1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: You actually sound fine. Every time you like I feel 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: a bit horse, I'm like, no, you say it good? 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: A bit horse? 4 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: Do you know that he's an aid? 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Don't Halan My partner, my boyfriend Torbes, we've been together 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: flat almost ten years. Like whenever I'm like having a 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: MENTI bee about something or ranting and raving about something 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: that happened at the shops or at work. Whatever he says, 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: are we feelings or solutions based right now? 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore, the. 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: Good, bad and ugly. 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: The best and worst day will bear all the facets 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneurshos walked the Suits and 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: Heels to about matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Cca 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: is a series of conversations on finding a life you 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: along the way. We are back from our little break 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: with an absolute bang and a guest I've wanted to 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: chat with for such a long time, and hopefully a 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: guest you guys have wanted to hear from for a 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: long time. Thank you so much for your patients while 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: we all adventured around the world. By the way, I 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed our re releases to keep you going. 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: There were actually quite a few of you who hadn't 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: heard those episodes, so I hope you guys enjoyed them, 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: and I know you will enjoy this week's guest even more. 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about the woman, the legend, Tony Lodge, 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: who you have probably already heard from on her own 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: amazing show, The Tony and Ryan Podcast, otherwise known as TARP, 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: one of Australia's top performing shows, and for very good reason, 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: they are absolutely hilarious. Tony has also just released her 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: first brilliant book, I Don't Need Therapy and Other Lies 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: I've told myself, for which I was so honored to 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: give a cover quote after absolutely eating up my advanced 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: copy a couple of months ago. Of course it is 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: now actually out in the open, and I cannot recommend 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: it highly enough. The link to buy your copy is, 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: of course in the show notes for you. I won't 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: reveal too much because we cover so much in this chat, 46 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: and I just adored getting to know this amazing woman better. 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: We had this beautiful online relationship going on, but I 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: feel like we're now real life best friends. Tony is 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: one of those amazing examples of someone who you could 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: easily assume was born into the position she's in now 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: because she's just so perfectly suited to it, and as 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: you'll hear in the book, since she was a child, 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: she believed she was going to be famous, but that's 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: definitely not how it started for her. And I loved 55 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: exploring all of the juicy stuff in between. You'll be 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: able to tell immediately how much fun we had during 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: this one. I haven't laughed so hard in such a 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: long time. I hope it's as much of a joy 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: to your ears as it was to mine the first 60 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: time around. 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: All leave that life going to be introducing Tony Lunch. 62 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: I think people heard that laughing went oh, I heard 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: that it's had a horrible laugh. 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: That signature iconic laugh Tony. Welcome to Seize the A. 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited, and. 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: So we've been already talking for like twenty minutes, literally 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: naked on a couch pretty much. We are just getting 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: real close and personal, and I. 69 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: Was going to oil you up shortly as well. 70 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's ready to clean up. 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, as it is audio only, you can't see the proof, 72 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: so you don't know whether we did or actually didn't 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: do that. 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: It's already bringing me so much joy. We've been trying 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: to make this happen for so long. Yeah, and I'm 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: so glad we made it. So I'm like a man, 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, but I was not waiting another day. 78 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: You actually sound fine. Every time you like I feel 79 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: a bit horse, I'm like, no, you say good, a 80 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: bit horse? 81 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: Do you know that's an aid? 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: Don't lunch Sarah Davidson. 83 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: I do call us the Davidson's. But at the moment, 84 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: oh my god, you're too good. 85 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: You're too good. 86 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: I've actually been really so excited but also stressed because 87 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: I have so much materials that I want to cover, 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: and sometimes when I've read someone's book, obviously you have 89 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: a brand new book which we were so excited about. 90 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't need therapy, which is right here for people 91 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: who are looking at the video, we're going to cover it, 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: of course. But sometimes when I've read the book, I'm like, Okay, 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: how do I do this episode without just reading the 94 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: whole book? 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm going to. 96 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: Tell you everything about Tony or. 97 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Being like, oh, of course thought about this, and like you. 98 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: Said, you read the book, so you know. 99 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: And I feel like every time I talk to someone, 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, do you already? Did you? Do you know that? 101 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: And did you read it? 102 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: And because when your book came out, but it was 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: exactly the same, you can tell who's read it and 104 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: who hasn't. For people who haven't read it, I'm not 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: including you, yeah, yeah, because you obviously I haven't read it, 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Like you took the cellophane from the PR package of 107 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: Fairly Not even that's. 108 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: On the back you can see, oh my god. 109 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: Well we will get there. 110 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: But for those who listen to the show, I always 111 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: start by asking everyone what the most down to her 112 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: thing is about them as a bit of an icebreaker, 113 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: because you are actually very very famous, and I've had 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: not at least at least ten people who know us 115 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: separately who have said to say hello to you today. 116 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: Who is so excited Racar a message me this morning. 117 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so excited last night my 118 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: hairdresser who just did my hair. Yes, she's a superman. 119 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I'll tell her and she said, no, 120 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: she's I've already told her that. Yeah. 121 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: So one of the girls who used to work for 122 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: her was like, oh, my new boss like yeah, and 123 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: I was like, so I sent her a video because 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, maybe you'll. 125 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Get a pay rise or something like if you tell 126 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: your new yeah, you know, like, oh my new boss, 127 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: like just as like subtle flakes, I know this person 128 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, you're the Yes. 129 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: Well, since you are actually quite famous now, I usually 130 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: start with a bit of an icebreaker, but I feel 131 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: like since your most recent video was about how far 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: up your butthole you use soap, and one of my 133 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: favorite chapters, the second last chapter of your book is 134 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: about you shitting in the street, which I closely resonate 135 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: with because I've had many a nearly shit in the 136 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: street store. 137 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I think everybody does and everyone has not People don't 138 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: speak about this they don't. And because everybody that's been like, oh, 139 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: read the last chapter in your book. God, hasn't that 140 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: happened to everyone? 141 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, turns out it has. Yes, turns out 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: it has. 143 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: It's an equalizer, it is, it's a great leveler of people. 144 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I got to the point I knew it 145 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: was serious when it was no longer am I going 146 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: to ship my pants? But it was do I shit 147 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: in the leggings or outside of the leggings? 148 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: Like is easier? 149 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: So you didn't actually do it because of Saint John's 150 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: ambulance guy walked back at that at the like the 151 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: pivotal like I decided I was going to do it 152 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: outside of the leggings, but behind the forklift was I'll 153 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: show me there a very another day. But it was 154 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: concrete in concrete, no bushes, no like mid Metropolitan Melbourne 155 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: post a running event, only concrete. 156 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: There's low stories. Just do you know how many people 157 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: have shipped themselves at the ten? 158 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: Like it was around the ten and the portal. Yeah, 159 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: it was a whole thing. 160 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: I get it. But once you've crossed over into is 161 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: it like it's not if it's it's like when it's 162 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: is gonna happen where? 163 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what logistically is going to be easy to 164 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: clean up? Yeah, that's when I was like, I knew. 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: Ye, this is business is business time. 166 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm digressing so much so because you're already so 167 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: in all the content, and I mean all of Australia 168 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: already follows you and loves you, so most people know 169 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: what's so down to earth about you. I thought we'd 170 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: do like a bit of a different a start with 171 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: some fast fires. 172 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: Oh love that that. 173 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: Are just kind of fun. And I'm not very good 174 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: at fast fires because I like give a really long 175 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: me to answer, like okay, chapter one is my answer, 176 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: And I thought that would be a little bit more 177 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 2: fun different. So it's very easy to self deprecate, and 178 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: I think that makes people really relatable and I love 179 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: self deprecation. I think it's like a beautiful form of humor. 180 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: But also it just comes so easily. But it's much 181 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: harder to say what you love about yourself. So my 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: first question to you, because I knew making you self 183 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: deprecate would not make you uncomfortable, no, but making you 184 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: say something you love about yourself would. So what's something 185 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: you love about yourself. 186 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: That's really tough. 187 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: I shouldn't give any notice, but I did. 188 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Wow. No, that's okay, live brainstorm or something on something 189 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: mind map. Something I love about myself. I really love 190 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: that I don't get complacent easily. I feel like I'm 191 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: always like when I and this actually might not be 192 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: a good thing about myself, But I feel like as 193 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: soon as I kind of get comfortable, I'm like, Okay, 194 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: how can I switch things up? Or how can I 195 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: I think I really like that about myself that I 196 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: am constantly But also maybe that's not a good thing. 197 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: That's a good thing. 198 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 3: I think it can. 199 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Anything can be a bad thing if you overdo it. True, 200 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: but it's a good trait that you never just sit 201 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 2: in your Like this show is all about step out 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 2: of the comfort zone if you do the what is 203 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: it if you always do the same thing you've always done, 204 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: and you'll always get the same results you've always got. 205 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, to get something you've never get gotten, you have 206 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: to do something you've never done that thing. Yeah. Yeah, 207 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: I think that about myself every day that we did 208 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the opposite one. I like to resay it. You'd already 209 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: said it, I'd already not said it, yeah, and then 210 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I didn't. You didn't say it. 211 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. 212 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: But I think I've probably learned that in only the 213 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: last couple of years, because I think I was like, Okay, 214 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm twenty five, I'm like in this job where I'll 215 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: probably be here forever. And then I was like okay, 216 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: and I was like that's life, Like that's it, like 217 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: this is where this is what I'll do until I retire. 218 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: And then I was like, okay, we hun't do that. 219 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: And and since then, I've like forced myself out of 220 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: my comfort zone so much and now it's something I 221 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: love about myself that I did it, even though I 222 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: was like, I could have very easily stayed comfy, and 223 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: then I didn't do that. But your background's kind of similar, though, 224 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: because you like had this like boogie, high powered, cushy ship, 225 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, not easy, but. 226 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: Like solid familiar as well. 227 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you could have written that for decades. 