so why would you

563
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: betray someone who was loyal to you, like go and

564
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: get rid of someone who has no allegiance to you.

565
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: But my only allegiance that truly truly mattered was that

566
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: of Marx, and coming in from season two where many

567
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: people and I don't agree with it, but I took

568
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: it on board thought that Mark got booted early before

569
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: his potential because of his relationship with me. One of

570
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: my biggest objectives coming around a second time was I

571
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: do not want to do anything that detriments Mark's game

572
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: like my husband's game, because it wasn't just important for me,

573
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: it was really important for him to have a crack. Yeah,

574
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: and there's so many things that I've done since Survivor

575
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: that Mark's just so freely given me, like the space

576
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: and love and liberty to just be who I am

577
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: and travel around the world and race and do all

578
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: these things. And I was like, I know Mark really

579
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: wants to come back and play Survivor, and so I

580
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: want him to have that opportunity.

581
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And one of the most beautiful things about your

582
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: relationship and that you and I and Nick and Mark

583
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: always talk about is that idea that you know, when

584
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: there's big personalities with big dreams that aren't or you

585
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: can't do everything together. You really can't and you don't

586
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: necessarily want to. It's not necessarily healthy to do every

587
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: big activity together. Is it does involve a lot of

588
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: push and pull. There is a lot of give and take,

589
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: and it's interesting that people found that jarring on the

590
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: game when in real life every couple is like that.

591
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: You're always making compromises one way or the other, and

592
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: that's how it works.

593
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll highlight two compromises Mark make that you

594
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: no one really thought about because it was more seamless.

595
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: And I think because of the role of gender and perception.

596
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: I fought back to easily compromising because I knew the

597
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: perception was Sam's just assuming Mark's game, which so many

598
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: people still say even though I fought against it. Yes, so,

599
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: but no one thinks that when Mark just easily compromises

600
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: with my suggestion, it's just like even Still then people like, oh,

601
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: that's Mark's decision, and I'm like, no, it actually wasn't.

602
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: So two decisions that I had was one to leave

603
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: the idols back at camp and then secondly to not

604
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: play them. So and then those are two things that

605
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: I kind of was like, I think this is the gameplay.

606
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: We kind of debated. I wanted to bury them by

607
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: the well. Mark decided in the end to move into

608
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: the shoes. And the funny thing is like, these are

609
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: really bold moves in the game, and you don't even

610
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: see us like get emotional about it. We literally are

611
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: willing to sacrifice either one of us, particularly because the

612
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: first time neither one of us had the immunity necklace.

613
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 2: And it was the most casual pedestrian conversation took. It

614
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: was It was just like it was like, you know,

615
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: you're going to get a coffee. Do you want a

616
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: strong flat wide or do you want a week one?

617
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Today? You know I'm going to get chippies. I'm gonna

618
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: chips or crinkle cut or you know.

619
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: And I think it just showed how much we were

620
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: both of us were willing to be the sacrificial lame

621
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: for each other because we both backed each other's games.

622
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: I still think given the animosity that there might have

623
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: been on the jury about my gameplay, probably, I mean,

624
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: only time it's going to tell. But I feel like

625
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: it was right that I probably went and not because

626
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't back myself. And if I got to the end,

627
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: who knows, because who knows how to be against? Who

628
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: knows what had happened in those last seven days, because

629
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: there's so much game to play to be you had,

630
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: But I felt like I could explain myself.

631
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: It might have been uphill bad. No, I'm so proud

632
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: of you because I do remember after your first season

633
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: that you did together, you're coming off and feeling not

634
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: one hundred percent happy with how much you'd put into

635
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: it or the way you'd put into it, and then

636
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: the way that was portrayed. There were just so many

637
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: elements out of your control that left you feeling not

638
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: as proud of the game you played, whereas seeing you

639
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: come off this time and being like everything I did

640
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: was measured, it was thought through, it had strategy behind it,

641
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: and you can walk away feeling really really proud no

642
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: matter what anyone else thinks about it.

643
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on top of it doesn't mean that all

644
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: those decisions were the best decisions, but like, you can

645
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: only make decisions with the information on the ground. And

646
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: what a viewer doesn't know is like there's a lot

647
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: more context behind every play that people do. You'd maybe

648
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: just seeing a fraction of it, or sometimes you're seeing

649
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: none of it, but you know, we're all like and

650
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: this is where you know you've got passive gameplay, you know,

651
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: more active gameplay. People who were kind of you know,

652
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: lurking behind bigger shields or whatever, you know that don't

653
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: be physically bigger that biggish years I actually think what

654
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: funny I think I being a four foot eleven point

655
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: five woman was a shield for a six foot three soldier.

656
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: Four foot eleven point five. For years you've been saying

657
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: four foot eleven point five. I love that so much.

658
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: I will not lose my point five.

659
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: Clearly, I'm a very.

660
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Honest person in my specificity of my heart, I am

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: honest people. Well, there has been an outpouring of love

662
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: as much as they have been a lot of trolls,

663
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: and I love what are balanced. Of course it goes through.

664
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Of course it hurts, and of course it's unwelcome and unwarranted.

