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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mum and mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mom and mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to Canceled, the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes

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Speaker 2: and assigns charges and sentences so that we can all

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Speaker 2: move on with our lives. I'm Jesse Stephens and I

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Speaker 2: am joined by Claire Stephens, and today we're talking about

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Speaker 2: Ballerina Farm.

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Speaker 1: Here on the pharm, the hens are laying eggs again

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Speaker 1: using the winter they take a couple months off when

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Speaker 1: it gets stoke early. Today was a beautiful but very

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Speaker 1: rainy day on the farm and there was craving homie bread,

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Speaker 1: homie jown.

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Speaker 2: Viewing motherhood and bringing them to the earth is the

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Speaker 2: most empowering. You have insisted on this for a week

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Speaker 2: after a week after week You've resisted, and I've resisted

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Speaker 2: saying I forget what it is. I think it is

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Speaker 2: obviously canceled. She Hanna Nielman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that I am using Ballerina

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Speaker 2: Farm as a synonymously with Hannah Nielman, which is wrong.

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Speaker 2: I will elaborate on why. Look for some The phrase

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Speaker 2: ballerina farm may conjure up images of farming ballerinas. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what I picture, milking them, having them breed and

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Speaker 2: pirouetting while potentially laying eggs.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: See I see someone in a two too in hay.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's what I see, mister Brandon. Opportunity there

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Speaker 2: and we'll get into this, but not enough ballet. Look

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Speaker 2: in some ways this ballerina has laid eggs, but I digress.

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Speaker 2: Ballerina Farm refers to the farm and social media handle

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Speaker 2: of influencer Hannah Nielmann was born in June nineteen ninety. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so she's like our age, six months older than us,

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Speaker 2: but unlike you. She has nine point eight million followers

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Speaker 2: on TikTok, ten million followers on Instagram, and eight children,

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Speaker 2: none of whom seem to have a ponchent for hot chips.

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Speaker 2: Both our babies really like od chips. Her eldest is

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Speaker 2: twelve and her youngest is one month younger than Matilda,

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Speaker 2: your little gil. Okay, that's a lot of babies in

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Speaker 2: quick succession. Yeah yeah, what's eight times nine? I love

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Speaker 2: I think seventy it's in eleven years. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 2: to think when people have a lot of kids, I

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Speaker 2: like to think about how many years of their lives

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Speaker 2: they've spent pregnant. Oh yeah, what's eight? Eight times nine?

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Speaker 2: Too many? Yeah? Maybe like six? So how old is

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Speaker 2: your baby again? Nine months? Okay? Nine months? Interesting because

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Speaker 2: Hannah Neilman, in an interview that we will touch on later,

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Speaker 2: her husband says that when Hannah Nielman's babies are nine

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Speaker 2: months old, she has this desire she has to have

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Speaker 2: a baby again, and like it kicks in discuss Yeah,

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Speaker 2: really pretty good. You have moments where you go, I

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Speaker 2: could have ten and then yeah, we've all had that money.

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Speaker 2: And then you think, actually, I have no money, I

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Speaker 2: have no ballerina farm, I have no time. Haters will

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Speaker 2: say I've got a work. Haters do say that. Nielman

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Speaker 2: grew up in a Mormon family in Utah, and at fourteen,

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Speaker 2: she attended a Juilliard School summer ballet program. She went

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Speaker 2: on to receive a scholarship and finished her university ballet

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Speaker 2: school where she auditioned. Slush got in in the movie

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Speaker 2: Save the Last Chance? Is it okay? All right? That

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Speaker 2: makes sense, and she did ballet, but yeah, she made

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Speaker 2: it a bit hip hop. Yeah, she appropriated black culture.

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Speaker 2: That's why you liked it. Yeah. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: that's what Hannah Nielman did? Do you think she I

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Speaker 2: think she did very classical ballet, because if you've really

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Speaker 2: We could cancel that. That would be a fun thing

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Speaker 2: to cancel Save the Last Dance. While on a Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: break from college, she met a man named Daniel Nielman.

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Speaker 2: My structure for today is as follows, missus World competition,

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Speaker 2: pretending to be poor, the Times hit piece, and a

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Speaker 2: birthday present missus World Competition. Is it missus or myth?

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Speaker 2: I'm right, I'm hosting, I'm reading. I researched, so you

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Speaker 2: p pot down. In January of this year, a story

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Speaker 2: she gave birth two weeks ago. Now she's in a

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Speaker 2: beauty pageant. As I said, Claire, you and Hannah very

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Speaker 2: similar in terms of your youngests. What were you doing

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Speaker 2: it could take up to six weeks to establish breastfeeding.

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Speaker 2: a whole episode on it. You smell like a barn, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you smell like farm. You smell like would be lovely

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's why she went to a farm,

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Speaker 2: because I smell like farm, and if I'm at a farm,

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Speaker 2: nobody will notice exactly. And then, as we've said, you

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Speaker 2: got organs in your pants. Yes, you take your undies

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Speaker 2: off and you go there's a kidney. Okay. Now, as

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Speaker 2: we know, beauty pageants are unnecessarily confusing. So Nielman's sash

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Speaker 2: Missus American, which meant that she'd won missus America the

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Speaker 2: year before or something. Okay, it's like grammatically incorrect. Yes,

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Speaker 2: missus means that she's married. Yes, no, I got that,

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Speaker 2: but it should say like it should. Are you worried

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Speaker 2: in the MISSUS America pageant, but her sash said Missus American.

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Speaker 2: It's still okay. American is not the past tense of America.

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Speaker 2: That's my point, that's mine. Oh yeah, you're an American, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which she is. You know what's wild? It costs two

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Speaker 2: the expenses, travel, clothes, makeup, town entry fees for this pageantry,

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Speaker 2: it can cost up to seventy five thousand dollars a

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Speaker 2: receive a monetary price. Ah and I have written here

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Speaker 2: this feels like a metaphor for being a woman. Spend

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Speaker 2: all your money to enter a competition. If you cry,

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Speaker 2: you get wait for it nothing. You can only lose,

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Speaker 2: But you must compete to lose all your money. Come on,

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Speaker 2: fake tan, come on, make up, bikinishu, enta and tar.

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Speaker 2: What will I win? Nothing? Punch in the face? What

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Speaker 2: let me judge you outwardly? But I didn't want to enter.

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Speaker 2: Well you did anyway, Neilman made it to the semi

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Speaker 2: finals of missus World or missus America. I don't understand anymore.

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Speaker 2: But not much further than that. But she'd already pissed

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Speaker 2: some people off. Some critics said she was promoting unrealistic

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Speaker 2: expectations for other postpartum women, while others got snarky that

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Speaker 2: she had traveled on a plane with a two week

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Speaker 2: old and was now dancing to Viva Las Vegas in

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Speaker 2: a casino. All right, I think all women in beauty

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Speaker 2: pageants promote unrealistic expectations of women. Yeap. And this is

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Speaker 2: watch parents online, when I watch parents living their lives,

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Speaker 2: this is not where I come from. This is the

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Speaker 2: think the two week old wanted to be at the pageant.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think the two week old just want

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Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think that she minded. I don't

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Speaker 2: Miss Hilda would have loved that. Yeah, apparently like they

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Speaker 2: all did like a communal dance to that song as

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Speaker 2: don't know all the contestants. Oh, and I think the

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Speaker 2: I like the movement. It reminds me. And there is

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Speaker 2: my mum. Just to note on the trad wife phenomenon

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Speaker 2: before we go any further, Neilman is widely considered a

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Speaker 2: trad wife, which is short for traditional wife, even though

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Speaker 2: in that New York Times piece that we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: I think everyone's mission is different. I find so much

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Speaker 2: my notes and that is allowed. Yes, let's just spend

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Speaker 2: a moment on tradwives. You ever get in a tradwife mood?

