1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,064 --> 00:00:31,144 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. On 6 00:00:31,224 --> 00:00:34,624 Speaker 2: the show. Today, we are talking about the most controversial 7 00:00:34,864 --> 00:00:37,704 Speaker 2: movie that is coming out soon. We just went to 8 00:00:37,744 --> 00:00:40,664 Speaker 2: the premier screening and saw that. We're also talking about 9 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:43,224 Speaker 2: all the controversies that happen with all the actors that 10 00:00:43,264 --> 00:00:46,144 Speaker 2: are starring in it. But first, but first. 11 00:00:45,944 --> 00:00:48,584 Speaker 1: A little bit more fall out for Young Justin Timberlake 12 00:00:48,664 --> 00:00:51,504 Speaker 1: following his arrest in the Hampton so is Ian jail. No, 13 00:00:51,624 --> 00:00:53,824 Speaker 1: he's on a world tour, Emily. He does not listen 14 00:00:53,864 --> 00:00:55,904 Speaker 1: to what he says, all right, So if anyone's not 15 00:00:55,944 --> 00:00:58,824 Speaker 1: across his story, everyone is. A few weeks ago, Young 16 00:00:58,944 --> 00:01:01,784 Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake was driving through the Hampton's pulled over by 17 00:01:01,824 --> 00:01:05,544 Speaker 1: a police officer and was taken into custody for a 18 00:01:05,624 --> 00:01:08,344 Speaker 1: DUI having you know, things in his system. I think 19 00:01:08,344 --> 00:01:10,064 Speaker 1: he's still going to court and that's all still happening. 20 00:01:10,104 --> 00:01:12,344 Speaker 1: He did spend the night at a police station. Interesting 21 00:01:12,344 --> 00:01:14,904 Speaker 1: fact about that young police officer that's come out though 22 00:01:14,944 --> 00:01:17,984 Speaker 1: just as a quick little side but he didn't know Justin. Yeah. 23 00:01:18,024 --> 00:01:20,664 Speaker 1: So that exchange between them has gone viral and it's 24 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:23,984 Speaker 1: been used everywhere where. Apparently Justin Timberlake put his head 25 00:01:24,024 --> 00:01:25,744 Speaker 1: down and was like, this is going to ruin the tour. 26 00:01:26,064 --> 00:01:28,384 Speaker 1: And the police officer said what tour? And Justin said 27 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:33,024 Speaker 1: the world tour. Apparently this police officer, this little young renegade, 28 00:01:33,144 --> 00:01:35,824 Speaker 1: is quite infamous in the Hampton's because usually there's so 29 00:01:35,864 --> 00:01:38,184 Speaker 1: many rich and famous people that live in holiday there 30 00:01:38,584 --> 00:01:41,584 Speaker 1: that there's kind of this idea that some law enforcement 31 00:01:41,664 --> 00:01:44,464 Speaker 1: might turn a blind eye to people who are driving recklessly. 32 00:01:44,744 --> 00:01:46,944 Speaker 1: But this young guy has started there and apparently he's 33 00:01:46,984 --> 00:01:50,744 Speaker 1: just arrested every rich and wealthy person and they're calling 34 00:01:50,824 --> 00:01:54,224 Speaker 1: him like the highway Retegade, all the Hampton's highwayman, because 35 00:01:55,104 --> 00:01:57,544 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm here to do a job. I don't 36 00:01:57,544 --> 00:01:58,304 Speaker 1: care who you are. 37 00:01:58,424 --> 00:02:00,704 Speaker 2: He had to stop crime, no matter what crime that is. 38 00:02:01,104 --> 00:02:02,384 Speaker 2: I'm going to clean up that one. 39 00:02:03,504 --> 00:02:05,904 Speaker 1: So apparently everyone else just turns the other way, you know, 40 00:02:05,984 --> 00:02:09,144 Speaker 1: because everyone's so rich and I am powerful and stuff, 41 00:02:09,144 --> 00:02:10,424 Speaker 1: and this guy has come in. He is like, so 42 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:12,424 Speaker 1: I am an officer of the law. I will pull 43 00:02:12,504 --> 00:02:15,664 Speaker 1: anyone over. And Justin Timberlake was just the latest, just 44 00:02:15,704 --> 00:02:17,744 Speaker 1: the latest victim of that. I love that. 45 00:02:17,864 --> 00:02:19,064 Speaker 2: He's like the teacher's pet. 46 00:02:20,544 --> 00:02:22,784 Speaker 1: It's like he thinks he's in the FBI or something. 47 00:02:22,904 --> 00:02:23,624 Speaker 1: I love this guy. 48 00:02:23,664 --> 00:02:25,424 Speaker 2: There's going to be a TV show about this wild 49 00:02:25,424 --> 00:02:27,144 Speaker 2: police office highwayman. 50 00:02:27,544 --> 00:02:30,864 Speaker 1: So aside from that, Justin Timberlake's mugshot, it's taken on 51 00:02:30,864 --> 00:02:33,864 Speaker 1: a life of its own. It's now available to view 52 00:02:34,264 --> 00:02:37,024 Speaker 1: in a Hampton's gallery in the town where he was arrested. 53 00:02:37,384 --> 00:02:40,504 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's been told to you like I'm like, 54 00:02:40,504 --> 00:02:43,584 Speaker 1: it's straight quality. It's been turned into a limited edition artwork, 55 00:02:43,624 --> 00:02:47,144 Speaker 1: which apparently you can purchase in many different a limited edition. 56 00:02:47,224 --> 00:02:49,864 Speaker 1: We all have it. No, but this artist who has 57 00:02:50,184 --> 00:02:52,744 Speaker 1: I guess printed about and put different color escapes and 58 00:02:52,744 --> 00:02:55,704 Speaker 1: things around them. They retail at five hundred and twenty dollars. 59 00:02:55,904 --> 00:02:57,824 Speaker 1: I do think we should get one for the Spells 60 00:02:57,904 --> 00:03:00,904 Speaker 1: Studio to like hang behind us and we just never 61 00:03:00,944 --> 00:03:03,544 Speaker 1: tell people what it is. So apparently it's hanging in 62 00:03:03,624 --> 00:03:06,864 Speaker 1: the Romany Calmess Gallery in sag Harbor, New York, which 63 00:03:06,904 --> 00:03:09,624 Speaker 1: is the same town where Justin Timberlake was booked, and 64 00:03:09,864 --> 00:03:13,504 Speaker 1: the owner of the art gallery is just flawed and 65 00:03:13,544 --> 00:03:17,144 Speaker 1: excited by the interest in this piece. In an interview, 66 00:03:17,184 --> 00:03:19,784 Speaker 1: they said, my reaction was, oh my god, that's great. 67 00:03:19,864 --> 00:03:22,104 Speaker 1: It's just great. And apparently there's been a line of 68 00:03:22,144 --> 00:03:25,424 Speaker 1: people outside the gallery wanting to come in and see 69 00:03:25,704 --> 00:03:29,184 Speaker 1: Justin timlikes mugshot and then purchase their very own version 70 00:03:29,224 --> 00:03:31,624 Speaker 1: for five hundred and twenty dollars and they're flying off 71 00:03:31,624 --> 00:03:32,264 Speaker 1: the shelves. 