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Speaker 2: On his claim on Today's show a bad taste joke
Speaker 2: and calls for deportation. Who had Jack Black on their
Speaker 2: Bingo card for this week? Also Violet Affleck for president. Well, look,
Speaker 2: there are worse choices at this point. But why is
Speaker 2: everyone talking about Ben and Jen's biggest girl? And if
Speaker 2: you don't watch out, these women will be heal bosses.
Speaker 2: The TikTok trend that somehow connected us and Andrew take
Speaker 2: but first, Mia.
Speaker 4: In case you, mister Donald Trump has had a big week.
Speaker 4: There was, of course the attempt at assassination attempt on
Speaker 4: Saturday night, and yesterday he announced his pick for vice president.
Speaker 4: It is a man whose name you might remember.
Speaker 6: It is JD.
Speaker 4: Vance and he is thirty nine years old. And I
Speaker 4: know him because he wrote a best selling memoir in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen called hill Billy Elergy.
Speaker 3: Did you read it?
Speaker 6: I did?
Speaker 3: And is it good?
Speaker 6: It's really good.
Speaker 5: It's really good.
Speaker 4: So he grew up sort of dirt poor in a
Speaker 4: rural town in Middle America.
Speaker 3: The Appalachia.
Speaker 2: Yep, he did. And then he moved to Ohio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was a marine. He was in and
Speaker 4: out of trouble when got a law degree. He kind
Speaker 4: of was like a troubled kid made good when into finance.
Speaker 4: He's married with three young kids, and he went into
Speaker 4: politics a few years ago. He's currently I think a
Speaker 4: senator from Ohio. Ironically, he used to be a never Trumper,
Speaker 4: which is the name. There aren't very many of them
Speaker 4: left anymore, but the name for those Republicans who don't
Speaker 4: want Trump to.
Speaker 6: Be the leader of their party. So here's what he
Speaker 6: had to.
Speaker 4: Say around twenty sixteen during the campaign when Trump was
Speaker 4: running against Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 6: I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him.
Speaker 7: My current plan is to vote either third party, or,
Speaker 7: as I joked to my wife, I might write in
Speaker 7: my dog, because that's about as good as it seems.
Speaker 7: I think there's a chance if I feel like Trump
Speaker 7: has a really good chance of winning, that I might
Speaker 7: have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 4: But he met Trump in twenty twenty one, and look
Speaker 4: a romance clearly flourished. And here's what you need to
Speaker 4: know about where he stands now.
Speaker 1: Jd.
Speaker 4: Vance does not believe in abortion, even in the case
Speaker 4: of rape.
Speaker 6: Or incest.
Speaker 4: He does not believe in climate change, he does not
Speaker 4: believe in immigration, and he does not believe the US
Speaker 4: should support the Ukraine against Russia.
Speaker 3: Privately, in twenty sixteen, in a Facebook message to a friend,
Speaker 3: he also compared Trump to Hitler, So he was very
Speaker 3: anti Trump. But I had a friend who said to me,
Speaker 3: if the Republicans could have invented a vice president of
Speaker 3: this party in a lab, they've just invented him like
Speaker 3: he under Trump under Trump because he is half the
Speaker 3: age of both the running candidates. He's thirty nine years old,
Speaker 3: which is very young for politician. I think you can
Speaker 3: only be president after thirty five. So there are a
Speaker 3: few states that again decide this election, which I think
Speaker 3: you were saying just the other day. He appeals to
Speaker 3: them perfectly, refer to themselves, forgotten people, white, middle class angry.
Speaker 3: He is them, like this is going to play well.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: Except so the thing that's interesting to hear you just
Speaker 2: said he's the person who design in a lab. He's
Speaker 2: actually not the safe choice. A lot of the commentary
Speaker 2: was saying that there were much more experienced people who
Speaker 2: would have been a good balance to Trump. Of course,
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't want that, and also that actually he might
Speaker 2: be a bit of a challenger to Trump, which Trump
Speaker 2: does not like. Right. Trump does not want to share
Speaker 2: the spotlight, so that'll be interesting. But also some of
Speaker 2: the mega faithful are confused by him because he's married
Speaker 2: to the daughter of Indian immigrants and his children have
Speaker 2: what they term Indian names. Right now, this is for
Speaker 2: that particular part of politics. I've already seen the narrative
Speaker 2: that's like, he's not going to be our defender. How
Speaker 2: can he defend wide America when he's not white. But
Speaker 2: the thing is is that in other quarters that will
Speaker 2: play really well for him because he also represents a
Speaker 2: very multicultural nation. So he's kind of a risky, slightly
Speaker 2: edgy choice in some ways, but a dangerous guy. And
Speaker 2: I always think the most dangerous people in the world
Speaker 2: are the ones who don't really believe things but will
Speaker 2: just swing with the time. We often talk about changing
Speaker 2: your mind as a politician or anybody, and it should
Speaker 2: be encouraged because you know, we make statements. I do
Speaker 2: it all the time about things, and then you learn
Speaker 2: more and you go, oh, I was wrong. Strong opinions
Speaker 2: loosely so the generous take on the fact that he
Speaker 2: used to be a never Trumper who called Trump hitler.
Speaker 2: The generous take is that he's learned more and he's
Speaker 2: changed his mind. But the more cynical take is that
Speaker 2: like many other Republicans, he's just swallowing whatever it will
Speaker 2: take to get him close to power, and those people
Speaker 2: are the most dangerous people in the world.
Speaker 3: He's an opportunist.
Speaker 2: Noman's Trump next Time.
Speaker 3: On Sunday night, a musician named Kyle Gass made a
Speaker 3: five word joke on stage that would lead to calls
Speaker 3: for deportation, a public apology by his bandmate, and ultimately
Speaker 3: end their tour of Australia. So if you don't recognize
Speaker 3: that name, Kyle Gass and Jack Black, who you might
Speaker 3: know from School of Rock and Kung Fu Panda who
Speaker 3: was recently here promoting Kung Fu Panda four. They make
Speaker 3: up a comedy rock duo called Tenacious D. Their most
Speaker 3: famous songs were Tribute and Greatest Song in the World,
Speaker 3: which were early two thousands hits. Anyway, they're at Sydney's
Speaker 3: ICC Theater, about nine thousand people in attendance. Tenacious D
Speaker 3: were performing and Jack Black asked his bandmate if he
Speaker 3: had a birthday wish, which is what you just heard there,
Speaker 3: and he says, don't miss Trump next time. Referring to
Speaker 3: the assassination attempt over the weekend, Senator Ralph Babbitt, an
Speaker 3: Australian politician and member of the United Australia Party, called
Speaker 3: for Black and Gas's visas to be revoked and for
Speaker 3: both band members to be deported immediately. Anything less than
Speaker 3: a deportation is an endorsement of the shooting and the
Speaker 3: attempted assassin of Donald Trump, he said. Just hours before
Speaker 3: their Newcastle show was due to start, Tenacious D announced
Speaker 3: the show was canceled, which was followed by a statement
Speaker 3: by Jack Black. He said, I was blindsided by what
Speaker 3: was said on the show on Sunday. I would never
Speaker 3: condone hate speech or encourage political violence in any form.