665
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: But you've had such a balanced, graceful and witty response

666
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: to all of it. You've just coped with it so well.

667
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: And as I always say, you inspire me in so

668
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: many ways. And there's been a lot of really lovely

669
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: messages from c Collins, s Berkela, Sasha, Alexandra, Ashley Evans,

670
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Joe and l which I'll pass on to you so

671
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: that you can actually see them, but a little bit

672
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: more of the behind the scenes questions and all of

673
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: these people absolutely in your corner. Amy d Snoozen and

674
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: kat Can was jury as awkward as it looked, and

675
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Hamish White added, what an odd welcome for a goat

676
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: like you greatest of all time. I don't know if

677
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: they wanted to acknowledge that. I mean, I kind of

678
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: always get it a bit bashful when you say it,

679
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: but maybe it was more awkward than what you saw,

680
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: even more award, I mean, and that's yeah, it was

681
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: so awkward, and like I got there and obviously they

682
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: had gone in.

683
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: With a plan to ic me out a little bit

684
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: and just give me nothing. And the thing is, you're

685
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: so overwhelmed, sensory overwhelmed, like the veil of the game

686
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: has been pierced open. You're literally getting into a car.

687
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: You know, your torch is snuffed. It's so overwhelmed, even

688
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: though I, you know, kind of put myself in that

689
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: situation by not playing the idol.

690
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: You see yourself in a mirror for the first time,

691
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never we haven't talked about that yet. Well.

692
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: The funny thing is, like I think there was so

693
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: much in my Juryville episode that they often show you

694
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: looking at the mirror the doctor afterwards revealing your weight loss,

695
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: that they didn't even include that because there was so

696
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: much to.

697
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: Go into yeah, okay, dish it tell us.

698
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: So I started the game at like forty nine point

699
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: five kilos, so I put on a bit of size

700
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 2: to like be muscularly more robust, and I finished at

701
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: forty three point two.

702
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sammy, Yeah, actually you sent me a photo photo.

703
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: I'll put it up on socials at some point.

704
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: But it's I really you know, yes, physically worked myself,

705
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: but I mentally worked so hard that it translated to

706
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: like physical depletion.

707
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

708
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: A lot of people were like, your work crate was

709
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: so intense, and I'm like, yeah, I like to move around,

710
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: and that's why you see it, Toms, I've got that

711
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: natural you know way.

712
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: Let's spoke about this way.

713
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: My guys, it is taie chie TOI che.

714
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: It is real TOOI chi.

715
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: It is relaxing and it's got nothing to do with

716
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: paranoid or stress. And I did it from day one,

717
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: and every contestant will attest to that.

718
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: You know.

719
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: It was actually quite a common theme that even before

720
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: we'd go to tribal council, I'd be swaying and then

721
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: like Amy once said that she just found it quite therapeutic,

722
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: so she started to copy it. I reckon there's a

723
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: few Reddit like forums about you swaying. Yeah, this way

724
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: with the arm. Hey, guys, I's done it. I've always

725
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: done it, like.

726
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven onwards. I can a test.

727
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my thing, and it's not paranoia. I'm really

728
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: bad at sitting still. So if you've asked me to

729
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: kind of be in a stationary position, I've.

730
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: Never seen it. Yeah.

731
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: Everyone, if you ever see me in just any environment,

732
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: just start filming me if I'm swaying, and let share

733
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: it on social media. Yes, like embrace sway and also

734
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: those mums who will have babies and I had to

735
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: sway their kids asleep.

736
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Hopefully you see me.

737
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: But I also like, if you're still doing it, like

738
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: three years down the track, that's me.

739
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Seize the sway sees. We all face different forms of

740
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Speaker 1: natie in life, but research shows that loneliness is on

741
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: the rise in Australia, with two in five Australians reporting

742
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: feeling lonely in a typical week. We talk regularly on

743
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Speaker 1: this podcast about the importance of building a neighborhood around you,

744
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Speaker 1: but does that necessarily combat loneliness? Can you still feel

745
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,600
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746
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,120
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747
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748
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749
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750
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Speaker 1: on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your

756
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Speaker 1: podcast today. Okay, so you saw yourself in the mirror?

757
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: I saw us on the mineral. Yeah.

758
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: Do you love how it's like any direction people? I

759
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: saw myself in the mirror and no, I hadn't even

760
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: got a MILLI yet. Okay, I think I saw a producer,

761
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: and I saw the doctor, saw the doctor.

762
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: Ye saw the doctor. So the psych saw the doctor.

763
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: I think he gave me a lolly and I'm like, amazing,

764
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: took it, Lolly got a little sugar rush and then

765
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: jumped in the car the eyezuzu yeah, and went to

766
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: jury villa. And then I was like, got to call

767
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: my mom and dad, and I just remember calling them

768
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: and the first thing Mom said.

769
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: You said you'd be one week. I was like, I

770
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: thought so too.

771
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: And then I just remember telling them at my gameplay

772
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: and I was so so proud and that my dad

773
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: was just like, good on you, and it made me

774
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: realize that people important to know it's a game because

775
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: I haven't it to live it, and just proud of

776
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: me for like having a.