72 00:03:32,424 --> 00:03:35,504 Speaker 2: I just know that mugshot's going to be on t shirts, hats, 73 00:03:35,504 --> 00:03:37,704 Speaker 2: and people are going to wear it to his world door. 74 00:03:37,984 --> 00:03:40,024 Speaker 2: So he's just going to be looking at the sea 75 00:03:40,104 --> 00:03:42,064 Speaker 2: of his own face with every concert that he has 76 00:03:42,104 --> 00:03:42,464 Speaker 2: coming up. 77 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:44,184 Speaker 1: I know. I just think of that being like the 78 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:46,304 Speaker 1: big thing that everyone's going to see at the moment, 79 00:03:46,464 --> 00:03:49,144 Speaker 1: is lining up inside this gallery just to go and ponder. 80 00:03:49,344 --> 00:03:52,664 Speaker 1: Justin timblakes confused and has to be known for something 81 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,024 Speaker 1: well exactly, I want the Highway Man to have his 82 00:03:55,064 --> 00:03:56,104 Speaker 1: own portrait. 83 00:03:55,824 --> 00:03:56,544 Speaker 2: Next to Justine. 84 00:03:56,944 --> 00:03:58,784 Speaker 1: I spent five hundred and twenty dollars on that. So 85 00:03:58,944 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 1: Justin Timlake's on his tour at the moment, he has 86 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:05,264 Speaker 1: addressed it a little bit in between sets, basically saying 87 00:04:05,384 --> 00:04:07,704 Speaker 1: that he knows he's hard to love and he appreciates 88 00:04:08,024 --> 00:04:12,104 Speaker 1: that his fans, so anyway. And also Jessica Bale, his wife, 89 00:04:12,144 --> 00:04:13,784 Speaker 1: who everyone was kind of wondering what the full that 90 00:04:13,864 --> 00:04:14,344 Speaker 1: would be and. 91 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:16,544 Speaker 2: Why she's smiling on a TV movie set. 92 00:04:16,704 --> 00:04:18,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, when she was filming during the arrest, but she's 93 00:04:18,904 --> 00:04:21,704 Speaker 1: in in the audience, thrown back wine and dancing. So 94 00:04:21,784 --> 00:04:25,064 Speaker 1: I think those crazy kids to do it. O care Nana. 95 00:04:26,304 --> 00:04:28,664 Speaker 1: So this year one movie release has been set up 96 00:04:28,664 --> 00:04:31,904 Speaker 1: as the most controversial, and Emily and I were lucky 97 00:04:31,944 --> 00:04:33,744 Speaker 1: to have a little date night this week and go 98 00:04:33,824 --> 00:04:37,584 Speaker 1: along to a special preview screening of Kinds of Kindness. 99 00:04:37,784 --> 00:04:40,864 Speaker 2: I was so nervous going into because were you really 100 00:04:40,904 --> 00:04:43,984 Speaker 2: because I think we discussed it previously, but the film 101 00:04:44,104 --> 00:04:46,824 Speaker 2: was originally I think presented for the Sydney Film Festival, 102 00:04:46,904 --> 00:04:49,304 Speaker 2: so a lot of people in Australia, especially like film buffs, 103 00:04:49,304 --> 00:04:50,064 Speaker 2: have already seen it. 104 00:04:50,184 --> 00:04:52,584 Speaker 1: Bit sad that we're not counted as film buffs. 105 00:04:53,064 --> 00:04:55,784 Speaker 2: For some odd reason, we weren't there. 106 00:04:56,104 --> 00:04:58,104 Speaker 1: It was funny because we complained about not being invited 107 00:04:58,104 --> 00:04:59,784 Speaker 1: to that and the next day in invitation to this 108 00:04:59,944 --> 00:05:00,904 Speaker 1: dropped into my inbox. 109 00:05:00,944 --> 00:05:02,904 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I'm invited to this one, got it? 110 00:05:02,944 --> 00:05:06,904 Speaker 2: That's okay, this one's delightful, beautiful. But I heard from 111 00:05:07,064 --> 00:05:09,304 Speaker 2: like friends who are in the industry who went to 112 00:05:09,504 --> 00:05:12,104 Speaker 2: the first screen. There were so many people who were 113 00:05:12,144 --> 00:05:16,064 Speaker 2: just walking out halfway through and they were saying, and 114 00:05:16,144 --> 00:05:18,384 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound ages, but they were saying 115 00:05:18,424 --> 00:05:22,104 Speaker 2: it was older people who were walking out of the cinema. 116 00:05:22,344 --> 00:05:24,064 Speaker 1: Interesting. All right, well, we're gonna get to that part 117 00:05:24,104 --> 00:05:25,984 Speaker 1: of it because it has really added to the controversy. 118 00:05:25,984 --> 00:05:28,224 Speaker 1: But if you're not across kinds of kindness, it's a 119 00:05:28,264 --> 00:05:31,824 Speaker 1: new absurdist black comedy anthology film and it comes from 120 00:05:31,824 --> 00:05:35,064 Speaker 1: the director Yogo Slanthemus, who you know, has had so 121 00:05:35,184 --> 00:05:38,184 Speaker 1: many interesting and critically acclaimed, award winning films over the 122 00:05:38,264 --> 00:05:41,224 Speaker 1: last couple of years, most notably The Favorite and also 123 00:05:41,304 --> 00:05:44,024 Speaker 1: last year's Poor Things, which was a huge contender at 124 00:05:44,064 --> 00:05:47,224 Speaker 1: the Oscars. Both of those movies starred Emma Stone and 125 00:05:47,224 --> 00:05:50,464 Speaker 1: they have a very collaborative working relationship, and Emma Stone 126 00:05:50,544 --> 00:05:53,784 Speaker 1: also stars in this movie along with Jesse Plemmons, William Dafoe, 127 00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:57,984 Speaker 1: market Quley. Friend of the Pod or Enemy of the pod. No, 128 00:05:58,264 --> 00:06:01,024 Speaker 1: we love her that friend crazy like that crazy girl, 129 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:04,704 Speaker 1: Hong Chow, Joe Alwin, Mama Do Athi, and Hunter Schaefer. 130 00:06:05,264 --> 00:06:08,224 Speaker 1: So huge cars, yeah, huge cars. And what it basically 131 00:06:08,384 --> 00:06:12,264 Speaker 1: is is three different stories with the same car, so 132 00:06:12,424 --> 00:06:15,064 Speaker 1: like an anthology, but within the same movie. It is 133 00:06:15,104 --> 00:06:17,504 Speaker 1: almost a three hour writing time. I was okay with 134 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,064 Speaker 1: it because I loved it so much, but I feel 135 00:06:19,064 --> 00:06:20,784 Speaker 1: like that's just a warning to anyone going to see 136 00:06:20,824 --> 00:06:21,464 Speaker 1: it in the cinema. 137 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:24,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a pee beforehand, and you might. 