Speaker 3: After much reflection, I no longer feel it is appropriate
Speaker 3: to continue the Tenacious D tour and all future creative
Speaker 3: plans are on hold. I am grateful to the fans
Speaker 3: for their support and understanding. Gas then released his own
Speaker 3: statement very similar. He said he improvised on stage and
Speaker 3: what he said was highly inappropriate, dangerous and a terrible mistake.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth being frank in this segment that
Speaker 3: that was a joke that was uttered in a lot
Speaker 3: of private circles over the weekend. Trump himself has incited
Speaker 3: political violence. Many people around the world see him as
Speaker 3: this existential threat to democracy. But Gas did not make
Speaker 3: his joke at a private dinner table. And if a
Speaker 3: different artist had joked about assassinating a politician we all liked,
Speaker 3: then I think we'd probably be horrified, and potentially some
Speaker 3: of us would have the same response as Senator Babbitt mea,
Speaker 3: what do you make of calls to deport the pair?
Speaker 4: I think deportation is ridiculous, and calls for it are
Speaker 4: just really opportunistic and virtue signaling and just silly, just silly.
Speaker 3: Frankly, like it got the attention, the letter got the
Speaker 3: attention of Elon Musk, so it's like it's a call
Speaker 3: for just generating story big ye.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4: And I think we're increasingly seeing this when people pull
Speaker 4: focus on situations to make it about themselves, and Elong
Speaker 4: Musk is one of those people, you know. Not long
Speaker 4: after the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, he brought attention
Speaker 4: back to himself by endorsing him for president, like within
Speaker 4: about thirty minutes of that happening. So I think that
Speaker 4: we're often seeing this. People are being an opportunistic and
Speaker 4: using the misfortune of others, or the mistakes of others,
Speaker 4: or you know, the wrongdoing of others in many cases
Speaker 4: to put themselves in the center of the conversation. And
Speaker 4: I think that's what this is. I think that jokes
Speaker 4: don't always land. We've learned that at airports, that there
Speaker 4: are some jokes that just you just have to be
Speaker 4: very careful. And of course, the first thing I thought
Speaker 4: about with the Dixie Chicks, who were canceled before canceled
Speaker 4: culture before even the Internet. In two thousand and three,
Speaker 4: the Internet was around, but social media wasn't around. They
Speaker 4: criticized George W. Bush's war in Iraq, which is kind
Speaker 4: of quaint now because a lot of people criticized that
Speaker 4: war at the time and afterwards, but back then it
Speaker 4: was seen as being very unpatriotic, and they never recovered
Speaker 4: one of the three women in the Dixie Chicks. It
Speaker 4: was like a country band said it, and they pretty
Speaker 4: much lost their career after that. Natalie Mainz at the
Speaker 4: time said in a concert also to their audience, just
Speaker 4: so you know, we're on the good side with y'all.
Speaker 4: We do not want this war, this violence, and we're
Speaker 4: ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.
Speaker 3: What's interesting about that example is that the three of
Speaker 3: them banded together and stood.
Speaker 4: By what was said right by one of them by.
Speaker 3: One of them in this Do we think that Jack
Speaker 3: Black has thrown his mate under the bus, that he
Speaker 3: has betrayed his bandmate by coming out and saying I
Speaker 3: don't endorse it.
Speaker 2: I do think that, But I also think that Kyle
Speaker 2: Gass probably knows that Jack Black had no choice. So
Speaker 2: they've been mates for decades, right. They were like mates
Speaker 2: when they were struggling actors together, and then Jack Black
Speaker 2: did High Fidelity in School of Rock and became like
Speaker 2: a massive star, and he and Kyle Gass have been
Speaker 2: in this band ever since then. They've literally been doing
Speaker 2: this for thirty years, so they know each other pretty well. Right,
Speaker 2: It's not surprising what their politics are. They've spoken out
Speaker 2: about Trump lots of times. They're doing a whole lot
Speaker 2: of Rock the Vote concerts in America over the summer
Speaker 2: in the autumn. Like the people in that stadium would
Speaker 2: have been middle aged, left leaning, paunchy rockers. Right, massive generalization.
Speaker 2: Apologies to anyone listening who was in that audience and
Speaker 2: doesn't fit the metal, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like broadly speaking, and I doubt that very few of
Speaker 2: them would have been shocked to hear what they heard.
Speaker 2: But of course the context changes immediately when it's taken
Speaker 2: out of there and shown around the world. I was
Speaker 2: surprised that Jack Black made that statement, but I also
Speaker 2: can see how in this particular climate, he has no choice.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the same as the Dixie Chicks,
Speaker 2: because I think that the reason that that was so
Speaker 2: damaging for the Dixie Chicks was because of who their
Speaker 2: fan base were, and they were a much bigger deal
Speaker 2: and who really gives a shit what Kyle gastinks about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump? And they also weren't joking. No, they weren't joking.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a very different environment. It will
Speaker 2: be really interesting to see how many legs this has
Speaker 2: got and how Actually one of the reasons why it
Speaker 2: was a really stupid thing to do is that one
Speaker 2: of the absolute cornerstones of MAGA philosophy and world belief
Speaker 2: is that Hollywood and music and basically culture is full
Speaker 2: of lefties who are elites who scoff at, you know,
Speaker 2: the real people, and this just plays into that. So
Speaker 2: nobody's surprised when Hollywood actors or musicians or whatever say
Speaker 2: I don't like Trump. I'm a Democrat. It kind of hands,
Speaker 2: for want of a lesson, sundry word, ammunition to the
Speaker 2: other side, right, So it was a stupid thing to do.
Speaker 2: But I agree with Mia that I think that the
Speaker 2: politicians who are jumping on this and calling for deportation,
Speaker 2: it's virtue signaling and it's canceled culture from a corner
Speaker 2: who normally say they hate that, who normally say, we're
Speaker 2: all about free speech. Yeah, are you that?
