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Speaker 2: Mama Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 3: Holly, the out Louders are alleging that you made an

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Speaker 3: error on Monday's episode. You don't like making errors. Would

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Speaker 3: you like to make public apology?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm prepared to make a public apology,

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Speaker 2: but I was wrong to her credit am our producer

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Speaker 2: in the recording glimpse behind the scenes friends stopped me,

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Speaker 2: yeah and said, Holly, I don't think that's it. You're

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Speaker 2: supposed to say varlet instead of veil when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about somebody who's passed.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was veil too.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's an English thing. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I want out louders to know that we do care.

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Speaker 2: And before I came in, I googled and I did

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Speaker 2: one of those sound pronunciations. But then, of course that

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Speaker 3: Well, there's only one way to know for sure. And

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Speaker 3: it's veil of vallet because often it's written.

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Speaker 4: I used to think that it was veil, I think

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Speaker 4: because I'd never heard it pronounced. Yeah, I heard someone

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Speaker 4: say varlet and I was like, oh, I've been saying

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Speaker 3: I'm saying brusketta.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it is. And I know some people

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Speaker 2: were upset and they said, is it too much to

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Speaker 2: And so I didn't want to. If I've offended anybody,

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Speaker 2: I'm very sorry. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia. Out

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Speaker 2: loud What women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the

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Speaker 5: I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm mea Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens, and I want to do a thing.

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Speaker 5: Before we get what thing are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Jesse, I want another thing?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you got things to bring. I want out louders

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Speaker 3: wherever they are in the world.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they're on the fine, while they're on the walk.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe they're in a very important meeting and they

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Speaker 4: I often imagine an out louder on a tractor. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: shout out to our rural out louders.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want you to share where you are listening

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Speaker 3: to the PODCA cast today, and then I want you

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Speaker 3: to tag mummy. Are out loud on Instagram because I

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Speaker 6: I want to share them all.

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Speaker 3: I want to get excited. Yes, I need a visual.

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Speaker 2: Lots of out louders are doing things they don't like

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Speaker 2: doing while they're listening to us. That's what they tell us.

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Speaker 2: A lot is like, well, I'm laundry or cooking a meal,

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Speaker 2: we're a little distraction, little treatment distraction. So we want

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Speaker 3: Happen, you know what. I want to make it a

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Speaker 3: should get at the present like a Christmas in July,

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Speaker 6: What about feature toys.

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Speaker 3: We should do our books, sign sign our books and

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Speaker 5: One of my book books?

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Speaker 2: Everywhere about that is you can have several books send

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Speaker 2: On his claim on Today's show a bad taste joke

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Speaker 2: Bingo card for this week? Also Violet Affleck for president. Well, look,

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Speaker 2: but first, Mia.

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Speaker 4: In case you, mister Donald Trump has had a big week.

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Speaker 4: There was, of course the attempt at assassination attempt on

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Speaker 4: It is a man whose name you might remember.

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Speaker 6: It is JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance and he is thirty nine years old. And I

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Speaker 4: know him because he wrote a best selling memoir in

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Speaker 3: And is it good?

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Speaker 4: So he grew up sort of dirt poor in a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was a marine. He was in and

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Speaker 6: Be the leader of their party. So here's what he

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Speaker 4: Say around twenty sixteen during the campaign when Trump was

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Speaker 6: I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him.

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Speaker 7: My current plan is to vote either third party, or,

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Speaker 4: But he met Trump in twenty twenty one, and look

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Speaker 4: Vance does not believe in abortion, even in the case

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Speaker 3: Privately, in twenty sixteen, in a Facebook message to a friend,

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Speaker 2: Except so the thing that's interesting to hear you just

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Speaker 3: He's an opportunist.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday night, a musician named Kyle Gass made a

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Speaker 3: was recently here promoting Kung Fu Panda four. They make

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Speaker 3: up a comedy rock duo called Tenacious D. Their most

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Speaker 3: and he says, don't miss Trump next time. Referring to

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Speaker 3: the assassination attempt over the weekend, Senator Ralph Babbitt, an

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Speaker 3: both band members to be deported immediately. Anything less than

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Speaker 3: attempted assassin of Donald Trump, he said. Just hours before

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Speaker 3: by Jack Black. He said, I was blindsided by what

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Speaker 3: condone hate speech or encourage political violence in any form.

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Speaker 3: After much reflection, I no longer feel it is appropriate

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Speaker 3: to continue the Tenacious D tour and all future creative

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Speaker 3: for their support and understanding. Gas then released his own

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Speaker 3: that was a joke that was uttered in a lot

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Speaker 3: of private circles over the weekend. Trump himself has incited

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Speaker 3: political violence. Many people around the world see him as

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Speaker 3: this existential threat to democracy. But Gas did not make

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, he was grabbing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, if we are to return political discourse to any

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Speaker 4: He's so very different making a joke that way, saying

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Speaker 3: Yes, But as soon as I heard this, right, remember

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Speaker 2: exactly why Trump was shot is a massive overreach.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you on that. I don't think he

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Speaker 3: should be deported. But I do think that Trump is

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Speaker 3: about to be the next president of the United States,

441
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Speaker 3: and if we keep representing him and all his supporters

442
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Speaker 3: as these degenerates and speaking in ways that are incredibly disrespectful.

443
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Speaker 3: This isn't working, This current discourse isn't working, so we probably.

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Speaker 4: To a basket of deplorables. Did not work that well

445
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Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton, as we discovered. But in terms of Tenacious D,

446
00:21:30,967 --> 00:21:34,047
Speaker 4: and to just finish that off, the Dixie Chicks could

447
00:21:34,087 --> 00:21:36,327
Speaker 4: never outrun that. They ended up having to change their name.

448
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Speaker 4: They're now called the Chicks.

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Speaker 3: And they wrote that a great song.

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Speaker 4: But my point is that I think Tenacious D will

451
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Speaker 4: struggle to continue in this form because Americans don't have

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Speaker 4: a sense.

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Speaker 6: Of human which is ironic that they have no sense of.

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Speaker 4: Humor or no leeway when it comes to threatening an

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Speaker 4: elected official and the president and those kinds of things.

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Speaker 6: And yet it's such a gun culture.

