1 00:00:11,865 --> 00:00:15,425 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your face. 2 00:00:15,434 --> 00:00:17,715 Speaker 1: I'm Chass Hunt. And as always, I will be putting 3 00:00:17,725 --> 00:00:19,675 Speaker 1: a beauty expert in the hot seat. 4 00:00:20,144 --> 00:00:22,784 Speaker 1: Now, we're gonna get a bit serious today because in 5 00:00:22,795 --> 00:00:25,465 Speaker 1: the past few years, the use of E cigarettes, which 6 00:00:25,475 --> 00:00:28,505 Speaker 1: you may know as baits has skyrocketed in spite of 7 00:00:28,515 --> 00:00:32,515 Speaker 1: early evidence showing that they can be detrimentally impactful on 8 00:00:32,525 --> 00:00:35,724 Speaker 1: your health. So for the purposes of this discussion today, 9 00:00:35,734 --> 00:00:38,314 Speaker 1: I'm going to put health issues aside and approach this 10 00:00:38,324 --> 00:00:42,505 Speaker 1: from a beauty standpoint, namely the potential impact of vaping 11 00:00:42,514 --> 00:00:44,815 Speaker 1: on the look and appearance of your skin 12 00:00:45,194 --> 00:00:47,995 Speaker 1: to talk us through all things vapes. Today, I'm joined 13 00:00:48,005 --> 00:00:50,984 Speaker 1: by Dr Pray who is a GP and spokesperson for 14 00:00:50,995 --> 00:00:55,255 Speaker 1: online dermatology service software. Dr Preti, thanks for being here. 15 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:57,115 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. It's lovely to be here. 16 00:00:57,225 --> 00:01:00,315 Speaker 1: So I guess this conversation for me starts with cigarette 17 00:01:00,324 --> 00:01:03,885 Speaker 1: smoke because there's just decades of research into the way 18 00:01:03,894 --> 00:01:06,745 Speaker 1: it manifests on your face as premature aging, 19 00:01:06,815 --> 00:01:10,644 Speaker 1: everything from lines to skin discoloration. So people fully know 20 00:01:10,655 --> 00:01:13,104 Speaker 1: what they're getting into right when they start to smoke. 21 00:01:13,115 --> 00:01:15,084 Speaker 1: But is that the case yet for vaping and we're 22 00:01:15,095 --> 00:01:16,705 Speaker 1: talking purely aesthetics here 23 00:01:16,715 --> 00:01:21,364 Speaker 2: today. Yes. So obviously there was a time where smoking cigarettes, 24 00:01:21,374 --> 00:01:23,915 Speaker 2: probably people didn't realize the impact that was having on 25 00:01:23,925 --> 00:01:26,124 Speaker 2: their skin and it only came out many, many years later, 26 00:01:26,135 --> 00:01:28,885 Speaker 2: how damaging that really was. And I feel like we're 27 00:01:28,895 --> 00:01:32,065 Speaker 2: moving in the same way with vaping. So, yes, more 28 00:01:32,075 --> 00:01:34,444 Speaker 2: studies are definitely needed. But studies take time 29 00:01:34,715 --> 00:01:39,645 Speaker 2: and anecdotally, I think clinicians, cosmetic doctors, GPS, respiratory physicians 30 00:01:39,654 --> 00:01:43,325 Speaker 2: and dermatologists alike are starting to see that vaping yes, 31 00:01:43,334 --> 00:01:45,845 Speaker 2: is starting to cause those similar changes in the skin. 32 00:01:45,855 --> 00:01:50,124 Speaker 2: So things like fine lines, wrinkles, an increased prevalence of 33 00:01:50,135 --> 00:01:54,855 Speaker 2: inflammatory skin conditions such as eczema rosacea acne, potentially being 34 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 2: flared by vaping and 35 00:01:56,425 --> 00:02:01,514 Speaker 2: also things like sagging skin, yellow, sallow skin as well. 36 00:02:01,525 --> 00:02:02,385 Speaker 2: There's so 37 00:02:02,395 --> 00:02:04,645 Speaker 1: much to unpack in that I kind of even don't 38 00:02:04,654 --> 00:02:06,595 Speaker 