WEBVTT - The Best Outfits For ANY Age

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on. Here is an episode

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<v Speaker 2>from the Nothing to Wear archives that I think you'll love.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes an item of clothing can make you feel a

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<v Speaker 2>little ugh, but maybe that's because you are pairing it

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<v Speaker 2>with the wrong item or styling it in a dated way.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this episode, I'm joined by Leoni Barlow to

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<v Speaker 2>unpack the wardrobe tweaks we can all make to feel

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<v Speaker 2>more timeless, classic, and confident in every outfit we put

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<v Speaker 2>on at at any age. I hope you enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>laurels for spraying groundbreaking, Oh my god, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You live for fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,

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<v Speaker 2>and every week I'm going to talk to an expert

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<v Speaker 2>who is going to help us work out out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get more out of the clothes we already own

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<v Speaker 2>and tell us exactly what is and isn't worth adding

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<v Speaker 2>to our wardrobe. Today we are talking about how to

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<v Speaker 2>look timeless. We've had a bunch of listeners contact us

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<v Speaker 2>asking for tips on how to look more timeless and

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<v Speaker 2>what outfits to avoid that might be aging. Now of

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<v Speaker 2>course at nothing to wear and Mama Mia, we are

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<v Speaker 2>not agis. You can wear anything you want at any time,

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<v Speaker 2>but some people just want to know how to make

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<v Speaker 2>those little tweaks to make their outfits a bit more updated,

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<v Speaker 2>from the importance of finding the perfect fit of pants

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<v Speaker 2>to accessory details that might just need a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a tweak. Today, I'm welcoming back Leoni Barlow from

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<v Speaker 2>The Style Insider to share her key tips for looking timeless.

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<v Speaker 2>So Leoni, welcome back to the show. So glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so much. It's great to be back

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<v Speaker 1>and catch up and chat again. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been a little while. So tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>fashion item are you obsessed with right now? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a bit of a strange one for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm absolutely obsessed with bandau tops, just completely strapless

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<v Speaker 1>tops and dresses vests. I absolutely love them and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of out a character for me. But I tried

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<v Speaker 1>one on and like a mist or no, all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of different tops, so I've got one that's a stretchy

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<v Speaker 1>one and that's from Dish, which is just so easy

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<v Speaker 1>to wear. And I love wearing it underneath blazes and jackets,

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<v Speaker 1>just as a layering.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece such a tank or a cami exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what it was. I had sort

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<v Speaker 1>of tank fatigue, basically, and I needed a different option,

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<v Speaker 1>and a strapless top has been great for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm going to try that. And what trend are

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<v Speaker 2>you dipping your toe into that you thought maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>never would Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is one that I have actually dipped my toe

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<v Speaker 1>in before, back in the it was probably the nineties actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was wearing skirts and dresses over pants. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is going to divide people because you

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<v Speaker 1>either love it or hate it. And I loved it

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, and I think that I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to love it again, and certainly getting into the cooler weather,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a great way to wear some of

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<v Speaker 1>your more summary pieces and skirts and dresses into the

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<v Speaker 1>cooler weather. So I'm definitely going to be wearing skirts

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<v Speaker 1>and dresses over some of my pants and jeans.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try that too. I saw a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>image online of like a lace shift dress over some pants.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I liked it, but I liked it

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<v Speaker 2>on her, so it's something I might try.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's something you can just kind of play

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<v Speaker 1>around with at home. What I have seen with this

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<v Speaker 1>particular trend is more wide leg pants worn underneath, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what we saw back in the nineties. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of a bit of a new take on

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<v Speaker 1>an old tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and God knows, I've got enough wide leg pants

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<v Speaker 2>to make that work exactly well. Today we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the items that we might be wearing that might be

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<v Speaker 2>aging us. And of course, again before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 2>we were chatting about how we don't believe women should

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<v Speaker 2>have to adhere to any rules, and of course we

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<v Speaker 2>can wear whatever we like. But sometimes we put on

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<v Speaker 2>an outfit it makes us feel a bit frumpy or

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<v Speaker 2>we can't quite work out while we don't feel great

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<v Speaker 2>in it. So let's chat through the looks or the