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Speaker 2: Hell, I have a new hero. She's eighteen. She grew

458
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Speaker 2: up in Los Angeles, California, and Jalo is her stepmom.

459
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Speaker 2: Meet Violet Affleck, who is currently having a moment as

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Speaker 2: a hero of the long COVID community and single handedly

461
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Speaker 2: being a magnanimous Switzerland in her dad's new strongly rumored divorce. Confused,

462
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Speaker 2: let me explain. I'll get the gossip out of the

463
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Speaker 2: way first. On the weekend, Violet Affleck, who is obviously

464
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Speaker 2: the oldest child of Ben Affleck and jen Ghana. She

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Speaker 2: looks so much like she exactly like Jen Ganna and

466
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Speaker 2: glasses like exactly. It is amazing. On the weekend, she

467
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Speaker 2: was photographed hanging out with her stepmom Jalo in the Hamptons.

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Speaker 2: On the same day, her dad was photographed in La

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Speaker 2: on his motorbike. So obviously all the paparazzi informed salutes

470
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Speaker 2: have deduced that Jlo is getting violent in the split.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she is, I don't know. But also the reason

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Speaker 2: everyone's talking about Violet Affleck is because on July the ninth,

473
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Speaker 2: she appeared at a local LA government assembly and she's

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Speaker 2: about the importance of mask mandates in public spaces, and

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Speaker 2: she spoke about the danger of the so called mask

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Speaker 2: bands that are proposed in some American states. And I'll

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Speaker 2: get to those in a minute. First, here's what Violet

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Speaker 2: Afflecks said.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Violet Affleic, Los Angeles resident, first time voter AM eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I contracted a post virile condition in twenty nineteen. I'm

481
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Speaker 1: okay now, but I saw firsthand that medicine does not

482
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Speaker 1: always have answers to the consequences of even minor viruses.

483
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Speaker 1: The COVID nineteen pandemic has thrown the end of Sharper relief.

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Speaker 1: One in ten infections leads to long COVID, which is

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Speaker 1: a devastating neurological cardiovascular illness that can take away people's

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Speaker 1: ability to work, move, see, and even thinks. Stands to

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Speaker 1: exacerbate our homelessness crisis as well as the suffering of

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Speaker 1: many people in our city. A hits communities of color,

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Speaker 1: disabled people, elderly people, transpuple women, and anyone in a

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Speaker 1: public facing essential job the hardest to confront a long

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Speaker 1: COVID crisis. I demand mask availability, air filtration and far

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Speaker 1: UVC light in government facilities, including jails and detention setters,

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Speaker 1: and mask mandates in county medical facilities. We must expand

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Speaker 1: the availability of high quality, free in treatment. And most importantly,

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Speaker 1: the county must oppose mask fans for any reason. They

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Speaker 1: do not keep us safer. They make vulnerable members of

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Speaker 1: our community less safe and make everyone less able to

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Speaker 1: participate in Los Angeles together. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: First of all, how cute is that, how nervous she is.

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Speaker 2: She has prepared this amazing speech that she wants to say,

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Speaker 2: and you can tell as she's breathing and talking really

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Speaker 2: fast that she is eighteen, and she is like shitting herself.

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Speaker 4: She also knows that people have a short concentrations fan

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Speaker 4: so frankly I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: I knew you would.

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Speaker 2: Now, people who look at paparazzi images clearly that's not us.

507
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Speaker 2: Clearly it's not us. They're awful, etc. Have noticed for

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Speaker 2: years now that Violet always wears a professional grade mask

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Speaker 2: when she's out in public with her mum and her dad,

510
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Speaker 2: are siblings, whatever, and.

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Speaker 4: Her always thought that that was that she would have

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Speaker 4: some privacy because when you've got the paparazzi following you,

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Speaker 4: as they have particularly lately, but since they were little

514
00:25:03,527 --> 00:25:08,127
Speaker 4: kids to you know, school concerts and everywhere, just going

515
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Speaker 4: to the shops whenever she's with her parents, and now

516
00:25:10,847 --> 00:25:13,407
Speaker 4: even when she's not, she gets photographed. So I actually

517
00:25:13,447 --> 00:25:15,767
Speaker 4: thought it was an ingenious idea, but I was so

518
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Speaker 4: interested to see that's not why she does it.

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Speaker 2: Her appearance at that meeting confirmed what people who notice

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Speaker 2: such things, who are largely in the long COVID community,

521
00:25:24,527 --> 00:25:27,647
Speaker 2: have long believed. She's passionate about this issue because she

522
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Speaker 2: herself has experienced long COVID. Now, obviously she hasn't been

523
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Speaker 2: specific in discussing exactly what's happened to her, but she

524
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Speaker 2: says in there that she suffered from it. Now just

525
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Speaker 2: to explain the mask bands that she was talking about,

526
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Speaker 2: and the reason that she stood up in that meeting

527
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Speaker 2: is that in some places in the US, including LA

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Speaker 2: and New York City, there are proposals to reinstate old

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Speaker 2: historic laws that made it illegal for people and particularly

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Speaker 2: groups of people to cover their faces in public, and

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Speaker 2: some of the impetus for this has come from the

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Speaker 2: recent unrest around the anti war protests. So those in

533
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Speaker 2: favor of banning masks and face coverings say that criminals

534
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Speaker 2: and violent protesters are hiding their identities in public, and

535
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Speaker 2: those who are against the mask bounds say that banning

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Speaker 2: masks poses a severe risk to public safety, and Violet

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Speaker 2: Affleck is on that team. Jesse, are you impressed that

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Speaker 2: she's using her adjacent celebrity to help highlight something she

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Speaker 2: believes in.

