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Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm on the Mere podcast. Friends.

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Speaker 2: It was a great week this week because I finally

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Speaker 2: got my hands on the jam you did?

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Speaker 3: Can you please tell me out loud as how you

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Speaker 3: got your hands on it? Because it was not a

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Speaker 3: pr package from Megan Duchess of No.

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Speaker 1: Funnily enough, we're not on Meghan's list.

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Speaker 4: No, maybe we talk about her a little too much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The person who sent me the jam, Megan's Jam, in

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Speaker 2: case you're wondering, is an amazing out louder called Erica,

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Speaker 2: and she lives in Maine, in America. The thing is

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Speaker 2: is Meg's does not at this point ship internationally, which

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Speaker 2: seems selfish. Yeah rude, Yeah, very rude, because I want

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Speaker 2: the rose one of the things. Anyway, Erica packaged a

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Speaker 2: subsom Jam America and sent it over and Jesse has

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Speaker 2: I did subject Jesse to a taste test. I came

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Speaker 2: to find you at your desk game you've disappeared.

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Speaker 4: I left her, but I.

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Speaker 5: Will be Monday. A long way.

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here, but I will chase you down.

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Speaker 2: Because all the out louders wanted to know when I

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Speaker 2: post about it is what's it like? What's it like,

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Speaker 2: what's it like? There are two really important things you

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Speaker 2: need to know about Jam. It's not jam, I deserve.

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Speaker 2: It's not even preserve, it's spread Raspberry different.

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Speaker 4: She's got something wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, the story goes that she says the reason it

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Speaker 2: can't be called jam is because it is a bit

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Speaker 2: lower and sugar than normal jam. It's pretty sweet to me,

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Speaker 2: because jam needs a very high sugar content to be

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Speaker 2: able to call itself jam apparently, so that's why she

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Speaker 2: calls it spread. But also it's why it's running. You

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people said when I put it

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Speaker 2: on the toast, They're like, it's running. It's not as

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Speaker 2: jammy as jam, which is sticky. Anyway, I'm into it.

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Speaker 5: You're more of a jam connoissor.

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Speaker 2: I am Brent Is, the award winning scone maker of

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Speaker 2: the South Coast.

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Speaker 5: Remember, so what would you give it out a tent?

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Speaker 2: Look, I haven't tried the Raspberry yet because I'm taking

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Speaker 2: it home. I'm like, I can't open it until I

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Speaker 2: get it's a bit selfish closer center.

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Speaker 1: To all of us. Erica knew that it was important

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 2: I'll report back on the Raspberry when I've spread it

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Speaker 2: on but how about the strawberry.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was, But what would you give it

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Speaker 5: out of ten? Oh? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Eight? Oh okay, that's pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: The runniness marks it down a tiny bit. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that Erica sent us that was very important with

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Speaker 2: the flower.

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Speaker 5: Sprinkles, which are tasteless, and.

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Speaker 1: We are now going to put those on everything.

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Speaker 5: They're fun, but they got stuck in your tasted and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come up behind you when you're having

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Speaker 2: your tye salad or your chicken sandwich and I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to do a little light Mega's sprinkle, Sprinkle.

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Speaker 4: But look, it's been a very happy week for me.

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Speaker 4: You do seem really happy.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud.

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Speaker 2: It's what women are actually talking about on Friday, the

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth of November, and holy.

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Speaker 1: Shit, in the twenty eighth of November. I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm.

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Speaker 5: M Burnham, I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And what's on our agenda for today? Women have never

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Speaker 2: been hornier? No context, that's all.

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Speaker 3: I speaking of the gossip story of the year and

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Speaker 3: the sex term that I wish I did not know

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Speaker 2: And then I googled it went w So in case

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Speaker 2: you're worried that this show is going to be very

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Speaker 1: It is like the scandal of the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we also have a fair few recos to get

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Speaker 4: through today. I put in so much work into my record,

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Speaker 1: Open minds.

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Speaker 4: But first, but first, Wicked for good? Who is currently

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Speaker 1: The first one three hours of my life, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Like? Is it really shorter than the first one? By

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Speaker 1: How long is that? Four hours? Like five in a bit?

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Speaker 5: Have you seen it?

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Speaker 4: I have seen it. I went to the Sydney premier.

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Speaker 4: Was very very good. It was kind of just like

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Speaker 4: what they were going to They filmed it back to back.

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Speaker 4: It's like the second half of the musical basically.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to enjoy that. I think I

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Speaker 4: It's really nice. It's basically about I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: don't know Wicked, yes you do. It's like the Wizard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is my don't mean to be

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Speaker 2: But like, I found the first movie too long because

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Speaker 4: Have you watched the musical good Witch goes Bad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you're thinking, okay, so you're like a Wizard

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Speaker 4: of Us purists, like people who love Wicked go oh,

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Speaker 4: the Wizard of Us was propaganda. Yeah, and this is

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Speaker 4: the true story.

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Speaker 4: So it's about Alphaba, who's like the Wicked Witch, and

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Speaker 4: They're very very close friends.

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Speaker 1: But me and Jesse I like to hold her nails

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Speaker 4: So NPR decided to ask people what they thought about

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Speaker 4: the Wicked movies, and they decided to ask people who's

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Speaker 4: Which are other witches? Right? They interviewed witches no like

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Speaker 3: And NPR did say they're self described witches.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I was. They identify They're.

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Speaker 1: Not walking down the street going you look like a witch?

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Speaker 4: Tell me what you think.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like that.

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Speaker 4: So they interviewed one witch. Her name is Mama Rainbow

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Speaker 2: Heyo, is anything regular about ARIANA grand.

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Speaker 4: She said she hates that Wicked has contributed to what

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Speaker 2: No one likes it when everyone starts liking their thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just.

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Speaker 2: Like I was say, first, I like their old stuff.

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Speaker 2: Don't you go jumping on the bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that ping.

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Speaker 3: I liked that comment too because it then explicitly the

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Speaker 3: And I was like, don't you hate the over consumption

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Speaker 5: Don't you hate it? We're all profiting.

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Speaker 4: I think they want us to stay in our lane

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, but we can't be witches. They just want

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Speaker 2: It's what about crystals and candles and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: What about saging things? Am I getting too witchy? Am

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Speaker 5: It's cultural appropriation.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you should tell them you're doing that.

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Speaker 3: No, private, Look, I'm here today in the service of gossip. Hurrah. Right, Finally,

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Speaker 3: Pair is a story She's admitted it unfolding in the US.

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Speaker 3: It involves a journalist named Olivia Nuzzi, her former fiance

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of z's in this story. Robert F.

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Speaker 1: It's a different category, different category.

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Speaker 3: It involves New York magazine, it involves sub stack, and

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Speaker 5: And got a ride shock. I'm still not sure if.

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Speaker 3: I'm legally I allowed to say it on this podcast,

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Speaker 5: To be clear, none of us are here for the politics. No, No,

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Speaker 5: we don't want to know about politics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the ethics are questionable. Yeah, I'm sure you're

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Speaker 4: We want to politics because then you've got the wrong

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Speaker 1: I need to call up a Melia.

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Speaker 3: Can we all agree that we're going to hold hands

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Speaker 3: and talk about the sex gossip?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 5: All, Okay, that's what I'm here for.

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Speaker 3: So. Olivianzi is thirty two and she has worked for

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Speaker 3: a bunch of outlets. She's like one of those journalists

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Speaker 3: and she worked for lots of very impressive publications.

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Speaker 2: I read a profile she did of Trump once where

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Speaker 2: it starts with a very florid description of his ear,

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Speaker 2: you know, a beautiful pink rose blah blah blah. She's

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Speaker 2: like a very literary kind.

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Speaker 3: Of journalist exactly, and she kind of rose to fame.

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Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen, she's on the presidential trail and she, you know,

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two, she meets a man named Ryan Lizza, and Ryan

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Speaker 3: Lizza is also like a young, very successful journalist who's

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Speaker 3: worked in a lot of newsrooms. Right play romance, yes,

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Speaker 3: and they're like a real power couple. They get this book.

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Speaker 2: Looking particularly Olivia, she's really like stereotypically good looking, blonde, skinny, white, Like.

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Speaker 5: They're just this couple everyone's kind of obsessed with.

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Speaker 4: So what I'm hearing is I need to find a

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Speaker 4: journalist husband.

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Speaker 5: It's like if you found so.

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Speaker 1: I read it.

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Speaker 2: Then obviously the Ryan Liza of it all, which is

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Speaker 2: And so it's like, I think this is the big

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Speaker 3: Well, Lisa says she became obsessed with him, even he

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Speaker 2: But what Nuzzi seems to be saying is that obsession

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Speaker 4: Also, like, how guys the obsession, it's like I just

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Speaker 5: You know, so obsessed with me.

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Speaker 2: But I think the thing is there is that everybody's

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Speaker 5: But Lisa says that seems improbable. He thinks that something

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Speaker 1: She was working with Nuzzy at the New York magazine and.

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Speaker 2: They were mates, but she was the one who dobbed

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Speaker 3: Because the thing is too like RFK Jr. Is a

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Speaker 4: Texting him about to chill out a little.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you think, if these are the journalists

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Speaker 4: just I was just like, oh, I feel so bad

442
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Speaker 4: for him, But I also don't really care like what

443
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Speaker 4: his interpretation of it.

444
00:20:06,394 --> 00:20:10,194
Speaker 3: So we don't care about his emotions. But any details welcome.