1: know where to begin. But I guess in terms of 39 00:02:06,605 --> 00:02:10,715 Speaker 1: understanding that link between vaping and skin on an aesthetic 40 00:02:10,724 --> 00:02:14,444 Speaker 1: level in terms of research, there's nothing hard and fast yet, 41 00:02:14,455 --> 00:02:17,935 Speaker 2: right? There's some studies that have been done that essentially 42 00:02:17,944 --> 00:02:22,444 Speaker 2: show that the chemicals that are being aerosolized in vapes 43 00:02:22,454 --> 00:02:25,015 Speaker 2: have potential damaging effects in the skin. So 44 00:02:25,405 --> 00:02:28,735 Speaker 2: the problem is that vapes are all made differently. So 45 00:02:28,745 --> 00:02:31,375 Speaker 2: some may have some chemicals whilst others don't, there's no 46 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:36,355 Speaker 2: sort of standardized Vape. But chemicals like propylene, glycol formaldehyde, 47 00:02:36,405 --> 00:02:39,405 Speaker 2: certain types of metals that are being aerosolized have been 48 00:02:39,415 --> 00:02:41,665 Speaker 2: shown and implicated to have damage to the skin whether 49 00:02:41,674 --> 00:02:44,135 Speaker 2: that be through drying out the skin and then driving 50 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:45,155 Speaker 2: oil production 51 00:02:45,435 --> 00:02:50,125 Speaker 2: or directly stimulating pro inflammatory chemicals, which then cause damage 52 00:02:50,135 --> 00:02:53,944 Speaker 2: to the skin or creating something called reactive oxygen species, 53 00:02:53,954 --> 00:02:57,504 Speaker 2: which are essentially these chemicals that go around causing havoc, 54 00:02:57,515 --> 00:03:02,025 Speaker 2: whether that be degrading collagen or irritating pigment producing cells 55 00:03:02,034 --> 00:03:03,784 Speaker 2: to then cause hyper pigmentation. 56 00:03:04,194 --> 00:03:07,405 Speaker 2: So we do know that these chemicals can cause problems, 57 00:03:07,485 --> 00:03:10,194 Speaker 2: but we just need to have more conclusive studies to 58 00:03:10,204 --> 00:03:11,204 Speaker 2: show that this is 59 00:03:11,215 --> 00:03:12,594 Speaker 1: the kind of thing. I imagine you can't just look 60 00:03:12,605 --> 00:03:14,295 Speaker 1: on the back and go oh, this one has formaldehyde. 61 00:03:14,304 --> 00:03:15,965 Speaker 1: I'll just stay away from this one for my skin. 62 00:03:15,974 --> 00:03:17,144 Speaker 1: There's no, none of that. 63 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:20,674 Speaker 2: No. And I think it's best to assume that there 64 00:03:20,685 --> 00:03:23,864 Speaker 2: is assume the worst and 65 00:03:24,194 --> 00:03:28,685 Speaker 2: it's almost a little bit more misleading because they taste good, 66 00:03:28,694 --> 00:03:32,625 Speaker 2: they don't smell. But even these flavorings, some of the compounds, 67 00:03:32,635 --> 00:03:37,405 Speaker 2: for example, the cinnamon flavored Vape has Cinna aldehyde, which 68 00:03:37,415 --> 00:03:41,504 Speaker 2: can be quite an inflammatory compound in skin conditions like rosacea. 69 00:03:41,515 --> 00:03:44,834 Speaker 2: You know how we say certain foods can trigger rosacea. Similarly, 70 00:03:44,915 --> 00:03:48,444 Speaker 2: some of these compounds can trigger Rosacea, propylene glycol. We 71 00:03:48,454 --> 00:03:51,924 Speaker 2: know it seems like an innocuous ingredient, but when it's inhaled, 72 00:03:51,935 --> 00:03:53,625 Speaker 2: it can be very drying to the skin 73 00:03:53,974 --> 00:03:56,064 Speaker 2: formaldehyde. I mean, I don't know if I need to 74 00:03:56,075 --> 00:03:58,694 Speaker 2: say much about that. It's just not a medication you'd 75 