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Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm lower Brodnek

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Speaker 1: and I'm Mvenam and today we have one of those

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Speaker 1: episodes that you're gonna want to save, bookmark, send to

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Speaker 1: because it is about a very important moment that unfortunately

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Speaker 1: most of us go through many, many many times in

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Speaker 1: our lives.

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Speaker 2: First dates, first dates? What do you do on a

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Speaker 2: first day? What do your usual go to?

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Speaker 1: First date? Because I live alone and I'm also responsible

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, so the mental load of

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Speaker 1: just surviving is a lot for me, and I make

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Speaker 1: all the decisions for myself and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: all the time. So I actually not to be like

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Speaker 1: an old fashioned damselon distressed. If I like outed myself,

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Speaker 1: I'm a secret tide wife. It's just no one's married me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, just want to be home. I actually

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Speaker 1: love when the guy plans the day and just but

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Speaker 1: also nothing too crazy. I think sometimes dinner is too

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Speaker 1: much to commit to. I love sometimes just going for

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Speaker 1: like a walk somewhere like around the harbor, like near water,

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Speaker 1: then just going and having a drink because then it's

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Speaker 1: really casual. But I actually do love seeing a movie

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Speaker 1: on a first date first and then because then you

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Speaker 1: safe idea is that you have the movie to talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it takes away so much of the awkwardness what

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Speaker 2: It's also good because I feel like this only happens

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go on a first date, I think

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Speaker 2: you automatically take on the role as the interviewer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you ask them all of these questions. And also

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Speaker 1: because of like our lives, we get to a lot

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Speaker 1: maybe it's I'm looking for what do you do on

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Speaker 2: My first dates are very similar. I love getting a

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Speaker 1: Ye See, they say that education in this country has

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Speaker 1: So anyway, the point of this episode is you're just like, wait,

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Speaker 1: pods but we could be. We could be. So many

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Speaker 1: we'll have like an hour chat about dating and so

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Speaker 1: I'm like, God, that would have been the world's best

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, and recently you had a little bit

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Speaker 1: other men and women and people out in the world

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Speaker 2: Correct mine, I guess would count as a failed first date,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you were safe enough in my world. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I was like, do you want to just come

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Speaker 1: Were you worried that he thought you were gonna watch

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Speaker 1: I was so tired. I was kind of okay with

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Speaker 2: But he was really nice about it. He was like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this new one with James Franco and

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Speaker 2: Alison Brae has just come out and we just talked

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Speaker 1: They were they're so cute scene in love You're probably thinking, oh.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be like a comedy meat movie,

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Speaker 1: were on this big group holiday New Orleans and they

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Speaker 1: like they're they're like you know the romance.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're just so good together. And even when they're

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Speaker 1: Been my first red flag that this shouldn't be the movie.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't watched it film here in Australia, that

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, that actually makes me way more

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Speaker 2: a horror movie, which you might think is a great

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Speaker 2: like touch the person next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're watching a horror movie on a first date, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right, there are good ones. They have to be

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Speaker 1: not gruesome horror, have to be like slash a team, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like a gothic horror, because you're like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Do I want him to think the screen movies are

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Speaker 2: good for first dates until you realize that I don't

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Speaker 2: want to spoil the greatest plot twist in cinematic history.

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Speaker 1: Until you realize that it's your boyfriend killing everyone. That's

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Speaker 1: but also he's hot doing it, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: watch on your first Why that's a sexy movie? No,

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Speaker 1: that made me so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: I watched it with you, so it was so weird,

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Speaker 2: not not as uncomfortable as this movie together.

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Speaker 1: It is tell the plot for people who aren't a cross.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the plot of this story is it's a

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Speaker 2: couple m Alison Brie Dave Franco, don't have the actual name.

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Speaker 2: They are in a relationship. They both are in a

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Speaker 1: would caution that men are the biggest bunny boilers of

428
00:18:08,344 --> 00:18:10,024
Speaker 1: all time. But say, like one of your guy friends

429
00:18:10,064 --> 00:18:11,464
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I just want on one date with

430
00:18:11,464 --> 00:18:13,104
Speaker 1: this girl, and now she's calling me. She came to

431
00:18:13,104 --> 00:18:15,024
Speaker 1: my office the other day, and you would say, oh,

432
00:18:15,104 --> 00:18:17,344
Speaker 1: she's such a bunny boiler, or you've got yourself a

433
00:18:17,344 --> 00:18:19,184
Speaker 1: bunny boiler, or what are we gonna do about that

434
00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:22,504
Speaker 1: bunny boiler. I think I'm a bunny boiler. It's okay

435
00:18:22,504 --> 00:18:24,184
Speaker 1: if you are, it's not it's okay if you self

436
00:18:24,184 --> 00:18:26,504
Speaker 1: identify as a bunny boiler. Sometimes you just like someone

437
00:18:26,544 --> 00:18:28,184
Speaker 1: after the first day and you want to do just

438
00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:30,024
Speaker 1: a little bit of light stalking and you just want

439
00:18:30,064 --> 00:18:34,584
Speaker 1: to follow them around and be with them everything. I

440
00:18:34,624 --> 00:18:37,784
Speaker 1: get a call from them boys like because you're like

441
00:18:37,824 --> 00:18:41,184
Speaker 1: my imagine yah, yeah, yeah, they're like with apprehended Emily

442
00:18:41,264 --> 00:18:44,424
Speaker 1: outside a man's house and she's attached herself to the

443
00:18:44,424 --> 00:18:47,544
Speaker 1: door and is threatening not to leave. So the bunny

444
00:18:47,584 --> 00:18:51,424
Speaker 1: boiling in the movie is super iconic, and Alex sort

445
00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:54,024
Speaker 1: of goes on to continue stalking him by his characters.

446
00:18:54,024 --> 00:18:58,784
Speaker 1: I don't like animals because she was Corilla de Ville

447
00:18:58,784 --> 00:19:01,144
Speaker 1: at one hundred and one dumbation. I don't know. Maybe

448
00:19:01,224 --> 00:19:04,064
Speaker 1: going Close secretly hates animals. I do wish i'd answer

449
00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:05,464
Speaker 1: that in our interview. I bet you no one else

450
00:19:05,504 --> 00:19:09,864
Speaker 1: has asked her that questioned. If I ever interview her again,

451
00:19:09,904 --> 00:19:12,224
Speaker 1: I'll ask her. And then it escalates to the point

452
00:19:12,264 --> 00:19:15,184
Speaker 1: where like she kidnaps their daughter, and it's this whole

453
00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:17,544
Speaker 1: thing of like her and like Glenn Close to Michael

454
00:19:17,544 --> 00:19:21,304
Speaker 1: Douglas's characters have this kind of brutal fight towards the end,

455
00:19:21,664 --> 00:19:24,464
Speaker 1: and in the original ending, they had Glenn Close the

456
00:19:24,544 --> 00:19:28,064
Speaker 1: character kill herself and kind of have him like wrapped

457
00:19:28,144 --> 00:19:30,744
Speaker 1: up in it, and then test audiences hated that because

458
00:19:30,784 --> 00:19:32,344
Speaker 1: they're like, we don't like that she gets the last

459
00:19:32,384 --> 00:19:35,544
Speaker 1: laugh in a way. Yeah, So in the movie they

460
00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:37,984
Speaker 1: have her like brutally attack him and him kill her,

461
00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:39,824
Speaker 1: and then she like it's a classic horror movie thing

462
00:19:39,824 --> 00:19:41,704
Speaker 1: where she comes back and then he kills her again,

463
00:19:42,104 --> 00:19:44,584
Speaker 1: and then through this whole movie, he's seen as the hero.

464
00:19:45,144 --> 00:19:48,784
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's why it's bad for a first date movie.

465
00:19:49,024 --> 00:19:50,864
Speaker 1: In a way, Like on paper, you might think it's

466
00:19:50,904 --> 00:19:52,984
Speaker 1: good because like it's a bit sexy. At first, it's

467
00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:55,944
Speaker 1: an atmospheric and you're like, oh, they're having a little affair.

468
00:19:56,024 --> 00:19:57,704
Speaker 1: This is fun as I sit next to my date

469
00:19:57,984 --> 00:20:00,544
Speaker 1: on the couch with a glass of wine. But then

470
00:20:00,784 --> 00:20:03,464
Speaker 1: it's almost like a feminist movie. Yeah, but it'll kind

471
00:20:03,464 --> 00:20:05,184
Speaker 1: of make you hate men a little bit because when

472
00:20:05,184 --> 00:20:07,264
Speaker 1: I first watched it as a kid, I was like,

473
00:20:07,304 --> 00:20:09,984
Speaker 1: oh my god, that awful woman's crazy to that nice

474
00:20:09,984 --> 00:20:11,824
Speaker 1: man and nice family and they live in a nice

475
00:20:11,824 --> 00:20:14,184
Speaker 1: house and they're not crazy, and she's just you know,

476
00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,664
Speaker 1: showing up with like a blood dripping knife trying to

477
00:20:16,704 --> 00:20:19,104
Speaker 1: kill them. But as you get older, you're kind of like,

478
00:20:19,664 --> 00:20:22,744
Speaker 1: she kind of has a point, yeah, and she's just

479
00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:24,064
Speaker 1: going after what she wants.

