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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Mom and Me are Out Loud. It's what women are

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Speaker 1: actually talking about. On Wednesday, the eighteenth of February, I

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Speaker 1: am Holly Wayne right and you out louders are officially

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Speaker 1: listening to the most popular, most listened to podcast in

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Speaker 1: all of Australia. Yes, we are number one.

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Speaker 2: Amelia Lester, how does it feel you came onto this podcast?

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Speaker 2: And one thing we know when number one?

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say that as a result of

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Speaker 3: me joining the podcast, but if she feels like a

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Speaker 3: result of me joining the podcast, it feels your lady

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Speaker 3: for ten years and that's great for you. But I

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Speaker 3: came at exactly the right time.

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Speaker 2: You did, because I've been working on this podcast ten

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Speaker 2: years and never been number one before. Amelia Waltz is in.

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Speaker 3: Here and am We've got to give it her.

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Speaker 2: And she's just like boom, let's get this to number one.

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Speaker 2: So we are so excited. Look, we don't care about

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Speaker 2: glory of course here, but I saw we've talked about

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Speaker 2: for twenty four hours. We don't care about the rancor

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Speaker 2: unless we are winning. Yes, and so I mean thanks

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Speaker 2: to the out Louders for just all thank you support.

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Speaker 1: Just for a bit of context. What we're talking about

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Speaker 1: is every month, like a podcast chart gets released, right

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Speaker 1: and it's called the Ranker, and Hamish and Andy are

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Speaker 1: nearly always at number one, and we are nearly always

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Speaker 1: in the top three, which is nothing to sneeze at.

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Speaker 1: We are very solidly, no sneezing at the top three,

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Speaker 1: ticking along one of the three most popular podcasts in Australia.

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Speaker 1: And look, maybe Hamish and Andy had a little quiet January, maybe.

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Speaker 2: They had a little holiday. That's absolutely fine.

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Speaker 1: But also even with Hamish Andy's little holiday, we've had

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Speaker 1: our biggest month ever. Massive thank you to all the

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Speaker 1: out Louders and all the friends that you've recruited, all

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Speaker 1: the people you went and told come and be an

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Speaker 1: out louder because now you are part of the biggest

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Speaker 1: podcast movement country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very exciting. I'm Jesse Stevens, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, and I'm Amelia Leicster.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Amelia Lester, the secret source.

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Speaker 1: Back to business, back to the agenda. On today's show, we.

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Speaker 2: Think we'd get an episode off. I think I was like,

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Speaker 2: guys were number one. Everyone was saying congratulations and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm trying to prep for this stupid podcast.

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Speaker 2: We've got to record in five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Here we are on five pm.

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Speaker 3: Normal.

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Speaker 1: We won't let you down out loud as. We're not

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Speaker 1: too big for that.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not anyway.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, the famed Australian pob test is dead.

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Speaker 1: But what's replaced it?

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Speaker 2: And married at first sight? Of course I have some

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Speaker 2: k pieces of gossip, but also a few major philosophical

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Speaker 2: questions that I wanted to bring to the table that

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Speaker 2: this show inevitably gives rise to.

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Speaker 3: Plus. Is Turning forty four really as bad as everyone

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Speaker 3: says it is, because they say it's very bad.

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Speaker 2: But first, in case you missed it, former President Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama has broken.

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Speaker 1: His silence on aliens, thank god.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, they're real. Here's what he said on Brian

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Speaker 2: Tyler Cohen's podcast over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Are aliens real?

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Speaker 4: Uh, they're real? But I haven't seen them and they're

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Speaker 4: not being kept in what is it? Fifty one? There's

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Speaker 4: no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they

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Speaker 4: hit it from the President of the United.

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Speaker 2: States, What was the first question you wanted answered when

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Speaker 2: you became president.

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Speaker 4: Were the aliens?

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Speaker 3: Were the aliens? Obviously, Jesse, You're getting carried away. Am

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Speaker 3: I Obama did something he never does after this, Like

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Speaker 3: less than twenty four hours after this podcast came out,

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Speaker 3: he went on Instagram to clarify his physician.

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Speaker 2: His comment must have gone to me.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do like you know those videos that influencers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of actually goes on Instagram to

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Speaker 3: Everyone was like, oh, okay, it's done. Aliens are real,

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Speaker 3: let me clarify. Statistically, the universe is so vast that

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Speaker 1: Bless Himy still thinks that facts matter.

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Speaker 3: He says, I saw no evidence during my presidency that

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Speaker 3: extraterrestrials have made contact with us.

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Speaker 2: Really bullshit in trouble, he probably signed in a DA yeah.

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Speaker 2: When he became president, they say you're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: talk about aliens because they are real, and he just

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Speaker 2: let it, let me sell it. He let its slip

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Speaker 2: that aliens are absolutely real. That was spoken like a

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Speaker 1: If you were suddenly president of the United States, god forbid,

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Speaker 1: But while you'd be doing about a job, a chap,

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Speaker 1: isn't that out? But wouldn't that be your first question too? Hown,

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Speaker 2: No, that would not be my first What would be

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Speaker 2: your first question? The president? You get access to all

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Speaker 2: the files ever filed? What do you want to know?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think that the alien question is

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Speaker 2: Like my theory about the alien thing is that it's

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Speaker 2: something only men talk about because women have enough mental load.

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Speaker 2: Like the fact that every three months my husband looks

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Speaker 2: at me and says, you know, there's you know, extraterrestrial

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Speaker 2: I'm more focused on the life here and the jobs

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Speaker 1: That's why Ruth says our ap She says, only men

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Speaker 2: Women from empire are their lives.

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Speaker 3: And there's also something so endearingly American about the way

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Speaker 2: I drove past Area fifty one or within the vicinity

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Speaker 2: just check, but like to be clear, didn't see any

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Speaker 2: flying sources. No, it's not where you go first, I

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Speaker 2: don't think. I mean, it's Amelia araliens real.

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Speaker 3: I kind of think the same way Obama does. I

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Speaker 3: think it's it's like that quote, either we are alone

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Speaker 3: is mind boggling. Yeah, probably there's no way that we

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Speaker 2: I reckon that. The President absolutely nos.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's right. There are eighty seven percent of astrobiologists

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Speaker 1: say that there is life out there. But then do

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Speaker 1: you mean like a land? They mean like a microbe

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think Obama speaking the truth. But

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that he said silly on a

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Speaker 1: about facts and truth correcting the record, he came out

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Speaker 1: and corrected, which is something nobody does anymore.

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Speaker 2: I was like, high, real, that's the headline.

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Speaker 3: I also saw someone point out that, look, if the

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Speaker 3: president of the United States has access to the secret

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Speaker 3: alien files, you really think that the man who's in

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Speaker 2: He'd start shit with the aliens and I don't think

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Speaker 2: Every time he walks into a room, They're like, stop

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Speaker 1: And he'd be taking all his friends down to Area

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Speaker 1: aliens and poke around and take selfies with them, like

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Speaker 1: he totally would. The famous Australian pub test is dead.

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Speaker 1: Do you two know what I mean when I talk

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Speaker 1: about the pop test.

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Speaker 3: Like, do you want to have a beer with this politician?

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Speaker 3: If so, vote for them.

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Speaker 1: No, well, yes, that's the beer test.

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Speaker 3: That's very different.

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Speaker 1: The contest, Bob test is, does this policy thing that's

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Speaker 1: The pub test means can it be easily explained in

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Speaker 1: way that they go, yeah, it seems fair.

