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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. Recently a South Australian newspaper claim that a

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Speaker 1: survey proves that they are superior at parenting compared to

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Speaker 1: all the other states and territories across the nation. How

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Speaker 1: can essay make such a bold statement. Well, apparently it's

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Speaker 1: all about how often they yell next, which Ozzie state

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Speaker 1: or territory is the best at parenting? We get all

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Speaker 1: state of origin with raising our kids. Which state or

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Speaker 1: territory here in Australia does parenting the best? Our mates

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Speaker 1: over at Mumma MEA's parenting podcast This Glorious Mess. Annals

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Speaker 1: and Stacy have run through the pros and cons and

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Speaker 1: they think they've nailed it.

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Speaker 3: Tasmania.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think that you should really award a

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Speaker 4: state that has a vaginal region being a map of Tazzy, which.

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Speaker 3: Could be looked at like pubes.

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Speaker 4: That's probably not great for parenting. But you know what

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Speaker 4: is great for parenting? Space greenery, not having to queue

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Speaker 4: in traffic, and they have all of those things.

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Speaker 2: Moving on Victoria.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's too cold.

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Speaker 4: It is cold. And you know what, Melbournians are so cool.

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Speaker 4: They win most Livable City. They don't need to be

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Speaker 4: the best parents as well.

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Speaker 3: No, they've got enough accolades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, New South Wales where we are.

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Speaker 3: That's where we are, so I mean we should probably says.

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Speaker 4: But no, no traffic, traffic, noise, pollution expensive and also

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Speaker 4: Sydney people and we can say this because we live

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Speaker 4: here are quite smug and the smugness would be it's

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Speaker 4: like intergenerational trauma. It gets passed down. So for that smugness,

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Speaker 4: you don't get to win. We don't get to win

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Speaker 4: because we also are here. It's in New South Wales,

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Speaker 2: Okay, South Australia it's.

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Speaker 3: Lovely but it's a non event.

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Speaker 4: But do you know what, Everyone who goes there raves

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Speaker 4: about it, and so I think South Australia is probably

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Speaker 4: the underdog. Is much pressure, yeah, and there is a

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Speaker 4: lot of wine, yeah, which is good for parents of winery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Next on act I forgot about it? Is that do

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Speaker 4: we say canber or a city. I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: All I know is it's very political and indy.

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Speaker 4: And when you're really focused on politics and there's too

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Speaker 4: much wind, how could you focus on children and parenting.

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Speaker 4: So for that there is great food and wine there

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Speaker 4: which you need to be your parent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, escape, but.

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Speaker 4: We did kind of forget about it and it's political

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Speaker 4: moving right along.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too many other priority.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Queensland, now this is a top contender. I meet

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Speaker 4: so many friends who've moved there and are just so

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Speaker 4: happy and glorious, and they live near a body of water,

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Speaker 4: and I just think you couldn't be that cranky of

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to take points off for one of our

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Speaker 4: work colleagues. She grew up in Queensland. She went to

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Speaker 4: a regional school and they didn't wear shoes, and she

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Speaker 4: health and safety issues for glass.

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Speaker 2: I kind of like it.

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Speaker 4: It's free range and now your winner. We're divided on

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Speaker 4: who we think are the best we are what state

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Speaker 3: Well, I was raised in Wa and it's quieter.

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Speaker 2: Pace of life.

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Speaker 4: It's very much it's still got that quintessential like seventy

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Speaker 4: there's very good access to wineries, which we know for

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Speaker 3: Okay, you don't get that anywhere else.

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Speaker 4: So for that, for having playgrounds at wineries to entertain

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Speaker 4: my winner. Well, I'm about to trump you, okay, because

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Speaker 4: them to do what you say yes. And in Northern

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Speaker 1: The recent article for Adelaide's newspaper, The Advertiser, claimed that

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Speaker 1: Why because they slightly yell less at their kids. How

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Speaker 1: from a nationwide survey conducted by Triple P the Positive

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Speaker 1: Parenting Program. They asked a diverse group of eighty three

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Speaker 1: Victoria Survey, which provided valuable insights into the experiences of parents.

