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Speaker 2: Sometimes an item of clothing can make you feel a
Speaker 2: little ugh, but maybe that's because you are pairing it
Speaker 2: with the wrong item or styling it in a dated way.
Speaker 2: So in this episode, I'm joined by Leoni Barlow to
Speaker 2: unpack the wardrobe tweaks we can all make to feel
Speaker 2: more timeless, classic, and confident in every outfit we put
Speaker 2: on at at any age. I hope you enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: You live for fashion.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
Speaker 2: and every week I'm going to talk to an expert
Speaker 2: who is going to help us work out out how
Speaker 2: to get more out of the clothes we already own
Speaker 2: and tell us exactly what is and isn't worth adding
Speaker 2: to our wardrobe. Today we are talking about how to
Speaker 2: look timeless. We've had a bunch of listeners contact us
Speaker 2: asking for tips on how to look more timeless and
Speaker 2: what outfits to avoid that might be aging. Now of
Speaker 2: course at nothing to wear and Mama Mia, we are
Speaker 2: not agis. You can wear anything you want at any time,
Speaker 2: but some people just want to know how to make
Speaker 2: those little tweaks to make their outfits a bit more updated,
Speaker 2: from the importance of finding the perfect fit of pants
Speaker 2: to accessory details that might just need a little bit
Speaker 2: of a tweak. Today, I'm welcoming back Leoni Barlow from
Speaker 2: The Style Insider to share her key tips for looking timeless.
Speaker 2: So Leoni, welcome back to the show. So glad to
Speaker 2: have you back.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. It's great to be back
Speaker 1: and catch up and chat again. I love it.
Speaker 2: It has been a little while. So tell me what
Speaker 2: fashion item are you obsessed with right now? Now?
Speaker 1: This is a bit of a strange one for me,
Speaker 1: but I'm absolutely obsessed with bandau tops, just completely strapless
Speaker 1: tops and dresses vests. I absolutely love them and it's
Speaker 1: kind of out a character for me. But I tried
Speaker 1: one on and like a mist or no, all sorts
Speaker 1: of different tops, so I've got one that's a stretchy
Speaker 1: one and that's from Dish, which is just so easy
Speaker 1: to wear. And I love wearing it underneath blazes and jackets,
Speaker 1: just as a layering.
Speaker 2: Piece such a tank or a cami exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it was. I had sort
Speaker 1: of tank fatigue, basically, and I needed a different option,
Speaker 1: and a strapless top has been great for me. I
Speaker 1: love them.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to try that. And what trend are
Speaker 2: you dipping your toe into that you thought maybe you
Speaker 2: never would Now?
Speaker 1: This is one that I have actually dipped my toe
Speaker 1: in before, back in the it was probably the nineties actually,
Speaker 1: and it was wearing skirts and dresses over pants. And
Speaker 1: I know this is going to divide people because you
Speaker 1: either love it or hate it. And I loved it
Speaker 1: back in the day, and I think that I'm going
Speaker 1: to love it again, and certainly getting into the cooler weather,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a great way to wear some of
Speaker 1: your more summary pieces and skirts and dresses into the
Speaker 1: cooler weather. So I'm definitely going to be wearing skirts
Speaker 1: and dresses over some of my pants and jeans.
Speaker 2: I want to try that too. I saw a beautiful
Speaker 2: image online of like a lace shift dress over some pants.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I liked it, but I liked it
Speaker 2: on her, so it's something I might try.
Speaker 1: I think it's something you can just kind of play
Speaker 1: around with at home. What I have seen with this
Speaker 1: particular trend is more wide leg pants worn underneath, and
Speaker 1: that's not what we saw back in the nineties. So
Speaker 1: it's sort of a bit of a new take on
Speaker 1: an old tree.
