WEBVTT - Jack Black And The Joke That Ended A Tour 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mama Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.367 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:18.727 --> 0:00:22.167 Holly, the out Louders are alleging that you made an 0:00:22.287 --> 0:00:24.727 error on Monday's episode. You don't like making errors. Would 0:00:24.767 --> 0:00:26.047 you like to make public apology? 0:00:27.687 --> 0:00:30.327 I don't know if I'm prepared to make a public apology, 0:00:30.327 --> 0:00:33.407 because okay, it's not entirely clear that I was wrong, 0:00:33.527 --> 0:00:36.407 but I was wrong to her credit am our producer 0:00:36.887 --> 0:00:41.767 in the recording glimpse behind the scenes friends stopped me, 0:00:42.087 --> 0:00:46.767 yeah and said, Holly, I don't think that's it. You're 0:00:46.847 --> 0:00:49.967 supposed to say varlet instead of veil when you're talking 0:00:50.047 --> 0:00:51.647 about somebody who's passed. 0:00:52.087 --> 0:00:53.727 I thought it was veil too. 0:00:53.767 --> 0:00:57.047 And I wonder if it's an English thing. Of course, 0:00:57.127 --> 0:00:59.007 I want out louders to know that we do care. 0:00:59.127 --> 0:01:00.887 And before I came in, I googled and I did 0:01:00.927 --> 0:01:03.487 one of those sound pronunciations. But then, of course that 0:01:03.567 --> 0:01:05.367 might have been a different context for fail. 0:01:05.847 --> 0:01:08.087 Well, there's only one way to know for sure. And 0:01:08.167 --> 0:01:09.727 I was thinking that we put apart up with the 0:01:09.767 --> 0:01:12.127 out louders and they let us know if they think 0:01:12.407 --> 0:01:14.407 it's veil of vallet because often it's written. 0:01:14.567 --> 0:01:16.527 I used to think that it was veil, I think 0:01:16.527 --> 0:01:19.007 because I'd never heard it pronounced. Yeah, I heard someone 0:01:19.007 --> 0:01:21.167 say varlet and I was like, oh, I've been saying 0:01:21.167 --> 0:01:21.487 it wrong. 0:01:21.927 --> 0:01:22.967 I'm saying brusketta. 0:01:23.367 --> 0:01:25.727 No, I think it is. And I know some people 0:01:25.727 --> 0:01:27.647 were upset and they said, is it too much to 0:01:27.727 --> 0:01:30.167 ask that you could get this right in this context? 0:01:30.447 --> 0:01:32.527 And so I didn't want to. If I've offended anybody, 0:01:32.567 --> 0:01:39.727 I'm very sorry. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia. Out 0:01:39.727 --> 0:01:42.567 loud What women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the 0:01:42.567 --> 0:01:43.527 seventeenth of July. 0:01:43.727 --> 0:01:46.127 I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm mea Friedman. 0:01:45.847 --> 0:01:48.207 And I'm Jesse Stevens, and I want to do a thing. 0:01:48.327 --> 0:01:49.687 Before we get what thing are we doing? 0:01:49.727 --> 0:01:49.847 Oh? 0:01:49.927 --> 0:01:51.327 Jesse, I want another thing? 0:01:51.527 --> 0:01:54.767 Yes, you got things to bring. I want out louders 0:01:54.807 --> 0:01:55.887 wherever they are in the world. 0:01:55.967 --> 0:01:58.287 Maybe they're on the fine, while they're on the walk. 0:01:58.287 --> 0:02:00.127 Well, maybe they're in a very important meeting and they 0:02:00.127 --> 0:02:00.687 shouldn't be lea. 0:02:00.927 --> 0:02:03.447 I often imagine an out louder on a tractor. Yeah, 0:02:03.727 --> 0:02:05.367 shout out to our rural out louders. 0:02:05.407 --> 0:02:08.127 Well, I want you to share where you are listening 0:02:08.567 --> 0:02:10.447 to the PODCA cast today, and then I want you 0:02:10.487 --> 0:02:13.727 to tag mummy. Are out loud on Instagram because I 0:02:13.767 --> 0:02:15.167 want to go and have a look at the all. 0:02:15.207 --> 0:02:16.127 I want to share them all. 0:02:16.167 --> 0:02:18.487 I want to get excited. Yes, I need a visual. 