Speaker 4: I also thought it was interesting Kevin rad who's the
Speaker 4: Australian ambassador to the US, released a statement saying it's repugnant.
Speaker 4: It makes him physically ill any threat of physical violence,
Speaker 4: and he said that these men should grow up and
Speaker 4: get a real.
Speaker 5: Job, mate, which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm conflicted, right because on the one hand, I like
Speaker 3: freedom of speech, and I like that you can make
Speaker 3: a joke, and I like that you can make a
Speaker 3: joke that offends people. I think that's your right. On
Speaker 3: the other hand, I have this real discomfort, as we
Speaker 3: were talking about on Monday, with where the tone of
Speaker 3: the debate and the temperature of the debate is and
Speaker 3: a loss of all civility when it comes to political discussions.
Speaker 3: So when I heard that, I just thought, exactly as
Speaker 3: you were saying, Holly, this it's a stupid thing to say.
Speaker 3: And I went down this rabbit hole of a bunch
Speaker 3: of Republicans saying, you know, this is what they're saying
Speaker 3: about us, And it had a compilation of things Democrats
Speaker 3: have said. I forgot about when Joe Biden said basically
Speaker 3: if we were in high school, I'd taken behind the
Speaker 3: gym and punched him in the face. About Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: there were people sitting on like round tables, like commentators
Speaker 3: in the US saying they're going to have to go
Speaker 3: out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's
Speaker 3: a fact. I forgot about Kathy Griffith's holding the the
Speaker 3: head decapitated head. I saw another video of Madonna and
Speaker 3: she was at a protest and she said, I have
Speaker 3: thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump in it right. I thought about that tone.
Speaker 2: But Jesse, please follow up now with the list of
Speaker 2: all the things that the Republicans said, and the fact
Speaker 2: that the whole premise of Donald Trump's presidency is built
Speaker 2: on this kind of we're the oppressed, we're rising up,
Speaker 2: we're taking them out. Like my see Taylor Green, who's
Speaker 2: one of the most rabid MAGA senators, came out and
Speaker 2: immediately after the assassination and said Democrats language blah, and
Speaker 2: then there is literal footage of her holding a rocket
Speaker 2: blaster blowing up a car that says socialism. Like, mate,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: But we have been having this discussion about Republicans for
Speaker 3: eight years, since twenty sixteen. We had this watershed moment
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. Oh my goodness. We're not understanding each other.
Speaker 3: There's this divide. Everyone sees each other as enemies. And
Speaker 3: I don't think we've learned anything if we're using the
Speaker 3: same language and not doing a bit of a But I.
Speaker 5: Don't think that's what this was. Firstly, I don't think
Speaker 5: that's what this was.
Speaker 4: And secondly, I'm going to challenge you on this because
Speaker 4: I think that analogies and metaphors about war and guns.
Speaker 4: I've kind of ingrained in us right, Like just earlier,
Speaker 4: I made a comment shots fired when I was responding
Speaker 4: to someone in a meeting about who was being critical
Speaker 4: about something, and it was like, oh, shots fired. At
Speaker 4: the moment, that has a whole different meaning, because you know,
Speaker 4: Joe Biden did say talked about having something about a
Speaker 4: bull's eye. I think it's unfortunate language, and nobody wants this.
Speaker 6: I worry with this both sides.
Speaker 4: Ism that you seem to be leaning into, because I
Speaker 4: think that the person who brought the language down and
Speaker 4: the debate down in politics and in American politics is
Speaker 4: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he was grabbing.
Speaker 6: He was mocking disabled people.
Speaker 4: He's been the ones talking about Hillary locker up, all
Speaker 4: of those kinds of things. He's encouraged that in his base,
Speaker 4: and he's the one that has pulled the public debate
Speaker 4: into the gutter and language.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, if we are to return political discourse to any
Speaker 3: state of civility, yep, then you can't have people standing
Speaker 3: at like in front of nine thousand people. Let's just
Speaker 3: to say that that was an unfortunate use of language.
Speaker 3: What gas did. He apologized for it. I actually don't.
Speaker 3: I think everyone says that.
Speaker 2: Just make the very clear one that he's not a politician.
Speaker 3: But wait, let's just think about what he's do.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't represent a party.
Speaker 3: But someone stood on if I went to a concert
Speaker 3: and someone stood on stage and said, basically, I think
Speaker 3: that if someone takes a shot at Anthony Albernezi, they
Speaker 3: should get in between the eyes so that he dies,
Speaker 3: I would be so horrified that this is about violence,
Speaker 3: that's not democracy, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Well, it is. You're right, and I think we've all said,
Speaker 2: stupid joke, don't do it. But it's I don't think
Speaker 2: it's really an example of you know, the discourse that's
Speaker 2: fallen into the toilet in political circles. These are not politicians,
Speaker 2: they don't represent politicians. These are comedians for making a stupid,
Speaker 2: ill timed, dumb joke that, as she said at the
Speaker 2: beginning of this, a lot of people are making. But
Speaker 2: he did it in the wrong place, wrong time. I'm
Speaker 2: not defending it like he shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 4: He's so very different making a joke that way, saying
Speaker 4: I hope someone does blah blah blah, or I wish
Speaker 4: someone had done blah blah blah. The context of it
Speaker 4: was and I'm not saying it was a smart thing
Speaker 4: to do, but I'm saying the context of a joke
Speaker 4: versus something said like is a threat or a statement
Speaker 4: is different.
Speaker 3: Yes, But as soon as I heard this, right, remember
Speaker 3: Milo Yanapolis, I do he was and Andrew Tape figured
Speaker 3: Stroud is. I went for a story to go and
Speaker 3: hear him, probably six or seven years ago. It was
Speaker 3: terrifying that night, right, and I went in and he
Speaker 3: had a prominent feminist and he put her face up
Speaker 3: on the screen and people oinked, and then he said
Speaker 3: something that was I think unequivocally inciting violence, and I
Speaker 3: was horrified. I was scared. I wanted to get out
Speaker 3: of it. I don't agree with Milo Yeanapolis broadly. I
Speaker 3: probably agree with the politics of gas. I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to think that if you didn't agree.
Speaker 4: But again, you've just said that's a threat versus a joke.
Speaker 3: My point is maloy Yianapolis would have said it was
Speaker 3: a joke. We're all having a life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and you know, you know
Speaker 2: who he works for now these days where he's just resigned.