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Speaker 2: What I consider myself a trad wife? Absolutely? Did I

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Speaker 2: make my daughter breakfast this morning? Yeah? I made oats.

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Speaker 2: It took me four minutes, and I thought, hmm, am

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Speaker 2: I nailing this? Yes? Am I a traditional wife? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Will I walk in this afternoon and yell at my husband. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's like, ahm, that's me. Every time I do anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wipe down the bench and I'm like, yeah, here,

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Speaker 2: my baby eggs to that I've never felt so Hannah Nielman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And I cracked them and I what are you?

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Speaker 2: the moon and pants and I just went that song

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Speaker 2: was going on the background. I just went, I love

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Speaker 2: trad wife life. What can I say? Planned to be

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm glad I'm not putting my whole identity

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Speaker 2: tried wife, because I'd be wildly disappointed pretending to be poor.

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Speaker 2: Neilman lives on a farm with her husband and her

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Speaker 2: eight kids, her cowchulip, and also her vintage green stove

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Speaker 2: that she bought from Greggslist. I want again named Tula. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just to go back a little bit, it's twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: when Hannah marries Daniel and then they go and live

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Speaker 2: in South America for Daniel's job, which we're gonna explore,

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Speaker 2: and they have their two sons, but they are obsessed

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Speaker 2: with farm life. They dream of living on a farm.

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Speaker 2: And then when they return to the States four years later,

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Speaker 2: a new kind of life for their family. They call

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Speaker 2: it Ballerina Farm because of Hannah's previous dream of being

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Speaker 2: a ballerina. Like Julia Stiles say the last nance, I

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Speaker 2: feel like people who live on farms are happy. I

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Speaker 2: think this is part of the appeal, is that we

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Speaker 2: all wish you lived on a farm. Yeah, don't. Like

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Speaker 2: David Beckham and Victoria Beckham, they appear to live on

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Speaker 2: something that resembles a farm. There's people who live on farms,

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Speaker 2: afford it. Yeah, yeah, and also wouldn't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: Nielman starts documenting their journey. Fans watch them make heaps

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Speaker 2: of mistakes because obviously they have no idea what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But they do farm management and marketing courses and invest

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Speaker 2: heaps of time and money into learning how to be farmers.

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Speaker 2: What are they farming? So they got a bunch of

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Speaker 2: cows sounds like that, have one cow calledure That's the

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Speaker 2: one she's closest to. It's just that's the pet. That's

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Speaker 2: Nielman is heir to a fortune of about four hundred

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Speaker 2: But just because you're filthy rich or like you have inheritance,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you've got to live in some ridiculous house

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Speaker 2: I actually kind of like they're doing this like farm

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Speaker 2: I guess she's talking about farming. Agnew asks him out

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Speaker 2: right if Daniel is the boss and they both say no,

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Speaker 2: they're co CEOs of Ballerina Fum. Oh you see you

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Speaker 2: Now it's like a very aspirational this is the thing. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: It's selling not just milk from tulip. Hannah Nielman is

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Speaker 2: I imagine that they're making a lot of money from

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Speaker 2: tension is that Agnew wants to get Nielman one on one,

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Speaker 2: great publicity for Jet Blue. Yeah, because honey, how did

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Speaker 2: Agnew writes, I look out at the vastness and don't

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Speaker 2: totally agree. Daniel wanted to live in the Great Western wilds,

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Speaker 2: He likes date nights once a week, so they go.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want nanny's in the house, so there aren't

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Speaker 2: And I think so many women would say, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: Is it fair? No? Is it Hannah's fault? No? And

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Speaker 2: much everybody has an idea. I don't want it to

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Speaker 2: I also I don't have the ankles for it. I've

417
00:24:03,349 --> 00:24:05,269
Speaker 2: got the out of there ankles of an elephant. I

418
00:24:05,309 --> 00:24:06,949
Speaker 2: would have loved to be. My husband tells me that,

419
00:24:06,989 --> 00:24:09,429
Speaker 2: which also not one of my goals to have a

420
00:24:09,509 --> 00:24:10,909
Speaker 2: husband that tells me that I have the ankles. And

421
00:24:11,549 --> 00:24:14,349
Speaker 2: if Agnew was in my house, she'd say watch out

422
00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:16,909
Speaker 2: for him, and I'd say, I think he's fine. Yeah,

423
00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:20,029
Speaker 2: I think he's fine, and he's right. Look at them,

424
00:24:20,069 --> 00:24:22,229
Speaker 2: look at them. They're horrible. They're not going to be

425
00:24:22,509 --> 00:24:25,749
Speaker 2: the ankles of ballerina. No, I would. When I broke

426
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:27,829
Speaker 2: my leg, I went, I can't, I can't be a ballerina.

427
00:24:27,869 --> 00:24:28,029
Speaker 1: Now.

428
00:24:28,189 --> 00:24:31,509
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was I thirty? Yeah? I was saying, days it gone,

429
00:24:32,189 --> 00:24:35,069
Speaker 2: days gone. I'd never done a class. But sometimes our

430
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:39,109
Speaker 2: dreams are dashed by injury times. I want to be

431
00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:42,749
Speaker 2: an actress or a singer, yep. And I think there's

432
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:46,269
Speaker 2: something about having kids that makes you go ooh, maybe

433
00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:48,629
Speaker 2: that won't come true. That ship has sailed, and something

434
00:24:48,629 --> 00:24:51,789
Speaker 2: about being nearly thirty four and not being able to sing.

435
00:24:52,749 --> 00:24:56,029
Speaker 2: Julia I relate to all of this anyway. Daniel gets

436
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:58,789
Speaker 2: excited and he keeps showing her the ditches, which is

437
00:24:58,789 --> 00:25:01,429
Speaker 2: boring for everyone. What are the ditches? The ditches like

438
00:25:01,469 --> 00:25:05,949
Speaker 2: farm ditches. I imagine them to be like trenches, like big

439
00:25:05,989 --> 00:25:09,989
Speaker 2: holes of dirt for why. I guess, like I don't

440
00:25:09,989 --> 00:25:15,189
Speaker 2: know what irrigation means, but that, like you know, on farms,

441
00:25:15,749 --> 00:25:19,589
Speaker 2: how they need to like put in poles. Yeah. This

442
00:25:19,749 --> 00:25:22,949
Speaker 2: is the thing about people who understand live on acres.

443
00:25:23,309 --> 00:25:25,069
Speaker 2: They take you around and they point to things and

444
00:25:25,109 --> 00:25:28,029
Speaker 2: they say things, and you just go that technology doesn't exist.

