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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for having me. This is great. I feel

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Speaker 2: Need You Worry You? So? Where did that sit alongside

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Speaker 1: I think, like, I believe in the power of the universe,

436
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 1: so I think the things are supposed to happen for you.

437
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,600
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like that. So I kind of

438
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,880
Speaker 1: pulled back from the media and touring because we've been

439
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 1: doing that since high school. It's all I've kind of known.

440
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 1: I've never been in the workforce working nine to five

441
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 1: and you know, just just working it and just getting

442
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,679
Speaker 1: a salary or whatever. I always wanted to do that

443
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't get to do that. So I think

444
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that wanted to just

445
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 1: be regular. I just want to work and just.

446
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 2: Just like wear a suit and just sit at.

447
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 1: A dance exactly. So I thought, you know, peting and

448
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 1: something that I could just kind of go, you know,

449
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640
Speaker 1: just be a real person. And even like the way

450
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 1: I got my clients and stuff like that, I didn't

451
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,720
Speaker 1: advertise from my social media platforms. It was kind of

452
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 1: a bit anonymous, and no one really knew that I

453
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 1: was in Justice Schreum until I started training with me

454
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,439
Speaker 1: and recognized me when they met me in person. So

455
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of an organic way to

456
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 1: just work a bit. So I actually reached out to

457
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: Anthony for the first time after I got married. We

458
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 1: moved into Gladesville and Anthony lives down the road, which

459
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know until we bumped into him and we

460
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 1: got to chatting. And obviously I know who Anthony is

461
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 1: and everyone does when you see him. And you know,

462
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: we got to chatting just before COVID. You know, I

463
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 1: reached out and I said, you know, if you need

464
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,159
Speaker 1: a training partner, I'm peeting, so let me know you're

465
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: up the road. I know you love a bit of fitness,

466
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: and that kind of opened up the conversation between us

467
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: through social media. And yeah, one conversation led to an

468
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 1: invitation to wiggles HQ to work on a project.

469
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 2: That is absolutely wild.

470
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: It is wild and it is so cool. By the way,

471
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 1: he's the coolest guy. You're mate, if you get the

472
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: chab you met Anthony before?

473
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: I haven't, No, I mean obviously have watched in my

474
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: entire life, but I've never had the chance to meet him.

475
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 2: But he seems like just an absolute legend.

476
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: Is of course? Yeah, is there a legend? Is the course?

477
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: Go You're meet and yeah, it gives everyone opportunities. I'm

478
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: super grateful that is, you know, give me the chance

479
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: to get back on stage and perform and travel and

480
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: to the world and now make a lot of children happy. Yeah,

481
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: my parents too.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just love that you mentioned that you

483
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: trust the universe, because I think sometimes when people go

484
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 2: through the chronological order of sort of their life. There's

485
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: a lot of goal set for this, and then I

486
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: worked really hard and then I positioned myself here and

487
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: I studied for this, and then there's sort of conversations

488
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 2: about luck and timing and stuff. But I just love

489
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: that sometimes it is just about trusting that you'll move

490
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 2: into the house that's three doors down from the person

491
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: you needed to meet, Like you just know, you never

492
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: know what's around the corner, and that's the beauty of it.

493
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes we overplan everything exactly.

494
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everything happens for a reason, and sometimes

495
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: you find a roadblock in life, like if you tried

496
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: to move somewhere, or you tried to get that job

497
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: but you didn't and something failed. I think that's all

498
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, and you only kind of realize when

499
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: you look back. You realize that's why I did that,

500
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: That's why that happened, and this is why this happened,

501
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here today. So I think everything

502
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: is supposed to happen the way. So thank you universe

503
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: looking out for me, my spiritual guide.

504
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: So before we get into what life as a wiggle,

505
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, looks like and everyone watches you guys from

506
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: like the finished product, but I'd love to hear a

507
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: little bit more about what it looks like behind their scenes.