0:02:18.687 --> 0:02:20.847 Lots of out louders are doing things they don't like 0:02:20.927 --> 0:02:23.247 doing while they're listening to us. That's what they tell us. 0:02:23.287 --> 0:02:26.727 A lot is like, well, I'm laundry or cooking a meal, 0:02:26.847 --> 0:02:29.767 or cleaning up doing a boring work thing. You know, 0:02:29.807 --> 0:02:33.247 we're a little distraction, little treatment distraction. So we want 0:02:33.247 --> 0:02:33.847 to see this. 0:02:34.287 --> 0:02:35.687 Happen, you know what. I want to make it a 0:02:35.727 --> 0:02:39.327 competition because I like to win the weirdest one, the 0:02:39.327 --> 0:02:41.647 one that is just the most interesting. I think they 0:02:41.647 --> 0:02:44.167 should get at the present like a Christmas in July, 0:02:44.407 --> 0:02:45.847 gift Christmas. 0:02:47.567 --> 0:02:49.927 What about feature toys. 0:02:50.967 --> 0:02:54.087 We should do our books, sign sign our books and 0:02:54.127 --> 0:02:55.607 write a little me or you're going to have to 0:02:55.607 --> 0:02:58.207 pick one of one of my which. 0:02:58.047 --> 0:02:59.847 One of my book books? 0:02:59.847 --> 0:03:03.767 Everywhere about that is you can have several books send 0:03:03.807 --> 0:03:07.087 your box. Also have several books, we'll sign them, We'll 0:03:07.127 --> 0:03:07.967 sign them and they. 0:03:07.927 --> 0:03:10.607 Send them to you. Tag Mama outloud on Instagram. I 0:03:10.647 --> 0:03:12.367 want to go and have a little love you out loud. 0:03:12.127 --> 0:03:15.807 On his claim on Today's show a bad taste joke 0:03:16.007 --> 0:03:19.407 and calls for deportation. Who had Jack Black on their 0:03:19.447 --> 0:03:23.647 Bingo card for this week? Also Violet Affleck for president. Well, look, 0:03:23.687 --> 0:03:25.887 there are worse choices at this point. But why is 0:03:25.967 --> 0:03:30.647 everyone talking about Ben and Jen's biggest girl? And if 0:03:30.687 --> 0:03:33.367 you don't watch out, these women will be heal bosses. 0:03:33.807 --> 0:03:37.327 The TikTok trend that somehow connected us and Andrew take 0:03:37.927 --> 0:03:39.607 but first, Mia. 0:03:39.967 --> 0:03:42.687 In case you, mister Donald Trump has had a big week. 0:03:42.887 --> 0:03:45.247 There was, of course the attempt at assassination attempt on 0:03:45.287 --> 0:03:50.207 Saturday night, and yesterday he announced his pick for vice president. 0:03:50.287 --> 0:03:52.127 It is a man whose name you might remember. 0:03:52.167 --> 0:03:52.727 It is JD. 0:03:52.967 --> 0:03:56.807 Vance and he is thirty nine years old. And I 0:03:56.967 --> 0:03:59.527 know him because he wrote a best selling memoir in 0:03:59.647 --> 0:04:02.247 twenty sixteen called hill Billy Elergy. 0:04:02.807 --> 0:04:03.447 Did you read it? 0:04:03.527 --> 0:04:03.927 I did? 0:04:04.007 --> 0:04:04.647 And is it good? 0:04:04.647 --> 0:04:05.447 It's really good. 0:04:05.607 --> 0:04:06.167 It's really good. 0:04:06.247 --> 0:04:09.287 So he grew up sort of dirt poor in a 0:04:09.407 --> 0:04:12.727 rural town in Middle America. 0:04:12.527 --> 0:04:13.487 The Appalachia. 0:04:13.727 --> 0:04:15.687 Yep, he did. And then he moved to Ohio. 0:04:16.167 --> 0:04:19.007 Yeah, and he was a marine. He was in and 0:04:19.007 --> 0:04:22.087 out of trouble when got a law degree. He kind 0:04:22.087 --> 0:04:25.447 of was like a troubled kid made good when into finance. 0:04:25.487 --> 0:04:27.807 He's married with three young kids, and he went into 0:04:27.847 --> 0:04:30.127 politics a few years ago. He's currently I think a 0:04:30.207 --> 0:04:33.967 senator from Ohio. Ironically, he used to be a never Trumper, 0:04:34.367 --> 0:04:36.767 which is the name. There aren't very many of them 0:04:36.847 --> 0:04:40.167 left anymore, but the name for those Republicans who don't 0:04:40.207 --> 0:04:41.487 want Trump to. 0:04:41.327 --> 0:04:43.327 Be the leader of their party. So here's what he 0:04:43.367 --> 0:04:43.767 had to. 0:04:43.647 --> 0:04:47.007 Say around twenty sixteen during the campaign when Trump was 0:04:47.047 --> 0:04:48.447 running against Hillary Clinton. 