445
00:25:28,269 --> 00:25:30,109
Speaker 2: I went our friend who works on the farm. I

446
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:32,269
Speaker 2: went to her hometown. Once she pointed out, I said,

447
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:34,909
Speaker 2: why is that green? They have a green lawn. No

448
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:36,869
Speaker 2: one else has a green lawn. She said something about

449
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:40,789
Speaker 2: it being watered underneath. I was like, that's just sci

450
00:25:40,829 --> 00:25:44,269
Speaker 2: fi shit. Yeah, so I think he's doing that from

451
00:25:44,349 --> 00:25:47,029
Speaker 2: underneath in his ditches, which is exciting for him. You

452
00:25:47,109 --> 00:25:51,149
Speaker 2: know what, we never find out, Not once in this

453
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:55,629
Speaker 2: article does she say what's in the ditches? Maybe he's

454
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:58,589
Speaker 2: taking around I imagine in a golf buggy, although that's

455
00:25:58,629 --> 00:26:01,109
Speaker 2: not what she says, because there's not enough attention paid

456
00:26:01,109 --> 00:26:04,109
Speaker 2: to that. What if there are bodies, this is where

457
00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:07,109
Speaker 2: I bury the body, And it's like, that's the story

458
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:10,749
Speaker 2: agnew not the ballet Studio, but didn't end up being

459
00:26:11,629 --> 00:26:14,229
Speaker 2: what's in the ditches because none of us understand how

460
00:26:14,229 --> 00:26:17,189
Speaker 2: farms work. They get back to the house and Agnew

461
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:20,349
Speaker 2: is like, ugh, the kids are clattering near my tape

462
00:26:20,349 --> 00:26:23,109
Speaker 2: recorder and one is running around with a chicken, like

463
00:26:23,429 --> 00:26:25,349
Speaker 2: like a roast chicken. And it's like, yeah, have you

464
00:26:25,429 --> 00:26:29,389
Speaker 2: met kids? There's always one with a chicken and they're

465
00:26:29,509 --> 00:26:32,269
Speaker 2: always running around your tape recorder. Now, if you have

466
00:26:32,309 --> 00:26:36,669
Speaker 2: something valuable and precious, they're like this this one. That's

467
00:26:36,709 --> 00:26:40,989
Speaker 2: what they're like. This one a few telling things, Daniel says,

468
00:26:41,189 --> 00:26:44,109
Speaker 2: Hannah gets so exhausted that sometimes she doesn't get out

469
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:46,829
Speaker 2: of bed for a week, which is the most aspirational

470
00:26:46,869 --> 00:26:49,869
Speaker 2: thing I've ever heard. How does she you're not getting

471
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:50,669
Speaker 2: out of the bed of a week?

472
00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:50,869
Speaker 1: Yeah?

473
00:26:50,909 --> 00:26:52,269
Speaker 2: Wait, how does she not get out of bed for

474
00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:52,509
Speaker 2: a week?

475
00:26:52,589 --> 00:26:52,829
Speaker 1: If that?

476
00:26:52,869 --> 00:26:54,589
Speaker 2: If she's not allowed to have a nanny and there's

477
00:26:54,629 --> 00:26:57,629
Speaker 2: eight kids, I'm confused. I don't know if he was exaggerating.

478
00:26:57,829 --> 00:27:00,669
Speaker 2: Do they have family help? They are homeschooled like on

479
00:27:00,829 --> 00:27:04,149
Speaker 2: the thing, like by a teacher that comes in, But

480
00:27:04,229 --> 00:27:06,869
Speaker 2: I think the six month old is homeschooled. Yeah, so

481
00:27:06,909 --> 00:27:10,389
Speaker 2: I don't really understand. Also, she's had her babies without

482
00:27:10,429 --> 00:27:13,509
Speaker 2: pain relief, She says, She's never liked taking it, except

483
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:15,869
Speaker 2: one time Daniel stepped out of the room when she

484
00:27:15,949 --> 00:27:18,549
Speaker 2: was giving birth to little Martha. She was one of

485
00:27:18,629 --> 00:27:21,109
Speaker 2: the few babies that she had in hospital, and she

486
00:27:21,189 --> 00:27:24,349
Speaker 2: had an epidural. She says it was great. This was

487
00:27:24,429 --> 00:27:27,149
Speaker 2: viewed by a lot of people as a red flag

488
00:27:27,189 --> 00:27:30,429
Speaker 2: because she kind of only said it when Daniel wasn't listening,

489
00:27:30,429 --> 00:27:31,909
Speaker 2: and it was like Daniel was kind of not there

490
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:34,669
Speaker 2: when she got the epidural, and yeah, did kind of

491
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:35,469
Speaker 2: look like a red flag.

492
00:27:35,709 --> 00:27:35,749
Speaker 1: Ugh.

493
00:27:36,269 --> 00:27:38,789
Speaker 2: Ugh, This is how Agnew closes the article. This is

494
00:27:38,829 --> 00:27:42,069
Speaker 2: a quote. I can't, it seems, get an answer out

495
00:27:42,069 --> 00:27:45,989
Speaker 2: of Nielman without her being corrected, interrupted, or answered for

496
00:27:46,189 --> 00:27:49,909
Speaker 2: by either her husband or a child. Usually I am

497
00:27:49,949 --> 00:27:53,669
Speaker 2: doing battle with steely Hollywood publicists today, I am up

498
00:27:53,709 --> 00:27:56,589
Speaker 2: against an army of toddlers who all want their mum,

499
00:27:56,749 --> 00:28:00,789
Speaker 2: and a husband who thinks he knows better may leave

500
00:28:00,829 --> 00:28:06,589
Speaker 2: the toddlers alone. Yeah. I remember being a kid, and

501
00:28:06,669 --> 00:28:08,589
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much I would have fucking

502
00:28:08,589 --> 00:28:11,149
Speaker 2: hated you in my house. Yeah. A reporter comes in

503
00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:15,389
Speaker 2: with a tape recorder and I want some raised chicken. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:17,829
Speaker 2: from your talking to my mum. Yeah, I need to

505
00:28:17,869 --> 00:28:21,109
Speaker 2: be in her lap. I need Moum needs me to

506
00:28:21,869 --> 00:28:24,149
Speaker 2: suck on her nose, yes, and to whisper in her

507
00:28:24,229 --> 00:28:27,469
Speaker 2: ear something nonsensical. I don't need that. I don't need

508
00:28:27,509 --> 00:28:29,989
Speaker 2: what I am asking for, But I will suggest we

509
00:28:30,029 --> 00:28:34,029
Speaker 2: get McDonald's now, because I find your presence intrusive. Right,

510
00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:36,349
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling safe with that said. I do want

511
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:40,269
Speaker 2: to say this journalist, Megan Agnew, was the one who

512
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:43,829
Speaker 2: was there, and if she picked up on certain vibes,

513
00:28:44,469 --> 00:28:48,189
Speaker 2: I am always going to advocate for her right to

514
00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:52,269
Speaker 2: share those vibes. You don't think that from the first sentence,

515
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:55,869
Speaker 2: From the first I got there and Daniel was holding

516
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:58,309
Speaker 2: the baby, and then he handed Hannah the baby and

517
00:28:58,389 --> 00:29:00,709
Speaker 2: she didn't put the baby four hours. Don't like him,

518
00:29:00,789 --> 00:29:01,189
Speaker 2: just like.

519
00:29:02,669 --> 00:29:02,869
Speaker 1: Him.

520
00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:05,309
Speaker 2: I don't think she liked Daniel even before she got there.

521
00:29:05,389 --> 00:29:08,309
Speaker 2: I think that she went all the way to Utah

522
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:10,669
Speaker 2: with a preconceived idea of the story that she was

523
00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:13,509
Speaker 2: going to get. She had some judgment. She doesn't like

524
00:29:13,509 --> 00:29:16,149
Speaker 2: the toddlers. You don't know that. You don't know that.

525
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:19,029
Speaker 2: I have a feeling you're reading it as though she

526
00:29:19,229 --> 00:29:23,109
Speaker 2: wrote it in real time. But it's the snarkiness. I

527
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:25,949
Speaker 2: think that there are certain sentences in the way, like

528
00:29:25,989 --> 00:29:30,509
Speaker 2: the toddler thing you irritated by their sticky chicken fingers. Yeah, yeah,

529
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:34,029
Speaker 2: Like I totally get that. But there are real points

530
00:29:34,069 --> 00:29:37,349
Speaker 2: where like, for example, the epgural thing, brilliant, Let it stand.