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Speaker 2: So when Scott Morrison went to Hawaii during the bush

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Speaker 2: fires and didn't tell anyone he was gone, didn't pass

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Speaker 1: Famously, did not pass the pub test. When Barnaby Joyce

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Speaker 3: Negative gearing changes never passed the contest.

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Speaker 1: Some complicated policies, so Kevin Rudd's mining tax is seen

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Speaker 1: People are always saying, You're always seeing politicians stand up

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Speaker 1: the idea that the way we all do all of

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Speaker 1: which is fun but not always true. The British version

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Speaker 1: of the POB tests used to be called the Clapham

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Speaker 1: that was seen as one of the most popular bus

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Speaker 1: quickly and in America they say will it play? And

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Speaker 1: you'll have to tell me how I'm pronouncing this, Amelia.

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Speaker 1: Will it play in Peoria? Peoria?

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Speaker 1: Will it play in Peoria? Which is like somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, which is like the idea is will your

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Speaker 1: average person care about this? One of the things that's

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Speaker 1: and it's been replaced instead by algorithms is what that

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Speaker 1: and b to the kind of decisions politicians make. Charlotte Morlocke,

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Speaker 1: she's also a prominent liberal woman. While she was until

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Speaker 2: And officially she officially left the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 1: She officially left the Liberal Party and she also resigned

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Speaker 1: from her network called Hilma's Network, which was all about

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Speaker 1: getting more women in politics. But she was on four

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Speaker 1: Corners on the ABC on Monday night and she said

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest things that I think is a

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Speaker 5: We've always had the pub test, but people are replacing

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Speaker 2: Speaking of critical ignoring, Yes, married at first, there's probably

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Speaker 1: There's an aspiration too, to math. Do you know how

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Speaker 2: to leave. But if one partner says stay and one

439
00:21:38,074 --> 00:21:40,434
Speaker 2: partner says leave, then they both have to stay because

440
00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:41,674
Speaker 2: you consent.

441
00:21:42,354 --> 00:21:43,834
Speaker 1: And so they're not really married.

442
00:21:44,274 --> 00:21:48,554
Speaker 2: Yes technically they're not, but they do have their weekly

443
00:21:48,594 --> 00:21:49,554
Speaker 2: commitment ceremonies.

444
00:21:49,834 --> 00:21:53,074
Speaker 3: Holly, my notes, who are among us?

445
00:21:54,594 --> 00:21:57,513
Speaker 1: I like to refresh my non vows every weekend?

446
00:21:57,954 --> 00:21:59,154
Speaker 2: Holly, you dabble, don't you?

447
00:21:59,594 --> 00:22:03,273
Speaker 1: I dabble. So I used to be furiously anti this

448
00:22:03,354 --> 00:22:06,074
Speaker 1: show because one of the things I don't like and

449
00:22:06,114 --> 00:22:07,994
Speaker 1: I still don't like about this show, and I've never

450
00:22:08,034 --> 00:22:10,714
Speaker 1: really encouraged it in my house because teenagers love. This

451
00:22:10,754 --> 00:22:14,834
Speaker 1: show took so much drama is it just plays into

452
00:22:14,874 --> 00:22:17,674
Speaker 1: so many conventional tropes about how women all hate each

453
00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:22,073
Speaker 1: other and everybody's fighting over the hot guy, and everybody's cheating,

454
00:22:22,314 --> 00:22:24,714
Speaker 1: lots of cheating, lots of awfulness, lots of like.

455
00:22:25,234 --> 00:22:27,354
Speaker 2: Yeah, hotter than her, Yeah, lots of that.

456
00:22:27,674 --> 00:22:30,714
Speaker 1: And I hate that. But I've become maybe it's just age,

457
00:22:30,714 --> 00:22:33,474
Speaker 1: maybe it smell it. I don't care anymore. I'm like, sure,

458
00:22:33,794 --> 00:22:36,234
Speaker 1: it's terrible for society, but there's a lot of stuff

459
00:22:36,274 --> 00:22:39,354
Speaker 1: out there that's a lot worse. And also, I know

460
00:22:39,514 --> 00:22:42,754
Speaker 1: a lot of writers who love watching these shows, these

461
00:22:42,874 --> 00:22:46,954
Speaker 1: kind of semi scripted reality shows, because they do tell

462
00:22:46,994 --> 00:22:49,594
Speaker 1: you a lot about human nature. So I usually watch

463
00:22:49,714 --> 00:22:51,914
Speaker 1: Maths when I'm staying with my friend Penny. Shout out

464
00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:55,154
Speaker 1: to my friend Penny, she loves Maths. I've had to

465
00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:56,994
Speaker 1: she might mind me saying this or not. I don't know.

466
00:22:57,034 --> 00:23:01,354
Speaker 1: I've had to talk her out of applying more than anyway.

467
00:23:03,794 --> 00:23:05,273
Speaker 1: So we sit on the couch and watch it when

468
00:23:05,274 --> 00:23:08,474
Speaker 1: I'm at her house. And what I love is I

469
00:23:08,514 --> 00:23:12,674
Speaker 1: love watching particularly the men communicate without words a lot

470
00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:14,994
Speaker 1: of the time, because they're always arguing about silly things

471
00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:16,594
Speaker 1: like on all reality shows. And then theyre saying I

472
00:23:16,594 --> 00:23:18,354
Speaker 1: never said that. You're saying I said that. I didn't

473
00:23:18,394 --> 00:23:23,034
Speaker 1: say that's petty. Oh, but you can tell the men

474
00:23:23,474 --> 00:23:26,154
Speaker 1: who don't like women no matter what they say. You

475
00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:28,513
Speaker 1: can just pick up a lot from their vibes. And

476
00:23:28,554 --> 00:23:30,794
Speaker 1: I quite enjoy all that because it is a little

477
00:23:30,794 --> 00:23:33,634
Speaker 1: window into human nature. But anyway, Jesse, what's it teaching

478
00:23:33,714 --> 00:23:36,194
Speaker 1: us this season? Make sure lots of that out louders

479
00:23:36,674 --> 00:23:39,154
Speaker 1: love maths, or watch maths, or hate maths, But what

480
00:23:39,234 --> 00:23:40,274
Speaker 1: are the life lessons?

481
00:23:40,314 --> 00:23:42,313
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got We're going to start with some

482
00:23:42,394 --> 00:23:45,553
Speaker 2: gossip and then I've got some life slash philosophical questions.

483
00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,914
Speaker 2: We're going to get to right now. The gossip Chris

484
00:23:48,914 --> 00:23:51,553
Speaker 2: and Brook. They are a big couple this year. They

485
00:23:51,674 --> 00:23:54,033
Speaker 2: hit it off despite his cynicism. He was like, the

486
00:23:54,074 --> 00:23:54,954
Speaker 2: experts don't know what they do.

487
00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,474
Speaker 1: Look like a princess. She looks like Charlotte and Sex

488
00:23:57,474 --> 00:23:57,914
Speaker 1: and the City.

489
00:23:58,114 --> 00:24:01,354
Speaker 2: She is a model. They hit it off, Everything was great,

490
00:24:01,394 --> 00:24:04,514
Speaker 2: and then Brooke was shown his audition tape and Chris

491
00:24:04,554 --> 00:24:08,154
Speaker 2: said in the audition tape, I don't like girls with

492
00:24:08,154 --> 00:24:09,874
Speaker 2: fake tan. I don't like girls who are needy, and

493
00:24:09,914 --> 00:24:11,513
Speaker 2: I really don't like fat girls.