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Speaker 3: I am impressed, and I think the mask conversation is

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Speaker 3: fascinating because the mask has become a signifier for a

542
00:26:32,287 --> 00:26:37,527
Speaker 3: time everyone wants to forget, So COVID was something I

543
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Speaker 3: feel it In Australia for a lot of people, it

544
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Speaker 3: meant not seeing family for years, It meant kids that

545
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Speaker 3: could barely leave their homes. It might have meant illness,

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Speaker 3: it might have meant lost jobs. Like it was a

547
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Speaker 3: time that was collective trauma, collective trauma. Right, And so

548
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Speaker 3: when we see a mask, I think it is almost

549
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Speaker 3: like a deeply human thing that you go, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: it's over. It's over, that's behind us, Like there's that

551
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Speaker 3: sort of thing happening triggered even. Yeah, And what's really

552
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Speaker 3: difficult for the long COVID community and what's difficult with

553
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Speaker 3: invisible illness because a lot of the symptoms are invisible

554
00:27:11,487 --> 00:27:14,167
Speaker 3: in the same way that chronic fatigue has always been

555
00:27:14,887 --> 00:27:18,647
Speaker 3: a hard illness to get people excited about and interested in,

556
00:27:18,687 --> 00:27:21,367
Speaker 3: because a lot of people go tiredness, yeah, oh and

557
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:23,647
Speaker 3: go to bed. Yeah, Like people aren't good at that.

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Speaker 3: The thing with invisible illness, what you need is attention,

559
00:27:27,807 --> 00:27:29,967
Speaker 3: and no one wants to talk about COVID. And in

560
00:27:30,087 --> 00:27:33,927
Speaker 3: order to even fix it, you need funding, which needs attention,

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Speaker 3: which you can't get.

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Speaker 4: But it's surely about anybody who's in me no compromise, right,

563
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Speaker 4: It's not just about people getting long COVID. It's you know,

564
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Speaker 4: if you're having chemo, if you've got a compromise immune

565
00:27:43,567 --> 00:27:47,127
Speaker 4: system in any way, you'll struggle and you want to

566
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Speaker 4: really try to avoid not just getting COVID, but getting

567
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Speaker 4: the flu and getting all the other things that go around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you see a lot of people still

569
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Speaker 3: wearing masks at airports. So I originally saw this story

570
00:27:56,767 --> 00:27:59,727
Speaker 3: and went go violent, affleck, I cannot believe that they

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Speaker 3: trying to outlaw masks. And then I went deeper on

572
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Speaker 3: the story and it's actually quite interesting.

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Speaker 6: I felt so too.

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Speaker 2: It is, but I've done my research too. But it's

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Speaker 2: like there is a difference between a COVID mask and

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Speaker 2: a face covering, right. So a lot of the discussion

577
00:28:15,007 --> 00:28:17,687
Speaker 2: around these mask bands are saying that, right because in

578
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Speaker 2: lots of states of the US and in places in

579
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Speaker 2: Australian in fact, it's a legal to cover your face

580
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Speaker 2: in certain situations if you walk into a bank, take

581
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Speaker 2: off your motorcycle helmet. Like some states in America have

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Speaker 2: outlawed ski masks in public, for example, which seems sensible.

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Speaker 6: But there is a difference, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But then at the beginning of this conversation, Meyer said

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Speaker 3: I thought she was wearing a mask to obscure her

586
00:28:36,847 --> 00:28:40,047
Speaker 3: identity so that she didn't get recognized for being famous. Right,

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Speaker 3: I needed to look at images because the New York

588
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Speaker 3: and the LA thing is actually run by Democrats, because

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Speaker 3: I went, if this is a Republican thing where they're

590
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Speaker 3: just going take your mask off, because they were always

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Speaker 3: antique COVID.

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Speaker 4: A mask is really just an avatar for progressive because

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Speaker 4: the thing is, understand we're talking about American politics so much,

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Speaker 4: but what's interesting about masks is that nowhere else did

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00:29:03,687 --> 00:29:07,727
Speaker 4: masks become such a political symbol, so that like, if

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Speaker 4: you were a Democrat, you were pro vaccination and pro

597
00:29:10,967 --> 00:29:13,367
Speaker 4: mask in the height of the pandemic, and if you

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00:29:13,367 --> 00:29:15,007
Speaker 4: were a Republican you weren't.

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Speaker 6: And somehow I'm generalizing, but that's it.

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Speaker 3: Kind of it became political. But then I was having

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Speaker 3: a look at some of these protests, and some of

602
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Speaker 3: them have had instances of violence, right, And when you

603
00:29:26,807 --> 00:29:29,047
Speaker 3: look at it, we're talking a guy Fawkes mask, like

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Speaker 3: a full mask where you can't see their face as

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Speaker 3: a non mask, and what I saw as well was

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Speaker 3: a COVID mask. But then wearing something over your hair

607
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Speaker 3: as well, you know, for example, in a lot of

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Speaker 3: the Palestinian rallies, they might have something over their head

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 6: A hat or a scarf around their heads.

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Speaker 3: So if you've got a mask and you've also got yeah,

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Speaker 3: hash or something, then in terms of protesting, I do

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Speaker 3: believe there was a really good quote from one of

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Speaker 3: the Democrats in New York who basically said, like doctor

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Speaker 3: Martin Luther King did not hide his face when he

616
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Speaker 3: marched and for the things he thought were wrong in

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Speaker 3: the country, those civil rights leaders did not hide their faces.

618
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Speaker 3: They stood up. In contrast to that, the clan hid

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Speaker 3: their faces. So what they're trying to say is if

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Speaker 3: you protest, you've got to have your face to it,

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Speaker 3: because the disorder that occurs when people are anonymous not

622
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Speaker 3: good not good, which I kind of agree with. But

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Speaker 3: then I think that the people wearing masks for the

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Speaker 3: reasons of health are very different people wearing.

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Speaker 2: Won't work. And the likes of violent Affleck are talking

626
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Speaker 2: about it right because, as you said at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of this, the thing that really challenged for the long

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Speaker 2: COVID community, if there is such a thing as community,

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Speaker 2: but is that, as you say, we want to talk

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Speaker 2: about COVID in the past tense. We want to pretend

631
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Speaker 2: it's gone away, But for people who have suffered really

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Speaker 2: seriously with COVID, and there are lots and lots of

633
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Speaker 2: them whose lives have been appended, it hasn't gone away.

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Speaker 2: So the point they're trying to make, and whether violent

635
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Speaker 2: Affleck is trying to make, is that with every infection

636
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Speaker 2: you increase the risk of this happening, a larger and

637
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Speaker 2: larger group of people are going to get seriously ill.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when she's talking about we need better

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Speaker 2: filtration in public buildings, we need mask mandates back in

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Speaker 2: medical centers, those kind of things. Is it's basically a

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00:31:08,327 --> 00:31:12,007
Speaker 2: group of people who are saying, hey, take it seriously

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Speaker 2: and don't conflate with hand concerns with vandalism and crime.