445
00:20:10,074 --> 00:20:12,514
Speaker 4: Any detail. So when like his substack, like, I would

446
00:20:12,514 --> 00:20:14,514
Speaker 4: read that whole thing absolutely because like I just want

447
00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,274
Speaker 4: to know about the whole situation. Yes, whether that's from

448
00:20:17,314 --> 00:20:19,674
Speaker 4: your point of view or a point of view exactly,

449
00:20:19,754 --> 00:20:21,874
Speaker 4: but I don't. I hope it feels good about doing it,

450
00:20:22,034 --> 00:20:26,194
Speaker 4: then why not for it? But also like his job.

451
00:20:26,154 --> 00:20:28,914
Speaker 2: Just to add a little muckiness to him, he was

452
00:20:28,954 --> 00:20:31,474
Speaker 2: dismissed from his job before all this in twenty seventeen

453
00:20:31,514 --> 00:20:34,513
Speaker 2: for sexual misconduct, which he always says is nothing like.

454
00:20:34,634 --> 00:20:37,114
Speaker 2: It was the height of the you know, the sort

455
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Speaker 2: of me tooonness of it all, and nobody ever really

456
00:20:39,474 --> 00:20:41,434
Speaker 2: explained what he'd done wrong. But so there's a little

457
00:20:41,434 --> 00:20:44,714
Speaker 2: cloud over him. So like an interpretation of this is that,

458
00:20:45,114 --> 00:20:48,114
Speaker 2: you know, he's a slightly problematic dude. He was in

459
00:20:48,154 --> 00:20:52,634
Speaker 2: this very high profile relationship with this beautiful, very ambitious

460
00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:55,674
Speaker 2: young woman who seemed to have a magical ability to

461
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Speaker 2: get powerful men to tell us stories, and then it

462
00:20:58,834 --> 00:21:01,634
Speaker 2: turns out that she was either sleeping or just having

463
00:21:01,674 --> 00:21:05,154
Speaker 2: lots of hot digital I'm not going to say some

464
00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:09,314
Speaker 2: of the words with them. And like he's humiliated, that's

465
00:21:09,354 --> 00:21:11,634
Speaker 2: the take, right, Yeah, as I said, the cook old,

466
00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:14,474
Speaker 2: he's humiliated, So he's like right, And also her book's

467
00:21:14,514 --> 00:21:16,194
Speaker 2: going to come out, presumably it's going to sell a lot.

468
00:21:16,234 --> 00:21:18,994
Speaker 2: She's just been hired as Vanity Fairs West Coast correspondent.

469
00:21:19,394 --> 00:21:21,994
Speaker 4: They've done this whole big profile where they describers.

470
00:21:21,474 --> 00:21:25,074
Speaker 2: Like Lana del Rey, like driving her white convertible around

471
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Speaker 2: the lah.

472
00:21:25,594 --> 00:21:27,114
Speaker 4: She's turned us into a girl boss moment.

473
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Speaker 2: She has turned this into a massive girl Boss moment.

474
00:21:31,274 --> 00:21:32,034
Speaker 1: Out loud As.

475
00:21:31,954 --> 00:21:35,274
Speaker 2: In a moment and somehow not unrelated into that boyfriends

476
00:21:35,314 --> 00:21:38,914
Speaker 2: and why women are so very horny right now?

477
00:21:40,754 --> 00:21:43,114
Speaker 4: How loud As, we have a listener dilemma that we

478
00:21:43,194 --> 00:21:46,394
Speaker 4: need your collective wisdom to help us and our partners

479
00:21:46,594 --> 00:21:50,073
Speaker 4: UI solve it. So here is our problem from our listener.

480
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Speaker 4: For the past twenty eight years, Christmas has been a

481
00:21:53,234 --> 00:21:56,794
Speaker 4: predictable ritual. My parents' host, my siblings and I arrive

482
00:21:56,834 --> 00:21:59,114
Speaker 4: with our partners and kids, and the day is a

483
00:21:59,154 --> 00:22:02,794
Speaker 4: whirl of noise, food, and familiar chaos. But this year

484
00:22:02,874 --> 00:22:06,834
Speaker 4: everything is different. My parents finalize their divorce in July.

485
00:22:07,554 --> 00:22:10,714
Speaker 4: Now instead of one home, there are two. We're not

486
00:22:10,754 --> 00:22:13,154
Speaker 4: even in December yet, and my mom has already told

487
00:22:13,154 --> 00:22:15,834
Speaker 4: me she can't bear the idea of waking up alone

488
00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:18,954
Speaker 4: on Christmas morning. My dad, who moved into a small

489
00:22:18,994 --> 00:22:22,154
Speaker 4: place across town, texted me last week saying he's planning

490
00:22:22,194 --> 00:22:24,994
Speaker 4: to make a prime rare dinner and hopes I'll be there.

491
00:22:25,034 --> 00:22:28,994
Speaker 4: Like always, They both assume I'll choose them. My sister

492
00:22:29,074 --> 00:22:31,674
Speaker 4: and her family are spending the day with Mum, and

493
00:22:31,954 --> 00:22:34,994
Speaker 4: my brother is fleeing to his in laws interstate. But

494
00:22:35,074 --> 00:22:37,074
Speaker 4: I'm the one who lives closest, and I have the

495
00:22:37,154 --> 00:22:40,194
Speaker 4: youngest kids, and somehow I become the emotional buffer of

496
00:22:40,234 --> 00:22:43,434
Speaker 4: the family. Mom has cried on the phone twice already.

497
00:22:43,794 --> 00:22:46,314
Speaker 4: My dad keeps telling me he understands if I can't come,

498
00:22:46,394 --> 00:22:48,194
Speaker 4: but the sadness in his voice makes it clear that

499
00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:51,234
Speaker 4: he doesn't really understand. My partner says that we should

500
00:22:51,234 --> 00:22:53,313
Speaker 4: make our own plans this year and step out of

501
00:22:53,314 --> 00:22:56,434
Speaker 4: the tugger wall. It sounds appealing, but I would also

502
00:22:56,474 --> 00:22:59,554
Speaker 4: feel so guilty. My kids just want Christmas the way

503
00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:01,594
Speaker 4: it used to be, and I know that's not happening.

504
00:23:01,874 --> 00:23:04,674
Speaker 4: No matter what I choose to do, someone will be hurt.

505
00:23:04,834 --> 00:23:08,794
Speaker 4: So the question is what do you do next? Oh?

506
00:23:08,874 --> 00:23:12,634
Speaker 2: I have massive, big feels for our listener because it's

507
00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:15,994
Speaker 2: interesting that we always talk about how difficult divorce Christmas

508
00:23:16,074 --> 00:23:19,114
Speaker 2: is for kids, but our listener is an adult with

509
00:23:19,234 --> 00:23:22,354
Speaker 2: her own kids, and it's really difficult for her too.

510
00:23:23,514 --> 00:23:25,914
Speaker 2: I think, go on, Jesse, what do you think I was.

511
00:23:25,834 --> 00:23:26,354
Speaker 4: Going to say?

512
00:23:26,434 --> 00:23:28,474
Speaker 3: I don't think you can opt out of a tug

513
00:23:28,514 --> 00:23:30,874
Speaker 3: of war this year. I reckon, it's too early.

514
00:23:30,994 --> 00:23:32,554
Speaker 4: I think this is out of all years I need.

515
00:23:32,874 --> 00:23:36,634
Speaker 3: Yeah, if this were me, I would have my mum

516
00:23:36,834 --> 00:23:38,754
Speaker 3: stay over the night before, even if she sleeps on

517
00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:40,874
Speaker 3: the couch or something, just so that she wakes up

518
00:23:40,914 --> 00:23:43,553
Speaker 3: on Christmas. This is something with so many of my

519
00:23:43,634 --> 00:23:46,514
Speaker 3: friends with single mums. They go on Christmas. I don't

520
00:23:46,514 --> 00:23:48,354
Speaker 3: want her to wake up on her own, so she

521
00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:51,273
Speaker 3: either sleeps over or you go over there early, just

522
00:23:51,314 --> 00:23:54,394
Speaker 3: so that you get that morning that's really special. And

523
00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:56,513
Speaker 3: then I think that you make time to go and

524
00:23:56,554 --> 00:23:59,394
Speaker 3: see your dad in the evening, like it is going

525
00:23:59,474 --> 00:24:01,553
Speaker 3: to be a bit jumping all over the place. And

526
00:24:01,594 --> 00:24:03,553
Speaker 3: I know what she's saying about wanting the kids to

527
00:24:03,594 --> 00:24:05,714
Speaker 3: have the perfect day, but I think kids also get

528
00:24:05,754 --> 00:24:08,434
Speaker 3: to see that sometimes Christmas looks a bit different.

529
00:24:08,594 --> 00:24:11,634
Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree, I think this year you do

530
00:24:11,794 --> 00:24:14,834
Speaker 2: have to probably split it in two. I understand it's

531
00:24:14,874 --> 00:24:17,033
Speaker 2: going to be real punished because little kids in a

532
00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:19,513
Speaker 2: little apartment with your dad having a rib dinner Like

533
00:24:19,594 --> 00:24:22,194
Speaker 2: that's hard, you know what I mean? Like taking little

534
00:24:22,274 --> 00:24:24,914
Speaker 2: Christmas excited kids to a place they're not familiar with.