0:04:48.727 --> 0:04:51.127 I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him. 0:04:51.447 --> 0:04:53.967 My current plan is to vote either third party, or, 0:04:54.007 --> 0:04:55.767 as I joked to my wife, I might write in 0:04:55.887 --> 0:04:58.887 my dog, because that's about as good as it seems. 0:04:59.647 --> 0:05:02.047 I think there's a chance if I feel like Trump 0:05:02.047 --> 0:05:05.247 has a really good chance of winning, that I might 0:05:05.287 --> 0:05:07.927 have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton. 0:05:08.007 --> 0:05:11.007 But he met Trump in twenty twenty one, and look 0:05:11.007 --> 0:05:14.167 a romance clearly flourished. And here's what you need to 0:05:14.207 --> 0:05:15.927 know about where he stands now. 0:05:16.567 --> 0:05:16.767 Jd. 0:05:16.927 --> 0:05:18.967 Vance does not believe in abortion, even in the case 0:05:19.007 --> 0:05:19.367 of rape. 0:05:19.407 --> 0:05:19.887 Or incest. 0:05:20.047 --> 0:05:21.927 He does not believe in climate change, he does not 0:05:21.967 --> 0:05:24.327 believe in immigration, and he does not believe the US 0:05:24.367 --> 0:05:26.407 should support the Ukraine against Russia. 0:05:26.447 --> 0:05:29.727 Privately, in twenty sixteen, in a Facebook message to a friend, 0:05:29.767 --> 0:05:33.287 he also compared Trump to Hitler, So he was very 0:05:33.927 --> 0:05:36.447 anti Trump. But I had a friend who said to me, 0:05:36.607 --> 0:05:42.127 if the Republicans could have invented a vice president of 0:05:42.167 --> 0:05:45.207 this party in a lab, they've just invented him like 0:05:45.327 --> 0:05:47.727 he under Trump under Trump because he is half the 0:05:47.767 --> 0:05:50.847 age of both the running candidates. He's thirty nine years old, 0:05:50.887 --> 0:05:52.967 which is very young for politician. I think you can 0:05:53.007 --> 0:05:55.807 only be president after thirty five. So there are a 0:05:55.807 --> 0:05:58.087 few states that again decide this election, which I think 0:05:58.087 --> 0:06:00.247 you were saying just the other day. He appeals to 0:06:00.327 --> 0:06:04.647 them perfectly, refer to themselves, forgotten people, white, middle class angry. 0:06:05.047 --> 0:06:08.047 He is them, like this is going to play well. 0:06:08.127 --> 0:06:08.527 He is. 0:06:08.727 --> 0:06:12.527 Except so the thing that's interesting to hear you just 0:06:12.527 --> 0:06:14.367 said he's the person who design in a lab. He's 0:06:14.367 --> 0:06:16.487 actually not the safe choice. A lot of the commentary 0:06:16.567 --> 0:06:19.487 was saying that there were much more experienced people who 0:06:19.487 --> 0:06:21.127 would have been a good balance to Trump. Of course, 0:06:21.167 --> 0:06:23.767 Trump doesn't want that, and also that actually he might 0:06:23.807 --> 0:06:26.367 be a bit of a challenger to Trump, which Trump 0:06:26.407 --> 0:06:28.607 does not like. Right. Trump does not want to share 0:06:28.607 --> 0:06:30.927 the spotlight, so that'll be interesting. But also some of 0:06:30.967 --> 0:06:34.247 the mega faithful are confused by him because he's married 0:06:34.287 --> 0:06:38.367 to the daughter of Indian immigrants and his children have 0:06:38.607 --> 0:06:41.847 what they term Indian names. Right now, this is for 0:06:41.967 --> 0:06:44.687 that particular part of politics. I've already seen the narrative 0:06:44.727 --> 0:06:46.847 that's like, he's not going to be our defender. How 0:06:46.887 --> 0:06:49.367 can he defend wide America when he's not white. But 0:06:49.487 --> 0:06:51.767 the thing is is that in other quarters that will 0:06:51.767 --> 0:06:54.487 play really well for him because he also