Speaker 2: Yes, and God knows, I've got enough wide leg pants
Speaker 2: to make that work exactly well. Today we're talking about
Speaker 2: the items that we might be wearing that might be
Speaker 2: aging us. And of course, again before we started recording,
Speaker 2: we were chatting about how we don't believe women should
Speaker 2: have to adhere to any rules, and of course we
Speaker 2: can wear whatever we like. But sometimes we put on
Speaker 2: an outfit it makes us feel a bit frumpy or
Speaker 2: we can't quite work out while we don't feel great
Speaker 2: in it. So let's chat through the looks or the
Speaker 2: items that might be aging us and how we can
Speaker 2: change them. Leoni, let's start off with pants. What do
Speaker 2: you think we should avoid at the moment.
Speaker 1: There's one pair of pants that I just have a
Speaker 1: problem with, regardless of your age essentially, and it's pants
Speaker 1: that cut you midcuffs. So the classic sort of capri pants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, pedal pushes. Is that the
Speaker 2: same you go the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In terms of illusion dressing and figure flattering styling, what
Speaker 1: you try, or what I always try and avoid, is
Speaker 1: having a hemline cutting you at your widest part. And
Speaker 1: that's essentially where capris or pedal pushes cut you. They
Speaker 1: cut you off midcuff, and for most of us, that's
Speaker 1: just not flattering, regardless of your age. But I do
Speaker 1: tend to see women over a certain age kind of
Speaker 1: wearing these pants, and I think it's obviously because they're relaxed,
Speaker 1: they're cool, they're comfy, But there are other options that
Speaker 1: are more flattering.
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree. I've seen the occasional capri or pedal
Speaker 2: fishes recently. Look okay, but they're with sky high stilettos
Speaker 2: and I'm not wearing those. So what are we looking
Speaker 2: for instead? Then?
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's all about where that hemline falls.
Speaker 1: So one of the big trends that's happening in the
Speaker 1: Northern Hemisphere is the return of Bermuda pants. Bermuda shorts
Speaker 1: so long the line shorts, So what I think for us,
Speaker 1: and obviously going into the cooler months, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be easier to think about wearing shorts. But certainly
Speaker 1: go for a pair of pants that are a little
Speaker 1: bit longer, so three quarters, so they're not cutting your midcalf.
Speaker 1: They're just slightly.
Speaker 2: Longer like an ankle grazer.
Speaker 1: Like an ankle grazer very much as three quarter peer pants.
Speaker 1: So something that's just definitely going to cut you off
Speaker 1: at a natural part of your leg that starts to narrow,
Speaker 1: so not at your widest part.
Speaker 2: And also it's the pant itself a bit wider rather
Speaker 2: than that sort of tight capri pedal pusher.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think the pedal pushes that I see
Speaker 1: that I find and feel are particularly aging. I feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable even saying that now I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I don't like judging, but I think that they tend
Speaker 1: to be sort of baggy, elastic, caated waste and cutting
Speaker 1: you off midcalf. So there are other options pairs of
Speaker 1: pants that are you know, you look at your inner
Speaker 1: seam as well, and just make sure that they're a
Speaker 1: little more fitted.
Speaker 2: Tell me about the enseme. I know what I like,
Speaker 2: but I really don't know all the technical terms. Why
Speaker 2: does the end seam of our pants matter?
Speaker 1: Because it basically dictates the fit of the pants. And
Speaker 1: when we try on baggy loose pants that have a
Speaker 1: longer end seam, they're really comfy because they don't actually
Speaker 1: fit you properly. And that's the whole idea of these
Speaker 1: sort of baggier style pants. They really are roomy and baggy.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say trackies and tracksuit pants are
Speaker 1: super comfy because generally that seam is a little longer.
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit of a trap when we're
Speaker 1: going for a comfortable pant and we put something on
Speaker 1: it has that longer and seem it's baggy. It's comfy,
Speaker 1: but it's just not as flattering.
Speaker 2: Either, So it's more about the seams still up under
Speaker 2: the crotch. But then the leg is wide if we're
Speaker 2: going for a wide leg pant.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, so they're still fitting you. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's a trap that we often fall into. And
Speaker 1: like me as well, I just I like to be comfortable,
Speaker 1: and I think you get to a certain age and
Speaker 1: stage in your life that you need and deserve to
Speaker 1: be comfortable.
Speaker 2: We're warm the uncomfortable stuff for too many decades, exactly.