480
00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:28,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just true, and she's just she's just like us.

481
00:20:27,264 --> 00:20:30,144
Speaker 1: She's just out there making she's just a single girl

482
00:20:30,224 --> 00:20:31,064
Speaker 1: doing the best she can.

483
00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:33,984
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has something else. So as you know, when

484
00:20:33,984 --> 00:20:35,984
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have done that in the first place, Yeah.

485
00:20:35,824 --> 00:20:37,864
Speaker 1: And he really gets no, like, yes, his wife's mad

486
00:20:37,864 --> 00:20:39,744
Speaker 1: at him, but everyone sees her as the village just

487
00:20:39,744 --> 00:20:42,064
Speaker 1: because she's out killing animals and kidnapping his child and

488
00:20:42,464 --> 00:20:44,704
Speaker 1: stalking him, and everyone's like, oh, she's so bad, and like,

489
00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:49,504
Speaker 1: who amongst us has not done something crazy when they

490
00:20:49,544 --> 00:20:52,904
Speaker 1: have a crush. Oh my god. So I'm team alex

491
00:20:52,984 --> 00:20:55,584
Speaker 1: Man for that movie. I'mm team going Close. And I

492
00:20:55,624 --> 00:20:57,264
Speaker 1: just feel like it's not the best movie to watch

493
00:20:57,304 --> 00:21:00,184
Speaker 1: on her first date because it kind of does make

494
00:21:00,264 --> 00:21:02,464
Speaker 1: you weary of hooking up with anyone because they go

495
00:21:02,584 --> 00:21:05,144
Speaker 1: crazy afterwards, and it kind of makes you feel like

496
00:21:05,184 --> 00:21:07,584
Speaker 1: all men are dirt bags. Yeah, and by the end

497
00:21:07,584 --> 00:21:09,024
Speaker 1: of it, you're like, don't touch me, or I will

498
00:21:09,104 --> 00:21:12,784
Speaker 1: kill your family pet, and then the date's over. Yeah,

499
00:21:12,824 --> 00:21:15,544
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's actually such a good example. But

500
00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:17,704
Speaker 1: I kind of want to watch it now. No, watch it, Okay,

501
00:21:17,704 --> 00:21:19,864
Speaker 1: And also we'll start he started hearing Buddy Boiler used

502
00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:22,864
Speaker 1: across the podcasts because we're bringing I'm bringing it back.

503
00:21:22,984 --> 00:21:25,144
Speaker 1: Let's do it, Bunny Boilers. Okay, what else do you

504
00:21:25,144 --> 00:21:25,664
Speaker 1: have on your list?

505
00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,904
Speaker 2: Okay, the next movie I want to talk about. It's

506
00:21:27,944 --> 00:21:31,384
Speaker 2: also a movie that you might not think is a

507
00:21:31,384 --> 00:21:34,464
Speaker 2: bad first date movie, but I watched it probably on

508
00:21:35,144 --> 00:21:36,744
Speaker 2: a third or fourth date.

509
00:21:36,904 --> 00:21:38,984
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and then never saw him again.

510
00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:40,984
Speaker 2: It's not that I didn't see him again, but I

511
00:21:41,024 --> 00:21:45,304
Speaker 2: think that movie ended up being a catalyst of our breakup.

512
00:21:45,784 --> 00:21:47,384
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like it would.

513
00:21:47,464 --> 00:21:50,704
Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, it's it's a rom com as well, which

514
00:21:50,744 --> 00:21:51,424
Speaker 2: is so funny.

515
00:21:51,504 --> 00:21:56,664
Speaker 1: No Friends with Benefits? Oh okay, So Friends with Benefits

516
00:21:56,664 --> 00:21:59,424
Speaker 1: and No Strings Attached the two movies I haven't actually

517
00:21:59,464 --> 00:22:01,704
Speaker 1: watched No Strings Attached. They're basically the same. So they

518
00:22:01,744 --> 00:22:03,424
Speaker 1: both came out in the same year, the same time,

519
00:22:03,464 --> 00:22:05,984
Speaker 1: and I got confused. The same movie, the same premise

520
00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:09,384
Speaker 1: came out this same year, and like, the names are interchangeable.

521
00:22:09,384 --> 00:22:10,824
Speaker 1: So which one did you say.

522
00:22:10,624 --> 00:22:14,184
Speaker 2: Friends Will Benefits? So the Mela Cunis and Justin Timberlake one, Yeah,

523
00:22:14,264 --> 00:22:17,184
Speaker 2: not the Natalie Portman and Cutch one.

524
00:22:17,304 --> 00:22:19,784
Speaker 1: Not that one. I think the Natalie Portman Ashton kutcher

525
00:22:19,824 --> 00:22:20,664
Speaker 1: Onan was the better one.

526
00:22:20,944 --> 00:22:22,704
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get a better one with

527
00:22:22,744 --> 00:22:26,544
Speaker 2: this movie premise. Okay anyway, So Friends with Benefits. It's

528
00:22:26,584 --> 00:22:28,704
Speaker 2: because I chose this one because I actually watched it

529
00:22:28,744 --> 00:22:31,664
Speaker 2: on a date and it didn't go well. Why so,

530
00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:35,904
Speaker 2: the whole movie is about justin Timberlake. Milla Cunis their

531
00:22:36,024 --> 00:22:38,384
Speaker 2: work friends. He's come from LA for a new job

532
00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:40,744
Speaker 2: in New York, which is where she's working, and they

533
00:22:40,784 --> 00:22:42,824
Speaker 2: become really close friends. And then they're sitting on a

534
00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:46,464
Speaker 2: couch like talking shit, drinking beers and she's like, I

535
00:22:46,624 --> 00:22:49,504
Speaker 2: just miss having really good sex without there having to

536
00:22:49,504 --> 00:22:51,344
Speaker 2: be something that comes out of it, and he's like,

537
00:22:51,424 --> 00:22:53,224
Speaker 2: I'm the same. And then they were like, let's just

538
00:22:53,304 --> 00:22:55,944
Speaker 2: have sex but stay friends. Yeah, So it's all about

539
00:22:55,984 --> 00:22:58,984
Speaker 2: the set on paper, a perfect setup, a perfect setup.

540
00:22:59,224 --> 00:23:01,184
Speaker 2: And then it's a sequence of them just having really

541
00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,384
Speaker 2: hot sex yeah, and still being friends and it's all

542
00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:05,304
Speaker 2: going well. And then we get to a point in

543
00:23:05,304 --> 00:23:07,104
Speaker 2: the movie where she's like, hey, I think I want

544
00:23:07,104 --> 00:23:09,344
Speaker 2: to start dating again, and it was still fine.

545
00:23:09,384 --> 00:23:10,984
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, let's having sex.

546
00:23:11,064 --> 00:23:12,984
Speaker 2: You want to date someone, And she finds like a

547
00:23:13,104 --> 00:23:16,264
Speaker 2: kind of situation ship, boyfriend, anything, and she's dating him.

548
00:23:16,984 --> 00:23:19,824
Speaker 2: She gets dumped or something happens in that relationship.

549
00:23:19,864 --> 00:23:21,104
Speaker 1: They go through a break and it's stump.

550
00:23:21,184 --> 00:23:23,904
Speaker 2: She gets dumped and she comes back to justin Timberlake

551
00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:25,664
Speaker 2: and she's like, I hate men.

552
00:23:25,744 --> 00:23:27,104
Speaker 1: Why is dating so had?

553
00:23:27,304 --> 00:23:29,344
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, and he's like, you know what, I'm

554
00:23:29,344 --> 00:23:31,344
Speaker 2: gonna go visit my sister in LA. Why don't you

555
00:23:31,384 --> 00:23:34,624
Speaker 2: just come with me? She goes to La. There's like

556
00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:37,664
Speaker 2: some big climax of contention, but they end up having

557
00:23:37,704 --> 00:23:40,264
Speaker 2: sex in a non friends of benefits right, and like

558
00:23:40,304 --> 00:23:44,784
Speaker 2: a very romantic slow giving receiving.

559
00:23:45,584 --> 00:23:48,424
Speaker 1: It's very romantic, and because like their earlier sex scenes

560
00:23:48,464 --> 00:23:50,744
Speaker 1: are either very kind of like just lets just get it,

561
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:52,464
Speaker 1: do it and get out of here, or tell you

562
00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:54,144
Speaker 1: what I want and you tell me what you want,

563
00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:56,024
Speaker 1: we'll just do that. Yeah, they're giving each other like

564
00:23:56,064 --> 00:23:58,544
Speaker 1: tips and tricks in a way that is like showing

565
00:23:58,544 --> 00:24:00,864
Speaker 1: your friend how to like throw baseball or something like.