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<v Speaker 2>items that might be aging us and how we can

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<v Speaker 2>change them. Leoni, let's start off with pants. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think we should avoid at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one pair of pants that I just have a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with, regardless of your age essentially, and it's pants

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<v Speaker 1>that cut you midcuffs. So the classic sort of capri pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say, pedal pushes. Is that the

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<v Speaker 2>same you go the same thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of illusion dressing and figure flattering styling, what

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<v Speaker 1>you try, or what I always try and avoid, is

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<v Speaker 1>having a hemline cutting you at your widest part. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's essentially where capris or pedal pushes cut you. They

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<v Speaker 1>cut you off midcuff, and for most of us, that's

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<v Speaker 1>just not flattering, regardless of your age. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>tend to see women over a certain age kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wearing these pants, and I think it's obviously because they're relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>they're cool, they're comfy, But there are other options that

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<v Speaker 1>are more flattering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I agree. I've seen the occasional capri or pedal

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<v Speaker 2>fishes recently. Look okay, but they're with sky high stilettos

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not wearing those. So what are we looking

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<v Speaker 2>for instead? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think it's all about where that hemline falls.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the big trends that's happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>Northern Hemisphere is the return of Bermuda pants. Bermuda shorts

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<v Speaker 1>so long the line shorts, So what I think for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously going into the cooler months, it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be easier to think about wearing shorts. But certainly

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<v Speaker 1>go for a pair of pants that are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer, so three quarters, so they're not cutting your midcalf.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Longer like an ankle grazer.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an ankle grazer very much as three quarter peer pants.

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<v Speaker 1>So something that's just definitely going to cut you off

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<v Speaker 1>at a natural part of your leg that starts to narrow,

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<v Speaker 1>so not at your widest part.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it's the pant itself a bit wider rather

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<v Speaker 2>than that sort of tight capri pedal pusher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Look, I think the pedal pushes that I see

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<v Speaker 1>that I find and feel are particularly aging. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable even saying that now I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like judging, but I think that they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be sort of baggy, elastic, caated waste and cutting

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<v Speaker 1>you off midcalf. So there are other options pairs of

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<v Speaker 1>pants that are you know, you look at your inner

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<v Speaker 1>seam as well, and just make sure that they're a

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<v Speaker 1>little more fitted.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the enseme. I know what I like,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really don't know all the technical terms. Why

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<v Speaker 2>does the end seam of our pants matter?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it basically dictates the fit of the pants. And

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<v Speaker 1>when we try on baggy loose pants that have a

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<v Speaker 1>longer end seam, they're really comfy because they don't actually

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<v Speaker 1>fit you properly. And that's the whole idea of these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of baggier style pants. They really are roomy and baggy.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I say trackies and tracksuit pants are

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<v Speaker 1>super comfy because generally that seam is a little longer.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a little bit of a trap when we're

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<v Speaker 1>going for a comfortable pant and we put something on

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<v Speaker 1>it has that longer and seem it's baggy. It's comfy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just not as flattering.

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<v Speaker 2>Either, So it's more about the seams still up under

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<v Speaker 2>the crotch. But then the leg is wide if we're

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<v Speaker 2>going for a wide leg pant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly, so they're still fitting you. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a trap that we often fall into. And

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<v Speaker 1>like me as well, I just I like to be comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you get to a certain age and

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<v Speaker 1>stage in your life that you need and deserve to

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<v Speaker 1>be comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>We're warm the uncomfortable stuff for too many decades, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard ourselves in the past, So now's the time

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<v Speaker 1>to be comfortable. But you can be comfortable and still

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<v Speaker 1>wear clothes that are well fitting. And then that's where

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of fabric comes into it as well, fabric

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<v Speaker 1>with a light stretch in it, so that you still

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<v Speaker 1>get that tailoring and a nice fit, but you get

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<v Speaker 1>draping and you still get that comfort as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I wanted to talk about the fit of our clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>because oversize is having a moment, but there's ye kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fashion oversize and then looking like you've rummaged around

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<v Speaker 2>in your husband's wardrobe, which I often do, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it looks cool and sometimes it doesn't. So how can

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<v Speaker 2>the fit of our clothes make us feel older, look older,

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<v Speaker 2>feel frumpy?