00:03:58,704 --> 00:04:01,795 Speaker 2: want to be inhaling. And some of these metal compounds 76 00:04:01,804 --> 00:04:05,775 Speaker 2: like nickel can cause irritant contact dermatitis both on the 77 00:04:05,784 --> 00:04:07,944 Speaker 2: hands of the smokers and then obviously around the mouth 78 00:04:07,954 --> 00:04:08,784 Speaker 2: as well. So 79 00:04:09,334 --> 00:04:12,765 Speaker 2: assume the worst and don't be misled by the fact 80 00:04:12,775 --> 00:04:15,894 Speaker 2: that it doesn't taste bad. I think that's where people 81 00:04:15,905 --> 00:04:18,084 Speaker 2: are thinking that it's not as harmful. There's a 82 00:04:18,094 --> 00:04:23,394 Speaker 1: disconnect when you think about some of the telltale signs 83 00:04:23,405 --> 00:04:26,665 Speaker 1: you've seen so far, either you or even your peers. 84 00:04:27,214 --> 00:04:29,925 Speaker 1: What are the kinds of things you're seeing on people 85 00:04:29,934 --> 00:04:31,865 Speaker 1: who are vaping? This is all anecdotal at this stage. 86 00:04:31,874 --> 00:04:34,024 Speaker 1: As we said, there's no hard evidence on it yet. 87 00:04:34,034 --> 00:04:36,055 Speaker 1: But what are the things you're starting to see? I 88 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:39,105 Speaker 2: think in the younger demographic, the main things I have 89 00:04:39,115 --> 00:04:42,925 Speaker 2: seen anecdotally are increased incidence of acne in people that 90 00:04:42,934 --> 00:04:46,344 Speaker 2: might not necessarily have ever had problems with breakouts in 91 00:04:46,355 --> 00:04:49,665 Speaker 2: their life. Perioral dermatitis is another one. And I think 92 00:04:49,675 --> 00:04:51,635 Speaker 2: that's obviously got to do with the fact that it's 93 00:04:51,675 --> 00:04:54,524 Speaker 2: impairing the skin barrier and the immune function. 94 00:04:54,925 --> 00:04:58,034 Speaker 2: So starting to get these funny dry rashes around their mouth. 95 00:04:58,524 --> 00:05:01,934 Speaker 2: And whilst we know that the premature aging is something 96 00:05:02,094 --> 00:05:05,744 Speaker 2: that can occur because it's still early days is still 97 00:05:05,754 --> 00:05:08,605 Speaker 2: relatively new. People are being misled and thinking, oh no, 98 00:05:08,615 --> 00:05:11,154 Speaker 2: my skin looks fine, but it's the same with smoking. 99 00:05:11,165 --> 00:05:12,885 Speaker 2: You know, you only really start to see the skin 100 00:05:12,895 --> 00:05:15,835 Speaker 2: going really downhill 10 years, 20 years down the track. 101 00:05:16,085 --> 00:05:19,284 Speaker 2: And then you look really, really much older than you 102 00:05:19,295 --> 00:05:21,714 Speaker 2: should for your age. But I'd say mainly the acne, 103 00:05:21,724 --> 00:05:25,024 Speaker 2: the dryness and the incidence of dermatitis is what I'm 104 00:05:25,034 --> 00:05:27,355 Speaker 1: seeing. The acne is quite fascinating to me in the 105 00:05:27,365 --> 00:05:30,034 Speaker 1: sense that is it, people who already have acne who 106 00:05:30,045 --> 00:05:32,284 Speaker 1: are getting it even worse or people who have never 107 00:05:32,295 --> 00:05:34,145 Speaker 1: had acne before suddenly having 108 00:05:34,154 --> 00:05:36,045 Speaker 2: these massive flare up a bit of both. And I 109 00:05:36,055 --> 00:05:38,594 Speaker 2: think it's been more notable for me in the people 110 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:40,855 Speaker 2: that don't have acne. And again, I think it's owing 111 00:05:40,865 --> 00:05:41,335 Speaker 2: to 112 00:05:41,654 --> 00:05:45,244 Speaker 2: this combination of knowing that propylene Glycol is very drying. 