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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Tina Burke.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Free Player, executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview

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Speaker 2: And you might have noticed that neither of us are

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Speaker 1: No we are not.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not. But Laura is currently in New York

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Speaker 2: on an incredible work trip that you guys are going

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Speaker 2: to be hearing all about, and you'll be seeing it

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Speaker 2: all across our socials, so keep an eye out there.

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Speaker 2: But while she's gone, brit and I am gonna fill

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Speaker 2: in and see what we can do in those fabulous

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Speaker 2: shoes she wears. Today we are talking about a Hollywood

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Speaker 2: it boy who is currently coming under fire for some

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Speaker 2: let's say, interesting comments. And we're also diving into one

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Speaker 2: of the most talked about pop culture moments of the

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Speaker 2: year so far, Harry Styles album release, which is why

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Speaker 2: you're here, the ultimate expert on an expert.

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Speaker 1: I proclaimed last week Harry week, but I'm saying it again.

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Speaker 2: Let's just call it Harry Mon Harry month. And we're

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Speaker 2: sure that you guys have spent the weekend digesting the

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Speaker 2: new album. We certainly have, and we've got some very

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Speaker 2: serious thoughts to share that are worthy of a deep dive.

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Speaker 2: But first we're going to get into the race towards

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Speaker 2: the ninety eighth Academy Awards. Yes, the Oscars are just

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Speaker 2: one week away, and this year the controversies are feeling

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Speaker 2: like a little bit different. So obviously the final weeks

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Speaker 2: of Oscars voting is quite a big moment in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: and this year, like the Oscars are a little bit later,

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Speaker 2: they're kind of mid March, so it's really dragging on

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Speaker 1: They are I, you know, normally like we'd be we'd

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Speaker 1: be doing Oscars today. It feels like this would have

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Speaker 1: been Oscars.

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Speaker 2: Wait, this should have been Oscar to day. Wouldn't we

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Speaker 2: have had so much fun talking about it? But no,

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Speaker 2: it's next week.

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Speaker 1: And yes, so it is a bit later this year

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Speaker 1: for who knows what race who knows?

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Speaker 2: And the voting closed on Thursday evening last week, which

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Speaker 2: was like Friday our time, so the voting has only

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Speaker 2: just closed off. And this year the Oscar ballot is

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Speaker 2: actually synced to like the Academy screening Room because one

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Speaker 2: of the things that happens every year with Oscar's voting

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Speaker 2: is that it comes out of the bunch of people didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so weird, wouldn't you think exactly, It's not

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Speaker 1: a heavy lift as far as a job is concerned.

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Speaker 1: Please watch the movie that you are evaluating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this year it's actually like a rule, but

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Speaker 2: until they watch the movies, it's like grade out on

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Speaker 2: seen it. There are eleven thousand members and ten thousand

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Speaker 2: hundred of those other actors. But that's actually like the

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Speaker 2: of them have actually spoken to Variety anonymously about who

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Speaker 2: they've voted for, and it's very interesting. Someone voted for

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Speaker 2: Brad Pitt's Formula one to win Best Picture.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, I wouldn't have been eligible to vote for

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Speaker 2: And who should nobody in someone actually from that movie,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of Sinners has been seen as like a

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Speaker 1: But it is the biggest indicator that we have as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Oscar's voting is still open for several

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Speaker 2: he had dimples, when he was another, he had no dimples.

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Speaker 2: He literally controlled his facial dimples to play two different men.

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Speaker 1: That is the worst face because I tried to have

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how you do it. Put he wore

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Speaker 2: good viral press for Michael B. Jordan this week. Do

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Speaker 1: My money is on him actually, to be honest, I

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Speaker 2: I think so, and I'm very hopeful. And the other

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Speaker 1: What shocking thing did Jesse Buckley do?

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Speaker 2: She said that she once hated a cat.

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Speaker 1: Oh, a cat, a literal cat, like a literal.

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Speaker 2: Cat, no, which a lot of people, which a lot

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Speaker 2: a cancellable opinion, I guess, But no, she is being

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Speaker 2: and The Guardian wrote an article headlined kitty karma Jesse

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Speaker 2: Buckley tries to claw back approval from raging cat lovers. Oh,

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Speaker 2: someone had a lot of fun. I didn't get to

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Speaker 2: She said when she started dating her now partner, his

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Speaker 2: she said, quote, it's me all the cats, but I won.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but it sounds like the cat hated her. She

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Speaker 2: And then instead she's getting canceled for her hating cats.

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Speaker 2: And she had to go on The Tonight Show with

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it will.

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Speaker 2: But she had to go and Jimmy Fallon and she said,

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Speaker 2: I need to clarify something for all cat lovers in

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Speaker 1: Well, the poor thing probably not as sick as she

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Speaker 2: She woke up with our cat, poo want a pillow.

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Speaker 1: You don't hate cats. They're also, as we said, old

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Speaker 2: She'll be fine, They'll be perfectly fine. So while that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're usually alive. We usually actually think that. That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who do we like in Hollywood? And someone that

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Speaker 2: Yes, So last week our favorite going timoth Ay Slash

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it to start with. Yeah, love when

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Speaker 1: that's different. And he was serving that up.

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Speaker 2: He was, and he kind of said, like the whole

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Speaker 1: And I think it was kind of like a hard sell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah film Ping Pong Weavy, Yeah, Like why would I care?

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Speaker 2: that you wanted to be like someone who now was

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00:19:22,634 --> 00:19:25,474
Speaker 2: like outwardly to try hard and was outwardly sort of

437
00:19:25,674 --> 00:19:28,474
Speaker 2: a bit egotistical. A lot of the Complete Unknown Press

438
00:19:28,514 --> 00:19:32,313
Speaker 2: still had that like classic Timothy shyness about it and

439
00:19:32,354 --> 00:19:35,154
Speaker 2: still like oh oh my, and the like I'm the

440
00:19:35,234 --> 00:19:37,554
Speaker 2: upper and I'm just trying. And then when he won

441
00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:39,594
Speaker 2: the Actor Award for that performance that was with the

442
00:19:39,634 --> 00:19:42,314
Speaker 2: one of the Great speech, and then it transitioned and

443
00:19:42,714 --> 00:19:45,514
Speaker 2: in his Marty Supreme Press, he's been very much doing

444
00:19:45,594 --> 00:19:48,114
Speaker 2: interviews and soundbites where he's like, no, I'm giving you

445
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:50,714
Speaker 2: top tier work, I'm the best, I'm incredible, and it's

446
00:19:50,714 --> 00:19:52,434
Speaker 2: a jokey thing to do with the movie. And he