531
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:40,989
Speaker 2: But my whole reading of it was if you want

532
00:29:40,989 --> 00:29:42,869
Speaker 2: to sit down with Nielman and have a really a

533
00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:45,189
Speaker 2: one on one conversation, because that what was agreed upon,

534
00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:48,189
Speaker 2: you need to advocate harder for that, because in all

535
00:29:48,189 --> 00:29:50,149
Speaker 2: of it, I couldn't work out when she said, Hey,

536
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:53,029
Speaker 2: can I have some time just us? I know what's happened.

537
00:29:53,429 --> 00:29:56,629
Speaker 2: Daniel thought she wanted to see Ballerina Farm. She thought

538
00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:00,109
Speaker 2: Ballerina fum was Hannah, Yeah, okay, And Daniel was like,

539
00:30:00,589 --> 00:30:02,429
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you the ditches and she was like,

540
00:30:02,829 --> 00:30:05,269
Speaker 2: that's not what I meant by Ballerina. He's like, Ballerina

541
00:30:05,309 --> 00:30:09,909
Speaker 2: Farm is an idea, Yeah, and it's a it's like

542
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:12,829
Speaker 2: an ecosystem, and it includes the children, and it includes being,

543
00:30:12,909 --> 00:30:15,669
Speaker 2: and it includes Hannah and it includes the ditch. Do

544
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:18,029
Speaker 2: you want to see the barn? Yeah? And She's like,

545
00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:20,629
Speaker 2: I thought Ballerina Farm was just Hannah Yeah, I just

546
00:30:20,629 --> 00:30:22,309
Speaker 2: wanted to speak to the other. Thing is I think

547
00:30:23,069 --> 00:30:26,269
Speaker 2: Megan was jet lagged. She was really tired, and she

548
00:30:26,349 --> 00:30:31,269
Speaker 2: turned up and she's like, hmm, I wanted gossip, yeah

549
00:30:31,309 --> 00:30:32,989
Speaker 2: from this woman, and.

550
00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:33,269
Speaker 1: I was not.

551
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:36,069
Speaker 2: And there are too many children around. She even she

552
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:39,789
Speaker 2: makes a comment about how Hannah calls them kiddos. She

553
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:42,949
Speaker 2: like puts it in quotation marks as though it's like weird,

554
00:30:43,229 --> 00:30:44,669
Speaker 2: like I'm going to go and feed the kiddos, or

555
00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:46,869
Speaker 2: she says something like that, And I just went, why

556
00:30:46,949 --> 00:30:49,429
Speaker 2: her call them kiddos? She just gotta Sometimes you read

557
00:30:49,469 --> 00:30:52,829
Speaker 2: interviews like that, you can see how a person could

558
00:30:53,429 --> 00:30:57,029
Speaker 2: watch anything unfold and put a certain lens of a

559
00:30:57,109 --> 00:30:57,549
Speaker 2: lens on it.

560
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:57,909
Speaker 1: Yeah.

561
00:30:57,949 --> 00:30:59,989
Speaker 2: And even the headline which was the Queen of the

562
00:31:00,029 --> 00:31:02,069
Speaker 2: trad Wives, and I understand how she can be viewed

563
00:31:02,069 --> 00:31:05,829
Speaker 2: as that. In the interview, Hannah says, I don't identify

564
00:31:05,869 --> 00:31:07,989
Speaker 2: as a trad wife, so that in itself is telling.

565
00:31:08,349 --> 00:31:11,269
Speaker 2: So there were two camps that came after this Times

566
00:31:11,309 --> 00:31:14,509
Speaker 2: piece was released. The first said, this woman is being

567
00:31:14,509 --> 00:31:18,269
Speaker 2: manipulated and controlled by this Daniel character with his ditches

568
00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:22,549
Speaker 2: and his airline weasling. The other camp thought Agnew went

569
00:31:22,629 --> 00:31:24,749
Speaker 2: in there with an agenda and if she wanted to

570
00:31:24,749 --> 00:31:27,509
Speaker 2: speak to Nilman then asked Newman if they can talk

571
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:30,309
Speaker 2: in one of her barns or whatever. If Neilman wants

572
00:31:30,349 --> 00:31:32,669
Speaker 2: to have three hundred babies and make sour dough in

573
00:31:32,749 --> 00:31:34,869
Speaker 2: her pot and cooked chickens in her thirty thousand dollars

574
00:31:34,869 --> 00:31:37,349
Speaker 2: stove while she has a bit of ballet on insta,

575
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:41,989
Speaker 2: I personally think absolutely fine, me too, more ballet if anything? Yeah,

576
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:45,349
Speaker 2: Nilman responded with a TikTok video. Here's what she said.

577
00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:48,109
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we had a reporter come

578
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:51,749
Speaker 1: into her home to learn more about our family and business.

579
00:31:52,349 --> 00:31:55,469
Speaker 1: We thought the interview went really well, very similar to

580
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:57,989
Speaker 1: the dozens of interviews we had done in recent memory.

581
00:31:59,509 --> 00:32:02,429
Speaker 1: We were taken back, however, when we saw the printed

582
00:32:02,509 --> 00:32:06,829
Speaker 1: article which sharked us and sharkd the world by being

583
00:32:06,869 --> 00:32:10,869
Speaker 1: an attack on our family and my marriage, portraying me

584
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:15,509
Speaker 1: as oppressed, with my husband being the culprit. This couldn't

585
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:18,709
Speaker 1: be further from the truth. Nothing we said in the

586
00:32:18,749 --> 00:32:21,829
Speaker 1: interview implied this conclusion, which leads me to believe the

587
00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:26,909
Speaker 1: angle taken was predetermined for Daniel and I. Our priority

588
00:32:26,949 --> 00:32:31,109
Speaker 1: in life is God and family. Everything else comes second.

589
00:32:32,069 --> 00:32:34,389
Speaker 1: The greatest day of my life was when Daniel and

590
00:32:34,429 --> 00:32:37,909
Speaker 1: I were married thirteen years ago. Together we have built

591
00:32:37,949 --> 00:32:41,509
Speaker 1: a business from scratch, We've brought eight children into this

592
00:32:41,589 --> 00:32:45,549
Speaker 1: world and have prioritized our marriage all along the way.

593
00:32:46,109 --> 00:32:48,069
Speaker 2: You know what the weirdest thing is about that video?

594
00:32:48,469 --> 00:32:51,229
Speaker 2: At the bottom of it, it says participating in this

595
00:32:51,309 --> 00:32:54,709
Speaker 2: activity could result in you or others getting hurt. Is

596
00:32:54,749 --> 00:32:57,069
Speaker 2: that to do with the drink she's making she's drinking?

597
00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:02,509
Speaker 2: What looks like I thought, is that about participating in

598
00:33:02,509 --> 00:33:07,189
Speaker 2: a Times interview? Yeah, being married to Daniel, living on

599
00:33:07,229 --> 00:33:11,349
Speaker 2: a farm, on a farming machinery, because I think in

600
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:14,189
Speaker 2: one bitch she's probably operating machinery. Yeah, but that's the

601
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:16,189
Speaker 2: kind of message you get when you see two people

602
00:33:16,229 --> 00:33:19,189
Speaker 2: doing like UFC fighting or something. No, I think it's

603
00:33:19,229 --> 00:33:31,629
Speaker 2: the drink. Why is it black? Why is it dark? Lastly,

604
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:35,549
Speaker 2: the birthday present. Around the same time as a Times piece,

605
00:33:35,749 --> 00:33:39,789
Speaker 2: it was Neielman's birthday. She posted a video of Daniel

606
00:33:39,829 --> 00:33:42,869
Speaker 2: presenting her with her gift, and she says, I'm hoping

607
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:45,589
Speaker 2: they're tickets to Greece. Have you seen this video? No

608
00:33:46,029 --> 00:33:52,109
Speaker 2: grease the country or Grease musical, Grease the Country. I'm sweetie, same.