566
00:24:00,904 --> 00:24:02,224
Speaker 1: It's not really that sexy.

567
00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:04,944
Speaker 2: And then the sex scene in LA is like it

568
00:24:05,104 --> 00:24:07,504
Speaker 2: changes the tone of their relationship because they both leave

569
00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:08,144
Speaker 2: that room.

570
00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:09,824
Speaker 1: Feeling a bit different about it, and you can especially

571
00:24:09,864 --> 00:24:11,544
Speaker 1: see with her that she was like, oh, this is

572
00:24:11,544 --> 00:24:12,864
Speaker 1: the guy for me. Yeah. Yeah.

573
00:24:13,064 --> 00:24:15,104
Speaker 2: And then there's some more contention around that and on

574
00:24:15,304 --> 00:24:18,264
Speaker 2: like she overhears him saying to his sister that she's

575
00:24:18,264 --> 00:24:20,584
Speaker 2: so difficult, and she's like, well, I'm not difficult, and

576
00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:21,984
Speaker 2: then they make up and they end up being in

577
00:24:22,024 --> 00:24:24,104
Speaker 2: a relationship together, which is how we all know that

578
00:24:24,144 --> 00:24:25,104
Speaker 2: movie was going to end.

579
00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:26,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, they end up. Is this the movie with the

580
00:24:26,824 --> 00:24:29,264
Speaker 1: flash mob at the end? Oh my god, I forgot

581
00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:30,904
Speaker 1: about that. That's why you shouldn't watch on a date,

582
00:24:30,944 --> 00:24:32,544
Speaker 1: because nothing good comes from a Flashbob.

583
00:24:32,864 --> 00:24:36,424
Speaker 2: Wasn't a flashbob Anyway. It's a fine movie to watch

584
00:24:36,704 --> 00:24:39,344
Speaker 2: if you're in a relationship, but I think when you're

585
00:24:39,384 --> 00:24:43,144
Speaker 2: in those early stages of dating, it puts the idea

586
00:24:43,224 --> 00:24:45,144
Speaker 2: in your head that you think the other person is

587
00:24:45,184 --> 00:24:45,904
Speaker 2: thinking about it.

588
00:24:46,304 --> 00:24:47,624
Speaker 1: Oh where.

589
00:24:47,664 --> 00:24:49,624
Speaker 2: I feel like it's one of those because the good

590
00:24:49,624 --> 00:24:51,944
Speaker 2: thing about movies and TV shows is that it sticks

591
00:24:51,944 --> 00:24:54,224
Speaker 2: with you for a long time, and especially if you're

592
00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:57,504
Speaker 2: having a shared watching experience, it's something that you constantly

593
00:24:57,504 --> 00:25:00,464
Speaker 2: talk about because it's such a shared moment. And then

594
00:25:00,504 --> 00:25:03,104
Speaker 2: I remember being on that date watching the movie, and

595
00:25:03,104 --> 00:25:06,704
Speaker 2: it just kind of changed the tone of our relationship afterwards,

596
00:25:06,784 --> 00:25:10,384
Speaker 2: because I think that movie gave us permission to you

597
00:25:11,224 --> 00:25:12,104
Speaker 2: ask for what.

598
00:25:12,024 --> 00:25:13,184
Speaker 1: We wanted from each other.

599
00:25:13,384 --> 00:25:15,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we wanted different things, and it was too

600
00:25:15,704 --> 00:25:16,944
Speaker 2: early to have that discussion.

601
00:25:17,104 --> 00:25:19,704
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see exactly what you mean. Because at

602
00:25:19,704 --> 00:25:21,184
Speaker 1: first she's chatting about the movie, you're like, ah, it's

603
00:25:21,184 --> 00:25:23,104
Speaker 1: so funny, and you know, Liss like, oh, she was

604
00:25:23,184 --> 00:25:24,744
Speaker 1: crazy for thinking that, and the guy can be like,

605
00:25:24,784 --> 00:25:26,064
Speaker 1: oh no, I mean he had a point. All of

606
00:25:26,104 --> 00:25:28,344
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're on completely opposite sides of where your

607
00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:31,184
Speaker 1: relationship is, even though you were talking about Justin and

608
00:25:31,184 --> 00:25:32,304
Speaker 1: Timla like a melihouness.

609
00:25:32,504 --> 00:25:34,984
Speaker 2: And it's also like, because it's a movie, you're watching

610
00:25:34,984 --> 00:25:36,864
Speaker 2: it for an hour, so it makes you feel like

611
00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:39,904
Speaker 2: they're having all these deep conversations and the changes and

612
00:25:39,904 --> 00:25:42,824
Speaker 2: then that dynamics of their relationship. It's only happening over

613
00:25:42,864 --> 00:25:45,384
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. Yeah, and it makes you think that

614
00:25:45,424 --> 00:25:46,464
Speaker 2: you can do that now.

615
00:25:46,424 --> 00:25:49,384
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It also makes it look like finding that

616
00:25:49,424 --> 00:25:51,864
Speaker 1: person having that first date and falling in love is

617
00:25:51,864 --> 00:25:53,944
Speaker 1: the thing to keep kind of chasing in a way.

618
00:25:54,184 --> 00:25:56,024
Speaker 1: So then you're like you sort of start thinking like, oh,

619
00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:57,984
Speaker 1: is this the person I really want to lock myself

620
00:25:57,984 --> 00:26:00,544
Speaker 1: into If I'm not when I could, and I'm never

621
00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:03,344
Speaker 1: gonna have that burst of like that first date love again.

622
00:26:03,544 --> 00:26:06,024
Speaker 1: And it also pushes you to like define your relationship

623
00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:07,984
Speaker 1: very quickly exactly like you're saying.

624
00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:10,624
Speaker 2: And it also I feel like the friends would benefit fits.

625
00:26:10,744 --> 00:26:14,624
Speaker 2: Thing rarely ends well where both of them are happy,

626
00:26:14,984 --> 00:26:16,184
Speaker 2: Like it's a rare occurring.

627
00:26:16,264 --> 00:26:18,464
Speaker 1: It ends well in a lot of movies, but in

628
00:26:18,504 --> 00:26:21,504
Speaker 1: real life, real life, it's messy as hell, and it

629
00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,984
Speaker 1: usually ends with you guys hating each other.

630
00:26:24,264 --> 00:26:27,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like you might try to have a relationship

631
00:26:27,384 --> 00:26:29,464
Speaker 2: and then realize because you were just friends with benefits

632
00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:31,264
Speaker 2: the whole time, you actually don't know each other that well,

633
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,704
Speaker 2: and then it blows up or then it just like

634
00:26:33,784 --> 00:26:34,504
Speaker 2: fizzles out.

635
00:26:34,424 --> 00:26:37,424
Speaker 1: And you never see them again ever again. That's so dark.

636
00:26:37,464 --> 00:26:39,624
Speaker 1: It's so dark, And I'm like, this is a rom comment.

637
00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:41,464
Speaker 1: It's so funny, so we thought we didn't need another

638
00:26:41,504 --> 00:26:45,704
Speaker 1: reason to hate. Justin Timberlate and he's ruined Emily's dating life.

639
00:26:45,984 --> 00:26:48,744
Speaker 2: And then your boyfriend gets a dui and bey and

640
00:26:48,784 --> 00:26:50,624
Speaker 2: it gets stopped and he has the world torn to.

641
00:26:50,624 --> 00:26:52,984
Speaker 1: Think about it. Yeah, and then they hang a photo

642
00:26:53,064 --> 00:26:55,024
Speaker 1: of him with his munksh on the local gallery.

643
00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:57,904
Speaker 2: And also when I rewatched that movie, she is such

644
00:26:57,944 --> 00:26:58,704
Speaker 2: a pick me girl.

645
00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:01,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like watching it when I was like that was

646
00:27:01,384 --> 00:27:02,504
Speaker 1: very all the time.

647
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:06,504
Speaker 2: So the time watching that, I was like, she's so cool.

648
00:27:06,504 --> 00:27:07,224
Speaker 1: I want to be like her.

649
00:27:07,344 --> 00:27:09,104
Speaker 2: She's so fun and now when I watch it, I'm like,

650
00:27:09,624 --> 00:27:11,184
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even want to be in the same room

651
00:27:11,184 --> 00:27:11,464
Speaker 2: as her.

652
00:27:11,704 --> 00:27:14,264
Speaker 1: Noh, isn't that awful? Yeah it's no. That is so

653
00:27:14,584 --> 00:27:16,544
Speaker 1: jumping off the Hollywood sign? How did you get up there?