447
00:19:52,714 --> 00:19:54,714
Speaker 2: himself has said that he's like, I am embodying the

448
00:19:54,834 --> 00:19:57,914
Speaker 2: character of Marty. I am intentionally doing this to be

449
00:19:57,954 --> 00:19:59,754
Speaker 2: a bit off putting and to get like buns in

450
00:19:59,874 --> 00:20:02,914
Speaker 2: seats in the theater. But I think that this has

451
00:20:02,954 --> 00:20:06,074
Speaker 2: now extended to a place where he's not thinking through

452
00:20:06,114 --> 00:20:09,073
Speaker 2: what he's saying and it coming out quite brash, and

453
00:20:09,114 --> 00:20:11,354
Speaker 2: that is what has upset people, because you can't just

454
00:20:11,514 --> 00:20:16,073
Speaker 2: call a very important artistic art form dying. No, just

455
00:20:16,074 --> 00:20:17,674
Speaker 2: because you're trying to make a point that you know

456
00:20:17,794 --> 00:20:21,234
Speaker 2: you love movies, Those like those aren't the same thing, Timothy,

457
00:20:21,474 --> 00:20:23,154
Speaker 2: And I think what has upset a lot of people.

458
00:20:23,234 --> 00:20:26,114
Speaker 2: Is like his actual personal history, like he grew up

459
00:20:26,114 --> 00:20:29,034
Speaker 2: backstage at the New York City Ballet His grandmother, his mother,

460
00:20:29,154 --> 00:20:32,714
Speaker 2: and his sister all danced on the Marti Supreme Presso tool.

461
00:20:32,754 --> 00:20:34,994
Speaker 2: He said, I grew up dreaming big backstage at the

462
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,513
Speaker 2: Choch Theater in New York. And when he was asked,

463
00:20:37,554 --> 00:20:39,954
Speaker 2: he was like, that helped me grow as an artist.

464
00:20:39,994 --> 00:20:43,394
Speaker 2: And he called himself a ven diagram of the best

465
00:20:43,434 --> 00:20:46,714
Speaker 2: cultural influences of the twentieth and twenty first century as

466
00:20:46,754 --> 00:20:49,114
Speaker 2: a result of having grown up around people in the

467
00:20:49,154 --> 00:20:51,714
Speaker 2: New York City in ballet. So he's used the.

468
00:20:51,714 --> 00:20:55,834
Speaker 1: Kind of a vile thing to say, I'm honest, I

469
00:20:55,874 --> 00:20:58,394
Speaker 1: didn't hear that I need to do a dive street.

470
00:20:59,074 --> 00:21:00,714
Speaker 2: But this was and this was before the blow up

471
00:21:00,714 --> 00:21:03,513
Speaker 2: of the matter interview. But I think he himself was like,

472
00:21:03,554 --> 00:21:06,034
Speaker 2: look at how ballets influenced me, and yeah, So he

473
00:21:06,074 --> 00:21:08,074
Speaker 2: knows his personal history and sees it as being like,

474
00:21:08,154 --> 00:21:10,154
Speaker 2: I was informed by people who love the ballet, and

475
00:21:10,154 --> 00:21:12,394
Speaker 2: that's made me a great artist. So I can flippantly

476
00:21:12,434 --> 00:21:15,114
Speaker 2: say that ballet is a dying art form because I

477
00:21:15,154 --> 00:21:18,874
Speaker 2: know firsthand from watching people struggle that maybe it's not

478
00:21:18,914 --> 00:21:21,033
Speaker 2: as popular as it once was. But that's not what

479
00:21:21,074 --> 00:21:22,634
Speaker 2: you said in that interview, and that's not what you

480
00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:25,474
Speaker 2: said in the sound bites coming across Wells gas lit es.

481
00:21:25,554 --> 00:21:28,394
Speaker 1: He sold himself originally when he was the up and

482
00:21:28,434 --> 00:21:33,234
Speaker 1: comer as this like cultured internet boyfriend. He was divine.

483
00:21:33,314 --> 00:21:36,634
Speaker 1: He had this like hilarious social media footprint. Oh it

484
00:21:36,674 --> 00:21:38,714
Speaker 1: was really charming and really funny, and I loved it

485
00:21:38,994 --> 00:21:41,594
Speaker 1: and just absolutely lapped it up. And now he's become

486
00:21:42,434 --> 00:21:43,034
Speaker 1: a film bro.

487
00:21:43,634 --> 00:21:47,154
Speaker 2: I do think so, Like his internet presence is crazy,

488
00:21:47,314 --> 00:21:50,994
Speaker 2: Like his digital footprint is classic, like gen Z. I

489
00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:53,994
Speaker 2: guess younger millennials probably on that sillennial cast like Sabrina.

490
00:21:54,074 --> 00:21:58,154
Speaker 2: Like Sabrina also has the best Connor story. Now he'd

491
00:21:58,194 --> 00:21:59,994
Speaker 2: a rivalry as well, Like we see this with people

492
00:22:00,034 --> 00:22:02,354
Speaker 2: who had that early online presence because they can't like

493
00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:04,554
Speaker 2: once they get famous, people just find it.

494
00:22:04,914 --> 00:22:07,994
Speaker 1: Timper were all warned about they taught us.

495
00:22:08,594 --> 00:22:10,474
Speaker 2: Although they say that, and I cannot find my old

496
00:22:10,474 --> 00:22:13,114
Speaker 2: beboat anyway. I tried to delete it once. I was like,

497
00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:14,273
Speaker 2: I don't even know how you get into.

498
00:22:14,154 --> 00:22:16,114
Speaker 1: You know what, Tina, You need to get more famous

499
00:22:16,234 --> 00:22:17,554
Speaker 1: then it will be found so true.

500
00:22:17,554 --> 00:22:20,354
Speaker 2: No, that scares me way too much. But something about

501
00:22:20,354 --> 00:22:22,313
Speaker 2: that is, like, yeah, he had this Internet presence, and

502
00:22:22,354 --> 00:22:24,874
Speaker 2: he was known for like his Miss Lawton rap like,

503
00:22:24,914 --> 00:22:27,474
Speaker 2: which was a rap he did for like a school assignment,

504
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:30,754
Speaker 2: and his like dancers on stage to Soldier Boy, and

505
00:22:30,794 --> 00:22:32,634
Speaker 2: like his dances at home with his friends. So he

506
00:22:32,714 --> 00:22:35,554
Speaker 2: did always have this very like you know, how now

507
00:22:35,674 --> 00:22:37,914
Speaker 2: he's doing like a rap music video or he's doing

508
00:22:37,914 --> 00:22:40,874
Speaker 2: a basketball podcast. Those elements of his personality were always

509
00:22:40,874 --> 00:22:43,594
Speaker 2: shining through from when he was younger. But he matched

510
00:22:43,634 --> 00:22:48,874
Speaker 2: this crazy energy with an artistic, sensitive, like soulful young

511
00:22:48,914 --> 00:22:51,434
Speaker 2: actor who was just like really excited to be in

512
00:22:51,514 --> 00:22:53,634
Speaker 2: like these women led projects and all of that. So

513
00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:56,234
Speaker 2: it worked together quite well when you pair those parts

514
00:22:56,234 --> 00:22:58,994
Speaker 2: of his personality that are a bit more like fun

515
00:22:59,034 --> 00:23:03,274
Speaker 2: and frat browie and like still inside of the Nicks, yes, yeah,

516
00:23:03,314 --> 00:23:05,714
Speaker 2: and like you know, just joking about shit with the boys.