113 00:05:45,254 --> 00:05:47,455 Speaker 2: So obviously, when the skin is dry, it's going to 114 00:05:47,464 --> 00:05:52,385 Speaker 2: drive more oil production. It's also impacting our neutrophil function 115 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:55,624 Speaker 2: and neutrophils are sort of first line defense white cells. 116 00:05:55,635 --> 00:05:59,385 Speaker 2: And so by impairing that function, it might allow for 117 00:05:59,395 --> 00:06:02,795 Speaker 2: P acnes that bacteria to proliferate as well. So this 118 00:06:02,805 --> 00:06:06,205 Speaker 2: combination of things in people who normally have normal skin, 119 00:06:06,214 --> 00:06:08,284 Speaker 2: you're introducing this insult and suddenly, 120 00:06:08,665 --> 00:06:11,094 Speaker 2: you know, people are complaining about breakouts. And it's so funny. 121 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:13,814 Speaker 2: I actually posted a tiktok video on vaping and a 122 00:06:13,825 --> 00:06:16,154 Speaker 2: lot of the comments are about, oh my God, this 123 00:06:16,165 --> 00:06:18,865 Speaker 2: is why my skin is freaking out. So I mean, 124 00:06:18,874 --> 00:06:20,504 Speaker 2: I don't respond to all of these comments, but it's 125 00:06:20,515 --> 00:06:22,694 Speaker 2: very like a lot of the comments have been, oh, 126 00:06:22,705 --> 00:06:24,665 Speaker 2: that's it. I'm going to stop because this is why 127 00:06:24,675 --> 00:06:26,735 Speaker 2: my skin's breaking out. I was going to say had 128 00:06:26,744 --> 00:06:27,895 Speaker 1: people put the dots 129 00:06:27,994 --> 00:06:30,844 Speaker 1: together because let's say you're a young person, you're getting 130 00:06:30,855 --> 00:06:33,335 Speaker 1: acne breakouts, maybe you already have acne breakouts. They seem 131 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:35,795 Speaker 1: a bit worse than normal. You were also vaping because 132 00:06:35,805 --> 00:06:39,165 Speaker 1: that's part of your lifestyle. Are people connecting this? 133 00:06:39,194 --> 00:06:41,714 Speaker 2: I don't think so. And I think probably the first 134 00:06:41,724 --> 00:06:44,385 Speaker 2: place that people go to is like their diet, which, 135 00:06:44,395 --> 00:06:47,325 Speaker 2: you know, very will link with the skin and acne. 136 00:06:47,545 --> 00:06:50,214 Speaker 2: And it's only later when you probe them about possible 137 00:06:50,224 --> 00:06:54,004 Speaker 2: other lifestyle factors like vaping that they're like, oh actually 138 00:06:54,124 --> 00:06:56,344 Speaker 2: this started when I started. 139 00:06:56,765 --> 00:06:59,735 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's not a common link that 140 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:01,774 Speaker 2: people are making for sure 141 00:07:01,835 --> 00:07:04,735 Speaker 1: when we think about cigarettes and the kind of impact 142 00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:07,024 Speaker 1: it can have on the skin and then vaping. So 143 00:07:07,034 --> 00:07:09,735 Speaker 1: say for the nicotine as the main ingredient, how are 144 00:07:09,744 --> 00:07:12,254 Speaker 1: the impact of cigarettes going to be similar to the 145 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,515 Speaker 1: impact of vaping? We 146 00:07:13,524 --> 00:07:17,235 Speaker 2: think? Yeah. So one study looked at the similarities just 147 00:07:17,244 --> 00:07:19,714 Speaker 2: in general health and found a lot of similarities. I 148 00:07:19,724 --> 00:07:22,165 Speaker 2: guess the main difference with traditional smoking is there's this 149 00:07:22,175 --> 00:07:22,555 Speaker 2: combustion 150 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,790 Speaker 2: happening and carbon monoxide being formed, which doesn't necessarily happen 151 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,129 Speaker 2: with vapes. But we do know that vapes are probably 152 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:32,469 Speaker 2: constricting our blood vessels, which means that there's less oxygen, 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,649 Speaker 2: less nutrients getting to the skin. We also know that 154 00:07:35,659 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: it's causing something called endothelial dysfunction, which skin aside has 155 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: implications for your heart health. We know that these chemicals 156 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:48,430 Speaker 2: are also impacting your lungs. So causing asthma COPD over time. 157 00:07:48,724 --> 00:07:52,814 Speaker 2: So similar effects to cigarette smoking. It's just more the 158 00:07:52,825 --> 00:07:56,335 Speaker 2: chemical constituents between a traditional cigarette and vapes are different. 159 00:07:56,555 --> 00:07:58,994 Speaker 1: And then there's that reduced oxygen level to the face, 160 00:07:59,004 --> 00:08:02,305 Speaker 1: which is similar to cigarette smoking. What is that gonna do? 161 00:08:02,314 --> 00:08:04,934 Speaker 1: Just even on that level in terms of changing the 162 00:08:04,944 --> 00:08:05,515 Speaker 1: appearance of your 163 00:08:05,524 --> 00:08:08,004 Speaker 2: face? Yeah, you might notice the skin looks a bit 164 00:08:08,015 --> 00:08:11,524 Speaker 2: more dull and lifeless, that kind of sallow appearance. And 165 00:08:11,534 --> 00:08:15,555 Speaker 2: over time you might notice that kind of leathery yellow 166 00:08:15,564 --> 00:08:18,455 Speaker 2: appearance that you can sometimes see in long term smokers. 167 00:08:18,464 --> 00:08:22,805 Speaker 2: And that's because of the disorder elastin layout in the skin. 168 00:08:22,814 --> 00:08:23,305 Speaker 2: So 169 00:08:23,784 --> 00:08:26,094 Speaker 2: initially, you might just notice the skin looks a little 170 00:08:26,105 --> 00:08:28,684 Speaker 2: bit lacking in life and that's because of the lack 171 00:08:28,694 --> 00:08:30,985 Speaker 2: of blood flow that you're getting that nice glow that 172 00:08:30,994 --> 00:08:33,714 Speaker 2: you would normally get with good healthy blood flow to 173 00:08:33,724 --> 00:08:34,295 Speaker 2: the skin. 174 00:08:40,624 --> 00:08:43,375 Speaker 1: How frequently would you be vaping before you started to 175 00:08:43,384 --> 00:08:45,425 Speaker 1: see results on the skin? So say you're the kind 176 00:08:45,435 --> 00:08:46,964 Speaker 1: of person who's like, oh, I tried it once and 177 00:08:46,974 --> 00:08:49,014 Speaker 1: I hated it. Does that person need to be worried? 178 00:08:49,024 --> 00:08:50,334 Speaker 1: What if you're the kind of person that's like, oh, 179 00:08:50,344 --> 00:08:52,235 Speaker 1: I go out once a week with this group of 180 00:08:52,245 --> 00:08:54,855 Speaker 1: friends and then maybe we'll Vape them or maybe you're 181 00:08:54,865 --> 00:08:55,605 Speaker 1: every day. 182 00:08:55,615 --> 00:08:58,355 Speaker 2: I think this is the issue that there's no quantifiable 183 00:08:58,365 --> 00:09:01,685 Speaker 2: safe amount and each person is different. You know, you 184 00:09:01,695 --> 00:09:03,605 Speaker 2: can see people that smoke their whole life and never 185 00:09:03,615 --> 00:09:06,495 Speaker 2: get cancer and meanwhile, you'll see people who socially smoke 186 00:09:06,505 --> 00:09:08,915 Speaker 2: in their twenties and then end up with really bad cancer. 