228 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. But also when people like ask you what you 229 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: do for work and you say something like lawyer or 230 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: something like work at the radio station or whatever, people 231 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: like know what that is. And then when you try 232 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and explain being a podcaster or you. 233 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: Know, anything, creator. 234 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, like people are like, so you know, and that's 235 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: really scary. So well, because you're like, my job exists, 236 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I promise. 237 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a real life thing. I get paid monies. 238 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I promise. 239 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: I'm not an only fans only my feed us. But 240 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: I think that's a really nice thing to like about 241 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: yourself because it does mean and we'll get into this 242 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: in the first section, which is how you got to 243 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: where you are, it does mean that you have worked 244 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: your way up from you know, Bunbury local radio to 245 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: now like one of the most successful shows in Australia, 246 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: which is incredible, and are still going you're just getting started. 247 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: But I also want to know what's one of the 248 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: things that you beat yourself up about the most. 249 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: Oh that's another tough one. Oh my god. I hope 250 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: it's because it's easier something I beat myself up about. 251 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: I probably actually probably the flip I'm I allowed to 252 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: say is the flip of what I just said. I 253 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: hate that I let my feet get itchy because I'm like, okay, well, 254 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I've got to be leveling up. I've always got to 255 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: be doing something new. It's like such a hard balance. 256 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: It's like something I really love about myself that I'm 257 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: always trying to get better. But it's also like I 258 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: never just enjoy anything. I'm like, cool, that's done, what's next? Yes, 259 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: And I'm oh, everyone's just going to think I'm such 260 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: a fence sitter, but I feel like that. But I 261 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: think that that's really something that I really struggle with. 262 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm exactly the same. And I think I listened 263 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: to the podcast you did with Mum and Mia about 264 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: like are you happy right now? And I think that's 265 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: and that's the point of CZA, is that we're measuring 266 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: one part of our lives by success and progress and 267 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: like not always being in the comfort zone and leveling 268 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: up all the time and hustling, but then like happiness 269 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: and enjoying where you are. Sometimes you get like to 270 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 2: the destination that you've aways wanted to get to, and 271 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: you're like, it's not that great because I missed the 272 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: entire thing. 273 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was just like working so hard and 274 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: like I know that we're not allowed to say this anymore, 275 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: but like that grind mindset of like ras and grind, 276 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: like always hustling, like work, work, work, work, work, And 277 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, I actually put my phone on 278 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Do Not Disturb sometimes. 279 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just enjoy myself. 280 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just play Blockoo Doco on my phone, 281 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: which is a great game if anyone's looking for a 282 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: shit game to fight. Of things. 283 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: I love about you so much. The book is so 284 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: full of random shit like that that just makes me like, 285 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: I love this woman even more than I thought. 286 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Okay, coolest thing you've done this year, Oh, coolest thing 287 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: I've done this year? In the meteoric rise of Tony life. 288 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: What is the cool like, the coolest place. 289 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Or opportunity you've ended up with that you had no 290 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: idea you'd ever like little Tony would have been like 291 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: whoa So not that she sounded like that. 292 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: She did. Actually as a SoundBite we organized earlier again, 293 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: I at the moment on the Tony Ryan podcast, which 294 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: is my main job. We are building like making my 295 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: dreams come true because as a kid, I always wanted 296 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: to be in the quantas ad. Oh my god, yeah, 297 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I really wanted to be in the girl's choir and 298 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: my mum told me that girls from wa weren't allowed 299 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: to be in the choir. 300 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 3: And you're working on being the singer in a contus. 301 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: At well, Yeah, so we have actually gone all around 302 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: Australia and filmed me singing the song and that I'm 303 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: not sure when this podcast will come out, but that 304 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: video is in the works at the moment, or maybe 305 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: has just come out or something. Yeah. So we went 306 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: to Sydney and I sang I still call Australia Home 307 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: at the Opera House with like three hundred of our 308 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: podcast listeners behind me, all wearing the same outfit as me. 309 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: They came down on a Saturday morning, we filmed it 310 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: and then we fucked off before the security guards came. 311 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: That is the coolest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, so 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: you're going to say by Ai it was like lots 313 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: and lots Tony's no, it's like all these like tarpats 314 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: people who listened to our podcast. 315 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I went to Alice Springs. We went down 316 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: the Great Ocean Road like everything you've done, the full thing. 317 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but I love how it's like, No, it's 318 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: not with quntas. 319 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: We did. We did it by ourselves and we're hoping 320 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: that Quantus on the back end I'm interested in. Yeah, 321 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: but we just paid to go on quantas flys get 322 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: forward thinking, well done marketing brain. Yeah, and so we're like, well, 323 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: we want to do it anyway, So we just did 324 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: it and hopefully they don't, you know, take the video 325 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: down for copyright or whatever. But yeah, yeah, so I 326 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,239 Speaker 1: can't wait for people to see it because video is amazing. 327 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. That's the best thing I've ever heard. 328 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I never ever thought that I would 329 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: get to do that, Oh my god. And we just 330 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: like made that happen ourselves. Instead of waiting for someone 331 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, do you want to do this thing, 332 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: we were just like fuck it, let's just do it. Yeah. 333 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: That's the thing I love the most about podcasts, and 334 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: like having a community that kind of tolerates how weird 335 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: you are. 336 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: Yes, you just. 337 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: Decide to do something, you just do it, like you 338 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: know what tomorrow, Yeah let's film this thing. 339 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Not only do they kind of tolerate how weird 340 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: we are, they like embrace it and encourage it. Like 341 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: they people who listen to our podcasts like are the 342 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: best and they just love the podcast so much and 343 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: they turn up to things like watching us sing at 344 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: the Opera House and. 345 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: Like it's crazy gabos for a day. 346 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I've just got thousands of friends around the 347 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: world that are like my worst like enablers. 348 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: I've one hundred percent gotten weirder. Like it's brought out 349 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: the find they're facilitators. 350 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: Yes, they're enabling me to just be cooked bitch basically mons. 351 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: So the other thing that comes with a big community 352 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: and amazing opportunities is that you get the cool side 353 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: and then you get some really weird shit in your dms. 354 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: So what's the weirdest DM or like requests from a 355 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: fan or just weird thing that's happened to you Since 356 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: being famous. 357 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: We get heaps of requests for us to go to weddings. 358 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: Heap Have you done one? 359 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: No, we're going to be really far with the precedent 360 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: in the flood game. 361 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing is that, like you go, oh, 362 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: it'd be great to go to one, but you can't 363 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: go to every wedding, true. Could That's a full time job. 364 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: The amount that we get invited to that's full time job. 365 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, we get invited to heaps of weddings on 366 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: like twenty first and stuff like that. 367 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's amazing. 368 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is really lovely because it kind of makes 369 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: me feel like people consider us friends. Yeah, Like they're like, 370 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I listen to the pod and we're mates. I'm like, yeah, 371 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: we are, but I'm not coming to birthday. 372 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: Thanks though, Yeah it cheers those really cute great night. 373 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: So have you got any really weird stuff? 374 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: I have generally got the loveliest audience, Like I think 375 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: the great measure of it was when we did anonymous 376 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: Q and as Yeah, and like when people don't have 377 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: to put their name to stuff, you expect them to 378 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: really go, like you think I'm opening up a can 379 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: of worms. Yeah, and everyone was just lovely, like polite, wholesome, 380 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: really measured questions. But the only one weird thing I've 381 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: got is a request for my shoes, which I was like, 382 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: oh cute, like it is in too resell on deepop 383 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: or like. 384 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: Where did you buy them from? Because I'd like to 385 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: buy my own, yeah, or like if. 386 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: You sell your closed secondhand that you've worn in one 387 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: shoot or something, you know, where do you sell them? 388 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, like wech shoes and they're 389 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: like you're smelly shoes You've got? I was like how much? Yeah? 390 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well before I say no, give me some more info. 391 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: We're really lucky to like everybody that listens is really kind, 392 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Like we get very rarely do we get nasty messages, 393 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, the same in my personal dms. But like 394 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: I've seen some horrible stuff that people receive, but I 395 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: don't think I could deal with that. 396 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: No me either, And I feel like I when I 397 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: talk about self doubt and push through the you know, 398 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: just just stop worrying about what the haters think. It's 399 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: easy to say when you don't really have any but like, 400 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: if that was what I was getting every day, I 401 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: don't know how some people do it. 402 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: Oh, it's really sometimes when a video goes and oh, 403 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you'd be exactly saying, like if the video goes a 404 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: bit crazy, then you go, I'll read the comments for 405 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: the first two days and then I won't. Yeah, so 406 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, there might be some really nasty shit in there, 407 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: but for the moment most part, like unless the video 408 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: goes like crazy, it's pretty good. 409 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: But and then when it goes crazy, I feel like 410 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: the comments are so outlandish that you're like, well, I 411 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: don't care about your opinion anyway, who you're going to 412 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: say something that dumb? It never strikes in your heart 413 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: somewhere that you were really sensitive or like vulnerable. 414 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never like you actually don't know how to 415 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: stack the dishwasher In each case, that would really upset. 416 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: Me, something like did you not know that like quarter 417 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: pounders aren't vegan and you're just like okay, cool man 418 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: is Yeah, wow, I'm really upset about that. I'm going 419 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: to close my account. 420 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: Did you say that they were? I don't know. In 421 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: the video, it's really hard. 422 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: And last thing, I love how the fast Fire has 423 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: taking me like oh yes, no, no, no, my Can you 424 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: tell us something? And this is really hard and I've 425 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: never been asked this question, and that's why I thought 426 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: it'd be interesting for you. Can you tell us something 427 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: you've never told anyone publicly? Is there anything? I mean, 428 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: I shouldn't asked you just after a book because there. 429 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Probably isn't really anything that people don't know. Oh, I'm 430 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: really scared of the dark. Really yeah, I'm like really 431 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night because I'm like sleep 432 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: with the TV on and stuff. Yeah, because I'm like really. 433 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: Scared and you never said that. 434 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: I don't think so maybe I have. There's probably all 435 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: these people listening that are like. 436 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: Your haters now going. 437 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever said that, but yeah, I'm 438 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: like really scared of the dark. No, it's just like 439 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: a really lame thing, justly cute. Yeah, And we live 440 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: in like an apartment building and right our car is 441 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: like in a basement, like yeah, in the dark, and 442 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: if you're the first person downstairs in the morning, like 443 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: the lights are like an automatic sensor and it doesn't 444 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: turn on until like you walk down the thing. So 445 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: I like sprint until the light turns on, and then 446 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I love. 447 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: It because it's like, what do we think is going 448 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: to happen in there? 