535
00:24:25,154 --> 00:24:27,674
Speaker 2: It's just one present, Yeah, they do, And so I

536
00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:29,954
Speaker 2: would make sure there were presents for them there so

537
00:24:29,994 --> 00:24:32,354
Speaker 2: that they're excited about that. And look, if it isn't perfect,

538
00:24:32,354 --> 00:24:34,554
Speaker 2: then you learn and next year it's something different. One

539
00:24:34,554 --> 00:24:36,394
Speaker 2: thing you know as you get older is Christmases come

540
00:24:36,394 --> 00:24:38,514
Speaker 2: around quicker and quicker, and if you're lucky, you.

541
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Speaker 1: Get lots of goes at it.

542
00:24:39,514 --> 00:24:40,154
Speaker 5: What do you reckon?

543
00:24:40,274 --> 00:24:42,394
Speaker 4: D I had the same as you like, morning with

544
00:24:42,554 --> 00:24:46,194
Speaker 4: Mum because she wants the morning, late afternoon, evening with

545
00:24:46,314 --> 00:24:48,273
Speaker 4: Dad because he's made primary and you can't skip that.

546
00:24:48,594 --> 00:24:51,234
Speaker 4: I remember when I was younger, we had a lot

547
00:24:51,274 --> 00:24:53,914
Speaker 4: because we're Catholic, so we have our family was a

548
00:24:53,954 --> 00:24:57,154
Speaker 4: family that drove to every other family just to see them,

549
00:24:57,194 --> 00:24:59,314
Speaker 4: and everyone else sta'd kind of stay put. So we'd

550
00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:01,354
Speaker 4: have breakfast at this house, lunch at this house, tea

551
00:25:01,394 --> 00:25:03,634
Speaker 4: at this house, dinner at this house. And all I

552
00:25:03,834 --> 00:25:05,714
Speaker 4: wanted was just present. So I was kind of just like,

553
00:25:06,074 --> 00:25:06,674
Speaker 4: it's fine.

554
00:25:06,514 --> 00:25:10,513
Speaker 1: As long as and you give me something, I'll be happy.

555
00:25:10,594 --> 00:25:13,033
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fine. And then as I got older, obviously,

556
00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:14,834
Speaker 4: I was like, I just really want to just stay

557
00:25:14,874 --> 00:25:16,834
Speaker 4: at home. Yeah, dad, but I feel like when you're

558
00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:18,234
Speaker 4: a kid, you kind of just get around it.

559
00:25:18,394 --> 00:25:18,594
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:25:18,674 --> 00:25:21,114
Speaker 5: If there's chocolate gifts, yeah easy, I know.

561
00:25:21,194 --> 00:25:22,714
Speaker 1: But it's going to be an emotional Christmas.

562
00:25:22,754 --> 00:25:25,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, So big, big love to you and out loud

563
00:25:25,594 --> 00:25:28,354
Speaker 2: as what would you do next? Share your thoughts in

564
00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:30,754
Speaker 2: the Mama Mia out loud Facebook group and if you

565
00:25:30,794 --> 00:25:33,034
Speaker 2: have a dilemma, send it to us at out loud

566
00:25:33,074 --> 00:25:34,833
Speaker 2: at mamamea dot com dot au.

567
00:25:34,874 --> 00:25:36,074
Speaker 1: We would love to help you.

568
00:25:37,074 --> 00:25:39,674
Speaker 2: So I feel like Olivia Nuzzi has set the table

569
00:25:39,874 --> 00:25:43,914
Speaker 2: for this next conversation right last week, friends, did you

570
00:25:44,034 --> 00:25:46,714
Speaker 2: see the Vanity Fair cover with all the hot men

571
00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:46,954
Speaker 2: on it?

572
00:25:47,074 --> 00:25:49,234
Speaker 4: Oh? Did I see it? This is how I woke

573
00:25:49,314 --> 00:25:50,714
Speaker 4: up in the morning, so as I say, and then

574
00:25:50,754 --> 00:25:52,274
Speaker 4: I looked at my phone and I went back to sleep,

575
00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:54,954
Speaker 4: and I went, wait a minute, and then I immediately

576
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:57,234
Speaker 4: read every single profile.

577
00:25:57,194 --> 00:26:00,354
Speaker 2: Because it was Vanity Fairs, Hollywood issued. They do it

578
00:26:00,354 --> 00:26:02,274
Speaker 2: once a year. They've done it since nineteen ninety five.

579
00:26:02,274 --> 00:26:04,313
Speaker 2: It's a big deal. It's like time via they handpick

580
00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:04,914
Speaker 2: who the big.

581
00:26:04,754 --> 00:26:07,394
Speaker 4: Stars in Hollywood are They usually do the oscar like

582
00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:08,474
Speaker 4: people who are.

583
00:26:08,354 --> 00:26:09,994
Speaker 2: Going to be in the Oscars, people who are hot

584
00:26:10,074 --> 00:26:12,874
Speaker 2: up and comers. I remember I bought the first one

585
00:26:12,914 --> 00:26:15,114
Speaker 2: ever in ninety ninety five. I make Gwinnifers on it.

586
00:26:15,554 --> 00:26:16,553
Speaker 2: Everyone was like, who's that?

587
00:26:18,554 --> 00:26:21,033
Speaker 1: Just you wait, just you wait the thing she's going

588
00:26:21,114 --> 00:26:21,434
Speaker 1: to do.

589
00:26:22,594 --> 00:26:25,394
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do a single sex one, and this year

590
00:26:25,914 --> 00:26:27,793
Speaker 2: there's it's called Let's Hear It for the boys.

591
00:26:27,874 --> 00:26:29,394
Speaker 1: Our new class of leading men.

592
00:26:30,234 --> 00:26:36,354
Speaker 2: Austin Butler, Paul Muscal Michael b Jordan Big Yes, Glenn

593
00:26:36,514 --> 00:26:39,514
Speaker 2: pa I love him asap?

594
00:26:39,594 --> 00:26:40,914
Speaker 1: Rocky is he in movies now?

595
00:26:44,074 --> 00:26:45,794
Speaker 4: So very good looking?

596
00:26:45,994 --> 00:26:52,114
Speaker 2: Jeremy Allen White, Lake Stanfield, Rizamed Jonathan Bailey, Yes, and

597
00:26:52,234 --> 00:26:53,714
Speaker 2: EM's boyfriend Callum.

598
00:26:54,514 --> 00:26:56,073
Speaker 1: That's the one who loves Julie.

599
00:26:56,434 --> 00:26:58,513
Speaker 5: Wasn't my crush?

600
00:26:58,634 --> 00:26:59,074
Speaker 1: Was there too?

601
00:26:59,274 --> 00:27:00,754
Speaker 5: Harry Dickinson? Was he there?

602
00:27:00,834 --> 00:27:01,594
Speaker 4: Harris Dickinson?

603
00:27:04,314 --> 00:27:08,754
Speaker 2: Is there? Is Andrew gel He's a little bit older

604
00:27:08,834 --> 00:27:10,994
Speaker 2: than those guys. I think you just managed to squeeze

605
00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:14,474
Speaker 2: into the young thing. I do love him anyway. This

606
00:27:14,554 --> 00:27:16,634
Speaker 2: is the thing they do every year, but this year's

607
00:27:16,714 --> 00:27:20,554
Speaker 2: crop of young men or hot men seemed exceptionally hot

608
00:27:20,594 --> 00:27:25,514
Speaker 2: and the response was kind of hysterical, like the obsessive

609
00:27:25,714 --> 00:27:28,793
Speaker 2: memes every way you looked at because it wasn't that

610
00:27:28,874 --> 00:27:31,313
Speaker 2: all of the shots were like shirtless and stuff. There

611
00:27:31,354 --> 00:27:33,354
Speaker 2: was a bit of romping in the ocean going on

612
00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:35,394
Speaker 2: and running around on a beach in suits.

613
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:37,674
Speaker 4: Wearing neon colored pants. Yes, but it.

614
00:27:37,634 --> 00:27:42,434
Speaker 2: Was seen as being intensely sexy. And this came obviously

615
00:27:42,514 --> 00:27:44,994
Speaker 2: just a few weeks after People's Sexiest Man Alive, which

616
00:27:45,074 --> 00:27:48,314
Speaker 2: is Jonathan Bailey, and the almost hysterical response to that.

617
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:49,994
Speaker 3: We didn't even talk about it on the show because

618
00:27:49,994 --> 00:27:53,994
Speaker 3: our response was tick correct, Yes, exactly, absolutely, you're absolutely right.

619
00:27:54,034 --> 00:27:56,714
Speaker 5: And of course Jonathan Bailey is a gay man, right.

620
00:27:56,714 --> 00:27:57,714
Speaker 1: Yep, he's a gay man.

621
00:27:57,834 --> 00:27:58,474
Speaker 4: Yeah.

622
00:27:58,514 --> 00:28:01,954
Speaker 2: And it feels to me like there is a level

623
00:28:01,994 --> 00:28:05,474
Speaker 2: of hysteria and like rip your clothes off and this

624
00:28:05,554 --> 00:28:09,074
Speaker 2: is my dream and all those things that is louder

625
00:28:09,114 --> 00:28:13,194
Speaker 2: than it's been from the women's and I mean it's

626
00:28:13,234 --> 00:28:15,914
Speaker 2: nothing new, I guess, you know, We've always had pop

627
00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:18,674
Speaker 2: star heart throbs, and we've had Brad Pitt and Theilmer

628
00:28:18,674 --> 00:28:21,034
Speaker 2: and Luise, and we've had K pop guys who drive

629
00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:22,954
Speaker 2: all the young girls crazy and stuff.