represents a 0:06:54.647 --> 0:06:59.367 very multicultural nation. So he's kind of a risky, slightly 0:06:59.607 --> 0:07:03.087 edgy choice in some ways, but a dangerous guy. And 0:07:03.207 --> 0:07:05.967 I always think the most dangerous people in the world 0:07:06.007 --> 0:07:08.247 are the ones who don't really believe things but will 0:07:08.287 --> 0:07:10.967 just swing with the time. We often talk about changing 0:07:11.007 --> 0:07:13.167 your mind as a politician or anybody, and it should 0:07:13.167 --> 0:07:16.367 be encouraged because you know, we make statements. I do 0:07:16.447 --> 0:07:18.767 it all the time about things, and then you learn 0:07:18.807 --> 0:07:20.727 more and you go, oh, I was wrong. Strong opinions 0:07:20.767 --> 0:07:23.727 loosely so the generous take on the fact that he 0:07:23.807 --> 0:07:26.087 used to be a never Trumper who called Trump hitler. 0:07:26.287 --> 0:07:29.007 The generous take is that he's learned more and he's 0:07:29.047 --> 0:07:32.287 changed his mind. But the more cynical take is that 0:07:32.847 --> 0:07:36.087 like many other Republicans, he's just swallowing whatever it will 0:07:36.087 --> 0:07:38.447 take to get him close to power, and those people 0:07:38.527 --> 0:07:40.287 are the most dangerous people in the world. 0:07:40.367 --> 0:07:41.367 He's an opportunist. 0:07:59.687 --> 0:08:01.287 Noman's Trump next Time. 0:08:04.007 --> 0:08:07.127 On Sunday night, a musician named Kyle Gass made a 0:08:07.167 --> 0:08:09.767 five word joke on stage that would lead to calls 0:08:09.847 --> 0:08:14.047 for deportation, a public apology by his bandmate, and ultimately 0:08:14.247 --> 0:08:17.967 end their tour of Australia. So if you don't recognize 0:08:17.967 --> 0:08:20.567 that name, Kyle Gass and Jack Black, who you might 0:08:20.647 --> 0:08:22.927 know from School of Rock and Kung Fu Panda who 0:08:22.927 --> 0:08:26.127 was recently here promoting Kung Fu Panda four. They make 0:08:26.207 --> 0:08:29.407 up a comedy rock duo called Tenacious D. Their most 0:08:29.447 --> 0:08:32.287 famous songs were Tribute and Greatest Song in the World, 0:08:32.367 --> 0:08:36.687 which were early two thousands hits. Anyway, they're at Sydney's 0:08:36.847 --> 0:08:40.727 ICC Theater, about nine thousand people in attendance. Tenacious D 0:08:41.287 --> 0:08:44.007 were performing and Jack Black asked his bandmate if he 0:08:44.047 --> 0:08:46.327 had a birthday wish, which is what you just heard there, 0:08:46.527 --> 0:08:49.887 and he says, don't miss Trump next time. Referring to 0:08:49.927 --> 0:08:53.967 the assassination attempt over the weekend, Senator Ralph Babbitt, an 0:08:53.967 --> 0:08:57.767 Australian politician and member of the United Australia Party, called 0:08:57.807 --> 0:09:01.007 for Black and Gas's visas to be revoked and for 0:09:01.127 --> 0:09:05.527 both band members to be deported immediately. Anything less than 0:09:05.527 --> 0:09:08.247 a deportation is an endorsement of the shooting and the 0:09:08.287 --> 0:09:13.447 attempted assassin of Donald Trump, he said. Just hours before 0:09:13.447 --> 0:09:16.927 their Newcastle show was due to start, Tenacious D announced 0:09:16.967 --> 0:09:19.847 the show was canceled, which was followed by a statement 0:09:20.007 --> 0:09:24.167 by Jack Black. He said, I was blindsided by what 0:09:24.287 --> 0:09:26.207 was said on the show on Sunday. I would never 0:09:26.287 --> 0:09:29.407 condone hate speech or encourage political violence in any form. 0:09:29.967 --> 0:09:33.407 After much reflection, I no longer feel it is appropriate 0:09:33.447 --> 0:09:37.367 to continue the Tenacious D tour and all future creative 0:09:37.367 --> 0:09:39.887 plans are on hold. I am grateful to the fans 0:09:39.887 --> 0:09:43.367 for their support and understanding. Gas then released his own 0:09:43.527 --> 0:09:46.607 statement very similar. He said he improvised on stage and 0:09:46.687 --> 0:09:50.207 what he said was highly inappropriate, dangerous and a terrible mistake. 