517
00:23:05,794 --> 00:23:08,513
Speaker 2: Like part of his Matthew interview was love sending Safti's

518
00:23:08,514 --> 00:23:11,234
Speaker 2: memes and it's like okay, and Laura and I was saying,

519
00:23:11,274 --> 00:23:12,914
Speaker 2: like you could send greata go Wiger meme too, I'm

520
00:23:12,914 --> 00:23:15,234
Speaker 2: sure she'd love it. She probably has better memes. But

521
00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:18,674
Speaker 2: you compare that part of his personality with now like

522
00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:23,434
Speaker 2: dissing predominantly females, like seen as art forms that women enjoy.

523
00:23:23,714 --> 00:23:25,553
Speaker 2: Of course, you're going to alienate a big part of

524
00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:28,513
Speaker 2: your fan base. People aren't gonna like it. Yes, and like,

525
00:23:29,154 --> 00:23:31,834
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe I'm gonna go see an opera. Now,

526
00:23:31,834 --> 00:23:33,394
Speaker 2: off the back of this, here's what I was gonna say.

527
00:23:33,434 --> 00:23:35,274
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the one thing that I think that's

528
00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:39,714
Speaker 1: come out really really well from this is that everyone's

529
00:23:39,794 --> 00:23:44,514
Speaker 1: timelines are filled with incredible, incredible posts from the ballets

530
00:23:44,554 --> 00:23:47,194
Speaker 1: and the operas around the world. Yeah, and Tina, if

531
00:23:47,194 --> 00:23:48,594
Speaker 1: you want to go to the opera with me, you

532
00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:50,234
Speaker 1: can come anytime.

533
00:23:50,394 --> 00:23:51,634
Speaker 2: I take all me up.

534
00:23:51,714 --> 00:23:53,594
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd love to the opera with you or the

535
00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:55,833
Speaker 1: ballet or both. We could do a double feature.

536
00:23:59,434 --> 00:24:01,914
Speaker 2: So something that happened on Friday which was very thrilling

537
00:24:02,034 --> 00:24:04,874
Speaker 2: for me and I guess you but you'd already heard

538
00:24:04,874 --> 00:24:07,874
Speaker 2: it is Harry styles fourth studio album as a solo

539
00:24:07,994 --> 00:24:12,074
Speaker 2: artists release, which is Kiss All the Time Disco Occasionally,

540
00:24:12,554 --> 00:24:16,314
Speaker 2: which is a nightmare for Instagram captions and hashtags, et cetera.

541
00:24:16,954 --> 00:24:19,634
Speaker 1: A great sight title as well. I was like, once

542
00:24:19,634 --> 00:24:21,954
Speaker 1: you've written that out, you've taken up all your spaih

543
00:24:22,034 --> 00:24:24,594
Speaker 1: how is one going to search optimize a piece about

544
00:24:24,594 --> 00:24:26,314
Speaker 1: that album with that name. I didn't think of that,

545
00:24:26,394 --> 00:24:26,994
Speaker 1: did you, Harry.

546
00:24:27,074 --> 00:24:29,954
Speaker 2: No, he didn't think of me, who always names like

547
00:24:30,034 --> 00:24:31,474
Speaker 2: this always mess me up.

548
00:24:31,594 --> 00:24:34,273
Speaker 1: And this is why the fans have affectionately nicknamed it

549
00:24:34,354 --> 00:24:38,033
Speaker 1: kiss Goo. I love that. I know. I really like

550
00:24:38,114 --> 00:24:38,474
Speaker 1: it too.

551
00:24:38,674 --> 00:24:40,513
Speaker 2: That's a very clever way in It was like when

552
00:24:40,554 --> 00:24:43,073
Speaker 2: Taylor released The Tortured Poets Department, and I said multiple

553
00:24:43,074 --> 00:24:45,154
Speaker 2: times on this podcast and another podcast that we have

554
00:24:45,274 --> 00:24:49,593
Speaker 2: here at Mamma Mea the Tortured Poets Department movie something like.

555
00:24:49,674 --> 00:24:52,714
Speaker 2: I just kept calling it the literal movie starring Robin Williams,

556
00:24:52,874 --> 00:24:55,114
Speaker 2: and like everyone was like, no, that's not what it's called.

557
00:24:55,154 --> 00:24:56,513
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I'm sorry, I don't know.

558
00:24:56,714 --> 00:24:59,274
Speaker 2: I don't know. But kissko kiss all the time. Disco

559
00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:01,154
Speaker 2: occasionally did come out.

560
00:25:01,194 --> 00:25:03,394
Speaker 1: Yes a midnight release, so we were one of the

561
00:25:03,394 --> 00:25:05,314
Speaker 1: first countries in the world to get it, which always

562
00:25:05,314 --> 00:25:08,954
Speaker 1: happens with Harry's album. New Zealand got the jump on us,

563
00:25:09,114 --> 00:25:11,754
Speaker 1: as they tend to do. Yeah, it's interesting. I would

564
00:25:11,794 --> 00:25:13,834
Speaker 1: have thought by now that Harry would do the same

565
00:25:13,954 --> 00:25:15,994
Speaker 1: sort of global drop that Taylor does. I don't know

566
00:25:15,994 --> 00:25:19,874
Speaker 1: why that doesn't happen, but that's fine. It's lucky for

567
00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:22,154
Speaker 1: us down here. We don't normally get things first.

568
00:25:22,274 --> 00:25:24,353
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very special in that sense. It's just us

569
00:25:24,354 --> 00:25:27,434
Speaker 2: in the Keiway's head of the curve. So we got

570
00:25:27,434 --> 00:25:29,194
Speaker 2: it first. But also you got to listen to it.