630
00:28:22,874 --> 00:28:23,313
Speaker 4: Not like this.

631
00:28:23,394 --> 00:28:24,794
Speaker 5: We're very humpy.

632
00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:25,314
Speaker 4: We are.

633
00:28:26,114 --> 00:28:28,634
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about like Robert Irwin on Dancing with the

634
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:33,034
Speaker 2: Stars and how those videos go around, and I feel

635
00:28:33,074 --> 00:28:38,394
Speaker 2: like it's kind of mainstreaming openly lusting about internet boyfriends.

636
00:28:38,434 --> 00:28:40,634
Speaker 1: Am I right that the volume has gone up about this?

637
00:28:40,834 --> 00:28:41,634
Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

638
00:28:41,714 --> 00:28:41,874
Speaker 1: Right?

639
00:28:41,874 --> 00:28:44,714
Speaker 4: Can I read aud some comments I've seen? Please on this?

640
00:28:44,834 --> 00:28:45,674
Speaker 4: Sho okay?

641
00:28:46,634 --> 00:28:46,834
Speaker 2: Raw?

642
00:28:47,074 --> 00:28:51,194
Speaker 4: Next question? Can you just reject me so I can

643
00:28:51,234 --> 00:28:54,114
Speaker 4: move on? And flash us? Who said that?

644
00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:56,354
Speaker 1: Flash us?

645
00:28:56,714 --> 00:28:59,634
Speaker 3: I think that also you put this into like the

646
00:28:59,674 --> 00:29:02,754
Speaker 3: cultural context of smart and how they're the.

647
00:29:02,714 --> 00:29:03,474
Speaker 5: Books that are selling.

648
00:29:03,554 --> 00:29:03,914
Speaker 1: Yes.

649
00:29:03,994 --> 00:29:06,394
Speaker 3: Right, we have our book club coming up where we

650
00:29:06,474 --> 00:29:09,834
Speaker 3: talk all about or Fours by Miranda July, which is

651
00:29:09,834 --> 00:29:11,034
Speaker 3: a sexy midlifebook.

652
00:29:11,714 --> 00:29:13,394
Speaker 5: It is the sex toy Boom.

653
00:29:13,754 --> 00:29:19,594
Speaker 3: It is Perry slash menopausal women going give me some testosterone.

654
00:29:19,634 --> 00:29:21,594
Speaker 3: I still have a sex drive. I'm still a sexual

655
00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:25,034
Speaker 3: being all that kind of stuff. And there's this female

656
00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:29,194
Speaker 3: sort of thirstiness that we're becoming more and more comfortable with.

657
00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:31,434
Speaker 3: And what I can't work out is if women have

658
00:29:31,714 --> 00:29:35,234
Speaker 3: always been like this but now it's allowed, or if

659
00:29:35,634 --> 00:29:39,314
Speaker 3: our sexual desire is kind of culturally constructed and so

660
00:29:39,354 --> 00:29:42,594
Speaker 3: we're all kind of going, oh, maybe our desires are

661
00:29:42,634 --> 00:29:45,474
Speaker 3: starting to change. And also it used to be the

662
00:29:45,594 --> 00:29:51,074
Speaker 3: kind of marvel hunk was the vision of what women wanted.

663
00:29:51,514 --> 00:29:53,714
Speaker 3: But now it's like they're listening and it's like that

664
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:56,394
Speaker 3: big body builder type is in everyone's time. Some of us,

665
00:29:56,514 --> 00:29:59,114
Speaker 3: like a Paul mescal will tear down his cheek.

666
00:29:59,234 --> 00:30:03,154
Speaker 4: I think it's completely directed to the men, and I

667
00:30:03,154 --> 00:30:06,754
Speaker 4: think this has come from the idea that men don't

668
00:30:06,794 --> 00:30:09,794
Speaker 4: get implemented enough, and women see that and they're like, Okay,

669
00:30:09,794 --> 00:30:12,234
Speaker 4: we'll compliment you, but only if you do the right thing.

670
00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:14,754
Speaker 4: Because I remember we talked about an Anne Helen Peterson

671
00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:18,594
Speaker 4: substacle while ago on the men who like women, Yes,

672
00:30:18,674 --> 00:30:20,674
Speaker 4: every man in this issue like women.

673
00:30:20,914 --> 00:30:24,274
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, problematic brain, problematic guy cover.

674
00:30:24,554 --> 00:30:27,554
Speaker 3: They don't treat you well, and I'm into that, and

675
00:30:27,554 --> 00:30:30,874
Speaker 3: we're loudly thirsting over them to tell other men, like,

676
00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:32,474
Speaker 3: this is exactly what we want.

677
00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:34,674
Speaker 4: It's not just about being hot. You have to have

678
00:30:34,754 --> 00:30:35,314
Speaker 4: everything else.

679
00:30:35,354 --> 00:30:37,994
Speaker 2: So when you're saying that this is directed at men,

680
00:30:38,154 --> 00:30:43,234
Speaker 2: you mean like, literally, we are validating and pedestaling these

681
00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:46,074
Speaker 2: guys for the benefit of all the average dudes that

682
00:30:46,114 --> 00:30:48,714
Speaker 2: you like swiping on apps kind of thing, going.

683
00:30:48,554 --> 00:30:48,994
Speaker 1: This is it?

684
00:30:49,554 --> 00:30:49,954
Speaker 4: Okay?

685
00:30:49,994 --> 00:30:52,114
Speaker 2: But the problem with that, right, because I love that

686
00:30:52,194 --> 00:30:55,154
Speaker 2: interpretation now and I reckon you're right, is like women

687
00:30:55,194 --> 00:30:57,834
Speaker 2: have always been objectified like this. You know, think about

688
00:30:57,874 --> 00:30:59,434
Speaker 2: how many times you see a woman on the cover

689
00:30:59,474 --> 00:31:01,794
Speaker 2: of a magazine and she's not wearing any clothes, a

690
00:31:01,874 --> 00:31:04,354
Speaker 2: gaggle of women not wearing any clothes, the Sydney Swing

691
00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:04,994
Speaker 2: Eve or whatever.

692
00:31:05,434 --> 00:31:07,394
Speaker 1: And we don't like that. We don't like that.

693
00:31:07,514 --> 00:31:09,914
Speaker 2: We've discussed a lot the messages out there that that

694
00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:11,674
Speaker 2: kind of objectification is a bit ick.

695
00:31:11,794 --> 00:31:14,754
Speaker 1: We don't really want to hear guys like going, ooh,

696
00:31:14,954 --> 00:31:17,354
Speaker 1: she's so hot, Like, we don't really like that.

697
00:31:17,994 --> 00:31:20,554
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because one of the best selling books

698
00:31:20,554 --> 00:31:23,954
Speaker 2: in the world right now is Scott Galloway's book about Notes.

699
00:31:23,674 --> 00:31:24,354
Speaker 1: On Being a Man.

700
00:31:24,754 --> 00:31:27,234
Speaker 2: You know, there's problems with that whatever, but one of

701
00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:30,834
Speaker 2: his arguments in that book is that we've demonized male horniness.

702
00:31:30,834 --> 00:31:34,594
Speaker 2: We've made it something dangerous into something to be suppressed,

703
00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:37,314
Speaker 2: and he's saying we shouldn't always do that because it's

704
00:31:37,354 --> 00:31:39,874
Speaker 2: an engine, Like, it's a motivator, and it can be

705
00:31:39,914 --> 00:31:42,314
Speaker 2: really good at making men like get out in the world.

706
00:31:42,314 --> 00:31:43,554
Speaker 1: And do things. That's his argument.

707
00:31:43,594 --> 00:31:45,914
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but it feels a

708
00:31:45,994 --> 00:31:49,874
Speaker 2: little bit like mainstream culture where like suppressing male horniness

709
00:31:49,994 --> 00:31:52,354
Speaker 2: and valorizing female horniness.

710
00:31:53,234 --> 00:31:54,234
Speaker 1: I quite like it.

711
00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:58,754
Speaker 3: I like it because, let's be honest, female horniness isn't dangerous,

712
00:31:58,994 --> 00:32:01,634
Speaker 3: right like, and I think that that's it, not that

713
00:32:01,754 --> 00:32:03,074
Speaker 3: all male horniness is.

714
00:32:03,514 --> 00:32:05,354
Speaker 1: But it has a dangerous edge. It has a.

715
00:32:05,354 --> 00:32:07,594
Speaker 3: Dangerous edge when you think about sexual violence and you

716
00:32:07,594 --> 00:32:10,194
Speaker 3: think about domestic violence, which are two things that we

717
00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:14,314
Speaker 3: talk about increasingly, and we know that the rates are high.

718
00:32:14,314 --> 00:32:16,874
Speaker 3: A lot of women have experienced it, and so there's

719
00:32:16,914 --> 00:32:24,234
Speaker 3: something subversive about women being vocally like thirsty, and it

720
00:32:24,314 --> 00:32:26,994
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it's got that sinister side.

721
00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:30,554
Speaker 2: I agree, But I think to your point earlier about

722
00:32:30,634 --> 00:32:32,834
Speaker 2: are we responding to the culture? Has there always been there?

723
00:32:32,874 --> 00:32:35,314
Speaker 2: I think it's always been there because have you ever

724
00:32:35,354 --> 00:32:37,194
Speaker 2: been and I haven't for a very long time. But

725
00:32:37,234 --> 00:32:38,754
Speaker 2: in my twenties, and that was a long time ago,

726
00:32:39,154 --> 00:32:42,234
Speaker 2: I was writing a story about male strip groups, yep,

727
00:32:42,314 --> 00:32:44,954
Speaker 2: and I went to like a manpower concert in London.