Speaker 1: We've heard ourselves in the past, So now's the time
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. But you can be comfortable and still
Speaker 1: wear clothes that are well fitting. And then that's where
Speaker 1: a sort of fabric comes into it as well, fabric
Speaker 1: with a light stretch in it, so that you still
Speaker 1: get that tailoring and a nice fit, but you get
Speaker 1: draping and you still get that comfort as well.
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to talk about the fit of our clothes,
Speaker 2: because oversize is having a moment, but there's ye kind
Speaker 2: of fashion oversize and then looking like you've rummaged around
Speaker 2: in your husband's wardrobe, which I often do, and sometimes
Speaker 2: it looks cool and sometimes it doesn't. So how can
Speaker 2: the fit of our clothes make us feel older, look older,
Speaker 2: feel frumpy?
Speaker 1: You're right there in saying that you know there has
Speaker 1: been a lot of oversized styling and trends happening, and
Speaker 1: I think that that is comfortable and it's great, but
Speaker 1: you do have to be careful. I think the older
Speaker 1: you get as well, because like you said, it does
Speaker 1: potentially skew to looking like you've rummaged around and your
Speaker 1: husband or boyfriend's wardrobe. But I also think wearing some
Speaker 1: of those oversized pieces can be done, like say an
Speaker 1: oversized blazer, if you have more of a fitted outfit underneath.
Speaker 1: So it's about proportions and managing your proportions. And I
Speaker 1: think as we get older, we tend to, as I said,
Speaker 1: up for comfort, and sometimes that means that we look
Speaker 1: for clothes that sort of hide ourselves as opposed to
Speaker 1: still appreciating the fact that we've got womanly curves, we've
Speaker 1: got a female figure, and regardless of your size and shape,
Speaker 1: it's still really important to show that off and not
Speaker 1: just drape everything over yourself and try and sort of hide.
Speaker 2: You're a big fan of rap dresses, aren't you.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of rap dresses because they fit
Speaker 1: your body absolutely your body, So you're going to wrap
Speaker 1: that dress to fit you.
Speaker 2: Perfectly, make it as tight as you like, as loose
Speaker 2: as you like.
Speaker 1: For me, I always think a rap dress is just
Speaker 1: universally flattering. There's no one that can't wear them. If
Speaker 1: you've got a fuller bust, it may become an idea
Speaker 1: to wear maybe a chemistal underneath or something.
Speaker 2: But one of your little bando tops.
Speaker 1: One of your lego here you go.
Speaker 2: It's funny when we talk about fit of clothes because
Speaker 2: I had the opposite reaction when I was postpardon, because
Speaker 2: you know, my body was changing, and so I thought
Speaker 2: I must get back into the skinny jeans, which were
Speaker 2: a thing at the time. So I went to kmut
Speaker 2: and bought really tight but really stretchy skinny jeans to say, see,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm fitting back into them. And it did
Speaker 2: me no favors, and I was bloody uncomfortable, whereas I
Speaker 2: should have just gone for something that was highlighting where
Speaker 2: I felt good and not trying to face the world
Speaker 2: or prove to the world that I was fitting into something.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was particularly aging me, but it was
Speaker 2: just making me feel yuck.
Speaker 1: Those postpartum days are so hard hard enough as it is.
Speaker 2: And you do feel older in that you're not getting
Speaker 2: any sleep, so you feel like one hundred year old corpse.
Speaker 1: Yeah you feel haggard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel haggard. Now I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the devil as in the detail, because you want to
Speaker 2: talk about accessories, and this is scaring me because I
Speaker 2: do agree accessories can make or break an outfit, and
Speaker 2: I love reaching for earrings or a necklace and I've
Speaker 2: literally just had the brain capacity to throw on jeans
Speaker 2: and a T shirt. Talk to me about mistakes we
Speaker 2: might be making with accessories.