187 00:09:08,925 --> 00:09:09,774 Speaker 2: It's the same thing. 188 00:09:10,115 --> 00:09:12,264 Speaker 2: I think the safest thing is not to do it. 189 00:09:12,495 --> 00:09:16,005 Speaker 2: We know that one Vape might have as much nicotine 190 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:19,005 Speaker 2: as say, 50 cigarettes. So, in that sense, I would 191 00:09:19,014 --> 00:09:21,404 Speaker 2: argue that we might see over time that's potentially more 192 00:09:21,415 --> 00:09:24,824 Speaker 2: damaging because people are doing it more consistently compared to 193 00:09:24,834 --> 00:09:27,365 Speaker 2: someone going out on a weekend, having a drink and 194 00:09:27,375 --> 00:09:29,384 Speaker 2: socially smoking one cigarette, 195 00:09:29,654 --> 00:09:31,795 Speaker 2: you're less likely to go through a whole packet. I mean, 196 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:35,175 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that than continuing to Vape just because it's 197 00:09:35,185 --> 00:09:38,384 Speaker 2: so much easier to inhale. The best is to not 198 00:09:38,394 --> 00:09:39,505 Speaker 2: do it. I would say, 199 00:09:39,514 --> 00:09:42,425 Speaker 1: yeah, beyond the skin, do you think vaping may impact 200 00:09:42,435 --> 00:09:46,524 Speaker 1: on other physical appearance, factors? Say your hair, your nails, 201 00:09:46,534 --> 00:09:47,795 Speaker 1: anything else? 202 00:09:47,805 --> 00:09:51,704 Speaker 2: Yes. So some studies are suggesting that again because of 203 00:09:51,714 --> 00:09:55,464 Speaker 2: this mechanism of vasoconstriction or constriction of the blood vessels that, 204 00:09:55,704 --> 00:09:58,745 Speaker 2: that can negatively impact follicle health. So 205 00:09:59,134 --> 00:10:00,855 Speaker 2: we know that blood flow is one of the most 206 00:10:00,865 --> 00:10:03,884 Speaker 2: important things in hair health. So can contribute to hair loss, 207 00:10:03,894 --> 00:10:08,204 Speaker 2: potentially disrupt your hormones. So, increase androgen production, which are 208 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:11,384 Speaker 2: male hormones which can then cause more hair loss. I 209 00:10:11,394 --> 00:10:13,784 Speaker 2: know that dentists are seeing an increased incidence in things 210 00:10:13,795 --> 00:10:17,175 Speaker 2: like gingivitis and yellowing teeth probably from the nicotine in 211 00:10:17,185 --> 00:10:20,264 Speaker 2: some of these vapes, nails, I'm not so sure, but 212 00:10:20,274 --> 00:10:23,464 Speaker 2: definitely for hair and mouth and oral health. 213 00:10:23,644 --> 00:10:27,464 Speaker 2: We're seeing an incidence of increased hair loss and dental 214 00:10:27,474 --> 00:10:29,524 Speaker 2: problems for sure if you 215 00:10:29,534 --> 00:10:32,685 Speaker 1: stopped vaping after hearing this conversation and being scared straight. 216 00:10:32,714 --> 00:10:36,255 Speaker 1: Fair enough. Would you start to see a change in 217 00:10:36,264 --> 00:10:37,574 Speaker 1: your skin straight away? 218 00:10:37,584 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 2: I think it's unlikely that damage that has been done 219 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:44,295 Speaker 2: will be reversed. But you can do things that will 220 00:10:44,305 --> 00:10:49,235 Speaker 2: then stimulate collagen even out your skin tone to help, 221 00:10:49,245 --> 00:10:51,415 Speaker 2: you know, with some of the degradation or damage that 222 00:10:51,425 --> 00:10:52,514 Speaker 2: has occurred. So 