138 00:06:23,944 --> 00:06:27,384 Speaker 1: Also, but also you can't leave. You can't leave with me. 139 00:06:27,424 --> 00:06:31,344 Speaker 2: Again, like probably like a minute gap between each like section. 140 00:06:31,584 --> 00:06:33,824 Speaker 2: But even then, like as the credits were playing after 141 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:36,664 Speaker 2: the first section, in the second section, there were still 142 00:06:36,704 --> 00:06:39,504 Speaker 2: like things happening, like in the background, so you were 143 00:06:39,584 --> 00:06:41,144 Speaker 2: kind of missing a lot if you went to the 144 00:06:41,144 --> 00:06:41,984 Speaker 2: bar exactly. 145 00:06:42,104 --> 00:06:43,864 Speaker 1: I couldn't tear my eyes, so I was like, no 146 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:46,384 Speaker 1: matter what's happening, I'm not leaving this chair until this 147 00:06:46,464 --> 00:06:48,824 Speaker 1: movie is over in the cinema, because we couldn't. 148 00:06:48,544 --> 00:06:50,584 Speaker 2: Record ourselves while we were watching it, because the amount 149 00:06:50,624 --> 00:06:52,544 Speaker 2: of times I whispered, what the fuck? 150 00:06:53,344 --> 00:06:55,024 Speaker 1: My favorite thing to do when I'm watching a movie 151 00:06:55,064 --> 00:06:56,664 Speaker 1: together is like I want to look at the screen, 152 00:06:56,704 --> 00:06:58,864 Speaker 1: but I also just want to watch em and your 153 00:06:58,904 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 1: reactions because you're on the floor, it's on stage, or 154 00:07:01,064 --> 00:07:03,464 Speaker 1: your hands over your face, like what is going on? 155 00:07:03,704 --> 00:07:06,184 Speaker 1: So basically, it's three different stories that have a very 156 00:07:06,224 --> 00:07:12,624 Speaker 1: similar through line around consent and and control. I don't 157 00:07:12,624 --> 00:07:15,024 Speaker 1: even know how it explain this movie to people, but 158 00:07:15,064 --> 00:07:17,864 Speaker 1: it's three little mini movies together, and it's got the 159 00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:21,744 Speaker 1: same cast throughout. And it's called an absurdist black comedy, 160 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:23,344 Speaker 1: and I think that kind of is the very best 161 00:07:23,384 --> 00:07:26,904 Speaker 1: way to describe it. Because you're seeing group sex, you're 162 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:32,824 Speaker 1: seeing rape, you're seeing cannibalism, you're seeing extensive violence and gore. 163 00:07:33,104 --> 00:07:34,704 Speaker 1: I don't think this is over the top, as people 164 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:37,464 Speaker 1: are pointing out. I think it's maybe just because there 165 00:07:37,504 --> 00:07:40,824 Speaker 1: are these moments of like intense humor and then these 166 00:07:40,864 --> 00:07:43,264 Speaker 1: moments of darkness. I think it's also meant to be 167 00:07:43,304 --> 00:07:47,304 Speaker 1: a very uncomfortable experience. The only time music really comes 168 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:49,784 Speaker 1: into these moments where it signals that something terrible is 169 00:07:49,824 --> 00:07:51,744 Speaker 1: about to happen. There's no music just playing in the 170 00:07:51,744 --> 00:07:55,224 Speaker 1: background to ease it, and it's putting these characters in 171 00:07:55,304 --> 00:07:58,744 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable positions. But the reason it's so controversial is 172 00:07:58,784 --> 00:08:01,184 Speaker 1: the setup. When it debuted at the carn Film Festival 173 00:08:01,264 --> 00:08:04,464 Speaker 1: in May of this year, and there were so many 174 00:08:04,544 --> 00:08:07,224 Speaker 1: reasons why it was making headlines. Obviously, coming off the 175 00:08:07,224 --> 00:08:09,744 Speaker 1: back of Poor Things being such a success and Emma 176 00:08:09,824 --> 00:08:13,224 Speaker 1: Stone winning Best Actress of the Oscars, people were so 177 00:08:13,304 --> 00:08:15,624 Speaker 1: excited to see the follow up of her working with 178 00:08:15,664 --> 00:08:19,624 Speaker 1: the same director. But from the press conference at the 179 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:22,264 Speaker 1: film festival, things started to go, all right, don't know 180 00:08:22,264 --> 00:08:24,984 Speaker 1: how much of this you saw. So Jesse Plemmons is 181 00:08:25,024 --> 00:08:27,104 Speaker 1: the star of the film, and I think after us 182 00:08:27,144 --> 00:08:30,064 Speaker 1: seeing that, we can see it's his movie and he 183 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 1: plays three very different characters throughout the movie, he's excellent 184 00:08:34,184 --> 00:08:36,504 Speaker 1: in it. And I think coming into this there was 185 00:08:36,544 --> 00:08:38,064 Speaker 1: so much like this is the biggest movie of the 186 00:08:38,104 --> 00:08:42,144 Speaker 1: kind film festival, all star car Star director, Jesse Plemmons, 187 00:08:42,224 --> 00:08:44,904 Speaker 1: he's the face of it. This is his moment, and 188 00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,664 Speaker 1: that the press conference basically no one asked him a question. 189 00:08:48,224 --> 00:08:51,464 Speaker 1: No because everyone and I guess, look what do they know? 190 00:08:51,544 --> 00:08:53,464 Speaker 1: That he was the star? Yeah. Look, I don't want 191 00:08:53,464 --> 00:08:55,824 Speaker 1: to say anything bad about my fellow reporters because I 192 00:08:55,944 --> 00:08:57,624 Speaker 1: understand that you know, you got to get the story. 193 00:08:57,624 --> 00:08:59,064 Speaker 1: You got to ask what you think the audience will 194 00:08:59,104 --> 00:09:01,304 Speaker 1: be interested in, and especially the film festival like this, 195 00:09:01,344 --> 00:09:03,024 Speaker 1: at a movie like this that has seen as so 196 00:09:03,304 --> 00:09:06,584 Speaker 1: over the top and controversial that you want to get 197 00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:10,624 Speaker 1: these really intense, interesting responses. So all the questions being 198 00:09:10,664 --> 00:09:13,144 Speaker 1: directed just to Emma Stone. 199 00:09:12,624 --> 00:09:16,104 Speaker 2: Who I would argue is like the bigger name in Hollywood. 