Speaker 1: Accessories are something that can, as you said, make or
Speaker 1: break an outfit, and they're a really easy way just
Speaker 1: to update a look. And so for me, I like
Speaker 1: to keep a little bit of an eye on what
Speaker 1: is happening in terms of accessories. And I've just been
Speaker 1: to Sydney to see my mum and was looking through
Speaker 1: some of her accessories. Now, my mum is eighty and
Speaker 1: she's been wearing sort of chunky beads for many, many years,
Speaker 1: and we swapped out some of her chunky beads in
Speaker 1: one outfit she was wearing for more finer necklaces that
Speaker 1: she owned. And it's just little things like that that
Speaker 1: I think can not only elevate an outfit, but just
Speaker 1: sort of propel you into a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a modern look as well.
Speaker 2: And you're not changing your whole outfit or even your top,
Speaker 2: but it's just that little tweak And there's so many
Speaker 2: great affordable accessory brands at the moment, even you know
Speaker 2: Yourzara and your H and m's are doing. Levisa does
Speaker 2: great little stuff exactly. But I do want to defend.
Speaker 2: I agree with the chunky beads, but I'm enjoying like
Speaker 2: a chunky gold or silver necklace.
Speaker 1: Yes, now that in my mind is different. That's not
Speaker 1: what I imagined in terms of, you know, chunky. I
Speaker 1: think a statement gold necklace is a great idea. But again,
Speaker 1: I think you just have to be a little aware
Speaker 1: of how many layers you're wearing, what you're wearing, and
Speaker 1: just sort of back a little bit. Like if I
Speaker 1: was younger, I'd probably be able to layer up a
Speaker 1: couple of statement pieces, but now that I'm closer to sixty,
Speaker 1: I'd probably just peer it back and have one statement
Speaker 1: necklace not too fussy exactly, or wear chunky earrings with
Speaker 1: a finer necklace.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about colors and how they can make us
Speaker 2: feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: Colors are really important. It's the whole sort of dopamine
Speaker 1: dressing thing that we I mean, I personally jumped on
Speaker 1: the bandwagon and feel that when I wear something that's
Speaker 1: a great color for me, I feel great. And it
Speaker 1: also people respond to me better. So it's that whole.
Speaker 2: Great thing is that color emotion link to it.
Speaker 1: There's a huge emotional link to it. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that you definitely find as you age is
Speaker 1: that your skin does change. And certainly for me, if
Speaker 1: I'm wearing zero makeup, my skin is very ray looking,
Speaker 1: and if I try something on and I don't have
Speaker 1: any makeup on, it can look really terrible. And so
Speaker 1: for me, I always suggest that you park your opinion
Speaker 1: until you perhaps have you done your hair and makeup
Speaker 1: and you're ready to roll. But I think there are
Speaker 1: some colors that are easier to wear than others. And
Speaker 1: it's obviously dependent on your skin tone and where your
Speaker 1: skin is at and your age. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: all for getting your colors done. I think that that's
Speaker 1: a great thing to do. But I do just think
Speaker 1: that some of the pastly colors can make your skin
Speaker 1: certainly a little wishy, washy. The light pastly colors tend
Speaker 1: to skew a little bit girly, I think, and then
Speaker 1: that can be a little bit of just a little
Speaker 1: bit jarring as.
Speaker 2: You and it's a little bit costume dressing in a way, it.
Speaker 1: Can look a little bit costume dressing exactly.
Speaker 2: So what if we're afraid of color, then you know,
Speaker 2: it's funny because now I'm forty two, but I'm only
Speaker 2: really just getting into color. But what about people that
Speaker 2: are like, oh, well, I don't want the color to
Speaker 2: say something wrong.
Speaker 1: If you're not going to go and get your colors
Speaker 1: done professionally, then go into a chain store where there's
Speaker 1: going to be lots of color options and just put
Speaker 1: the color up to your face. And that's always Again,
Speaker 1: it's about how you feel when you look at yourself
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and it's difficult to tell whether it
Speaker 1: suits you or not. But that's why I kind of
Speaker 1: like focusing on how you feel you feel when you
Speaker 1: look at yourself. The easiest way to navigate color is
Speaker 1: to just go and try and not peel your colors
Speaker 1: back with black, because that's generally way too harsh in
Speaker 1: my opinion.
Speaker 2: Anyway, go for whites. There's beautiful grays around this season,
Speaker 2: and tans exactly.