571
00:25:29,234 --> 00:25:31,874
Speaker 2: I got it first first, first, so I did. I

572
00:25:31,914 --> 00:25:34,154
Speaker 2: got to listen to her in advance, which I have

573
00:25:34,314 --> 00:25:38,074
Speaker 2: done for all four of Harry's albums. Now in very

574
00:25:38,074 --> 00:25:40,394
Speaker 2: interesting conditions, and I think a lot of people wonder

575
00:25:40,434 --> 00:25:44,074
Speaker 2: because often, like and there's comments that I get from

576
00:25:44,474 --> 00:25:47,074
Speaker 2: fans out there that when I write a review and

577
00:25:47,154 --> 00:25:49,554
Speaker 2: it comes out one minute after the album comes out,

578
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:53,434
Speaker 2: they're like, how how so we get some I've got

579
00:25:53,434 --> 00:25:54,834
Speaker 2: pictures in my mind of what I think.

580
00:25:54,714 --> 00:25:56,394
Speaker 1: It would look like. Okay, what do you think it

581
00:25:56,434 --> 00:25:56,833
Speaker 1: looks like?

582
00:25:56,914 --> 00:25:59,154
Speaker 2: Do you know any Incredibles? Have you ever seen a

583
00:25:59,194 --> 00:25:59,954
Speaker 2: Disney classic?

584
00:26:00,114 --> 00:26:04,794
Speaker 1: Incredible? What Tina? You know, I'm such a Disney fan,

585
00:26:04,994 --> 00:26:08,154
Speaker 1: but I love princess movies. Oh my god, incredible.

586
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:11,234
Speaker 2: Okay, So in that they're like superheroes and I think

587
00:26:11,234 --> 00:26:13,994
Speaker 2: this happens in many spy movies too. They get sent

588
00:26:14,074 --> 00:26:17,594
Speaker 2: a DVD and then once you've listened, it explodes. So

589
00:26:17,754 --> 00:26:20,073
Speaker 2: that's what I picture happening. When someone listens to an

590
00:26:20,114 --> 00:26:22,594
Speaker 2: album like a Harry Styles or like a Beyonce, Like

591
00:26:22,594 --> 00:26:24,674
Speaker 2: if you got an early listening for that level of star,

592
00:26:25,074 --> 00:26:27,154
Speaker 2: what I assume happens is you get sent a self

593
00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:28,994
Speaker 2: destructing no DVD.

594
00:26:30,394 --> 00:26:33,714
Speaker 1: No, So it depends. So when I get sent Taylor's

595
00:26:33,754 --> 00:26:37,553
Speaker 1: in advance, I get sent like a link to the album.

596
00:26:37,634 --> 00:26:40,674
Speaker 1: It's encrypted, and it's got like you know, behind the

597
00:26:41,354 --> 00:26:46,593
Speaker 1: behind the computer walls, my name and stamp all over it,

598
00:26:46,674 --> 00:26:49,314
Speaker 1: so that if I shared it anywhere, I love, Taylor

599
00:26:49,354 --> 00:26:52,394
Speaker 1: would know and I would cease to exist.

600
00:26:53,154 --> 00:26:55,234
Speaker 2: But I can listen behind the computer walls. It was

601
00:26:55,234 --> 00:26:56,874
Speaker 2: a really great way to describe that. I'd love if

602
00:26:56,914 --> 00:26:59,634
Speaker 2: any spillers are like working in it and they're like, okay,

603
00:26:59,714 --> 00:27:00,874
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that one before.

604
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:05,234
Speaker 1: Yeah, love that love that clearly clearly not my forte takey,

605
00:27:05,354 --> 00:27:08,354
Speaker 1: But I can listen to that as many times as

606
00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:11,554
Speaker 1: I want. It does not explode. It is a different

607
00:27:11,954 --> 00:27:16,434
Speaker 1: story with Harry you get taken in to Sony HQ

608
00:27:17,794 --> 00:27:20,553
Speaker 1: strips it. No, you don't really get strip seut but

609
00:27:21,274 --> 00:27:24,354
Speaker 1: you have any kind of thing taken off you.

610
00:27:24,634 --> 00:27:26,354
Speaker 2: Yeah, do they do you have to go through like security?

611
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:27,874
Speaker 2: Do they pat you down to check if you're wearing.

612
00:27:27,874 --> 00:27:29,954
Speaker 1: They don't pat you down. It's not that full on.

613
00:27:30,434 --> 00:27:33,474
Speaker 1: But I hand it over my handbag at reception and

614
00:27:33,594 --> 00:27:37,194
Speaker 1: had to go in. It's a bit like I liken

615
00:27:37,274 --> 00:27:40,994
Speaker 1: it to HSC exam conditions, so you can't go in

616
00:27:41,034 --> 00:27:45,033
Speaker 1: with anything. Then we entered the boardroom at Sony in

617
00:27:45,074 --> 00:27:48,954
Speaker 1: a new office, very very swishy, very swank, but you

618
00:27:48,954 --> 00:27:52,033
Speaker 1: know boardrooms are also like boardrooms and they can be

619
00:27:52,074 --> 00:27:54,834
Speaker 1: quite intense places. Get in there. There's a notebook and

620
00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:55,274
Speaker 1: a pen.

621
00:27:55,554 --> 00:27:57,793
Speaker 2: Also they supply you can't even bring in your own.

622
00:27:57,754 --> 00:28:00,394
Speaker 1: No, you can't bring your own notebook and pen and

623
00:28:00,434 --> 00:28:03,834
Speaker 1: a bottle of water see exam conditions. And then the

624
00:28:03,914 --> 00:28:10,313
Speaker 1: album was played through once and that was no lyrics displayed, nothing,

625
00:28:10,874 --> 00:28:13,394
Speaker 1: So you have one listen and then you have to

626
00:28:14,114 --> 00:28:16,634
Speaker 1: go away and write a re You love Harry, but

627
00:28:16,714 --> 00:28:18,553
Speaker 1: he can be a little bit of a mumbler on

628
00:28:18,594 --> 00:28:20,833
Speaker 1: some of the songs as well, so you're like I

629
00:28:20,914 --> 00:28:22,553
Speaker 1: was trying to write down lyrics. I could have been

630
00:28:22,554 --> 00:28:24,954
Speaker 1: getting stuff wrong. There were some. I remember there was

631
00:28:25,074 --> 00:28:27,394
Speaker 1: one track where I just wrote no thoughts, just fine

632
00:28:29,514 --> 00:28:31,834
Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand many of the words. He said.

633
00:28:31,994 --> 00:28:34,114
Speaker 2: Do they like pause before each one and say this

634
00:28:34,194 --> 00:28:36,914
Speaker 2: is not called blah blah. No, there's the track listing

635
00:28:37,394 --> 00:28:39,034
Speaker 2: on the screen in front of you. Yeah.