777
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Crack, you know, yeah yeah.

778
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: And then I remember the car was parked about to

779
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: go into jury villa, and then I started to like sweat.

780
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: I literally was having palpitations and going, oh my gosh.

781
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: I could see them.

782
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm about to see it, and I saw how they

783
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: felt towards me in the game and they were on

784
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the jury, so I knew it wasn't going to be great.

785
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: But then I remember the driver saying to me, you know,

786
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: breaking the fourth wall. I realized, oh, people can actually

787
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: speak to me who were like around me, And she.

788
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Goes, you're all right, love, you played a good game.

789
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: Just own it.

790
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: And literally I think someone told me later down the

791
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: track that she's like a super fan and so I

792
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: don't know what she knew or anything like that, and

793
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: maybe she just said it to be supportive and she

794
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: knew nothing, but it was like, okay, cool, like just

795
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: own your game, which has been kind of my mantra.

796
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Since it's aired. Just own it, don't defend it. Own it.

797
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: And I got in there. I did not speak to me.

798
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: I can laugh about it now, but at the time,

799
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: I was like, your mel Nash's seeing this food, You're

800
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: in this different environment. You disappointed, but you're proud. And

801
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I played this game with the majority of

802
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: these people, but I also put them there, and so

803
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: I got that and then I sat down.

804
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: No one even looked at me. It was just so

805
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: awkward and look.

806
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like Jesse's head was like I'm

807
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: going to say this, and it was harsh, and I

808
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: think they could have been a bit more graceful, but

809
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: I also get it, and particularly with Jesse. Yeah, far

810
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: less with everyone else, but definitely I can get it

811
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: with Jesse. And because he just didn't know the context,

812
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: like he didn't even know that Jordie had told everyone

813
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: about the idol, so like for him, it's like why

814
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: he might have heard it at tribals, but he probably

815
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: needed to hear it from me. Yes, finally, like Jordan

816
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: just started ripping into me and was like kind of

817
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: he was confused and again empathy.

818
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: He just got voted the day before.

819
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: He would have done all his exit interviews that day,

820
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you guys to go

821
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: straight to tribal counsel and he's just like on fire,

822
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: like he's like, as I think I want something game,

823
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: it's like a cat on hate.

824
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: And so it was full on, and I.

825
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: Remember saying to them, guys, I just I played the

826
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: game that I thought could get me to the win.

827
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, I was trying to win and I was

828
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: playing hard. But now I'm here like all of you

829
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: ask me any question, and I'm just happy to tell

830
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: you the truth because it's done now. Yeah, for some

831
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: of them, it definitely wasn't that night. I remember, so

832
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: I was meant to be sharing a room with someone

833
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: that night and they just were not happy with me still,

834
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: so they tried to actually left the room that I

835
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: was meant to share with them, and didn't share the

836
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: bedroom with me, not even I name names, and I

837
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: love that person. So there was it was intense, but

838
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: the first person that really pulled me aside was Calm

839
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: that night.

840
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And obviously he's.

841
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Basically had a postcodal address at Duri Villa because he'd

842
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: been there for so long.

843
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: A po box.

844
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: Outfits what the actual I.

845
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Mean, there's never been a more glorious person to be

846
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: the mayor of Duri Villa altely. He owned it with

847
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: such grace and style.

848
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: He is, he is fire.

849
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: And but he pulled me aside and we were sitting

850
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: around the corner and like the filming get kind of

851
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: ended by then they made me go back to that

852
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: room before. Can't pull me aside, And that was meant

853
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: to be that kind of unrelaxing and like, look at

854
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: this beautiful space and I'm literally shaking, going rocking back

855
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: and forth, and I'm like, I ate a let us

856
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: leave then, and we just haded to talk and I'm

857
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: just like, I'm so sorry.

858
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: But he didn't even need me to explain it. He

859
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: got it.

860
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: I think he just needed to see me. And he's like, yep, fine,

861
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: and I understand that you. He was the only one

862
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: that realized that I'd sacrifice my game, and so I'm like,

863
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: he's so savvy, that guy. I think the rest of

864
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: them are like, oh, she accidentally didn't play an idol.

865
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what a lot of the questions were,

866
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: like why didn't you play it? And I'm like, oh,

867
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: those are a really strategic reason, yeah, and like you

868
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: you have the proof of that based on the previous

869
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: episode where we left them at camp. Yeah. So it's

870
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: not just like I'm not just saying that now because

871
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: we're out, like, oh, that was intentional, Like it literally

872
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: you saw it if you if you if you watch

873
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: the show.

874
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: And the next day I remember doing basically lapse of

875
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: the jury lla because you can't dry. Villa and Jesse

876
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: joined me, and probably about five or so, Okay, we

877
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: walked and just talked wow, and we hash it out

878
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: like really. He didn't take long before Jesse goes, I

879
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 2: get it. I understand. I understand that I was playing

880
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: with Jordie. I didn't know what Jeordie was doing. You

881
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: were playing with Mark. It Also, he realized that it's

882
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: not like I got the order to begin with to

883
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: intentionally steal it from him. It became like this opportunistic move,

884
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: which I'm not gonna own it. It was still villainous, Like

885
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: it was villainous is all else. I took an idol.