Speaker 1: Or just tonal. Yeah, we're color on color, but just
Speaker 1: tones of the same color family.
Speaker 2: All right. Proportions are key. Some people don't know their proportions.
Speaker 2: Some people want to hide their proportions. And we're all
Speaker 2: about celebrating what you do enjoy about your body or
Speaker 2: your outfit or your clothes. So how do we consider
Speaker 2: our proportions when we're getting dressed.
Speaker 1: This is a whole big topic proportions, But I I
Speaker 1: think it's just making sure that you create an outfit
Speaker 1: that has a certain amount of balance. And I was
Speaker 1: styling a woman a few months ago, and she was
Speaker 1: a petite woman. She wanted to wear some wide leg
Speaker 1: baggy trousers, but felt that being sort of shorter, she
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to do that. So all
Speaker 1: we needed to do was give her a little bit
Speaker 1: more weight on her shoulders to match the proportion of
Speaker 1: the pants, just to give her entire figure a little
Speaker 1: bit more balanced and more modern and a little bit
Speaker 1: more modern as well. And so it's about looking at
Speaker 1: those proportions so that you create just a sense of
Speaker 1: balance in an outfit. If something is too bottom heavy,
Speaker 1: like wide leg pants or jeans, then don't pair a
Speaker 1: chunky boot with them. Opt for something that's the opposite,
Speaker 1: perhaps a finer, pointed toe boot. So I mean that's
Speaker 1: just a very easy one to remember sort of opposites
Speaker 1: attract I always think yes.
Speaker 2: Now I want to talk about matching out because I'm
Speaker 2: seeing everywhere on Instagram it's kind of color blocking. I
Speaker 2: guess it's all shades of brown or all shades of gray.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about MATCHI matchie.
Speaker 1: I think some of the MATCHI matchie is about us
Speaker 1: just having a go and having a bit of fun
Speaker 1: and trying something different and new. Our grandmothers and mothers
Speaker 1: used to wear sort of, you know, always match your
Speaker 1: shoes to your handbag, and I think that's not happening
Speaker 1: quite so much. But there are definitely those little matchy
Speaker 1: elements that will kind of bring an outfit together. If
Speaker 1: you're wearing, say a patterned skirt, and you pick out
Speaker 1: a color that's in that pattern and wear a top
Speaker 1: that's got a little spot in that same color or
Speaker 1: something just to sort of bring an outfit together. I've
Speaker 1: got hint a little hint of it, and I think
Speaker 1: we can go a little bit too MATCHI matchie, but
Speaker 1: in some respects it does work as well. You know
Speaker 1: what you were talking about earlier. A monochrome outfit that
Speaker 1: can be super flattering and easy. You know, peering pieces
Speaker 1: from the same color family is kind of an easy
Speaker 1: way to dress. Yeah, I think some of the MATCHI
Speaker 1: MATCHI problems is when some of the pieces look a
Speaker 1: little bit pajam alike, like we've talked about in the past,
Speaker 1: some of those matching Summer six we're looking a little
Speaker 1: bit too MATCHI MATCHI. But I do think that there
Speaker 1: are ways of doing it, and sometimes it's just about
Speaker 1: pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone a little bit,
Speaker 1: knowing that if these colors are in the same color family, well,
Speaker 1: really it is working. So it's just kind of be
Speaker 1: a little bit brave and do it.
Speaker 2: But I liked what you said about shoes and bags
Speaker 2: because I just always thought, well, black bag, black shoes.
Speaker 2: But lately I've been doing that wrong shoe theory where
Speaker 2: you fully get dressed and then you go I would
Speaker 2: reach for those shoes, but actually I'm going to try
Speaker 2: my green ones, and it's unexpected and it just kind
Speaker 2: of makes the outfit a bit more interesting and it
Speaker 2: doesn't match in a good way, and then you get
Speaker 2: more aware out of your wardrobe because those green shoes, well,
Speaker 2: if I was waiting for them to match anything, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't match anything, So I likely and.