0:09:51.327 --> 0:09:54.287 I think it's worth being frank in this segment that 0:09:54.287 --> 0:09:56.287 that was a joke that was uttered in a lot 0:09:56.327 --> 0:10:00.007 of private circles over the weekend. Trump himself has incited 0:10:00.007 --> 0:10:02.687 political violence. Many people around the world see him as 0:10:02.687 --> 0:10:06.567 this existential threat to democracy. But Gas did not make 0:10:06.647 --> 0:10:09.487 his joke at a private dinner table. And if a 0:10:09.487 --> 0:10:13.207 different artist had joked about assassinating a politician we all liked, 0:10:13.447 --> 0:10:16.567 then I think we'd probably be horrified, and potentially some 0:10:16.607 --> 0:10:21.007 of us would have the same response as Senator Babbitt mea, 0:10:21.647 --> 0:10:24.607 what do you make of calls to deport the pair? 0:10:25.247 --> 0:10:30.287 I think deportation is ridiculous, and calls for it are 0:10:31.327 --> 0:10:36.607 just really opportunistic and virtue signaling and just silly, just silly. 0:10:36.647 --> 0:10:39.287 Frankly, like it got the attention, the letter got the 0:10:39.287 --> 0:10:42.167 attention of Elon Musk, so it's like it's a call 0:10:42.287 --> 0:10:44.487 for just generating story big ye. 0:10:44.447 --> 0:10:45.127 Yeah, of course. 0:10:45.527 --> 0:10:49.807 And I think we're increasingly seeing this when people pull 0:10:49.927 --> 0:10:54.207 focus on situations to make it about themselves, and Elong 0:10:54.287 --> 0:10:56.327 Musk is one of those people, you know. Not long 0:10:56.367 --> 0:11:01.207 after the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, he brought attention 0:11:01.287 --> 0:11:03.927 back to himself by endorsing him for president, like within 0:11:03.967 --> 0:11:07.887 about thirty minutes of that happening. So I think that 0:11:08.047 --> 0:11:10.927 we're often seeing this. People are being an opportunistic and 0:11:11.047 --> 0:11:14.527 using the misfortune of others, or the mistakes of others, 0:11:15.087 --> 0:11:18.087 or you know, the wrongdoing of others in many cases 0:11:18.647 --> 0:11:21.047 to put themselves in the center of the conversation. And 0:11:21.087 --> 0:11:23.647 I think that's what this is. I think that jokes 0:11:23.647 --> 0:11:26.287 don't always land. We've learned that at airports, that there 0:11:26.327 --> 0:11:30.407 are some jokes that just you just have to be 0:11:30.487 --> 0:11:32.207 very careful. And of course, the first thing I thought 0:11:32.207 --> 0:11:36.327 about with the Dixie Chicks, who were canceled before canceled 0:11:36.327 --> 0:11:38.767 culture before even the Internet. In two thousand and three, 0:11:39.207 --> 0:11:42.607 the Internet was around, but social media wasn't around. They 0:11:42.687 --> 0:11:47.487 criticized George W. Bush's war in Iraq, which is kind 0:11:47.527 --> 0:11:50.767 of quaint now because a lot of people criticized that 0:11:50.847 --> 0:11:53.607 war at the time and afterwards, but back then it 0:11:53.647 --> 0:11:57.407 was seen as being very unpatriotic, and they never recovered 0:11:57.607 --> 0:11:59.607 one of the three women in the Dixie Chicks. It 0:11:59.647 --> 0:12:03.807 was like a country band said it, and they pretty 0:12:03.887 --> 0:12:07.327 much lost their career after that. Natalie Mainz at the 0:12:07.327 --> 0:12:10.167 time said in a concert also to their audience, just 0:12:10.207 --> 0:12:12.047 so you know, we're on the good side with y'all. 0:12:12.127 --> 0:12:14.047 We do not want this war, this violence, and we're 0:12:14.047 --> 0:12:17.047 ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas. 0:12:17.447 --> 0:12:20.367 What's interesting about that example is that the three of 0:12:20.407 --> 0:12:22.927 them banded together and stood. 