886
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: I didn't play it for him. I didn't let him

887
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: go home with it.

888
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to like roll the dace and like see

889
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: if it could benefit our game. Yeah, And I don't know,

890
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: like it definitely put me under scrutiny for a really

891
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: long time in the game. If I hadn't have done that,

892
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: would I have been out of skate under thin eyes? Maybe?

893
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: But I bet you if I didn't do that, everyone

894
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: would have kept saying, She's just playing Mark's game. And

895
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: one thing you can say for sure is that once

896
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: I did that, that was my own gameplay.

897
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: That was my decision.

898
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: It was my decision to not tell anyone that we

899
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: had the idol. And you know, I can say that

900
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: was my gameplay that Mark was probably like why did.

901
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: You do this? Why did you do this to us?

902
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: Like thankful for him, He just like rolled with it.

903
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: And he's probably a lot better at like I'm not

904
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: saying like telling a lie, but just like going he

905
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: he was really good at playing game and just going,

906
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, she didn't she didn't have the idol.

907
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: Crazily, do you know that only one person ever asked

908
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: me directly do I have the idol? Really, no one

909
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: asked me so like it always was spoken about, and

910
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: he was definitely addressed at tribal counsel, but everyone put

911
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: across their opinion that I didn't have the idol.

912
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like yeah. And then obviously cook Jordie wants

913
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: is like, you know, Jesse put it in her bag

914
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen. So I was like, why would

915
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: someone put an idol in someone else's bag? And it

916
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: was like raising a question as opposed to saying it

917
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: like took to be the technical you're such a lawyer.

918
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm actually I did Sha Shay asked me out preparatory,

919
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: straight out did you take it? And I was like,

920
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: I knew she would never vote for me, so I

921
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna lie. Yeah, but it felt

922
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: weird to do that, and I was like, oh, my

923
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: eyes done it. I love it so much. And that's

924
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: a funny thing as well, is that often like people

925
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: who are looking at you on socials now they see

926
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: you with Jesse and it's it's hard for them to

927
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: understand that, like what is happening on television is not

928
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: what's happening right now in your life, Like this is

929
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: all a while ago now, and that must be so

930
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: that disconnect between time must be so strange. Oh, it's

931
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: so funny how people are so mad for Jesse, but

932
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: he's like, it's fine. I get it.

933
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just fine. We're fine.

934
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: It's like, if he's fine, maybe you should just be fine. Yeah.

935
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: I also find it so funny that, like, I literally

936
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: did a bold play in a game and I'm getting

937
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: death threats and the irony of that is not lost

938
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: on me. I'm just like, so you're happy to give

939
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: a death threat to someone who played a move in

940
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: a game.

941
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: Which was not a death threat in the game the movie.

942
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: You made it so much more vanilla than a death

943
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Like Jesse has not died, guys, He's voted out of

944
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: a game.

945
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: He is not dead, And so it's very fascinating, which

946
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: makes you go like this is here like this you

947
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: know perspective that you can have when you know yourself

948
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: and you're comfortable with what you did and like I

949
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: knew it was a game, Yes, it was, you know, villainous,

950
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: But I'm so fine with that. But the people who

951
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: are keyboard worries and who are ripping into me, I'm

952
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: not going to say like they're just Karens, because I

953
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: think that kind of like demonides the fact that they

954
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: have an opinion. If you don't like what someone's doing

955
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: in the game, maybe just ask yourself, like do I

956
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: need to rip into them as a person, Because everyone

957
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: playing Survivor is playing a game. Most of us are

958
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: making a pretty significant separation between most like we're all lying,

959
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: Like at different points, we're all lying. So who's saying

960
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: my lie is any more grave than the lie that

961
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: everyone else is making about voting people at at different dates?

962
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Like you can't like subjectively go that life feels deeper

963
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: like and then it doesn't affect me personally, But I'm

964
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: going to have a go at her she is as

965
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: a person.

966
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: And it's like the same for players in the game,

967
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: Like I think unless you're literally playing the most honest

968
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: game or but unless you are doing that, then you

969
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: really can't like critique people heavily when they're making game

970
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: plays because you're all doing the same thing. The move

971
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: that I made is less seen. So doesn't that make

972
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: me like a baller.

973
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: A total a total baller.

974
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And but other people have done variations of that,

975
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they copped You know, David is one

976
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: of those people, the Golden God All Stars second time player.

977
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: He didn't move similar to that to Phoebe, and he

978
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: was a lot more sassy villainous in how he spoke

979
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: about her. And I think he copped some heat for

980
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: the move, but he was celebrated. I mean, he.

981
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Literally was the Golden God. He became a lovable villain,

982
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: and no one ever critiqued him. So like, yes, he

983
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: got critique on the gameplay, but they never critiqued him

984
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: on being a parent. What he looks like, it's gorgeous,

985
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: but also on his like his morals in a broader

986
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: context of everyday life. And so you know, I really

987
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: don't care if you don't like my game plan survivor.