Speaker 1: Then I think like even if you do want to
Speaker 1: do a little sort of MATCHI matching, maybe you've got
Speaker 1: some green sunglasses or just a little hint of that
Speaker 1: somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yes, to talk altogether, the.
Speaker 1: Tie it together, and just to make it look intentional.
Speaker 2: Intentional that's a good word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you don't need to, but it's just
Speaker 1: a way of kind of saying, these green shoes, won't
Speaker 1: it exit?
Speaker 2: I didn't leave the home at four am in the dark.
Speaker 2: Now let's talk skirts, because of course, any women of
Speaker 2: any age can wear any length of skirt. But I'm
Speaker 2: seeing online some really beautiful Maxis or Madaxis and then
Speaker 2: I'm seeing what they're calling a micro mini, and thank goodness,
Speaker 2: online shopping is saying this is a micro mini. Thoughts
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: Look as you get older, I think micromeni's are very tricky. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll come under fire for saying that, because
Speaker 1: you can have great legs and great style at any age. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I do think the older you get, the harder
Speaker 1: it is to pull off that look.
Speaker 2: But you know what where what you want, but it's
Speaker 2: just not comfortable and I need to be able to
Speaker 2: bend over and put the washing on and you know.
Speaker 1: Executive, and also like for me personally, at my age,
Speaker 1: my legs just don't look as good as they did
Speaker 1: years ago, and I've got age spots, they're just as much.
Speaker 1: I go to the gym, they're still not looking as great.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's part of me that thinks, well, I'll
Speaker 1: just wear whatever and show them off and I don't
Speaker 1: care what other people think, which I don't.
Speaker 2: And there's other outfits that make you feel more confident.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of other outfits that make me feel
Speaker 1: more confident. Yes, well said yes.
Speaker 2: So lastly, shoes, because as I hit my late thirties
Speaker 2: and now into my forties, my one prerequisite is comfortable.
Speaker 2: Can we do comfortable stylish shoes.
Speaker 1: We've all been wearing trainers for the last or sneakers
Speaker 1: whatever you call them, for the last few years, and
Speaker 1: I do think that there are really very modern on
Speaker 1: train sneakers that don't look too young.
Speaker 2: Or too or that you're going to the gym.
Speaker 1: That you're going to the gym. And I do think
Speaker 1: that we're all kind of of the opinion now that
Speaker 1: you can wear sneakers and trainers with a dress and
Speaker 1: a skirt and still look good and not look like
Speaker 1: you're trying to look too young as well. So I
Speaker 1: do think that there are lots of really comfortable sneaker options, and.
Speaker 2: We're suiting as well, you know, with a beautiful wide
Speaker 2: leg pant. It's funny because I I think here that
Speaker 2: they got ten years ago. When I used to catch
Speaker 2: the bus into the city, I would see women in
Speaker 2: trainers and their wide leg pants for the office and
Speaker 2: then obviously change into the heels. But now I'm seeing
Speaker 2: women where they're suiting in wide leg pants intentionally with
Speaker 2: trainers if their workplace allows, and it looks so cool exactly.
Speaker 1: But there are options, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: women of a certain age will always opt for shoe
Speaker 1: stores that target women of a certain age, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you have to be stuck with just those
Speaker 1: brands to feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. You know, I often go to
Speaker 2: the nine West outlet. We've got one in Sydney. Oh,
Speaker 2: I guess there's some classic styles and nine West really
Speaker 2: is quite ageless. I've got some shoes that I bought
Speaker 2: there ten years ago that are still great. But then
Speaker 2: they do like they've got a great little pointy flat
Speaker 2: at the moment or ballet flats or the mesh flat.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to see flat comfortable shoes having a moment.
Speaker 2: It's very expensive, Damn, honey, how hundred these percent? All right?
Speaker 2: Booty and budget time the best part of the episodes.
Speaker 2: What is your budget this week?
Speaker 1: My budget is right here and you just mentioned them.
Speaker 1: So these are the mesh ballet slats brand Dick Cuba,
Speaker 1: Oh Fab. They were sixty nine dollars here in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: so I'd say they'd be about fifty nine.