508
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: And as you're preparing to become a parent, it's such

509
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: an exciting time in your life. But just going back

510
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: to the idea that you know, now it's a lot better,

511
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: and I'm sure the landscape has improved a lot, but

512
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: sort of you Justice Krue was on Australia It's Got

513
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: Talent around twenty ten and that was a very different

514
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: time in the landscape. There were you know, not as

515
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: many diverse faces on our TVs competing in competitions, not

516
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: just reality TV but all media. I feel like representation

517
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: for not just Asian Australians, but all cultures was a

518
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: lot less of a priority in the media. What has

519
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: your experience been from that perspective as an Asian Australian

520
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: in the media and in this industry, and you know

521
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: that spanned decades as well, You've kind of been there

522
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: over a time where it's changed. But even back in childhood,

523
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: have you ever experienced any racism? Were you ever bullied

524
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: in that sense? Because I think it's just as important

525
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: to talk about the barriers and the challenges we face

526
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: on our journeys as it is the good times when

527
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: things go well.

528
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: I think going back to, you know, my childhood, having

529
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: those real low expectations and kind of growing up with

530
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, and I had a twin brother there

531
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Speaker 1: all the time, so I always had someone that looked

532
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: like me. Yeah, almost too much like me. But you know,

533
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: you're going through school, like I think, because twins were,

534
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I felt like they weren't as common or especially where

535
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I grew up, so going to school, even in KINDI one,

536
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: you two, we were like everyone wants to play with

537
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: the twins.

538
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: And we were kind of like you're a novelty.

539
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: We were a bit like a novelty. So I felt

540
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: like we were almost different in a sense because we

541
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: were twins already that we almost were that novelty. But

542
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: as I said, like I had a great time growing up,

543
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: Like I didn't get experience bullying. I don't really look

544
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: like a typical, you know, like a minority in any sense,

545
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: because like people will look at me today and think,

546
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're from, or they didn't realize

547
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: that I'm Filipino. Me and my brother were so proud

548
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: to be Filipino. Like growing up, we had such a

549
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: good relationship with our aunties and our family, and we

550
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: just we wanted to almost be more of the minority

551
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: side of it because it just felt like it was

552
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: a bit different. Like it was like my first tatoe

553
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: was like the Filipino son. So I drew that myself

554
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: and I got that tattooed on there. Oh you know,

555
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: a tatto on my chest that says money while I

556
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: which means believe. And I think this. I don't know

557
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: if it's something maybe my mom did or my older

558
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: brother who was out something was like our idol growing up,

559
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: and to see him, he's pretty dark, so he's he'd

560
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: be considered a black Philippine. He caught himself Blazian. I

561
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a real turn, but he's, you know,

562
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: growing up like and that was our idol, and I

563
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: felt like someone like that was, you know, I would say,

564
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of a dark Asian with someone that we

565
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: want to be. And I think for me and my brother,

566
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: we always we want to dance like him, we wanted

567
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: to rap like him, we want to go to the gym.

568
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: It'd be big like him and his friends that that

569
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: was something that we looked up to, and I feel

570
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: like we felt a sense of belonging in that and

571
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: because we had sports, I think sports really also helped

572
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: us fit in in a way that kind of made us,

573
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, not like we're good at sports, so you

574
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: can't bully us. So I don't know, it just felt

575
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: like we had that, you know, I don't know, Yeah.

576
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, sport is such a great leveler

577
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: and can transcend other differences that might otherwise kind of

578
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: act as more of a division between people. It's such

579
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: a uniting thing.

580
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: Just want to look back at it. I think, you know,

581
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: I think it was probably more of the sense of

582
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: like how circumstance was, you know, because we were considered poor.

583
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that was probably more of the part that

584
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: we kind of hit from a lot of people that

585
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: we didn't really kind of advertise that, you know, we

586
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: had to eat you know, meat pires that were like

587
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: you buy a pack for two dollars, then we just

588
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: had to heat that up and we just brought that

589
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: for lunch. And I think like that was kind of

590
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: something that we weren't too proud of. But now that

591
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I'll look back, you know, be proud of it. Little Johnny. Yeah,

592
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: it's just who cares like, you know, but it's just

593
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: at that time you think of it, you didn't bring

594
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: people over to your house or you know, stuff like that.

595
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting and I'm so it's so great

596
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 2: to hear that you didn't experience any racism in your

597
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: school years or or sort of along the way. Would

598
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: you say, has your cultural heritage ever been an obstacle

599
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: in terms of your career? Has it ever been something

600
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: that stopped you getting an opportunity?