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Speaker 3: It's also that group of people. It's a feminist issue,

644
00:31:19,687 --> 00:31:23,047
Speaker 3: right because long COVID disproportionately affects women and older women,

645
00:31:23,207 --> 00:31:26,007
Speaker 3: which are people that we generally don't give too much

646
00:31:26,047 --> 00:31:27,487
Speaker 3: of a shit about and too much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought this was such an interesting story and

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Speaker 4: I loved it because it challenges you. You straight away

649
00:31:33,007 --> 00:31:34,847
Speaker 4: you go, oh, I know which side I'm on, and

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Speaker 4: then you go, oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 5: Two things can be true.

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Speaker 4: Dare I say I never knew there was ever any

653
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Speaker 4: consideration of banning people wearing masks. I can see where

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Speaker 4: two very different groups and their motivation for wanting masks

655
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Speaker 4: banned are very different.

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Speaker 3: Because the Australian Olympic team.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because there are some people who want masks

658
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Speaker 2: banned for other reasons, and you saw that in the commentary.

659
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Speaker 2: So some of the Australian athletes have arrived in Paris

660
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Speaker 2: and the first selfie that they posted, they had their

661
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Speaker 2: masks on at the airport. Now, as you said before me,

662
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Speaker 2: are still lots and lots of people.

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Speaker 6: Doing our tour.

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Speaker 4: I wore masks and this is even before two of

665
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Speaker 4: our production crew got COVID when we flew to Brisbane.

666
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Speaker 4: But I was very conscious when I was wearing masks,

667
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Speaker 4: and I was going to ask, you, guys, what do

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Speaker 4: you think when you see people wearing masks? I had

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Speaker 4: to reassure the person next to me. I was like, oh, no,

670
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Speaker 4: I don't have COVID. I'm worried about getting COVID because

671
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Speaker 4: usually when.

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Speaker 6: I see it. Now, for a while, I thought, oh,

673
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Speaker 6: they've got COVID.

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Speaker 2: Well, I generally think that that person is probably really

675
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Speaker 2: cautious about getting COVID, and I often think it's for

676
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Speaker 2: the reasons that we've just been discussing. So there are

677
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Speaker 2: some people who are much more, much more COVID aware

678
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Speaker 2: still than others, and they're often the people who have

679
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Speaker 2: experienced really serious implications. Do you think the thing about

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Speaker 2: the Olympic team, Sorry, just to finish that story, is

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Speaker 2: that so they posted the pictures of themselves with the

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Speaker 2: masks on, and a certain amount of the commentary came

683
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Speaker 2: not from people who were worried about them covering their

684
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Speaker 2: identity in case they're going to commit crime, but to

685
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Speaker 2: point out that Australia is such a nation of snowflakes.

686
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Speaker 2: How ridiculous is this? Because is still a political undertone

687
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Speaker 2: about mask wearing in some quarters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, don't be such a pussy wif you've got

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Speaker 4: a mask on.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm an Olympian, I don't want to get COVID

691
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Speaker 3: before my rain.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that because before COVID, certainly in some Asian cultures,

693
00:33:23,807 --> 00:33:25,927
Speaker 4: when you're sick, you wear a mask, right, which is

694
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Speaker 4: we understood masks to have a double benefit. It prevents

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Speaker 4: you from spreading, and it prevents you from receiving germs,

696
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Speaker 4: and so I think it's interesting you see it now

697
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Speaker 4: whole that the only people wear it wear it to

698
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Speaker 4: protect themselves. Do you think people wear it when they're sick?

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Speaker 4: I mean, my parents recently had to travel when they

700
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Speaker 4: had at the end of COVID, and they wore it

701
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Speaker 4: because they didn't want to give their germs to anybody.

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Speaker 5: Do you think people do that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do that because I have to say, even

704
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Speaker 2: though I'm super sympathetic to this sort of invisible community

705
00:33:58,967 --> 00:34:01,287
Speaker 2: of people, I am not as diligent as I think

706
00:34:01,287 --> 00:34:03,847
Speaker 2: I should be in public spaces wearing masks. But the

707
00:34:03,887 --> 00:34:05,887
Speaker 2: time that I'll definitely do it is if I'm sick.

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Speaker 2: When we were traveling a little bit, I had a

709
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Speaker 2: cold and it wasn't COVID. I tested a minals in times,

710
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Speaker 2: but I was very weary at those times of wearing

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Speaker 2: a mask in a taxi, wearing a mask every time

712
00:34:15,607 --> 00:34:18,527
Speaker 2: we were anywhere, because I was like, it's funny because

713
00:34:18,567 --> 00:34:20,847
Speaker 2: sometimes it's about what you're so social. It's kind of

714
00:34:20,887 --> 00:34:23,367
Speaker 2: like virtue signaling in a way. I know that's a

715
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Speaker 2: pejorative term, but because you're kind of like I do

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Speaker 2: care about not giving it you.

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Speaker 6: I appreciated it.

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Speaker 4: I knew we were sitting in a lot of back

719
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Speaker 4: of ubers together, and I really appreciated that you were

720
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Speaker 4: a mask because I knew that you're sick and we

721
00:34:34,847 --> 00:34:37,687
Speaker 4: were all trying so hard not to get sick.

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Speaker 5: So no, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think what about the Violet Affleck of

724
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Speaker 2: it all? Because often celebrity offspring they go one of

725
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Speaker 2: two ways that are either like completely hiding from any

726
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Speaker 2: kind of attention or they are straight into the movies

727
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Speaker 2: and the modeling contracts. Oh no, this is a very

728
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Speaker 2: do you think this is a very righteous way to

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Speaker 2: use your I liked it.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think she did it as a citizen,

731
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Speaker 4: not as a as an adult of celebrity. And everything

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Speaker 4: that I've read about this, I don't know if strings

733
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Speaker 4: were pulled to get her to be able to speak.

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Speaker 4: But Ben Affleck did an interview recently where he talked

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Speaker 4: about one of his children and who is a socialist

736
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Speaker 4: and who challenges him on everything, and how much he

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Speaker 4: enjoys being challenged by his teenage children.

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Speaker 3: I think this was a great way to caught attention

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Speaker 3: about something that is very difficult to make sexy.