200 00:09:15,784 --> 00:09:17,944 Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent, she's the bigger name. And also 201 00:09:17,944 --> 00:09:19,624 Speaker 1: coming off the back of the oscars and stuff, you know, 202 00:09:19,744 --> 00:09:22,144 Speaker 1: she's wearing the glitzy gowns and stuff. But she was 203 00:09:22,184 --> 00:09:24,744 Speaker 1: being peppered during the press conference with these intense questions 204 00:09:24,744 --> 00:09:26,944 Speaker 1: about the sex scenes, which are part of the story, 205 00:09:26,944 --> 00:09:28,384 Speaker 1: but you know, after watching it now we know and 206 00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:30,424 Speaker 1: not the whole story. And after a while she was 207 00:09:30,424 --> 00:09:32,264 Speaker 1: getting very bewildered and she's not to say and she 208 00:09:32,304 --> 00:09:33,504 Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm an actress and it was in 209 00:09:33,504 --> 00:09:34,984 Speaker 1: the script, like I don't know what you guys want 210 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:37,304 Speaker 1: me to say. And then Margaret Quwley had to jump 211 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,384 Speaker 1: in after also not being asked a question, no one 212 00:09:39,424 --> 00:09:41,504 Speaker 1: talking to her, and me like does anyone like my hat? 213 00:09:41,504 --> 00:09:43,784 Speaker 1: Because she was wearing a big, massive hat and everyone laughed, 214 00:09:43,784 --> 00:09:45,384 Speaker 1: and that was the press conference for the movie. 215 00:09:45,624 --> 00:09:47,424 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds like a design. 216 00:09:47,584 --> 00:09:49,744 Speaker 1: Jesse Plemmons did win Best Actor, so I feel like 217 00:09:49,784 --> 00:09:51,504 Speaker 1: it was fine, But I just think that's such a 218 00:09:51,864 --> 00:09:53,864 Speaker 1: setup for what people thought the movie was going to be. 219 00:09:53,904 --> 00:09:56,464 Speaker 2: It's also so unfortunate because I know that now when 220 00:09:56,464 --> 00:09:58,624 Speaker 2: there's reporters see that movie, they're going to regret all 221 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:00,584 Speaker 2: the questions that they missed asking. 222 00:10:00,504 --> 00:10:02,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's one of those movies that when I 223 00:10:02,224 --> 00:10:04,064 Speaker 1: finished watching it, and I should say, I just love 224 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,024 Speaker 1: this movie so much. I can't stop thinking about it. 225 00:10:06,144 --> 00:10:08,824 Speaker 1: I thought it was such an amazing experience to watch 226 00:10:09,224 --> 00:10:11,984 Speaker 1: in a cinema. I was like challenging and interesting, and 227 00:10:12,024 --> 00:10:14,304 Speaker 1: I was each time a story started, because each one 228 00:10:14,344 --> 00:10:16,904 Speaker 1: has its own little mystery. It's almost like mini Black 229 00:10:16,904 --> 00:10:18,344 Speaker 1: Mirror episodes or something. 230 00:10:18,424 --> 00:10:20,144 Speaker 2: It's very similar to Black Mirror. 231 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:20,424 Speaker 1: Like. 232 00:10:20,544 --> 00:10:23,864 Speaker 2: As we said, they had like an overarching theme, which 233 00:10:23,984 --> 00:10:27,144 Speaker 2: in my opinion, was how far human beings will go 234 00:10:27,184 --> 00:10:29,904 Speaker 2: to feel love and acceptance. Yes, and that was evident 235 00:10:29,904 --> 00:10:33,184 Speaker 2: throughout all three sections, but each individual section was a 236 00:10:33,184 --> 00:10:36,464 Speaker 2: completely different story, and the characters had their names change 237 00:10:36,584 --> 00:10:38,744 Speaker 2: or playing different people except for one and I don't 238 00:10:38,744 --> 00:10:40,464 Speaker 2: want to spoil it. There was one character that stayed 239 00:10:40,504 --> 00:10:42,584 Speaker 2: the same throughout and you might not even pick it up, 240 00:10:43,024 --> 00:10:43,544 Speaker 2: but it. 241 00:10:43,504 --> 00:10:45,184 Speaker 1: Was an end credit scene. It's very marveled. 242 00:10:45,184 --> 00:10:47,064 Speaker 2: It was so brilliant. And I'm one of those people 243 00:10:47,064 --> 00:10:49,744 Speaker 2: who I do get quite frustrated at these like quote 244 00:10:49,824 --> 00:10:53,544 Speaker 2: unquote quirky movies, because I'm very much like cinema needs 245 00:10:53,584 --> 00:10:55,624 Speaker 2: to be like a simple story. I want to have 246 00:10:55,744 --> 00:10:58,304 Speaker 2: my handheld taken through. This beautiful story needs to have 247 00:10:58,344 --> 00:11:00,304 Speaker 2: a beginning, middle, and end. And this one was just 248 00:11:00,344 --> 00:11:03,304 Speaker 2: so all over the place. It was like very similar 249 00:11:03,384 --> 00:11:07,024 Speaker 2: to Poor Things, except way more out there and more wacky. 250 00:11:07,544 --> 00:11:10,624 Speaker 2: But it was the first movie in that style that 251 00:11:10,864 --> 00:11:12,184 Speaker 2: I absolutely loved. 252 00:11:12,624 --> 00:11:14,944 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And coming up next we need to get 253 00:11:14,944 --> 00:11:17,544 Speaker 1: into more of the controversy coming from a director point 254 00:11:17,544 --> 00:11:22,384 Speaker 1: of view, Poor Joe Alwyn and a few walkouts. So 255 00:11:22,424 --> 00:11:24,304 Speaker 1: one of the other reasons that you and I were 256 00:11:24,424 --> 00:11:26,624 Speaker 1: excited but a little bit nervous about seeing this movie 257 00:11:26,664 --> 00:11:28,904 Speaker 1: is that we had heard so much about the walkouts, 258 00:11:28,944 --> 00:11:31,704 Speaker 1: not just in the Sydney Film Festival, but starting off 259 00:11:31,744 --> 00:11:34,664 Speaker 1: at the can Film Festival. When at premiere, because apparently 260 00:11:34,664 --> 00:11:36,704 Speaker 1: there were quite a few walkouts, and you got to 261 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:40,064 Speaker 1: think that's prestige, that's the film industry. That's like, you know, 262 00:11:40,344 --> 00:11:42,464 Speaker 1: the people who were very much in this world. And 263 00:11:42,504 --> 00:11:45,424 Speaker 1: so it would take a lot to have people walk 264 00:11:45,464 --> 00:11:47,664 Speaker 1: out of a movie when you're at a film festival 265 00:11:48,064 --> 00:11:51,384 Speaker 1: of that high caliber with the cast and creators, director, writer, 266 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:54,464 Speaker 1: everyone in the room with you. You've traveled to this 267 00:11:54,584 --> 00:11:56,984 Speaker 1: place to see this movie. Yeah, it's such a big 268 00:11:57,024 --> 00:11:58,744 