601
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: Do you think if I was to just be honest,

602
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: I think because we didn't look like typical like you know,

603
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: people didn't know where we were from that would just

604
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: see us, you know, like me and my brother, like

605
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: even Laven today, I don't really get that people would

606
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: say you're Filipino.

607
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah already I would.

608
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: Have to say it, like because you know, like sharing

609
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: my mom through my social platforms kind of allowed I

610
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to say everyone, look I'm yeah. I thought

611
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: like if you just say, if you saw my mom

612
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: and how we grew up and this was what was

613
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: looking after us and raising us, like we grew up

614
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: like you know, in the Filippino household, which is how there,

615
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: So I think having that, yeah, that was our experience.

616
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. My husband is half Singaporean and

617
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: he's very similar to you. He looks sort off, you

618
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: can't tell in Italy, he looks Italian in like the

619
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: Middle East, he looks Middle Eastern like, he's quiet. It's

620
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: only like Singaporean women who go, I know you're half Singaporean,

621
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: but most people can't tell. And so yeah, he's found

622
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: that he hasn't experienced any sort of racial discrimination in

623
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: his older age, but when he was younger, he looked

624
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: a lot more Asian and he grew up in country Tazzy,

625
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: so's a lot less multicultural back then. So he found

626
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: more in childhood, but now not so much, which is yeah,

627
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: which is fascinating. So the Wiggles chapter, So since twenty

628
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: twenty one, you have been a purple Wiggle. What is

629
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: it like? What is it like knowing that you were

630
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: gracing the households of an entire nation and overseas and

631
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: bringing joy to like a younger generation.

632
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really cool job. Like I'm actually like

633
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: so proud and so privileged and grateful, to be able

634
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: to call myself a Wiggle And I think growing up

635
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: with the Wiggles, you just you see them as you know,

636
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: they're international stars. This is this is like the Beatles

637
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: for children or you know, this is like everybody knows

638
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: the Wiggles.

639
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: You are literally the Beatles for children. That is literally

640
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: what you are.

641
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still bizarre to me, but it feels

642
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: like the coolest job in the world. And you know,

643
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I would walk around and almost feel like Clark Kent,

644
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: like when you see little kids and stuff walking with

645
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: their parents you think like, oh, I have no idea

646
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, I'm like Superman like undercover, like

647
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of in disguise when I'm not wearing

648
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: like purple outfits. But it's the coolest job in the world.

649
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: And to be able to bring joy to families and

650
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: write music and be able to perform and you know,

651
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: it's bizarre and totally grateful for it. Love it. It's indescribable.

652
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: It's really cool that you mentioned you wanted to be

653
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: a power Ranger when you were younger, which was like

654
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: a superhero based on a color, which is kind of

655
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: what the Wiggles are. You're a superhero based on a color.

656
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: I know you kind of did end up getting there,

657
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: and I think that's what goes through my head.

658
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: You know, we get to play ourselves as the Wiggles

659
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: and that's the cool part about you know, like Anthony

660
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: and the guys there, and they kind of bring out

661
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: your personality through your character and I'm not playing like

662
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: big strong John. It's like, I love my fitness, I

663
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: love nutrition, I love to be athletic. So that's my

664
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: personality showing through my character. And I think it's almost

665
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: an essense of a power ranger or a superhero, and

666
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm kind of trying to portray

667
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: through a Wiggles character. Even though the Wiggles were the

668
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, Greg Murray, Jeff Anthony, directly, Donalds or that's

669
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: what I grew up with, it's a different area and

670
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: now as a diverse wigl so it's a bit different.

671
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: The next generation are growing up watching the current Wiggles

672
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: as their original Wigel. So if you look at it

673
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: like that doesn't feel as imposter syndrome as what I felt.

674
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what would your day look like? Like? Do

675
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: you guys, how much do you rehearse together. How much

676
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: you do you Yeah, you mentioned you're writing music when

677
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: you're writing songs together? And is always all of the

678
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Wiggles together or do you go off and do some

679
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: solo things like I often see you with Sahai and

680
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: like you're doing things kind of in groups. How does

681
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: it all work? And do you ever get days off?