494
00:24:11,594 --> 00:24:15,434
Speaker 3: I love those three things as important selection credits here. Yeah,

495
00:24:15,474 --> 00:24:18,634
Speaker 3: like one is a cosmetic that you can apply and

496
00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:23,114
Speaker 3: then wash off. One is a metabolic condition.

497
00:24:23,474 --> 00:24:24,914
Speaker 2: And what was that neediness?

498
00:24:24,954 --> 00:24:25,434
Speaker 3: Neediness?

499
00:24:25,554 --> 00:24:27,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's just annoying.

500
00:24:27,554 --> 00:24:28,394
Speaker 3: It's just annoying.

501
00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:30,994
Speaker 2: And so she saw that. She then told all the

502
00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:33,234
Speaker 2: other women and you can just see the faces drop

503
00:24:33,274 --> 00:24:36,674
Speaker 2: of women who were curvier than others and speaking of

504
00:24:36,994 --> 00:24:39,714
Speaker 2: men who might hold women in contempt him.

505
00:24:40,194 --> 00:24:42,154
Speaker 3: Then we've got how old is this man?

506
00:24:42,274 --> 00:24:46,033
Speaker 2: Ah, he's early thirties, okay, and he's like, well, I

507
00:24:46,154 --> 00:24:48,074
Speaker 2: just spend a lot of time.

508
00:24:47,834 --> 00:24:48,553
Speaker 3: With no better.

509
00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:52,634
Speaker 1: So you talk about the code on maths for I

510
00:24:52,754 --> 00:24:54,714
Speaker 1: like skinny chicks, which you're not allowed to say. Is

511
00:24:55,154 --> 00:24:56,754
Speaker 1: I just like someone who looks after them?

512
00:24:56,834 --> 00:24:57,954
Speaker 3: But not with fake han.

513
00:24:58,154 --> 00:25:00,073
Speaker 1: Not with fake not with fake tan.

514
00:25:00,594 --> 00:25:03,553
Speaker 2: Then we've got Mel and Luke. Luke didn't look like

515
00:25:03,874 --> 00:25:06,114
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper. He's really handsome, but he doesn't look like

516
00:25:06,154 --> 00:25:08,394
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper. He's got a different coloring.

517
00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:09,954
Speaker 1: He has a nice poppy doggie vine.

518
00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:10,754
Speaker 2: I quite like him.

519
00:25:10,874 --> 00:25:12,314
Speaker 3: But why are we talking about Bradley Cooper?

520
00:25:12,434 --> 00:25:15,194
Speaker 2: Because Mel asked for Bradley Cooper look alike.

521
00:25:14,954 --> 00:25:20,154
Speaker 1: And requires if you went on Familia, which your next career,

522
00:25:20,714 --> 00:25:23,794
Speaker 1: on the number one show in the country, you can

523
00:25:23,954 --> 00:25:27,834
Speaker 1: say I like tall, I like smart, I like men

524
00:25:27,834 --> 00:25:30,194
Speaker 1: who don't want socks, okay.

525
00:25:29,954 --> 00:25:32,234
Speaker 2: And then you're allowed to stomp your feet when you

526
00:25:32,274 --> 00:25:34,154
Speaker 2: get to the end of the aisle and go what's

527
00:25:34,194 --> 00:25:34,554
Speaker 2: this one?

528
00:25:34,594 --> 00:25:36,394
Speaker 1: This is sure and he's wearing socks.

529
00:25:36,674 --> 00:25:37,274
Speaker 2: Send him back.

530
00:25:37,314 --> 00:25:39,354
Speaker 3: And so he didn't look like Bradley Cooper. That's such

531
00:25:39,394 --> 00:25:42,114
Speaker 3: a shock because Bradley Cooper, you know, there's there diamond.

532
00:25:42,114 --> 00:25:46,434
Speaker 3: Doesn't Bradley Cooper look alike exactly, famously Hollywood Hansen exactly.

533
00:25:47,434 --> 00:25:49,634
Speaker 2: And so she walked down. She's really pissed off. She's

534
00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:52,954
Speaker 2: not looked at him since. She's very, very grumpy. And

535
00:25:52,994 --> 00:25:55,874
Speaker 2: then we've got Ga. She keeps talking about how she's

536
00:25:55,874 --> 00:25:56,474
Speaker 2: the hottest one.

537
00:25:56,914 --> 00:26:00,553
Speaker 3: Just get back to is he in the vein of

538
00:26:00,594 --> 00:26:04,033
Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper? It's just like squm.

539
00:26:04,994 --> 00:26:06,914
Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but when was the last

540
00:26:06,914 --> 00:26:09,114
Speaker 2: time he saw an Australian man who looks like Bradley Coo.

541
00:26:09,194 --> 00:26:10,874
Speaker 3: Look, it's hard to be in the vein of Bradley

542
00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:12,793
Speaker 3: cu Yeah that's true. Yeah, Okay.

543
00:26:12,994 --> 00:26:14,874
Speaker 2: She also wanted like the notebook, So she would have

544
00:26:14,874 --> 00:26:16,033
Speaker 2: done with a Ryan Gosling, but she.

545
00:26:16,994 --> 00:26:19,074
Speaker 3: Would have settled for Ryan God yeah.

546
00:26:19,354 --> 00:26:24,194
Speaker 2: And instead she got a farmer. Gia keeps saying, it's

547
00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:25,714
Speaker 2: so sad for the other women. They're not as hot

548
00:26:25,754 --> 00:26:25,954
Speaker 2: as me.

549
00:26:27,554 --> 00:26:29,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always saying that of this.

550
00:26:29,994 --> 00:26:32,754
Speaker 2: And however much they're paying Gia, it's not enough. Like

551
00:26:32,834 --> 00:26:34,594
Speaker 2: I just know Ga is the one saying tell me

552
00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:35,674
Speaker 2: what to say. I want to be the main Caro.

553
00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:36,513
Speaker 3: So who she is.

554
00:26:37,034 --> 00:26:39,874
Speaker 2: She's with a guy named Scott who did say he

555
00:26:39,914 --> 00:26:42,554
Speaker 2: didn't want a woman with children. She's got an eight

556
00:26:42,594 --> 00:26:42,914
Speaker 2: year old.

557
00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:46,914
Speaker 1: I know I should laugh about this because it's awful,

558
00:26:46,914 --> 00:26:48,553
Speaker 1: but this is what this show has done to me.

559
00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:50,514
Speaker 1: He wouldn't learn her daughter's name.

560
00:26:51,954 --> 00:26:54,073
Speaker 2: He's like, I do care about your daughter? And then

561
00:26:54,074 --> 00:26:57,674
Speaker 2: it produces like what's the daughter's name? And he's like, shit, okay.

562
00:26:57,474 --> 00:26:58,114
Speaker 3: I'm all in.

563
00:26:59,874 --> 00:27:02,954
Speaker 1: Do you know the kid's name? He's like the kids with.

564
00:27:04,034 --> 00:27:05,794
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for her to bring it up again.

565
00:27:05,914 --> 00:27:07,834
Speaker 3: Does he know if it's boy or a girl?

566
00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:12,034
Speaker 2: Nobly doesn't care? Is the per Now I have two

567
00:27:12,034 --> 00:27:14,274
Speaker 2: philosophical questions, so this is the first one. I want

568
00:27:14,274 --> 00:27:15,314
Speaker 2: to ask you both.

569
00:27:15,314 --> 00:27:19,274
Speaker 3: I was into those synopsies. It's got nice other than

570
00:27:19,394 --> 00:27:21,314
Speaker 3: maybe he's just really bad with names.