449 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: It's the unknown. If I want to make it deep, 450 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: I'm actually scared of the unknown, which is, you know, 451 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: very noble. 452 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's less weird the more mainstream. 453 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you get it. 454 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you might not be quoking. It's kind of existential, 455 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: but like. 456 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it. I'm pretty deep. 457 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: That's okay, Okay. So the main section of the show 458 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: is Your Way to a which is pretty much tracing 459 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: back from young Tony before you had any idea what 460 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: your future would look like. And I think a lot 461 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: of people walk into your life when you get a 462 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: platform and they think A you are always destined to 463 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: be here or B that you always have existed here, 464 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: and forget that There's been so many chapters where you 465 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: were like who am I? What am I going to do? 466 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: Hard chapters, chapters in like the Cole's Deli, where your 467 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: metrics for your life was so different. And I think 468 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: going through all the stuff that doesn't get as much 469 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: airtime reminds people who are earlier in their journey that 470 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: they could end up somewhere they. 471 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Never dreamed that they were absolutely yeah. 472 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: And the thing that I took out the most from 473 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: your conclusion of the book was the idea that you 474 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: used to think everything would be better when you got there. 475 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: And that's kind of how this show began is that 476 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 2: I got there really young. I got to this like 477 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: law firm and this amazing job, and everything was ticked, 478 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: and then I was like, am I going to sit 479 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: here for it? 480 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: Like? Is there? 481 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: Is that? It? 482 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally? 483 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: Or does there keep changing? Should it keep changing? 484 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: And if we're always like aiming for this static place 485 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: of happiness, then what else is there once to get there? 486 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: So I love the idea that actually life unravels in 487 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: chapters and your comfort zone catches up to you. So 488 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: let's go back all the way to the very beginning, 489 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: to your younger self in Rolling Stone. 490 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: For how look at you all this? 491 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: I did? I am one of those people. 492 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: Who actually read the book. 493 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: Your three siblings are as sachit terrias she likes some 494 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: walks on the beach. And you had so many career hopes. 495 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that younger listeners 496 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: when they're trying to figure out who they are is 497 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: is like they think there's a they think there's five 498 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: jobs that exist, but b they think they need to 499 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: know what they're supposed to be early and you definitely 500 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: had a media theme. But like you've wanted to be everything. 501 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: A ballerina yeap, wanted to be a ballerina, the first 502 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: flute in the West Australian Symphony Orchestra. Yep. 503 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: It's really sad to me that you didn't fulfill that. 504 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: Dre's still upset. My flute's still in my cupboard. Yeah, yeah, 505 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: I should have brought it today. I want to shame 506 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: waste opportunity. 507 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: There's still time, but yeah, tell us about how you began, 508 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: how you chose you. You need to greet you and 509 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 2: all that stuff. 510 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, it's really interesting the thought of, yeah, 511 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: if you don't know what you want to do, that's it, 512 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: and you'll die when you're like, you'll graduate high school 513 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: and if you don't know what you want to do forever, 514 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: you actually just pass away. Yeah, because I remember a 515 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: teacher giving us this like lecture. It was a whole 516 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: school assembly and it was all the year twelves and 517 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: they were like, you know, if you don't get a 518 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: sea average, you're in grave danger of being in a 519 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: grave like because you're deseased, you'll be dead, like and 520 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: it was so terrifying, and I remember thinking like, well, 521 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: I've got no way. At that time, I wanted to 522 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: be an opera sing and like that was my dream 523 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: and that was what I was going to go to 524 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: uniform and I just had I was like, what do 525 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: you mean that's it? You know? And how do you 526 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: pick that? And there was a time in my life 527 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: where I really wanted to own a two dollar shop 528 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: because it was the only times tables that I knew 529 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, ye, So I was like, if 530 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: people come through with like all these items, I'll know 531 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: exactly how much it costs because it's the only Times 532 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: table I know what our calculators. 533 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: That's the stest thing, not how cashra just just work 534 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: either the criteria though, it's like if my job will 535 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: be based on my favorite Times table. 536 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: Also not a very smart kid, only none of my two's. 537 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean that does open a lot of doors. There's 538 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: a two dollars shop in every city, right, pretty smart. 539 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: It's transferable. 540 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: Every currency has. 541 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: Yes, except when you go to like because isn't rupee 542 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: or like cra million, Yeah two million, just come for 543 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: the zero. The zeros at adam back on and be fine, 544 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: really fine. But so that's kind of I went through 545 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: so many things, and like you said, was always pretty 546 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: media based, like wanted to be balerin o and singer, 547 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: flute player, all of that everything, And I was like, 548 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm just destined for greatness, don't know what I will do. 549 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: And then I didn't get into Whoppa, I didn't get 550 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: into classical voice, and I was like. 551 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: So the theme song at my funeral will be Yeah. 552 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: Literally, I was like, oh, well they told me that 553 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: if I wasn't if I didn't get in, then that 554 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: was it. And I was like, okay, cool, So what 555 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: do I do now. And I remember having this like 556 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: actual breakdown because I was like, what, I don't know 557 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: what else there is. I didn't know myself at all, 558 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: because I was sixteen or seventeen, however old you are 559 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: when you finish year twelve. And I was like, I 560 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: don't know myself. I don't know what I want to do. 561 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: My mom was like, you'll find something, just like get 562 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: a job, earn some money, and then you'll at least 563 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: have a like feel a bit more empowered. So I 564 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: got a job at a fishmonger. It was the owner 565 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: only job I could get, and I started working there 566 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: full time when I finished school, and I was like, yeah, 567 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: pretty glam glam glam, itslt amazing and so catching the 568 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: train home every day like caked in garbage, it was 569 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: so disgusting. And so I did that for a while 570 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: and then I was like, Okay, maybe I'm like ready 571 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: to try and think about what I want to do again. 572 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: And then I applied for WOPPER again. That's the Western 573 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: China Academy Performing Arts for anybody not from Perth, which 574 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: is everyone. 575 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: Who hasn't read the book yet. Yeah, I mean, you're like, 576 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: I know, you need to explain it. 577 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: I get it. I read it. 578 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: I've got some proof here, I've got some notes that 579 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: I took earlier. 580 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: And I started like listening to music again and feeling myself. 581 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I think what I'll 582 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: go and do is sound engineering, which is what I 583 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: ended up getting in. And that was like audio production, 584 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: like working in theater, working on music stuff, and just 585 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: like a huge range. But I was like, I feel 586 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: like that might be the right direction. And then yeah, 587 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: so I managed to get in and I was like, well, 588 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm set, this is it, this will be me. Yeah, 589 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: I finally have arisen. 590 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: It's easter, I am resurrected. 591 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: And yeah. So I was like, okay, I'm back on. 592 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm back on, like here we go. And then yes, 593 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I was studying, and then I had no idea where 594 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: I what I really wanted to do. But I thought 595 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: that I really wanted to own my own record label 596 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: and have like a recording studio like music stuff. That 597 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: was what I really wanted to do when I started. 598 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: And then I got offered a job in radio, like 599 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: by accident, and I was like, well, this is it 600 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: might as well? 601 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: Is that it ostereo? 602 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: Yes? 603 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bunbury, Yes. 604 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: In Bumbrey. Yeah, and that was like an hour and 605 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: a half away from my home and really yeah, so 606 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: I was living with my boyfriend and all that stuff, 607 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and my mom passed away while I was at UNI. 608 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: So I ended up deferring for a year and trying 609 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: to like figure out what I wanted to do, and 610 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: I ended up going back and then I got off 611 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: with that job in radio. So I feel like it 612 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: was such a I mean, UNI for everybody is like 613 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: such a pivotal time. You learn so much about you 614 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: make real friends because all the people you're friends with 615 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: at school is like proximity, like you're friends with them, yeah, 616 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: because you see them every day and you talk to 617 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: them on MSN every night. So it just makes sense. 618 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: You know, you were born in ninety three, Like, how 619 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: do you know about MSN? 620 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: What MSN is a thing? MSN? Yeah? 621 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: Really, yes, I feel like that was after your era. 622 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: No, I'm like with and yeah, so I feel like 623 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: it's pivotal for everybody. But I was just like, Okay, 624 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: my life is all of a sudden, like so different. 625 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: And that was when I was kind of like I 626 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: need to flip everything on its head because it kind 627 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: of half already years, and yeah, I was like, yeah, 628 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: I will take that job. It's not what I wanted 629 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: to do, not what I ever thought that I would do, 630 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it, but I was like, yep, cool, 631 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: see ya, Oh my god, Yeah, And that was pretty wild. 632 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: I feel like even reading all the chapters of going 633 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: like getting to there but then getting from there to 634 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: here is a combination of like accidentally being in the 635 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: right position. 636 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Totally so lucky. 637 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: But and then I was going to say, but not 638 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: only luck, because I think we all kind of attribute 639 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: so much to luck, Like, yeah, I was in the 640 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: right place at the right time, and I wouldn't have 641 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: got that thing if I wasn't. But you kind of 642 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: have to turn luck into an opportunity, right. 643 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Take that adrenaline and make it something. Yeah, And because 644 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: also there are people that are in the right spot 645 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: but don't realize yeah, and then don't like harness that 646 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: and take advantage of whatever kind of place they've fallen 647 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: into or an opportunity that's falling into their lap. Because 648 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: that definitely happened to me in my life as well, 649 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: that things came across my desk and I was like, no, 650 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that's right or not really the right 651 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: move right now, and like luckily I didn't the same 652 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: way that there were lots of things I tried to 653 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: do that I got denied that Now I look back 654 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like, thank god that person didn't agree to 655 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: go on a date with me, or that I didn't 656 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: get that job, or that you know, that person one 657 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: instead of me, or you know whatever. I think it 658 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of works both ways. 659 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And I think you do see a lot 660 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: of people who do have so many lucky opportunities and 661 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: not necessarily squander it, but they don't build the relationships 662 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: or they don't or they tried the opportunity, but they 663 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: don't make the most of it to then take it 664 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: to the next level. Like not everyone who had exactly 665 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: the same luck as you would be where you are 666 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: right now. So how did you then go from like 667 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: the very very entry level wa small you know position 668 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: as like while you were still at UNI to now 669 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: like one of the biggest shows in the country. How 670 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: did that happen? 