Speaker 2: Actually Kanye West anyway, fun fact, I agree with you,
Speaker 2: but again, that was a political meeting in lots of ways,
Speaker 2: that's what Milo Yanapolis dotes. And also he was allowed
Speaker 2: in and they didn't ban his visa. No, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of protests around, but there were I
Speaker 2: know what you're trying to say. It's trying to say, look,
Speaker 2: we're a bit hypocritical here. We're going like, if I
Speaker 2: agree with it, it's kind of fine. If I don't,
Speaker 2: then he should be thrown out of the country. I
Speaker 2: totally understand that. But I also think I have been
Speaker 2: to a lot of comedy shows where people say offensive shit.
Speaker 2: Am I willing to sit there and pay my money
Speaker 2: to do that? Maybe I am, Maybe I'm not. That's
Speaker 2: my choice. I just think this hole he should be deported.
Speaker 2: The visas and this is an example of the of
Speaker 2: exactly why Trump was shot is a massive overreach.
Speaker 3: No, I'm with you on that. I don't think he
Speaker 3: should be deported. But I do think that Trump is
Speaker 3: about to be the next president of the United States,
Speaker 3: and if we keep representing him and all his supporters
Speaker 3: as these degenerates and speaking in ways that are incredibly disrespectful.
Speaker 3: This isn't working, This current discourse isn't working, so we probably.
Speaker 4: To a basket of deplorables. Did not work that well
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton, as we discovered. But in terms of Tenacious D,
Speaker 4: and to just finish that off, the Dixie Chicks could
Speaker 4: never outrun that. They ended up having to change their name.
Speaker 4: They're now called the Chicks.
Speaker 3: And they wrote that a great song.
Speaker 4: But my point is that I think Tenacious D will
Speaker 4: struggle to continue in this form because Americans don't have
Speaker 4: a sense.
Speaker 6: Of human which is ironic that they have no sense of.
Speaker 4: Humor or no leeway when it comes to threatening an
Speaker 4: elected official and the president and those kinds of things.
Speaker 6: And yet it's such a gun culture.
Speaker 2: Hell, I have a new hero. She's eighteen. She grew
Speaker 2: up in Los Angeles, California, and Jalo is her stepmom.
Speaker 2: Meet Violet Affleck, who is currently having a moment as
Speaker 2: a hero of the long COVID community and single handedly
Speaker 2: being a magnanimous Switzerland in her dad's new strongly rumored divorce. Confused,
Speaker 2: let me explain. I'll get the gossip out of the
Speaker 2: way first. On the weekend, Violet Affleck, who is obviously
Speaker 2: the oldest child of Ben Affleck and jen Ghana. She
Speaker 2: looks so much like she exactly like Jen Ganna and
Speaker 2: glasses like exactly. It is amazing. On the weekend, she
Speaker 2: was photographed hanging out with her stepmom Jalo in the Hamptons.
Speaker 2: On the same day, her dad was photographed in La
Speaker 2: on his motorbike. So obviously all the paparazzi informed salutes
Speaker 2: have deduced that Jlo is getting violent in the split.
Speaker 2: Maybe she is, I don't know. But also the reason
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about Violet Affleck is because on July the ninth,
Speaker 2: she appeared at a local LA government assembly and she's
Speaker 2: about the importance of mask mandates in public spaces, and
Speaker 2: she spoke about the danger of the so called mask
Speaker 2: bands that are proposed in some American states. And I'll
Speaker 2: get to those in a minute. First, here's what Violet
Speaker 2: Afflecks said.
Speaker 1: Hi, Violet Affleic, Los Angeles resident, first time voter AM eighteen.
Speaker 1: I contracted a post virile condition in twenty nineteen. I'm
Speaker 1: okay now, but I saw firsthand that medicine does not
Speaker 1: always have answers to the consequences of even minor viruses.
Speaker 1: The COVID nineteen pandemic has thrown the end of Sharper relief.
Speaker 1: One in ten infections leads to long COVID, which is
Speaker 1: a devastating neurological cardiovascular illness that can take away people's
Speaker 1: ability to work, move, see, and even thinks. Stands to
Speaker 1: exacerbate our homelessness crisis as well as the suffering of
Speaker 1: many people in our city. A hits communities of color,
Speaker 1: disabled people, elderly people, transpuple women, and anyone in a
Speaker 1: public facing essential job the hardest to confront a long
Speaker 1: COVID crisis. I demand mask availability, air filtration and far
Speaker 1: UVC light in government facilities, including jails and detention setters,
Speaker 1: and mask mandates in county medical facilities. We must expand
Speaker 1: the availability of high quality, free in treatment. And most importantly,
Speaker 1: the county must oppose mask fans for any reason. They
Speaker 1: do not keep us safer. They make vulnerable members of
Speaker 1: our community less safe and make everyone less able to
Speaker 1: participate in Los Angeles together. Thank you.
Speaker 2: First of all, how cute is that, how nervous she is.
Speaker 2: She has prepared this amazing speech that she wants to say,
Speaker 2: and you can tell as she's breathing and talking really
Speaker 2: fast that she is eighteen, and she is like shitting herself.
Speaker 4: She also knows that people have a short concentrations fan
Speaker 4: so frankly I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I knew you would.
Speaker 2: Now, people who look at paparazzi images clearly that's not us.
Speaker 2: Clearly it's not us. They're awful, etc. Have noticed for
Speaker 2: years now that Violet always wears a professional grade mask
Speaker 2: when she's out in public with her mum and her dad,
Speaker 2: are siblings, whatever, and.
Speaker 4: Her always thought that that was that she would have
Speaker 4: some privacy because when you've got the paparazzi following you,
Speaker 4: as they have particularly lately, but since they were little
Speaker 4: kids to you know, school concerts and everywhere, just going
Speaker 4: to the shops whenever she's with her parents, and now
Speaker 4: even when she's not, she gets photographed. So I actually
Speaker 4: thought it was an ingenious idea, but I was so
Speaker 4: interested to see that's not why she does it.