571
00:27:21,354 --> 00:27:25,073
Speaker 2: Like he said he doesn't want a woman with children

572
00:27:25,114 --> 00:27:26,634
Speaker 2: because he doesn't want to have to pay for school.

573
00:27:26,634 --> 00:27:29,314
Speaker 2: Fis like you could send them to a public public

574
00:27:29,354 --> 00:27:30,074
Speaker 2: schools exists.

575
00:27:30,474 --> 00:27:32,114
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a workaround.

576
00:27:32,954 --> 00:27:35,234
Speaker 2: And he keeps saying to her, like, when we move

577
00:27:35,234 --> 00:27:37,794
Speaker 2: into our mansion, we'll move into a really lovely house

578
00:27:37,834 --> 00:27:39,874
Speaker 2: together and you can have your own makeup room, and

579
00:27:39,874 --> 00:27:41,754
Speaker 2: she's like, my daughter will also need a room, and

580
00:27:41,794 --> 00:27:43,834
Speaker 2: he's like, and.

581
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,554
Speaker 1: They call themselves the power couple.

582
00:27:46,954 --> 00:27:49,194
Speaker 2: They're having a lot of sex and it's getting better

583
00:27:49,194 --> 00:27:50,273
Speaker 2: and better every day.

584
00:27:50,434 --> 00:27:53,034
Speaker 3: And do we know that because they is self reported

585
00:27:53,474 --> 00:27:56,034
Speaker 3: self reported sex and they saw them going into a bedroom.

586
00:27:56,274 --> 00:27:57,394
Speaker 1: Yeah, they looked like they were.

587
00:27:59,274 --> 00:28:03,434
Speaker 2: It was really fun. But sometimes Amelia, yes, you have

588
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:05,634
Speaker 2: sex on the honeymoon and one of you thinks you

589
00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:08,554
Speaker 2: have sexual chemistry and the other one says, no, we don't.

590
00:28:09,274 --> 00:28:11,553
Speaker 2: And this is my question for you. So this has

591
00:28:11,594 --> 00:28:12,554
Speaker 2: happened to Beck and Danny.

592
00:28:12,554 --> 00:28:15,714
Speaker 3: You're going to talk about uti that's what happens on honeymoon.

593
00:28:15,474 --> 00:28:17,714
Speaker 2: Exactly right, Well, maybe not if you only have.

594
00:28:17,674 --> 00:28:19,634
Speaker 3: Sex Yeah, that's true, which is the upside.

595
00:28:19,794 --> 00:28:22,794
Speaker 2: So Beck and Downy have sex, Danny's like, who's Beck again?

596
00:28:22,874 --> 00:28:26,754
Speaker 2: Beck is another one who she has got. Yeah, she's

597
00:28:26,794 --> 00:28:30,354
Speaker 2: into him, He's maybe not as into her. My question is,

598
00:28:31,714 --> 00:28:34,394
Speaker 2: are you allowed to say to someone in the early

599
00:28:34,434 --> 00:28:37,154
Speaker 2: stages of dating slash, if you're trying to be honest,

600
00:28:38,034 --> 00:28:40,514
Speaker 2: I don't feel any sexual chemistry with you? Or is

601
00:28:40,554 --> 00:28:42,194
Speaker 2: that always a mean thing to say?

602
00:28:42,194 --> 00:28:44,674
Speaker 1: Do you mean specifically if you've just fake married them?

603
00:28:44,794 --> 00:28:50,034
Speaker 2: Or I feel like this is an exceptional situationally interesting question.

604
00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:54,994
Speaker 3: Here's my repust to that, does anyone need to know

605
00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:57,474
Speaker 3: that you don't think you have sexual chemistry? You can

606
00:28:57,674 --> 00:28:59,874
Speaker 3: just sort of say to someone, Look, I'm not feeling it.

607
00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,114
Speaker 3: You don't need to go into the details. I just

608
00:29:02,114 --> 00:29:04,514
Speaker 3: don't think anyone needs to know that you feel a

609
00:29:04,554 --> 00:29:06,994
Speaker 3: lack of chemistry the term sexual chemistry.

610
00:29:07,154 --> 00:29:10,754
Speaker 2: I can't imagine being told someone has none with you

611
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:13,594
Speaker 2: and that not feeling like they're saying I think you're ugly,

612
00:29:13,914 --> 00:29:14,794
Speaker 2: Like is that what you hear?

613
00:29:14,914 --> 00:29:17,314
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you're right, ye, even.

614
00:29:17,154 --> 00:29:19,634
Speaker 2: Though it's not I've known this. I've met people I

615
00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:23,834
Speaker 2: think are really attractive, but I wouldn't necessarily want to

616
00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:25,474
Speaker 2: have sex with them, Like, I know that that's not

617
00:29:25,674 --> 00:29:27,714
Speaker 2: always the case, but how is it not offensive?

618
00:29:27,754 --> 00:29:30,514
Speaker 1: Well, this is why it's tricky. It's not quantifiable. You

619
00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:32,554
Speaker 1: either do or you don't, and somebody can be really

620
00:29:32,554 --> 00:29:34,754
Speaker 1: attractive and not. But the problem with this show that

621
00:29:34,834 --> 00:29:38,194
Speaker 1: excuse everything is obviously if they admit I don't, we

622
00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:39,914
Speaker 1: don't have sexual chemistry, we're not going to be together.

623
00:29:39,954 --> 00:29:42,514
Speaker 1: One of you has to go home, yeah, but both

624
00:29:42,554 --> 00:29:44,314
Speaker 1: of you have to go home, and then there's no

625
00:29:44,354 --> 00:29:46,394
Speaker 1: more fame, there's no more followers, there's no more exciting

626
00:29:46,474 --> 00:29:48,034
Speaker 1: drama and free drinks at the dinner party.

627
00:29:48,074 --> 00:29:50,594
Speaker 2: So here's my other question. You've been seeing someone for

628
00:29:50,634 --> 00:29:53,314
Speaker 2: a week, you don't feel like there's sexual chemistry. Is

629
00:29:53,434 --> 00:29:56,554
Speaker 2: that something you can work on that can grow or

630
00:29:56,594 --> 00:30:00,194
Speaker 2: do you think question? It's something exists.

631
00:30:00,794 --> 00:30:04,674
Speaker 3: You've gotten to the heart of human natures.

632
00:30:04,634 --> 00:30:06,754
Speaker 1: And it's lucky we have all the answers. Yes, So

633
00:30:06,794 --> 00:30:11,754
Speaker 1: why yes, if there's will and humor and a relaxed.

634
00:30:11,274 --> 00:30:14,154
Speaker 3: Exception, none of it, no, no, no no. If not,

635
00:30:14,954 --> 00:30:20,234
Speaker 3: you can't, you can't. You cannot generate, make produce sexual chemistry.

636
00:30:20,274 --> 00:30:22,314
Speaker 3: It is either there or it is not there. Actually

637
00:30:22,314 --> 00:30:25,834
Speaker 3: take out sexual You can't create chemistry with a friend

638
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:28,714
Speaker 3: if it's not there. If you don't have chemistry with someone,

639
00:30:28,794 --> 00:30:29,314
Speaker 3: your dooms.

640
00:30:29,394 --> 00:30:31,954
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think you can because I

641
00:30:31,994 --> 00:30:34,754
Speaker 1: think it's not ideal. But there are some people who

642
00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:36,434
Speaker 1: you like them more and more the more you get

643
00:30:36,474 --> 00:30:39,354
Speaker 1: to know them, because like platonic people, you might meet

644
00:30:39,394 --> 00:30:40,834
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't like them, and then you

645
00:30:40,874 --> 00:30:42,234
Speaker 1: get to know them when you hang around with them

646
00:30:42,274 --> 00:30:42,994
Speaker 1: and you're like, yes.