671 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like no, it's still just like what 672 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: the It's wild. I would have even six months ago, 673 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: a year like never ever dreamed that I was in 674 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: this spot like. So when I first started working in radio, 675 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I could really make 676 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: something out of this, and kind of imagined that, you know, 677 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: someone would be like, oh my god, yeah, you know, 678 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: like take me or just you know, like recognize my 679 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: raw talent, like you're a sistar. You know that actually 680 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: doesn't happen in real life, which I was really. 681 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: Upset by all this raw talent yeahing unnoticed. 682 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Cook it cook my raw talent. And I just kind 683 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: of started doing random things around the radio station. And 684 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: then when I was in bumburriy, all I wanted was 685 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: to like go to Metro and I was like, I'll 686 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: make more money and I'll be in a big city 687 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: and I'll you know. And that was kind of where 688 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: the burnout started to happen, because I was doing the 689 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: thing I was talking about before, like my feet were 690 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: too itchy, and I don't know whether I was really ready. 691 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: But I ended up applying for this job in Sydney 692 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: and I got it, and I fucking it. I hated 693 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: it so much, and my boyfriend moved with me. We 694 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: moved our entire lives to Sydney and we lasted six months. 695 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and then I applied for the job 696 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: that I originally didn't get in Melbourne and because the 697 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: other person left and I ended up moving down after 698 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: six months. I was like, you'd be crazy on tire me, 699 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: like you need me, and they will I and my 700 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: raw talent, do we really? And I was like, you 701 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: need me, like you'd be crazy not tire me. And 702 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: I've never done that in my life. I don't think 703 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: I've ever done it since that I've walked in somewhere 704 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, you would this is the right decision, 705 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: But I did, and they believed me, and then I 706 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: moved down to Melbourne, and yeah, I've been in Melbourne 707 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: ever since. 708 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. See this is a bit like the 709 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: bit between the first job and where you are now 710 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: is the bit where I think maybe in generations ago, 711 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: the pathways were kind of clearer and it was easier 712 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: to goal set and to be, like, you know, in 713 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: ten years, this is where the person who did this 714 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: before me ended up. So that's where I can be 715 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: whereas I feel like in our ja neration, no one's 716 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: pathways like straightforward. It makes sense, there's no by the 717 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: book no, But that does mean that either you can 718 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: do anything, like anything is possible, but also nothing is 719 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: possible because unless you kind of are willing to use 720 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: uncertainty to your advantage, then you might not necessarily end 721 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: up where you have. So how did you, like, was 722 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: it the itchy feet? Did you plan where you are now? 723 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: Was that always the big goal or did you have 724 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: lots of I'm a big fan of like the small goals, 725 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: like you don't have to what's that calle, You don't 726 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: have to see the whole staircase, You just have to 727 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: take the first step. Is that kind of how each 728 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: thing unraveled? Or were you always like I want to 729 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: end up with my own show. 730 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: I think it was probably the small steps, but by accident. Yeah, 731 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't I think that. When I got to Breakfast 732 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 1: Radio in Melbourne, I was just a producer, but I 733 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: was like, this show is great. I'm really happy. I 734 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: was in my dream city. Like I grew up in 735 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Perth and I always wanted to end up in Melbourne. 736 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: My boyfriend was the same, he was like, I'd love 737 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: to live in Melbourne and then so it was kind 738 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: of like that was such a personal goal. But then 739 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: getting that job, I was like cool, like I could 740 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: stay here forever. And then you know, only to a 741 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: couple of years before I was like, okay, well I 742 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: can't stay here forever. But I did not ever think 743 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: that I would have my own show or that I 744 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: would ever because I I guess I was always waiting 745 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: for someone to be like, do you want this? Like 746 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: would you like this? It's your turn? And that actually 747 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. 748 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, like. 749 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't and even if you and this is not 750 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: just I don't want this to sound super unrelatable, because 751 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I think this is the case like any job, any circumstance, 752 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: Like no one ever just says like, oh you've been 753 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: waiting really patiently, did you want this job as a nurse? 754 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: Or did so hard for this? You know, like there's 755 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: actually no one taking note of that, like you have 756 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: to tell someone. And then when I realized that, I 757 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: was like, look, you know, i'd really like to be 758 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: on the air. I'd like to be on the radio. 759 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, well, you're just a producer, and 760 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay, and I like took that 761 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: no for an answer, which is the opposite of what 762 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. You're supposed to never take no 763 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: for an answer, and I was like, oh, okay, well 764 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: someone told me I couldn't, so I guess that's just it. 765 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: And then when I met Ryan, who I now do 766 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: the podcast with, he is like the biggest He is 767 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: like such a go getter. He is like just always inspired, 768 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: He's always ready to go. Like he just if someone 769 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: says no to him, he will question it or he'll go, 770 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: oh okay, well I just won't ask next time and 771 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,959 Speaker 1: I'll just do it myself. And I'm like, oh my god, Okay, 772 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: that's like not what I'm like at all by nature. 773 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: And then he was like, well, Tony, if no one 774 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: will give you a show, create your own. And I 775 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: was like, would you want to? You want to do 776 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: it with me? And that's how it happened really much. 777 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 2: So that actually kind of leads it's a segyefully into 778 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: like part of the conversation is always around your which 779 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: is the bits that you don't see as much of 780 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: because like, no one wants to be a negative Nancy. 781 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 2: But I think it's the bit that helps you more 782 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 2: to hear about on your own journey that everyone has 783 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: a shit time, right, like even to get to the 784 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 2: funnest parts or the most fulfilling parts, or the coolest 785 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: jobs or whatever. To get to your joy. There's always 786 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: shitty bits along the way, And I think one of 787 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: them is like that self doubt that you know, inability 788 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: to question a know, the waiting for something to happen 789 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: to you and not having the confidence to you know, 790 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 2: make it happen for yourself. And also if you don't 791 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: have a ryan or you don't have like the people 792 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: around you to question those things, how are you ever 793 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: going to change your mindset? And I had the exact 794 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: same thing, Like lawyers are so risk averse, so as 795 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: soon as there's an opportunity, I'm like, why should it 796 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 2: not work? Like that was my training was why is 797 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 2: this shit? Like? What's going to go wrong? And I 798 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: was never going to be able to do business that way. 799 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: I needed a person who is the total opposite to 800 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: kind of you just need to fill the gaps of 801 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: your own thinking to get yourself out of the same 802 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: thing you've always done for you in that whole journey. 803 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: What have been the biggest barriers that you've had to overcome? 804 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 2: Is it the imposter syndrome and self doubt coming from 805 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: smaller town into these huge cities. Is it that like 806 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 2: overwhelm of like hy me or you've said no, like rejection. 807 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: I know, grief was a massive thing for you that 808 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: I hadn't actually heard you talk about, because there is 809 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: this perception of you as like always funny and always 810 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: seeing the happy and the joy, which is i'm sure 811 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 2: a big part of your personality, but not the only 812 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 2: thing you've been through. So what were the hardest parts? 813 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, the first thing that you said about like the 814 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome and just like the self doubt that was huge. 815 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: I you know, not only were they're not really any 816 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: people that I knew that had ever done what I 817 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: wanted to do. You know, like if you want to 818 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: be a lawyer or a teacher, chances are that your 819 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: dad says, oh, well, Mick down the road, he's a lawyer. 820 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, he's a horse. 821 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 2: Question, dude, he can do the Navy eight. 822 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: You know, like there's just all these you know, people 823 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: around you that you see these similarities between like what 824 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: you want to achieve or what you want to do, 825 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: the same way that like if you see your mum 826 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: being a mum, you go, okay, well I want to 827 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: be a mum or whatever, you just assume that your 828 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: journey is going to look like that. And I didn't 829 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: know anybody that had done what I There are millions 830 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: of people that have done what I have now done, 831 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: but I didn't know anyone. I also didn't really know 832 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: anybody that like considered it a job, you know, like 833 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: it was such a new thing, and I didn't really 834 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: know what it was. I just I was like, I 835 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: want to be famous, and I know that I will be. 836 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: I just don't know how I'm going to get there. 837 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,479 Speaker 1: And for someone who is like such a self doubter, 838 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: it's almost weird to hear myself reminisce on that time 839 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: when I was like, well, I'm going to be famous, 840 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: so I don't need I don't need to worry about it. 841 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: Like just gonna happen. 842 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: But I was, and I didn't know what it was 843 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: and I didn't know why. But I remember like seeing 844 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: mansions at the top of the in rolling Stone, like 845 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: in Perth where I grew up, and saying to my 846 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: mum like, oh, one day I'm going to live there 847 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: and you'll be visiting me there. 848 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 2: Like you just knew. 849 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: I was just like yeah, one day, I mean, she's 850 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: dead so she isn't and I don't live in Perth anymore, 851 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: so so you know, so that's all over. But but 852 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: my there was just there was so much like I 853 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: was literally two people in one brain, and that was 854 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: really hard because I was battling with this person who 855 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: was like so fucking positive and so sure of myself, 856 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: but doubting every single step of the way and being like, well, 857 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: you can't, like you can't do that, that's not possible. 858 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: You don't know anyone that's done that, how you do it? 859 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: You know that, Like it's not what you know, but 860 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: who you know. And so I was like, well I 861 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: don't know anyone, so like this isn't nobody. Yeah, so 862 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: this isn't possible. Yeah. And then the other part was 863 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: the grief obviously, like dealing with my mom passing away. 864 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: So my mom passed away when I was nineteen, which 865 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: is just insane, and she was sick for like a year, 866 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: so it was quite quick as well. And yeah, like 867 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: I was saying before, I was at UNI at the time, 868 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: so I was just like I had no idea how 869 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: to recover from that and what to do, and because 870 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: it was like such a traumatic thing and I didn't 871 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: have any kind of emotional intelligence to deal with to 872 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: deal with that at the time, I just like pushed 873 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: it down and I was like, oh my god, I'm 874 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: actually fine, like wind Tony one grief zero like I'm 875 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 1: actually fine, and then negative fifty like and then when 876 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: I moved to Melbourne and I finally felt like quite 877 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: fulfilled at my job, it's when all of these feelings 878 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,959 Speaker 1: started to come out about my mum and I didn't 879 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: know what to do. I couldn't. I just couldn't handle it. 880 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,959 Speaker 1: But I needed, I really needed to talk to someone 881 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: about it. And that's where the book I Don't Need 882 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: Therapy it was kind of born because I was like, well, 883 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't need that. I'm fine, and then 884 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: I did needed. 