988
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, fortunately for me, you're not in the jury,

989
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: so like your opinion you don't bear, your opinion doesn't

990
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: really matter. You're talking about an edited TV show. Talking

991
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: about me is like how I am as a mother

992
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: is just absolute bullshit, And I will call that out

993
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: and I'm so lucky that I work for myself and

994
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: I work with incredibly strong women like yourself in you know,

995
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: and we really raise each other up and support each other.

996
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: So I sometimes forget gender inequality, and this really reminded me,

997
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, this must definitely exist heavily in professional

998
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: service environments all the time, and I'm seeing it really

999
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: blatantly and on social media. But now I feel like

1000
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: I have a little bit more empathy and understanding and

1001
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: perspective on what many many women are confronted with on

1002
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: a daily basis. And so whats thee silver linings? Maybe

1003
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: I can actually start to talk about these topics a

1004
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: little bit and maybe encourage other women who play games

1005
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 2: like Survivor don't be afraid of of coppying this heat.

1006
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: You may copy it, but the more we see women

1007
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: play strategically and strong, the more comfortable you know, general

1008
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: Australian casual public audience will feel watching it. We're not

1009
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: comfortable because we haven't seen it enough, and so as

1010
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: opposed to it, you know, like some people might go, oh,

1011
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: I better not play like you because I'll be an

1012
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: outcast for it. No, like it's now that I've fallen

1013
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: of course people befallen people are like more.

1014
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Positive to me, isn't it toppy syndrome?

1015
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: So many layers of Australian culture we have a long

1016
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: way to go in terms of how we celebrate seeing

1017
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: women who are intelligent, articulate, presenting opinions and strategic gameplay

1018
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: and leaning into what is totally allowed within the rules

1019
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: of the game. And I've had so many American past

1020
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: players and even American audiences going if you were playing

1021
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: on an American season of Survivor, you'd be celebrated as

1022
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: the fan favorite.

1023
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.

1024
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: We're not there yet, and I'm not going to be like, oh,

1025
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: you suck Australian audience, because you certainly don't. But we

1026
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: have progression, and it takes time. And I think are

1027
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: some American female villainous players they copped heat to start

1028
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: with two and then there was a season like in

1029
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: America called Hero's Versus Villains where they started to really

1030
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: celebrate those female villains on that tripe.

1031
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: It just takes time. I think that is. You know,

1032
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: over the past couple of weeks, we've talked about it

1033
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: a lot in our general lives, but also more acutely

1034
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: in the past few weeks, is that even though it is,

1035
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, overarching response to everything is it's a game,

1036
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: it's a television show, and it's a very strange, unique

1037
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: combination of circumstances, but it is symptomatic of what happens

1038
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: at a broader level for a lot of women and

1039
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people in certain areas of society. And

1040
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: I think the way you have called out some pretty

1041
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: abhorrent behavior, particularly from other women, but particularly in areas

1042
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: that don't relate to anything to do with your actual game,

1043
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: it's the same as any kind of trolling or hating

1044
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: in life. It's made me reflect a lot on eternal

1045
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: people pleasing, the real difficulty that women face with likability

1046
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: versus boldness, Like we're told be confident, be more aggressive,

1047
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, emulate masculine behaviors to get ahead, but then

1048
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: people won't like you. You know. It's a really hard

1049
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: and we both came from corporate careers where that was

1050
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: particularly heightened, and it's a really hard landscape. It's actually

1051
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: brought up a lot of issues. I haven't thought about

1052
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: it in a really long time.

1053
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and a lot of this happened, like

1054
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: a lot of the enraged commentary happened on International Women's Day,

1055
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: A stop it and I.

1056
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, I can't believe this. And there was

1057
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: this part of me initiative that was like, oh, why

1058
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: didn't they choose to celebrate me in the edit? And

1059
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: now I'm moving away from that.

1060
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: And yes, at times I felt that the edit has

1061
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: leaned into easy narrative of you know, how we do

1062
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: feel about women. But no, like it's symptomatic of how

1063
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: people feel because, as I said, I backtrack, I was

1064
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: shown ly towards the beginning and people still had an

1065
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: issue with it. One other area of like frustration is

1066
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: this idea of like crazy woman and I have.

1067
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: To talk about it. The paranoia. Paranoia, it's so important.

1068
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: I love my dog. Sammy has a new dog. Her

1069
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: name is Winny. She's just eating your plants. No no, no,

1070
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: no no, don't do that. But be a strong empowered woman,

1071
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: be strong empowered and do what you want.

1072
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: But don't do that.

1073
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: Don't do that because I'll vote you out. No, sweet.