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Speaker 2: She was in the Hampton's photos with j Lo, also

741
00:35:26,047 --> 00:35:28,607
Speaker 2: wearing a long COVID T shirt, so she knows exactly

742
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Speaker 2: what she's doing.

743
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, smart girl.

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753
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Speaker 4: going to explain something to you like your five, because

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Speaker 4: it is confusing.

755
00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:15,727
Speaker 2: Not to patronize, but to assist.

756
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Speaker 4: I needed it explained to me like I was five

757
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Speaker 4: at the beginning of all this, So I am amongst

758
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Speaker 4: the confused. What you just heard is us and that

759
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Speaker 4: was my idea. Yesterday we posted to Muma mer outlaud

760
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Speaker 4: socials our version of a TikTok trend that is going viral.

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Speaker 6: It started with these.

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Speaker 4: Women in the UK who were on a night out

763
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Speaker 4: and they just started doing these hype girl chants sort

764
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Speaker 4: of describing what they were wearing all their personalities.

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Speaker 6: Here was the og boops is back bun.

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Speaker 2: Boops islet back bunch coboat boots and the blowy cobo

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Speaker 2: boots and the blowy Sam was.

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Speaker 6: A little red bag. Sala was it a little red bag?

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Speaker 3: So they have a lot more rhythm, Yeah, they do.

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Speaker 4: So they were like describing their uniform like they're going

771
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Speaker 4: out uniform. So it was like Sam is in a

772
00:37:03,727 --> 00:37:06,967
Speaker 4: little red bag, boots and a slick backbun, and so

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Speaker 4: that became the thing, right, So I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I had to read an article to understand what that was.

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00:37:11,767 --> 00:37:15,447
Speaker 4: And then on the weekend I saw that Amy Poehler

776
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Speaker 4: did one with Rachel Dratch and another well known comedian,

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Speaker 4: and here's their version.

778
00:37:21,207 --> 00:37:24,047
Speaker 3: Sent a black short dress. Oh, send a black short

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Speaker 3: dress and a kashmere shirt. Pony in a kashmere shirt.

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Speaker 6: Some of it a little blue bead. So you get

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Speaker 6: the idea.

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Speaker 1: We didn't.

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Speaker 4: What a surprise, and so then I said, hey, guys,

784
00:37:40,887 --> 00:37:44,927
Speaker 4: we should do this and be cool, and we did.

785
00:37:45,127 --> 00:37:48,047
Speaker 4: And do you know who doesn't like it? Yeah, loud

786
00:37:48,087 --> 00:37:50,887
Speaker 4: as a lot of you said that it was pathetic

787
00:37:50,927 --> 00:37:53,767
Speaker 4: and creed cringe, which is the worst thing you can.

788
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Speaker 3: And you're desperate to make content where we all looked

789
00:37:55,767 --> 00:37:58,767
Speaker 3: at each other and we went they we are desperate

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00:37:58,807 --> 00:38:00,127
Speaker 3: to make You are totally right.

791
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Speaker 4: But the person who doesn't like it the most is

792
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Speaker 4: Andrew Tate. He does not like the women doing the

793
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Speaker 4: TikTok dancers because there was yet another I mean, this

794
00:38:09,727 --> 00:38:11,367
Speaker 4: is what viral means. I'm not going to play you

795
00:38:11,447 --> 00:38:15,887
Speaker 4: every version of this that's ever been done, because that's

796
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:18,407
Speaker 4: what a viral trend is on TikTok. But there's an

797
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Speaker 4: Australian business called TBH Skincare and they did their own.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so and you.

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Speaker 4: Tate reposted that video and wrote on social media, if

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Speaker 4: you do not escape the matrix, women like.

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Speaker 6: This will be your boss.

802
00:38:44,487 --> 00:38:48,007
Speaker 4: Zogcorp loves emasculating men by forcing them to listen to

803
00:38:48,127 --> 00:38:51,927
Speaker 4: semi sentient females. If that doesn't motivate you to get rich,

804
00:38:52,447 --> 00:38:56,127
Speaker 4: nothing will. And then, of course what happens is that

805
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Speaker 4: everybody was very reasonable about that.

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Speaker 6: Just kidding.

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00:38:58,847 --> 00:39:01,647
Speaker 4: All of his commenters, no doubt death threats to those

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Speaker 4: poor women, and many suggested that the young workers should

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Speaker 4: get back in the kitchen. Another commenter claimed this was

810
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Speaker 4: proof the gender pay gap should be reinstated, which was

811
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Speaker 4: very interesting news to us, because the gender pay gap

812
00:39:15,287 --> 00:39:17,287
Speaker 4: in Australia is very much alive and well and is

813
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Speaker 4: sitting at twenty one point seven percent according to the

814
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Speaker 4: Workplace Gender Equality Agency. We spoke about on Monday's show

815
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Speaker 4: Katie Perry her saying that her Woman's World video click

816
00:39:30,727 --> 00:39:33,287
Speaker 4: with satire, and we said, but it's not funny.

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Speaker 5: Is this our Katie Perry moment?

818
00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:38,327
Speaker 4: Because we're like guys were with satire. It was we

819
00:39:38,327 --> 00:39:41,047
Speaker 4: were being satirical about this trend, which we actually thought

820
00:39:41,047 --> 00:39:41,487
Speaker 4: we were.

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00:39:41,967 --> 00:39:45,647
Speaker 3: Okay, so women didn't invent this game, they're just playing it.

822
00:39:46,287 --> 00:39:50,647
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain this to Andrew Tait, the little girls.

823
00:39:51,007 --> 00:39:53,047
Speaker 3: The little girls are going to have to explain to

824
00:39:53,087 --> 00:39:55,047
Speaker 3: Andrew Tate how the world works, all right.

825
00:39:55,047 --> 00:39:56,447
Speaker 4: Like he's a big strong man, he'll understand.

826
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly right, Okay, Andrew Tate. So there's this

827
00:39:59,327 --> 00:40:02,167
Speaker 3: thing called TikTok and is where everyone lives. Now, you

828
00:40:02,207 --> 00:40:05,767
Speaker 3: go on TikTok and its surfaces trends, right, that's what happens.