885 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: She did, in fact therapy. 886 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I feel like that part is such 887 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: a massive part of who I am because and this 888 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: way sounds really twisted and people go oh when I 889 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: say it, but I'm almost so grateful that my mom 890 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: died because well, not that I'm grateful that she died, 891 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: but I know what you mean, Like, I am so 892 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: grateful that I learned so much about myself at such 893 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: a young age and built all of these kind of 894 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: things into my personality. I can now handle so much 895 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: more stuff than I ever thought was possible. Like, I 896 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: learned so much about it, and it's like I wouldn't 897 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: want her to die in Vain and not get anything 898 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: out of it. So I'm really glad that, Like, even 899 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: though I would give anything for her to still be here, 900 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I learned something and took something away 901 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: from it. Even though it's horrible and sad, it is 902 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: really changed. I wouldn't I would be living in Perth. 903 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: I'd probably be married, I'd probably have three kids. If 904 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: she hadn't died, I'd probably just still be in Perth. 905 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: And that's fine, but that isn't retrospectively, that's not the 906 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: life that I want for myself. It's not what I 907 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: want for myself then. But I would have just been 908 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: so comfy, and that light pushed me right out of 909 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: the nest. 910 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting because I think it's it brings 911 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 2: me back to that whole idea that life is so 912 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 2: much like maybe not these exact proportions, but ten percent 913 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 2: what happens to you in ninety percent what you make 914 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 2: of it. Like if she was going to pass away 915 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 2: when you were nineteen, if that was in the stars 916 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 2: for you, no matter what, it's what you did with 917 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 2: it afterwards. That grief can become people's entire identity, and 918 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: there are people out there who it has become like 919 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 2: their story, like that is the rest of their life 920 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 2: that they they you know, didn't have the tools to 921 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: harness it into something or to now be able to 922 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 2: speak about it like this, or to go on to 923 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: become the funniest person in Australia who you can't imagine you, 924 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 2: Like if you met you now and I hadn't read 925 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 2: the book and didn't know that, I can't imagine you 926 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 2: in the throes of grief because yeah, you know what 927 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 2: I mean. And I think that's a really beautiful thing 928 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: for anyone listening, because you think, I think you could 929 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 2: assume easily that to be a you now, you can't 930 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: have had anything like that in your life, like totally, 931 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 2: you can't have had trauma, you can't have had setbacks, 932 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: you can't have had negativity, because how could you be funny, 933 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 2: Like how could you be so lighthearted? How could you 934 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 2: be like making people laugh all the time? How could 935 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 2: you see the lightness in life. But I think it's 936 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: even more powerful knowing that you did come from that. 937 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think as well, lots of I get 938 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: lots of messages all the time of people being like 939 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: I have experienced grief, whether it was like a sibling 940 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: or a parent pass away or you know, whatever circumstance 941 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: it was. And I said, I've never heard somebody make 942 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: jokes about their mum passing away and I've never related 943 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: to something more. Yeah, right, And I because I do 944 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: it because it's like a way for me to talk 945 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, because like you know, like if you 946 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: were like, oh, it was on the phone to mum 947 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: this morning and whatever, I don't have that, Like I 948 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: don't you know. And I mean everybody has like a 949 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: complicated relationship with their family. I don't think it matters 950 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: who you are. I think that there is some you know, 951 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: complication there or some weird feeling. But I think hearing 952 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: people say I've never related to anything more when like 953 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: making jokes about it, it does show that like people just 954 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: want to talk totally. And it's like even if you 955 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: I've said before, I think that apologizing to someone when 956 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: someone passed away is just the worst thing that you 957 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: can do. You know, when you say to someone like, oh, 958 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,479 Speaker 1: my mom's just passed away, they go, oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, 959 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: and I go, well you didn't kill her. It's like, actually, 960 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: not like there's nothing for you to apologize for. Also, 961 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: when I'm feeling crap about my mum being dead or 962 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: my you know whatever, I don't want to then go, oh, it's. 963 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, you don't want to precate the other person. 964 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So then am I comforting you even though I'm 965 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: the one who at that time needs the love. Yeah? 966 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: And I never thought of like that. And then someone 967 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: said to me, they like called me out. They're like, well, 968 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: what should you say then? And I was like, I 969 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: actually think that saying I really don't know what to say, 970 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: or asking someone what they want is so much better 971 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: and such a powerful way to kind of turn the 972 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: situation into like opening it up, because sometimes people actually 973 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: just want you to listen, whether it's like crying and 974 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: yelling and screaming, or whether it's like can we just 975 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: go and watch a movie and not talk, but you 976 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: just be here. And my partner, my boyfriend, Torbs, we've 977 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: been together flat almost ten years, and he does this 978 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: and he says like, whenever I'm like having a MENTI 979 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: bee about something or ranting and raving about something that 980 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: happened at the shops or at work, whatever, he says, 981 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,439 Speaker 1: are we feelings or solutions based right now? 982 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I talked about this reason I 983 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: saw a meme that was like a similar thing. Life changing, 984 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 2: so good, life changing. 985 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: It has changed because not only does it give me 986 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: what I want in that moment, makes me think about 987 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: what I want, Like do I want to be like, oh, 988 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: so this bitch cut me off in the car park, 989 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: and do I just want to like be a dick 990 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: about that for five minutes, or do I want him 991 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: to go like, well maybe in the future. I don't 992 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: know what the. 993 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 2: Don't steal a car park when she's unloading her baby Tony. 994 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: Such a bitch, such an extreme kid. 995 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 2: She she's postpartum. 996 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: Literally I would just with a record, I would not 997 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: do that. But like, it's really changed our relationship because 998 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: he's like, you get what you want out of me, 999 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: and then it feels so much more satisfying because I 1000 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: then go, I actually just want to whinge about and 1001 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: he goes, well, what a bitch? Yeah, yes, Instead of going, well, 1002 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: were you in the wrong or you know. 1003 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 2: It is like when I read that, I was like, 1004 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 2: that is one of the most game changing thought provokers 1005 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 2: for anyone, because if you don't know, like you can't 1006 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 2: get the response from your partner if you don't even 1007 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: know what you want exactly. But also they can't give 1008 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 2: it to you if you don't just say I actually 1009 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 2: don't want a solution. And I think because men often 1010 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 2: like masternalization, but men's default thinking is a solution is 1011 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 2: a love language, like that's helping you, but I often 1012 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 2: don't want one. 1013 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: Like no my or need one for that specific Yeah, 1014 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: I was wrong. 1015 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 2: I just want to feel like I was correct, So 1016 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 2: help me for a second and then I'll get past it. 1017 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 2: And I think, like, without even realizing, that's how Nick 1018 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 2: and I survived in business because we learned how to 1019 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 2: do that without knowing that that's but once I put 1020 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 2: a label on it, I was like, oh, oh, that's. 1021 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: What we do. 1022 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And now like, if you can get to it quickly, 1023 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 2: you avoid so much conflict. 1024 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. And because then I'm not like, oh, you never 1025 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: give me what I want, He's like, well, you don't 1026 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 1: tell me what you need from me? So we've been 1027 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: doing that for a couple of years and he always 1028 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: asked me that now, and I'm like, oh, that's exactly 1029 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: I needed you to call me out then, Like I 1030 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: actually needed you to be like, Tony, what are we 1031 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: doing here? Yeah? Yeah, And I find it really helpful. 1032 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's that's revolutionary, among so many other 1033 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 2: things in this book that are revolutionary. And I think 1034 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 2: it's beautiful that so many people have, particularly on the 1035 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 2: grief topic, but on every topic. You've opened up so 1036 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 2: much about to let people see that it's not all 1037 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 2: just laughter and hilarious content, like truly hilarious, but there 1038 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 2: are so many sides of you that people can really 1039 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 2: relate to. What has it been like to write the book? 1040 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: Cathartic? 1041 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 3: Horrible, amazing, scary, like. 1042 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 2: Did you get a vulnerability hangover? We were talking before 1043 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,240 Speaker 2: we went on air about how like the writing process 1044 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 2: is so long and you don't tell anyone about it, 1045 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 2: that your journey started like a year ago, so you 1046 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 2: kind of get a little bit over your own book 1047 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 2: by the time you just like, ill, how do you 1048 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 2: feel about it now? 1049 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,879 Speaker 1: So the writing journey was definitely very cathartic because there 1050 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: was like so many things, and for anybody that doesn't know, 1051 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: every chapter of the book is built on a lie. 1052 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: So I started reading writing the book and I was like, oh, 1053 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, like what should the layout be? And you know, 1054 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: what do I really want to like convey in this? 1055 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you know, like I want 1056 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: to talk about how I always wake up at five 1057 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: am and I go to the gym. And I was like, well, 1058 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't fucking do that. And then I was like, 1059 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk about how I'm always positive and 1060 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: like really happy, go lucky. And then I was like, 1061 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: well I don't fucking do that either, and then so 1062 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 1: all these things that I realized. I was like, man, 1063 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: I lie to myself so much. And then I was like, 1064 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: hang on, I actually do. Yeah, I actually do lie 1065 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: to myself all the time, whether it is something as 1066 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: easy as and in the book, I said, like, you 1067 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: know when you tell yourself like oh, that pot should 1068 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: probably soak overnight, like yeah, I think it does. 1069 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 2: Need to be ready to be ready. 1070 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll soak that and maybe someone else in the 1071 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: house will get to it tomorrow very well, that toobs 1072 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: will wake up and be like fucking hell, it's so 1073 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: that by didn't have you boiled water, like it did 1074 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: not need to be soaked. 1075 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 2: Overnight triven noodles, and. 1076 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: But so like really simple things like that, and then 1077 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: lying times off about being happy and being fulfilled and 1078 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: feeling you know, like I was at the top of 1079 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: my game. And so I think the book was my 1080 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: version of like confronting myself on all of these things 1081 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: that Yeah, because I was like, wow, I even all 1082 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,959 Speaker 1: these little things that I just realized that I say 1083 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot that I was like, I don't mean that, 1084 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: or I don't feel good about this thing that I 1085 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: do all the time, or you know, lots of different 1086 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: kinds of things, and I found it to be just 1087 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,280 Speaker 1: so such an amazing experience. But yeah, I think because 1088 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: the period of like writing the book, so I wrote 1089 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: it in like six months, and then it was another 1090 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,479 Speaker 1: six months of like printing and editing it and you 1091 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: read it before it ever came out. Your little quote there. 