Speaker 1: deal to walk out. So the fact that people were 269 00:11:58,784 --> 00:12:00,024 Speaker 1: walking out of the can film. 270 00:11:59,944 --> 00:12:01,864 Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. It's because I feel like that's 271 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:03,944 Speaker 2: not even like a walkout of just like I didn't 272 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:06,184 Speaker 2: like the movie, But you're making a full statement saying 273 00:12:06,264 --> 00:12:07,304 Speaker 2: this movie is actually bad. 274 00:12:07,384 --> 00:12:09,064 Speaker 1: It's not someone who wandered into a cineera on a 275 00:12:09,064 --> 00:12:10,904 Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon because I wanted to kick or some time. 276 00:12:10,944 --> 00:12:13,384 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, I didn't sign up for cannibalism and 277 00:12:13,464 --> 00:12:16,064 Speaker 1: Joe Allen's hand being blown off and Jesse Plummer's trying 278 00:12:16,104 --> 00:12:19,664 Speaker 1: to eat it a favorit spoiler spoiler for a great 279 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:21,744 Speaker 1: part of the movie. But yes, people walked out of 280 00:12:21,784 --> 00:12:25,584 Speaker 1: their carn premiere. Apparently the actors and also Yogos Lanthemus 281 00:12:25,624 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 1: didn't take it very well because it only got a 282 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:31,344 Speaker 1: four point five minute I think standing ovation, which because 283 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:34,544 Speaker 1: was there, well, no, because Yorgus just walked out and 284 00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:38,304 Speaker 1: the cast quickly followed him without any speeches or talking 285 00:12:38,344 --> 00:12:41,024 Speaker 1: to audience members. And I think people set that up 286 00:12:41,104 --> 00:12:43,784 Speaker 1: as a reason why this movie would be so controversial. 287 00:12:44,024 --> 00:12:46,024 Speaker 1: In a way, obviously, it kind of adds to the 288 00:12:46,024 --> 00:12:48,544 Speaker 1: publicity around it and gets people excited, like you want 289 00:12:48,584 --> 00:12:50,904 Speaker 1: to go see what people are so upset about that 290 00:12:50,904 --> 00:12:54,224 Speaker 1: they're leaving the cinema for. But then in our screening 291 00:12:54,264 --> 00:12:56,184 Speaker 1: and I was watching, I kept looking around. It such 292 00:12:56,184 --> 00:12:58,584 Speaker 1: a huge cinema two and I kept looking around waiting 293 00:12:58,624 --> 00:13:00,704 Speaker 1: and like, no one's leaving, no one's leaving. And then 294 00:13:00,824 --> 00:13:02,544 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like quite a few people started 295 00:13:02,544 --> 00:13:05,704 Speaker 1: standing up leaving after the second story, which was my 296 00:13:05,784 --> 00:13:07,864 Speaker 1: favorite out of them. And then I leaned over and 297 00:13:07,864 --> 00:13:09,904 Speaker 1: I'm nudging Emily in these big reclined chairs. I'm like, 298 00:13:09,984 --> 00:13:12,144 Speaker 1: it's that I was so focused on the screen that 299 00:13:12,184 --> 00:13:12,784 Speaker 1: you nudgin me. 300 00:13:12,864 --> 00:13:14,384 Speaker 2: I was like, can you stop? And then I was like, 301 00:13:14,384 --> 00:13:15,584 Speaker 2: oh my god, people are leaving. 302 00:13:16,304 --> 00:13:18,624 Speaker 1: I also like, why is Laura hitting my shoulder? I'm 303 00:13:18,664 --> 00:13:20,344 Speaker 1: like it's happening. Those people are leaving. 304 00:13:20,784 --> 00:13:22,624 Speaker 2: We need to remember this with this film. I also 305 00:13:22,744 --> 00:13:26,544 Speaker 2: heard someone snoring. What, Yes, someone was snoring, like. 306 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:27,544 Speaker 1: Way back. 307 00:13:29,224 --> 00:13:30,624 Speaker 2: To the point where I was like, because it was 308 00:13:30,664 --> 00:13:32,664 Speaker 2: such a quirky film, I'm like, oh, this is part 309 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:35,464 Speaker 2: of it, like this is some cinematic experience. And then 310 00:13:35,744 --> 00:13:38,544 Speaker 2: like the second part finished and I could still hear 311 00:13:38,544 --> 00:13:40,064 Speaker 2: the story and I was like, oh, no, someone's asleep. 312 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:41,864 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can sleep through a movie 313 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:42,544 Speaker 1: like that. 314 00:13:42,544 --> 00:13:44,664 Speaker 2: That person needs to be studying. If they're sleeping through 315 00:13:44,704 --> 00:13:46,344 Speaker 2: a film like that, you need to be studying. 316 00:13:46,544 --> 00:13:49,984 Speaker 1: Okay, if anyone checked, the moment's still there. But yes, 317 00:13:50,104 --> 00:13:52,944 Speaker 1: I was the only like five or six people walked out. 318 00:13:53,224 --> 00:13:55,424 Speaker 1: It's not that bad. Also, it was like a big 319 00:13:55,424 --> 00:13:58,904 Speaker 1: group of them, Yeah, a couple of different people. 320 00:13:58,984 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 2: It was a week night. Maybe they had to go. 321 00:14:01,024 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 2: It was like cook dinner. 322 00:14:02,304 --> 00:14:04,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Also because it does make you confront 323 00:14:04,784 --> 00:14:07,824 Speaker 1: these things. Like Emma Stone plays the female lead through 324 00:14:08,144 --> 00:14:09,984 Speaker 1: the three stories, there's also a lot of other really 325 00:14:10,064 --> 00:14:12,824 Speaker 1: interesting seeing female characters in it, and a lot of 326 00:14:12,824 --> 00:14:16,824 Speaker 1: it is to do with discussion around power and coercion 327 00:14:17,144 --> 00:14:21,104 Speaker 1: and a lot of that. Unfortunately, manifests in sexual assault, 328 00:14:21,384 --> 00:14:22,664 Speaker 1: rape control. 329 00:14:23,144 --> 00:14:26,864 Speaker 2: It's also quite gruesome. It's like, gru don't forced abortion, 330 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:30,784 Speaker 2: Like there's no warning either, Like you suddenly see it, 331 00:14:30,824 --> 00:14:33,664 Speaker 2: like there's no like it's gonna happen. It's like suddenly 332 00:14:33,704 --> 00:14:34,224 Speaker 2: in your face. 333 00:14:34,304 --> 00:14:37,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so. But I think it's really interesting storytelling. 