829
00:40:05,807 --> 00:40:07,007
Speaker 3: You've got to jump on a trend if you want

830
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Speaker 3: to make it big on TikTok, and so you do

831
00:40:09,087 --> 00:40:11,247
Speaker 3: it trend and then people like it, and then people

832
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Speaker 3: follow you.

833
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Speaker 6: And a trend usually they don't mean anything.

834
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Speaker 3: That don't mean So why would you just do a

835
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Speaker 3: trend so that people say it? Great question? Andrew Tate.

836
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Speaker 3: The reason is so that people follow you. But what

837
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter whether you have a lot of followers on TikTok, Well,

838
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Speaker 3: Andrew Tate, the thing is this corresponds directly to people

839
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Speaker 3: buying your product or consuming your content. Now, TBH skincare

840
00:40:33,207 --> 00:40:36,807
Speaker 3: have about fifty thousand followers on Instagram and TikTok I

841
00:40:36,807 --> 00:40:39,567
Speaker 3: have quite a bit. And earlier this year they released

842
00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:44,367
Speaker 3: a new face, wash right, and immediately they started selling

843
00:40:44,527 --> 00:40:47,567
Speaker 3: one a minute. And the reason why was because it

844
00:40:47,647 --> 00:40:52,007
Speaker 3: was going viral on TikTok and the TikTok algorithm picked

845
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Speaker 3: it up and they were just able to sell, sell, sell, and.

846
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Speaker 5: I want it now.

847
00:40:54,727 --> 00:40:56,447
Speaker 3: Exactly how it works.

848
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Speaker 4: I didn't even have to see them content. You have

849
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Speaker 4: to tell me it's gone viral and I'm like, where's my mind?

850
00:41:00,807 --> 00:41:01,727
Speaker 2: That's how it works.

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00:41:01,807 --> 00:41:03,927
Speaker 3: That is how it works, Andrew Tate. Because I've never

852
00:41:03,967 --> 00:41:07,607
Speaker 3: heard of t oh, you definitely have. Like it's in Priceline,

853
00:41:07,607 --> 00:41:10,007
Speaker 3: it's in Coal's, it's the Door Beauty, and it is

854
00:41:10,007 --> 00:41:12,727
Speaker 3: a multi million dollar company.

855
00:41:12,287 --> 00:41:14,087
Speaker 2: And it is a young woman's business, a.

856
00:41:14,007 --> 00:41:16,487
Speaker 3: Young woman who has grown this from the ground up.

857
00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:20,127
Speaker 3: I'm like, mate, they are laughing into their money, doing

858
00:41:20,167 --> 00:41:24,167
Speaker 3: their silly TikTok dance. And I heard him say, Simmy,

859
00:41:24,927 --> 00:41:27,327
Speaker 3: your boss is doing this. Do we want to talk

860
00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:30,887
Speaker 3: about what the boss of Twitter is doing? Because Eli Musk,

861
00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:32,767
Speaker 3: I went to see what he's done the last twenty

862
00:41:32,807 --> 00:41:37,287
Speaker 3: four hours. All he does is share memes of dicken.

863
00:41:37,047 --> 00:41:39,527
Speaker 5: Balls, sometimes boobs.

864
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Speaker 3: He wore a T shirt that said I love anal.

865
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Speaker 4: Oh right, Sometimes he'll share a picture of boobs and

866
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Speaker 4: he'll just write boobs.

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Speaker 2: I want to so disturbed whole thing, but I want

868
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Speaker 2: to bring it back to the silly little girls who

869
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Speaker 2: might be your boss one day, including us.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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00:41:56,127 --> 00:41:59,607
Speaker 2: So that was a very good explanation of why TikTok,

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Speaker 2: why viral?

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Speaker 6: Why us?

874
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Speaker 4: Right?

875
00:42:03,767 --> 00:42:06,847
Speaker 2: So obviously bother me are out loud?

876
00:42:08,247 --> 00:42:10,967
Speaker 3: If you can smell the death O, yes, you're not wrong. No,

877
00:42:11,367 --> 00:42:13,207
Speaker 3: it is the smell of It's my.

878
00:42:13,367 --> 00:42:14,767
Speaker 6: Question right about all this?

879
00:42:14,807 --> 00:42:17,527
Speaker 2: Because I love this story on so many levels. But

880
00:42:17,647 --> 00:42:20,087
Speaker 2: Andrew Tator is also terrifying, and I hate laughing at

881
00:42:20,127 --> 00:42:23,687
Speaker 2: him in a way because I'm like genuinely dangerous person

882
00:42:23,767 --> 00:42:26,327
Speaker 2: with genuinely way too much influence on the world. However,

883
00:42:26,487 --> 00:42:28,927
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of truth in this little

884
00:42:28,927 --> 00:42:31,407
Speaker 2: bit that I want to prosecute. When we did that

885
00:42:31,447 --> 00:42:34,607
Speaker 2: trend yesterday, and like, I don't mind doing these things.

886
00:42:34,367 --> 00:42:36,807
Speaker 5: Like when I forced you to both do that, I don't.

887
00:42:36,687 --> 00:42:38,407
Speaker 2: Mind doing these things. But you know, this is what

888
00:42:38,407 --> 00:42:40,967
Speaker 2: brands do, and this is what media organizations do, is

889
00:42:40,967 --> 00:42:43,327
Speaker 2: we'll change strategy at different times and we'll go, let's

890
00:42:43,327 --> 00:42:45,487
Speaker 2: do some fun stuff. You know that we share lots

891
00:42:45,527 --> 00:42:47,327
Speaker 2: and lots of clips of the show and topics that

892
00:42:47,327 --> 00:42:49,767
Speaker 2: we're discussing, and in our Outluders Facebook group we'll ask

893
00:42:49,807 --> 00:42:52,047
Speaker 2: people's opinions and do But then we also do some

894
00:42:52,207 --> 00:42:54,647
Speaker 2: just silly stuff, just entertaining stuff, right, and this is

895
00:42:54,687 --> 00:42:59,567
Speaker 2: part of that, and try and go viral being silly

896
00:42:59,607 --> 00:43:01,887
Speaker 2: because and this is one of the things about this,

897
00:43:02,087 --> 00:43:05,367
Speaker 2: right is that sometimes I watch it back and I

898
00:43:05,407 --> 00:43:07,967
Speaker 2: read the comments like in this case, and there are