1092 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 2: It's like like gonna be in my bio, like my 1093 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: title is now provider of book A quote. 1094 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 3: Seriously, you read my email to you when you asked me, was. 1095 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: Like, why, well, why do you want me? 1096 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 2: This is the most like this is the best things 1097 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 2: ever happen in my life. 1098 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: No, So I was just like, she's gonna say no, 1099 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: Like there's no way. I was honestly so honored when 1100 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: you said yes, yeah, because I asked you to read 1101 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: an entire book for like, because like I can't pay you, 1102 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: Like I can't pay you because that would be like 1103 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 1: incredibly unethical. Imagine if I was like, I'll pay you 1104 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: to give me a really good. 1105 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 2: Review, I would have been like how much. 1106 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, my fees and. 1107 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,720 Speaker 2: Issues are like a free added in. They're an adult 1108 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 2: gift we purchase. 1109 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: But like, I can't even remember what I was probably 1110 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: wasn't interesting. 1111 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 2: It was such an honor and to like I poured 1112 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 2: over it. I printed it. I got like printed out 1113 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 2: the PDF and was like scribbling all over the place 1114 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 2: and it was it was I would. 1115 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: Take that out. But I wonder if you've seen this 1116 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: three times. 1117 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 2: No, it was such a joy, And I think it 1118 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 2: was such a joy to feel like, and you said 1119 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 2: this about the show, that to feel like we know 1120 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 2: you so well and we have such an intimate insight 1121 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 2: into what you find funny, into you and Ryan's day 1122 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 2: to day, like you talk so much and share so 1123 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 2: much about your life to feel like we know you, 1124 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 2: but then to see this whole other side of how 1125 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 2: your brain works. And my ultimate joy, Like the thing 1126 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 2: I get off on so much is who people were 1127 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 2: before they are now, because I feel like you understand 1128 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 2: them so much better. It gives so much depth to like, 1129 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just feel like I was like 1130 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 2: unraveling this whole other side of you, and I loved it. 1131 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 2: I loved it so much. 1132 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. But I think exactly like you said earlier, 1133 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: most people are like, oh, so you're famous, so you 1134 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: always had that, or oh so you've got a really 1135 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: successful business job, a huge family of beautiful kids or whatever, 1136 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: and you just go, oh, well, you know, obviously your 1137 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,360 Speaker 1: life's always been peachy. I think my favorite books to 1138 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: read are autobiographies and biographies because I love reading that, like, 1139 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, these famous people that you love have had 1140 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: like such a hard goal of it beforehand, but yeah, 1141 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: when you see the background and see where they are now, 1142 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: I find that really inspiring. And then so to hear 1143 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: people feeling that way about what I've written as well 1144 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: is like just I speechless. It's honestly so incredible because 1145 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: I was like, if this only changes one person great, 1146 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: you know. And I've got messages from people being like, 1147 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,320 Speaker 1: my mom read your book after I told her too, 1148 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 1: Like I was like, this book's great, and she was like, 1149 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: and my mom is now going to go to therapy 1150 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: because she's realized all these things in her life that 1151 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: have happened. And like an older generation like therapy is 1152 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 1: not really a thing, you know. I think it's like 1153 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: destigmatized now and people are like happy to get help, 1154 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: and you know, know when we learn to recognize when 1155 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: we need a bit of a hand or that is a. 1156 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 2: Weakness exactly, yeah, like there's something wrong with you, like 1157 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,280 Speaker 2: you're faulty because you need help. 1158 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: In fact, now I would say that it's considered the opposite. 1159 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 2: It's like enlightened. 1160 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that you have the ability to like read your 1161 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: own cues and go. I do need actually to riff 1162 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: about this with somebody. But to hear that there are 1163 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: older people that are going to therapy because of what 1164 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: I wrote is like I can't believe that that's really amazing. 1165 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been beautiful. 1166 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 2: I've like literally spent I've like literally spent like thousands 1167 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 2: of dollars on therapy, like one hundred percent wouldn't be 1168 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:47,840 Speaker 2: who I am without it. 1169 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's really empowering to realize that you 1170 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 1: are allowed to like need help and that it's only natural. 1171 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: And almost to the point where I was like, oh 1172 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: my god, but if I need someone, I'm cuckoo. And 1173 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: I was like, actually I am kokoo, a cuckoo. 1174 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to find out why, but I want 1175 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,320 Speaker 2: to talk about, like just let's just ventilate the cuckoo 1176 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 2: the cuck I like that. So one of the things 1177 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 2: I think was really interesting that I read in the 1178 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 2: book was how during your time with Jason PJ. I 1179 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 2: love PJ so much. On her podcast, raisently if you 1180 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 2: did show no I haven't. 1181 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: No. 1182 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 2: She's such a legend. 1183 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah she is, And there was a chapter about her. 1184 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 2: I think another thing I love is how many times 1185 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 2: in people's journeys there's a pivotal conversation. There's often like 1186 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 2: it's not sometimes the courses you go to or the 1187 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,839 Speaker 2: big strategy days that you have. It's like one chat 1188 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 2: you have with someone or one day that Ryan says, 1189 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 2: if you don't want to do a show, then do 1190 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 2: some videos. Just do them, like you know, it's it's 1191 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 2: just some it's often in the smaller moments that someone 1192 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 2: says something to you and when it catches. 1193 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: You off guard. Yeah, and that's often when you're the 1194 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: most open to change as well. 1195 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're not forcing something to happen, but it 1196 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 2: becomes a pivotal moment. And you guys had a conversation 1197 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 2: about her asking you why do you want to be famous? 1198 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 2: Why have you always wanted this? And what does that 1199 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 2: mean to you? And it kind of touches on the 1200 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,840 Speaker 2: theme of this show, which is that often most of 1201 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 2: us been all of our lives measuring our lives by success, 1202 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 2: which is financial, which is prestige, which is like, you 1203 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 2: know whatever, it's measured by followers like numbers, metrics to 1204 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 2: you that are used to measure our lives. And you 1205 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 2: realize that it wasn't necessarily fame in itself that you wanted. 1206 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,719 Speaker 2: It was a place where you could just be you 1207 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 2: and where you didn't have to tell lies to yourself, 1208 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 2: and where you could write a book where you confront 1209 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 2: yourself on your lives and then let people see it, 1210 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,239 Speaker 2: like release that to the public. So how do you 1211 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 2: feel now, having kind of gone through that entire cycle, 1212 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 2: do you feel famous, do you feel successful and do 1213 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 2: you feel happy? 1214 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: Definitely feel happy. That's the biggest one. I have like 1215 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: so much freedom as well now and that's probably what 1216 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 1: I value more over. And it's easy to say when 1217 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,919 Speaker 1: you've got it, right, I think that's the other thing 1218 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: that to acknowledge that, Like it's easy to say this 1219 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,960 Speaker 1: when you have it, when you do have freedom. But 1220 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, like I was really happy 1221 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,320 Speaker 1: and I wasn't earning great money, but I was doing okay, 1222 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: and my partner was studying, so that was quite tight. 1223 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: I was like supporting both of us for a long time. 1224 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: But like I was feeling really happy at the job, 1225 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: but it just wasn't the right one. And now to 1226 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,960 Speaker 1: look at things and not you know, get the Sunday 1227 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: scaries and not have like that depressive time on the 1228 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: weekend where I go I have to go back to 1229 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: work on Monday, or being like, oh I think I'm sick. 1230 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I can come in Like I just 1231 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: really genuinely get so much enjoyment out of what I 1232 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,560 Speaker 1: do every day, and I I'm so so lucky to 1233 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: be able to actually do that for a job, whether 1234 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: at last forever, whether it last for five years whatever. 1235 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm just going to enjoy it for as long as 1236 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: I can. But to know that I've gone through that 1237 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: whole cycle of like realizing and being able to actually 1238 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: like pinpoint what it was that I wanted, which was 1239 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: the freedom to know that I could go to work 1240 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: every day and not work with people that I don't 1241 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: like or you know, like be challenged in a positive 1242 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: way rather than feeling like I'm being attacked all the 1243 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,040 Speaker 1: time or whatever. And then you look back on all 1244 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: these jobs that you've had and you go, wow, I 1245 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: thought that I was so happy at the time, but 1246 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't. And you spend more time at your job 1247 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 1: than you do with your family. 1248 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 2: Doing anything else in it. 1249 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 1: Yes, So I just I think that now knowing that 1250 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: we have the freedom to do crazy things like go 1251 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: and film the Quantus video and you know, like that 1252 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: you know that I'm sitting here with you today and 1253 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: this is worklack. I just I'm very very lucky. But 1254 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: I think to have gone through all of that, I 1255 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't appreciate what I have now as much if I 1256 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: hadn't had to kind of really figure it out. If 1257 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: that makes sense, Yeah, totally. 1258 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 2: And I think it's so interesting how you can visibly 1259 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 2: see looking back, like it only makes sense in retrospect, 1260 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 2: but looking at each chapter, you can see how your 1261 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 2: metrics for what you thought, whether you thought that was 1262 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,160 Speaker 2: good or not, have changed. And it's almost like and 1263 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's still there, but that whole like am 1264 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 2: I there yet? The whole itchy feet thing? It's almost 1265 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 2: seems like it's settled down a lot because you are there, yeah, 1266 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 2: and you're sort of like, I can just enjoy being 1267 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 2: here now, I'm not like itchy for the next thing, 1268 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 2: because often that itch is only because you're someone where 1269 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 2: you you don't want to be anymore, yep. And it 1270 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 2: kind of it calms down a bit when you're like, 1271 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 2: this is actually this is ticking the boxes, like, yes, 1272 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 2: is it? And it might worry too much about tomorrow? 1273 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think as well, knowing that it's not 1274 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: everyone's end point, like this is what I'm doing at 1275 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,960 Speaker 1: the moment is someone's worst nightmare, but yeah, other people 1276 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: are doing is my worst? You know, Like, I think 1277 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: there are so many different ways of looking at it. 1278 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: And as you were saying, well for about the metrics 1279 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: of success and just realizing that just because somebody else 1280 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 1: has a lot of money doesn't mean they're happy, vice versa. 1281 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many ways of looking at it. 1282 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,440 Speaker 1: But knowing that now, I just feel like all the 1283 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: things that I thought really mattered are actually not as 1284 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 1: important to how I feel about life now. That's quite 1285 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: cool and very freeing, like because I was I think 1286 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 1: I said this in the book. I was like, Oh, 1287 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,600 Speaker 1: my life will be so much easier and I feel 1288 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,440 Speaker 1: so much more confident If I have ten thousand followers 1289 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram, it actually means fucking nothing. It doesn't mean 1290 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: any like once you get there and then you go, oh, 1291 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600 Speaker 1: there's always something else. And I was always comparing myself 1292 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: to other people, being like, oh, well they must be 1293 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: funnier than me because you know they've got XYZ opportunity 1294 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: and whatever. But like it didn't you know, someone else 1295 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 1: being good at something doesn't mean that you're bad at it. True, 1296 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 1: but it's so easy to especially now with Instagram and everything, 1297 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,040 Speaker 1: like it's so easy to just always compare yourself to 1298 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: where other people are at. But you know, they might 1299 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,520 Speaker 1: look happy, but they might not be. Yeah, And not 1300 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 1: that I would ever wish that on anybody, but like 1301 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting and important to keep perspective of 1302 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: that stuff. 