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<v Speaker 1>You're right there in saying that you know there has

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of oversized styling and trends happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that is comfortable and it's great, but

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<v Speaker 1>you do have to be careful. I think the older

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<v Speaker 1>you get as well, because like you said, it does

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<v Speaker 1>potentially skew to looking like you've rummaged around and your

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<v Speaker 1>husband or boyfriend's wardrobe. But I also think wearing some

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<v Speaker 1>of those oversized pieces can be done, like say an

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<v Speaker 1>oversized blazer, if you have more of a fitted outfit underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's about proportions and managing your proportions. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think as we get older, we tend to, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>up for comfort, and sometimes that means that we look

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<v Speaker 1>for clothes that sort of hide ourselves as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>still appreciating the fact that we've got womanly curves, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a female figure, and regardless of your size and shape,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still really important to show that off and not

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<v Speaker 1>just drape everything over yourself and try and sort of hide.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a big fan of rap dresses, aren't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge fan of rap dresses because they fit

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<v Speaker 1>your body absolutely your body, So you're going to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>that dress to fit you.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfectly, make it as tight as you like, as loose

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<v Speaker 2>as you like.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, I always think a rap dress is just

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<v Speaker 1>universally flattering. There's no one that can't wear them. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a fuller bust, it may become an idea

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<v Speaker 1>to wear maybe a chemistal underneath or something.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of your little bando tops.

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<v Speaker 1>One of your lego here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny when we talk about fit of clothes because

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<v Speaker 2>I had the opposite reaction when I was postpardon, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my body was changing, and so I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I must get back into the skinny jeans, which were

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<v Speaker 2>a thing at the time. So I went to kmut

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<v Speaker 2>and bought really tight but really stretchy skinny jeans to say, see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm fitting back into them. And it did

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<v Speaker 2>me no favors, and I was bloody uncomfortable, whereas I

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<v Speaker 2>should have just gone for something that was highlighting where

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<v Speaker 2>I felt good and not trying to face the world

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<v Speaker 2>or prove to the world that I was fitting into something.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that was particularly aging me, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>just making me feel yuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Those postpartum days are so hard hard enough as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And you do feel older in that you're not getting

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<v Speaker 2>any sleep, so you feel like one hundred year old corpse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you feel haggard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you feel haggard. Now I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the devil as in the detail, because you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about accessories, and this is scaring me because I

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<v Speaker 2>do agree accessories can make or break an outfit, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love reaching for earrings or a necklace and I've

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<v Speaker 2>literally just had the brain capacity to throw on jeans

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<v Speaker 2>and a T shirt. Talk to me about mistakes we

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<v Speaker 2>might be making with accessories.

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<v Speaker 1>Accessories are something that can, as you said, make or

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<v Speaker 1>break an outfit, and they're a really easy way just

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<v Speaker 1>to update a look. And so for me, I like

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<v Speaker 1>to keep a little bit of an eye on what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in terms of accessories. And I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>to Sydney to see my mum and was looking through

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<v Speaker 1>some of her accessories. Now, my mum is eighty and

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<v Speaker 1>she's been wearing sort of chunky beads for many, many years,

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<v Speaker 1>and we swapped out some of her chunky beads in

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<v Speaker 1>one outfit she was wearing for more finer necklaces that

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<v Speaker 1>she owned. And it's just little things like that that

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<v Speaker 1>I think can not only elevate an outfit, but just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of propel you into a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>a modern look as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not changing your whole outfit or even your top,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just that little tweak And there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>great affordable accessory brands at the moment, even you know

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<v Speaker 2>Yourzara and your H and m's are doing. Levisa does

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<v Speaker 2>great little stuff exactly. But I do want to defend.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with the chunky beads, but I'm enjoying like

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<v Speaker 2>a chunky gold or silver necklace.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, now that in my mind is different. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what I imagined in terms of, you know, chunky. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a statement gold necklace is a great idea. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just have to be a little aware

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<v Speaker 1>of how many layers you're wearing, what you're wearing, and

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of back a little bit. Like if I