609
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:54,669
Speaker 2: We all want to get this to Grease with bath. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

610
00:33:54,709 --> 00:33:56,549
Speaker 2: She's unwrapping the bar. How do you go to Greece

611
00:33:56,589 --> 00:33:58,549
Speaker 2: with that many kills? Do you take?

612
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:59,269
Speaker 1: No?

613
00:33:59,469 --> 00:34:01,669
Speaker 2: Well, I think that they can get a nanny, Like

614
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:03,909
Speaker 2: they get a nanny for like babysitting or whatever, like

615
00:34:03,949 --> 00:34:07,069
Speaker 2: if they're out of the house. Yeah, Okay. She's unwrapping

616
00:34:07,109 --> 00:34:09,869
Speaker 2: the box and she keeps talking about Grease the Country,

617
00:34:09,949 --> 00:34:12,229
Speaker 2: and Daniel just waits for her to see because he

618
00:34:12,309 --> 00:34:15,189
Speaker 2: knows it's good the present, right, And that's when she

619
00:34:15,269 --> 00:34:20,149
Speaker 2: pulls out an egg apron No, it's got separate compartments

620
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:23,149
Speaker 2: for all the eggs. Like it's got like twelve little

621
00:34:23,229 --> 00:34:25,589
Speaker 2: pockets so that you can wear it and it helps

622
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:28,309
Speaker 2: you pick the eggs and I guess not crack them.

623
00:34:28,589 --> 00:34:30,589
Speaker 1: It was my birthday present from Daniel.

624
00:34:32,269 --> 00:34:36,589
Speaker 3: I'm no tickets to Grease, so plain tickets.

625
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:39,069
Speaker 1: A hat I can wearing grease.

626
00:34:41,309 --> 00:34:48,789
Speaker 2: Hair. Oh my egg? Aye, PRIs great?

627
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:50,469
Speaker 1: They didn't gather eggs.

628
00:34:50,549 --> 00:34:51,749
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cute.

629
00:34:52,029 --> 00:34:57,869
Speaker 2: Really ce'st Then he says, you're welcome, Thanksny, And in

630
00:34:57,949 --> 00:35:01,949
Speaker 2: my opinion, she's pissed because no one wants an egg apron,

631
00:35:02,029 --> 00:35:06,989
Speaker 2: and your fucking father owns fucking every fucking airline. Why

632
00:35:07,029 --> 00:35:11,429
Speaker 2: aren't we going to fucking Greece every farking weekend. Yeah,

633
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:14,429
Speaker 2: I don't want an egg apron. Wants an egg apron.

634
00:35:14,909 --> 00:35:17,589
Speaker 2: There's a kid, some son who's just kind of dawdling

635
00:35:17,629 --> 00:35:20,589
Speaker 2: around watching. He knows his dad fucked up, and just

636
00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:23,549
Speaker 2: with the Internet already seeing her as an egg machine

637
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:26,709
Speaker 2: with eight babies, the egg apron probably wasn't ideal for

638
00:35:26,789 --> 00:35:30,189
Speaker 2: the narrative. Why did they post it? Every now and

639
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:32,589
Speaker 2: then you see something like this. I see the Filma

640
00:35:32,709 --> 00:35:34,709
Speaker 2: film at fine, but then you watch it back and

641
00:35:34,909 --> 00:35:37,989
Speaker 2: you go it doesn't sit well. I see videos all

642
00:35:37,989 --> 00:35:40,149
Speaker 2: the time of influencers and they'll go to film their

643
00:35:40,229 --> 00:35:41,909
Speaker 2: kid and the kid looks at them and goes, I

644
00:35:41,909 --> 00:35:45,229
Speaker 2: don't want to be and they boast it, and you think,

645
00:35:45,469 --> 00:35:48,149
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, No, there was a learning moment during

646
00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:51,109
Speaker 2: filming there just don't post it. This didn't look good.

647
00:35:51,189 --> 00:35:53,829
Speaker 2: So the thing that was really awkward was that she

648
00:35:53,909 --> 00:35:56,229
Speaker 2: goes egg aprin and she puts it on and she

649
00:35:56,269 --> 00:35:58,549
Speaker 2: has this little dance and then he goes you're welcome,

650
00:35:58,669 --> 00:36:01,469
Speaker 2: as in like say thank you for the egg aprin

651
00:36:01,509 --> 00:36:04,069
Speaker 2: And I'm like, where are the tickets degreed? Where are

652
00:36:04,109 --> 00:36:06,389
Speaker 2: the tickets? Degree? Has the tickets degrees? Does she check

653
00:36:06,389 --> 00:36:09,029
Speaker 2: the pockets because all the tickets actually does she puts

654
00:36:09,029 --> 00:36:11,589
Speaker 2: them in to be like egg apron just because there's

655
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:14,629
Speaker 2: some like hole in it for eggs. Are their tickets

656
00:36:14,629 --> 00:36:17,029
Speaker 2: for all of us to grease in all the separate pockets?

657
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:20,869
Speaker 2: Is that the idea? Well? Ellie Goulding commented Ellie Goulding,

658
00:36:21,189 --> 00:36:23,829
Speaker 2: the singer, and she wrote take her to grease please,

659
00:36:24,789 --> 00:36:27,349
Speaker 2: And I echoed that. I like that because it's not

660
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:31,309
Speaker 2: saying you're abusive, it's just saying, get the woman some

661
00:36:31,309 --> 00:36:36,149
Speaker 2: tickets degree. Yeah, it's saying I, as an observer, know

662
00:36:36,269 --> 00:36:39,629
Speaker 2: what she wanted. There's no other present, there's no other gift.

663
00:36:40,109 --> 00:36:43,309
Speaker 2: We have birthday coming up, what three months? Tickets to grease? Yeah?

664
00:36:43,429 --> 00:36:47,869
Speaker 2: Two please? Or like my baby can come, that's fine,

665
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:51,189
Speaker 2: but I want tickets to grease Claire? In what ways

666
00:36:51,189 --> 00:36:52,949
Speaker 2: do you think an egg apron is a shit gift?

667
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:55,989
Speaker 2: An apron should never ever be a gift unless you

668
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:58,829
Speaker 2: have been to roam and it is one of those

669
00:36:59,029 --> 00:37:02,709
Speaker 2: naked statue aprons that you get for a man. It's

670
00:37:02,789 --> 00:37:06,589
Speaker 2: for using a No, you know, he's gonna really like it.

671
00:37:06,669 --> 00:37:09,389
Speaker 2: That's actually a good point, because that is a good gift.

672
00:37:08,589 --> 00:37:12,229
Speaker 2: Ye got like and put it on when his friends

673
00:37:12,229 --> 00:37:15,029
Speaker 2: come over. Yeah, that's the first time I've seen it,

674
00:37:15,069 --> 00:37:17,629
Speaker 2: and I'm like, they have been selling me is in Italy. Yeah,

675
00:37:17,909 --> 00:37:20,669
Speaker 2: surely fifty years. Everyone I've ever known has bought them.

676
00:37:20,789 --> 00:37:23,629
Speaker 2: I reckon they were doing it ancient times. Yeah. You

677
00:37:23,629 --> 00:37:25,309
Speaker 2: know what else you get him? You get in a

678
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:29,229
Speaker 2: little box of shorts with Penis, David stash of David

679
00:37:29,309 --> 00:37:32,669
Speaker 2: whatever Penis. That's when it's OK. Fine. My other problem

680
00:37:32,749 --> 00:37:35,829
Speaker 2: with the apron is this Hannah definitely already has one.

681
00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:39,229
Speaker 2: She definitely already has an egg apron. It also wasn't wrapped.