728
00:32:45,274 --> 00:32:47,914
Speaker 2: You have never seen a hornier group of people than

729
00:32:47,954 --> 00:32:49,194
Speaker 2: a lot of women, remember, the.

730
00:32:49,354 --> 00:32:49,994
Speaker 1: What do you call life?

731
00:32:50,034 --> 00:32:52,354
Speaker 5: I went to the Magic Life. I went to one.

732
00:32:52,434 --> 00:32:56,114
Speaker 5: It was like in a circus tent. It was so sexy. Yeah,

733
00:32:56,154 --> 00:32:57,714
Speaker 5: it was so hot.

734
00:32:57,834 --> 00:33:00,194
Speaker 3: I was so into it. It was very cool. I

735
00:33:00,314 --> 00:33:02,434
Speaker 3: followed one of them on Instagram. He still pops in.

736
00:33:02,474 --> 00:33:04,274
Speaker 3: He's got a lovely girlfriend.

737
00:33:04,114 --> 00:33:06,994
Speaker 2: But a horde of women particularly maybe they've been on

738
00:33:07,234 --> 00:33:10,954
Speaker 2: bitch diesel. Like there is something quite scary about that.

739
00:33:11,074 --> 00:33:14,514
Speaker 2: Not scary in the way that male salivating.

740
00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:16,714
Speaker 1: It's there. But the thing is is I think that

741
00:33:16,714 --> 00:33:18,474
Speaker 1: that used to be kind of mocked.

742
00:33:18,194 --> 00:33:22,354
Speaker 2: A bit, like that level of undisguised female sexual desire

743
00:33:22,474 --> 00:33:25,354
Speaker 2: is like a bit tragic. And I feel like maybe

744
00:33:25,354 --> 00:33:28,634
Speaker 2: what's shifted in the culture is it's not seen as

745
00:33:28,714 --> 00:33:31,514
Speaker 2: tragic now, it's seen to be something to be celebrated.

746
00:33:31,874 --> 00:33:34,194
Speaker 2: And to what you were saying, Jesse about at different

747
00:33:34,194 --> 00:33:35,554
Speaker 2: stages in your life.

748
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:36,674
Speaker 4: Because I was.

749
00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:38,514
Speaker 1: Reading this big piece in the New.

750
00:33:38,474 --> 00:33:42,154
Speaker 2: York Times about how a pill for female libido is

751
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:45,074
Speaker 2: supposed to be coming back. It's been pushed around and

752
00:33:45,074 --> 00:33:46,874
Speaker 2: pushed off the shells for a long time, with all

753
00:33:46,914 --> 00:33:49,714
Speaker 2: this discussion about whether or not women really want it.

754
00:33:49,834 --> 00:33:50,994
Speaker 1: Da da da da da.

755
00:33:51,114 --> 00:33:54,034
Speaker 2: The article was an interview with this woman called Sandieka right,

756
00:33:54,034 --> 00:33:56,114
Speaker 2: and she's an American works in the health space, and

757
00:33:56,154 --> 00:33:59,594
Speaker 2: she and her company had invented a pill a while

758
00:33:59,634 --> 00:34:02,554
Speaker 2: ago that was supposed to deal with women's flagging libido. Now,

759
00:34:02,554 --> 00:34:04,474
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into too much detail about

760
00:34:04,514 --> 00:34:08,634
Speaker 2: the pill because obviously it's not approved or available in Australia.

761
00:34:08,674 --> 00:34:11,274
Speaker 2: They're giving it the nickname of female viagra, but that's

762
00:34:11,314 --> 00:34:13,953
Speaker 2: not what it's called. But back to Cindy, she's been

763
00:34:13,994 --> 00:34:16,514
Speaker 2: trying to get this pill on the mainstream market for

764
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:19,314
Speaker 2: decades and she's come up against all these barriers that

765
00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:22,354
Speaker 2: don't all seem to actually be medical, but more cultural

766
00:34:22,834 --> 00:34:25,194
Speaker 2: than then, as The New York Times wrote, as women

767
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:29,034
Speaker 2: binge read copies of all fours, as you've said, devour

768
00:34:29,114 --> 00:34:31,154
Speaker 2: stories about gen x women having the best sex of

769
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:33,754
Speaker 2: their life. Women of all ages are prioritizing their own

770
00:34:33,834 --> 00:34:37,634
Speaker 2: sex lives. So we played the long game, Ekert says,

771
00:34:37,794 --> 00:34:42,354
Speaker 2: and culture caught up. So it's like women are saying

772
00:34:42,434 --> 00:34:46,194
Speaker 2: that in the way that we're allowed to be sexual

773
00:34:46,234 --> 00:34:48,834
Speaker 2: beings at some parts of our lives, ideally while we're

774
00:34:48,834 --> 00:34:50,274
Speaker 2: young and hot in our twenties.

775
00:34:50,554 --> 00:34:52,114
Speaker 1: When they become mothers. We don't like it.

776
00:34:52,194 --> 00:34:54,473
Speaker 2: We don't like it when women are too sexy when

777
00:34:54,474 --> 00:34:58,194
Speaker 2: they're moms, and then when we become older, we don't

778
00:34:58,314 --> 00:35:00,874
Speaker 2: like it either because we're like, surely you're all dried

779
00:35:00,954 --> 00:35:03,154
Speaker 2: up now and not really interested in this stuff anymore.

780
00:35:03,154 --> 00:35:05,074
Speaker 2: And I think that as women have more of a voice,

781
00:35:05,114 --> 00:35:07,634
Speaker 2: we're going, y, yes, we are.

782
00:35:07,914 --> 00:35:11,674
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we've accepted that women's lives have natural ebbs

783
00:35:11,714 --> 00:35:14,194
Speaker 3: and flows when it comes to sexual desire, and it's like, oh,

784
00:35:14,274 --> 00:35:17,674
Speaker 3: during motherhood and menopause and da da da pressure. I

785
00:35:17,674 --> 00:35:20,033
Speaker 3: think that it can, but it's just interesting that we've

786
00:35:20,074 --> 00:35:23,954
Speaker 3: never accepted that with men, like virility and sexual desire

787
00:35:24,114 --> 00:35:26,794
Speaker 3: is critical. It's like from the day I don't know

788
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,553
Speaker 3: your voice drops or whatever to the day you die

789
00:35:29,714 --> 00:35:32,394
Speaker 3: as a man, you should be wanting it all the time.

790
00:35:32,594 --> 00:35:32,834
Speaker 1: Yeah.

791
00:35:32,834 --> 00:35:35,194
Speaker 2: And what I was saying before about Galloway's point where

792
00:35:35,194 --> 00:35:37,754
Speaker 2: he says it's like an engine, his thing was is

793
00:35:37,754 --> 00:35:40,634
Speaker 2: he said that horniness is like fire. It can be

794
00:35:40,754 --> 00:35:43,794
Speaker 2: dangerous to your point before Jesse, or it can be

795
00:35:43,874 --> 00:35:48,034
Speaker 2: harnessed to be a great like energized, and we sort

796
00:35:48,074 --> 00:35:50,274
Speaker 2: of go, oh, yeah, guys are like that, But women

797
00:35:50,354 --> 00:35:51,354
Speaker 2: can be like that too.

798
00:35:51,594 --> 00:35:54,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think with women's horniness, the difference is

799
00:35:54,954 --> 00:35:57,873
Speaker 4: is that men's horniness just sticks on the surface level,

800
00:35:57,914 --> 00:36:00,674
Speaker 4: whereas like women's runs a bit deeper. Like I know

801
00:36:00,794 --> 00:36:02,874
Speaker 4: so like so many of my guy friends are obsessed

802
00:36:02,914 --> 00:36:05,674
Speaker 4: with you a Liba just because she's hot. Yeah, Like

803
00:36:05,874 --> 00:36:07,594
Speaker 4: they might like a music, but there's no way they

804
00:36:07,674 --> 00:36:09,953
Speaker 4: know that she has a podcast or club or she's

805
00:36:09,994 --> 00:36:12,993
Speaker 4: like an activist. Was like women, we see like if

806
00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:15,794
Speaker 4: my biggest crash was poor Mescal, I'm like watching everything

807
00:36:15,834 --> 00:36:18,634
Speaker 4: he's in. I'm reading every interview he does, even like

808
00:36:18,674 --> 00:36:21,473
Speaker 4: the Magic Mic Show. When I went, the number one

809
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:24,594
Speaker 4: rule we were told was you can't touch the dancers. No,

810
00:36:24,994 --> 00:36:26,714
Speaker 4: certainly not, and no dancers were touched.

811
00:36:27,154 --> 00:36:28,234
Speaker 5: So women get it.

812
00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:29,154
Speaker 1: Women get it.

813
00:36:29,194 --> 00:36:31,634
Speaker 2: To the argument about whether or not it's pressure to go, well,

814
00:36:31,634 --> 00:36:34,994
Speaker 2: now you have to be horny all the time, postpartum,

815
00:36:35,034 --> 00:36:38,714
Speaker 2: post menopause, post everything, what's your excuse? Like horny, Horney, horny.