682
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely get days off. I think that's important

683
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: in any role. But you know, this job, you'd call

684
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it a job, you call it a do you just

685
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: become a wiggless But you know, a day in the life,

686
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: it's always different. There's no two days the same. If

687
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: we're not touring and traveling, we're in the studio and

688
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: we're writing music, we're recording music, or we're filming TV series,

689
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: or we're filming social media TikTok or Instagram videos. But

690
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: there's always something going on. And for example, today I'm

691
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: not in Wiggle down today, I'm heading off to Canberra

692
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: for some shows tomorrow, risking there. Hopefully my wife doesn't

693
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: for you know, give it doesn't break over a night.

694
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: But you know, like in no two days are the same.

695
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: So if we're not traveling, we're in the studio or

696
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing different projects. We're always working on

697
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: a different project every day. Yeah, So before I joined

698
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: the Whigs in I'd always wonder what they'd be doing

699
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, Like you'd watch them on YouTube

700
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: on ABC and you'd see the shows and you'd see

701
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: them touring, but you wonder what the day in the

702
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: life of was like. And now I kind of get

703
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: to see firsthand what goes on. And there's always something

704
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: happening and it's it was like chaos, but it's like

705
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: a controlled chaos, and there's always something. There's like someone

706
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: coming in asking for this, and someone can you come

707
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: and do this quickly? And then we've got to quickly

708
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: write this. And now we've got a new album that's

709
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: seen this, and now we've got to get this done.

710
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: But we'll stop that, but we'll go into the studio

711
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: and we'll film this on green screen and we've got

712
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: to put you know, film this TV show. And now

713
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: we've got this guest coming in and we're going to

714
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: film with this person. Now we're off to Melbourne tomorrow

715
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to do you know, it's just always something like that

716
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: and it's not crazy, but it's crazy good love. Yeah.

717
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's was kind of why it was such

718
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: a big question for me, because I think there are

719
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: so many people listening who feel like they know you,

720
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Like you're in our houses and we spend so much

721
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: time watching you perform. We know your body language and

722
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: we know like, yeah, parts of your persona. But it

723
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: is kind of like, well, what are you guys doing

724
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: in between? Yeah, you're rocking around in your purple outfit,

725
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: Like do you have other clothes?

726
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, I know, there's a lot going on, and

727
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: it takes a while, you know, to put all these

728
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: things together. And this year we put I think we

729
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: had nearly forty hours of content. We had to write, record,

730
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: and film them all, and that's like a lot of planning.

731
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: In some days we'd get through, Like when I was

732
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: in Just Screw, we'd take a day or two to

733
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: film a video clip for a song. We're at the Wiggles,

734
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: who might film eight video clips recorded and filmed, and

735
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: we'd choreograph on the spot. So when the cameras all

736
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: set up, we're in the where we're going to film it,

737
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: and we're going, this is what we're going to do,

738
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: and we'll do this. It's almost like filming a TikTok.

739
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: You're kind of work it out there in that ten

740
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: minutes you've got and then okay, we'll go and then

741
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: we'll go for a take, and then we're going for

742
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: a close up and that song's done, and like half

743
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: an hour, oh, prefare the next one, and just we

744
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: just keep going through songs like that just so quick

745
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: you learn to learn something and forget it and just

746
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: keep going.

747
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

748
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: You wouldn't kind of sit on it for oh my gosh,

749
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: everything you watch on TV, it's like done there and

750
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: then then planned on the day, So whatever you're thinking

751
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: on the day, it's very freshly creative.

752
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that you guys like choreograph

753
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: on the spot and that it wasn't all completely planned

754
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: out for you already.

755
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: Like there is a bit of planning and you know

756
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the shots are got to do and how going to

757
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: do it. But they're definitely the dancing and the in

758
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the structure and everything that you see, even what we're

759
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: wearing is kind of on the floor.

760
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: What's amazing. Oh wow, I love that. I love that

761
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: you get so much like creativity in the role.

762
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely because creativity. It can be creative, but

763
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of creativity just comes to you. When it

764
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: comes to you. Ideas just appear. You can't overthink something

765
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: too much. I think it's just has to be a natural,

766
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: especially with creativity.

767
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you make of I think

768
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: it was like around twenty twenty three, what are you

769
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: and Jesse, your beautiful wife and soon to be baby mama?