636
00:28:39,154 --> 00:28:41,834
Speaker 1: In past Harry listens that I've been to, they have

637
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:44,114
Speaker 1: displayed the lyrics. Yeah, okay, I think this was the

638
00:28:44,114 --> 00:28:46,874
Speaker 1: first time that the lyrics haven't been displayed, and I

639
00:28:46,914 --> 00:28:48,954
Speaker 1: actually think this is the time I would have wanted them.

640
00:28:48,994 --> 00:28:54,474
Speaker 2: The most follow up question, Yes, what was your process?

641
00:28:54,514 --> 00:28:56,834
Speaker 2: Like are you writing down like one and then a

642
00:28:56,834 --> 00:28:58,714
Speaker 2: bunch of dot points or are you just like scribbling

643
00:28:58,754 --> 00:28:59,754
Speaker 2: every single thought that you have?

644
00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:03,954
Speaker 1: What's your approach? So I did a page per song, Okay,

645
00:29:04,674 --> 00:29:06,474
Speaker 1: title of the song at the top of the page, ye,

646
00:29:06,674 --> 00:29:10,834
Speaker 1: and then just brain dumping anything that came to mind. Yeah,

647
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:14,714
Speaker 1: there was like some lyrics. Sometimes it was like musical

648
00:29:15,394 --> 00:29:17,994
Speaker 1: you know, production thoughts. Yeah. Sometimes it was like big

649
00:29:18,034 --> 00:29:19,834
Speaker 1: picture stuff that I was like, Okay, this is like

650
00:29:19,914 --> 00:29:22,634
Speaker 1: thematic and this one reminds me of that song on

651
00:29:22,634 --> 00:29:25,354
Speaker 1: Harry's House or whatever, and all this lyric ties together

652
00:29:25,394 --> 00:29:28,194
Speaker 1: with that, so it's a bit of a mess. I

653
00:29:28,234 --> 00:29:30,514
Speaker 1: do not want anyone to ever see that notebook.

654
00:29:30,674 --> 00:29:33,834
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, can we put the notebook screenshots

655
00:29:33,834 --> 00:29:34,354
Speaker 2: on the spill?

656
00:29:34,434 --> 00:29:36,834
Speaker 1: You know what you can? You can put the no thoughts,

657
00:29:36,914 --> 00:29:39,034
Speaker 1: just vibes page on and let's see what the spill

658
00:29:39,154 --> 00:29:41,794
Speaker 1: is think. And when they first listened to that same track,

659
00:29:41,954 --> 00:29:43,194
Speaker 1: they had no thoughts and just.

660
00:29:43,194 --> 00:29:46,754
Speaker 2: Vibes to Okay, So what was your initial reaction then?

661
00:29:46,754 --> 00:29:48,074
Speaker 2: If you just got like cause you got to listen

662
00:29:48,114 --> 00:29:49,674
Speaker 2: to it in one go, but it's also the first

663
00:29:49,714 --> 00:29:50,234
Speaker 2: time you've.

664
00:29:50,074 --> 00:29:53,314
Speaker 1: Heard yeah, So my first thought was, Okay, I love

665
00:29:53,354 --> 00:29:55,194
Speaker 1: that he's doing something different. I love that he does

666
00:29:55,234 --> 00:29:58,234
Speaker 1: something different each time. And this was like my overarching

667
00:29:58,314 --> 00:30:00,314
Speaker 1: when I wrote a review for the which we'll link

668
00:30:00,354 --> 00:30:03,514
Speaker 1: in the show notes, is that with Harry, he never

669
00:30:03,554 --> 00:30:05,994
Speaker 1: repeats himself and you're always going to get something different.

670
00:30:05,994 --> 00:30:09,234
Speaker 1: He always likes to change production, and I think that

671
00:30:09,394 --> 00:30:12,354
Speaker 1: is from years and years of putting out the same

672
00:30:12,434 --> 00:30:15,034
Speaker 1: sort of records with one direction. Yeah, but he wants

673
00:30:15,114 --> 00:30:17,834
Speaker 1: to explore different paths. And it's also how you keep

674
00:30:17,874 --> 00:30:20,154
Speaker 1: it fresh and how you keep people interested. So I

675
00:30:20,194 --> 00:30:22,474
Speaker 1: did really love that. I thought that Aperture was a

676
00:30:22,514 --> 00:30:25,114
Speaker 1: really good first song to release because I think it

677
00:30:25,154 --> 00:30:27,274
Speaker 1: really set up the vibe of the album and showed

678
00:30:27,314 --> 00:30:29,474
Speaker 1: straight up this was not going to be anything like

679
00:30:29,474 --> 00:30:32,114
Speaker 1: what he'd done before. Yeah, do you like that song? Yes?

680
00:30:32,154 --> 00:30:35,634
Speaker 1: I do. I really like it. Do you like that? Okay?

681
00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,034
Speaker 2: But then I heard other songs on the album and

682
00:30:38,074 --> 00:30:40,114
Speaker 2: I thought they were better. And also I'm not like

683
00:30:40,354 --> 00:30:42,674
Speaker 2: the Harry styles girl right, like a lot of people

684
00:30:42,714 --> 00:30:44,714
Speaker 2: are a lot of people love him dearly. I always

685
00:30:44,754 --> 00:30:46,834
Speaker 2: like a few from each album. I do think the

686
00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:50,034
Speaker 2: last album was my favorite. I was a massive direction

687
00:30:50,154 --> 00:30:52,914
Speaker 2: And who was your favorite? Harry was one of my favorites.

688
00:30:53,354 --> 00:30:56,314
Speaker 2: I loved niall as like I knew it. I knew

689
00:30:56,314 --> 00:30:58,034
Speaker 2: and I loved a little Shenanigan like. I didn't think

690
00:30:58,074 --> 00:31:00,034
Speaker 2: he was cute. I just thought, oh that little guy,

691
00:31:00,234 --> 00:31:02,194
Speaker 2: he's so funny. Who was your favorite Harry?

692
00:31:02,274 --> 00:31:02,594
Speaker 1: Harry?

693
00:31:02,674 --> 00:31:07,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, always Harry. Then he had the long after Yeah,

694
00:31:07,714 --> 00:31:09,754
Speaker 2: but voice is still great. Do love his songs?

695
00:31:09,794 --> 00:31:10,074
Speaker 1: Okay?

696
00:31:10,154 --> 00:31:11,874
Speaker 2: So what was your favorite song?

697
00:31:11,914 --> 00:31:15,154
Speaker 1: Then? My favorite song on the album is pop? Which

698
00:31:15,154 --> 00:31:15,954
Speaker 1: one's pop? See?

