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Speaker 1: On Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty a body. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily Podcast for Your Face.

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Speaker 1: I am Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Marie Fast, I'm Kelly mccaren and this is in her Bag.

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Speaker 3: And today we are discussing something that's very close to

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Speaker 3: the hearts and skin of many of our ubi's, and

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Speaker 3: that is skincare and makeup for over.

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Speaker 2: Forties fifty plus, sixty plus eighty plus at this suits everyone.

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Speaker 1: If you're worried about aging, this episode is for you.

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Speaker 1: I had to find the liner in my bag.

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Speaker 2: What's all right?

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Speaker 1: So let's not beat around the bush.

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Speaker 3: There's this shift in your skin's elasticity and collagen levels

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Speaker 3: which many of us start noticing from thirty plus breach.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I like to look at photos of myself when

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Speaker 3: I was he ang and just whisper to younger me

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Speaker 3: that I'm an ungrateful mule.

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Speaker 1: You can't imagine a time when your.

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Speaker 3: Skin isn't simply oozing collagen and elasticity, and I know

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people will be listening and watching

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Speaker 3: and going, yeah, I'm still so young and I'm aware,

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Speaker 3: but I have.

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Speaker 2: Gels exactly, And look, I put it out there on

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Speaker 2: my socials. I wanted to know, are your concerns. So

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Speaker 2: many people were like, forty plus skin care, fifty plus

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Speaker 2: skin care, brightening on the skin, skin texture, anti aging,

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Speaker 2: it's all about their skin changing, and they didn't know

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Speaker 2: what to do. So I was like, man, we need

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Speaker 2: to do an episode just on this because it's such

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Speaker 2: a big topic.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. But Analie's has asked, Hey, there, this is a

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Speaker 1: question for you, beauty.

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Speaker 4: I'm in my forties and I'm really struggling with dark

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Speaker 4: circles and eyebags.

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Speaker 5: I've tried all the ie creams, but.

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Speaker 4: They just don't seem to do the trick. Any tips

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Speaker 4: for targeting those, especially for the morning when I look

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Speaker 4: absolutely exhausted, it would be great.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, look, dark circles is just too Yeah, there's too

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Speaker 2: many factors with dark circles. It could be dehydration, which

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Speaker 2: then yes, I creams and all that kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: will work, But it could be genetic. It could be

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Speaker 2: pigmentation on your actual skin. So forget about dark circles

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Speaker 2: for now. Use yourself a concealer in that regard, and

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Speaker 2: keep onto your hydration. Right, There's only so much you

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Speaker 2: could do puffiness unless it's like.

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Speaker 1: A fatty tissue build up.

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Speaker 2: I have a bit of advice that was given to

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Speaker 2: me by my mom and I absolutely love this. She

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Speaker 2: does it for her like eyes and face. It's a

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Speaker 2: bit of both. It's this she bought me there, yes, right,

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Speaker 2: do you want to know what it does?

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Speaker 1: It makes the ice like a rose your face every morning,

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Speaker 1: So this is the trick.

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Speaker 2: My mom doesn't just use ice, she uses rice water.

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Speaker 2: So she boils the rice I've got the giggles now, right,

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Speaker 2: uses the rice water and freezes the rice water into

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Speaker 2: this she massages around her face underneath her eyes. The

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Speaker 2: benefits of rice water it's rich in antioxidants, so it's

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Speaker 2: really good for anti aging rice water. It is also

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Speaker 2: really good in regards to brightening the skin because it's

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Speaker 2: got vitamins B and E, so the minerals help to

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Speaker 2: brighten the skin. Again, the ice, of course, is going

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Speaker 2: to help with the puffing your face in the morning.

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Speaker 2: And if you've got puffiness around the eyes, so there's

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Speaker 2: actually something to it. My mum was doing it on

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Speaker 2: you could see it brightening, and it actually could. It

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Speaker 3: It's so good if you do tend to store water

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Speaker 2: It's a great practice. Yes, you don't have to use

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Speaker 3: You could also just use an ice cube and just

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Speaker 2: You can so my mum used to do that with

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Speaker 3: Makeup wise, you can use color correctors. Something peach or

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Speaker 3: orange tones will really neutralize those dark circles. Ye, so

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Speaker 3: depending on your skin tone, and then you build up

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Speaker 3: with a good underreg conciller. We've got some great options

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Speaker 3: I didn't bang on about it enough last year, the

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Speaker 3: smash box becker under a brightening correcter is literally magic.

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Speaker 3: And anyone that had it and then thought it didn't

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Speaker 2: I remember you're talking about it, but you've barely used

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's honestly amazing, but you need a tiny little amount.

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Speaker 3: But after the break, we are going to deep dive

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Speaker 3: into the question we're asked, again and again and again.