334 00:14:37,424 --> 00:14:40,024 Speaker 1: But I just find it interesting that it's come out 335 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:42,424 Speaker 1: of like people are saying, Emma Stone needs to get 336 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:44,264 Speaker 1: away from your girst and this isn't helping her, And 337 00:14:44,304 --> 00:14:46,064 Speaker 1: I was like, she just wanted Oscar. I think she's 338 00:14:46,064 --> 00:14:48,944 Speaker 1: doing okay, and this is obviously the work she wants 339 00:14:48,984 --> 00:14:51,264 Speaker 1: to do. She's teamed up with this director so many times. 340 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:54,464 Speaker 1: Jesse Plemons will probably get an Oscar nomination, if not 341 00:14:54,504 --> 00:14:57,704 Speaker 1: win an Oscar for this, and so that's huge for him. 342 00:14:58,144 --> 00:15:00,024 Speaker 1: One thing I thought was interesting is that there's two 343 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:02,264 Speaker 1: people in the cast who aren't in the movie that much, 344 00:15:02,304 --> 00:15:04,104 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of hype and a lot 345 00:15:04,144 --> 00:15:06,384 Speaker 1: of press around them being in it. One is Hunter 346 00:15:06,424 --> 00:15:09,024 Speaker 1: Schaefer from Euphoria. She's not in it a lot, but 347 00:15:09,064 --> 00:15:11,424 Speaker 1: I actually think that just being this type of movie 348 00:15:11,464 --> 00:15:14,024 Speaker 1: and like her, she's quite seen stealing in that moment 349 00:15:14,144 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 1: is great for her career, which brings us to poor 350 00:15:16,784 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 1: Joe Alwen. 351 00:15:18,144 --> 00:15:20,424 Speaker 2: Yeah. See the thing is is, I wouldn't have even 352 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 2: realized Joe Allen was in this movie if he didn't 353 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:25,384 Speaker 2: they Taylor. 354 00:15:25,104 --> 00:15:27,224 Speaker 1: Swift, and again like, I don't feel that sorry for him, 355 00:15:27,224 --> 00:15:29,744 Speaker 1: Like he's doing it okay, doesn't anyone's pity. I just 356 00:15:29,744 --> 00:15:32,864 Speaker 1: think it's an interesting turn of events that when their 357 00:15:32,904 --> 00:15:35,384 Speaker 1: news that he and Taylor Sift had broken up came 358 00:15:35,944 --> 00:15:38,064 Speaker 1: just as like the hype and the press for this 359 00:15:38,144 --> 00:15:40,944 Speaker 1: movie was really kicking off. So there were all these 360 00:15:40,984 --> 00:15:44,104 Speaker 1: stories around how Taylor Swift and Emma Stone are really 361 00:15:44,104 --> 00:15:47,064 Speaker 1: good friends, they have been friends for decades. There's a song, 362 00:15:47,184 --> 00:15:48,944 Speaker 1: you know, when Emma falls in Love, which is meant 363 00:15:48,944 --> 00:15:51,904 Speaker 1: to be hooked off Emma Stone. And then it also 364 00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:55,384 Speaker 1: came out that Emma and Joe were in this intense, 365 00:15:55,744 --> 00:15:58,144 Speaker 1: gory sex movie together and it always meant it scene 366 00:15:58,144 --> 00:16:00,504 Speaker 1: because obviously hadn't seen it then, and that all the wild, 367 00:16:00,504 --> 00:16:02,864 Speaker 1: gory sex scenes were between them, And it's really only 368 00:16:02,944 --> 00:16:05,064 Speaker 1: one of the stories that they share the screen, and 369 00:16:05,104 --> 00:16:07,264 Speaker 1: there are some pretty intense scenes between them, but it's 370 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:10,824 Speaker 1: not it's not a sexy role. Let's just say it upsetting, 371 00:16:11,064 --> 00:16:13,864 Speaker 1: don't outwand like he's very much a supporting character, and 372 00:16:13,944 --> 00:16:16,224 Speaker 1: I think that maybe he's getting a bit picked apart 373 00:16:16,304 --> 00:16:19,584 Speaker 1: because this is his first big movie after the Taylor 374 00:16:19,624 --> 00:16:21,704 Speaker 1: Swift news every kind of inning. 375 00:16:21,704 --> 00:16:23,904 Speaker 2: He had to talk about his breakup for the promo for. 376 00:16:23,864 --> 00:16:26,824 Speaker 1: The exactly, and I think that more people are interested 377 00:16:26,864 --> 00:16:28,424 Speaker 1: in doing interviews with him, Like I think he was 378 00:16:28,464 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: one of the top interview requests. Everyone wanted to talk 379 00:16:30,944 --> 00:16:33,984 Speaker 1: to him because of Taylor Swift, not because of Taylor Swift, 380 00:16:33,984 --> 00:16:36,224 Speaker 1: because of their relationship, breakup and all that sort of stuff, 381 00:16:36,264 --> 00:16:37,904 Speaker 1: like it's something neither of them can control. At this 382 00:16:37,944 --> 00:16:40,104 Speaker 1: point in time. I just think like he's been set 383 00:16:40,184 --> 00:16:41,824 Speaker 1: up in a strange way where he's got this small 384 00:16:41,864 --> 00:16:44,824 Speaker 1: supporting part with a free really strong scenes in this 385 00:16:44,864 --> 00:16:48,784 Speaker 1: big ensemble, amazing movie, and it's been ridiculed to you know, 386 00:16:48,824 --> 00:16:51,544 Speaker 1: he had to talk about his breakup, and now people 387 00:16:51,584 --> 00:16:53,784 Speaker 1: if they're going to watch this movie to try and 388 00:16:53,824 --> 00:16:56,024 Speaker 1: see these wild sex scenes between him and Emma, those 389 00:16:56,064 --> 00:16:56,824 Speaker 1: scenes aren't there. 390 00:16:57,104 --> 00:16:57,384 Speaker 2: Yeah. 391 00:16:57,424 --> 00:17:00,424 Speaker 1: It's almost like how when Conversations with Friends came out 392 00:17:00,464 --> 00:17:03,224 Speaker 1: after normal people and everyone was like, Taylor Swift's boyfriend 393 00:17:03,264 --> 00:17:04,784 Speaker 1: is in the next normal people. This is going to 394 00:17:04,824 --> 00:17:07,384 Speaker 1: be amazing. And then that wasn't a strong part and 395 00:17:07,424 --> 00:17:09,704 Speaker 1: his performance wasn't good, but there was much more of 396 00:17:09,744 --> 00:17:11,024 Speaker 1: a spotlight on it. 397 00:17:10,944 --> 00:17:14,344 Speaker 2: Because everyone knows him as being Taylor Swift's ex boyfriend 398 00:17:14,824 --> 00:17:17,344 Speaker 2: who is an actor, rather than knowing him as an actor. 