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Speaker 1: Now this research has informed policy decisions and support services,

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Speaker 1: giving Victorian parents a leg up when it comes to

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Speaker 1: program has been lauded for its comprehensive approach to early

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Speaker 1: The state government has invested heavily in education, with a

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Speaker 1: Also prides itself on its work life balance, arguing that

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Speaker 1: life compared to Sydney or Melbourne, Tasmania, though smaller, claims

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Speaker 1: government points to lower living costs and housing prices as

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Speaker 1: does the data tellers Professor Matt Sanders is the founder

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Speaker 1: of Queensland. Matt, one of the things that your survey

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Speaker 5: It's interesting when you think about the range of you know,

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Speaker 5: And parents are concerned about it, and I suppose the

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Speaker 5: all of the states and territories throughout the country, although

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Speaker 1: So could that stress be that they are worried about

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Speaker 5: It could be both of those, you know, and individual

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Speaker 5: reducing the amount of time they have available to their families.

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Speaker 5: That can be associated with parents being worried about the

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, when you've got parents who've literally

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Speaker 5: that's a whole other layer of social disadvantage that's impacting

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Speaker 5: just really highlight here is that this is all occurring

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Speaker 5: in the context of what had occurred in the previous

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Speaker 5: few years with COVID and shutdowns and impacts on kids'

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Speaker 5: that meant it's been a pretty tough time for families

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Speaker 1: Well, something that I also didn't consider that came out

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Speaker 1: consistent across the States, although slightly high in WA. Just

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Speaker 1: how important is that time and effort spent on taking

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Speaker 5: Look, one of the most fundamental principles of positive parenting

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Speaker 5: overwhelmed with stress, you're lonely, you're isolated, you're in a

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Speaker 5: it's so much more difficult to be consistent and patient

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Speaker 5: and responsive to your children's needs. So, you know, the

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Speaker 5: most fundamental thing really in terms of being able and

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Speaker 5: would like to is to make sure you are looking

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Speaker 5: after yourself. And that's so much easier said than done.

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Speaker 5: And I suppose the thing that it highlights is that

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Speaker 5: things that they're experiencing, what do they have any control over?

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Speaker 5: And a lot of times there are things that you

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Speaker 5: don't have immediate control over, for example, if you've lost

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Speaker 5: your job or there's been a significant impact on family income.

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Speaker 5: But you are able to influence things like the way

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Speaker 5: in which you interpret the events that are occurring in

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Speaker 5: that you're a total failure because of the events that

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Speaker 5: actually responsible and to blame for everything that's occurring. Now,

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Speaker 5: if you beat up on yourself in that way, then

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Speaker 1: The fact is, while all states and territories have their

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Speaker 1: state for parenting, and that includes USA, even if you

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Speaker 1: are a little less shouting.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can base a conclusion about the

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Speaker 5: basis of a single item relating to yelling or raising

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Speaker 5: your voice at children. But on the other hand, it's

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Speaker 5: interesting that well over forty percent of parents in all

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Speaker 5: states and territories are reporting that this is a concern,

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Speaker 5: you think about parents struggling with their kids and getting

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Speaker 5: in conflict, there's often an increase in yelling and shouting.

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Speaker 5: One of the goals of positive parenting programs is actually

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Speaker 5: to assist parents learn to less yelling and shouting, to

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Speaker 5: escalation often means that you are also avoiding going to

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Speaker 5: the next step, which sometimes can involve threatening and indeed

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Speaker 5: even hitting kids. So the important point that I'd highlight

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Speaker 5: here is that stat doesn't say anything about the quality

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Speaker 5: of parenting and South Australia relative the rest of the country,

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Speaker 5: but it is highlighting the fact that yelling and shouting

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Speaker 5: at kids is an indicator of parents at times being

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Speaker 5: under stressed, kids being difficult to handle, and the value

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Speaker 5: for handling the times where the kids are really testing us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 1: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy

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Speaker 1: and our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by

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Speaker 1: Tom Line