647
00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:43,154
Speaker 3: I do.

648
00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,314
Speaker 2: How about people who are friends for years and years

649
00:30:45,514 --> 00:30:49,434
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden something switches and like

650
00:30:49,634 --> 00:30:51,114
Speaker 2: they but friends.

651
00:30:50,834 --> 00:30:52,874
Speaker 3: Don't fall out because they all of a sudden don't

652
00:30:52,874 --> 00:30:56,434
Speaker 3: have chemistry anymore. Friends fall out for like topical reasons.

653
00:30:56,874 --> 00:30:57,074
Speaker 4: Yeah.

654
00:30:57,114 --> 00:30:59,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jesse's asking, you know how your friends who

655
00:30:59,354 --> 00:31:00,274
Speaker 1: start having sex?

656
00:31:00,594 --> 00:31:04,834
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, yeah, so if you like, I've known lots

657
00:31:04,874 --> 00:31:08,914
Speaker 2: of people who started off as friends maybe years and years.

658
00:31:09,754 --> 00:31:09,914
Speaker 1: Yeah.

659
00:31:09,954 --> 00:31:13,074
Speaker 3: But that's the thing chemistry is, it's almost on a spectrum.

660
00:31:13,154 --> 00:31:15,994
Speaker 3: Like I think you've got to chemistry spectrum. You've got

661
00:31:15,994 --> 00:31:19,034
Speaker 3: friend chemistry. On the other end, you've got sexual chemistry.

662
00:31:19,074 --> 00:31:22,154
Speaker 3: You got to have some spark there even with friends.

663
00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:24,394
Speaker 3: I don't think you can be friends with someone and

664
00:31:24,474 --> 00:31:25,714
Speaker 3: not have a spark with them.

665
00:31:25,914 --> 00:31:27,354
Speaker 2: All right, this is my second question.

666
00:31:28,394 --> 00:31:29,274
Speaker 3: That's your third question.

667
00:31:29,394 --> 00:31:32,434
Speaker 2: This is this is my eight hundredth question. There was

668
00:31:32,954 --> 00:31:35,314
Speaker 2: an instance where they got all the girls together and

669
00:31:35,354 --> 00:31:37,234
Speaker 2: mel who's the one who's pissed off, shoudn't bet Bradley

670
00:31:37,274 --> 00:31:41,474
Speaker 2: Cooper ye stands up and she says, my husband's all full.

671
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:44,794
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't look like Bradley exactly, and just

672
00:31:44,994 --> 00:31:46,954
Speaker 2: like unleashed on him, right, I.

673
00:31:46,874 --> 00:31:49,394
Speaker 3: Feel sorry for him? Is he offended or her?

674
00:31:49,634 --> 00:31:50,274
Speaker 2: Yes?

675
00:31:51,314 --> 00:31:52,074
Speaker 6: So broken.

676
00:31:52,114 --> 00:31:55,514
Speaker 3: I've seen a man crush just told like, you don't

677
00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:56,234
Speaker 3: look like Bradley.

678
00:31:56,754 --> 00:31:59,274
Speaker 1: Also not even that, but just like me, yeah, yeah,

679
00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:00,394
Speaker 1: he's lovely.

680
00:32:00,434 --> 00:32:03,074
Speaker 2: He seems really lovely.

681
00:32:03,994 --> 00:32:06,954
Speaker 1: He's probably not love but he appears to me.

682
00:32:07,314 --> 00:32:08,954
Speaker 2: But she stands in front of all her friends and

683
00:32:09,074 --> 00:32:11,274
Speaker 2: is like, I got the worst husband. Da da da,

684
00:32:11,434 --> 00:32:14,314
Speaker 2: and like, just you know, he's not Bradley Cooper. And

685
00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,234
Speaker 2: apparently in order to be a girl's girl, you've got

686
00:32:17,234 --> 00:32:19,594
Speaker 2: to agree with her and embrace her and go, honey,

687
00:32:19,634 --> 00:32:21,994
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry this happened to you. But one woman

688
00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:25,194
Speaker 2: was like, there's two sides to every story. It sounds

689
00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:26,074
Speaker 2: like you've been kind of.

690
00:32:26,394 --> 00:32:29,794
Speaker 3: This sounds very nuanced. Yeah, she's not gonna last long.

691
00:32:29,954 --> 00:32:33,354
Speaker 2: So my question with that is, if you have a

692
00:32:33,394 --> 00:32:37,634
Speaker 2: friend who's unleashing on their part, question, is it your

693
00:32:37,754 --> 00:32:40,114
Speaker 2: job to kind of put your arms around them and go,

694
00:32:40,194 --> 00:32:41,034
Speaker 2: you are so right?

695
00:32:41,194 --> 00:32:44,354
Speaker 3: I want to know. Okay, that's another huge question. What's

696
00:32:44,434 --> 00:32:45,274
Speaker 3: your answer to that?

697
00:32:46,474 --> 00:32:49,034
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, it depends on how well you

698
00:32:49,154 --> 00:32:51,434
Speaker 2: know them, But I think that there is a very

699
00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:55,954
Speaker 2: subtle way that perhaps you could introduce their perspective, that

700
00:32:55,994 --> 00:33:00,234
Speaker 2: you could say, well, maybe he is feeling a little

701
00:33:00,234 --> 00:33:03,834
Speaker 2: bit rejected because he doesn't look like Bradley Cooper and

702
00:33:03,834 --> 00:33:07,074
Speaker 2: that's hurt him. And so I don't think in order

703
00:33:07,074 --> 00:33:08,634
Speaker 2: to be a girl's girl, you've got to nod your

704
00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:10,834
Speaker 2: head and just go you are so right all the time.

705
00:33:11,074 --> 00:33:12,954
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because I think I saw this

706
00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:16,114
Speaker 1: bit play out and she they rounded on the woman

707
00:33:16,154 --> 00:33:18,834
Speaker 1: who said hold on, maybe the many opinions here. They

708
00:33:19,034 --> 00:33:22,394
Speaker 1: rounded on her. They were like, what do you mean?

709
00:33:23,474 --> 00:33:25,954
Speaker 3: I have never heard the phrase around and before. It's

710
00:33:26,034 --> 00:33:28,914
Speaker 3: very vivid. I get what you mean, she was.

711
00:33:28,954 --> 00:33:32,074
Speaker 1: And they were like, you're clearly not a girl's girl. No,

712
00:33:32,194 --> 00:33:34,274
Speaker 1: you definitely don't have to agree all the time.

713
00:33:34,154 --> 00:33:36,114
Speaker 3: Particularly when the critique is that you don't look like

714
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:36,914
Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper.

715
00:33:37,034 --> 00:33:37,954
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and you're.

716
00:33:37,874 --> 00:33:40,914
Speaker 1: Being ridiculous and you can She was like, maybe he

717
00:33:40,954 --> 00:33:43,674
Speaker 1: doesn't look like Bradley Cooper, maybe he has other redeeming qualities.

718
00:33:43,714 --> 00:33:45,954
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean, You're a terrible person.

719
00:33:45,994 --> 00:33:46,914
Speaker 1: Get out of the room.

720
00:33:47,794 --> 00:33:50,714
Speaker 2: You're obsessed with men. You always take the man's side.