Speaker 2: Her appearance at that meeting confirmed what people who notice
Speaker 2: such things, who are largely in the long COVID community,
Speaker 2: have long believed. She's passionate about this issue because she
Speaker 2: herself has experienced long COVID. Now, obviously she hasn't been
Speaker 2: specific in discussing exactly what's happened to her, but she
Speaker 2: says in there that she suffered from it. Now just
Speaker 2: to explain the mask bands that she was talking about,
Speaker 2: and the reason that she stood up in that meeting
Speaker 2: is that in some places in the US, including LA
Speaker 2: and New York City, there are proposals to reinstate old
Speaker 2: historic laws that made it illegal for people and particularly
Speaker 2: groups of people to cover their faces in public, and
Speaker 2: some of the impetus for this has come from the
Speaker 2: recent unrest around the anti war protests. So those in
Speaker 2: favor of banning masks and face coverings say that criminals
Speaker 2: and violent protesters are hiding their identities in public, and
Speaker 2: those who are against the mask bounds say that banning
Speaker 2: masks poses a severe risk to public safety, and Violet
Speaker 2: Affleck is on that team. Jesse, are you impressed that
Speaker 2: she's using her adjacent celebrity to help highlight something she
Speaker 2: believes in.
Speaker 3: I am impressed, and I think the mask conversation is
Speaker 3: fascinating because the mask has become a signifier for a
Speaker 3: time everyone wants to forget, So COVID was something I
Speaker 3: feel it In Australia for a lot of people, it
Speaker 3: meant not seeing family for years, It meant kids that
Speaker 3: could barely leave their homes. It might have meant illness,
Speaker 3: it might have meant lost jobs. Like it was a
Speaker 3: time that was collective trauma, collective trauma. Right, And so
Speaker 3: when we see a mask, I think it is almost
Speaker 3: like a deeply human thing that you go, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's over. It's over, that's behind us, Like there's that
Speaker 3: sort of thing happening triggered even. Yeah, And what's really
Speaker 3: difficult for the long COVID community and what's difficult with
Speaker 3: invisible illness because a lot of the symptoms are invisible
Speaker 3: in the same way that chronic fatigue has always been
Speaker 3: a hard illness to get people excited about and interested in,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people go tiredness, yeah, oh and
Speaker 3: go to bed. Yeah, Like people aren't good at that.
Speaker 3: The thing with invisible illness, what you need is attention,
Speaker 3: and no one wants to talk about COVID. And in
Speaker 3: order to even fix it, you need funding, which needs attention,
Speaker 3: which you can't get.
Speaker 4: But it's surely about anybody who's in me no compromise, right,
Speaker 4: It's not just about people getting long COVID. It's you know,
Speaker 4: if you're having chemo, if you've got a compromise immune
Speaker 4: system in any way, you'll struggle and you want to
Speaker 4: really try to avoid not just getting COVID, but getting
Speaker 4: the flu and getting all the other things that go around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you see a lot of people still
Speaker 3: wearing masks at airports. So I originally saw this story
Speaker 3: and went go violent, affleck, I cannot believe that they
Speaker 3: trying to outlaw masks. And then I went deeper on
Speaker 3: the story and it's actually quite interesting.
Speaker 6: I felt so too.
Speaker 2: It is, but I've done my research too. But it's
Speaker 2: like there is a difference between a COVID mask and
Speaker 2: a face covering, right. So a lot of the discussion
Speaker 2: around these mask bands are saying that, right because in
Speaker 2: lots of states of the US and in places in
Speaker 2: Australian in fact, it's a legal to cover your face
Speaker 2: in certain situations if you walk into a bank, take
Speaker 2: off your motorcycle helmet. Like some states in America have
Speaker 2: outlawed ski masks in public, for example, which seems sensible.
Speaker 6: But there is a difference, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then at the beginning of this conversation, Meyer said
Speaker 3: I thought she was wearing a mask to obscure her
Speaker 3: identity so that she didn't get recognized for being famous. Right,
Speaker 3: I needed to look at images because the New York
Speaker 3: and the LA thing is actually run by Democrats, because
Speaker 3: I went, if this is a Republican thing where they're
Speaker 3: just going take your mask off, because they were always
Speaker 3: antique COVID.
Speaker 4: A mask is really just an avatar for progressive because
Speaker 4: the thing is, understand we're talking about American politics so much,
Speaker 4: but what's interesting about masks is that nowhere else did
Speaker 4: masks become such a political symbol, so that like, if
Speaker 4: you were a Democrat, you were pro vaccination and pro
Speaker 4: mask in the height of the pandemic, and if you
Speaker 4: were a Republican you weren't.
Speaker 6: And somehow I'm generalizing, but that's it.
Speaker 3: Kind of it became political. But then I was having
Speaker 3: a look at some of these protests, and some of
Speaker 3: them have had instances of violence, right, And when you
Speaker 3: look at it, we're talking a guy Fawkes mask, like
Speaker 3: a full mask where you can't see their face as
Speaker 3: a non mask, and what I saw as well was
Speaker 3: a COVID mask. But then wearing something over your hair
Speaker 3: as well, you know, for example, in a lot of
Speaker 3: the Palestinian rallies, they might have something over their head
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 6: A hat or a scarf around their heads.
Speaker 3: So if you've got a mask and you've also got yeah,
Speaker 3: hash or something, then in terms of protesting, I do
Speaker 3: believe there was a really good quote from one of
Speaker 3: the Democrats in New York who basically said, like doctor
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King did not hide his face when he
Speaker 3: marched and for the things he thought were wrong in
Speaker 3: the country, those civil rights leaders did not hide their faces.
Speaker 3: They stood up. In contrast to that, the clan hid
Speaker 3: their faces. So what they're trying to say is if
Speaker 3: you protest, you've got to have your face to it,
Speaker 3: because the disorder that occurs when people are anonymous not
Speaker 3: good not good, which I kind of agree with. But
Speaker 3: then I think that the people wearing masks for the
Speaker 3: reasons of health are very different people wearing.
Speaker 2: Won't work. And the likes of violent Affleck are talking
Speaker 2: about it right because, as you said at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this, the thing that really challenged for the long
Speaker 2: COVID community, if there is such a thing as community,
Speaker 2: but is that, as you say, we want to talk
Speaker 2: about COVID in the past tense. We want to pretend
Speaker 2: it's gone away, But for people who have suffered really
Speaker 2: seriously with COVID, and there are lots and lots of
Speaker 2: them whose lives have been appended, it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 2: So the point they're trying to make, and whether violent
Speaker 2: Affleck is trying to make, is that with every infection
Speaker 2: you increase the risk of this happening, a larger and
Speaker 2: larger group of people are going to get seriously ill.
Speaker 2: So you know, when she's talking about we need better
Speaker 2: filtration in public buildings, we need mask mandates back in
Speaker 2: medical centers, those kind of things. Is it's basically a
Speaker 2: group of people who are saying, hey, take it seriously
Speaker 2: and don't conflate with hand concerns with vandalism and crime.
