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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma

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Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie. I just want to

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Speaker 1: let you know before we start today that on this

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Speaker 1: IUOK Day, we're going to be talking about suicide and

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Speaker 1: substance abuse. If this is a tough topic for you,

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Speaker 1: please take care when listening. It's our UOK day today,

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Speaker 1: the day we turn to those around us, friends, family,

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Speaker 1: colleagues and ask that very question. Now, we know that

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Speaker 1: many of those people will say fine, even when they're not.

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Speaker 1: But every now and then one of those people will

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Speaker 1: also say no, I'm not So what happens?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: Do you rush them off to a psychologist? It can

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Speaker 1: take months to get an appointment. Should you take them

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Speaker 1: physical injury dimsy lower priority. Today we're doing a virtual

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Speaker 1: mental health first aid course, and we'll hear from someone

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Speaker 1: who was at the very edge when one phone call

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Speaker 1: asking if she was okay brought her back. But first,

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Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quickie Newsroom, Thursday September twelve.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Valley bus crash driver Brett Button has been sentenced

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Speaker 1: twenty three accident that saw the bus he was driving roll,

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Speaker 1: killing ten people and injuring many others. On the night,

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Speaker 1: fifty nine year old Button was driving a bus carrying

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Speaker 1: thirty five wedding guests from the Wandon Valley Estate winery

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Speaker 1: town of Singleton. It was a foggy night in the valley,

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Speaker 1: but the wedding party guests had taken precautions on driving

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Speaker 1: At approximately eleven thirty pm, the bus overturned while negotiating

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Speaker 1: a roundabout near the town of Greta. The crash resulted

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Speaker 1: Caine Simons, the youngest victim at just twenty one, Zach Bray,

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Speaker 1: Angus Craig, Darcy Bullman, Tory Cowburn and Rebecca Mullen. It

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Speaker 1: Many of the passengers were members of the Singleton Roosters

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Speaker 1: Ossie RULs football club. The newlyweds Mitchell Gaffney and Madeline

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Speaker 1: Edsel were a part of the club too. Button, whose

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Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to eighty nine charges, including ten counts of

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Speaker 1: the court heard gut wrenching victim impact statements from survivors

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Speaker 1: Steve Simon's father of twenty one year old Caine, who

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Speaker 1: He explained how Cain had already been through a remarkable

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Speaker 3: To lose him now after having been given that second chance,

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Speaker 1: Kay Welsh, mother of victim Tory Cawburn, described the moment

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Speaker 1: Graham McBride described how he woke up five days after

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Speaker 3: My family was my proudest achievement and my girl's the

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Speaker 1: Helen Arthur, sister of Nadine McBride, spoke of her struggle

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Speaker 4: The loss of my beautiful sister and niece has seriously

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Speaker 1: Survivor Drew L. Massali confronted Button directly in court, challenging

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Speaker 1: Button issued another apology, saying there wasn't a day that

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Speaker 1: the thirty two year sentence with a twenty four year

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Speaker 1: non parole period. In other news, the practice of doxing,

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Speaker 1: Sean was just twenty, she seemed to have the perfect life.

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Speaker 6: On the inside, I was just falling apart.

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Speaker 6: It was like I lived under this black cloud. I

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Speaker 7: How sad I was took up.

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Speaker 2: Every moment of every single day for me, and it

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Speaker 1: She says that the darkness of depression is that it

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Speaker 2: The helplessness that comes from having depression, that just sadness

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Speaker 2: Almost that it was a bit selfish of me to

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Speaker 7: So bad that I haven't.

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Speaker 7: It was all I could think of. All I could

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Speaker 2: Just want this pain to stop. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: It was a quiet drive home, and when we got

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Speaker 2: And he just said, I would like you to stay

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Speaker 7: And I didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 6: But I never, up until this day, have told him

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Speaker 2: So he will hear this and know the story and

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Speaker 1: So how can you make sure that you are Shan's

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jackie Barnfield is the executive Director of International Programs,

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Speaker 1: Quality and Research at Mental Health First Dad Australia. Jackie,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so many of us know about physical first aid,

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Speaker 1: first Aid. But there's an action plan called ALGAE that

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Speaker 1: we can put in place. Can you take us through

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Speaker 5: Sure thing. I think it's really important to know, though,

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Speaker 5: So ALGAE is really an action plan for mental health

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Speaker 5: first aid and it's really about a very simple approach

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Speaker 5: So is the issue that's going on for them right now,

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Speaker 1: So moving on to l this is where we listen.

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Speaker 5: Right absolutely, and listening obviously is more than just listening.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's really important at this stage that the

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Speaker 5: We don't know and we can't interpret what's really going

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Speaker 5: So giving support again, it flows on pretty much from

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Speaker 5: Are you safe right now? What's going on? Do you

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Speaker 1: There are two eas that end off this Y acronym.

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Speaker 1: The first is to encourage professional help, which I think

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Speaker 5: First, put a call for anyone if it's available. GPS.

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Speaker 1: Now, the final e is when you've kind of touched

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Speaker 5: Absolutely and looking after yourself. It goes both ways. This

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Speaker 5: There's a whole range of stuff. Whatever works for you

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Speaker 1: Sean says she wants people to know that the person

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Speaker 2: Asking someone are you okay might be a bit daunting

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Speaker 2: But I just think there's absolutely no harm in just

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Speaker 1: Just finally, you mentioned that you haven't had this conversation

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Speaker 2: It has allowed me to follow my passion to help others.

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Speaker 1: Thanks spending some time with us today. If you aren't okay,

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