223 00:10:52,714 --> 00:10:56,134 Speaker 2: using a vitamin A vitamin C potentially exploring in clinic 224 00:10:56,144 --> 00:10:58,685 Speaker 2: treatments if that's in your budget. So things like lasers 225 00:10:58,695 --> 00:11:02,985 Speaker 2: can really kick start and remodel for collagen chemical peels 226 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:05,714 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So it's more about then employing 227 00:11:05,724 --> 00:11:08,565 Speaker 2: a nice consistent skincare routine to care for the skin 228 00:11:08,574 --> 00:11:11,574 Speaker 2: and potentially replace some of that collagen or even out 229 00:11:11,584 --> 00:11:14,464 Speaker 2: that skin tone that's been damaged from vaping. 230 00:11:14,815 --> 00:11:17,584 Speaker 2: But I think damage that's been done is unlikely to 231 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:21,615 Speaker 2: reverse as such like you would in smoking. Yeah, if 232 00:11:21,625 --> 00:11:24,224 Speaker 1: you have stopped and you're looking to counteract some of 233 00:11:24,235 --> 00:11:26,855 Speaker 1: that damage, what are the kinds of skincare products you'd 234 00:11:26,865 --> 00:11:27,884 Speaker 1: recommend using? 235 00:11:27,894 --> 00:11:30,745 Speaker 2: Yeah. All the things your listeners are probably familiar with. 236 00:11:30,755 --> 00:11:34,034 Speaker 2: So definitely first and foremost, sunscreen because we know that 237 00:11:34,045 --> 00:11:38,024 Speaker 2: that's the predominant aggravator for skin issues. So, wearing that 238 00:11:38,034 --> 00:11:39,324 Speaker 2: diligently every day, 239 00:11:39,594 --> 00:11:42,185 Speaker 2: considering a vitamin A. So we know that vitamin A 240 00:11:42,195 --> 00:11:47,005 Speaker 2: retinol retinoids are amazing at stimulating collagen and evening out 241 00:11:47,014 --> 00:11:50,844 Speaker 2: your skin tone A vitamin C will also then assist 242 00:11:50,855 --> 00:11:54,065 Speaker 2: your sunscreen in terms of that antioxidant protection and also 243 00:11:54,074 --> 00:11:58,235 Speaker 2: collagen stimulation. And then if you can, things like laser 244 00:11:58,245 --> 00:12:01,394 Speaker 2: facials have minimal downtime are very good at evening out 245 00:12:01,404 --> 00:12:04,445 Speaker 2: skin tone stimulating collagen over time. The main thing with 246 00:12:04,454 --> 00:12:06,384 Speaker 2: all of this is the consistency 247 00:12:06,695 --> 00:12:09,315 Speaker 2: and being patient with results because you know, a lot 248 00:12:09,324 --> 00:12:11,134 Speaker 2: of these things take 6 to 12 months to really 249 00:12:11,144 --> 00:12:14,175 Speaker 2: see those benefits and bearing in mind. You are losing 250 00:12:14,185 --> 00:12:16,415 Speaker 2: collagen at the rate of 1 to 2% per year. 251 00:12:16,425 --> 00:12:20,094 Speaker 2: So you're replacing collagen whilst losing collagen. So just being 252 00:12:20,105 --> 00:12:22,474 Speaker 2: realistic with those results. But if you are consistent with 253 00:12:22,485 --> 00:12:24,974 Speaker 2: a very simple skin care routine with I I think 254 00:12:24,985 --> 00:12:28,344 Speaker 2: those couple of things you will be pretty sweet. Yeah, 255 00:12:28,985 --> 00:12:31,445 Speaker 1: Doctor Brianti, thank you for joining us again on New 256 00:12:31,454 --> 00:12:34,815 Speaker 1: Beauty and thank you for tuning in today. I'm Sharon Hunt. 257 00:12:34,824 --> 00:12:38,014 Speaker 1: Our show's executive producer is Talisa Pizzaz Tune back into 258 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:41,755 Speaker 1: U Beauty tomorrow for our weekly beauty news episodes. Bye.