Speaker 3: It's also that group of people. It's a feminist issue,
Speaker 3: right because long COVID disproportionately affects women and older women,
Speaker 3: which are people that we generally don't give too much
Speaker 3: of a shit about and too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought this was such an interesting story and
Speaker 4: I loved it because it challenges you. You straight away
Speaker 4: you go, oh, I know which side I'm on, and
Speaker 4: then you go, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Two things can be true.
Speaker 4: Dare I say I never knew there was ever any
Speaker 4: consideration of banning people wearing masks. I can see where
Speaker 4: two very different groups and their motivation for wanting masks
Speaker 4: banned are very different.
Speaker 3: Because the Australian Olympic team.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because there are some people who want masks
Speaker 2: banned for other reasons, and you saw that in the commentary.
Speaker 2: So some of the Australian athletes have arrived in Paris
Speaker 2: and the first selfie that they posted, they had their
Speaker 2: masks on at the airport. Now, as you said before me,
Speaker 2: are still lots and lots of people.
Speaker 6: Doing our tour.
Speaker 4: I wore masks and this is even before two of
Speaker 4: our production crew got COVID when we flew to Brisbane.
Speaker 4: But I was very conscious when I was wearing masks,
Speaker 4: and I was going to ask, you, guys, what do
Speaker 4: you think when you see people wearing masks? I had
Speaker 4: to reassure the person next to me. I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I don't have COVID. I'm worried about getting COVID because
Speaker 4: usually when.
Speaker 6: I see it. Now, for a while, I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: they've got COVID.
Speaker 2: Well, I generally think that that person is probably really
Speaker 2: cautious about getting COVID, and I often think it's for
Speaker 2: the reasons that we've just been discussing. So there are
Speaker 2: some people who are much more, much more COVID aware
Speaker 2: still than others, and they're often the people who have
Speaker 2: experienced really serious implications. Do you think the thing about
Speaker 2: the Olympic team, Sorry, just to finish that story, is
Speaker 2: that so they posted the pictures of themselves with the
Speaker 2: masks on, and a certain amount of the commentary came
Speaker 2: not from people who were worried about them covering their
Speaker 2: identity in case they're going to commit crime, but to
Speaker 2: point out that Australia is such a nation of snowflakes.
Speaker 2: How ridiculous is this? Because is still a political undertone
Speaker 2: about mask wearing in some quarters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, don't be such a pussy wif you've got
Speaker 4: a mask on.
Speaker 3: Because I'm an Olympian, I don't want to get COVID
Speaker 3: before my rain.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that because before COVID, certainly in some Asian cultures,
Speaker 4: when you're sick, you wear a mask, right, which is
Speaker 4: we understood masks to have a double benefit. It prevents
Speaker 4: you from spreading, and it prevents you from receiving germs,
Speaker 4: and so I think it's interesting you see it now
Speaker 4: whole that the only people wear it wear it to
Speaker 4: protect themselves. Do you think people wear it when they're sick?
Speaker 4: I mean, my parents recently had to travel when they
Speaker 4: had at the end of COVID, and they wore it
Speaker 4: because they didn't want to give their germs to anybody.
Speaker 5: Do you think people do that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do that because I have to say, even
Speaker 2: though I'm super sympathetic to this sort of invisible community
Speaker 2: of people, I am not as diligent as I think
Speaker 2: I should be in public spaces wearing masks. But the
Speaker 2: time that I'll definitely do it is if I'm sick.
Speaker 2: When we were traveling a little bit, I had a
Speaker 2: cold and it wasn't COVID. I tested a minals in times,
Speaker 2: but I was very weary at those times of wearing
Speaker 2: a mask in a taxi, wearing a mask every time
Speaker 2: we were anywhere, because I was like, it's funny because
Speaker 2: sometimes it's about what you're so social. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like virtue signaling in a way. I know that's a
Speaker 2: pejorative term, but because you're kind of like I do
Speaker 2: care about not giving it you.
Speaker 6: I appreciated it.
Speaker 4: I knew we were sitting in a lot of back
Speaker 4: of ubers together, and I really appreciated that you were
Speaker 4: a mask because I knew that you're sick and we
Speaker 4: were all trying so hard not to get sick.
Speaker 5: So no, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: What do you think what about the Violet Affleck of
Speaker 2: it all? Because often celebrity offspring they go one of
Speaker 2: two ways that are either like completely hiding from any
Speaker 2: kind of attention or they are straight into the movies
Speaker 2: and the modeling contracts. Oh no, this is a very
Speaker 2: do you think this is a very righteous way to
Speaker 2: use your I liked it.
Speaker 4: I mean I think she did it as a citizen,
Speaker 4: not as a as an adult of celebrity. And everything
Speaker 4: that I've read about this, I don't know if strings
Speaker 4: were pulled to get her to be able to speak.
Speaker 4: But Ben Affleck did an interview recently where he talked
Speaker 4: about one of his children and who is a socialist
Speaker 4: and who challenges him on everything, and how much he
Speaker 4: enjoys being challenged by his teenage children.
Speaker 3: I think this was a great way to caught attention
Speaker 3: about something that is very difficult to make sexy.
Speaker 2: She was in the Hampton's photos with j Lo, also
Speaker 2: wearing a long COVID T shirt, so she knows exactly
Speaker 2: what she's doing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, smart girl.
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Speaker 4: Set jeans are really nice.
Speaker 6: Top jeans and are really nice. Stop jeans and are
Speaker 6: really nice.
Speaker 4: Stopken phone saves a broken phone. Okay, out loud, I'm
Speaker 4: going to explain something to you like your five, because
Speaker 4: it is confusing.
Speaker 2: Not to patronize, but to assist.
Speaker 4: I needed it explained to me like I was five
Speaker 4: at the beginning of all this, So I am amongst
Speaker 4: the confused. What you just heard is us and that
Speaker 4: was my idea. Yesterday we posted to Muma mer outlaud
Speaker 4: socials our version of a TikTok trend that is going viral.
Speaker 6: It started with these.
Speaker 4: Women in the UK who were on a night out
Speaker 4: and they just started doing these hype girl chants sort
Speaker 4: of describing what they were wearing all their personalities.
Speaker 6: Here was the og boops is back bun.
Speaker 2: Boops islet back bunch coboat boots and the blowy cobo
Speaker 2: boots and the blowy Sam was.
Speaker 6: A little red bag. Sala was it a little red bag?