682
00:37:39,629 --> 00:37:42,229
Speaker 2: It came in like Amazon packaging, and it was really

683
00:37:42,229 --> 00:37:45,029
Speaker 2: really hard to open. I also think that again know

684
00:37:45,069 --> 00:37:49,149
Speaker 2: nothing about farming bucket. Yeah, I see people on my Instagram.

685
00:37:49,509 --> 00:37:51,629
Speaker 2: I think a little basket and egg basket does a treat.

686
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:53,789
Speaker 2: I don't see them cracking. I think that there is

687
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:57,909
Speaker 2: an inverse relationship between a person's wealth and their propensity

688
00:37:57,949 --> 00:38:01,269
Speaker 2: to give a good gift. Yet absolutely I think that

689
00:38:01,669 --> 00:38:04,909
Speaker 2: they lose the value and excitement and gifts because it's

690
00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:08,909
Speaker 2: like I can have everything, so why worry on a birthday?

691
00:38:09,669 --> 00:38:15,309
Speaker 2: And it's like because birthdays at the time for tickets degrees. Yeah,

692
00:38:15,389 --> 00:38:20,469
Speaker 2: it is time for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go

693
00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:24,509
Speaker 2: first because my charge. Honestly, I'm pissed about the apron

694
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:29,309
Speaker 2: but that's Daniel's crime. And as the Times peace firmly established,

695
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:33,189
Speaker 2: no one gives a shit about Daniel. Okay, okay, but

696
00:38:32,629 --> 00:38:35,509
Speaker 2: he is part of ballerina farm. He is, he is,

697
00:38:35,549 --> 00:38:38,429
Speaker 2: but there was confusion about the definition of ballerina.

698
00:38:38,469 --> 00:38:38,669
Speaker 1: Fum.

699
00:38:39,429 --> 00:38:42,469
Speaker 2: My other charge is not enough ballet. I really like

700
00:38:42,509 --> 00:38:45,829
Speaker 2: watching ballet, and she is very goodsh at the times

701
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:47,989
Speaker 2: that I see her do a little dance and often

702
00:38:48,029 --> 00:38:50,629
Speaker 2: she'll just do a little what I call a le

703
00:38:51,549 --> 00:38:54,589
Speaker 2: Oh wow, is she flexible? Yes? It was super flexible,

704
00:38:54,869 --> 00:38:57,029
Speaker 2: just just like a trick. And you know how I

705
00:38:57,029 --> 00:38:59,309
Speaker 2: feel about dancers doing tricks, and how I feel about

706
00:38:59,309 --> 00:39:02,349
Speaker 2: watching dancing with not enough tricks where they just do moves,

707
00:39:02,669 --> 00:39:05,709
Speaker 2: because I think I could just do moves and it's like, hmm,

708
00:39:06,549 --> 00:39:08,029
Speaker 2: do I know how good you are if you're not

709
00:39:08,029 --> 00:39:10,389
Speaker 2: doing tricks? Yes? I need you to do a trick

710
00:39:10,429 --> 00:39:13,789
Speaker 2: every three moves. Yeah, moves should only connect the tricks.

711
00:39:13,869 --> 00:39:17,829
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is what I thought about Dallas Cowboys.

712
00:39:20,109 --> 00:39:24,269
Speaker 2: They're split at the end. Great trick, the whole routine underwhelming.

713
00:39:24,509 --> 00:39:27,709
Speaker 2: I would say, cart will if you can do a flip,

714
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:30,389
Speaker 2: do a flip every dance routine. I will never ever

715
00:39:30,429 --> 00:39:33,269
Speaker 2: not be impressed by that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think

716
00:39:33,309 --> 00:39:35,709
Speaker 2: ballerinas do flips, but I think that she could do

717
00:39:35,749 --> 00:39:39,269
Speaker 2: the splits more. I guess being rich is also a charge,

718
00:39:39,389 --> 00:39:42,189
Speaker 2: specifically not wearing a T shirt that says I'm married,

719
00:39:42,229 --> 00:39:47,469
Speaker 2: intergenerational wealth or alternatively, my father in law is worth

720
00:39:47,509 --> 00:39:50,629
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars thereabouts, but the Internet keeps calling

721
00:39:50,669 --> 00:39:52,589
Speaker 2: him a billionaire, which is not the same thing. But

722
00:39:52,669 --> 00:39:55,709
Speaker 2: I guess in terms of vibe wise, it is. She

723
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:59,109
Speaker 2: doesn't start every video with Daniel's dad owns literally every

724
00:39:59,149 --> 00:40:01,709
Speaker 2: aeroplane look up in the sky. Yeah that one, that

725
00:40:01,789 --> 00:40:04,629
Speaker 2: one too, Wait, not that one because it's United mmmmm,

726
00:40:04,829 --> 00:40:08,309
Speaker 2: which is criminal. I guess you should always stay because

727
00:40:08,349 --> 00:40:14,469
Speaker 2: people feel misled. My sentence very simple, very very simple.

728
00:40:15,029 --> 00:40:17,949
Speaker 2: I need Hannah Nielman not just to go to grace,

729
00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:20,949
Speaker 2: but to go to mikinos. Oh, and I see her

730
00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:24,709
Speaker 2: dancing on a table wearing a bikini top and the

731
00:40:24,949 --> 00:40:29,629
Speaker 2: egg apron, just the ape apron, and in each egg

732
00:40:29,669 --> 00:40:33,829
Speaker 2: thing is a shot. Yeah, except for the bottom level

733
00:40:33,869 --> 00:40:38,029
Speaker 2: because it's like a two tiered thing or euros. Yeah

734
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,789
Speaker 2: you know those things. Yeah, the chips in them yep, yep, yep.

735
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:44,829
Speaker 2: So how you say it, like you're like chicken and

736
00:40:45,789 --> 00:40:50,389
Speaker 2: great kebab and like zekei. Yeah, it's like a pitter Yeah.

737
00:40:50,429 --> 00:40:53,709
Speaker 2: So she's got like six pitters. She's got like twelve shots.

738
00:40:53,909 --> 00:40:56,589
Speaker 2: She got her egg apron. She's wearing that helmet that

739
00:40:56,869 --> 00:40:59,269
Speaker 2: you wear in that bar and where they hit you

740
00:40:59,309 --> 00:41:01,189
Speaker 2: on the head and give you like a concussion. She's

741
00:41:01,189 --> 00:41:02,629
Speaker 2: doing that. And then at the end, I don't even

742
00:41:02,629 --> 00:41:03,989
Speaker 2: know if they do this, but like you know how

743
00:41:04,029 --> 00:41:06,589
Speaker 2: sometimes you just set a shot of light. She's throw

744
00:41:06,669 --> 00:41:12,389
Speaker 2: their apron in it, just buck the apron. I'm in Greece,

745
00:41:13,389 --> 00:41:15,909
Speaker 2: Daniel's not they he's looking after the kids. Tell you that,

746
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:20,149
Speaker 2: and you know what she's doing making up for the epidurals. Yeah,

747
00:41:20,189 --> 00:41:23,909
Speaker 2: twelve days, twelve EPI durals, just banging in, banging in.

748
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:27,149
Speaker 2: I feel nothing. I feel nothing, just like make up

749
00:41:27,189 --> 00:41:30,029
Speaker 2: for lost time. Yeah, I love that. Just as a

750
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:34,669
Speaker 2: bit of an addendum, amendum, addendum to yours. I think

751
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:39,829
Speaker 2: that on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, wherever the social media social

752
00:41:39,869 --> 00:41:43,629
Speaker 2: media is, I think people should have your user name

753
00:41:44,469 --> 00:41:49,629
Speaker 2: and then in brackets your wealth status. So Ballerina farm

754
00:41:49,709 --> 00:41:53,669
Speaker 2: in brackets rich yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeay ye.