654
00:27:18,144 --> 00:27:22,704
Speaker 1: But he when he got airlifted out? Why did I

655
00:27:22,704 --> 00:27:27,064
Speaker 1: think that was justin Timberlake? I was like that, so

656
00:27:27,144 --> 00:27:31,504
Speaker 1: what happened to him? It's so one does a pink moment?

657
00:27:31,544 --> 00:27:33,624
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was such a specific moment in time

658
00:27:33,664 --> 00:27:36,544
Speaker 1: where every romcom leading lady was very much like She's like,

659
00:27:36,624 --> 00:27:38,824
Speaker 1: I'm so small and petite. I can get blown away

660
00:27:38,864 --> 00:27:41,344
Speaker 1: by the land, but also like talking.

661
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:46,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can drink a beer, yeah, and like much burgers.

662
00:27:46,304 --> 00:27:48,144
Speaker 1: But where does it come? Yeah, I don't just like

663
00:27:48,184 --> 00:27:50,064
Speaker 1: to hang out with the boys. Don't have any girlfriends.

664
00:27:50,104 --> 00:27:53,104
Speaker 1: I love working in along with because yeah, women are

665
00:27:53,104 --> 00:27:58,104
Speaker 1: so difficult to work and I ate it all up

666
00:27:59,584 --> 00:28:03,304
Speaker 1: should be like on a date. But can imagine if nah, wow,

667
00:28:03,664 --> 00:28:05,864
Speaker 1: so many lessons movie. They should put that movie in

668
00:28:05,864 --> 00:28:07,504
Speaker 1: the curriculum to study for teenagers.

669
00:28:07,944 --> 00:28:11,024
Speaker 2: I think we should do a full analysis of old

670
00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:12,304
Speaker 2: movie of that movie.

671
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,344
Speaker 1: Okay, then you're gonna have to watch the other friends

672
00:28:15,344 --> 00:28:18,304
Speaker 1: looking up movies so we can compare and contrast a

673
00:28:18,344 --> 00:28:21,424
Speaker 1: good idea. Actually, yeah, yeah, okay, I also have a

674
00:28:21,464 --> 00:28:25,264
Speaker 1: comedy one that it's not the cool girl thing. Speaking

675
00:28:25,264 --> 00:28:28,104
Speaker 1: of that, to say that this movie fills you with

676
00:28:28,144 --> 00:28:30,984
Speaker 1: a sense of dread because the leading lady said that

677
00:28:31,024 --> 00:28:34,344
Speaker 1: this movie wasn't great and lost her entire career over it.

678
00:28:34,584 --> 00:28:38,464
Speaker 1: So just be warned as we start this conversation. Knocked up.

679
00:28:39,064 --> 00:28:42,144
Speaker 1: Oh have you seen that? Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah.

680
00:28:42,224 --> 00:28:44,304
Speaker 1: So it came out in two thousand and seven and

681
00:28:44,864 --> 00:28:48,224
Speaker 1: was performed super well at the box office. I love

682
00:28:48,384 --> 00:28:51,304
Speaker 1: that movie. No, no, it's a good movie. It's just

683
00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:53,664
Speaker 1: when you start to think about it's like all these

684
00:28:53,664 --> 00:28:55,464
Speaker 1: movies are kind of okay on their own. Torch is

685
00:28:55,464 --> 00:28:57,184
Speaker 1: a first date. It's when you start as you're talking

686
00:28:57,224 --> 00:28:59,024
Speaker 1: about it with your date, or you start thinking about

687
00:28:59,024 --> 00:29:00,984
Speaker 1: what could happen if you keep dating this person. How

688
00:29:01,224 --> 00:29:02,944
Speaker 1: is what she meant to be in the movie? Like

689
00:29:03,024 --> 00:29:06,864
Speaker 1: keep on how old she is? So she's like nearly thirty,

690
00:29:06,984 --> 00:29:08,224
Speaker 1: So if she doesn't have the baby, this is the

691
00:29:08,304 --> 00:29:10,864
Speaker 1: last chance. Yeah, kind of vibe. So this came out

692
00:29:10,864 --> 00:29:13,744
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and it starred Seth rogen

693
00:29:13,864 --> 00:29:17,224
Speaker 1: as a guy called Ben, And it was when Catherine

694
00:29:17,264 --> 00:29:20,024
Speaker 1: Heigel had already had like her big Gray's Anatomy to

695
00:29:20,064 --> 00:29:22,304
Speaker 1: turn at that moment in time, she was a real

696
00:29:22,944 --> 00:29:25,224
Speaker 1: leading lady in Hollywood. Like her face is on all

697
00:29:25,224 --> 00:29:28,064
Speaker 1: the billboards every movie. Like she just like left Gray's

698
00:29:28,064 --> 00:29:30,544
Speaker 1: Anatomy to just be movie. I think she was still

699
00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:32,304
Speaker 1: its kind of that gray area where she was like

700
00:29:32,344 --> 00:29:33,904
Speaker 1: on the way out, but she had done a lot

701
00:29:33,904 --> 00:29:36,984
Speaker 1: of big movies and she was the in demand leading lady.

702
00:29:37,424 --> 00:29:38,744
Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting that I think it was

703
00:29:38,744 --> 00:29:40,864
Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway who was meant to play the role, and

704
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,944
Speaker 1: she pulled out last minute because she could kind of

705
00:29:43,984 --> 00:29:45,864
Speaker 1: see into the future like this is a bit problematic,

706
00:29:45,864 --> 00:29:48,104
Speaker 1: it's not going to age well, and so Catherine Heigel

707
00:29:48,104 --> 00:29:53,664
Speaker 1: stepped in. So Catherine Heigel plays a TV reporter, super ambitious,

708
00:29:54,024 --> 00:29:56,464
Speaker 1: waiting for her big break. She gets a really good

709
00:29:56,704 --> 00:29:58,384
Speaker 1: role at work, and so she's out and about and

710
00:29:58,424 --> 00:30:00,944
Speaker 1: she meets this guy Ben played by Seth Rogan, who

711
00:30:00,984 --> 00:30:04,864
Speaker 1: is the typical like schlubby ye like I mean, and

712
00:30:04,904 --> 00:30:07,504
Speaker 1: also Seth Rogan just hide all his friends. Yeah, has

713
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,584
Speaker 1: he played his friends? Yeah? Yeah, as he does. He's

714
00:30:09,584 --> 00:30:11,504
Speaker 1: a very Adam Sander a load of him, not even

715
00:30:11,544 --> 00:30:13,664
Speaker 1: the way he looks, because as we know, men can

716
00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:15,464
Speaker 1: get away with anything. Yeah, and so they don't have

717
00:30:15,504 --> 00:30:17,944
Speaker 1: to be like conventionally attractive to be a leading man.

718
00:30:17,984 --> 00:30:20,864
Speaker 2: But seth Rogen always played a particular type of role

719
00:30:20,904 --> 00:30:22,624
Speaker 2: in the late two thousands, and it was like the

720
00:30:22,824 --> 00:30:25,424
Speaker 2: like the guy that no one really wanted to be with.

721
00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:27,664
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also his character in this is meant to

722
00:30:27,664 --> 00:30:29,184
Speaker 1: be kind of like a bit of a no hoper,

723
00:30:29,304 --> 00:30:31,464
Speaker 1: Like he's living off some compensation money that he got

724
00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:33,864
Speaker 1: years ago, so he doesn't work. He's like not super

725
00:30:33,864 --> 00:30:36,464
Speaker 1: fun to be around. He's like very like self indulgent.

726
00:30:36,824 --> 00:30:39,904
Speaker 1: So Catherine Heigel and him meet up. They get super drunk.

727
00:30:39,984 --> 00:30:41,944
Speaker 1: They sleep together one night. The next in the morning

728
00:30:41,944 --> 00:30:43,304
Speaker 1: she wakes up and she's a bit like she's that

729
00:30:43,344 --> 00:30:45,864
Speaker 1: feeling people heard of, like, oh I wish I hadn't

730
00:30:45,904 --> 00:30:48,264
Speaker 1: done that. Oh yeah, but it's nice enough to him.

731
00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:51,144
Speaker 1: Everything obviously gets pregnant, yeah, and then they have to

732
00:30:51,184 --> 00:30:54,184
Speaker 1: sort of they try and then start dating. This is

733
00:30:54,184 --> 00:30:56,624
Speaker 1: where it becomes a horror movie. Even though it's meant

734
00:30:56,664 --> 00:30:59,424
Speaker 1: to be a comedy that has a happy ending, part

735
00:30:59,464 --> 00:31:02,064
Speaker 1: of me feels that Catherine Heigel is playing it this way,

736
00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:05,184
Speaker 1: that she's still trying to talk herself into being with

737
00:31:05,224 --> 00:31:07,704
Speaker 1: this guy, but it's kind of ruined her life. Not

738
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,024
Speaker 1: the baby has ruined her life because she does want

739
00:31:10,024 --> 00:31:12,184
Speaker 1: the baby, so she keeps it, which is very nice.