816
00:36:39,074 --> 00:36:43,234
Speaker 2: That can definitely be pressure. But also if your sexuality

817
00:36:43,394 --> 00:36:46,034
Speaker 2: was quite an important part of your identity and then

818
00:36:46,234 --> 00:36:49,913
Speaker 2: you lose it, it can be really challenging. Like it's

819
00:36:49,914 --> 00:36:52,514
Speaker 2: not that you necessarily feel that external pressure but you

820
00:36:52,554 --> 00:36:54,114
Speaker 2: can be like that used to be a big part

821
00:36:54,114 --> 00:36:57,714
Speaker 2: of who I was, and suddenly I couldn't think of anything.

822
00:36:57,754 --> 00:36:59,953
Speaker 2: I'd rather have a cup of tea, the famous quote,

823
00:36:59,954 --> 00:37:01,674
Speaker 2: it's like, I'd rather have a cup of tea. And

824
00:37:01,714 --> 00:37:05,354
Speaker 2: so I think the idea of being able to turn

825
00:37:05,394 --> 00:37:09,114
Speaker 2: that on if you could, if you want to, not

826
00:37:09,274 --> 00:37:11,314
Speaker 2: under pressure from somebody else to do it.

827
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:14,634
Speaker 3: And that was also masking things like the fact that

828
00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:17,714
Speaker 3: women weren't getting the support they needed after birth, that

829
00:37:17,794 --> 00:37:21,354
Speaker 3: painful sex was totally normalized, that sexual dysfunction was just

830
00:37:21,434 --> 00:37:23,953
Speaker 3: part of being a woman, that there was no such

831
00:37:23,994 --> 00:37:26,274
Speaker 3: thing as pelvic floor physios, that kind of stuff. And

832
00:37:26,314 --> 00:37:29,754
Speaker 3: now I think that there's been this injection into women's

833
00:37:29,794 --> 00:37:33,074
Speaker 3: health and also a focus on like it is a

834
00:37:33,114 --> 00:37:35,433
Speaker 3: health issue, like if you're having painful sex, or if

835
00:37:36,154 --> 00:37:38,354
Speaker 3: whatever it is, you deserve to have that part of

836
00:37:38,394 --> 00:37:39,954
Speaker 3: your life, if you want it.

837
00:37:40,154 --> 00:37:43,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love your point that we think that all

838
00:37:43,274 --> 00:37:46,234
Speaker 2: these guys on the Vanity Fair cover would definitely bring

839
00:37:46,354 --> 00:37:47,154
Speaker 2: us a cup of tea.

840
00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:51,634
Speaker 1: And would they would? Would they?

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Speaker 5: Okay, can you tell me what this is all about?

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Speaker 3: don't know what's happened.

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863
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Speaker 4: if you don't watch F one, I'm going to tell

864
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Speaker 4: you why I need to watch this race. Okay. So

865
00:39:05,234 --> 00:39:09,394
Speaker 4: F one twenty drivers, ten teams, two drivers per team,

866
00:39:09,994 --> 00:39:13,073
Speaker 4: twenty four races. We have two more races coming up

867
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:15,953
Speaker 4: for the whole season, for the whole season, so it's

868
00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:17,913
Speaker 4: near the end, near the end. So if you're not

869
00:39:17,954 --> 00:39:22,754
Speaker 4: across F one drivers race to win points, and if

870
00:39:22,794 --> 00:39:25,114
Speaker 4: you come first in the race, you get twenty five points,

871
00:39:25,114 --> 00:39:27,794
Speaker 4: and then second eighteen points, third and then your tenth

872
00:39:27,834 --> 00:39:29,513
Speaker 4: and you get one point, and if you're below ten

873
00:39:29,594 --> 00:39:33,114
Speaker 4: you get zero points. So the aim for the driver

874
00:39:33,274 --> 00:39:36,354
Speaker 4: is to become a world champion each year, and to

875
00:39:36,354 --> 00:39:38,714
Speaker 4: become world champion you need the most points.

876
00:39:38,514 --> 00:39:40,513
Speaker 5: Yes, which Lewis Hamilton has won a million times.

877
00:39:40,594 --> 00:39:43,994
Speaker 4: Lowis Hamilton's one heaps sometimes Max for Stapen. Max Forstappen

878
00:39:44,114 --> 00:39:46,634
Speaker 4: has been the current winner, he's won the last. Don't

879
00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:51,154
Speaker 4: reach for your water, Holly, and I will say this is.

880
00:39:51,114 --> 00:39:51,953
Speaker 1: My cue to drink.

881
00:39:52,034 --> 00:39:57,034
Speaker 3: Speaking of female horniness and every F one driver, every

882
00:39:57,314 --> 00:39:58,994
Speaker 3: F one driver, if you need a reason to watch it.

883
00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:03,274
Speaker 3: But I have during pregnancy been having very intense streams

884
00:40:03,314 --> 00:40:03,714
Speaker 3: about some.

885
00:40:05,314 --> 00:40:08,194
Speaker 5: F one drivers. I've had sex streams about some of them.

886
00:40:09,274 --> 00:40:13,714
Speaker 3: Land Norris, Lando Norris, I have a serialized relationship within

887
00:40:13,794 --> 00:40:17,154
Speaker 3: my sleep. Also, he's your favorite, he's my favorite, so

888
00:40:17,234 --> 00:40:18,913
Speaker 3: I need him to win, and I need you to

889
00:40:18,914 --> 00:40:21,234
Speaker 3: tell me some good news about Lando Norris because this

890
00:40:21,274 --> 00:40:21,714
Speaker 3: is his year.

891
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:24,354
Speaker 5: Also, George Russell maximum stepan not my type.

892
00:40:24,354 --> 00:40:24,994
Speaker 4: Very good looking.

893
00:40:25,154 --> 00:40:30,513
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, those of us who are not watching F one,

894
00:40:30,674 --> 00:40:31,074
Speaker 2: come on.

895
00:40:31,154 --> 00:40:34,874
Speaker 1: Jesse's picked interest a little bit. So now tell me why.

896
00:40:34,754 --> 00:40:37,434
Speaker 4: The McLaren the McLaren team have been doing the best.

897
00:40:37,754 --> 00:40:41,354
Speaker 4: They have two drivers, Jesse's Lando Norris, yeah, who drives

898
00:40:41,394 --> 00:40:46,433
Speaker 4: for England, and Oscar Piastre. He's an Australian, so by

899
00:40:46,514 --> 00:40:48,394
Speaker 4: law we all have to be fans of Oscar Pastre

900
00:40:48,434 --> 00:40:52,274
Speaker 4: because Australian. Okay. The first half of the season, Oscar

901
00:40:52,394 --> 00:40:54,913
Speaker 4: was winning every race. He was coming on top, he

902
00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:56,994
Speaker 4: was getting the most points. We were like, this is

903
00:40:57,074 --> 00:41:00,154
Speaker 4: Australian's chance to win a championship.

904
00:41:00,234 --> 00:41:00,433
Speaker 1: Yep.

905
00:41:00,754 --> 00:41:05,634
Speaker 4: Halfway through that switched, Lando Norris started winning all the races.

906
00:41:05,914 --> 00:41:08,674
Speaker 4: Oscar dropped down to the point where a lot of

907
00:41:08,754 --> 00:41:12,114
Speaker 4: rumors started that McLaren's favoring Lando. They were making some

908
00:41:12,274 --> 00:41:14,794
Speaker 4: team decisions. I put Lando up first.

909
00:41:14,794 --> 00:41:16,794
Speaker 3: And that's when my dreams got really intense. I got

910
00:41:16,794 --> 00:41:18,873
Speaker 3: really into it and I was like, Lando, I've got it.

911
00:41:18,914 --> 00:41:19,834
Speaker 3: This year there was.

912
00:41:19,874 --> 00:41:22,034
Speaker 5: Discussion about me naming my child Lando.

913
00:41:22,394 --> 00:41:26,954
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay, so up until now, everyone was like, Okay,

914
00:41:27,074 --> 00:41:28,514
Speaker 4: this is going to be a bit of a boring

915
00:41:28,674 --> 00:41:31,433
Speaker 4: end of season because Lando's definitely going to win. He's

916
00:41:31,474 --> 00:41:33,954
Speaker 4: beating everyone by so many points.

917
00:41:34,034 --> 00:41:34,754
Speaker 5: I put it to bed.

918
00:41:34,874 --> 00:41:36,913
Speaker 4: Oscar felt like he was getting like a bit of

919
00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:40,034
Speaker 4: like stage fried, like he just wasn't performing. It was

920
00:41:40,074 --> 00:41:42,394
Speaker 4: like it's going to take a miracle for anything to change.

921
00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:46,194
Speaker 4: And then a miracle happened. Last weekend, we're in Las

922
00:41:46,274 --> 00:41:51,634
Speaker 4: Vegas for the Grand Prix. Max vistappin actually one, he

923
00:41:51,674 --> 00:41:55,433
Speaker 4: got twenty five points. Lando came second, so he got

924
00:41:55,474 --> 00:41:57,754
Speaker 4: eighteen points. Oscar came fifth, so he got a few

925
00:41:57,794 --> 00:42:00,794
Speaker 4: points and everyone was like, yay Max one, Max one.

926
00:42:00,834 --> 00:42:02,913
Speaker 4: Everyone loves Max, but it's like still not good enough.

927
00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:05,194
Speaker 4: He still can't beat Norris Lando. Norris is still at

928
00:42:05,194 --> 00:42:08,674
Speaker 4: the top. After the race, they do their podium, they

929
00:42:08,794 --> 00:42:12,874
Speaker 4: drenched the drivers in champagne. Everyone's happy, and then something happened.