721
00:33:50,874 --> 00:33:53,634
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm trying to think critically. I'm trying to

722
00:33:53,674 --> 00:33:57,754
Speaker 1: take this source material, this material and form some kind

723
00:33:57,794 --> 00:33:58,754
Speaker 1: of informed view.

724
00:33:59,354 --> 00:34:03,594
Speaker 3: I started this segment skeptical about this show. Now I

725
00:34:03,634 --> 00:34:04,554
Speaker 3: am all in.

726
00:34:04,714 --> 00:34:06,954
Speaker 2: You should go catch up on the last fourteen hours.

727
00:34:06,954 --> 00:34:10,354
Speaker 1: And you know who loves Just back to the question

728
00:34:10,433 --> 00:34:13,633
Speaker 1: of why Australia everyone loves the Australian maths. I think

729
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:17,314
Speaker 1: it's because it is quite unhinged. Famous fans of Australian

730
00:34:17,354 --> 00:34:23,234
Speaker 1: maths include Ryan Reynolds. He has referenced it more than once.

731
00:34:23,754 --> 00:34:29,674
Speaker 1: Suresha Ronan, the very serious Irish actress, says it's her

732
00:34:29,754 --> 00:34:32,674
Speaker 1: absolute guilty pleasure. She only likes the Aussie one and

733
00:34:32,714 --> 00:34:34,474
Speaker 1: your tailor Joy Sam Smith.

734
00:34:34,514 --> 00:34:36,594
Speaker 2: They all because.

735
00:34:38,954 --> 00:34:40,794
Speaker 1: Than anyone in the world.

736
00:34:42,074 --> 00:34:45,554
Speaker 3: After the break, Do you really fall off an aging

737
00:34:45,714 --> 00:34:56,674
Speaker 3: cliff at this particular age? There are certain years in

738
00:34:56,714 --> 00:34:59,754
Speaker 3: which aging hits us hard, it moves us forward in

739
00:34:59,914 --> 00:35:03,594
Speaker 3: what seems like hyper speed. And scientists have now identified

740
00:35:03,914 --> 00:35:07,554
Speaker 3: two of those years. Are you ready to hear them?

741
00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:08,354
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.

742
00:35:08,434 --> 00:35:13,913
Speaker 3: The first age is forty four, the second age is sixty. Now,

743
00:35:13,954 --> 00:35:17,034
Speaker 3: apparently the reason why these two years have been identified

744
00:35:17,154 --> 00:35:21,433
Speaker 3: is because your molecules change at that age in a

745
00:35:21,514 --> 00:35:24,194
Speaker 3: very big way. I cannot answer further questions and what

746
00:35:24,274 --> 00:35:26,953
Speaker 3: happens to the molecules. Just trust me that the molecules

747
00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:27,953
Speaker 3: just get up and leave.

748
00:35:28,434 --> 00:35:30,274
Speaker 1: Trust We trust you.

749
00:35:30,514 --> 00:35:33,074
Speaker 2: It's not even like three molecules, it's like hundreds.

750
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:33,593
Speaker 1: Of thousands of months.

751
00:35:33,594 --> 00:35:34,714
Speaker 3: They're angry.

752
00:35:34,554 --> 00:35:39,274
Speaker 2: They are kissed at forty five, and it's your skinnymore.

753
00:35:39,474 --> 00:35:42,074
Speaker 3: No, they're just like you know, the things they're especially

754
00:35:42,154 --> 00:35:46,473
Speaker 3: pissed about. They hate alcohol and they hate caffeine. And

755
00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:51,034
Speaker 3: to those molecules, I say something that I need to

756
00:35:51,114 --> 00:35:54,074
Speaker 3: censor on air. So at this point I would like

757
00:35:54,154 --> 00:35:58,554
Speaker 3: to hold hands with my co hosts because I am approaching, approaching,

758
00:35:58,874 --> 00:36:03,714
Speaker 3: not at not near, but approaching this so called aging cliff. Now,

759
00:36:03,714 --> 00:36:06,234
Speaker 3: the scientists do say that I can delay the aging

760
00:36:06,314 --> 00:36:09,754
Speaker 3: cliff in bear ways, tell me you'll never guess you're

761
00:36:12,234 --> 00:36:16,274
Speaker 3: pro protein something called sleep. They say it was necessary

762
00:36:16,354 --> 00:36:21,234
Speaker 3: to send molecules. Molecules are very high maintenance. But nonetheless

763
00:36:21,274 --> 00:36:23,954
Speaker 3: I feel like a little panicked about this, not going

764
00:36:24,034 --> 00:36:26,234
Speaker 3: to lie Holy did this happen to you.

765
00:36:27,034 --> 00:36:28,754
Speaker 1: I'm well and truly on the other side of that

766
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:32,154
Speaker 1: particular cliff at the bottom of the cliff, looking up.

767
00:36:35,434 --> 00:36:39,234
Speaker 3: A cliff made of cold, I was tired.

768
00:36:39,314 --> 00:36:40,314
Speaker 1: I had to lie down.

769
00:36:41,314 --> 00:36:41,754
Speaker 2: I don't know.

770
00:36:41,874 --> 00:36:44,274
Speaker 1: I think it depends on your forty four. Like when

771
00:36:44,274 --> 00:36:46,994
Speaker 1: I was forty four, I had a three year old,

772
00:36:47,314 --> 00:36:50,314
Speaker 1: a five year old, a very busy job. I just

773
00:36:50,394 --> 00:36:52,914
Speaker 1: changed careers. I was very tired.

774
00:36:53,034 --> 00:36:53,473
Speaker 2: I was not.

775
00:36:53,514 --> 00:36:56,594
Speaker 1: Thinking about this at all. We were not as good

776
00:36:56,594 --> 00:36:58,993
Speaker 1: at aging, or we hadn't been as poked into being

777
00:36:59,034 --> 00:37:02,034
Speaker 1: as obsessed with aging. Then the big skincare revolution was

778
00:37:02,074 --> 00:37:05,354
Speaker 1: on the horizon. But what I do remember is in

779
00:37:05,354 --> 00:37:07,873
Speaker 1: the middle of a sort of break down I had

780
00:37:07,914 --> 00:37:10,554
Speaker 1: around that time, which wasn't age related. It was a

781
00:37:10,634 --> 00:37:12,514
Speaker 1: life related. But I remember sending a text to a

782
00:37:12,514 --> 00:37:14,194
Speaker 1: friend that was like all of the things that were

783
00:37:14,234 --> 00:37:15,554
Speaker 1: wrong with my life and then at the end it

784
00:37:15,634 --> 00:37:16,714
Speaker 1: just said, and.

785
00:37:16,794 --> 00:37:18,754
Speaker 3: Even my hair is aging.

786
00:37:19,914 --> 00:37:21,274
Speaker 2: What does aging hair look like?

787
00:37:24,114 --> 00:37:26,553
Speaker 1: The texture change is the color fades if you've got

788
00:37:26,714 --> 00:37:29,114
Speaker 1: if you haven't died it, the color fades a text

789
00:37:29,194 --> 00:37:33,393
Speaker 1: to change. But I don't remember. I don't remember. It's

790
00:37:33,434 --> 00:37:34,873
Speaker 1: the truthful, It's okay.

791
00:37:35,154 --> 00:37:37,554
Speaker 2: So just to bring it back to me for a minute,

792
00:37:38,274 --> 00:37:41,994
Speaker 2: I'm who's nowhere near forty. I'm nine years off theory.

793
00:37:42,314 --> 00:37:45,674
Speaker 2: They'll have fixed it, don't you reckon the college cheese

794
00:37:45,674 --> 00:37:47,754
Speaker 2: will have fixed it. I think that in the next

795
00:37:47,994 --> 00:37:50,834
Speaker 2: nine years, with all this aging research every time, I.