699
00:31:15,954 --> 00:31:18,394
Speaker 2: This is the thing for me. I have listened they

700
00:31:18,394 --> 00:31:20,234
Speaker 2: did all melt together a little bit, but I know

701
00:31:20,434 --> 00:31:22,514
Speaker 2: on another listen or another few listens, I'll have my

702
00:31:22,554 --> 00:31:23,394
Speaker 2: single out favorites.

703
00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:25,954
Speaker 1: I think that that is a fair analysis, and that's

704
00:31:25,994 --> 00:31:28,714
Speaker 1: what I've heard, not just from casual fans, also from reviewers.

705
00:31:28,714 --> 00:31:31,434
Speaker 1: So that's what made this conditions of listening to it

706
00:31:31,514 --> 00:31:35,154
Speaker 1: just once hard, but also from like hardcore fans. They

707
00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:36,554
Speaker 1: were like, no, no, no, you've got to give it a

708
00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:38,314
Speaker 1: few listens. It is an album that you have to

709
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:40,034
Speaker 1: give a few listens too. Yeah.

710
00:31:40,074 --> 00:31:41,914
Speaker 2: And is that because his sound is a bit different

711
00:31:41,954 --> 00:31:44,274
Speaker 2: this time around or you just think it's more like cohesive,

712
00:31:44,394 --> 00:31:45,434
Speaker 2: so so the same.

713
00:31:45,714 --> 00:31:48,794
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think it's less storytelling lyrics on this

714
00:31:48,954 --> 00:31:51,954
Speaker 1: album to his previous albums. That's a big point of difference.

715
00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:54,634
Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, why do you think he likes

716
00:31:54,674 --> 00:31:55,914
Speaker 2: changing up his sound so much?

717
00:31:56,114 --> 00:31:59,194
Speaker 1: I think because a lot of people copy him. And

718
00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:01,834
Speaker 1: I think the same goes for his fashion. I think

719
00:32:01,874 --> 00:32:06,234
Speaker 1: he never wants to just be in the puddle of

720
00:32:06,754 --> 00:32:10,514
Speaker 1: male artists. Yes that exists. Yeah, I think the girls

721
00:32:10,554 --> 00:32:13,794
Speaker 1: have been killing it for so long and there isn't

722
00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:18,594
Speaker 1: really a contender as a male pop artist that is

723
00:32:18,634 --> 00:32:20,234
Speaker 1: achieving what the girls are achieving.

724
00:32:20,394 --> 00:32:21,874
Speaker 2: Yeah, except Harry.

725
00:32:21,954 --> 00:32:24,594
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think he's the only one that keeps

726
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:27,114
Speaker 1: pushing it. And I think because he keeps pushing it,

727
00:32:27,234 --> 00:32:27,834
Speaker 1: that's why.

728
00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:28,914
Speaker 2: Yeah.

729
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:31,794
Speaker 1: I also think the thing with Harry and you know,

730
00:32:31,834 --> 00:32:34,074
Speaker 1: people would have if they woke up early today would

731
00:32:34,074 --> 00:32:37,834
Speaker 1: have seen the Netflix special of tour. I haven't seen

732
00:32:37,834 --> 00:32:39,754
Speaker 1: it yet, but like, as soon as we wrap up here,

733
00:32:39,794 --> 00:32:42,114
Speaker 1: I'm going to go watch it. The great thing about

734
00:32:42,154 --> 00:32:45,074
Speaker 1: what Harry does is everything he makes. He does such

735
00:32:45,074 --> 00:32:47,554
Speaker 1: a great job performing live and you can see he

736
00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,554
Speaker 1: really really really loves it, and I feel like this

737
00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:52,514
Speaker 1: is an album that is going to be such a

738
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:56,234
Speaker 1: party and such a fun vibe live. Yeah.

739
00:32:56,314 --> 00:32:59,354
Speaker 2: I've seen some early clips from the Netflix special and

740
00:32:59,754 --> 00:33:02,114
Speaker 2: first of all, loving the outfit he's just seen like

741
00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:04,074
Speaker 2: a sweater and pants and a shirt, which is very

742
00:33:04,154 --> 00:33:07,354
Speaker 2: much a departure from obviously his last tour. But he

743
00:33:07,474 --> 00:33:09,354
Speaker 2: just seems to be having the time of his life

744
00:33:09,354 --> 00:33:11,554
Speaker 2: on stage, dancing, having so much fun.

745
00:33:11,674 --> 00:33:13,634
Speaker 1: He's very much like Taylor in that respect. You can

746
00:33:13,674 --> 00:33:15,114
Speaker 1: see that when they're on tour, and I know the

747
00:33:15,154 --> 00:33:17,074
Speaker 1: tours are really really taxing and a lot of the

748
00:33:17,154 --> 00:33:19,754
Speaker 1: artists like they enjoy going out on tour and then

749
00:33:19,754 --> 00:33:21,474
Speaker 1: about halfway through the Tool you can see they're like,

750
00:33:21,514 --> 00:33:25,394
Speaker 1: oh god, this is so so hard. They are two

751
00:33:25,434 --> 00:33:26,874
Speaker 1: of the only artists that I ever see that I

752
00:33:26,874 --> 00:33:29,754
Speaker 1: think they are loving it from day one and the

753
00:33:29,834 --> 00:33:30,674
Speaker 1: last day of tour.

754
00:33:31,114 --> 00:33:33,434
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think because for the Netflix special, right

755
00:33:33,474 --> 00:33:34,634
Speaker 2: they took people's phones away.

756
00:33:34,874 --> 00:33:37,954
Speaker 1: They did. They took people's phones away. There was like, oh,

757
00:33:38,034 --> 00:33:39,794
Speaker 1: does Harry just want everyone living in the moment, which

758
00:33:39,834 --> 00:33:41,914
Speaker 1: is so fun. I wondered if it was more that

759
00:33:41,994 --> 00:33:44,794
Speaker 1: Netflix didn't want everyone seeing the entire show on social

760
00:33:44,834 --> 00:33:48,714
Speaker 1: media before it waves, which again I think is great.

761
00:33:49,114 --> 00:33:51,274
Speaker 1: And then they gave out digital cameras, which is a

762
00:33:51,314 --> 00:33:51,834
Speaker 1: bit of fun.

763
00:33:51,994 --> 00:33:53,554
Speaker 2: That is a bit fun. I feel like he's always

764
00:33:53,554 --> 00:33:55,194
Speaker 2: doing something a little different, and it was like a

765
00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:57,034
Speaker 2: glimpse into what the Tool will be, right because yeah,

766
00:33:57,034 --> 00:34:00,394
Speaker 2: he's coming, he's coming to Sydney for what shows.