1074
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: Everyone who plays Survivor has a right to fight for

1075
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: their life in the game, whether you're at the bottom

1076
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: of like what considers to be like the social hierarchy,

1077
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: the top, the middle, whatever it is you do, you

1078
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: and play the way that you want to. And I

1079
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: really feel like people unintentionally see a woman fighting for

1080
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: her life in the game and having conversations with other people,

1081
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: particularly if you know they're not in your alliance, and

1082
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: people going, she's paranoid, she's talking to everybody. Well, go

1083
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: sue me for talking to everyone, because you know what,

1084
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: you're talking to everyone too. In fact, you talking about

1085
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: being paranoid is talking to people about me about me,

1086
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: And I'm just sometimes like, but I've literally just watched

1087
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: you for this entire episode, and I'm not like just

1088
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: like flucking this on Geordie, like I'm flucking it on

1089
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: all of us. I fluck it on myself because maybe

1090
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: I've done this before too. But literally, I'm seeing him

1091
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: fight for his life in the game many respects self

1092
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: implode and get voted out of the game. But people

1093
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: are like, oh god on him, the Aussie butler. Yeah,

1094
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: And there I was fighting for my life in the game,

1095
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 2: strategically creating relationships, not playing an idol and not getting

1096
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: voted out and getting crucified for being a crazy, unhinged woman.

1097
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: And I'm just like no, Like, yes, I know I'm

1098
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: a little of an anxious person and I'm comfortable with that.

1099
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: I can't hide emotions on my face, but doesn't mean

1100
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 2: that I am not holding my own because I show

1101
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: a bit of emotion.

1102
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's crazy when you actually think about, like

1103
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: before anyone actually sits down to write comments about, you know,

1104
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: a woman being paranoid on a show like Survivor, sit

1105
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: down and think about the actual ingredients of this game,

1106
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: Like who wouldn't be concerned? Not paranoid, but just concerned

1107
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: because alliances changing all the time. The whole entire point

1108
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: is like fighting towards it. They can only be one survivor.

1109
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: Oh whinny, she greeted me. He's like, only why we're

1110
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: not But you know what I mean, Like, the whole

1111
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: point of the game is to trick other people so

1112
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: you can get to the end. That is the premise,

1113
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: the whole The only emotion most people could have in

1114
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: that scenario is concern. Of course, you're going to be

1115
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: worried about who's voting me out, who's together, Like that's

1116
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: what is in your brain.

1117
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely a your brain. And you know people

1118
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: were talking about me it took for It took two

1119
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: tribal counsels before Jordie revealed that I had the second idol,

1120
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: but he'd already told everyone within the first twelve hours

1121
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: after I had that idol. So imagine thinking you're in

1122
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: an alliance of people, your gut tells you that Jordie's

1123
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: already told them, but no one's confronting you about it.

1124
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, maybe I'm in trouble, yeah, which

1125
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: is what you're supposed to think.

1126
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: So because of that, I'm fighting myself. I'm having more

1127
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: conversations than I normally would, and I'm trying to raise

1128
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: suspicion and all that kind of stuff. And it's easy,

1129
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Like I get it, like Geordie's trying to lean into

1130
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: social archetypes and feelings towards certain characteristics and perhaps genders,

1131
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: even unintentionally.

1132
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: He's doing it because he's trying to fight his life

1133
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: in the game. But I'm just like, let's not fall

1134
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: for it in terms of society's viewpoint on it, Like,

1135
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: let's be a little bit better, because I'd love to

1136
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: see a guy be described as paranaut and crazy, and

1137
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: I've if a guy was referred to that way. I

1138
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: actually would be totally fine with me being called that, yeah,

1139
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: because it'd be an even it'd be an even. The

1140
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: but you don't on this season. I haven't once heard

1141
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: a male been referred to as that. And I think

1142
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: the way that you have story winning, Winny, the way

1143
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: that you have responded to everything that has come out

1144
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: since that level of intensity, since being called out as paranoid,

1145
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: is you making change. I think we are inching closer

1146
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: and closer because there are strong women like yourself who

1147
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: will not just take that lying down and who will

1148
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: explain what happened behind the scenes, which you don't have

1149
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: to do. You could choose to do the very private

1150
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: thing and just not comment at all and let people

1151
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: you know.

1152
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: But I like that.

1153
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: I love how you always stand up for the things

1154
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: you stand up for hard. You don't do it soft.

1155
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: You know, you don't do selt launches of things. You're

1156
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: very much like this is what I stand for. But

1157
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: you'll be the person who makes change, which is always

1158
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: the way you've done things. So I'm so proud of you.

1159
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: You're right. I could just be like, oh, I know

1160
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: who I am and the people in my life love me,

1161
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: and I don't need to defend myself.

1162
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: Actually not defending myself. I'm talking about societal kind of

1163
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: ingrain stereotypes that I think are damaging and actually for me,

1164
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: I get to see it on quite as unfortunately, and

1165
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: unfortunately I receive such a mass commentary about it that

1166
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: I can't, like, I can't in all consciousness just go

1167
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: that's fine, just call me a crazy unhenge woman.

1168
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm totally fine with that. When I'm like, I

1169
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: didn't play the idol and I didn't get voted out.

1170
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm not that paranoid. Yeah.

1171
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: I feel it's important because I know there would be

1172
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: a lot of women who have experienced that when they've

1173
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: showed emotion or they tried to explain themselves and someone

1174
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: shuts them down by just going, oh, don't be irrational,

1175
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: don't be crazy, don't be paranoid.