770
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: What do you guys make of you becoming the sexy

771
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: wiggle that now? Like I was watching an American TikTok

772
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: the other day, just out of the blue, like didn't

773
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: even hadn't googled or anything, and it was this whole

774
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: bit about how this guy comes downstairs and the Wiggles

775
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: are on and he's like, yeah, it's on like seven

776
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: different platforms, and I was like, oh my god, that's John.

777
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: It was like totally unrelated to anything Australian, and it

778
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: just it was like, yeah, he comes downstairs and his

779
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: wife is suddenly watching the Wiggles a lot. Does it

780
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: blow your mind? How do you guys feel about it? It

781
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: must be such a weird feeling.

782
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: It's definitely wild. Like I don't know how to feel

783
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: about it. I guess the Internet can turn anything into

784
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: something totally and you just got to kind of embrace it.

785
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: And it is kind of cool. And I think these people,

786
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: a lot of the Americans, especially those videos that come

787
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: out of America, they grew up watching The Wiggles, and

788
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: they know the Wiggles as the original guys right back

789
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: in the nineties early two thousand and then when they

790
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: see and think Wiggle and they see my face and

791
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: they see my tattoos out and they're thinking, well, what's

792
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: going on here? And I think it's intriguing for a

793
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: lot of people. And that's kind of what I make

794
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: of it. It's definitely very interesting, and I guess it

795
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: just reminds everybody and the Wiggles are still here.

796
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're evolving, We're modern.

797
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're evolving, you exactly. And I think it's kind

798
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: of cool. And it's reaching a different demographic a lot

799
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: of them that definitely they've got families and kids of

800
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: their own, or most of them do, or they will want.

801
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: So I think it's a positive thing and it's going

802
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: to spread more good quality entertainment and education out there because,

803
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, the Wiggles, that's what we love. The Wiggles

804
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: for been around for thirty two years, providing good quality entertainment,

805
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we love. And I'm going

806
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: to be, you know, putting my child in front of

807
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: the Whigls.

808
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know, I can't even imagine what

809
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: it must feel like having grown up with the Wiggles.

810
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: Knowing that you're going to have a child who will

811
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: grow up with watching you as a wiggle That's so cool.

812
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: But that kind of makes me think of Obviously, I

813
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: think we in the old school days, we think of

814
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: the Wiggles as just like you know, hot potato like

815
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: songs for children to keep them entertained. But I think

816
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: social media has allowed you all to become characters that

817
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: lend your voices to lots of different things that you

818
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: want to teach the leaders of tomorrow, Like you can

819
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: all be passionate about things other than just music and

820
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: song and dance. And yeah, I think it's beautiful that

821
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: social media allows you to have your personas outside of

822
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: just the Wiggles content. And one of the things that

823
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: I've been reading about is that you've got an amazing

824
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: partnership with Hello Fresh. So Nick and I've been Hello

825
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Fresh customers for many years. It's not only been really convenient,

826
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: very time saving, particularly since having a child, like it's

827
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: you'll appreciate it a million times more. But one of

828
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: the things you've been working on is this crazy problem

829
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: that we have in Australia with waste that we've been producing.

830
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: I think it's like seven point six million tons of

831
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: food waste. You know, that's just one of the messages

832
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: that you've been lending your voice to teaching kids earlier

833
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: about better waste habits. So can you tell us a

834
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: bit about the partnership that you have and all the

835
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, the online resources that you've been making aren't

836
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: just Wiggles but also climate.

837
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Superstars, still helping children. But you know, like me and

838
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Jess have been using heather Fresh for a while and

839
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's something. When we got married, we moved

840
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: in and like most young people go, you know, we

841
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: were going to cook every single night, and we're gonna

842
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: we're going to host dinner parties and do everything. And

843
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: we soon, like not that long after that, we realized

844
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: we started cooking the same things, and we started getting lazy,

845
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: and we started buying lots of ingredients and doing all

846
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: this stuff and stocking our pantry and a lot of

847
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: it did go to waste. And you know, we did

848
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: find HelloFresh not that long after that, and we thought,

849
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is exactly what we wanted. We wanted

850
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: something that was easy to follow, It was healthy, We

851
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: felt like we were cooking it, we were also learning,

852
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and everything was like pre portion. Everything we opened up

853
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: was just like you just use that whole thing. You

854
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: put that whole thing, and you just cut that whole

855
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: banana up, or you cut that whole sweet potato. And

856
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: we thought there was like you know, managing all the

857
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: waste and we weren't throwing away a lot and it

858
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: was just everything went out one bag and we threw

859
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: it out and it was easy and it felt like

860
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: We love HelloFresh And I think as soon as Hellafresh

861
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: reached out recently and said, you know, we're going to

862
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: put together this Climate Superstars camp with Cool Bean's Academy

863
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: and we want to help you know ed you gate

864
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: parents and children about you know, food sustainability, like would

865
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: you be on board? And I was just like, of course,

866
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm working with children, you know, I love Hello Fresh?