767
00:34:02,234 --> 00:34:05,034
Speaker 1: Shows in Sydney, but he's doing the Big Arena and

768
00:34:05,154 --> 00:34:06,594
Speaker 1: he's also doing mel I was like.

769
00:34:06,554 --> 00:34:08,794
Speaker 2: What see, you can tell I'm not a Harry I am,

770
00:34:08,834 --> 00:34:10,234
Speaker 2: But like I was like, I'm going to leave that

771
00:34:10,274 --> 00:34:10,954
Speaker 2: to the real fans.

772
00:34:11,234 --> 00:34:13,953
Speaker 1: He's really good to Australia. He knows that Yeah, there's

773
00:34:13,994 --> 00:34:16,074
Speaker 1: a big audience down here that love him because the.

774
00:34:15,994 --> 00:34:17,953
Speaker 2: World tour is pretty much like America and a few

775
00:34:17,954 --> 00:34:18,514
Speaker 2: other places.

776
00:34:18,594 --> 00:34:21,553
Speaker 1: Right, it's not even America, it's New York. He's doing

777
00:34:21,594 --> 00:34:24,073
Speaker 1: thirty shows at Madison Square Garden in New York.

778
00:34:24,274 --> 00:34:27,234
Speaker 2: That's going to break his own record, surely, yes.

779
00:34:27,154 --> 00:34:30,513
Speaker 1: Yes, And I do it also about this well yes,

780
00:34:30,594 --> 00:34:33,274
Speaker 1: but I also think now no one can beat Taylor's

781
00:34:33,274 --> 00:34:36,674
Speaker 1: records for touring, right, and so no one wants to

782
00:34:36,714 --> 00:34:37,714
Speaker 1: have the headlines be.

783
00:34:38,554 --> 00:34:40,594
Speaker 2: Like Curry Styles tries to beat tails or.

784
00:34:40,754 --> 00:34:44,714
Speaker 1: Like you know, second most tour. You know, like no

785
00:34:44,754 --> 00:34:46,393
Speaker 1: one wants that. Everyone wants to be able to go

786
00:34:46,394 --> 00:34:49,114
Speaker 1: out and say like best, best, best, number one, number one,

787
00:34:49,314 --> 00:34:52,194
Speaker 1: you know, so instead of trying to compete with the

788
00:34:52,234 --> 00:34:54,593
Speaker 1: tour that she did around the US for Eras, which

789
00:34:54,754 --> 00:34:58,074
Speaker 1: did you know two laps, his big headline can be

790
00:34:58,594 --> 00:35:00,154
Speaker 1: Smashes Madison Square Garden.

791
00:35:00,474 --> 00:35:03,034
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also think if this album is moving

792
00:35:03,394 --> 00:35:06,114
Speaker 2: towards yeah, like his disco vibe and the way that

793
00:35:06,154 --> 00:35:09,154
Speaker 2: it looks, the kind of tour that's been filmed for Netflix,

794
00:35:09,394 --> 00:35:11,594
Speaker 2: he kind of seems like it will thrive in a

795
00:35:11,634 --> 00:35:14,433
Speaker 2: smaller space, which Madison Square Garden is and as much

796
00:35:14,434 --> 00:35:16,114
Speaker 2: as he's gonna come to Sydney and do the big

797
00:35:16,154 --> 00:35:18,954
Speaker 2: stadium and do a few big stadiums, this seems like

798
00:35:18,954 --> 00:35:21,354
Speaker 2: a type of performance that's better suited to that kind

799
00:35:21,354 --> 00:35:21,794
Speaker 2: of concept.

800
00:35:22,394 --> 00:35:24,594
Speaker 1: Well, they're adapting it as well, which is great. So

801
00:35:24,794 --> 00:35:27,674
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden's done in the round and then when

802
00:35:27,674 --> 00:35:31,754
Speaker 1: it's here, it's on the stage front facing huge apron

803
00:35:32,274 --> 00:35:34,834
Speaker 1: coming out. He had an apron last time as well,

804
00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:38,474
Speaker 1: or a catwalk walkway that was like a decent size.

805
00:35:38,754 --> 00:35:41,274
Speaker 1: But this one, if it's going to be how it

806
00:35:41,314 --> 00:35:43,114
Speaker 1: looks on the little maps, and we won't really know

807
00:35:43,194 --> 00:35:45,194
Speaker 1: till the stages built and we see it, it looks

808
00:35:45,274 --> 00:35:47,194
Speaker 1: like it's much bigger, which I think a lot of

809
00:35:47,234 --> 00:35:49,994
Speaker 1: people have learnt from the year's tour that it's important

810
00:35:49,994 --> 00:35:52,194
Speaker 1: to have that. They felt like that was lacking from

811
00:35:52,274 --> 00:35:55,314
Speaker 1: Lady Gargar's concert. It was just contained and too small

812
00:35:55,674 --> 00:35:57,393
Speaker 1: to be out in the crowds with his little dance

813
00:35:57,434 --> 00:36:00,074
Speaker 1: moods and his ballet flats. Indeed, I'm loving his transition

814
00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:00,994
Speaker 1: to ballet flats.

815
00:36:00,714 --> 00:36:03,114
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh me too, me too. I think

816
00:36:03,154 --> 00:36:05,194
Speaker 2: it's part of that fashion overhaul, right, Yeah, the.

817
00:36:05,114 --> 00:36:09,994
Speaker 1: Fashion overhaul again, like everyone copycats Harry's fashion. I also

818
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:11,913
Speaker 1: think that the only person that can dress like Harry

819
00:36:11,914 --> 00:36:14,514
Speaker 1: Styles is Harry Styles. Everyone else looks a bit else.

820
00:36:14,514 --> 00:36:17,074
Speaker 2: It looks like they're dressing up for like a costume party.

821
00:36:17,114 --> 00:36:19,553
Speaker 1: You can only see when Harry's been on the mood

822
00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:26,074
Speaker 1: board of the stylist or the towns. Yeah, I know, sorry, Benson.

823
00:36:26,194 --> 00:36:27,834
Speaker 1: You knew this day was going to come. You knew

824
00:36:27,874 --> 00:36:28,873
Speaker 1: Harry was coming back.

825
00:36:29,034 --> 00:36:31,354
Speaker 2: Yes, but his new look is like I'm wearing a

826
00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:34,433
Speaker 2: ballet flat with jeans and either a cropped blazer or

827
00:36:34,634 --> 00:36:36,754
Speaker 2: a like Kmart sweater. That's the look.

828
00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:38,953
Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's cool and it works on him.