399 00:17:17,544 --> 00:17:20,624 Speaker 2: So we're all coming in expecting like this massive, like 400 00:17:20,784 --> 00:17:23,464 Speaker 2: acting gig for him, and he was a supporting actor, 401 00:17:23,544 --> 00:17:25,944 Speaker 2: and we never criticize supporting actors the same way we 402 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:28,624 Speaker 2: do with main actors, and it's just so unfair for 403 00:17:28,744 --> 00:17:31,384 Speaker 2: him that he is just in this like little supporting role, 404 00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:34,784 Speaker 2: which I personally thought he was great at, but with 405 00:17:34,904 --> 00:17:37,984 Speaker 2: that whole like overarching lens of him being so big 406 00:17:37,984 --> 00:17:40,624 Speaker 2: in my eyes after the Taylor Swift breakup, I did 407 00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:41,584 Speaker 2: expect more. 408 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:44,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So again he's doing okay. But 409 00:17:44,384 --> 00:17:46,264 Speaker 1: there is a scene where he kind of gets hurt 410 00:17:46,304 --> 00:17:48,784 Speaker 1: quite badly, and everyone the audience laughed and it's not 411 00:17:48,824 --> 00:17:50,864 Speaker 1: a funny scene. They were just laughing at Joe Alwen 412 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:52,864 Speaker 1: being hurt and I was like, well that's a that's 413 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:53,544 Speaker 1: a real choice. 414 00:17:53,624 --> 00:17:56,024 Speaker 2: I was laughing because it was so crazy, Like I 415 00:17:56,064 --> 00:18:00,264 Speaker 2: was literally like, this is insane. Coming back to Yogas 416 00:18:00,504 --> 00:18:04,784 Speaker 2: leaving the Cahn Festival. I found that really interesting because 417 00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:07,224 Speaker 2: I was recently talking to a few of the girls 418 00:18:07,264 --> 00:18:09,144 Speaker 2: who work here at mam Mia, and we were talking 419 00:18:09,184 --> 00:18:13,904 Speaker 2: about how so many male directors can make these massive, 420 00:18:14,104 --> 00:18:19,704 Speaker 2: like quote unquote quirky, huge cinema pieces, and they're seen 421 00:18:19,704 --> 00:18:23,784 Speaker 2: as like geniuses and like amazing artists, but we rarely 422 00:18:23,784 --> 00:18:26,224 Speaker 2: see the same happen for women. Like the only example 423 00:18:26,264 --> 00:18:30,464 Speaker 2: I could really find was Emerald Fennel, who directed Saltburn 424 00:18:30,504 --> 00:18:33,864 Speaker 2: and Promising Young Women, And she's the only example I 425 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:36,584 Speaker 2: could see as a woman director who creates these kind 426 00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:39,984 Speaker 2: of similar level of like really quirky, like doesn't have 427 00:18:40,024 --> 00:18:42,344 Speaker 2: a linear storyline, like a bit out there, like you 428 00:18:42,344 --> 00:18:44,584 Speaker 2: don't know what to expect kind of film. And I 429 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:49,024 Speaker 2: always wonder if it's because women are so underrepresented in 430 00:18:49,184 --> 00:18:52,224 Speaker 2: the directing space that they are kind of pulling it 431 00:18:52,304 --> 00:18:54,624 Speaker 2: back from going all the way out there to make 432 00:18:54,664 --> 00:18:57,824 Speaker 2: these big, grandular movies. Or is it because that they 433 00:18:57,864 --> 00:19:00,784 Speaker 2: are making these big, grandular movies, well, because they're underrepresented, 434 00:19:00,904 --> 00:19:01,944 Speaker 2: we're just not seeing them. 435 00:19:02,144 --> 00:19:04,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting question. It's hard because it's 436 00:19:04,664 --> 00:19:06,824 Speaker 1: so hard to put poor things in Saltburn in the 437 00:19:06,864 --> 00:19:09,264 Speaker 1: same kind of space in the theater and how we 438 00:19:09,304 --> 00:19:10,904 Speaker 1: talk about them. But I guess in a way, like 439 00:19:10,944 --> 00:19:13,624 Speaker 1: they're both movies that have a very specific style. They 440 00:19:13,624 --> 00:19:15,744 Speaker 1: both took a big swing in some ways. They both 441 00:19:15,744 --> 00:19:18,944 Speaker 1: have these ensemble casts, but I guess one is written 442 00:19:18,944 --> 00:19:20,944 Speaker 1: off like Saltburn's written off as being a bit more 443 00:19:20,984 --> 00:19:24,584 Speaker 1: of a gimmick or a silliness to it because in 444 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 1: some ways it was overly heavy handed, or because it 445 00:19:26,784 --> 00:19:29,064 Speaker 1: had the shock factor. I would say that kinds of 446 00:19:29,144 --> 00:19:31,744 Speaker 1: Kindness has like way more shocking moments, but I don't 447 00:19:31,744 --> 00:19:35,024 Speaker 1: think they'll become these kind of big viral stories the 448 00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:37,464 Speaker 1: way that Saltburn did. It's hard to say because I 449 00:19:37,504 --> 00:19:40,784 Speaker 1: think there's always with female directors, there's such a trope 450 00:19:40,784 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 1: of them being like overly wrapped up in their projects. 451 00:19:43,624 --> 00:19:45,944 Speaker 1: Like if you look at like someone like Olivia Wilde, like, yeah, 452 00:19:46,064 --> 00:19:48,944 Speaker 1: Book Smart came out, that's a phenomenal movie. Her direction 453 00:19:49,064 --> 00:19:51,944 Speaker 1: in that, especially for a first time director, was sensational. 454 00:19:52,544 --> 00:19:54,584 Speaker 1: Nothing really kind of was made of that, and then 455 00:19:54,624 --> 00:19:57,544 Speaker 1: because the whole don't Worry Darling mess, she was seen 456 00:19:57,624 --> 00:20:00,064 Speaker 1: as someone who was too emotional to be a director. 457 00:20:00,184 --> 00:20:02,504 Speaker 2: It's like their name is always attached to their art, 458 00:20:02,664 --> 00:20:04,904 Speaker 2: whereas male directors can get away with the art being 459 00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:06,584 Speaker 2: a stand alone separate from their name. 460 00:20:06,744 --> 00:20:08,744 Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think that male directors are allowed to 461 00:20:08,744 --> 00:20:11,624 Speaker 1: be seen the same way as male desire over female actors. 