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Speaker 1: How do you do it? Come on, I'll show you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's talk about more mature skin concerns and

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Speaker 3: skincare options that really work for over forties. We've got

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Speaker 3: a big one here, non invasive alternatives to needles aka

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Speaker 1: Prudence has asked.

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Speaker 5: I'm sixty five and I've noticed my skin just isn't

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Speaker 5: as smooth as it used to be. I do moisturize

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Speaker 5: Which really scares me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you see, going down a filer root to smooth

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Speaker 2: your skin out, You're going to damage your skin because

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Speaker 2: filler is not going to smooth your skin in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: unless you're like got dimpling, like scarring, and they're using

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Speaker 2: oisturizer that's not suiting you. There's a few factors here.

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Speaker 2: bioexcel toning peel. So this is a Korean brand, so

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Speaker 2: it's not overly strong, and it's something that helps to

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Speaker 2: exfoliator gently removes excess build up of dead skin cells.

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Speaker 2: It gives your really lovely, brightened, glowy skin over time.

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you don't get oil. I would recommend you

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Speaker 2: I think twice a week personally is enough for me.

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Speaker 2: But if you've got really oily skin, then that is

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Speaker 2: James Cosmetics hydrating and fur mask, so I find this

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Speaker 2: most really good. It's forty nine dollars. You do need

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Speaker 2: and smooths my skin. It's a sheet mask. They come

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Speaker 2: like this. It's a thick, textured sheet mask. It's not

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Speaker 2: like a flimsy one. Genuinely love the way it feels

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Speaker 2: plump and bright and the next day you can see

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Speaker 2: you pair those two together, it's a really nice treatment

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Speaker 2: You know that as well as you're like syring, you

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Speaker 2: need to get your anti aging serums and retinols and

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Speaker 2: stuff are really good as well. But if you need

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Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that introducing a retinol into

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Speaker 3: I answered a question from someone who'd never used a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you start rent or you can't use it

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Speaker 2: You don't just bang like yeah, start once a week,

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Speaker 2: burn your eyes. That's one way to burn your face. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: they have to be like three days apart or something

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Speaker 3: I love those wrinkle shrinkles eye patches so much.

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Speaker 1: They are so good.

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Speaker 2: These are the self dissolving micro needle packs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so good. So it works so well.

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Speaker 2: Again, because these are going into the skin like a

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Speaker 1: You don't notice that they're going into the skin. No,

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Speaker 2: No, So individual packets, you put them on the areas

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Speaker 2: the mouth, you can use them under the eyes and yeah.

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Speaker 3: Those skin is way plumper after using them. However, they're

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Speaker 3: great for events because they're not cheap and they sort

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you really love them, it's worth the investment.

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Speaker 3: Don't realize you could buy it like that. That's really

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Speaker 3: good to know because I love those ones. If you're

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Speaker 3: looking to invest in treatments that aren't filler, like, I

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Speaker 3: agree with what Sam Mauri said about black filler wouldn't

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Speaker 3: do anything good anyway. There are two that I would

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Speaker 3: really recommend for you RF micro needling, So that's radiofrequency

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Speaker 3: micro needling, So that's when tiny little needles create micro

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Speaker 3: injuries which stimulate collagen and elastin production.

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Speaker 1: Whether radio frequency then sort.

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Speaker 3: Of shoots heat into that pore that the needle's in

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Speaker 3: to stimulate the collagen deep into the skin. This is

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Speaker 3: honestly one of the best things people can do for

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Speaker 3: their skin. However, like with anything, you sort of need

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Speaker 1: You know, different types of facials. Was it the PRP

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Speaker 3: Oh? Gross, gross, grossaut it makes you feel very ill.

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Speaker 3: After the break, we are going to go shopping for

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Speaker 1: Put it on buy now, pay later, Yes, in the bag,

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Speaker 2: All right, we've covered some great anti Asian skin care.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk make up. What would you add to

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Speaker 1: I actually do have a tip.

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Speaker 1: Because it's not like products.

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Speaker 2: I did bring my personal brushes because as we were saying,

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Speaker 3: Because we don't have the elastin in college when we

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Speaker 1: Oh, we thought we were ugly, and it's like, come

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Speaker 2: And now I'm like, what I do have a recommendation

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Speaker 3: Oh, and I bet it's beautiful. Their age range is

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Speaker 2: This concealer brush, by real techniques is really fluffy, so

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Speaker 2: We're trying to build you up. We're trying to build

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Speaker 1: We're trying to build up your confidence.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, like I know, it doesn't matter. We don't

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Speaker 2: Ah dear o, lordy lord, you still got it. You.

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Speaker 2: Beat is produced by Cassie Merritt, with audio production by

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Speaker 2: Lou Hill. Bye hi everyone,