829
00:36:38,994 --> 00:36:43,033
Speaker 1: And he's gorgeous and very tall and very very fit. Yes,

830
00:36:43,074 --> 00:36:45,473
Speaker 1: which is interesting because he's now a marathon runner as well.

831
00:36:45,594 --> 00:36:47,513
Speaker 1: I know, and that is something I wanted to talk

832
00:36:47,554 --> 00:36:50,554
Speaker 1: to you. Yes, please not the running. I couldn't care less,

833
00:36:50,874 --> 00:36:55,594
Speaker 1: but I do love that for this record cycle, instead

834
00:36:55,594 --> 00:36:58,874
Speaker 1: of doing like a Vanity Fair cover or Rolling Stone,

835
00:36:58,874 --> 00:37:01,034
Speaker 1: who I'm sure thought that they were shoeing to have

836
00:37:01,154 --> 00:37:03,714
Speaker 1: the first big sit down with Harry and photo shoot

837
00:37:04,194 --> 00:37:08,354
Speaker 1: for this record cycle, instead he did Runners World. Are

838
00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:11,393
Speaker 1: you familiar? With Runners World, Tina, you have a magazine background.

839
00:37:11,594 --> 00:37:15,034
Speaker 2: I've ever read Runners World or Cared Too until last.

840
00:37:14,834 --> 00:37:17,433
Speaker 1: Week, until last week when Harry appeared on it. And

841
00:37:17,474 --> 00:37:20,794
Speaker 1: for Harry's House. Do you remember what magazine he did

842
00:37:20,834 --> 00:37:22,274
Speaker 1: his big relaunch back on.

843
00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:25,034
Speaker 2: I only remember because you wrote it in your review

844
00:37:25,194 --> 00:37:27,354
Speaker 2: and I remember loving it at the time. It was

845
00:37:27,394 --> 00:37:28,514
Speaker 2: Better Homes and Gardens.

846
00:37:28,674 --> 00:37:31,634
Speaker 1: I just love the thought of like the new you know,

847
00:37:31,634 --> 00:37:34,154
Speaker 1: the sitting there in an editorial meeting in Better Homes

848
00:37:34,154 --> 00:37:40,513
Speaker 1: and Gardens magazine and the editor saying, so we've got

849
00:37:40,514 --> 00:37:45,114
Speaker 1: a call, because I know that there's no way they

850
00:37:45,154 --> 00:37:46,513
Speaker 1: would have approached Harry's team.

851
00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:50,634
Speaker 2: So that's that's come that coming from them, Yeah.

852
00:37:50,274 --> 00:37:52,714
Speaker 1: To say we'd like to be on the cover. They

853
00:37:52,754 --> 00:37:54,514
Speaker 1: must have felt like that they were being set up,

854
00:37:54,514 --> 00:37:55,314
Speaker 1: like it was a joke.

855
00:37:55,474 --> 00:37:57,473
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think it was real till you got there.

856
00:37:57,514 --> 00:38:00,073
Speaker 2: And Harry Styles is in a garden or a home

857
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:01,874
Speaker 2: for Better Homes and Gardens exactly.

858
00:38:02,474 --> 00:38:04,873
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the same for Runners World. Imagine like

859
00:38:05,314 --> 00:38:07,034
Speaker 1: you know you always.

860
00:38:06,874 --> 00:38:09,594
Speaker 2: They approached him though, because he is always running.

861
00:38:09,794 --> 00:38:12,554
Speaker 1: Oh look maybe like total Pine in the sky. And

862
00:38:12,634 --> 00:38:15,194
Speaker 1: I love that because my theory because like That has

863
00:38:15,234 --> 00:38:18,674
Speaker 1: always been my job's chasing down talent in the past

864
00:38:18,674 --> 00:38:20,794
Speaker 1: for magazine, very hard job. Now I do it for

865
00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:23,554
Speaker 1: no filter, and my motto is let them say no,

866
00:38:23,754 --> 00:38:26,513
Speaker 1: because if you say, like, oh, you know, like yes,

867
00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,594
Speaker 1: I would love to have Harry Styles on no filter.

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Speaker 1: Of course I would love to have Harry Styles on

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Speaker 1: no filter. Do I think he's going to do it? No,

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Speaker 1: But like who knows what if I say no. If

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Speaker 1: I say no, he's never going to do it. But

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Speaker 1: if I ask, you never know, maybe he would. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we need to turn it into a running Maybe I'll.

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Speaker 2: Call it a running segment. Yeah, a running a running

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Speaker 2: segment about running. Well, I do love that, and I

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Speaker 2: do think yeh like having literally sat next to the

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Speaker 2: homes titles in magazines for years and listening to the

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Speaker 2: fun things they get to talk about and the cool

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Speaker 2: shoots they get to go on. I do think the

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Speaker 2: day Harry Styles team called up and said would we

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Speaker 2: like to do a BHD cover, people would have been fainting.

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Speaker 2: The office would have been a gust. People would have

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Speaker 2: been running and screaming. Harris Styles would be playing on

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Speaker 2: the speakers. It would have been absolute better.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I love about him. He's full of

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Speaker 1: surprises and this album is definitely one of them.

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Speaker 2: So before we go, I do have to ask you

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Speaker 2: this album is sonically different to the things that he's

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Speaker 2: done before. You've written a really great review. It is

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Speaker 2: going to be in our show notes for anyone who

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Speaker 2: wants to check it out. But I would love to

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Speaker 2: know how do you think this album stacks up to

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Speaker 2: his previous work and how do you think it's going

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Speaker 2: to go for him in the charts.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that is really interesting. I am interested to see

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Speaker 1: how it will go on the charts. It will like

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Speaker 1: it'll be number one of course, because like firstly, no

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Speaker 1: one else is going to go up against him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's got clean air for a while. But also

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Speaker 1: he's got a huge, fervent fan base that are going

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Speaker 1: to be playing and playing and playing and buying that record.

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Speaker 1: Everyone also bought it as a fan before that even

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Speaker 1: heard it, So it will go really well in the charts.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see like if it's got a

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Speaker 1: long tail on it as well. Personally, it's not my

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Speaker 1: favorite album of case, I really really enjoy it. I

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Speaker 1: will be listening to it a lot. I will be

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Speaker 1: adding songs to my playlist. I don't think like his

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Speaker 1: other albums, particularly his first album and Harry's House, that

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Speaker 1: I will be continuously listening as a full body of work.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of skips on there for me cool,

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Speaker 1: but I do enjoy it mostly when I listen to it.

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Speaker 1: I just can't wait to be at that live show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow us on socials. We have popped

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Speaker 2: Minisha is Warren with sound production by Teagan Seddler. See

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