0:12:22.607 --> 0:12:25.447 By what was said right by one of them by. 0:12:25.247 --> 0:12:27.927 One of them in this Do we think that Jack 0:12:28.007 --> 0:12:30.567 Black has thrown his mate under the bus, that he 0:12:30.727 --> 0:12:33.567 has betrayed his bandmate by coming out and saying I 0:12:33.567 --> 0:12:34.127 don't endorse it. 0:12:34.287 --> 0:12:36.447 I do think that, But I also think that Kyle 0:12:36.487 --> 0:12:39.407 Gass probably knows that Jack Black had no choice. So 0:12:39.527 --> 0:12:42.367 they've been mates for decades, right. They were like mates 0:12:42.407 --> 0:12:44.767 when they were struggling actors together, and then Jack Black 0:12:44.807 --> 0:12:46.767 did High Fidelity in School of Rock and became like 0:12:46.807 --> 0:12:49.847 a massive star, and he and Kyle Gass have been 0:12:50.047 --> 0:12:52.207 in this band ever since then. They've literally been doing 0:12:52.247 --> 0:12:55.447 this for thirty years, so they know each other pretty well. Right, 0:12:55.967 --> 0:12:58.647 It's not surprising what their politics are. They've spoken out 0:12:58.687 --> 0:13:01.007 about Trump lots of times. They're doing a whole lot 0:13:01.047 --> 0:13:03.967 of Rock the Vote concerts in America over the summer 0:13:04.007 --> 0:13:07.727 in the autumn. Like the people in that stadium would 0:13:07.767 --> 0:13:14.047 have been middle aged, left leaning, paunchy rockers. Right, massive generalization. 0:13:14.127 --> 0:13:16.447 Apologies to anyone listening who was in that audience and 0:13:16.487 --> 0:13:18.567 doesn't fit the metal, but you know what I mean, 0:13:19.007 --> 0:13:22.087 like broadly speaking, and I doubt that very few of 0:13:22.087 --> 0:13:24.767 them would have been shocked to hear what they heard. 0:13:25.087 --> 0:13:28.247 But of course the context changes immediately when it's taken 0:13:28.327 --> 0:13:31.167 out of there and shown around the world. I was 0:13:31.247 --> 0:13:35.607 surprised that Jack Black made that statement, but I also 0:13:35.727 --> 0:13:39.207 can see how in this particular climate, he has no choice. 0:13:39.607 --> 0:13:41.487 I don't think it's the same as the Dixie Chicks, 0:13:41.527 --> 0:13:43.367 because I think that the reason that that was so 0:13:43.567 --> 0:13:45.567 damaging for the Dixie Chicks was because of who their 0:13:45.567 --> 0:13:47.727 fan base were, and they were a much bigger deal 0:13:47.767 --> 0:13:50.727 and who really gives a shit what Kyle gastinks about 0:13:50.767 --> 0:13:53.807 Donald Trump? And they also weren't joking. No, they weren't joking. 0:13:54.127 --> 0:13:57.367 So I think that's a very different environment. It will 0:13:57.407 --> 0:13:59.247 be really interesting to see how many legs this has 0:13:59.247 --> 0:14:01.607 got and how Actually one of the reasons why it 0:14:01.647 --> 0:14:04.407 was a really stupid thing to do is that one 0:14:04.407 --> 0:14:08.967 of the absolute cornerstones of MAGA philosophy and world belief 0:14:09.047 --> 0:14:13.207 is that Hollywood and music and basically culture is full 0:14:13.207 --> 0:14:17.527 of lefties who are elites who scoff at, you know, 0:14:17.847 --> 0:14:20.367 the real people, and this just plays into that. So 0:14:20.487 --> 0:14:24.447 nobody's surprised when Hollywood actors or musicians or whatever say 0:14:24.927 --> 0:14:28.687 I don't like Trump. I'm a Democrat. It kind of hands, 0:14:28.927 --> 0:14:31.607 for want of a lesson, sundry word, ammunition to the 0:14:31.647 --> 0:14:34.807 other side, right, So it was a stupid thing to do. 0:14:34.847 --> 0:14:36.487 But I agree with Mia that I think that the 0:14:36.487 --> 0:14:39.047 politicians who are jumping on this and calling for deportation, 0:14:39.807 --> 0:14:43.047 it's virtue signaling and it's canceled culture from a corner 0:14:43.127 --> 0:14:45.607 who normally say they hate that, who normally say, we're 0:14:45.647 --> 0:14:47.807 all about free speech. Yeah, are you that? 0:14:47.967 --> 0:14:49.767 I also thought it was interesting Kevin rad who's the 0:14:49.967 --> 0:14:55.167 Australian ambassador to the US, released a statement saying it's repugnant. 