740
00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:14,904
Speaker 1: But this idea that she has to talk herself into

741
00:31:15,264 --> 00:31:18,104
Speaker 1: being in love with the father who we all know

742
00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:20,504
Speaker 1: she would never have hung out with again. And it's

743
00:31:20,504 --> 00:31:23,424
Speaker 1: meant to be a tale about how beautiful women are

744
00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:27,064
Speaker 1: so dismissive of like the nice guy, and how if

745
00:31:27,104 --> 00:31:28,824
Speaker 1: you like actually give the nice guy a chance, he

746
00:31:28,904 --> 00:31:31,224
Speaker 1: will be your Prince Charming. But this guy does next

747
00:31:31,264 --> 00:31:33,464
Speaker 1: to nothing for her. Yeah, it's kind of trues to

748
00:31:33,504 --> 00:31:35,344
Speaker 1: like crap through the whole movie. At the end, like

749
00:31:35,664 --> 00:31:37,944
Speaker 1: finds her obstetrition to help her give birth. Everyone's like

750
00:31:37,984 --> 00:31:39,944
Speaker 1: he's a hero, he's showed up. I'm like, that is

751
00:31:40,024 --> 00:31:42,384
Speaker 1: a bare minimum that man should have done. Oh my god,

752
00:31:42,384 --> 00:31:44,584
Speaker 1: I forgot about it all this. You watch it with

753
00:31:44,624 --> 00:31:46,264
Speaker 1: different eyes, And again I don't want to go apart

754
00:31:46,264 --> 00:31:48,024
Speaker 1: and pick a part of comedy from ages ago because

755
00:31:48,024 --> 00:31:50,624
Speaker 1: I find that's not helpful. And like Seth, but there's

756
00:31:50,664 --> 00:31:52,944
Speaker 1: always a tone of like beautiful women should give the

757
00:31:53,024 --> 00:31:55,744
Speaker 1: nice guy a chance, Like that's all beautiful women do. Yeah,

758
00:31:55,784 --> 00:31:57,904
Speaker 1: it's like they always give the nice guy a chance exactly,

759
00:31:57,904 --> 00:31:59,824
Speaker 1: like we've seen. It's not like a like an uncommon

760
00:31:59,824 --> 00:32:02,104
Speaker 1: thing exactly. Also, if he had really gone above and

761
00:32:02,104 --> 00:32:04,384
Speaker 1: beyond for her and they really had chemistry, which I

762
00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:06,624
Speaker 1: feel they could have had, because I find seth Rogen

763
00:32:06,904 --> 00:32:09,704
Speaker 1: very charismatic. I've listened to interviews with him or like

764
00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:12,144
Speaker 1: watched interviews Impoor and just thought, God, that's an attractive man.

765
00:32:12,424 --> 00:32:15,944
Speaker 2: He is so smart and attractive, like in the roles

766
00:32:15,984 --> 00:32:18,584
Speaker 2: he does now, like in Platonic. Yeah, on Apple, I'm like,

767
00:32:18,584 --> 00:32:20,424
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's like the dream guy.

768
00:32:20,784 --> 00:32:22,984
Speaker 1: It's almost like she's being punished all the way through

769
00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:25,624
Speaker 1: the movie for having sex, and you keep thinking there's

770
00:32:25,624 --> 00:32:27,624
Speaker 1: gonna be some redemption for this man, and they try

771
00:32:27,664 --> 00:32:30,264
Speaker 1: and give him a redemption, but it never really comes.

772
00:32:30,264 --> 00:32:32,504
Speaker 1: So it really if you watch it with different eyes,

773
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:34,704
Speaker 1: it is a horror movie of all, Like she should

774
00:32:34,704 --> 00:32:37,664
Speaker 1: accept him for the way he is. Shit, Yeah, he's

775
00:32:37,744 --> 00:32:39,984
Speaker 1: not a cool dude, take that baby and live with

776
00:32:39,984 --> 00:32:41,424
Speaker 1: in a little granny flat out the back of her

777
00:32:41,464 --> 00:32:45,104
Speaker 1: sister's house. Yes, And also everyone treats Leslie Mann's character

778
00:32:45,144 --> 00:32:47,184
Speaker 1: in that movie like an absolute pill, and I was like,

779
00:32:47,224 --> 00:32:50,464
Speaker 1: she's anyone who's getting stuffed done. We love man always

780
00:32:50,464 --> 00:32:52,544
Speaker 1: plays like the best cars, and it's like, you're a

781
00:32:52,624 --> 00:32:54,744
Speaker 1: dirt bag out of here. My sister can raise this baby. Oh,

782
00:32:54,784 --> 00:32:56,584
Speaker 1: she's like, I'll raise the baby. And I was like,

783
00:32:56,624 --> 00:32:59,264
Speaker 1: that woman's a goddamn hero and she's painted is the

784
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:01,424
Speaker 1: villain and I won't stand for that. So you're watching

785
00:33:01,424 --> 00:33:03,224
Speaker 1: this on a first date run and you start thinking,

786
00:33:03,224 --> 00:33:05,424
Speaker 1: you start looking styways and thinking like, well, if you're

787
00:33:05,424 --> 00:33:07,024
Speaker 1: watching on the couch at huring, we're probably gonna have

788
00:33:07,064 --> 00:33:10,264
Speaker 1: sex afterwards. Then I might get pregnant. Then I'm friend

789
00:33:10,624 --> 00:33:13,344
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna spend forever talking myself into life. You're

790
00:33:13,384 --> 00:33:14,664
Speaker 1: like it's the first time. I'm like, I don't even

791
00:33:14,664 --> 00:33:17,304
Speaker 1: know his last name. Yeah, he could be a pill,

792
00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:20,304
Speaker 1: like in this movie. And also the last scene in

793
00:33:20,304 --> 00:33:23,264
Speaker 1: this movie where they're driving with the baby towards his

794
00:33:23,344 --> 00:33:24,944
Speaker 1: home and they're having they're meant to be having this

795
00:33:24,984 --> 00:33:27,544
Speaker 1: like really cute back and forth banter. And I don't

796
00:33:27,544 --> 00:33:29,504
Speaker 1: know if Catherine Haiger was playing it this way, but

797
00:33:29,584 --> 00:33:31,504
Speaker 1: I do feel like she feels like someone who is

798
00:33:31,944 --> 00:33:35,624
Speaker 1: so trapped in this situation that she is talking herself

799
00:33:36,104 --> 00:33:39,184
Speaker 1: into like liking this man and having this bantry conversation.

800
00:33:39,784 --> 00:33:41,744
Speaker 1: But as the cars drumming along, you can just tell

801
00:33:41,744 --> 00:33:43,504
Speaker 1: she wants to throw herself out of the movie car.

802
00:33:44,304 --> 00:33:46,464
Speaker 1: It's my take on it now watching it, Oh my god,

803
00:33:46,464 --> 00:33:47,984
Speaker 1: I just think if you're watching it on a first date,

804
00:33:48,024 --> 00:33:49,824
Speaker 1: it'll just make you never want to touch a man again.

805
00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,184
Speaker 1: Never have a one night stare, never date anyone, never

806
00:33:53,224 --> 00:33:56,704
Speaker 1: gives anyone a chance. Yeah, never put any dating over

807
00:33:56,744 --> 00:33:59,304
Speaker 1: your career. Next thing, you know, you're ending the date.

808
00:33:59,824 --> 00:34:01,984
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, no, we're never going to get

809
00:34:01,984 --> 00:34:03,744
Speaker 1: a date again. No, we're never going to date again.

810
00:34:03,984 --> 00:34:05,704
Speaker 1: We're never gonna date again. And no one else listening

811
00:34:05,704 --> 00:34:10,864
Speaker 1: to this episode it's just make you hate man. Know actually,

812
00:34:10,944 --> 00:34:12,504
Speaker 1: I do think that's what I was getting at as

813
00:34:12,544 --> 00:34:14,704
Speaker 1: I went through. They just all make you oh my

814
00:34:14,744 --> 00:34:15,984
Speaker 1: oh wait, do you hear my last one? It's the

815
00:34:16,064 --> 00:34:21,264
Speaker 1: ultimate man hating movie. Or speaking of hating men, no

816
00:34:21,424 --> 00:34:23,864
Speaker 1: movie has made me hate a man like this. Next

817
00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:25,984
Speaker 1: one I'm gonna do just to finish us off. Oh

818
00:34:26,024 --> 00:34:29,504
Speaker 1: my god, have you seen ready or not? No? Oh

819
00:34:29,544 --> 00:34:31,424
Speaker 1: my god, you would love it. Oh, my god. I

820
00:34:31,464 --> 00:34:34,224
Speaker 1: always feel bad telling you anything about it. No, I

821
00:34:34,304 --> 00:34:37,024
Speaker 1: need to know it. Wait, what is this? I don't

822
00:34:37,304 --> 00:34:39,264
Speaker 1: even heard of it. I can't believe you haven't heard

823
00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:40,904
Speaker 1: of it. The scenes that have come from it are

824
00:34:41,024 --> 00:34:43,904
Speaker 1: so iconic, Like I feel like it's become a shorthand

825
00:34:43,944 --> 00:34:46,144
Speaker 1: for just like never get married and in laws are

826
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,704
Speaker 1: terrible and all men are terrible. Is the takeaway. It's

827
00:34:48,704 --> 00:34:50,784
Speaker 1: gonna a sequel soon next year. The sequels coming out.