Speaker 2: Or sixty dollars, So comfortable about those. It's closed in mesh,
Speaker 2: but it's got the little sort of Mary Jane strap
Speaker 2: across the front.
Speaker 1: Exactly, so it just looks a little bit more modern,
Speaker 1: a little bit interesting. And these go with everything from
Speaker 1: my Maxi skirts to my wife's pants, shorts, you name it.
Speaker 2: And so good trands seasonally. Well, my budget is a
Speaker 2: pair of jeans. They're on Next I think Next. It's
Speaker 2: a UK based site, but they ship to Australia. I
Speaker 2: get a lot of stuff from there, including my son's clothes.
Speaker 2: But they're are rank called River Island. They're the River
Speaker 2: Island high Rise relaxed straight jeans eighty eight dollars, and
Speaker 2: I like it's a creamy kind of oat color. And
Speaker 2: this is exactly what we were talking about, because they're
Speaker 2: wide but not super wide. They're high waisted but not
Speaker 2: super tight. Their inn seam sits nicely in the crotch.
Speaker 2: And I love sort of a creamy white four trans
Speaker 2: seasonal going into winter, because I feel like a stark
Speaker 2: white can sometimes look a bit cheap or clinical, clinical,
Speaker 2: and you know, too young, whereas this is just a
Speaker 2: beautiful shade. She's got a stripe, long sleeve top. You
Speaker 2: can wear a cami, you can wear a blazer, eighty
Speaker 2: eight bucks, perfect with perfect tinless jeans that I think
Speaker 2: anyone of any age could wear. And I think I'm
Speaker 2: about to hit order on them. Okay, what's your bougie.
Speaker 1: My bougie is a Izimiaki tote bag and it's a
Speaker 1: I think it might actually be called the Prism tote bag.
Speaker 1: And I just love bags and I love interesting bags
Speaker 1: as well, and this one I've probably had my eye
Speaker 1: on for a good few years now.
Speaker 2: Is it on sale yet?
Speaker 1: It's not on sale yet. I do want a few
Speaker 1: different wish lists. Yeah, I think it's about eight hundred UIs.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, but it's one of those
Speaker 1: pieces that I know I would love and wear for
Speaker 1: either So it's a timeless piece, but it's interesting as well,
Speaker 1: and it's a good size.
Speaker 2: It's a color just to come in different colors.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the color that I've got my eye on
Speaker 1: is just a beautiful metallocke silver, but it's not too
Speaker 1: not too shiny, not too blingy.
Speaker 2: Well, my Bougie is not expensive at all, but it's
Speaker 2: more expensive than my budget, and I wanted to bring
Speaker 2: it because it's a bit of a challenge related to
Speaker 2: this episode. Because cardigans are back. Suzan has one. It's
Speaker 2: called the knit Shacket, so it comes in red, I
Speaker 2: think navy, and camel. I like the camel, and it's
Speaker 2: a knit cardigan really, but it's got a collar and
Speaker 2: a pocket so you can button it up like a jacket,
Speaker 2: so you could leave it open over a tank called
Speaker 2: Wonderful your Bandoze, or use it kind of as a cardigan.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine to ninety five. It's just sort of a
Speaker 2: modern take on something that you generally think all that's
Speaker 2: quote unquote old people. I do like the ease of
Speaker 2: a Cardigan, especially trans seasonal Muma MEA office is always
Speaker 2: very hot or very cold, so I'm either putting layers
Speaker 2: on or off. But if I've done my hair, I
Speaker 2: don't want to take a jump off over my hair. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't want to wear a zippa puddy, So I'm
Speaker 2: thinking this kind of shack at Cardigan knit shacket is
Speaker 2: a great way to kind of go into autumn and
Speaker 2: into winter.
Speaker 1: It sounds great. There are a lot of beautiful cropped
Speaker 1: cardies around in the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, Col's has a beautiful one.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the cropped length is a good way
Speaker 1: to wear a cardi, but look a little bit more moderness.
Speaker 2: I agreed exactly, Leoni. I love chatting to you. You're
Speaker 2: such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining me and we'll have you back on soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Lea can't wait.
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