796
00:37:51,314 --> 00:37:53,754
Speaker 3: Don't know, Jesse, I think I just feel like they've

797
00:37:53,834 --> 00:37:57,594
Speaker 3: just got one cure to everything now and it's strength training,

798
00:37:58,074 --> 00:38:00,234
Speaker 3: And I just refused to leave. Squats are going to

799
00:38:00,354 --> 00:38:02,754
Speaker 3: keep me on the cliff.

800
00:38:03,154 --> 00:38:05,393
Speaker 1: Actually, the squats might be the thing to keep you

801
00:38:05,434 --> 00:38:12,034
Speaker 1: on the cliff because good at balancing teacher.

802
00:38:11,874 --> 00:38:13,834
Speaker 3: Of my glues. That's how engaged they'll be.

803
00:38:14,394 --> 00:38:18,154
Speaker 2: I have noticed that a lot of my friends are

804
00:38:18,154 --> 00:38:21,194
Speaker 2: in their forties, their relationship with alcohol changes. Like most

805
00:38:21,234 --> 00:38:23,434
Speaker 2: of my friends in their mid forties are not drinking alcohol,

806
00:38:23,794 --> 00:38:27,954
Speaker 2: and they've found yeah, yeah, the health kick forties is

807
00:38:28,034 --> 00:38:31,393
Speaker 2: absolutely a thing like the healthiest people I know are

808
00:38:31,914 --> 00:38:36,194
Speaker 2: forty fifty sixty like that. That's definitely a real it

809
00:38:36,274 --> 00:38:37,154
Speaker 2: can be a moment.

810
00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:40,514
Speaker 1: I was much fitter then. I was running marathon half marathons.

811
00:38:41,354 --> 00:38:43,714
Speaker 1: I was running half marathons in my early forties. Oh

812
00:38:43,754 --> 00:38:45,393
Speaker 1: my god, now I can't run to the shop.

813
00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:47,274
Speaker 3: No, with two little kids.

814
00:38:47,314 --> 00:38:49,514
Speaker 1: You were running some kind of breakdown.

815
00:38:49,914 --> 00:38:54,434
Speaker 2: Clearly this reminded me of I read something at the

816
00:38:54,514 --> 00:38:57,114
Speaker 2: end of last year that said that the brain has

817
00:38:57,194 --> 00:39:00,553
Speaker 2: five ears. You guys read this. No, so it's got

818
00:39:00,594 --> 00:39:03,834
Speaker 2: five eras. And again it's not a steady progression.

819
00:39:03,834 --> 00:39:04,914
Speaker 3: It's like the eras tour.

820
00:39:05,154 --> 00:39:08,514
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and like there are major turning points.

821
00:39:09,274 --> 00:39:10,074
Speaker 3: What are the points?

822
00:39:10,274 --> 00:39:12,674
Speaker 2: Okay, so there is zero to nine.

823
00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:15,033
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's kind of that was the golden Erara.

824
00:39:15,834 --> 00:39:20,234
Speaker 2: Then nine to thirty two is the adolescent thirty two.

825
00:39:20,714 --> 00:39:24,514
Speaker 2: So apparently mental health issues emerged during this period. There

826
00:39:24,554 --> 00:39:28,954
Speaker 2: is something that happens with like the recalibration of the

827
00:39:28,954 --> 00:39:31,474
Speaker 2: brain or whatever that if you're going to have a

828
00:39:31,514 --> 00:39:32,554
Speaker 2: lot of these issues.

829
00:39:32,234 --> 00:39:35,114
Speaker 3: Though the neurologs aren't listening to this sage.

830
00:39:36,394 --> 00:39:39,473
Speaker 2: In fact check this. But then the next era, Dr

831
00:39:39,594 --> 00:39:42,514
Speaker 2: JESSETI we are all in the same era. What's that

832
00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:46,074
Speaker 2: era thirty two to sixty six, and I'm going to

833
00:39:46,074 --> 00:39:47,234
Speaker 2: call this the Golden eror that's not.

834
00:39:47,234 --> 00:39:48,513
Speaker 3: What it's called. What's it called.

835
00:39:48,994 --> 00:39:52,514
Speaker 2: It's called something really boring about brain architecture. But basically,

836
00:39:53,114 --> 00:39:57,754
Speaker 2: it's a plateau in intelligence and personality. It's like our

837
00:39:57,834 --> 00:40:01,714
Speaker 2: brains are functioning as they ought to. It's not like

838
00:40:01,794 --> 00:40:05,194
Speaker 2: about neural connections as much as it is in those periods.

839
00:40:06,194 --> 00:40:09,354
Speaker 2: And then from sixty six there's a I mean, I

840
00:40:09,354 --> 00:40:11,314
Speaker 2: don't want to use the word decline, but a scientists

841
00:40:11,314 --> 00:40:16,074
Speaker 2: say decline and eighty three decline. So that's it is terribly,

842
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:17,354
Speaker 2: really really checking.

843
00:40:17,394 --> 00:40:19,234
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I'm going to employ an Emily

844
00:40:19,354 --> 00:40:22,393
Speaker 1: vannamanism here. We are all thinking about ourselves too much

845
00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:25,994
Speaker 1: because like you've what are your options? Protein squats?

846
00:40:26,114 --> 00:40:28,274
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, roteine and squats.

847
00:40:28,754 --> 00:40:30,754
Speaker 1: You know it's going to happen, and you're going to

848
00:40:30,794 --> 00:40:31,794
Speaker 1: find a way to deal with it.

849
00:40:31,874 --> 00:40:35,354
Speaker 3: There was an interesting article in New York magazine last year,

850
00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:37,594
Speaker 3: which I know you saw, with this really funny photo

851
00:40:37,594 --> 00:40:40,034
Speaker 3: shoot accompanied it. It was all about this aging cliff, the

852
00:40:40,074 --> 00:40:42,874
Speaker 3: aging cliff of forty four, and they must have rounded

853
00:40:42,954 --> 00:40:46,274
Speaker 3: up every single woman in New York who was exactly

854
00:40:46,354 --> 00:40:50,074
Speaker 3: forty four and took incredibly unflattering photos of them as

855
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,674
Speaker 3: if to prove the point of the article. I just

856
00:40:52,714 --> 00:40:54,634
Speaker 3: want to know why those women agreed to be in

857
00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:55,274
Speaker 3: those photos.

858
00:40:55,314 --> 00:40:56,714
Speaker 2: They didn't know what they were being no.

859
00:40:56,834 --> 00:40:59,714
Speaker 3: Favors were being done. They were probably told that they

860
00:40:59,754 --> 00:41:01,714
Speaker 3: were doing this thing about how fabulous it is to

861
00:41:01,714 --> 00:41:04,874
Speaker 3: be forty four. And it had a great article attached

862
00:41:04,914 --> 00:41:08,034
Speaker 3: to it by Emily Gould, who was such a writer,

863
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:11,754
Speaker 3: and she made the point that this cliff is particularly

864
00:41:11,794 --> 00:41:16,034
Speaker 3: galling for us aging millennials because it's been harder for

865
00:41:16,154 --> 00:41:19,994
Speaker 3: us to hit those adult milestones and previous generations, whether

866
00:41:20,034 --> 00:41:23,514
Speaker 3: it's because of the housing crisis or whether it's because

867
00:41:23,554 --> 00:41:25,474
Speaker 3: of the fact that we have a lot of hextet

868
00:41:25,794 --> 00:41:28,274
Speaker 3: things are weighing us down in a way that previous

869
00:41:28,274 --> 00:41:30,834
Speaker 3: generations didn't have. So the idea that we're now also

870
00:41:30,874 --> 00:41:33,074
Speaker 3: having to embrace the fact that we're aging when we

871
00:41:33,114 --> 00:41:35,714
Speaker 3: don't feel like growing ups, that's a really hard discion.