0:14:55.167 --> 0:14:57.647 It makes him physically ill any threat of physical violence, 0:14:57.647 --> 0:15:00.767 and he said that these men should grow up and 0:15:00.767 --> 0:15:01.527 get a real. 0:15:01.367 --> 0:15:04.567 Job, mate, which I thought was really interesting. 0:15:04.607 --> 0:15:07.687 I'm conflicted, right because on the one hand, I like 0:15:07.727 --> 0:15:09.407 freedom of speech, and I like that you can make 0:15:09.447 --> 0:15:10.567 a joke, and I like that you can make a 0:15:10.647 --> 0:15:13.167 joke that offends people. I think that's your right. On 0:15:13.207 --> 0:15:17.247 the other hand, I have this real discomfort, as we 0:15:17.247 --> 0:15:20.047 were talking about on Monday, with where the tone of 0:15:20.047 --> 0:15:22.327 the debate and the temperature of the debate is and 0:15:22.447 --> 0:15:25.967 a loss of all civility when it comes to political discussions. 0:15:26.527 --> 0:15:29.447 So when I heard that, I just thought, exactly as 0:15:29.487 --> 0:15:32.687 you were saying, Holly, this it's a stupid thing to say. 0:15:33.447 --> 0:15:36.727 And I went down this rabbit hole of a bunch 0:15:36.767 --> 0:15:40.127 of Republicans saying, you know, this is what they're saying 0:15:40.167 --> 0:15:42.927 about us, And it had a compilation of things Democrats 0:15:42.967 --> 0:15:46.567 have said. I forgot about when Joe Biden said basically 0:15:46.647 --> 0:15:48.247 if we were in high school, I'd taken behind the 0:15:48.287 --> 0:15:50.727 gym and punched him in the face. About Donald Trump, 0:15:51.287 --> 0:15:55.007 there were people sitting on like round tables, like commentators 0:15:55.047 --> 0:15:57.367 in the US saying they're going to have to go 0:15:57.407 --> 0:15:59.047 out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's 0:15:59.087 --> 0:16:02.887 a fact. I forgot about Kathy Griffith's holding the the 0:16:02.927 --> 0:16:07.527 head decapitated head. I saw another video of Madonna and 0:16:07.607 --> 0:16:10.567 she was at a protest and she said, I have 0:16:10.647 --> 0:16:12.927 thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House 0:16:13.007 --> 0:16:16.247 with Donald Trump in it right. I thought about that tone. 0:16:16.927 --> 0:16:19.127 But Jesse, please follow up now with the list of 0:16:19.167 --> 0:16:21.887 all the things that the Republicans said, and the fact 0:16:21.887 --> 0:16:25.727 that the whole premise of Donald Trump's presidency is built 0:16:25.767 --> 0:16:28.327 on this kind of we're the oppressed, we're rising up, 0:16:28.367 --> 0:16:31.367 we're taking them out. Like my see Taylor Green, who's 0:16:31.407 --> 0:16:34.287 one of the most rabid MAGA senators, came out and 0:16:34.287 --> 0:16:37.767 immediately after the assassination and said Democrats language blah, and 0:16:37.807 --> 0:16:40.567 then there is literal footage of her holding a rocket 0:16:40.567 --> 0:16:44.527 blaster blowing up a car that says socialism. Like, mate, 0:16:44.647 --> 0:16:45.767 I'm with you, I'm with you. 0:16:45.807 --> 0:16:48.287 But we have been having this discussion about Republicans for 0:16:48.327 --> 0:16:51.487 eight years, since twenty sixteen. We had this watershed moment 0:16:51.527 --> 0:16:54.247 in twenty sixteen. Oh my goodness. We're not understanding each other. 