828
00:34:50,824 --> 00:34:52,784
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. The cast is so good. Anyway, So

829
00:34:52,864 --> 00:34:55,104
Speaker 1: this came out in twenty nineteen. It's a horror comedy.

830
00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:58,944
Speaker 1: It's a horror comedy. Horror comedy, my fave. It stars

831
00:34:58,984 --> 00:35:02,264
Speaker 1: Ozzy Girl Samara Eating, who is such a good screen queen,

832
00:35:02,504 --> 00:35:04,784
Speaker 1: and not just like in the idea that she's great

833
00:35:04,824 --> 00:35:06,904
Speaker 1: in a horror movie, but apparently she has one of

834
00:35:06,904 --> 00:35:09,344
Speaker 1: the best screens in Hollywood. She's been in quite a

835
00:35:09,384 --> 00:35:12,744
Speaker 1: few horror movies in the last screen movie, and a

836
00:35:12,784 --> 00:35:14,784
Speaker 1: lot of actresses can't, which is fair enough because you

837
00:35:14,784 --> 00:35:17,184
Speaker 1: have to really like can't get that really big screen

838
00:35:17,224 --> 00:35:19,024
Speaker 1: that you need for movies, and they have to die.

839
00:35:19,464 --> 00:35:22,144
Speaker 1: I've seen this movie. Oh, my thought you had. I

840
00:35:22,184 --> 00:35:24,064
Speaker 1: was like, you, you definitely.

841
00:35:23,744 --> 00:35:25,464
Speaker 2: Have about the house, and then they have to play

842
00:35:25,504 --> 00:35:28,024
Speaker 2: hide and see. Yeah, oh my god, this movie scared

843
00:35:28,064 --> 00:35:28,784
Speaker 2: the shit out of.

844
00:35:28,904 --> 00:35:30,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did it make you not want to date?

845
00:35:30,224 --> 00:35:32,984
Speaker 1: Because here's what's happened obviously, Yeah, I have been on

846
00:35:32,984 --> 00:35:38,224
Speaker 1: a date since crazy. So Samara Weaving plays Grace and

847
00:35:38,784 --> 00:35:41,664
Speaker 1: she's a young woman who falls in love with this

848
00:35:41,744 --> 00:35:43,984
Speaker 1: man called Alex. She's also grew up in Foster Holmes

849
00:35:44,024 --> 00:35:45,664
Speaker 1: and have her own family, so when she falls in

850
00:35:45,704 --> 00:35:48,064
Speaker 1: love with Alex, she is just thinking, this is it

851
00:35:48,224 --> 00:35:50,744
Speaker 1: everyone who grows up without a family dreams of I

852
00:35:50,824 --> 00:35:53,464
Speaker 1: met this lovely man who loves me for me. She

853
00:35:53,624 --> 00:35:56,304
Speaker 1: really wants to get married and he is a bit

854
00:35:56,384 --> 00:35:58,744
Speaker 1: of strange from his family. But when they find out

855
00:35:58,784 --> 00:36:00,464
Speaker 1: that they're getting married, they offer to kind of like

856
00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:02,264
Speaker 1: throw them a big wedding and stuff. So she's like,

857
00:36:02,264 --> 00:36:04,384
Speaker 1: oh my god, great, I'm marrying this man. I'm gonna

858
00:36:04,424 --> 00:36:07,144
Speaker 1: have his whole family. And to make things even better,

859
00:36:07,224 --> 00:36:12,144
Speaker 1: the family is rich, so rich. Actually mansion the les

860
00:36:12,264 --> 00:36:15,224
Speaker 1: Dommas family. It's one of those mansions where you didn't

861
00:36:15,224 --> 00:36:17,584
Speaker 1: even know rooms existing, Yeah, exactly, and they've got maids

862
00:36:17,624 --> 00:36:19,704
Speaker 1: walking around their outfits and stuff. So and they also

863
00:36:19,784 --> 00:36:22,544
Speaker 1: like dress up like the queen. Yes, yes, and those

864
00:36:22,584 --> 00:36:24,584
Speaker 1: families are like a bit weird and eccentric. But she's

865
00:36:24,664 --> 00:36:26,384
Speaker 1: kind of just like, oh, you know, they're old money

866
00:36:26,424 --> 00:36:28,624
Speaker 1: and that's fine. He said, they're a bit weird. So

867
00:36:28,824 --> 00:36:31,864
Speaker 1: the movie opens with their wedding and it's so wildly romantic,

868
00:36:32,424 --> 00:36:35,384
Speaker 1: and she meets all of his family, including his brother Daniel.

869
00:36:35,424 --> 00:36:36,664
Speaker 1: And this is why I want to recommend this movie

870
00:36:36,704 --> 00:36:40,224
Speaker 1: because we're still in Nobody Wants This Territory played by

871
00:36:40,224 --> 00:36:43,424
Speaker 1: Adam Brady in I think one of his best roles ever.

872
00:36:43,544 --> 00:36:46,984
Speaker 1: This is a very overlooked role in his filmography.

873
00:36:47,144 --> 00:36:49,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think like he was the reason

874
00:36:49,864 --> 00:36:52,184
Speaker 2: why I watched this movie. Was like he was the

875
00:36:52,264 --> 00:36:54,384
Speaker 2: name in the movie that I want to watch this.

876
00:36:54,664 --> 00:36:56,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's about such a good cast like Andy McDowell's,

877
00:36:56,904 --> 00:36:58,744
Speaker 1: and it too the cast of a sequel is like

878
00:36:58,744 --> 00:37:01,184
Speaker 1: off the hook. So they get married and then Alex

879
00:37:01,224 --> 00:37:04,104
Speaker 1: tells Grace that they have a family tradition where when

880
00:37:04,144 --> 00:37:06,584
Speaker 1: anyone in the family gets married, on the wedding night,

881
00:37:07,144 --> 00:37:09,384
Speaker 1: they play a game where they have this like set

882
00:37:09,384 --> 00:37:11,544
Speaker 1: of cards and the there's a lot of members in

883
00:37:11,544 --> 00:37:12,904
Speaker 1: the family. Yeah, there's a big so you know, you've

884
00:37:12,904 --> 00:37:15,344
Speaker 1: got his brothers and sisters and like their spouse and

885
00:37:15,504 --> 00:37:18,304
Speaker 1: kids and all there, and they're all creepy as hell looking,

886
00:37:18,624 --> 00:37:20,824
Speaker 1: which she's just like, yeah, that's fine. And so she

887
00:37:20,904 --> 00:37:23,184
Speaker 1: draws a car that says hide and seek, and at

888
00:37:23,184 --> 00:37:25,264
Speaker 1: first she's like, oh, we've really gonna play hide and seek?

889
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:27,504
Speaker 1: Like this is so silly. At this stage, she's like,

890
00:37:27,544 --> 00:37:29,864
Speaker 1: it's just a game, it's fine, and they say yes,

891
00:37:30,144 --> 00:37:32,824
Speaker 1: and so she goes off to hide, and his sister,

892
00:37:32,944 --> 00:37:34,784
Speaker 1: think it is comes in the room looking for her,

893
00:37:34,824 --> 00:37:36,504
Speaker 1: and this is when she realized it's not a game,

894
00:37:36,704 --> 00:37:40,304
Speaker 1: because she shoots a maid in the head thinking it's Grace.