872
00:41:36,274 --> 00:41:40,114
Speaker 2: So gen X, just like gen X basically said no

873
00:41:40,514 --> 00:41:43,234
Speaker 2: to menopause, perimenopause and menopause. They were like, no, we're

874
00:41:43,274 --> 00:41:44,194
Speaker 2: not dealing with this shit.

875
00:41:44,274 --> 00:41:44,473
Speaker 3: Yep.

876
00:41:44,754 --> 00:41:47,674
Speaker 2: I think millennials are looking at aging going.

877
00:41:47,634 --> 00:41:49,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not on my body.

878
00:41:49,434 --> 00:41:50,074
Speaker 1: We're not having that.

879
00:41:50,554 --> 00:41:52,554
Speaker 3: And I've got a bright spot to bring to you

880
00:41:52,674 --> 00:41:56,514
Speaker 3: to that point, which is that side parts are back.

881
00:41:57,914 --> 00:41:58,754
Speaker 1: That is good news.

882
00:41:58,874 --> 00:42:00,754
Speaker 2: And everyone is that why you're wearing one?

883
00:42:00,834 --> 00:42:02,913
Speaker 3: It is? It is. And you know how we can

884
00:42:02,914 --> 00:42:03,953
Speaker 3: tell that side parts are.

885
00:42:03,914 --> 00:42:05,554
Speaker 2: Back because a bride on Maths had one.

886
00:42:05,874 --> 00:42:09,394
Speaker 3: Oh, because a bride had and also Zoey Kravitz wearing

887
00:42:09,434 --> 00:42:12,194
Speaker 3: a side part. And you can also tell that back

888
00:42:12,234 --> 00:42:14,714
Speaker 3: because the New York Times wrote in an article this

889
00:42:14,794 --> 00:42:18,754
Speaker 3: week rather condescendingly, I thought, good news, millennials, the side

890
00:42:18,754 --> 00:42:21,234
Speaker 3: part is back. So just to bring you up to speed,

891
00:42:21,274 --> 00:42:23,994
Speaker 3: you may have forgotten that side parts were thrown onto

892
00:42:24,034 --> 00:42:28,834
Speaker 3: the trash heap. That is choogi things. Yes, like embarrassing

893
00:42:28,874 --> 00:42:32,473
Speaker 3: things by young people. All these millennial sort of staples

894
00:42:32,914 --> 00:42:37,234
Speaker 3: that were deemed embarrassing. These include the laughing crying emoji,

895
00:42:37,714 --> 00:42:41,274
Speaker 3: which I still maintain is the most clear best emoji.

896
00:42:41,314 --> 00:42:42,873
Speaker 3: It's evocative, it's expressive.

897
00:42:43,074 --> 00:42:44,473
Speaker 2: I use it dozens of times a day.

898
00:42:44,514 --> 00:42:46,274
Speaker 3: I know I'm meant to be using the skull, but

899
00:42:46,434 --> 00:42:49,274
Speaker 3: I just think that's a little morbid in macab Another

900
00:42:49,314 --> 00:42:51,873
Speaker 3: thing that is apparently Trugi, which might might or might

901
00:42:51,914 --> 00:42:55,034
Speaker 3: not be making a comeback, is golden retrievers. Did you

902
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:58,953
Speaker 3: know this? They're apparently Tughi And then all.

903
00:42:58,714 --> 00:43:00,674
Speaker 2: My millennial friends have golden retrievers.

904
00:43:00,794 --> 00:43:00,993
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:43:00,994 --> 00:43:01,434
Speaker 2: Interesting.

906
00:43:01,834 --> 00:43:07,873
Speaker 3: And also apparently Lasagna Lazagna was deemed chogi and like hopelessly. Now, look,

907
00:43:07,874 --> 00:43:08,794
Speaker 3: I do love Lasanna.

908
00:43:09,874 --> 00:43:10,594
Speaker 1: I reckom that a.

909
00:43:10,634 --> 00:43:13,754
Speaker 2: Side part looks more relaxed. It looks like you tried.

910
00:43:13,834 --> 00:43:17,074
Speaker 3: It's just much flattering. Yeah, and I know that's a

911
00:43:17,114 --> 00:43:18,194
Speaker 3: millennial word to you.

912
00:43:18,394 --> 00:43:19,914
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely.

913
00:43:19,554 --> 00:43:21,434
Speaker 1: Is it just I mean again, and know you're not

914
00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:24,314
Speaker 1: supposed to say it, but a center part pulls everything down.

915
00:43:24,394 --> 00:43:28,394
Speaker 1: And the thing with age is everything's already down the cliff,

916
00:43:28,674 --> 00:43:31,034
Speaker 1: whereas the side part is like a little hard is

917
00:43:31,034 --> 00:43:33,834
Speaker 1: it just going like back up just a little bit.

918
00:43:34,994 --> 00:43:37,234
Speaker 3: So I did want to fact check the Times, because,

919
00:43:37,234 --> 00:43:39,994
Speaker 3: as we've discussed, it's important to be checking our sources.

920
00:43:40,434 --> 00:43:43,154
Speaker 3: They mentioned Zoe Kravitz. They also mentioned that Hailey be

921
00:43:43,394 --> 00:43:47,393
Speaker 3: but is rocking aside part. It's not true. I went

922
00:43:47,434 --> 00:43:49,514
Speaker 3: to look at the photos from the Wuthering Heights premiere

923
00:43:49,554 --> 00:43:53,274
Speaker 3: and Sydney we were there, which we were at Hailey

924
00:43:53,354 --> 00:43:56,594
Speaker 3: b but very much wearing her center part, her signature

925
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:58,954
Speaker 3: center part. And of course Margot Robbie at the Sydney

926
00:43:58,994 --> 00:44:02,834
Speaker 3: premiere looked amazing but also very much had a center part.

927
00:44:02,994 --> 00:44:05,394
Speaker 3: So look, take this news with a grain of salt

928
00:44:05,434 --> 00:44:08,194
Speaker 3: and a critical thinking. You may to critically ignore it,

929
00:44:08,274 --> 00:44:10,914
Speaker 3: but all I'm saying is that Lasagna is never out.

930
00:44:11,074 --> 00:44:12,154
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you.

931
00:44:12,594 --> 00:44:15,033
Speaker 1: That is all we have time for out louders, Thank

932
00:44:15,074 --> 00:44:17,354
Speaker 1: you so much for being here listening to the number

933
00:44:17,354 --> 00:44:19,834
Speaker 1: one show in the country with us, and thank you

934
00:44:19,834 --> 00:44:22,194
Speaker 1: to our amazing team for putting it together. We're going

935
00:44:22,234 --> 00:44:24,913
Speaker 1: to be back in your ears tomorrow with Miya, but

936
00:44:25,114 --> 00:44:26,274
Speaker 1: we'll see you on Friday.

937
00:44:26,554 --> 00:44:32,474
Speaker 3: Bye, Mama.

938
00:44:32,514 --> 00:44:35,513
Speaker 2: Miya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which

939
00:44:35,554 --> 00:44:36,914
Speaker 2: we have recorded this podcast.