Speaker 3: So they have a lot more rhythm, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 4: So they were like describing their uniform like they're going
Speaker 4: out uniform. So it was like Sam is in a
Speaker 4: little red bag, boots and a slick backbun, and so
Speaker 4: that became the thing, right, So I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I had to read an article to understand what that was.
Speaker 4: And then on the weekend I saw that Amy Poehler
Speaker 4: did one with Rachel Dratch and another well known comedian,
Speaker 4: and here's their version.
Speaker 3: Sent a black short dress. Oh, send a black short
Speaker 3: dress and a kashmere shirt. Pony in a kashmere shirt.
Speaker 6: Some of it a little blue bead. So you get
Speaker 6: the idea.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 4: What a surprise, and so then I said, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: we should do this and be cool, and we did.
Speaker 4: And do you know who doesn't like it? Yeah, loud
Speaker 4: as a lot of you said that it was pathetic
Speaker 4: and creed cringe, which is the worst thing you can.
Speaker 3: And you're desperate to make content where we all looked
Speaker 3: at each other and we went they we are desperate
Speaker 3: to make You are totally right.
Speaker 4: But the person who doesn't like it the most is
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate. He does not like the women doing the
Speaker 4: TikTok dancers because there was yet another I mean, this
Speaker 4: is what viral means. I'm not going to play you
Speaker 4: every version of this that's ever been done, because that's
Speaker 4: what a viral trend is on TikTok. But there's an
Speaker 4: Australian business called TBH Skincare and they did their own.
Speaker 2: Okay, so and you.
Speaker 4: Tate reposted that video and wrote on social media, if
Speaker 4: you do not escape the matrix, women like.
Speaker 6: This will be your boss.
Speaker 4: Zogcorp loves emasculating men by forcing them to listen to
Speaker 4: semi sentient females. If that doesn't motivate you to get rich,
Speaker 4: nothing will. And then, of course what happens is that
Speaker 4: everybody was very reasonable about that.
Speaker 6: Just kidding.
Speaker 4: All of his commenters, no doubt death threats to those
Speaker 4: poor women, and many suggested that the young workers should
Speaker 4: get back in the kitchen. Another commenter claimed this was
Speaker 4: proof the gender pay gap should be reinstated, which was
Speaker 4: very interesting news to us, because the gender pay gap
Speaker 4: in Australia is very much alive and well and is
Speaker 4: sitting at twenty one point seven percent according to the
Speaker 4: Workplace Gender Equality Agency. We spoke about on Monday's show
Speaker 4: Katie Perry her saying that her Woman's World video click
Speaker 4: with satire, and we said, but it's not funny.
Speaker 5: Is this our Katie Perry moment?
Speaker 4: Because we're like guys were with satire. It was we
Speaker 4: were being satirical about this trend, which we actually thought
Speaker 4: we were.
Speaker 3: Okay, so women didn't invent this game, they're just playing it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain this to Andrew Tait, the little girls.
Speaker 3: The little girls are going to have to explain to
Speaker 3: Andrew Tate how the world works, all right.
Speaker 4: Like he's a big strong man, he'll understand.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly right, Okay, Andrew Tate. So there's this
Speaker 3: thing called TikTok and is where everyone lives. Now, you
Speaker 3: go on TikTok and its surfaces trends, right, that's what happens.
Speaker 3: You've got to jump on a trend if you want
Speaker 3: to make it big on TikTok, and so you do
Speaker 3: it trend and then people like it, and then people
Speaker 3: follow you.
Speaker 6: And a trend usually they don't mean anything.
Speaker 3: That don't mean So why would you just do a
Speaker 3: trend so that people say it? Great question? Andrew Tate.
Speaker 3: The reason is so that people follow you. But what
Speaker 3: doesn't matter whether you have a lot of followers on TikTok, Well,
Speaker 3: Andrew Tate, the thing is this corresponds directly to people
Speaker 3: buying your product or consuming your content. Now, TBH skincare
Speaker 3: have about fifty thousand followers on Instagram and TikTok I
Speaker 3: have quite a bit. And earlier this year they released
Speaker 3: a new face, wash right, and immediately they started selling
Speaker 3: one a minute. And the reason why was because it
Speaker 3: was going viral on TikTok and the TikTok algorithm picked
Speaker 3: it up and they were just able to sell, sell, sell, and.
Speaker 5: I want it now.
Speaker 3: Exactly how it works.
Speaker 4: I didn't even have to see them content. You have
Speaker 4: to tell me it's gone viral and I'm like, where's my mind?
Speaker 2: That's how it works.
Speaker 3: That is how it works, Andrew Tate. Because I've never
Speaker 3: heard of t oh, you definitely have. Like it's in Priceline,
Speaker 3: it's in Coal's, it's the Door Beauty, and it is
Speaker 3: a multi million dollar company.
Speaker 2: And it is a young woman's business, a.
Speaker 3: Young woman who has grown this from the ground up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, mate, they are laughing into their money, doing
Speaker 3: their silly TikTok dance. And I heard him say, Simmy,
Speaker 3: your boss is doing this. Do we want to talk
Speaker 3: about what the boss of Twitter is doing? Because Eli Musk,
Speaker 3: I went to see what he's done the last twenty
Speaker 3: four hours. All he does is share memes of dicken.
Speaker 5: Balls, sometimes boobs.
Speaker 3: He wore a T shirt that said I love anal.
Speaker 4: Oh right, Sometimes he'll share a picture of boobs and
Speaker 4: he'll just write boobs.
Speaker 2: I want to so disturbed whole thing, but I want
Speaker 2: to bring it back to the silly little girls who
Speaker 2: might be your boss one day, including us.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So that was a very good explanation of why TikTok,
Speaker 2: why viral?
Speaker 6: Why us?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: So obviously bother me are out loud?
Speaker 3: If you can smell the death O, yes, you're not wrong. No,
Speaker 3: it is the smell of It's my.
Speaker 6: Question right about all this?
Speaker 2: Because I love this story on so many levels. But
Speaker 2: Andrew Tator is also terrifying, and I hate laughing at
Speaker 2: him in a way because I'm like genuinely dangerous person
Speaker 2: with genuinely way too much influence on the world. However,
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of truth in this little
Speaker 2: bit that I want to prosecute. When we did that
Speaker 2: trend yesterday, and like, I don't mind doing these things.
Speaker 5: Like when I forced you to both do that, I don't.