899
00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:09,447
Speaker 2: quite a lot of out louders who are all so

900
00:43:09,487 --> 00:43:12,807
Speaker 2: smart women going like come on, stop it. And sometimes

901
00:43:12,887 --> 00:43:15,927
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you've got a point better, because I

902
00:43:16,087 --> 00:43:19,927
Speaker 2: wonder if we're fooling ourselves if we think that we

903
00:43:20,007 --> 00:43:25,727
Speaker 2: have credibility as commentators, journalists, authors, whatever it is, if

904
00:43:25,767 --> 00:43:31,447
Speaker 2: we're also going teams are a really nice, stops are

905
00:43:31,527 --> 00:43:34,327
Speaker 2: really nice. And I'm genuinely conflicted about it, and we

906
00:43:34,367 --> 00:43:36,647
Speaker 2: can multi Yeah, that's what I mean. So I'm not

907
00:43:36,687 --> 00:43:39,447
Speaker 2: saying that I necessarily land on the side of idiots.

908
00:43:39,487 --> 00:43:43,487
Speaker 2: Don't anyone ever listen, But it's genuinely confusing because the

909
00:43:43,607 --> 00:43:47,327
Speaker 2: lines used to be much clearer. Right, serious people do

910
00:43:47,447 --> 00:43:50,767
Speaker 2: serious things, Silly people do silly things, and now we

911
00:43:50,887 --> 00:43:54,727
Speaker 2: have mixed that up a lot, but sometimes lately got

912
00:43:54,767 --> 00:43:55,527
Speaker 2: a little far.

913
00:43:56,047 --> 00:43:58,207
Speaker 3: Don't hate the player, hate the game, It's true.

914
00:43:58,567 --> 00:44:00,247
Speaker 2: But Sales isn't doing that.

915
00:44:00,647 --> 00:44:01,607
Speaker 6: Yeah she's she's.

916
00:44:04,047 --> 00:44:07,487
Speaker 4: Not doing not no no, but she will do silly

917
00:44:07,527 --> 00:44:11,327
Speaker 4: things at the ten shows and on podcast she will.

918
00:44:11,407 --> 00:44:12,727
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a place for it.

919
00:44:12,847 --> 00:44:13,047
Speaker 4: Right.

920
00:44:13,247 --> 00:44:16,087
Speaker 2: My question is only and I'm not putting myself here

921
00:44:16,127 --> 00:44:17,927
Speaker 2: as a person who doesn't like because I think it's

922
00:44:17,927 --> 00:44:20,287
Speaker 2: fun and I like it, and you know, I consume

923
00:44:20,327 --> 00:44:23,007
Speaker 2: that content. I couldn't stop watching those stupid videos after

924
00:44:23,087 --> 00:44:25,487
Speaker 2: he put them me onto them, it's kind of hypnotic.

925
00:44:25,527 --> 00:44:27,167
Speaker 6: I'm just like, oh.

926
00:44:27,327 --> 00:44:31,167
Speaker 2: Also sometimes I'm like, I'm never gonna little pull its.

927
00:44:32,527 --> 00:44:33,447
Speaker 6: Yet that's a given.

928
00:44:34,127 --> 00:44:36,367
Speaker 3: A doesn't have to. I gave jeans and a really

929
00:44:36,447 --> 00:44:38,287
Speaker 3: nice top, jeans and a really.

930
00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:41,847
Speaker 5: Nice do you know how many? Where's mine?

931
00:44:41,887 --> 00:44:44,407
Speaker 2: So is that do we think that's dead? And particularly

932
00:44:44,407 --> 00:44:47,087
Speaker 2: for women because as you very rightly pointed out Jesse,

933
00:44:47,207 --> 00:44:48,927
Speaker 2: men are doing very stupid things, but they look a

934
00:44:48,967 --> 00:44:51,087
Speaker 2: bit different. They're generally not doing that kind of thing.

935
00:44:51,847 --> 00:44:54,007
Speaker 2: Is it just dead the idea that we used to

936
00:44:54,047 --> 00:44:56,527
Speaker 2: have that, like, as I say, serious people do serious things.

937
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:57,887
Speaker 2: Do we just think that ship has sailed?

938
00:44:58,127 --> 00:44:58,367
Speaker 3: Yes?

939
00:44:58,607 --> 00:45:00,807
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it is because there was a great

940
00:45:00,847 --> 00:45:04,367
Speaker 4: story somewhere about how everyone has to sell out now

941
00:45:04,927 --> 00:45:07,807
Speaker 4: and remember when, like poor authors, all authors want to

942
00:45:07,847 --> 00:45:10,887
Speaker 4: do is be in a quiet room with their laptop,

943
00:45:11,127 --> 00:45:15,447
Speaker 4: writing alone in silence. And yet now when you write

944
00:45:15,447 --> 00:45:17,727
Speaker 4: a book, the first thing you publisher says is BookTalk.

945
00:45:17,967 --> 00:45:20,967
Speaker 4: You've got to make funny tiktoks do a dance, and

946
00:45:22,687 --> 00:45:24,487
Speaker 4: Moriarty had to do that. And you could just see

947
00:45:24,527 --> 00:45:27,087
Speaker 4: all these authors who would obviously have been told that

948
00:45:27,167 --> 00:45:29,727
Speaker 4: by their publishers, and they just looked. I didn't cringe

949
00:45:29,767 --> 00:45:31,847
Speaker 4: looking at them, but my heart broke for them because

950
00:45:31,847 --> 00:45:33,847
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, criky.

951
00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:36,447
Speaker 2: Because the skill sets are different. In the same way

952
00:45:36,487 --> 00:45:38,447
Speaker 2: that we often say the politician is going to get

953
00:45:38,447 --> 00:45:40,407
Speaker 2: elected because they're really good at speaking to crowds and

954
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:42,647
Speaker 2: reving people up. Isn't necessarily the right guy to be

955
00:45:42,687 --> 00:45:45,487
Speaker 2: doing the minutia of like whether or not this build

956
00:45:45,567 --> 00:45:48,327
Speaker 2: should be amended, Like the people who write the books

957
00:45:48,367 --> 00:45:52,607
Speaker 2: are not necessarily really good at doing ron TikTok dances.