1303 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and realize what your happiness is tied to, 1304 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 2: and like letting go of tying it to some of 1305 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 2: those things, realizing that that actually it not that like 1306 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 2: money and metrics aren't important because we wouldn't have our 1307 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 2: careers if we didn't think about it to an extent. 1308 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's easier to say it when things going well. Yeah, 1309 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 2: but it's not. It doesn't equal happiness, like you've got 1310 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 2: to find it in other places. And it's interesting. There 1311 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 2: was a paragraph, I think towards the end where you 1312 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: were like, we've had so much success, Like the stats 1313 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 2: on Tony and Ryan and then on the book as 1314 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 2: well are astronomical, like it's one of the best performing 1315 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 2: shows in the country. There's like the stats on each video, 1316 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 2: like it's huge, the followers, you've a mass, the likes 1317 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 2: you've got. But it's funny that you were saying those 1318 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,959 Speaker 2: particular parts of it they allow what you do now, 1319 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 2: but they didn't actually make much of a dramatic difference 1320 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 2: to your day to day Like those aren't there that Yeah, 1321 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 2: you know that change much. You're like, okay, cool, we've 1322 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 2: achieved those milestones. But that's not the bit that makes 1323 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 2: you happy. It's what it allows. It's a community you've 1324 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,919 Speaker 2: grown and the conversations you can have now. 1325 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like that stuff is all yeah, it's 1326 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,680 Speaker 1: all important and obviously yeah allows me to do what 1327 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: I do. But I think that I was like, oh, well, 1328 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,280 Speaker 1: when I get that, I'll be fine. But then it's like, oh, 1329 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: well you get that, like keep growing and that's the 1330 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,480 Speaker 1: next metric. Yeah, And then instead of that scaring me, 1331 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, like, let's reach more people. Let's you know, 1332 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,919 Speaker 1: how are more people going to listen? And I think 1333 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: as well, just acknowledging that if you really want to 1334 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: be rich, that's actually fine. 1335 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a metrics. 1336 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: If the thing that you want to do is be 1337 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: rich as fuck, then do it. Yeah. Like and I 1338 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: think there's so many, you know, such a stigma of 1339 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: being like, oh you want to be rich, Like well 1340 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: if you do, but that's actually like that's fine. It 1341 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,600 Speaker 1: might be your metric. You might be doing something else. 1342 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:56,880 Speaker 1: It might be like I just really want to buy 1343 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: my own home or whatever, but like if you want 1344 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: to do that, things like do it, but just own it. 1345 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or don't yeah, or don't realize that that's 1346 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 2: not the thing that makes Yeah, I know what you mean, Like, 1347 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 2: don't make it your b all and end or but 1348 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 2: if that is your old metric, then like that's fine 1349 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, if it's not your metric, don't spend 1350 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,440 Speaker 2: your life chasing it exactly. 1351 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1352 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 2: Do you feel famous now? Like when was the moment 1353 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,480 Speaker 2: when you thought, oh my god, I'm actually like fucking 1354 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 2: famous because in. 1355 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: The Bull not fucking famous. 1356 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 2: It was that your vagina was recognized. 1357 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, at the moment that was pretty terrifying. 1358 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 2: Imagine it, like, yes, I am Tony Long, thank you 1359 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,439 Speaker 2: my left flack. 1360 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Who Oh, that's a weird one. It's a weird question, 1361 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,000 Speaker 1: and it. 1362 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,800 Speaker 2: Is such a weird question and it's such an ick. 1363 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 2: But also because you talk about a lot in the 1364 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,280 Speaker 2: book that you. 1365 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Went to when you were younger, I do I think 1366 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: you know when something happens really slowly, like the frog 1367 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: in a potter boiling, Like if you put a frog 1368 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,360 Speaker 1: in a pot of boiling water, it'll jump straight out. 1369 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 1: But if you put it in slow and like heat 1370 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: it up slowly, you know it just like it gets 1371 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: used to it, I feel like because it kind of 1372 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: happened quickly, but like in a you know. 1373 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's deadily gradual over a short amount of time. 1374 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't as if one day I walked outside 1375 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: and there was like a thousand paparazzi at my door 1376 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,720 Speaker 1: and that's still not the case. Yeah my god, they're 1377 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 1: outside right now. 1378 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 2: I call the dail and was like, it's gonna be 1379 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 2: inframed today. 1380 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: But but I think it's probably more just that, like 1381 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: we have people every single day, like joining our Facebook 1382 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: group and your messaging on Instagram being like just found 1383 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,919 Speaker 1: you guys. Going back through the catalog, love the pod 1384 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 1: so much. That stuff is like so cool and I 1385 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 1: can't believe that people are finding it. But probably the 1386 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: very cool like box Tick moment the billboard, Oh my god, yeah, 1387 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so cool. It was what the fuck? 1388 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm just like then my face was just up there. 1389 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay. And it was in Perth. 1390 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: So that's why I grew up. So all these people 1391 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 1: like I went to school in Uni, we and my 1392 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: family and we're like, oh my god, I've seen a thing. 1393 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,960 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, how weird. You know. That was 1394 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: a real That was fucking cool. I'm not even going 1395 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,960 Speaker 1: to play that down. That was so cool. That was terrible. 1396 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 2: So I haven't spent that much time on tap the 1397 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,720 Speaker 2: Tony and Ryan Show, guys, in case you didn't want that, man, 1398 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 2: because it's one of the things that it's easy to 1399 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 2: get access to the show, Like people often meet you 1400 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 2: at this chapter and you know, I like to spend 1401 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 2: time and stuff that it doesn't get as much airtime. 1402 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 2: But I do want to ask you before we go, 1403 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,640 Speaker 2: what is it like working so closely with your work husband? Like, 1404 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 2: what are your favorite things about Ryan? I've asked him 1405 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 2: these questions about you too, it because we're fellow adoptees, 1406 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 2: by the way. 1407 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is so interesting, right. 1408 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 2: So we've been trying to do his episode for probably 1409 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,520 Speaker 2: even longer than you and I think to do. So 1410 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 2: he's going to add these about you. I like that, 1411 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 2: But favorite things about working with him and biggest like 1412 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,440 Speaker 2: x or pet peeves about working with him. 1413 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,160 Speaker 1: He's always late, which I hate. Is he always fucking late? 1414 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Always so busy? 1415 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, how's he fit that all in? 1416 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,880 Speaker 1: I know, how does he fit in being late? I 1417 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:25,640 Speaker 1: know it's very impressive. He Honestly, I think it's very 1418 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,479 Speaker 1: easy to be like but he is a really great 1419 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: guy and he's the biggest champion of me, and he's 1420 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,040 Speaker 1: made me learn so much about like like that his 1421 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,320 Speaker 1: success is my success and vice versa. And so when, 1422 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: for example, when I got off with the book, I 1423 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, like, it's probably going to take up 1424 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: a bit of my time. Do you mind? He was like, Tony, 1425 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: of course you have to do that. Like he's very supportive, 1426 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680 Speaker 1: and I guess a bit like you were saying before 1427 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,480 Speaker 1: working a real challenge was that we met working in radio. 1428 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,160 Speaker 1: So we were just friends, like probably not even really 1429 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,280 Speaker 1: friends at first, like we just worked in the same building. 1430 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: We said hey to each other, like you know, it 1431 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 1: was just chill. And then all of a sudden, not 1432 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,520 Speaker 1: only were we friends, we were business partners and we 1433 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,400 Speaker 1: were you know, organized, like we've recently hired someone, so 1434 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 1: we're now managing a person. It's very exciting, you know. 1435 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 1: So we're managing a person, we're running a business. We 1436 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: like have to you know, go from being like funny 1437 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: and talking about soap up our ums to being like cool, 1438 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 1: did you did you like pay rent? And did you 1439 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, like Oh my god, have you took to 1440 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: the accountant about XYZ? You know, it's like working on 1441 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,560 Speaker 1: a relationship. All yeah, and it's probably the hardest I've 1442 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 1: ever had to work at a relationship before. We communicate 1443 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: quite differently as well. I'm a very I'm a talk 1444 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: but like I'm a talker, I'm a debriefer, like I 1445 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of information. I like really talking things out. 1446 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,360 Speaker 1: Whereas if I'm said to him, like if he said 1447 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: to me, like, cool, so we should hire someone, I'm well, 1448 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 1: let's think about the pros and cons. But if I 1449 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: said to him, should be higher someone, he'd go, oh, 1450 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: if you reckon, yep, just do it. Yeah, Like he's 1451 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,680 Speaker 1: very like, yep, like do it now, figure it out later. 1452 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeahs. 1453 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm the opposite about it. Yeah, I'm like a permission asker. Yeah. 1454 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 2: One really sweet thing he said about you, which is 1455 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,160 Speaker 2: a strength and a downfall at the same time, was 1456 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 2: that you if I said to you, Babe, I can 1457 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,680 Speaker 2: only do the podcast at two am and it's going 1458 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,160 Speaker 2: to be in Mars, you'd be like, I will bend 1459 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,799 Speaker 2: over backwards to be there. Like you're a real over deliverer, 1460 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,160 Speaker 2: Like you're very like you you're a beautiful people pleaser, 1461 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 2: and I'm the same. I just like, no, it's not 1462 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 2: my strength. 1463 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:40,680 Speaker 1: No, but it's really it's so hard because now I 1464 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 1: am so busy. Yeah, I have to flex those muscles 1465 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,920 Speaker 1: a bit more than I've ever had to, and that's 1466 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,240 Speaker 1: I find that really hard. 1467 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:48,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1468 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: Like literally, whenever anyone dms me with a go fund me, 1469 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I can't share it, but I just 1470 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,320 Speaker 1: donate myself, like it's costume me a fortune. But I'm 1471 01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:57,679 Speaker 1: the same. 1472 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,360 Speaker 2: It's like he would be or like Nick would say 1473 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 2: to me, you know there's a third option, like don't 1474 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 2: do any of those things. But I'm like, no, it's 1475 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 2: either all it's like yeah, people please one way or 1476 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 2: people the other way. 1477 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, if the only options are yes, Like for me, 1478 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,519 Speaker 1: things are very black and white. I'm like it's yes 1479 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: or no. And Ryan's like there is so much gray area, 1480 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: like something doesn't have to just be yes or no. 1481 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,280 Speaker 1: He's like, explore what else you could do instead? Such 1482 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,519 Speaker 1: a good one, which is like such a huge learning 1483 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,720 Speaker 1: for me because I'm like, oh, well, if someone says no, 1484 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 1: it's no. 1485 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like end of story. Yeah, here's my 1486 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars I'm donating kid, Yeah, fun because I 1487 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 2: feel that. 1488 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I'm just like, oh my god, did 1489 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,599 Speaker 1: I donate? Oh no, for too much whatever. But he's 1490 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,559 Speaker 1: just like, there are other things that you can say 1491 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,760 Speaker 1: to people that is still lovely. Yeah, And people are 1492 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,320 Speaker 1: allowed to ask and you're allowed to say no. 1493 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah revolutionary yep. 1494 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: When I was like, oh, I feel so rude asking, 1495 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: he was like, You're allowed to ask me anything you want, 1496 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,479 Speaker 1: but I'm allowed to say no. Yeah. Good, which is when, 1497 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,640 Speaker 1: again quite mind blowing, when all of a sudden, you 1498 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,360 Speaker 1: realize like, oh, that's people are just asking because that 1499 01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,960 Speaker 1: is their actual right to say whatever they want to 1500 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 1: ask a question. Yeah. But then if I say no 1501 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,959 Speaker 1: and they go okay, that's allowed. 