895
00:37:40,864 --> 00:37:43,144
Speaker 1: And that is when she realizes it's not a game

896
00:37:43,224 --> 00:37:45,624
Speaker 1: because this family, one of their ancestors had made a

897
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:48,864
Speaker 1: deal with essentially the devil, and the deal is that

898
00:37:48,944 --> 00:37:51,504
Speaker 1: every time someone comes into the family, if they pick

899
00:37:51,584 --> 00:37:54,584
Speaker 1: that card, then they have to kill them before sunrise,

900
00:37:54,624 --> 00:37:58,184
Speaker 1: otherwise the entire family will die. So now the entire

901
00:37:58,224 --> 00:38:01,504
Speaker 1: family that Grace has married into, including her brand new

902
00:38:01,584 --> 00:38:04,744
Speaker 1: husband who said he loved her, are hunting her through

903
00:38:04,784 --> 00:38:06,464
Speaker 1: the night for this big manch and the whole time

904
00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:09,344
Speaker 1: she's in her wedding dress, which is which gets increasing

905
00:38:09,424 --> 00:38:13,904
Speaker 1: me more bloodied and ripped as she continually has to

906
00:38:13,984 --> 00:38:16,584
Speaker 1: kill members of the family and it makes you not

907
00:38:16,584 --> 00:38:18,544
Speaker 1: want to watch on a first date or get married

908
00:38:18,624 --> 00:38:21,264
Speaker 1: or anything. For obviously then you'd always be worried about

909
00:38:21,304 --> 00:38:24,504
Speaker 1: meeting your in laws. I know I am because this

910
00:38:24,584 --> 00:38:26,624
Speaker 1: is always in the back of my head. Now, yeah,

911
00:38:26,664 --> 00:38:28,784
Speaker 1: that this could happen, and it's like the trick of

912
00:38:28,824 --> 00:38:30,624
Speaker 1: being so welcoming. Yeah.

913
00:38:30,664 --> 00:38:33,704
Speaker 2: And also I went in watching this movie not knowing

914
00:38:33,744 --> 00:38:37,504
Speaker 2: it was horrible. Oh really no, because Adam Brody is

915
00:38:37,504 --> 00:38:39,024
Speaker 2: meant to be a safe person.

916
00:38:39,344 --> 00:38:41,944
Speaker 1: Well, he tries to be the brother that's so cy

917
00:38:42,024 --> 00:38:43,824
Speaker 1: So he does try and help her and that doesn't end.

918
00:38:43,824 --> 00:38:45,504
Speaker 1: But that's so good because you can see the conflict

919
00:38:45,544 --> 00:38:47,984
Speaker 1: in him of like he knows what his family is

920
00:38:47,984 --> 00:38:50,504
Speaker 1: doing is terribly wrong, and so he almost tries to

921
00:38:50,544 --> 00:38:52,864
Speaker 1: help his new sister in law, not even the in laws.

922
00:38:52,904 --> 00:38:54,744
Speaker 1: That's not enough to make me not want to date someone.

923
00:38:54,904 --> 00:38:56,664
Speaker 1: Everyone has a lot of people have mad in laws.

924
00:38:56,824 --> 00:38:59,304
Speaker 1: You can still date them. You get the ick with

925
00:38:59,384 --> 00:39:02,024
Speaker 1: Alex in the movie the first time. You get the

926
00:39:02,024 --> 00:39:04,024
Speaker 1: ick with him right, because at first he's trying to

927
00:39:04,024 --> 00:39:05,624
Speaker 1: help her and protect her and help her get out

928
00:39:05,624 --> 00:39:08,224
Speaker 1: of the house, and she was like, why did you

929
00:39:08,224 --> 00:39:09,504
Speaker 1: bring me here? Why did you do this? He's like, well,

930
00:39:09,504 --> 00:39:11,664
Speaker 1: you're the one wh wanted to get married, and she

931
00:39:11,824 --> 00:39:15,304
Speaker 1: is justifiably like what, Oh my god, victim blame the

932
00:39:15,384 --> 00:39:17,704
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, she'say, yeah, I want to get married

933
00:39:17,744 --> 00:39:19,984
Speaker 1: and think your family was gonna kill me and like

934
00:39:20,104 --> 00:39:22,664
Speaker 1: hunt me through the night like I'm an animal and kick.

935
00:39:22,904 --> 00:39:25,264
Speaker 1: He's like, well you shouldn't presume things. Yeah, exactly, so

936
00:39:25,344 --> 00:39:27,544
Speaker 1: he puts it back on her and yeah, and get

937
00:39:27,544 --> 00:39:29,664
Speaker 1: half the maids in the house killed. To be fair,

938
00:39:29,704 --> 00:39:31,264
Speaker 1: they are helping to kill Grace, but one of the

939
00:39:31,344 --> 00:39:33,464
Speaker 1: sisters is just a very trigger happy and keeps accidentally

940
00:39:33,464 --> 00:39:33,984
Speaker 1: shooting them.

941
00:39:33,944 --> 00:39:34,224
Speaker 2: In there.

942
00:39:36,904 --> 00:39:40,024
Speaker 1: For years, we've killed so many people together. Well, it's

943
00:39:40,024 --> 00:39:41,424
Speaker 1: like when she falls into the pit with all the

944
00:39:41,464 --> 00:39:44,304
Speaker 1: old bodies and the dad's like, does she look like

945
00:39:44,344 --> 00:39:46,584
Speaker 1: she's wearing a big white dress? Stop killing the help.

946
00:39:46,944 --> 00:39:50,424
Speaker 1: It's a very funny movie, but also Alex then turns

947
00:39:50,424 --> 00:39:52,304
Speaker 1: on okay, not really spoiling it too much. A lot

948
00:39:52,384 --> 00:39:54,944
Speaker 1: happens that I haven't even talked about. Alex turns on

949
00:39:55,024 --> 00:39:57,704
Speaker 1: his new wife towards the end because he sees her

950
00:39:57,864 --> 00:40:00,624
Speaker 1: hitting his mother who was trying to kill her, And

951
00:40:00,664 --> 00:40:02,464
Speaker 1: that also gave me it because you know, we don't

952
00:40:02,504 --> 00:40:07,424
Speaker 1: love mama's boy. Yeah, not cute. So at this stage,

953
00:40:07,424 --> 00:40:08,424
Speaker 1: are you watching this on a day?

954
00:40:08,424 --> 00:40:10,704
Speaker 2: I think it's a red flag and I'm so sorry

955
00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:13,424
Speaker 2: because you have no control over there at all.

956
00:40:13,784 --> 00:40:16,544
Speaker 1: If a guy doesn't have sisters a red flag. If

957
00:40:16,544 --> 00:40:19,704
Speaker 1: he doesn't have sisters, interesting, I almost think the same thing,

958
00:40:20,224 --> 00:40:21,584
Speaker 1: like like.

959
00:40:21,544 --> 00:40:24,504
Speaker 2: Your brother not a red flag? Yeah, because he only

960
00:40:24,544 --> 00:40:27,104
Speaker 2: has sisters. But that's like the complete oper like green gray.

961
00:40:27,224 --> 00:40:28,704
Speaker 2: Do you think that's why his wife married him?

962
00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:31,424
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well because when they first got together, his wife

963
00:40:31,464 --> 00:40:33,544
Speaker 1: was like, can I just meet your sisters like individually first?

964
00:40:33,584 --> 00:40:35,704
Speaker 1: Because I think that many sisters a lot in one go.

965
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,184
Speaker 1: But I do it is a green flag, like he

966
00:40:38,224 --> 00:40:40,624
Speaker 1: was across things, he'd watch Gilmore Girls. That's fine, Okay,

967
00:40:40,864 --> 00:40:42,184
Speaker 1: So what do guys meant to do? Go ahead and

968
00:40:42,224 --> 00:40:44,064
Speaker 1: find like a foster sister or something. I don't know

969
00:40:44,104 --> 00:40:47,944
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. You know, I can't take on

970
00:40:47,984 --> 00:40:50,584
Speaker 1: that mental load for you. I can't like make the

971
00:40:50,624 --> 00:40:52,904
Speaker 1: travel plans look out to the house and find your sister.

972
00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:57,704
Speaker 1: So Alex turns out in this movie to be a

973
00:40:57,744 --> 00:41:00,464
Speaker 1: bit of a pill and just because not only did

974
00:41:00,504 --> 00:41:02,904
Speaker 1: he marry her and then blame her for them being

975
00:41:02,904 --> 00:41:05,224
Speaker 1: in the situation, but he's then like, don't hit my

976
00:41:05,304 --> 00:41:07,824
Speaker 1: mom and his mind and also he tries to go

977
00:41:07,904 --> 00:41:09,344
Speaker 1: to the house and save it. I can't even do it.

978
00:41:09,384 --> 00:41:11,224
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the point of view? You had

979
00:41:11,264 --> 00:41:13,144
Speaker 1: one job, which was to get your wife out of

980
00:41:13,184 --> 00:41:15,624
Speaker 1: the house before she became a ritual sacrifice. And you know,

981
00:41:15,704 --> 00:41:17,384
Speaker 1: he didn't plan the wedding. He didn't help with that.

982
00:41:17,784 --> 00:41:19,864
Speaker 1: His one task was to make sure she didn't die,

983
00:41:19,984 --> 00:41:21,704
Speaker 1: and she had to do all the other wedding planning.

