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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brudnick, and

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Speaker 3: on the show today, we are taking you behind the

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Speaker 3: scenes of an in conversation with Amy Poehler. We went

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Speaker 3: and sorry yesterday. We have so much to talk about,

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Speaker 3: as well as a new form of NEPO. Baby Northwest

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Speaker 3: so much to say about her.

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Speaker 2: But first, but first, I haven't said these words in

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Speaker 2: a long time. A new South Park episode is making headlines.

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Speaker 2: I come of the last time I watched South Park.

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Speaker 2: I mean has been running since nineteen ninety seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like all new episodes. My whole life.

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Speaker 3: Has been running for twenty eight years.

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Speaker 2: You don't know life before South Park, so I'm not

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Speaker 2: caught up on the latest story. I mean, it's always

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Speaker 2: about a bunch of kids in Colorado and all the

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Speaker 2: like current events storylines in a very comedic satirical way.

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Speaker 2: And one way they always do that is bringing celebrities

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Speaker 2: it's Lizo in a new episode called the End of Obesity.

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Speaker 2: And in this episode, Lizo's music is prescribed as an

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Speaker 2: alternative to expensive weight loss drugs like ozmbic or just

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Speaker 2: like any kind of weight loss drugs on the market

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Speaker 1: Guys, my worst fear has been actualized. I've been referenced

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Speaker 4: Don't you know, Sheila. Now there's a whole new obesity

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Speaker 4: drug for those of us who can't afford of zempic

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Speaker 4: and Manjaro. I've controlled all my cravings to be thinner

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Speaker 4: with Lizo. I've lowered my standard and my expectations.

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Speaker 3: In case studies, seventy percent of patients on liz Wo

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Speaker 4: I don't give two shits.

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Speaker 3: Are you living with concerns of obesity.

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Speaker 4: Ask about the power of not giving a fuck with Lizzo.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, damn, I'm really that bitch. I'm

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Speaker 1: really that bitch. I really showed the world how to

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Speaker 3: It's so wild that she decided to live react to

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Speaker 2: No, it's not at all. And they kind of make

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Speaker 2: So and I think these episodes always get so much

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Speaker 3: You can't give them a platform because that will just

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Speaker 3: Last night, Laura and I spent some time together. We

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Speaker 3: Package deal. When we got there, all I expected, which

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Speaker 2: I love that that's your takeaway from the night is

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Speaker 3: Biggest shock of my life, because I'm like, we got

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Speaker 2: I was like a mum pulling away my child. But

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I was like, it's like when you

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Speaker 3: It's also you can also pick out the Americans from

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Speaker 2: Well that's the funny thing because once we had our

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Speaker 2: and she was saying, She's like, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Ah, but I so agree. I'm a big fan of comedy.

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Speaker 2: So we won't recap the entire thing, although like, just

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Speaker 2: So, I know it's hard to say, but what was

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I loved how she said comedy doesn't have to

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