755
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:57,789
Speaker 2: It's like a tick verification just so rich rich person,

756
00:41:57,949 --> 00:42:00,669
Speaker 2: which is fine. Just look at it through that line. Yeah, yeah,

757
00:42:00,669 --> 00:42:02,509
Speaker 2: these are rich people. You know how we had that

758
00:42:02,549 --> 00:42:06,949
Speaker 2: warning before about like repeating this could cause damage or

759
00:42:06,989 --> 00:42:09,589
Speaker 2: something like that. These people are rich, They're not like you. Yeah,

760
00:42:10,149 --> 00:42:12,749
Speaker 2: enough for this. Don't quit your job. Don't quit your

761
00:42:12,789 --> 00:42:15,349
Speaker 2: job by a farm with a little pet cow named Tulip.

762
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:17,869
Speaker 2: Don't don't. It will not look like this. You'll end

763
00:42:17,949 --> 00:42:22,269
Speaker 2: up in financial room. You're not gonna have eating. Your

764
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:24,669
Speaker 2: kids are gonna get scurvy because you can't feed them.

765
00:42:25,029 --> 00:42:29,309
Speaker 2: You don't know at homeschool training in your roof. Don't

766
00:42:29,309 --> 00:42:32,629
Speaker 2: do it. So my charge and center is slightly different.

767
00:42:32,989 --> 00:42:36,709
Speaker 2: I have feelings towards Daniel. Okay, you know Daniel's not

768
00:42:36,749 --> 00:42:39,749
Speaker 2: on trial, Yes he is. Because Daniel is part of

769
00:42:39,789 --> 00:42:43,829
Speaker 2: Ballerina Farm. I think that I definitionally didn't define my

770
00:42:43,869 --> 00:42:46,749
Speaker 2: scope well enough in this particular episode. No, And something

771
00:42:46,789 --> 00:42:49,629
Speaker 2: that I've learned throughout this episode is that I think

772
00:42:50,469 --> 00:42:55,189
Speaker 2: these personalities. You see somebody on social media and you

773
00:42:55,229 --> 00:42:59,349
Speaker 2: think it's them, but they are a business what and

774
00:42:59,789 --> 00:43:05,829
Speaker 2: sometimes it's gonna sell your life very controlled by Daniel. Wow. Yeah,

775
00:43:05,949 --> 00:43:07,629
Speaker 2: that should also be a little mini thing at the

776
00:43:07,629 --> 00:43:11,869
Speaker 2: bottom of morning. Just a little strict control by Daniel. Yeah,

777
00:43:12,029 --> 00:43:15,789
Speaker 2: edited by Daniel. Yeah, this was written by Daniel. Everything

778
00:43:16,029 --> 00:43:18,749
Speaker 2: was a little bit informed by him. So I get

779
00:43:18,749 --> 00:43:21,869
Speaker 2: weird vibes off Daniel, I do, Yeah, I get Megan

780
00:43:21,869 --> 00:43:25,589
Speaker 2: Agnew was trying to tell us something, yeap. And so

781
00:43:25,629 --> 00:43:28,509
Speaker 2: your charge is Daniel, Yeah, and I think, look, you know,

782
00:43:28,629 --> 00:43:32,749
Speaker 2: it's one interview and you think, okay, maybe she picked

783
00:43:32,789 --> 00:43:35,229
Speaker 2: up on some stuff that wasn't there. Yeah, but then

784
00:43:35,229 --> 00:43:39,109
Speaker 2: the apron happened. Yeah, yeah, unfortunate and that confirmed everything.

785
00:43:39,189 --> 00:43:39,509
Speaker 3: Yeah.

786
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:44,149
Speaker 2: My sentence is Ballerina Farm needs to work on Daniel's

787
00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:48,869
Speaker 2: branding a brand within a brand. He doesn't pull his

788
00:43:49,029 --> 00:43:53,589
Speaker 2: weight in that way like in a TikTok way. I

789
00:43:53,629 --> 00:43:56,989
Speaker 2: feel as though he could do more ballet Yeah, that's

790
00:43:57,029 --> 00:43:59,229
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like she's got ballet, she's got

791
00:43:59,229 --> 00:44:02,949
Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah, she's single handedly growing this business. So

792
00:44:02,989 --> 00:44:05,029
Speaker 2: she does a PR marketing side, and he does I

793
00:44:05,029 --> 00:44:07,549
Speaker 2: don't know, the business stuff, something like more of the

794
00:44:07,669 --> 00:44:10,109
Speaker 2: land work or whatever they do kind of fifty fifty. Okay,

795
00:44:10,149 --> 00:44:14,349
Speaker 2: Well I'm gonna need more Daniel content. Yeah, right, because

796
00:44:14,789 --> 00:44:15,949
Speaker 2: your reputation isn't great.

797
00:44:16,749 --> 00:44:17,069
Speaker 1: Yeah.

798
00:44:17,149 --> 00:44:18,949
Speaker 2: Yeah. And to build that back up and to make

799
00:44:18,949 --> 00:44:23,189
Speaker 2: sure that you're not pulling Ballerina Farm down, you need

800
00:44:23,229 --> 00:44:26,229
Speaker 2: to establish who is Daniel? Yeah? What can he do?

801
00:44:26,629 --> 00:44:28,509
Speaker 2: What can he do? What are his interests? What are

802
00:44:28,509 --> 00:44:29,069
Speaker 2: his hobbies?

803
00:44:29,429 --> 00:44:29,669
Speaker 1: Yeah?

804
00:44:29,749 --> 00:44:31,389
Speaker 2: So I want a farm too. I brought to you

805
00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:36,189
Speaker 2: by Daniel. What's in the ditch? What's in the ditch?

806
00:44:36,229 --> 00:44:39,389
Speaker 2: With Daniel Content? Serious? It's easy do an interview with one,

807
00:44:39,629 --> 00:44:44,989
Speaker 2: Part two, Part three. I want Tulip's journey from friendly

808
00:44:45,069 --> 00:44:51,709
Speaker 2: cow to children's burger. Yes, I want Daniel wearing the

809
00:44:51,749 --> 00:44:54,509
Speaker 2: apron and picking the eggs. Yeah, yeah, I don't think

810
00:44:54,509 --> 00:45:00,029
Speaker 2: you pick eggs. No, they don't grand trees. No. You

811
00:45:00,029 --> 00:45:01,389
Speaker 2: know know what I was going to say is I

812
00:45:01,429 --> 00:45:03,669
Speaker 2: was going to say they fall out of cows and

813
00:45:03,709 --> 00:45:07,989
Speaker 2: they don't they fall out a chicken chickens. Okay, what

814
00:45:08,189 --> 00:45:11,149
Speaker 2: he needs to do? Also another contents. I think he

815
00:45:11,189 --> 00:45:13,309
Speaker 2: needs to do a content series. It's like surprises for

816
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:16,869
Speaker 2: Hannah because I need to appear to be a better husband. Yeah,

817
00:45:17,029 --> 00:45:21,789
Speaker 2: let's convert the children's classroom into that ballet studio. Yeah,

818
00:45:21,869 --> 00:45:24,669
Speaker 2: I think that'd be nice. I'd like it on tiktop.

819
00:45:24,789 --> 00:45:27,669
Speaker 2: Do the children need a classroom? No, absolutely not. They

820
00:45:27,669 --> 00:45:29,269
Speaker 2: can learn from the land. Do you want to know

821
00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:32,709
Speaker 2: what else? Say? Sell because I've just I've finally had it. Well.