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<v Speaker 1>was younger, I'd probably be able to layer up a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of statement pieces, but now that I'm closer to sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd probably just peer it back and have one statement

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<v Speaker 1>necklace not too fussy exactly, or wear chunky earrings with

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<v Speaker 1>a finer necklace.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about colors and how they can make us

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<v Speaker 2>feel a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>Colors are really important. It's the whole sort of dopamine

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<v Speaker 1>dressing thing that we I mean, I personally jumped on

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<v Speaker 1>the bandwagon and feel that when I wear something that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great color for me, I feel great. And it

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<v Speaker 1>also people respond to me better. So it's that whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Great thing is that color emotion link to it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a huge emotional link to it. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you definitely find as you age is

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<v Speaker 1>that your skin does change. And certainly for me, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing zero makeup, my skin is very ray looking,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I try something on and I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any makeup on, it can look really terrible. And so

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I always suggest that you park your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>until you perhaps have you done your hair and makeup

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<v Speaker 1>and you're ready to roll. But I think there are

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<v Speaker 1>some colors that are easier to wear than others. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's obviously dependent on your skin tone and where your

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<v Speaker 1>skin is at and your age. But I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all for getting your colors done. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great thing to do. But I do just think

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the pastly colors can make your skin

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<v Speaker 1>certainly a little wishy, washy. The light pastly colors tend

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<v Speaker 1>to skew a little bit girly, I think, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that can be a little bit of just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit jarring as.

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<v Speaker 2>You and it's a little bit costume dressing in a way, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can look a little bit costume dressing exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So what if we're afraid of color, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny because now I'm forty two, but I'm only

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<v Speaker 2>really just getting into color. But what about people that

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<v Speaker 2>are like, oh, well, I don't want the color to

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<v Speaker 2>say something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not going to go and get your colors

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<v Speaker 1>done professionally, then go into a chain store where there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be lots of color options and just put

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<v Speaker 1>the color up to your face. And that's always Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about how you feel when you look at yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in the mirror, and it's difficult to tell whether it

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<v Speaker 1>suits you or not. But that's why I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like focusing on how you feel you feel when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at yourself. The easiest way to navigate color is

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<v Speaker 1>to just go and try and not peel your colors

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<v Speaker 1>back with black, because that's generally way too harsh in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, go for whites. There's beautiful grays around this season,

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<v Speaker 2>and tans exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Or just tonal. Yeah, we're color on color, but just

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<v Speaker 1>tones of the same color family.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Proportions are key. Some people don't know their proportions.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people want to hide their proportions. And we're all

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<v Speaker 2>about celebrating what you do enjoy about your body or

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<v Speaker 2>your outfit or your clothes. So how do we consider

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<v Speaker 2>our proportions when we're getting dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a whole big topic proportions, But I I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just making sure that you create an outfit

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<v Speaker 1>that has a certain amount of balance. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>styling a woman a few months ago, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>a petite woman. She wanted to wear some wide leg

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<v Speaker 1>baggy trousers, but felt that being sort of shorter, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to be able to do that. So all

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<v Speaker 1>we needed to do was give her a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more weight on her shoulders to match the proportion of

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<v Speaker 1>the pants, just to give her entire figure a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more balanced and more modern and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more modern as well. And so it's about looking at

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<v Speaker 1>those proportions so that you create just a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>balance in an outfit. If something is too bottom heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>like wide leg pants or jeans, then don't pair a

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<v Speaker 1>chunky boot with them. Opt for something that's the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a finer, pointed toe boot. So I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>just a very easy one to remember sort of opposites

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<v Speaker 1>attract I always think yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to talk about matching out because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing everywhere on Instagram it's kind of color blocking. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's all shades of brown or all shades of gray.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about MATCHI matchie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of the MATCHI matchie is about us

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<v Speaker 1>just having a go and having a bit of fun

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<v Speaker 1>and trying something different and new. Our grandmothers and mothers

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<v Speaker 1>used to wear sort of, you know, always match your

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<v Speaker 1>shoes to your handbag, and I think that's not happening

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<v Speaker 1>quite so much. But there are definitely those little matchy