958
00:45:52,927 --> 00:45:55,607
Speaker 2: And my general line with this stuff because obviously, if

959
00:45:55,647 --> 00:45:58,047
Speaker 2: you live on the internet and you are promoting your

960
00:45:58,087 --> 00:45:59,887
Speaker 2: wares on the internet, which we all do all the

961
00:45:59,927 --> 00:46:01,647
Speaker 2: time and many people do, and it's how you build

962
00:46:01,647 --> 00:46:04,567
Speaker 2: business and fah blah blah, my general rule is does

963
00:46:04,607 --> 00:46:06,807
Speaker 2: it feel like me? You know, like, if it doesn't

964
00:46:06,807 --> 00:46:09,767
Speaker 2: feel like me, then people can smell an authority a

965
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:12,487
Speaker 2: mile away. And I think for some reason, there was

966
00:46:12,527 --> 00:46:14,847
Speaker 2: something about this that a lot of our outlanders just

967
00:46:14,887 --> 00:46:16,967
Speaker 2: went no, no, no.

968
00:46:16,047 --> 00:46:18,007
Speaker 5: No, why did we do that?

969
00:46:18,087 --> 00:46:19,967
Speaker 4: And when we did the high kicks and the jump

970
00:46:19,967 --> 00:46:23,127
Speaker 4: splits last week, when we were doing the satire of

971
00:46:23,567 --> 00:46:26,767
Speaker 4: DCC and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, and then the week

972
00:46:26,807 --> 00:46:30,607
Speaker 4: before that they loved it when we impersonated the way

973
00:46:30,647 --> 00:46:33,727
Speaker 4: Prince William dancers versus the way Travis Kelson.

974
00:46:33,727 --> 00:46:35,727
Speaker 2: Maybe that felt maybe it was connected to the show

975
00:46:35,927 --> 00:46:38,607
Speaker 2: or connected to topics that we're discussing, Like I think

976
00:46:38,647 --> 00:46:40,327
Speaker 2: sometimes that's one of the things. I mean, this is

977
00:46:40,367 --> 00:46:43,927
Speaker 2: a problem for our next meeting. But I think it's

978
00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:46,487
Speaker 2: interesting when people are looking at the Internet and they're thinking,

979
00:46:46,487 --> 00:46:48,047
Speaker 2: why is that person doing that? And why is that

980
00:46:48,087 --> 00:46:50,767
Speaker 2: person doing that? And why does sometimes it feels so

981
00:46:50,927 --> 00:46:53,647
Speaker 2: right and sometimes it feels so wrong. Sometimes it's hard

982
00:46:53,647 --> 00:46:54,607
Speaker 2: to put your finger on it.

983
00:46:54,767 --> 00:46:56,487
Speaker 4: We need a social media strategy.

984
00:46:57,527 --> 00:47:02,567
Speaker 2: Should we get to write you win a signed book

985
00:47:02,687 --> 00:47:06,767
Speaker 2: if you would write our social media strategy, but also

986
00:47:06,927 --> 00:47:09,207
Speaker 2: two copies. As much as I don't like to laugh

987
00:47:09,287 --> 00:47:11,247
Speaker 2: Andrew take because think he's a dangerous idiot, I do

988
00:47:11,367 --> 00:47:13,367
Speaker 2: laugh at this. Women like this will be your boss

989
00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:15,887
Speaker 2: one day. I'm like, you should be so lucky already

990
00:47:15,927 --> 00:47:16,407
Speaker 2: freaking up.

991
00:47:16,567 --> 00:47:17,207
Speaker 6: They will.

992
00:47:17,807 --> 00:47:19,807
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen the videos and you're like this

993
00:47:19,847 --> 00:47:22,087
Speaker 3: does sound cringe, I'd love to watch it. In fact,

994
00:47:22,127 --> 00:47:24,287
Speaker 3: I'd love to leave comment about how much. I hate it.

995
00:47:24,407 --> 00:47:27,287
Speaker 2: Sure, Jesse the great on follow was about to happen.

996
00:47:27,447 --> 00:47:29,727
Speaker 3: There's a link in our in our show notes. I

997
00:47:29,767 --> 00:47:33,087
Speaker 3: don't know how I feel about it. I wasn't particularly.

998
00:47:35,047 --> 00:47:37,327
Speaker 5: Lastly, I thought it was some of my best works.

999
00:47:38,367 --> 00:47:44,647
Speaker 4: Speaking of things, Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

1000
00:47:45,047 --> 00:47:47,647
Speaker 3: Another thing our listeners didn't.

1001
00:47:47,487 --> 00:47:50,367
Speaker 6: Like subscriber episode.

1002
00:47:50,607 --> 00:47:52,007
Speaker 4: I'm not even going to tell you what we did

1003
00:47:52,007 --> 00:47:53,767
Speaker 4: our subs episode about. We'll put a link in the

1004
00:47:53,767 --> 00:47:55,567
Speaker 4: show notes. Let's not speak for it ever.

1005
00:47:55,647 --> 00:47:59,287
Speaker 3: Again, very ashamed. But it was also a lot of fun.

1006
00:47:59,367 --> 00:48:02,087
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. Thank you to all

1007
00:48:02,407 --> 00:48:05,567
Speaker 2: wonderful out louders for sticking with us as we make

1008
00:48:05,687 --> 00:48:08,847
Speaker 2: messes all over the internet. We love you a lot.

1009
00:48:09,327 --> 00:48:16,487
Speaker 2: Follow our show, follow our show. We'll see you tomorrow.

1010
00:48:16,567 --> 00:48:18,407
Speaker 2: Thanks to our fabulous team for putting this together.

1011
00:48:18,447 --> 00:48:20,407
Speaker 4: We'll be back in your ears jeans in a really

1012
00:48:20,487 --> 00:48:23,727
Speaker 4: nice time, Jean's in a really nice time.

1013
00:48:23,847 --> 00:48:24,807
Speaker 5: You always have.

1014
00:48:27,247 --> 00:48:30,087
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

1015
00:48:30,287 --> 00:48:33,127
Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

1016
00:48:33,167 --> 00:48:35,167
Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very best.

1017
00:48:34,887 --> 00:48:35,607
Speaker 6: Way to do it.

1018
00:48:35,767 --> 00:48:37,647
Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description