462 00:20:11,704 --> 00:20:14,344 Speaker 1: Is that they're allowed to be seen as more intense 463 00:20:14,344 --> 00:20:16,504 Speaker 1: and emotional because it can be written off as like 464 00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:19,784 Speaker 1: genius or creativity, whereas women are still seen as like 465 00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:22,144 Speaker 1: a bit difficult in that way, like. 466 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,744 Speaker 2: Wow, she must have gone through something crazy to like, yeah, 467 00:20:24,784 --> 00:20:25,224 Speaker 2: make that. 468 00:20:25,184 --> 00:20:28,504 Speaker 1: Scene exactly, or you have all these like super successful 469 00:20:28,504 --> 00:20:30,784 Speaker 1: female directors like a Nancy Myers or someone who always 470 00:20:30,784 --> 00:20:32,824 Speaker 1: get asked about like the interior of their sets and 471 00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:35,944 Speaker 1: they're like, well, I actually just direct and make huge 472 00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:38,224 Speaker 1: movies that make huge amounts of money, And. 473 00:20:38,264 --> 00:20:39,704 Speaker 2: They're like, what did you eat for lunch? 474 00:20:39,904 --> 00:20:41,584 Speaker 1: Yes, on the lunch. I don't know if we should 475 00:20:41,624 --> 00:20:44,344 Speaker 1: just talk about like the kitchen. It's interesting though, because 476 00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:47,424 Speaker 1: kinds of kindness. I think like, even though like there's 477 00:20:47,424 --> 00:20:49,704 Speaker 1: both men and women behind the team, it does feel 478 00:20:49,704 --> 00:20:53,464 Speaker 1: like it's telling women's stories in such an intense, visceral 479 00:20:53,504 --> 00:20:55,824 Speaker 1: way that I don't know, Actually, it makes me think 480 00:20:55,824 --> 00:20:59,184 Speaker 1: of another Emerald Finlee movie which she is promising young women. Yeah, actually, 481 00:20:59,264 --> 00:21:00,704 Speaker 1: now that I think about it, there are so many 482 00:21:00,744 --> 00:21:04,824 Speaker 1: crossovers there with like this brutality of what happens when 483 00:21:04,824 --> 00:21:08,384 Speaker 1: you try and get revenge or try and hold men 484 00:21:08,424 --> 00:21:10,984 Speaker 1: accountable for the things that they do in this world, 485 00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:13,304 Speaker 1: and how the fallout from it is not tied up 486 00:21:13,304 --> 00:21:15,464 Speaker 1: in a bow. It's very they're like no winners at 487 00:21:15,464 --> 00:21:17,584 Speaker 1: the end. It just all ends in violence and pain, 488 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:19,344 Speaker 1: which is not a nice way to look at it, 489 00:21:19,384 --> 00:21:20,304 Speaker 1: but that's kind of. 490 00:21:20,784 --> 00:21:22,184 Speaker 2: It's kind of like what it is. 491 00:21:22,304 --> 00:21:23,064 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 492 00:21:23,104 --> 00:21:25,824 Speaker 2: It's very confronting. I will say that if you do 493 00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:30,104 Speaker 2: want to watch Kinds of Kindness, it is very gruesome 494 00:21:30,504 --> 00:21:33,504 Speaker 2: and it doesn't hold back, like it kind of takes 495 00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:36,264 Speaker 2: you away that like part of your mind thinks it's 496 00:21:36,264 --> 00:21:38,384 Speaker 2: gonna go, like it suddenly takes you there. 497 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:39,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, oh, they won't show that, it will 498 00:21:39,824 --> 00:21:41,704 Speaker 1: happen off camera, and all of a sudden, the camerack 499 00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:43,704 Speaker 1: hits to this thing of like an abortion scene or something, 500 00:21:43,744 --> 00:21:46,264 Speaker 1: and just like, oh my god. But also you needed 501 00:21:46,304 --> 00:21:48,184 Speaker 1: that there because it's a shocking thing and you should 502 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,824 Speaker 1: feel shocked in that moment. So yes, I hope we've 503 00:21:50,824 --> 00:21:52,504 Speaker 1: done a good job of selling this movie. Kinds of 504 00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:55,664 Speaker 1: Kindness coming here in Paris. I think you can. Actually, 505 00:21:55,744 --> 00:21:58,064 Speaker 1: I think that anyone, any age, you're gonna like this. 506 00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,864 Speaker 1: Like I know we were saying like we're not sure 507 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:01,744 Speaker 1: the ages of people who walked out, but I think 508 00:22:01,784 --> 00:22:03,504 Speaker 1: that this movie, you say, anyone, I think that, like, 509 00:22:03,544 --> 00:22:05,464 Speaker 1: if you're older, you probably see more shit in the world, 510 00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:07,464 Speaker 1: and this is going to resonate with you more so 511 00:22:07,584 --> 00:22:09,944 Speaker 1: Kinds of Kindness. It's coming out in Australian cinemas next 512 00:22:09,984 --> 00:22:12,864 Speaker 1: week July eleven. All we want to do is talk 513 00:22:12,904 --> 00:22:14,944 Speaker 1: about this movie. You've always thinking about the moment, So 514 00:22:14,944 --> 00:22:16,864 Speaker 1: if you guys watch us, please hit us up on 515 00:22:16,864 --> 00:22:19,144 Speaker 1: our own instagrams or the Spill Instagram with your thoughts 516 00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:21,264 Speaker 1: because I just just want to know what everyone thinks, 517 00:22:21,264 --> 00:22:22,864 Speaker 1: because I feel like everyone sees something different. 518 00:22:22,944 --> 00:22:25,504 Speaker 2: We want your theories. Thank you so much for listening 519 00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:27,744 Speaker 2: to The Spill today. If you missed any of our 520 00:22:27,784 --> 00:22:30,544 Speaker 2: episodes this week, we did a really fun one yesterday 521 00:22:30,584 --> 00:22:33,904 Speaker 2: about the world of NDAs and celebrity NDAs. It was 522 00:22:34,064 --> 00:22:36,064 Speaker 2: very juicy. We will link that one in our show 523 00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:38,424 Speaker 2: notes otherwise, we will see you back here at momama 524 00:22:38,464 --> 00:22:40,304 Speaker 2: dot com, dot are you and in your podcast feed 525 00:22:40,304 --> 00:22:41,344 Speaker 2: at three pm tomorrow. 526 00:22:41,384 --> 00:22:47,624 Speaker 1: Bye bye,