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<v Speaker 1>elements that will kind of bring an outfit together. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're wearing, say a patterned skirt, and you pick out

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<v Speaker 1>a color that's in that pattern and wear a top

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<v Speaker 1>that's got a little spot in that same color or

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<v Speaker 1>something just to sort of bring an outfit together. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got hint a little hint of it, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can go a little bit too MATCHI matchie, but

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<v Speaker 1>in some respects it does work as well. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what you were talking about earlier. A monochrome outfit that

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<v Speaker 1>can be super flattering and easy. You know, peering pieces

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<v Speaker 1>from the same color family is kind of an easy

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<v Speaker 1>way to dress. Yeah, I think some of the MATCHI

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<v Speaker 1>MATCHI problems is when some of the pieces look a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit pajam alike, like we've talked about in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>some of those matching Summer six we're looking a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too MATCHI MATCHI. But I do think that there

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<v Speaker 1>are ways of doing it, and sometimes it's just about

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<v Speaker 1>pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that if these colors are in the same color family, well,

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<v Speaker 1>really it is working. So it's just kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit brave and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I liked what you said about shoes and bags

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<v Speaker 2>because I just always thought, well, black bag, black shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>But lately I've been doing that wrong shoe theory where

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<v Speaker 2>you fully get dressed and then you go I would

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<v Speaker 2>reach for those shoes, but actually I'm going to try

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<v Speaker 2>my green ones, and it's unexpected and it just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of makes the outfit a bit more interesting and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't match in a good way, and then you get

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<v Speaker 2>more aware out of your wardrobe because those green shoes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was waiting for them to match anything, they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't match anything, So I likely and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I think like even if you do want to

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<v Speaker 1>do a little sort of MATCHI matching, maybe you've got

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<v Speaker 1>some green sunglasses or just a little hint of that

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, to talk altogether, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Tie it together, and just to make it look intentional.

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<v Speaker 2>Intentional that's a good word.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you don't need to, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a way of kind of saying, these green shoes, won't

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<v Speaker 1>it exit?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't leave the home at four am in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's talk skirts, because of course, any women of

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<v Speaker 2>any age can wear any length of skirt. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing online some really beautiful Maxis or Madaxis and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing what they're calling a micro mini, and thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>online shopping is saying this is a micro mini. Thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look as you get older, I think micromeni's are very tricky. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'll come under fire for saying that, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can have great legs and great style at any age. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think the older you get, the harder

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<v Speaker 1>it is to pull off that look.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what where what you want, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not comfortable and I need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>bend over and put the washing on and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Executive, and also like for me personally, at my age,

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<v Speaker 1>my legs just don't look as good as they did

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I've got age spots, they're just as much.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to the gym, they're still not looking as great.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's part of me that thinks, well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just wear whatever and show them off and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care what other people think, which I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's other outfits that make you feel more confident.

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<v Speaker 1>There are plenty of other outfits that make me feel

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<v Speaker 1>more confident. Yes, well said yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So lastly, shoes, because as I hit my late thirties

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<v Speaker 2>and now into my forties, my one prerequisite is comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we do comfortable stylish shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all been wearing trainers for the last or sneakers

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you call them, for the last few years, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that there are really very modern on

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<v Speaker 1>train sneakers that don't look too young.

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<v Speaker 2>Or too or that you're going to the gym.

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<v Speaker 1>That you're going to the gym. And I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all kind of of the opinion now that

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<v Speaker 1>you can wear sneakers and trainers with a dress and

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<v Speaker 1>a skirt and still look good and not look like

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to look too young as well. So I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that there are lots of really comfortable sneaker options, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We're suiting as well, you know, with a beautiful wide

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<v Speaker 2>leg pant. It's funny because I I think here that

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<v Speaker 2>they got ten years ago. When I used to catch

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<v Speaker 2>the bus into the city, I would see women in

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<v Speaker 2>trainers and their wide leg pants for the office and

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<v Speaker 2>then obviously change into the heels. But now I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>women where they're suiting in wide leg pants intentionally with

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<v Speaker 2>trainers if their workplace allows, and it looks so cool exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are options, and I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>women of a certain age will always opt for shoe

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<v Speaker 1>stores that target women of a certain age, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you have to be stuck with just those

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<v Speaker 1>brands to feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. You know, I often go to

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<v Speaker 2>the nine West outlet. We've got one in Sydney. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's some classic styles and nine West really

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<v Speaker 2>is quite ageless. I've got some shoes that I bought

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<v Speaker 2>there ten years ago that are still great. But then

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<v Speaker 2>they do like they've got a great little pointy flat

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment or ballet flats or the mesh flat.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's nice to see flat comfortable shoes having a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very expensive, Damn, honey, how hundred these percent? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Booty and budget time the best part of the episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your budget this week?