867
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Why not? So it just felt natural. It was a fun, little,

868
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: fun little day of filming creating you know, resources that

869
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: parents can use that teach you about how you can

870
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: use leftovers and make art out of different you can

871
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: use tumeric to paint pictures and things like that, and

872
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: freezing your food. So there was a fun day and

873
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole bunch of resource booklet that

874
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: you can download on on the hell of Fresh website.

875
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: So it was something fun to do and something that

876
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, why waste food? My mum's from

877
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: the Philippines when we went over there, and if they

878
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: found out that nearly every Australian was throwing away five

879
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of food every year just because it

880
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: was the leftover or it was just overused, oh my gosh,

881
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't understand. We went over there and we

882
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: shared like biscuits and stuff and then save like at

883
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: one point two five litter coke for special guests and

884
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: we're just you know, pouring it on the floor, just

885
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: no electricity, just sharing that. So I think when you

886
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: put into context in that sense, it's so important in

887
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: a country like Australia, especially where we're we've got abundance

888
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: of food and options and things like that. You just

889
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: it's good to think twice and educate the next generation too, hopefully,

890
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, don't waste food. It's people really value it

891
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: in some countries.

892
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy that that's statistic about the five hundred dollars.

893
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: I was quite surprised, and it's amazing to see that

894
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: you've been able to use your platform for the messages

895
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: that now you know will also be for the future

896
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: of your little one. How are you feeling about being

897
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: a dad? Do you have everything set up?

898
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I can't wait. We've got the nursery set up. Even

899
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: though we're not using the nursery for you'd probably know,

900
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: like you don't use that much a year, it'd be sleeping,

901
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: very sleeping. But you know, we're excited. We're so pumped

902
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: and just as healthy. That's the main thing. And you know,

903
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: it's looking to be a big baby.

904
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Out of that.

905
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: The measurements are getting the seventy percent of you know,

906
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: it's and just as like since she's quite little, but

907
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, she's confident. She can't wait, she almost she

908
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: tells me she can't wait to feel labor. She just

909
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: like wants to just feel it.

910
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, what a weapon.

911
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: No, she says that now she's a strong girl, and

912
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: I think she'll probably manage it. She's got a good

913
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: pain threshold. But you know, you'd probably know. I don't

914
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: know if you did, what your process was and how

915
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: you manage it all. But everybody says it's a day

916
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: to remember, and you know, we're definitely excited and grateful

917
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: to be here and expecting our first little boy.

918
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh it's a little boy.

919
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh congratcha, Yeah, we can't wait.

920
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: Oh, little boys are the best. They're just it will

921
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: absolutely rock your world in the best way possible. It's

922
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: like the hardest and best thing you'll ever do. And

923
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: it's funny. I think you will go back and listen

924
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: to conversations. You'll listen and watch TV and watch snippets

925
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: of you and the person you are before your child,

926
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: and you won't recognize that person once he arrives. It's

927
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: just like you can't imagine a world without them. It's

928
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: so interesting. I can't wait. I'm so excited for you.

929
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: It's really special time.

930
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Yeah. I was saying to Jess this morning,

931
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: we're walking and I was saying, you know, like inn

932
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: lesson to weeks, like we're going to have another person here.

933
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: We've been thinking about it for a long time, you know,

934
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: going to the old pregnancy. We feel like it's in

935
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: the future, but it's actually so close that our life

936
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: is about to change for the better. And just yeah,

937
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: we're so ready. We couldn't be more pumped. But you know,

938
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the sleepless nights and the dad bring

939
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: it on.

940
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, you can't get it. You're the

941
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: thirsty wiggle like you can't get a dad bond mate.