0:16:54.247 --> 0:16:57.967 There's this divide. Everyone sees each other as enemies. And 0:16:58.007 --> 0:17:01.047 I don't think we've learned anything if we're using the 0:17:01.087 --> 0:17:03.407 same language and not doing a bit of a But I. 0:17:03.447 --> 0:17:05.967 Don't think that's what this was. Firstly, I don't think 0:17:06.007 --> 0:17:06.687 that's what this was. 0:17:06.727 --> 0:17:09.527 And secondly, I'm going to challenge you on this because 0:17:09.567 --> 0:17:14.727 I think that analogies and metaphors about war and guns. 0:17:15.447 --> 0:17:18.607 I've kind of ingrained in us right, Like just earlier, 0:17:19.167 --> 0:17:22.327 I made a comment shots fired when I was responding 0:17:22.327 --> 0:17:25.367 to someone in a meeting about who was being critical 0:17:25.407 --> 0:17:27.647 about something, and it was like, oh, shots fired. At 0:17:27.647 --> 0:17:30.807 the moment, that has a whole different meaning, because you know, 0:17:30.967 --> 0:17:33.527 Joe Biden did say talked about having something about a 0:17:33.527 --> 0:17:38.647 bull's eye. I think it's unfortunate language, and nobody wants this. 0:17:39.207 --> 0:17:41.447 I worry with this both sides. 0:17:41.127 --> 0:17:43.447 Ism that you seem to be leaning into, because I 0:17:43.487 --> 0:17:47.887 think that the person who brought the language down and 0:17:47.927 --> 0:17:51.767 the debate down in politics and in American politics is 0:17:51.807 --> 0:17:52.407 Donald Trump. 0:17:52.487 --> 0:17:52.687 Yeah. 0:17:52.727 --> 0:17:54.487 Absolutely, he was grabbing. 0:17:55.207 --> 0:17:56.727 He was mocking disabled people. 0:17:56.967 --> 0:17:59.607 He's been the ones talking about Hillary locker up, all 0:17:59.647 --> 0:18:02.727 of those kinds of things. He's encouraged that in his base, 0:18:03.327 --> 0:18:06.767 and he's the one that has pulled the public debate 0:18:06.807 --> 0:18:08.007 into the gutter and language. 0:18:08.007 --> 0:18:11.887 Absolutely, if we are to return political discourse to any 0:18:11.967 --> 0:18:15.487 state of civility, yep, then you can't have people standing 0:18:15.527 --> 0:18:17.487 at like in front of nine thousand people. Let's just 0:18:17.887 --> 0:18:20.447 to say that that was an unfortunate use of language. 0:18:20.767 --> 0:18:23.447 What gas did. He apologized for it. I actually don't. 0:18:23.527 --> 0:18:24.447 I think everyone says that. 0:18:25.207 --> 0:18:27.687 Just make the very clear one that he's not a politician. 0:18:28.207 --> 0:18:29.847 But wait, let's just think about what he's do. 0:18:29.927 --> 0:18:31.807 And he doesn't represent a party. 0:18:31.927 --> 0:18:33.887 But someone stood on if I went to a concert 0:18:33.927 --> 0:18:38.047 and someone stood on stage and said, basically, I think 0:18:38.247 --> 0:18:40.927 that if someone takes a shot at Anthony Albernezi, they 0:18:40.967 --> 0:18:43.167 should get in between the eyes so that he dies, 0:18:43.847 --> 0:18:47.527 I would be so horrified that this is about violence, 0:18:47.527 --> 0:18:50.047 that's not democracy, and that's what happened. 0:18:50.167 --> 0:18:52.727 Well, it is. You're right, and I think we've all said, 0:18:52.887 --> 0:18:55.847 stupid joke, don't do it. But it's I don't think 0:18:55.887 --> 0:18:59.687 it's really an example of you know, the discourse that's 0:18:59.727 --> 0:19:03.287 fallen into the toilet in political circles. These are not politicians, 0:19:03.367 --> 0:19:07.447 they don't represent politicians. These are comedians for making a stupid, 0:19:07.607 --> 0:19:09.767 ill timed, dumb joke that, as she said at the 0:19:09.807 --> 0:19:12.087 beginning of this, a lot of people are making. But 0:19:12.167 --> 0:19:13.607 he did it in the wrong place, wrong time. I'm 0:19:13.647 --> 0:19:15.447 not defending it like he shouldn't have done it. 0:19:15.767 --> 0:19:19.647 He's so very different making a joke that way, saying 0:19:20.287 --> 0:19:23.327 I hope someone does blah blah blah, or I wish 0:19:23.447 --> 0:19:26.567 someone had done blah blah blah. The context of it 0:19:27.007 --> 0:19:29.447