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<v Speaker 1>My budget is right here and you just mentioned them.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are the mesh ballet slats brand Dick Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Fab. They were sixty nine dollars here in New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'd say they'd be about fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Or sixty dollars, So comfortable about those. It's closed in mesh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's got the little sort of Mary Jane strap

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<v Speaker 2>across the front.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, so it just looks a little bit more modern,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit interesting. And these go with everything from

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<v Speaker 1>my Maxi skirts to my wife's pants, shorts, you name it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so good trands seasonally. Well, my budget is a

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<v Speaker 2>pair of jeans. They're on Next I think Next. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a UK based site, but they ship to Australia. I

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of stuff from there, including my son's clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're are rank called River Island. They're the River

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<v Speaker 2>Island high Rise relaxed straight jeans eighty eight dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>I like it's a creamy kind of oat color. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what we were talking about, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>wide but not super wide. They're high waisted but not

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<v Speaker 2>super tight. Their inn seam sits nicely in the crotch.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love sort of a creamy white four trans

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<v Speaker 2>seasonal going into winter, because I feel like a stark

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<v Speaker 2>white can sometimes look a bit cheap or clinical, clinical,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, too young, whereas this is just a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful shade. She's got a stripe, long sleeve top. You

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<v Speaker 2>can wear a cami, you can wear a blazer, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight bucks, perfect with perfect tinless jeans that I think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone of any age could wear. And I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to hit order on them. Okay, what's your bougie.

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<v Speaker 1>My bougie is a Izimiaki tote bag and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>I think it might actually be called the Prism tote bag.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just love bags and I love interesting bags

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and this one I've probably had my eye

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<v Speaker 1>on for a good few years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it on sale yet?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not on sale yet. I do want a few

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<v Speaker 1>different wish lists. Yeah, I think it's about eight hundred UIs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of money, but it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>pieces that I know I would love and wear for

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<v Speaker 1>either So it's a timeless piece, but it's interesting as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a good size.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a color just to come in different colors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the color that I've got my eye on

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<v Speaker 1>is just a beautiful metallocke silver, but it's not too

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<v Speaker 1>not too shiny, not too blingy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my Bougie is not expensive at all, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive than my budget, and I wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it because it's a bit of a challenge related to

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Because cardigans are back. Suzan has one. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called the knit Shacket, so it comes in red, I

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<v Speaker 2>think navy, and camel. I like the camel, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a knit cardigan really, but it's got a collar and

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<v Speaker 2>a pocket so you can button it up like a jacket,

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<v Speaker 2>so you could leave it open over a tank called

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful your Bandoze, or use it kind of as a cardigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety nine to ninety five. It's just sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>modern take on something that you generally think all that's

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote old people. I do like the ease of

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<v Speaker 2>a Cardigan, especially trans seasonal Muma MEA office is always

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<v Speaker 2>very hot or very cold, so I'm either putting layers

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<v Speaker 2>on or off. But if I've done my hair, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to take a jump off over my hair. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to wear a zippa puddy, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking this kind of shack at Cardigan knit shacket is

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<v Speaker 2>a great way to kind of go into autumn and

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<v Speaker 2>into winter.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds great. There are a lot of beautiful cropped

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<v Speaker 1>cardies around in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Col's has a beautiful one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes the cropped length is a good way

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<v Speaker 1>to wear a cardi, but look a little bit more moderness.

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<v Speaker 2>I agreed exactly, Leoni. I love chatting to you. You're

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<v Speaker 2>such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining me and we'll have you back on soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Lea can't wait.

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