1502 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:06,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1503 01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean if they are then unreasonable obviously that's a 1504 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:09,360 Speaker 1: different situation. 1505 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,640 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, yeah, it still takes my brain a 1506 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 2: lot to get on that. I'm like, wait, you have 1507 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 2: to ask, like, what do you mean? 1508 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Ye who said that? We got your permission to do that. 1509 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,800 Speaker 3: So you guys are now like how much what's the 1510 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:23,720 Speaker 3: workload are you? 1511 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,559 Speaker 2: Like? Full time? Tony and Ryan? 1512 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, like every day recording, so we record. We've got 1513 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,200 Speaker 1: a little studio in Richmond. 1514 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,080 Speaker 2: It's beautiful by the way, Yeah we love it, like 1515 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,120 Speaker 2: it looks so good. 1516 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah we love it. But yes we do that, and 1517 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,759 Speaker 1: then we kind of record and are in the studio 1518 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,840 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the week and leave the end 1519 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,479 Speaker 1: of the week to kind of travel if we need to, 1520 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 1: or take meetings or go out and film big stuff 1521 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,320 Speaker 1: like what we've just done with the Quantus video. We 1522 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: were traveling at the end of the week to try 1523 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,719 Speaker 1: and get everything done. But every week is really different, 1524 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,400 Speaker 1: which I love. Yeah, even as like a habit based person, 1525 01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,560 Speaker 1: it's quite fun knowing that there's always going to be 1526 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: something weird that we have to do. 1527 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 2: So one of the things I find with doing a 1528 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,360 Speaker 2: job where everything is so much fun and it's really 1529 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,799 Speaker 2: easy to blur the lines between work and play because 1530 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't really feel like work so much of it 1531 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,560 Speaker 2: is actually also fun that then you mentioned burnout of 1532 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 2: the start and being a people pleaser, it becomes really 1533 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,280 Speaker 2: difficult to actually do anything outside of work because everything 1534 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 2: is like incidentally also helping with your job. 1535 01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,400 Speaker 1: So oh, you're like, oh, something might pop up, so 1536 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,679 Speaker 1: I won't plan that thing because just in case. 1537 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and all you sort of like commit to an 1538 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,439 Speaker 2: entire weekend of fun stuff that's kind of work, but 1539 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 2: then on the Monday, like, why am I tired? And yeah, 1540 01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,120 Speaker 2: because you didn't take any time off that would still 1541 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 2: work even if it was fun work. So the last 1542 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,840 Speaker 2: section is called plata, which is really just the things 1543 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,759 Speaker 2: you do that aren't for work, that aren't like I would, 1544 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,920 Speaker 2: you know, listen to a business podcast, but because it 1545 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 2: was a podcast, I was. 1546 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Like like, oh this, Oh I'm honesting like it's. 1547 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,200 Speaker 2: Downtime, but it's not at all. So one of them, 1548 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 2: one of the chapters of your book or like little 1549 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,880 Speaker 2: sections of things that you love doing that are just 1550 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,160 Speaker 2: for fun was things that are my personal equivalent to 1551 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,760 Speaker 2: the first bite of a double quarter pounder. So that's 1552 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 2: your equivalent of plata, like the things that just make 1553 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,040 Speaker 2: you so happy? A do you make time for those now? 1554 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 2: Like do you have any kind of hobbies that aren't 1555 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,479 Speaker 2: audio or media or you know, TV anything related? What 1556 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 2: are they and how do you find happiness now that 1557 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,400 Speaker 2: isn't productivity. 1558 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,920 Speaker 1: I really struggle with this. This is like a really 1559 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,639 Speaker 1: hard because I feel bad about rest because I feel lazy. 1560 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: That's definitely like childhood trauma like creeping into my life. 1561 01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,800 Speaker 1: But recently I just started seeing a trainer, like a 1562 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 1: personal trainer. I saw this and. 1563 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 2: I was like, you're killing it. 1564 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,880 Speaker 1: I was like, what's on you. I was like, y'all go, 1565 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,000 Speaker 1: like see how it goes. And now I go three 1566 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: times a week. It makes me so happy. I like 1567 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,599 Speaker 1: look forward and I never thought that I'd be this person, 1568 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,040 Speaker 1: but I look forward to it every single day that 1569 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm like pumped for it. And that is 1570 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,800 Speaker 1: something where I don't have my phone on me, Like 1571 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,679 Speaker 1: it's literally in a locker in the gym, so not 1572 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,880 Speaker 1: like it's not near me at all and I'm just me, 1573 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,040 Speaker 1: which I really really like. I also love craft, Oh 1574 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: my god, I love this. Yeah. So I like have 1575 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,920 Speaker 1: like you know those cricket like cutting machines, so it's 1576 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,760 Speaker 1: like this like you put in all this stuff and 1577 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,679 Speaker 1: it will like cut out whatever you want. It's sick. 1578 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,000 Speaker 1: You google it. So I've got that. And I like 1579 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 1: love making like cards and like shit like that, and 1580 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of pointless and dumb, but I really like it. 1581 01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,479 Speaker 1: I've got clay, I've got calligraphy pens. 1582 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,520 Speaker 2: See, this is my thing all of us need like tactile, 1583 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:54,120 Speaker 2: non digital. Yeah, plays Ta that like you can't multitask 1584 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,559 Speaker 2: with Yeah. I feel like that's usually the definition. And 1585 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,760 Speaker 2: you can't survive this world being on your phone all 1586 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 2: the time without having something like ours is. We've started 1587 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,479 Speaker 2: doing c Z eight events that are Playta events to 1588 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 2: force people into joy and they're all crafty. They're like tufting. 1589 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,840 Speaker 2: We did Pino Percasso. Yes, I also need to get 1590 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,360 Speaker 2: a cutting out machine because I feel like I want 1591 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,040 Speaker 2: to cut out stuff. 1592 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:22,920 Speaker 1: Now you come around, just come over from Yes, it's. 1593 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,280 Speaker 3: Craft, yes, arts, and it's kindergarten. 1594 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,479 Speaker 1: It's fun. Oh my god. Because I think, like most people, 1595 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: my like downtime, very loose use of the term downtime 1596 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,600 Speaker 1: was like watching TV and being on my phone or 1597 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 1: scrolling Instagram. And now Instagram is work. Like when I'm 1598 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram, it's like, oh, I'll just reply to a 1599 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,599 Speaker 1: few messages or whatever, and like I really enjoy doing that, 1600 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,840 Speaker 1: but it is still your brain's like on, yeah, rather 1601 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,719 Speaker 1: than just sitting there and like drooling at the TV, 1602 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, which is sometimes lovely. 1603 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,479 Speaker 2: That's my downtime. 1604 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I realized that, like, oh I'm doing that, 1605 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,200 Speaker 1: and I'm on Instagram and I'm kind of thinking about 1606 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 1: like being on and doing work stuff. But yeah, so 1607 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 1: I've had to be very creative with like putting my 1608 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,160 Speaker 1: phone down and not being part of the you know, 1609 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:16,479 Speaker 1: Gridge what is it Gridge? Yeah, the metrics, I don't know. Yeah, 1610 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, I found those two things are like, yeah, 1611 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:30,559 Speaker 1: they've really helped. Yeah. I also love getting wet, swimming, swimming, surfing. Yeah, yeah, 1612 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,559 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, different part of the podcast. Yeah. 1613 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:41,880 Speaker 2: Wow, i' mean pivot, Yeah, amazing swimming surfing w A Girl, 1614 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah that's beach girl. Yeah. Do you actually miss the weather? 1615 01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I missed the beach a lot because you 1616 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,719 Speaker 1: don't really have beaches in Melbourne. It's like the bay. 1617 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like there, I used to get really pissed 1618 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 2: off of my w A friends for being like killed 1619 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 2: as like a sewer, and then I went to like 1620 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,200 Speaker 2: start spending time at w I was like, yeah, it's 1621 01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 2: like a different Yeah. 1622 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't. I had actually no idea to like. 1623 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,120 Speaker 2: Citybach, which is like ten minutes from the city. I 1624 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 2: was like, we're really like it's fine, yeah, okay, okay, okay, 1625 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,200 Speaker 2: oh my god. I feel like I could literally talk 1626 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,960 Speaker 2: to you for hours and hours an hour, I think 1627 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 2: we did, but I know you're a very busy person. 1628 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 2: So I will wrap up with the very last question, 1629 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,080 Speaker 2: which is just what's your favorite quote? If you have one? 1630 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,160 Speaker 1: Oh, the only people that judge you are those that 1631 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,559 Speaker 1: are doing less. I love that one. It's a Ryan 1632 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: John Special. Actually, oh my god. He was like, true, 1633 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,000 Speaker 1: if there are people that are being dicks to you, 1634 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: it's because they're not doing it. Because it leads into 1635 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,920 Speaker 1: the other the Brene Brown quote, and it's like, unless 1636 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,120 Speaker 1: someone's in the arena with you, yeah, don't. Yeah. 1637 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,960 Speaker 2: It's also I think it's a Roosevelt quote that the 1638 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 2: man the man in the arena one and then same Yeah. 1639 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,240 Speaker 2: It's like a long form version. It's like a whole 1640 01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 2: page paragraph quote about the only person I will something something. Yet, 1641 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,200 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm like, the man in the arena 1642 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,800 Speaker 2: is the one who's like advice I'll listen to. 1643 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, don't take someone's no if you 1644 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't take their yes as well. Is another one that 1645 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 1: I really like. I love that And I said that 1646 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,600 Speaker 1: by accident on someone's podcast, and I was say, is 1647 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: that already a quote, and I think it is. But 1648 01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,400 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like if somebody wouldn't, if you 1649 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't take their advice, don't take their criticism. 1650 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 2: Yes, both such good ones. 1651 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I gave you about six. You know, I 1652 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 1: love that. I love that. 1653 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,240 Speaker 2: It's just like a people please. 1654 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I give you seventy five. 1655 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,600 Speaker 1: It's the next flip book. That could just be a 1656 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Tony Lodge special. Oh my god, because I just gave 1657 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,920 Speaker 1: you like fifty quotes to put in there in this episode, 1658 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,560 Speaker 1: it would be cut out like, yeah, maybe their handmade 1659 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,720 Speaker 1: Tony Lodge has made all of the We only have 1660 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,960 Speaker 1: five in stock, and there's six hundred. 1661 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,760 Speaker 3: Dollars each. 1662 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,879 Speaker 2: Take a year in production. 1663 01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: But if you order now even than seven. 1664 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, my love. You've been amazing. 1665 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. 1666 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:07,960 Speaker 2: Make sure to put the links to the book and 1667 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 2: the show in the show notes. 1668 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. 1669 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,160 Speaker 2: Yay. Oh I am actually obsessed with Tony even more 1670 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,160 Speaker 2: than I was before, if that's possible. The laughter in 1671 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,519 Speaker 2: this hour was so good for my soul, and I 1672 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 2: hope it was for yours too. As always, if you 1673 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,760 Speaker 2: enjoyed listening along, pretty please share some neighborhood love for 1674 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,639 Speaker 2: the episode and for Tony herself, tagging her at Tony Lodge, 1675 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,200 Speaker 2: No Spaces, no Underscores to thank her for so generously 1676 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 2: giving her time and energy to us all. And the 1677 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,639 Speaker 2: link to buy her brilliant book is in the show notes. 1678 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,799 Speaker 2: As I mentioned, I've actually decided, just as I'm recording 1679 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,320 Speaker 2: right now, to give away a copy of each book 1680 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,400 Speaker 2: whose author we have on the show to the best 1681 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,360 Speaker 2: share each week, which I should have been doing all 1682 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,559 Speaker 2: this time, and I think I've done maybe once or twice, 1683 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,160 Speaker 2: but I feel like I should do it every single time, 1684 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,280 Speaker 2: So do get sharing away and I will announce next 1685 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 2: week in the meantime, And has returned home to the country, 1686 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,240 Speaker 2: which you probably all all already know because her presence 1687 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,360 Speaker 2: can be felt miles away and you just need to 1688 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,439 Speaker 2: check out her socials to know that she's back causing chaos. 1689 01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,240 Speaker 2: So get ready for some more absolute chits and giggles 1690 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,600 Speaker 2: again in your next episode, where we'll catch up on 1691 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,800 Speaker 2: everything we've both been up to. I hope you're having 1692 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:26,400 Speaker 2: a fabulous week and are seizing your yay