984
00:41:21,744 --> 00:41:23,744
Speaker 1: But then if he made sure she didn't die, then

985
00:41:23,784 --> 00:41:26,584
Speaker 1: he would die. Yeah, that's the correct thing to do. Yeah,

986
00:41:26,624 --> 00:41:29,424
Speaker 1: that's fair. I guess is let your entire family die.

987
00:41:29,664 --> 00:41:33,304
Speaker 1: Not married exactly, but bring someone into the family. I'm like,

988
00:41:33,344 --> 00:41:36,224
Speaker 1: stop bringing people into stop marrying people. You want to

989
00:41:36,304 --> 00:41:38,424
Speaker 1: kill them because keep playing them in I know. And

990
00:41:38,464 --> 00:41:40,504
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, women are such nags. She has had

991
00:41:40,544 --> 00:41:42,864
Speaker 1: to get married. Now she's brought this upon herself. So

992
00:41:42,904 --> 00:41:44,504
Speaker 1: by the end of the movie, At first, it's a

993
00:41:44,504 --> 00:41:46,424
Speaker 1: bit like, oh, it's so cute because he's protecting her,

994
00:41:46,464 --> 00:41:49,064
Speaker 1: and then you just get as a movie goes along,

995
00:41:49,304 --> 00:41:51,144
Speaker 1: and by the end of it, not only do you

996
00:41:51,424 --> 00:41:54,784
Speaker 1: not believe in dating anyone, you don't believe in marriage,

997
00:41:54,904 --> 00:41:57,224
Speaker 1: and you also don't believe in ever touching another man.

998
00:41:57,424 --> 00:42:00,384
Speaker 1: You don't believe in rich people, you don't don't believe

999
00:42:00,384 --> 00:42:02,944
Speaker 1: in people who are in didn't believe in wedding dresses.

1000
00:42:03,144 --> 00:42:04,664
Speaker 1: I'm actually on the side of the devil at the

1001
00:42:04,744 --> 00:42:06,784
Speaker 1: end of this movie because he pops up and he

1002
00:42:06,864 --> 00:42:10,144
Speaker 1: was just like, good job girl. Like, come on, I'm thinking,

1003
00:42:10,344 --> 00:42:12,784
Speaker 1: why is the devil the only honorable man in this movie?

1004
00:42:13,544 --> 00:42:15,184
Speaker 1: The Devil's like, I gave you the rules and you

1005
00:42:15,224 --> 00:42:17,744
Speaker 1: need to follow them. Well, actually, in this movie comes

1006
00:42:17,784 --> 00:42:20,584
Speaker 1: across super well because he follows the rules. He holds

1007
00:42:20,664 --> 00:42:22,984
Speaker 1: beside of the barget and he is really nice to Grace.

1008
00:42:22,984 --> 00:42:24,544
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, you did a good job girl.

1009
00:42:24,584 --> 00:42:26,744
Speaker 1: You can leave because that's the game. Thank you for

1010
00:42:26,824 --> 00:42:29,064
Speaker 1: all these souls. Yeah exactly. It's like you kill the

1011
00:42:29,064 --> 00:42:31,744
Speaker 1: whole family, Well done to you. And then it ends

1012
00:42:31,744 --> 00:42:34,784
Speaker 1: with this truly iconic shot. Again, guys, still watch the movie.

1013
00:42:34,824 --> 00:42:36,624
Speaker 1: We've left out so much. You can still watch it,

1014
00:42:36,824 --> 00:42:39,264
Speaker 1: but it ends with a truly iconic shot where the

1015
00:42:39,344 --> 00:42:42,144
Speaker 1: police and everything arrive the next morning, the house is destroyed.

1016
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:44,664
Speaker 1: Grace is sitting on the front step and covered in

1017
00:42:44,744 --> 00:42:47,344
Speaker 1: blood and dirt and human remains in her wedding dress,

1018
00:42:47,584 --> 00:42:50,464
Speaker 1: and they ask what happens and she just goes in laws.

1019
00:42:51,584 --> 00:42:53,424
Speaker 1: And I was like, that true, And I was like,

1020
00:42:53,464 --> 00:42:55,824
Speaker 1: why is this the best anti marriage movie I've ever seen?

1021
00:42:56,024 --> 00:42:56,264
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1022
00:42:56,304 --> 00:42:58,304
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about that movie. So don't

1023
00:42:58,304 --> 00:42:59,864
Speaker 1: watch on a first date, and don't watch it with

1024
00:42:59,904 --> 00:43:01,624
Speaker 1: the fiance or her husband, and don't watch it if

1025
00:43:01,624 --> 00:43:03,544
Speaker 1: you're scared, because it was a scary movie. Did you

1026
00:43:03,584 --> 00:43:05,744
Speaker 1: think it was a scary. Yeah, okay, well you and

1027
00:43:05,824 --> 00:43:09,104
Speaker 1: I have different tropes scary. It's a horror comedy. It's

1028
00:43:09,104 --> 00:43:10,784
Speaker 1: meant to be funny. Yeah, but you know you should

1029
00:43:10,784 --> 00:43:14,024
Speaker 1: watch who you should watch it with who you're in laws? Yeah,

1030
00:43:14,144 --> 00:43:16,264
Speaker 1: that'd be funny, especially if they're being kind of ya.

1031
00:43:16,744 --> 00:43:18,384
Speaker 1: You can say it without needing to say it. Just

1032
00:43:18,424 --> 00:43:20,024
Speaker 1: put the movie on and be like, this is a

1033
00:43:20,024 --> 00:43:23,784
Speaker 1: cautionary tale. You're like, this is actually based on true events.

1034
00:43:23,784 --> 00:43:26,624
Speaker 1: Press play, But yeah, it does make you never want

1035
00:43:26,664 --> 00:43:27,944
Speaker 1: to date, which is why you shouldn't watch on the

1036
00:43:27,984 --> 00:43:30,824
Speaker 1: first date, because you're sabotaging yourself. Great, I agree. So

1037
00:43:31,104 --> 00:43:34,024
Speaker 1: hopefully now we've deterred anyone from dating ever again. And

1038
00:43:35,144 --> 00:43:36,744
Speaker 1: were you set out to do No, we didn't mean

1039
00:43:36,744 --> 00:43:38,584
Speaker 1: to do with this is actually meant to be helpful episodes.

1040
00:43:39,224 --> 00:43:41,464
Speaker 1: I'm leaving this episode angry at all men me too.

1041
00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:45,144
Speaker 1: Oh no, what's a nice movie about men. We'll go

1042
00:43:45,224 --> 00:43:48,624
Speaker 1: back to you. We'll think on that, think on that,

1043
00:43:48,864 --> 00:43:50,824
Speaker 1: and we'll come back to you. But just yeah, just

1044
00:43:50,864 --> 00:43:53,544
Speaker 1: maybe eleven, that's a nice movie about men.

1045
00:43:53,664 --> 00:43:59,064
Speaker 2: Expendables, Oh, about men working together to defeat terrorism or whatever.

1046
00:43:59,104 --> 00:44:01,984
Speaker 1: Sure that sounds great. Men who have a hobby are

1047
00:44:02,144 --> 00:44:04,704
Speaker 1: super helpful. Yes, so that's what I guess. Opens all

1048
00:44:04,704 --> 00:44:06,424
Speaker 1: over it and expendables are both just really at the

1049
00:44:06,504 --> 00:44:07,224
Speaker 1: end of the day.

1050
00:44:07,224 --> 00:44:10,624
Speaker 2: Men who have hobbies, it makes us money. Yeah, that's

1051
00:44:10,664 --> 00:44:11,904
Speaker 2: that's time at the end of the day, and give

1052
00:44:11,944 --> 00:44:13,544
Speaker 2: us all your money. That that's what you should watch

1053
00:44:13,544 --> 00:44:15,664
Speaker 2: on a first date. Sort of set the tone of where.

1054
00:44:15,464 --> 00:44:19,384
Speaker 1: You want great first yep, because George Clooney famously treads

1055
00:44:19,464 --> 00:44:22,464
Speaker 1: Julie Roberts super well in that movie, as do the

1056
00:44:22,464 --> 00:44:26,904
Speaker 1: rest of the men. That's terrible dating advice, Emily. Well,

1057
00:44:26,944 --> 00:44:30,104
Speaker 1: we hope you've enjoyed this instructional episode of the Spill.

1058
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Speaker 1: Please bookmark it for next time you're going on a

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Speaker 1: first date and let.

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Speaker 2: Us know what first date movies you've watched that you've

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Speaker 2: deeply regretted.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I wanted us so many.

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Speaker 2: You can always DM us at the Spill podcast, and

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Speaker 2: don't forget to give us a rating and review on

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Speaker 2: whichever podcast app you're listening to us on. The Bill

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Speaker 2: is produced by Manitius Wirn, sound production by Scotstranning and.

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Speaker 1: We will see you on Monday. Bye bye,