822
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:36,269
Speaker 2: Do you want a special box of beef jerky that's

823
00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:40,709
Speaker 2: gonna cost you two hundred and twenty five dollars? Jesse Jesse,

824
00:45:40,949 --> 00:45:47,029
Speaker 2: Danielie taking the piss? No, what I think it's chilip expense.

825
00:45:48,709 --> 00:45:51,589
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it special. It's Chilip in the jerky

826
00:45:51,789 --> 00:45:54,469
Speaker 2: limited edition. You know that protein powder I mentioned one

827
00:45:54,509 --> 00:45:56,749
Speaker 2: hundred and one dollars. Do you want a sour dough

828
00:45:56,829 --> 00:45:58,869
Speaker 2: kit that's going to set you back one hundred and

829
00:45:58,869 --> 00:46:03,069
Speaker 2: thirty five expensive? Really price point? Do you want some

830
00:46:03,149 --> 00:46:07,869
Speaker 2: salt for twenty three dollars Jesus my goodness? Or maybe

831
00:46:07,909 --> 00:46:13,309
Speaker 2: you want some Enameli soap for thirty four dollars. We

832
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:15,309
Speaker 2: do have an apron. It's not the egg apron, but

833
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Speaker 2: Hannah's wearing it and it looks like the apron and

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Speaker 2: it's thirty seven dollars. It's not good for eggs. Very

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00:46:20,949 --> 00:46:23,549
Speaker 2: very odd. I have so much stuff. Okay, before we go,

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Speaker 2: you have a lazy girl story I do. This is

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Speaker 2: from Ali. I'm a single mother to a sixteen month old.

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Speaker 2: He was donor conceived. The logistics of that isn't lazy. No,

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Speaker 2: I actually think that that donor conceived IVF in fact

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Speaker 2: falling pregnant at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:46:41,429 --> 00:46:43,549
Speaker 2: It actually involves you doing a thing and then your

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00:46:43,629 --> 00:46:46,189
Speaker 2: body doing a thing without you even thinking about it,

844
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:49,789
Speaker 2: and it keeps doing it. Yeah. Yeah, But I just

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00:46:49,909 --> 00:46:52,469
Speaker 2: opened my linen covered and noticed I still have the

846
00:46:52,549 --> 00:46:56,749
Speaker 2: sharps containers from all three rounds I've moved house, but

847
00:46:56,909 --> 00:47:00,349
Speaker 2: taking them to wherever they go seems a lot. I

848
00:47:00,349 --> 00:47:02,789
Speaker 2: would also feel like I had to explain it, and

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00:47:02,829 --> 00:47:05,429
Speaker 2: that's just too much. I think they'll just day in

850
00:47:05,469 --> 00:47:09,389
Speaker 2: the back of the closet. This is very an allegory

851
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Speaker 2: for things that are unclear. How you do a disposed

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00:47:13,029 --> 00:47:16,029
Speaker 2: It's like come oil, don't put it down. The sink,

853
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:17,709
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I won't and then I just leave

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00:47:17,749 --> 00:47:19,349
Speaker 2: it next to the sink for like six months. All

855
00:47:19,429 --> 00:47:21,509
Speaker 2: like batteries, you're not meant to put that. I think

856
00:47:21,509 --> 00:47:24,069
Speaker 2: you're meant to put them in the bin, but it's like, hmm,

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00:47:24,909 --> 00:47:27,749
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need a good reason why. Or like glass,

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00:47:27,989 --> 00:47:31,549
Speaker 2: when you smash a glass, you're like baffled, baffled, baffled

859
00:47:31,549 --> 00:47:33,589
Speaker 2: as to what to do with that? Yeah, bury it

860
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:35,509
Speaker 2: in your garden. Yeah, I don't know what you do

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00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:37,789
Speaker 2: with your sharps. And then a lot of who buys

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00:47:37,789 --> 00:47:40,869
Speaker 2: a sharp's disposal box? And from where I take it

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Speaker 2: to the local shopping center or something, Yeah, because a

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00:47:43,189 --> 00:47:45,149
Speaker 2: lot of those places have a sharp's dispoke. But can

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Speaker 2: you throw like all your sharp feels like you're taking advantage? Yeah?

866
00:47:49,149 --> 00:47:51,389
Speaker 2: And who do you ask? And it's always a lot

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Speaker 2: when you have something quite confronting on you that you're

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Speaker 2: asking about. Yeah. For example, I raise a shit sample

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00:47:58,789 --> 00:48:02,309
Speaker 2: recently to your pooh sample? Where would I hypothetically leave

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00:48:02,349 --> 00:48:05,509
Speaker 2: a Pooh sample? Is it in your hand right now? Yeah?

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00:48:05,549 --> 00:48:07,749
Speaker 2: Can I give it to you?

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00:48:07,789 --> 00:48:07,909
Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Should I just leave it in the Please don't

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00:48:10,989 --> 00:48:13,429
Speaker 2: late with a letterbox? I'll just leave it here on

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Speaker 2: the counter. Everybody in the waiting room is watching, and

876
00:48:18,229 --> 00:48:21,149
Speaker 2: you always try and hide it. Why is it clear?

877
00:48:22,229 --> 00:48:24,509
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be clear. I feel very that

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00:48:24,909 --> 00:48:28,069
Speaker 2: about the sharps containers. In case you didn't believe us

879
00:48:28,109 --> 00:48:30,229
Speaker 2: when we said we were giving away a trip to Turkey,

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00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:34,389
Speaker 2: our winner, Amy has sent in a voice memo about

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00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:37,589
Speaker 2: her trip because, in not very lazy old fashion, she's

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00:48:37,629 --> 00:48:40,389
Speaker 2: already been. I love the Efficiency High team.

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Speaker 3: This is Amy, the winner of the Highlights of Turkey competition.

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Speaker 3: We have been and gone on the trip and I'm

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Speaker 3: still feeling so emotional over how life changing it was.

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00:48:50,149 --> 00:48:52,749
Speaker 3: We soaked up every single moment from the huge range

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Speaker 3: of experiences across the eight days, from exploring Istanbul and

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Speaker 3: Gallipoli and ancient cities and seeing Suu turtles swim right

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00:48:59,989 --> 00:49:02,989
Speaker 3: by our of a cruise boat. Amongst all the highlights,

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Speaker 3: it was the little things that meant the most to us.

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00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:07,669
Speaker 3: Things are only a guided tour could really bring, like

892
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Speaker 3: eating at authentic restaurants in back alleys and building bonds

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Speaker 3: with other TOOL members. We couldn't believe how easy it

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00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:16,749
Speaker 3: was to book the trip from the day the competition

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Speaker 3: was drawn. We were on a plane within just three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Amy from Explore Worldwide and Tappy, our

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Speaker 3: travel agent. Turkey has never been on our radar, especially

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Speaker 3: at this stage in our lives, but I can't brag

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Speaker 3: about it enough. And if you've always thought that tours

900
00:49:32,189 --> 00:49:36,269
Speaker 3: weren't for you, give it a go. Explore Worldwide was fabulous,

901
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:39,029
Speaker 3: no fast, no stress, but a whole lot of fun

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Speaker 3: and adventure. We are forever thankful.

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Speaker 2: Amy, We are so glad that you had a nice time.

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Speaker 2: If you want the chance to win prizes without having

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00:49:49,269 --> 00:49:52,789
Speaker 2: to lift a finger, subscribe to Mama Maya via the

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Speaker 2: link in our show notes and you'll be entered into

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Speaker 2: all current and future Lazy Girl give boways. Thank you

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00:49:59,309 --> 00:50:02,429
Speaker 2: so much for joining us on this episode of Canceled.

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Speaker 2: The producer of Canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production

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Speaker 2: by Leah porge'es, and we will be back next week.

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Speaker 2: BA five