1176
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's something where again coming back to

1177
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: the idea that it is a game. Yes, it is

1178
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: a game, it is a television show, but it does

1179
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of themes pulled out that are

1180
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: things you already represent in life. You already represent being

1181
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: a strong woman and navigating that likability versus aggression kind

1182
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: of you know, it's something that we've always spoken about anyway,

1183
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: So I love that it's become very acute, and I'm

1184
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: sure has been a difficult thing to navigate, But the

1185
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: way you're dealing with it is just a continuation of

1186
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: everything you've always advocated for. So very very proud of you. Yeah,

1187
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: And I think, like, let's just park that to the side,

1188
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: because the deeper thing is, like, yes, we're talking about

1189
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: gender issues. But I don't know if I said this earlier,

1190
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: but I still don't feel like I was going there.

1191
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to play a strong woman, Like no, I

1192
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: was there to play a player, yeah, you know, irrespective

1193
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: of gender.

1194
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: And like I love Survivor. With all the kind of

1195
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: heat that I've still copped, I always like copped the heat,

1196
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: no heat that with all of the heat that I've copped,

1197
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: I still love this game. And I actually love it

1198
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 2: even more that now I get to talk about even

1199
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: important issues. Who would have thought through a game show

1200
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: that's really not necessarily about these issues. It gets us

1201
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: to reflect on society, and I see that happening in

1202
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 2: American Survivor, And isn't it great that we also get

1203
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: to have like real discord and conversation, and it doesn't

1204
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: have to be with animosity or venom. The entire cast

1205
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: has an appreciation for each other even though we live

1206
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: this experience, So maybe we can bring that to the

1207
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: broader society.

1208
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we've said that on a couple of Castia's

1209
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: episodes that it's this unique life experience where you get

1210
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: thrown into the day. You never get thrown into a

1211
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: group with a bunch of strangers that have nothing in

1212
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: common necessarily ever, and then get to see how you cope.

1213
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: But it's like this really heightened version of humanity that

1214
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: lets you explore kind of you know, people and relationships

1215
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: and loyalty and all these themes that that's why people

1216
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: call it the greater show on Earth. And now you're

1217
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: of two times, I'm like still in awe of you.

1218
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: But to wrap it up, I feel like I can

1219
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: talk to you for hours about this or hours about

1220
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: anything have not many years. It's just like global themes.

1221
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: But just a couple of Beinzein's questions to wrap up

1222
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: that are just you know, the funny things that people

1223
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: don't know. So Lis eighty eight wanted to know, how

1224
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: did you not get Harry armpits. These are the bigger questions.

1225
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: That's so good, it's hilarious. Jewel in the City, What

1226
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: about body odor? How did you and Pebble's twenty nine?

1227
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: Does Jonathan really count the votes? Okay, yeah, guess what

1228
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: hairy unfits? So years ago I did laser, So funny

1229
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: talking about this. Years ago I did gender inequality Laser,

1230
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Women's Issues.

1231
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: No, I love it.

1232
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: This is real. Like, so.

1233
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 2: Years ago I did laser, and then when I knew

1234
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: I was going back, I was like, I should really

1235
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: do a touch up because it's you know, I haven't.

1236
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: I've been locked down.

1237
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm married now, I haven't worried about this for a

1238
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: while hot and then but we're.

1239
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: In lockdown, so I could not go to any laser place.

1240
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: So I did go in, and I remember about like

1241
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen days in, like it was getting quite a

1242
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: bit and Chrissy Ones said to me, She's like.

1243
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: Oh girlfriend, Like, oh my god, I love her.

1244
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: And so I literally deception.

1245
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: I started to just pull. I literally just pulled because

1246
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: it was long enough. So I, yes's manual extraction.

1247
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: You've got time, You've got time to groom. See the guys,

1248
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: like just like literally you know, using toothpicks and like

1249
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: playing themselves and like Shay just was a fan of

1250
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: euclip just leaves and I've never seen someone scrub their

1251
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: body so hard.

1252
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: But like people just you know, you've got to just

1253
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: get resourceful, just get resourceful out there. So that's the

1254
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: one about the upits. Some people have laser, other people don't,

1255
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: and you just deal with it. So full spectrum toilet,

1256
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: full spectrum of hair, then toilets, bodyodor, bodiodor or word

1257
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: a bodyodor. First you'd think everyone would really smell, but

1258
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: your diet is so clean, it's like rice and beans

1259
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: that you stop smelling people. And I think you really

1260
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: stop emitting smell and you just smell like smoke. In fact,

1261
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: I really wish I could package Isn't there a place

1262
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: that you can get your scent from clothes or like

1263
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: you can package up a scent? I think so yeah?

1264
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Or you can get it, yeah, you can get it

1265
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: made as well by describing it. There's like scent labs.

1266
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: Can I please ask a survey question if I really

1267
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: love the smell of my clothes, it doesn't smell like

1268
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: bo just reminds me back to the camp life. How

1269
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: would people feel if I managed to bottle up the

1270
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: scent of you know, survivor, the scent of survivor. Oh

1271
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: my gosh, do you know what? When we were out there,

1272
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: we're like, well did you get booted? You always have

1273
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: these jokes of like, how can I think of a

1274
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: business idea that equates to five hundred thousand dollars?