930
00:42:12,954 --> 00:42:14,634
Speaker 1: Somebody fell over and broke the untain.

931
00:42:15,114 --> 00:42:18,514
Speaker 4: The cars have to be checked right because the cars

932
00:42:18,514 --> 00:42:20,714
Speaker 4: have to be up to code. And then it was

933
00:42:20,754 --> 00:42:24,714
Speaker 4: announced on the McLaren cars the thickness of the rear

934
00:42:24,794 --> 00:42:29,514
Speaker 4: most skid of both cars were less than the required thickness,

935
00:42:29,554 --> 00:42:36,554
Speaker 4: meaning both Lando Norris and Oscar Piastre were disqualified no points.

936
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:38,994
Speaker 4: No points for Lando and Oscar.

937
00:42:39,234 --> 00:42:41,634
Speaker 1: There was something wrong with their skid, something was wrong

938
00:42:41,634 --> 00:42:42,114
Speaker 1: with their skins.

939
00:42:42,394 --> 00:42:44,194
Speaker 5: Kinds from your Bob Jane Tmark's work.

940
00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:47,873
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very I'm very fluent in tires and you

941
00:42:47,874 --> 00:42:49,234
Speaker 2: don't want to mess with your skids.

942
00:42:49,354 --> 00:42:53,674
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we're getting there now. Norris is on three

943
00:42:53,794 --> 00:42:56,754
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety points, Oscar Pastre is on three hundred

944
00:42:56,794 --> 00:43:00,914
Speaker 4: and sixty six points. Max Vestappin also on three sixty

945
00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:05,474
Speaker 4: six points. There's only two races left, and everyone is

946
00:43:05,514 --> 00:43:09,314
Speaker 4: so locked in because it could still be anyone's championship.

947
00:43:09,314 --> 00:43:11,354
Speaker 3: I think I'll cry if it's Norris. This is his

948
00:43:11,474 --> 00:43:13,514
Speaker 3: one chance, this is his chance. It's got to be

949
00:43:13,594 --> 00:43:14,194
Speaker 3: Lando Norris.

950
00:43:14,194 --> 00:43:17,354
Speaker 4: Come on, more races left.

951
00:43:17,954 --> 00:43:21,594
Speaker 1: He's from your sport. I do not consider this a sport.

952
00:43:21,914 --> 00:43:23,994
Speaker 3: Oh, Holly, Wayne, right, all right, we're all watching it

953
00:43:24,034 --> 00:43:24,674
Speaker 3: over the weekend.

954
00:43:24,794 --> 00:43:26,714
Speaker 5: I'm watching it. Lando Norris, come on.

955
00:43:27,914 --> 00:43:28,914
Speaker 1: Awake for the race.

956
00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:30,794
Speaker 4: It's going to be Monday at three am.

957
00:43:34,234 --> 00:43:37,354
Speaker 5: I'm going to be so tired on Monday. And oh

958
00:43:37,474 --> 00:43:38,194
Speaker 5: I love it, I love it.

959
00:43:38,234 --> 00:43:39,954
Speaker 2: I love next time you guys slagged me off for

960
00:43:39,994 --> 00:43:43,114
Speaker 2: talking about gardening. I'm just bringing up that five minutes.

961
00:43:43,154 --> 00:43:44,993
Speaker 4: Which I have a working day. Every time you talk

962
00:43:44,994 --> 00:43:45,993
Speaker 4: about gardening, we can talk work.

963
00:43:46,274 --> 00:43:49,274
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly. Lando should have been in that vanity fair.

964
00:43:49,914 --> 00:43:51,794
Speaker 4: He doesn't like women.

965
00:43:52,274 --> 00:43:54,794
Speaker 5: Oh he does, my dreams. I'll tell you that.

966
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:59,794
Speaker 2: Okay, I have got a recommendation for you that is

967
00:44:00,394 --> 00:44:03,393
Speaker 2: lifting us out of the dole drums here right, The

968
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Speaker 2: Mushroom Tapes.

969
00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:05,593
Speaker 1: It is a new book.

970
00:44:05,794 --> 00:44:10,034
Speaker 2: It is by three of Australia's most impressive writers. Helen

971
00:44:10,074 --> 00:44:14,994
Speaker 2: Ghana bowed down Helen Ghana, so she's written this alongside

972
00:44:15,114 --> 00:44:18,114
Speaker 2: two various them journalists who are also really good mates

973
00:44:18,114 --> 00:44:21,034
Speaker 2: of hers, So Chloe Hooper, who's written about cases before,

974
00:44:21,194 --> 00:44:25,594
Speaker 2: including the brilliant tall Man book, and Sarah Krasnerstein, who

975
00:44:25,674 --> 00:44:28,274
Speaker 2: I think she wrote The Trauma Cleaner, and she's an

976
00:44:28,314 --> 00:44:31,634
Speaker 2: amazing I think originally Canadian journal who lives in Australia now.

977
00:44:31,674 --> 00:44:34,634
Speaker 2: And the three women are friends and obviously writers and

978
00:44:34,714 --> 00:44:38,393
Speaker 2: decided that they would cover it together and that's resulted

979
00:44:38,474 --> 00:44:39,154
Speaker 2: in this book.

980
00:44:39,474 --> 00:44:39,953
Speaker 4: It is, of.

981
00:44:39,954 --> 00:44:43,234
Speaker 2: Course the story of the Mushroom Trial as we all

982
00:44:43,274 --> 00:44:45,274
Speaker 2: know it, right, which is the triple murder trial of

983
00:44:45,514 --> 00:44:48,754
Speaker 2: Erin Patterson happening Regional Victoria just a few months ago,

984
00:44:49,074 --> 00:44:53,234
Speaker 2: where she was accused of murdering her parents in law,

985
00:44:53,434 --> 00:44:57,714
Speaker 2: Gail and Don Patterson, as well as Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson,

986
00:44:57,754 --> 00:45:00,314
Speaker 2: and attempting to murder Heather's husband Ian.

987
00:45:00,674 --> 00:45:02,513
Speaker 1: But it is about so much more.

988
00:45:02,874 --> 00:45:05,834
Speaker 2: They talk about all these different elements of the trial

989
00:45:05,874 --> 00:45:08,594
Speaker 2: that they think might be more or that we might

990
00:45:08,594 --> 00:45:11,754
Speaker 2: have missed. And there's lots of discussion about feminism, about

991
00:45:11,794 --> 00:45:15,794
Speaker 2: religion because the Patterson family were Baptists and very religious,

992
00:45:15,794 --> 00:45:18,794
Speaker 2: and Erin married Simon and sort of entered that world

993
00:45:18,874 --> 00:45:21,314
Speaker 2: and said she had a religious conversion when before she

994
00:45:21,354 --> 00:45:24,513
Speaker 2: was a confirmed atheist. And there's just it's so fascinating.

995
00:45:24,554 --> 00:45:27,074
Speaker 2: It takes all these different looks at the case. If

996
00:45:27,114 --> 00:45:29,914
Speaker 2: you ever read any of Helen Ghana's crime books, oh yeah,

997
00:45:29,954 --> 00:45:33,234
Speaker 2: so she wrote particularly an amazing one called This House

998
00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:35,674
Speaker 2: of Grief, which full circle.

999
00:45:36,034 --> 00:45:38,194
Speaker 4: Your mate Jua Leipa has.

1000
00:45:37,994 --> 00:45:40,674
Speaker 2: Given a whole new lease of life too, because she

1001
00:45:40,794 --> 00:45:42,834
Speaker 2: loved this book so much that she had Helen Ganner

1002
00:45:42,834 --> 00:45:45,433
Speaker 2: on her podcast. Now Helen Garner and Juwa Liipa on

1003
00:45:45,474 --> 00:45:48,794
Speaker 2: a podcast talking about a book about a murder that

1004
00:45:48,834 --> 00:45:51,354
Speaker 2: happened in regional Victoria back in two thousand and five

1005
00:45:51,434 --> 00:45:53,074
Speaker 2: or something. It is not something that many of us

1006
00:45:53,074 --> 00:45:55,234
Speaker 2: had on a bingo kada, but it happened. So Helen

1007
00:45:55,274 --> 00:45:59,274
Speaker 2: Garner is now like worldwide level famous for the most

1008
00:45:59,434 --> 00:46:02,394
Speaker 2: beautiful writing about real life trials and crimes.

1009
00:46:02,474 --> 00:46:02,634
Speaker 1: Right.

1010
00:46:02,714 --> 00:46:05,994
Speaker 2: She brings so much humanity and intellect to it. Anyway,

1011
00:46:06,194 --> 00:46:08,393
Speaker 2: everyone knew that Helena was in the courtroom when Aaron

1012
00:46:08,434 --> 00:46:10,714
Speaker 2: Pattinson's case is going on, and they were all like, Oh,

1013
00:46:10,714 --> 00:46:12,714
Speaker 2: she's gonna write ano book. She's going to write another book.

1014
00:46:13,114 --> 00:46:15,873
Speaker 2: But Helen Ghana says that she's too old to write

1015
00:46:15,874 --> 00:46:18,433
Speaker 2: another big book, old dereckon she is eighty three.

1016
00:46:19,034 --> 00:46:19,754
Speaker 4: Wow.