Speaker 2: Mind doing these things. But you know, this is what
Speaker 2: brands do, and this is what media organizations do, is
Speaker 2: we'll change strategy at different times and we'll go, let's
Speaker 2: do some fun stuff. You know that we share lots
Speaker 2: and lots of clips of the show and topics that
Speaker 2: we're discussing, and in our Outluders Facebook group we'll ask
Speaker 2: people's opinions and do But then we also do some
Speaker 2: just silly stuff, just entertaining stuff, right, and this is
Speaker 2: part of that, and try and go viral being silly
Speaker 2: because and this is one of the things about this,
Speaker 2: right is that sometimes I watch it back and I
Speaker 2: read the comments like in this case, and there are
Speaker 2: quite a lot of out louders who are all so
Speaker 2: smart women going like come on, stop it. And sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you've got a point better, because I
Speaker 2: wonder if we're fooling ourselves if we think that we
Speaker 2: have credibility as commentators, journalists, authors, whatever it is, if
Speaker 2: we're also going teams are a really nice, stops are
Speaker 2: really nice. And I'm genuinely conflicted about it, and we
Speaker 2: can multi Yeah, that's what I mean. So I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that I necessarily land on the side of idiots.
Speaker 2: Don't anyone ever listen, But it's genuinely confusing because the
Speaker 2: lines used to be much clearer. Right, serious people do
Speaker 2: serious things, Silly people do silly things, and now we
Speaker 2: have mixed that up a lot, but sometimes lately got
Speaker 2: a little far.
Speaker 3: Don't hate the player, hate the game, It's true.
Speaker 2: But Sales isn't doing that.
Speaker 6: Yeah she's she's.
Speaker 4: Not doing not no no, but she will do silly
Speaker 4: things at the ten shows and on podcast she will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a place for it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: My question is only and I'm not putting myself here
Speaker 2: as a person who doesn't like because I think it's
Speaker 2: fun and I like it, and you know, I consume
Speaker 2: that content. I couldn't stop watching those stupid videos after
Speaker 2: he put them me onto them, it's kind of hypnotic.
Speaker 6: I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 2: Also sometimes I'm like, I'm never gonna little pull its.
Speaker 6: Yet that's a given.
Speaker 3: A doesn't have to. I gave jeans and a really
Speaker 3: nice top, jeans and a really.
Speaker 5: Nice do you know how many? Where's mine?
Speaker 2: So is that do we think that's dead? And particularly
Speaker 2: for women because as you very rightly pointed out Jesse,
Speaker 2: men are doing very stupid things, but they look a
Speaker 2: bit different. They're generally not doing that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Is it just dead the idea that we used to
Speaker 2: have that, like, as I say, serious people do serious things.
Speaker 2: Do we just think that ship has sailed?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it is because there was a great
Speaker 4: story somewhere about how everyone has to sell out now
Speaker 4: and remember when, like poor authors, all authors want to
Speaker 4: do is be in a quiet room with their laptop,
Speaker 4: writing alone in silence. And yet now when you write
Speaker 4: a book, the first thing you publisher says is BookTalk.
Speaker 4: You've got to make funny tiktoks do a dance, and
Speaker 4: Moriarty had to do that. And you could just see
Speaker 4: all these authors who would obviously have been told that
Speaker 4: by their publishers, and they just looked. I didn't cringe
Speaker 4: looking at them, but my heart broke for them because
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, criky.
Speaker 2: Because the skill sets are different. In the same way
Speaker 2: that we often say the politician is going to get
Speaker 2: elected because they're really good at speaking to crowds and
Speaker 2: reving people up. Isn't necessarily the right guy to be
Speaker 2: doing the minutia of like whether or not this build
Speaker 2: should be amended, Like the people who write the books
Speaker 2: are not necessarily really good at doing ron TikTok dances.
Speaker 2: And my general line with this stuff because obviously, if
Speaker 2: you live on the internet and you are promoting your
Speaker 2: wares on the internet, which we all do all the
Speaker 2: time and many people do, and it's how you build
Speaker 2: business and fah blah blah, my general rule is does
Speaker 2: it feel like me? You know, like, if it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like me, then people can smell an authority a
Speaker 2: mile away. And I think for some reason, there was
Speaker 2: something about this that a lot of our outlanders just
Speaker 2: went no, no, no.
Speaker 5: No, why did we do that?
Speaker 4: And when we did the high kicks and the jump
Speaker 4: splits last week, when we were doing the satire of
Speaker 4: DCC and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, and then the week
Speaker 4: before that they loved it when we impersonated the way
Speaker 4: Prince William dancers versus the way Travis Kelson.
Speaker 2: Maybe that felt maybe it was connected to the show
Speaker 2: or connected to topics that we're discussing, Like I think
Speaker 2: sometimes that's one of the things. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a problem for our next meeting. But I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting when people are looking at the Internet and they're thinking,
Speaker 2: why is that person doing that? And why is that
Speaker 2: person doing that? And why does sometimes it feels so
Speaker 2: right and sometimes it feels so wrong. Sometimes it's hard
Speaker 2: to put your finger on it.
Speaker 4: We need a social media strategy.
Speaker 2: Should we get to write you win a signed book
Speaker 2: if you would write our social media strategy, but also
Speaker 2: two copies. As much as I don't like to laugh
Speaker 2: Andrew take because think he's a dangerous idiot, I do
Speaker 2: laugh at this. Women like this will be your boss
Speaker 2: one day. I'm like, you should be so lucky already
Speaker 2: freaking up.
Speaker 6: They will.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen the videos and you're like this
Speaker 3: does sound cringe, I'd love to watch it. In fact,
Speaker 3: I'd love to leave comment about how much. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Sure, Jesse the great on follow was about to happen.
Speaker 3: There's a link in our in our show notes. I
Speaker 3: don't know how I feel about it. I wasn't particularly.
Speaker 5: Lastly, I thought it was some of my best works.
Speaker 4: Speaking of things, Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Another thing our listeners didn't.
Speaker 6: Like subscriber episode.
Speaker 4: I'm not even going to tell you what we did
Speaker 4: our subs episode about. We'll put a link in the
Speaker 4: show notes. Let's not speak for it ever.
Speaker 3: Again, very ashamed. But it was also a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. Thank you to all
Speaker 2: wonderful out louders for sticking with us as we make
Speaker 2: messes all over the internet. We love you a lot.
Speaker 2: Follow our show, follow our show. We'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Thanks to our fabulous team for putting this together.
Speaker 4: We'll be back in your ears jeans in a really
Speaker 4: nice time, Jean's in a really nice time.
Speaker 5: You always have.
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you
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Speaker 6: Way to do it.
Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description