1275
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: How can I make up for not winning the fire?

1276
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: And I did it all the time.

1277
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: We'd sit in the bus going to tribal council going, okay,

1278
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: idea strategy, how can.

1279
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: We make up? This is also like a small snapshot

1280
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: of our hot relationship with us just talking smack and

1281
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: then randomly going business idea. It's so funny. So I think,

1282
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: let me know if you like that idea, because I

1283
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: love it. I probably would do it anyway because I

1284
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: just love this. I put on my clothes for the

1285
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 1: premiere of the show and I was like, I feel

1286
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: like home.

1287
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1288
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, that's not the home that I want

1289
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: to go to. It's a nice smelling home, but it's

1290
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,479
Speaker 1: home so bo not really a thing toilet, but yeah,

1291
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: it is a thing.

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Speaker 2: Because you're eating, you're changing your diet, you're changing your environment,

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Speaker 2: you've got increased stress. Constipation is a genuine thing out there.

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01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: I think some people didn't go and do a proper

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Speaker 2: pood for like seven days.

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Speaker 1: Together.

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Speaker 3: So we've already we've had practice.

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Speaker 1: I've done the like you either like really need to

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Speaker 1: go or you don't go, but it's more like you

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: do get constipation. These are the things like you're actually

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: living in these environments and your body's going through like

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01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: quite a radical change. You do cleanse, it's quite amazing.

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: Like your skin's so clear at the end, So I

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: felt like my eyes were so white. But that said

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01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: like I was losing my hair so bad, like clumps

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: was coming out from like lack of nutrients. Yeah, okay,

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: and like yeah, And so since I've come off the show,

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Speaker 1: it's all been about like restoration, getting I've gone pretty

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: hard back to work, but because I love what I

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Speaker 1: do and I was away from it for a bit,

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Speaker 1: But I haven't been hitting like the intensity of my

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: training anywhere like I normally do because I've needed to

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Speaker 1: rebuild my body back again. And you've got a a

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Speaker 1: pendulum swing like any goal that you ever do, when

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: you immerse yourself single minded focus and you go all

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: at it. You have to let the pendulum swing. And

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Speaker 1: I've just really started to get back into training. We

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: were slowly learning how to let the pendulum.

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Speaker 3: Find the other one.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like every and again when I see your

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: schedule of travel, I'm like, I know you interventioned all

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Speaker 1: the time. Come on, second last question, do does Jonathan

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Speaker 1: really count the votes people's twenty nine? Yeah, totally, he

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Speaker 1: counts the votes you.

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Speaker 2: No, before he sees oh, he does take it away,

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Speaker 2: so like we do the boats, you know, just to

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: add the suspense of terror.

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Speaker 1: Should you play ID or not? You guys are all

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Speaker 1: just sitting there. Well, yeah, we're in silence.

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Speaker 2: We can't talk, we can't look at each other because

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01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: it's you know, if it's this very very this game

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Speaker 2: is real, like we are film twenty four to seven,

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: and if for some small reason they can't film us,

1334
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Speaker 2: the game doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: So like we have to.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like just it's like pause, pause, like you

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Speaker 2: pause your moment, and I always use that time to

1338
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: just chill out because if we're not being filmed, that

1339
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: means the game is not on.

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Speaker 1: So just relax for a moment and just like very

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Speaker 1: last question, my love is there anything else that you

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Speaker 1: want to add?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I think people like we've heard enough. No,

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01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm proud that and it stoked the market.

1345
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: I got to go and play this game again together.

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01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: And now I get to be a viewer because whilst

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: I was on the jury, I didn't get to I

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Speaker 2: wasn't there for the final seven days of the game,

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Speaker 2: which is what's left. And these guys are in for

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Speaker 2: the battle of their lives because they're pretty much going

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: to be going to tribal council every single day. I

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01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: can't imagine the fatigue that these players are.

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Speaker 1: Going to experience.

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Speaker 2: Like I lived a different kind of game in Jury Villa,

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Speaker 2: but I got to eat food, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: cognitively get back with and you realize how much your

1357
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: cognitive reasoning, reasoning starts to fade when you're not eating.

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Speaker 2: And so when people are out there going why aren't

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Speaker 2: they getting this complicated thing down? Pat they have not eated, Like,

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Speaker 2: give these guys some grace because the last seven days

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Speaker 2: they're all playing to stay in the game.

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Speaker 1: Whether you respect their gameplay or not, they are all players.

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Speaker 1: And I now sitting on the jury and proud of

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Speaker 1: all of them, and do you have any words for

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Speaker 1: Mark just well wishes for the next I forgot that

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Speaker 1: you haven't watched the last seven days yet. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's so crazy.

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Speaker 2: All I can say is, Bubby, don't play with the revenge.

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Speaker 2: Think of the long game in mind. You know there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that voted me last night, but

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Speaker 2: don't be too fixated on that because I think that's

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Speaker 2: it's too narrow, too narrow in your thinking.

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Speaker 3: Take it home market.

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Speaker 1: Well. Thank you so much, Sammy. I am infinitely proud

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Speaker 1: of you and I can't wait for you know what

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Speaker 1: comes next.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you