942
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: That's not good for your image.

943
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: I think I think the big Strong John title is

944
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise. I'm meant to stick to, you know,

945
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: keeps you accountable. Yeah exactly.

946
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: Are you taking any time off? Are you taking any leave?

947
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, like all the necessary time required, and that it's

948
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: such a good team at the Whigs. They're just you know,

949
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: they're super supportive. And whatever time I need to take,

950
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: it's it's quiet a time this time of the year.

951
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, we've got a few shows the Cows and

952
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Domain and there's I think our last show is just

953
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: before Christmas time. So whatever time I need to take,

954
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to take it like at least two weeks

955
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: off minimum to be there for just and you know,

956
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: support and be a dad and just be there in

957
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: the first few moments. So I'll definitely take that time

958
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: to you know, really embrace fatherhood parenthood.

959
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh well, congratulations. I'm so excited. I was about to say,

960
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: what's next for you, but I mean, obviously parenthood is

961
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: the next chapter and that kind of takes up a

962
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of energy, mental energy, physical energy.

963
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: And how exciting to have a little one for Christmas.

964
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I know, we can't wait. We've got little stockings already

965
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: with his name embroidered on there, which we won't announce yet,

966
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: but we've ordered them.

967
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: You've chosen. Oh my gosh, ah, that's so special. Well,

968
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: it'll be a magical time ahead for you guys, and

969
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: my love to Jesse as well. And thank you so

970
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: much for the chat and for the joy that I

971
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: know you will bring. I mean, Teddy, as I said,

972
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: isn't quite wiggles obsessed just yet. But the minute it happens,

973
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to text you and just be like any

974
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: thank you for the public service that you guys do

975
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: for parents and families everywhere.

976
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: Sarah when Teddy's old enough, you know it can be

977
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: having played theres with our little son together.

978
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, obviously he can get lots of use

979
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: out of this purple jumper.

980
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, got a good year and a half left to

981
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: grow into that for growth out of it stretch.

982
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh, John, thank you so much, and I'm congratulations.

983
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: No worries, Thank you, Thanks for having me. This is fun.

984
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: Well, Teddy hasn't quite entered his Wiggles era just yet,

985
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there will be so much Wiggles action

986
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: going on in our household before we even know it.

987
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: He looked so cute in his little purple suit. I

988
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys saw it on Socials, but

989
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: we sent John a little photo and oh my goodness,

990
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: it was so cute. It's been such a wild but

991
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: wonderful year, and John has so much to look forward

992
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: to when he becomes a parent imminently at any moment. Now,

993
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: what an amazing way to finish off a fabulous year.

994
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: It's been such a rollercoaster. We slowed down when Teddie

995
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: was born. We've now built up to some wonderful momentum.

996
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: It's so nice to be back, and I hope you

997
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: guys have enjoyed some of the fabulous guests we've had

998
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks. If you do want

999
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: to follow along more of what John's doing, if you

1000
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: don't already, I'm sure many of you already do. His

1001
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Wiggles page is at John Underscore Wiggle. His personal page

1002
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: is at John Pierce, or of course you can follow

1003
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: the Wiggles. There's also the Wiggle Talk podcast. And we

1004
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: did also cover the incredible service that is HelloFresh that

1005
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: is just so game changing when you're time for and

1006
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: tired but still want to eat really well and you know,

1007
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: really reduce your wastage when you're preparing food at home.

1008
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: So I'll include the link to that as well in

1009
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: the show notes. In the meantime, Oh my gosh, I

1010
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: can't believe the next time that we're back it will

1011
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: be twenty twenty five. That sounds so crazy and foreign

1012
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: and exciting and amazing. At some point we will do

1013
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: a year rap or a news Resolutions episode with the

1014
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: big news that came from and I'm not sure when

1015
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: that will be, but we will get it in your

1016
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: ears eventually. We're taking a two week break just to

1017
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: give your ears a little rest and recoup, spend some

1018
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: time with the family, enjoy the festive season. I hope

1019
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: you guys have a wonderful festive season and New Year,

1020
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: no matter how you choose to spend it or what

1021
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: you choose to celebrate. And I hope that over the

1022
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: next couple of weeks you are seizing your yay we

1023
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: will be back next year.

1024
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Speaker 1: St.