WEBVTT - John Pearce // From Justice Crew to Purple Wiggle! 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.960 And obviously I know who Anthony is and everyone does 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:03.600 when you see him. And I said, you know, if 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.560 you need a training partner, I'm peteing, so let me 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.360 know you're up the road. I know you love a 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.240 bit of fitness, and that kind of opened up the 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.880 conversation between us through social media, and yeah, one conversation 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.840 led to an invitation to Wiggle's HQ to work on 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.200 a project. I think everything happens for a reason. Then 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.880 sometimes you find a roadblock in life. I think that's 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.720 all supposed to happen, and you only kind of realize 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.520 when you look back. That's why I did that, That's 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.280 why that happened, and this is why this happened. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.040 These are the yays of our lives. Busy and happy 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.120 are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.920 makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.239 rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.040 one way. So this is a platform to hear and 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.519 explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.360 the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:55.040 will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.400 Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.240 entrepreneur who's wap the suit and heels to co found 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.000 matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bark CZA is a series 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.120 of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.720 the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.640 Whether you are a child, have a child, or have 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.920 ever met a single child, you will undoubtedly know of 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.600 the Wiggles, and not just at home here in Australia. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.640 They've also captured the hearts of families around the world 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.840 since they're beginning back in nineteen ninety one. Speaking of 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.000 capturing hearts, though in their latest evolution with eight wonderful members, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.160 one particular Wiggle has shot to global fame as the 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.640 Sexy Wiggle or officially as Big Strong John, and we 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.000 are so lucky to have him here with us today. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.119 Like many of our guests, you'll probably have seen John 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.800 Pierce many times either with The Wiggles or on his 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.720 own very busy socials before hearing him today without knowing 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.440 much of what came before his chapter in the Purple Suit. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.880 My favorite part of this show is getting to know 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.800 the person behind the scenes and you may not have 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.320 known that John was a member of the Justice Crew beforehand, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.320 creating a very different kind of music to that which 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.360 he creates today. That he was a member of said 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.680 Justice Crew alongside his twin one of seven siblings, That 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.120 his original career ambitions were in sport and nutrition, with 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.360 a previous appearance on Australian Ninja Warrior and a career 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.320 in personal training, or that at any moment now in fact, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.480 could be Right now as I record this, he is 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.320 about to become a father for the first time with 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.200 his beautiful wife Jesse expecting. I had read so much 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.720 about John, but knew nothing about his upbringing either, and 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.000 the amazing journey from commission Housing to global superstar while 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.880 keeping such a level, humble head on his shoulders. I 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.239 hope you guys enjoy finding a little bit more about 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.240 the purple Wiggle as I did. John Pierce, Welcome to 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:52.680 the show. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.720 Oh thanks for having me. This is great. I feel 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.800 like we're color coordinating to the microphone jacket. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.520 Yeah, but big missed opportunity by us. For those listening, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.120 we are matching, but not in the color purple, Like, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.239 how did that happen? 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.000 I know it's one of my favorite colors. Well, you know, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.000 it's a different day today. I've got to save that 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:09.880 for tomorrow's show. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.080 Well, I was going to have I've got a little 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.480 eight month old son and he was going to be 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.440 waiting for you when he came on to record in 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.480 this little MIDI purple wiggle outfit. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.400 That I wow, how cool. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.600 But he ended up having a nap and you'll soon 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.760 learn becoming a dad in a couple of weeks how 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.000 important nap times are. But maybe he can put it 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:28.600 on at the end. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.200 Okay, what's his name? 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:30.840 Teddy? 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.160 Oh? Teddy? Oh, how cute? Awesome? Love the meeting one day. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.520 Yeah, he's such a little sweetheart. I'm sure in no 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.200 time he will be absolutely obsessed with all things Wiggles. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.960 He hasn't quite discovered TV. He loves music. Still young, right, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.960 He's still a bit young. But I know the time 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.600 will come where this will be in his eyes my 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.400 biggest achievement ever, chatting to a real life wiggle. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.680 Yeah, that's like my little niece before she turned one. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.720 I did the same thing. I was I was watching 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.680 The Wiggles with it, and I was sitting with and I 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.400 think I'm made a video online I was like, she 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.920 has no idea that she's watching her uncle and I'm 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.160 sitting with her. But you'll realize, and they used to come. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.120 She looks back if she really cares, but you know. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.840 Oh she will. I mean, you guys are celebrities. This 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.640 is a serious celebrity we have on the show this week. Listeners. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:19.839 I'm so honored and I feel like this the Wiggles generally, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.479 I mean, for many reasons, and we'll get to this, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.159 but there's justice crew. First, there's you know, an ARIA 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.840 nominated chart topping career before we even get to the 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.800 Wiggles chapter. And then on top of that, you know, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.520 you're not just a Wiggle, You're the thirsty Wiggle, which 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.880 just brings us this extra level of virality. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.040 It's unique, it's unique. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.760 It's definitely you've occupied a very unique section of the Internet, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.560 which we will get to because I'm sure. I mean, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:48.880 one of the things I love to talk about on 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.360 this show is that the places that people end up 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.000 or the places that people are introduce to you now 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.120 will kind of get to know you as the Purple Wiggle. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.159 It's really easy to assume that you had a really 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.800 smooth path there, that you always knew that you'd end 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.200 up where you are, and I feel like so often 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.960 when you go back to the very beginning, you started 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.280 as a kid who had big dreams and often they 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.800 aren't ever sort of what you thought that you'd end 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.919 up in. So I like to start back in childhood. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.320 You know, I was reading that you were much more 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.359 into athletics and one hundred meters before hip hop became 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.960 a thing for you and six brothers one sister. You know, 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.360 there's a lot of kids running around and lots of 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.920 hopes and dreams, So figuring out sort of your path 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.039 and as a twin as well, like, there's a lot there, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.240 So tell us about your childhood. Who you thought you'd 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.119 be when you were little. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.320 You know, I thought I was going to be a 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.800 parrange when I was little, me and my brother. Obviously, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.600 I'm an identical twin, and I had a great childhood 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.200 when I look back, I always had a best friend 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.960 that was always there. We weren't competitive, but we love to, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.039 you know, be sporty and run around. We used to 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.880 go out on the street and race each other to 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.200 you know, past the time, and that was that was 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.640 what entertained us as as young as six, and you know, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.479 we wouldn't be on the street at that age, but 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.480 you know, we'd be playing and compete, and that's when 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.560 we kind of started our journey and athletics. But we 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.320 grew up in our house. A small house is a 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.520 two bedroom place. It's called housing commissioner government housing. So 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.000 I actually grew up in a place like that where 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.640 it was me, my brother, younger sister, my younger brother, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.920 and my older brother, which we grew up together. We 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.120 shared a room, my parents obviously in the other room, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.200 so it's very small and we didn't have a lot, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.279 but we had to use our imagination to entertain ourselves. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.599 And we weren't very watuate in the sense of, you know, 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.400 material things, but we were gifted in the art of 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.400 sport and energy, so I guess we had to turn 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.520 that into something. So sport was our outlet, and then 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.640 it ended up becoming dance through the journey. So yeah, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:39.760 in a nutshell. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.320 Wow, I love starting back at this earlier part of 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.600 people's lives because I think, you know, when you google 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.680 you it's not this kind of stuff that comes up, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.800 but it's hearing about people's beginnings, which are often much 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.000 more humble than you might expect when you look at 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.880 the chapter there and now, which is often when we 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.120 meet you, I bet you never expected that you'd end 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.960 up being, you know, the global sensation that you've become. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:01.960 Yeah, I know, and I guess, you know, growing up 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.039 in those circumstances, you only kind of get exposed to 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.479 what you see on TV and being surrounded by kind 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.280 of similar people, and you do get kind of put 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.440 in in a bubble. They say, you know, you've got 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:15.880 to kind of work, or you've got to study, and 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.240 you've got to do all these things, which is kind 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.280 of a general consensus where if you know, study get opportunities. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.720 But you know, I went to a public school. We 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.720 didn't have those kind of opportunities. And also you know, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.640 the financial backing to kind of take risks and all 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.520 that stuff. So I guess we had each other. But 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.240 I'm very grateful for that now, and I kind of 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.440 look back when I look at my childhood, it was great. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.080 I had a lot of fun, but you know the 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.680 standard of what I thought was fun was was very low, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.720 so that anything that I'm doing now it's I'm succeeding, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.480 and I feel like I'm truly happy for what I 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:43.800 do today, and I'm very grateful to be in the 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.000 Wiggles and to be able to perform and do music. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.600 But I think I'm not saying that's the definition of 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.960 true happiness. But you know, my blueprint of what a 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.760 perfect life was was that, and I think there's nothing 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.640 wrong with that. And it was a great at a 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.720 great time. But you know, there's a lot more out there, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.240 and there's a lot of opportunities to be had, and 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.440 I'm very grateful to be where I am today, and 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.840 I'm for my childhood and the way I was raised. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.119 I think there's an art to parenting in a way 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.559 that your children believe that what your means are able 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.840 to create for them is the best. Like I love 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.160 that you had no consciousness that it was more or 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.000 less than anyone else. You just had a great time. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.680 And I think that's really special that you had a 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:22.480 childhood like that. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.600 Yeah. Yeah, I hope everyone does have a good childhood, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.600 but everyone's story is unique and different, and I think 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.280 that's part of my story. And I was never really 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.600 I was kind of always embarrassed to talk about, you know, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.400 growing up in housing commission and not having much and 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.520 getting my mom to write a letter to school to 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.640 see if one of us can get exempt from school fees, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.480 which is only two hundred and fifty dollars or something 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.960 whatever that was. But they were always supportive in that sense. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.640 But now that I look back and I feel like, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.040 you know, it's okay to talk about that, and it's 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.120 you should be proud of your story no matter what 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:52.040 it is. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.000 It's also amazing to talk about it because there would 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.000 be other kids now who are listening and trying to 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.240 form their pathway and what as you said, like pople 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.400 can't believe they can do something unless they see it, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.320 unless it's visible, and so seeing you having made that 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.960 leave in your career makes other kids believe that they 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.679 could also kind of outgrow their circumstances. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.640 Yeah, and there's always hope and if you if you 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.520 want something in your dream enough, you got a dream 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.440 big and with justice screw we always stood for. That 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.320 was our quote was to dream big and no matter 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.400 what dream it is, it's if you believe it, you 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.640 can achieve it. So you just got to work hard 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.679 and get around the right people and just you know, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:27.600 have hope. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.160 Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, So there was a whole career before 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.600 the chapter that you're in right now, and then I 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.199 was also reading you went down an academic pathway there 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.760 for a while, doing a Bachelor of Science and a 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.080 diploma in nutrition, and then that led you to working 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.720 as a pt and there was a stint on Australia 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.960 Need You Worry You? So? Where did that sit alongside 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.040 Justice Crew? And how did I mean, how did you 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.600 go from that back to music and entertainment? How did 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:55.200 it all happen? 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.680 Where did that fall into the story. Yes, so me 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.640 and my brother. I always bring my brother because you know, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.880 we're twins and we did everything together. But if I 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.480 just assumed that he's part of my story. We did sports. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.079 That was our way of kind of finding our place. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.920 We were fast runners. We felt like we were naturally quick, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.120 and you know, we played sports and I felt like, yeah, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.920 we're good at that, and that was kind of People 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.680 would love to see us race each other and you know, 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.520 win races, which was really cool. And you know, through 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.920 school we did a bit of training. Outside of school. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.360 We were very successful in the athletics scene. I would say, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.679 you know, making a state at a national level through 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.920 high school was an achievement for us and we weren't 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.559 bringing no money, but we were bringing the gold medalsil metals 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.640 that that was good enough. And you know, through training, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.120 when we used to train, we used to do you know, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.360 sports like long jarm, triple jump, high jump, and you 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.520 know with high jump, there were these mats that you 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.120 could learn to do backflips and front flips on too, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.120 So we used to do that at training, and we 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.920 used to try to just flip our bodies around and 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.160 that's something we did because we had a lot of energy, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.480 and that kind of opened us up to the idea 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.160 of you know, breakdancing and dancing. And our older brother 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.199 who is full Filipino by the way, it's on my 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.400 mom's had a son before she had me and my brother, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.920 so we had an older brother that was full Filipino 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.480 that was always dancing and would always pull us in 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.120 the room and get us to learn these dance routines 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.080 that we didn't really we weren't really interested in at 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.760 the time. You know, this is early high school, and 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.160 I think we didn't realize that that was kind of 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.400 opening us up, like introducing us to the idea of 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.280 dance and break dance and performance. So that was kind 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.280 of the way we kind of got into Justice Crew. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.680 At high school, we formed a group we were called 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:29.280 the Athletes. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.319 I was going to say the athletes. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.080 We all loved sports, but we were a group of 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:39.320 friends and we all kind of did different sports like rugby, athletics, soccer, 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.400 you know, and we also love dance. So we started 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.920 learning dance through lunch breaks. We weren't out, you know, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.560 we're having lunch, but we went into the theaterret at 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.000 school and we taught each other and we started putting 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.000 together dance routines just for the fun of it, and 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.360 we used to you know, film it and make the 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.800 mixes ourselves. And we actually ended a competition outside of 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.920 school that we were like, you know, I think we're 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.240 good enough to go into a dance competition we called Groove, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.800 which is that Blacktown and you can kind of enter 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.680 and put there's battlegrounds and things like that where you compete, 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.680 and that was kind of the first introduction to dancing 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.000 for us. And we did it for fun, for a 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.200 bit of a laugh and yeah, so that was the 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.720 first performance that we kind of did from school. So 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.439 about year nine year tenant school. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.240 I had no idea that you guys just self taught 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.240 in your lunch breaks and then went on to become. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.960 That's what we did. That's how it started. And I 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.240 think from that because we didn't take we took it seriously, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.120 but not that serious that it was consuming our whole life. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.280 But we did it because we loved it. And we 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.520 met another group at this competition. They were called Psalms 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.280 and they were break dancers. So me and my brother 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.400 and this group called Psalms we formed Justice Crew and 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.920 that's where we kind of connected and we started a 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.800 new group from that because we kind of you know, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.760 we built a relationship and friendship from this, and that's 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:56.960 where Justice Screw was born. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.280 I mean, that's such an incredible story because I'm sure 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.360 there are a lot of kids who kind of get 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.360 together with their friends and like anyone who's creative, we all, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.719 you know, I was a dancer as well, and I've 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.800 done but jillion concerts for half my neighborhood, and you know, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.920 that's part of it, is like teaching yourself routines and 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.440 kind of performing. But not many people go on from 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.280 that structure and just playing around and enjoying themselves to 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:24.880 like aria chart topping songs, Top ten singles, ARIA Award nominations, 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.920 and to like a full time career. So what do 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.440 you think was the difference for you? And what happened 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.920 to your nutrition Sports Science PT career alongside that? 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.200 Like that came in a bit later. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.640 Okay, so another whole chapter's. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.120 Yea, So I'm trying to narrow it down. Like as 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.719 much as I don't like to talk, I've always got 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.760 a lot. There's a lot of story in there, but 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.960 I kind of skip past and I kind of jump 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.520 through just to kind of make it as relative as 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.320 possibly you can kind of keep interested. But so basically 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.160 after we formed Justice Group, this was kind of leading 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.080 up to after school, so we formed this new group 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.840 called Justice Crew, which we ended up going to Las 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.360 Vegas to compete the World Hip Hop Chaps because we 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.439 wanted to kind of you know, put ourselves on a 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.839 big platform. So like being self taught and going into that, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.880 I think we didn't have that pressure to feel like 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.160 we needed to do something because we kind of did 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.960 it because we loved it, and there was no standard 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.720 I think on our end to say, you know, we've 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.040 got to complete the Olympics. So if we don't achieve this, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:23.960 our life's over. We just kind of enjoyed it. And 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.520 I think our group of friends were like minded and 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.800 we're all self taught, so I felt like there was 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.080 no expectation on our side of things. But we were 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.000 just opened to every opportunity that came our way, and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.600 we just kind of seized it and just went full 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.240 blasts with it. And I think one story went to another. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.080 So we start off as a high school group, which 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.760 formed into us a group outside of school, which we 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.000 ended up going to Australia's Got Talent. Thank you to 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.200 my mom because she saw an advertisement saying you can 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.000 win two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and we were just, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:53.560 you know, busking at the time and she said, you 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.800 guys should go on this TV show. You could win 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.800 some money. You bring home, bring some money. So, you know, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.560 we did Australia's Got and. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.600 You Want It just quietly for everyone. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.400 We didn't think we were going to win it. We 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.280 just wanted to go on TV and do something. But 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:07.920 you know, I think the more we did the show, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.880 more we started to believe that we could be a 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.840 contender to win, and which we did win, and then 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.720 you know, from that Sony Music, you know, approached us 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.360 and said, do you guys do music? And we said, no, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.120 we just dance or we busk. And then we kind 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:22.520 of spoke to a few of the guys there and 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.320 they said, what if you guys dance to your own 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.320 music in your own music videos? How can will that be? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.760 And we said, you know, let's do it. You know, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.040 we didn't have the experience behind us. Well, we love 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.800 to do things and take an opportunity. So we ended 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.600 up getting signed to Sony Music to film a documentary 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.520 to lead us to get into studio to work with 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.320 the best writers and best songwriters and producers to start 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.440 writing our own music, and we started making our own 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.760 hit songs, and a few hit songs later, we've got 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.320 nominations and you know, number one songs with Bum and 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.280 case Rah and touring America with Pitbull and Kesher and 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.440 Chris Brown and all these big artists. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.040 Wild journey, Yeah, I think it's. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.760 A long journey. But you know, I think that the 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.280 moral of the story is, you know, the opportunities are, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.760 They're all around, and I think just being open minded 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.320 and just seizing each moment and not thinking too much 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.080 of it and just kind of taking it and just 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.240 you know, as long as you enjoy it, there's always 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.560 something that comes of it. And it's not really obvious sometimes, 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:18.920 but what the end goal is. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.400 Oh absolutely, I love that so much because I think 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.800 there's a lot of we just put so much pressure 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.320 on ourselves to find our passion and be the best 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.040 and attain success and fulfillment in life. And it's really interesting. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.520 You are probably one of the first people I've heard 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.000 who's had the level of success that you have in 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.600 such a competitive industry, Like, not many people actually can 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.680 make careers of the arts, and a lot of people's 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.360 families kind of dissuade them from doing music and dance 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.240 because you can't make a career of it. It's too hard, And. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:47.560 Yeah, it's very difficult. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.440 Yeah, it's rare that someone does get to where you've 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.400 gotten without waking up when they're five and going I 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.080 want to be that person. I love that it was 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.920 almost by accident, like you didn't put pressure on yourself. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.880 It definitely was. Yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.120 dreaming big at a young age. I think I actually 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.359 wanted to be a construction I've actually got an audio 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:06.920 tape of me in kindergarten saying I want to build 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.080 houses when I'm older, and that's totally the opposite of 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.840 what I'm doing now. And if I think, if I 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.240 could tell my younger self, you know, you're going to 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:13.800 be in the Wiggles. You're watching the Wiggles now, you're 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.800 going to be Yeah, but I think you're following your 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.680