1017
00:46:21,074 --> 00:46:23,754
Speaker 2: She says this very explicitly in the book. She says,

1018
00:46:23,794 --> 00:46:26,034
Speaker 2: I'm coming to the end of my life and my

1019
00:46:26,114 --> 00:46:28,194
Speaker 2: professional life, and I don't think I've got that heavy

1020
00:46:28,234 --> 00:46:32,634
Speaker 2: lift in me. But Chloe Hooper and Sarah Krasnerstein they

1021
00:46:32,754 --> 00:46:34,674
Speaker 2: kind of got together and decided they'd do it together.

1022
00:46:34,714 --> 00:46:37,474
Speaker 2: And what they've done is they basically drove down to

1023
00:46:37,514 --> 00:46:39,554
Speaker 2: the court as many times as they could and stayed

1024
00:46:39,594 --> 00:46:41,634
Speaker 2: down there and did all these things and recorded all

1025
00:46:41,634 --> 00:46:45,354
Speaker 2: their conversations and have turned their conversations into a book.

1026
00:46:45,474 --> 00:46:47,634
Speaker 3: So are you listening to it? Almost like you'd listened.

1027
00:46:47,394 --> 00:46:48,034
Speaker 4: To a podcast.

1028
00:46:48,114 --> 00:46:50,274
Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the audiobook so you can buy

1029
00:46:50,354 --> 00:46:52,034
Speaker 2: this book. When it came out, everybody was.

1030
00:46:51,994 --> 00:46:53,914
Speaker 1: Like the cover, like it's so plain.

1031
00:46:53,994 --> 00:46:56,274
Speaker 2: It's just literally green with the Mushroom Trials on it

1032
00:46:56,274 --> 00:47:00,674
Speaker 2: and their names. But it's a very deliberately low fi release,

1033
00:47:01,554 --> 00:47:03,554
Speaker 2: and they've been doing lots of events talking about it

1034
00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:06,154
Speaker 2: and stuff. But I'm listening to it, and as an

1035
00:47:06,194 --> 00:47:10,914
Speaker 2: audio book, it's extraordinarily satisfying because it's their voices parts

1036
00:47:10,954 --> 00:47:13,834
Speaker 2: of it like a phone call. There's a narrator who

1037
00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:16,674
Speaker 2: weaves it all together with sort of details of the trial.

1038
00:47:17,394 --> 00:47:19,514
Speaker 2: And this is a story that obviously we all know

1039
00:47:20,034 --> 00:47:25,473
Speaker 2: very well, but listening to these three brain breakingly intelligent

1040
00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:30,274
Speaker 2: women talking about it is like it wigging on really

1041
00:47:30,314 --> 00:47:33,834
Speaker 2: smart friends. And they have such interesting takes on it,

1042
00:47:33,914 --> 00:47:38,034
Speaker 2: Like Ghana is very interested in the marriage and how

1043
00:47:38,434 --> 00:47:41,594
Speaker 2: ordinary that breakdown was, and the anger and the rage

1044
00:47:41,594 --> 00:47:44,474
Speaker 2: that you feel in those kind of situations. There's a

1045
00:47:44,474 --> 00:47:46,594
Speaker 2: lot of grace paid to the victims and what kind

1046
00:47:46,634 --> 00:47:48,154
Speaker 2: of people they were.

1047
00:47:48,274 --> 00:47:50,314
Speaker 1: It's just an amazing book.

1048
00:47:50,354 --> 00:47:53,634
Speaker 2: And they also talk, which is really interesting, about what

1049
00:47:53,674 --> 00:47:55,714
Speaker 2: it was like to be part of that scrum. Because

1050
00:47:55,714 --> 00:47:59,114
Speaker 2: although Ghana loves court cases and she's covered millions of them,

1051
00:47:59,394 --> 00:48:02,274
Speaker 2: not millions, but lots of them, she's never been in

1052
00:48:02,274 --> 00:48:05,074
Speaker 2: one way. You've got this massive international media and as

1053
00:48:05,114 --> 00:48:09,194
Speaker 2: they say, like nine podcasters, fourteen different and they are

1054
00:48:09,314 --> 00:48:12,953
Speaker 2: kind of repelled by the interest in it as much

1055
00:48:12,994 --> 00:48:16,354
Speaker 2: as they're then like exploring their own position and all that.

1056
00:48:16,474 --> 00:48:18,554
Speaker 1: So it's very it's kind of meta.

1057
00:48:18,594 --> 00:48:21,234
Speaker 5: Anyway I'm going to listen is so good, and it's

1058
00:48:21,274 --> 00:48:22,194
Speaker 5: their voices.

1059
00:48:21,874 --> 00:48:23,634
Speaker 2: It's them telling you. It's all I want to listen to.

1060
00:48:23,714 --> 00:48:26,034
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a true crime story on one level,

1061
00:48:26,034 --> 00:48:28,474
Speaker 2: but listening to these women talk about it is a

1062
00:48:28,514 --> 00:48:32,073
Speaker 2: whole other thing. Yeah, And I can't recommend it highly enough.

1063
00:48:32,434 --> 00:48:35,154
Speaker 2: The book book is out, but the audiobook is special.

1064
00:48:35,594 --> 00:48:39,913
Speaker 3: I have two quick recommendations. The first is a New

1065
00:48:39,994 --> 00:48:44,474
Speaker 3: Yorker article that I read over the weekend. Have you

1066
00:48:44,514 --> 00:48:48,754
Speaker 3: read Tatyana Schlosberg's essay about her terminal counts diagnosed?

1067
00:48:48,794 --> 00:48:50,314
Speaker 2: So I have because you send it to me, and

1068
00:48:50,354 --> 00:48:52,234
Speaker 2: it is absolutely devastating.

1069
00:48:52,474 --> 00:48:54,674
Speaker 5: It is so heartbreaking.

1070
00:48:55,194 --> 00:48:58,314
Speaker 3: She is thirty five and a year ago, following the

1071
00:48:58,754 --> 00:49:00,994
Speaker 3: birth of her second child, she was diagnosed with a

1072
00:49:01,074 --> 00:49:05,594
Speaker 3: rare form of lakemia that is terminal. And it is

1073
00:49:05,754 --> 00:49:11,674
Speaker 3: just a stunning meditation on life and death and how

1074
00:49:11,714 --> 00:49:15,674
Speaker 3: desperately she still wants to be here. And she is

1075
00:49:15,874 --> 00:49:20,514
Speaker 3: the cousin of RFK Junior, who is trying to slash

1076
00:49:20,634 --> 00:49:25,074
Speaker 3: lots of money to vaccine funding, which will directly impact her.

1077
00:49:25,634 --> 00:49:28,393
Speaker 3: So she has some really interesting things to say about that.

1078
00:49:28,594 --> 00:49:29,434
Speaker 5: But you'll cry.

1079
00:49:29,834 --> 00:49:32,634
Speaker 3: But it's also just a reminder that life is precious

1080
00:49:32,674 --> 00:49:35,314
Speaker 3: and sometimes we need that. And then to show you

1081
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Speaker 3: up the hair brush. The out louders have been asking,

1082
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Speaker 3: I tease this a few weeks ago. I said, there's

1083
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Speaker 3: a hair brush I'm obsessed with, but it is currently

1084
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1085
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1086
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Speaker 4: I need a new hair rush. So but I don't

1087
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Speaker 4: look at my strands.

1088
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Speaker 3: Your head's beautiful, and but this one is perfect. It

1089
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1090
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Speaker 3: Now all bristles, four bristles, right, And I looked into this.

1091
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Speaker 1: As in like pig Yes.

1092
00:50:02,674 --> 00:50:05,954
Speaker 3: Now, if you're a vegan, don't buy this brush. But

1093
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Speaker 3: I looked into the ethic and I went, yes, I

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Speaker 3: will use this hairbrush. So look, do your own research.

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Speaker 3: But I have the knottiest hair when I get out

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Speaker 5: You know, the fight you do to get all the outime.

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Speaker 3: I just don't have knots anymore. It just goes straight through,

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Speaker 3: It is the best hair brush I have ever used.

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Speaker 3: I am obsessed and it is thirty four dollars. There

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Speaker 3: is a link in the show.

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Speaker 4: Notes out loud as we have something very very exciting

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Speaker 4: to share with you. Because it's Black Friday, mumam me

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Speaker 4: is actually giving you our biggest discount of the year

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Speaker 4: in our subscription. Right now, you can get twenty one

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't contribute to Landfilm, which I really appreciate.

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Speaker 3: It means full access to all of Muma MEA's podcasts,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of outlauders.

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Speaker 5: Might not know this.

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Speaker 3: It also means full access to Move. I'm on move

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Speaker 3: It has so many workouts that you can do whenever

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Speaker 3: you like. It's got subscriber giveaways, but you have to

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Speaker 3: be quick because there is a link in the show

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Speaker 3: notes for this offer, but it ends at eleven fifty

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Speaker 3: nine PM on the first of December.

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Speaker 5: Do not miss out, don't forget.

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Speaker 2: Parenting out Loud will be dropping tomorrow with Amelia Mons

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Speaker 2: and Stacy Search Parenting out Loud, Tap follow and thank

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Speaker 2: us later links in the show notes. A massive thank

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Speaker 2: you to all of you out louders for listening to

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Speaker 2: today's show or watching today's show on YouTube, and of

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Speaker 2: course to our fabulous team for putting it together. Why

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Speaker 2: don't you guys read us out?

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Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 3: Ruth Devine, executive producer Sasha Tannic.

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Speaker 4: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porgees, our video producer

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Speaker 4: is Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa Kodovich.

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Speaker 3: By Bye Bye, Muma Mayer acknowledges the traditional owners of

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Speaker 3: the land which we have recorded this podcast.