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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy,

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Speaker 1: but tired and worn, just some of the feelings when

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Speaker 1: but everyone goes through the same hopes and fears. So

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Speaker 1: this is a segment we hope helps you feel supported

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Speaker 1: and valid. The mum Juggles reel the good, bad, the ugly,

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Speaker 1: the best and worst day. It's part of the journey

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Speaker 1: to seize the Babe. I'm Sarah Davidson, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur who hung up the suits and heels to co

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Speaker 1: found Macha Maiden, a Macha Milk Bar, become a TV

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Speaker 1: and radio presenter, and of course host The Sees the

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Speaker 1: Ya Podcast. This year, I added motherhood to that list,

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Speaker 1: which is the best job I've ever had with our

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Speaker 1: beautiful baby Teddy, and this segment was designed to house

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Speaker 1: all the conversations we've been having about parenthood. We'll still

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Speaker 1: do our regular episodes, and just like real life, it's

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Speaker 1: a constant balance between our parent identity and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy this segment as much as

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Speaker 1: I have enjoyed creating it. Hello, Lovely neighborhood, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: our second episode of Seiza Babe. Thank you all so

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Speaker 1: so much for the lovely feedback on our debut episode

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Speaker 1: last week with Jen covering the Juggle. I'm just so

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Speaker 1: glad it ended up being as reassuring for some of

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Speaker 1: was such a good one to start with because it

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Speaker 1: was like a real time dear diary moment. I had

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Speaker 1: been really struggling with the juggle and finding the right

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Speaker 1: balance between work and parenthood and life, and Jen had

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Speaker 1: been such a role model and great support at that time,

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Speaker 1: drawing on the things that had come up in her

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Speaker 1: book on the juggle, so it all just seemed to

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Speaker 1: work out really well. I'm already enjoying this segment so much,

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Speaker 1: being able to answer all the mum questions that you

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Speaker 1: guys have in so much more detail than I can

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Speaker 1: on socials. And it probably also is easier to listen

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Speaker 1: to and be more real or vulnerable when you actually

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Speaker 1: get to hear someone say it rather than read what

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Speaker 1: And we're going back to back just for this week.

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Speaker 1: Firstly because I've oji answers on this topic traveling with

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Speaker 1: which is now months ago. I keep saying, I promise

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Speaker 1: why this segment is so great, because now it has

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Speaker 1: somewhere to live. And secondly because we are freshly back

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Speaker 1: from more travel with Teddy to Sydney a couple of

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Speaker 2: Again tomorrow with him.

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Speaker 1: Well it will be tomorrow by the time this is published,

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Speaker 1: the parenthood content, which is absolutely fine. We will be

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Speaker 1: those will keep dropping fortnightly. For today, though, I thought

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Speaker 1: then had the travel pram with us. I would highly

436
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: recommend a travel pram. I think most of them do,

437
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: but that kind of you can take, you know, in

438
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 1: the airport like as you carry on. Most of them

439
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: sort of flip down into a carry on size. We

440
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: use the reds Baby Skip, which has an amazingly easy

441
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 1: fold down and fold back out mechanism. It's really compact

442
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: the amount of times when you're checking in. It's sort

443
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: of slightly different for each airline, but you do have

444
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: to take the baby out of the carrier or take

445
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: them out of the pram and fold it down at security,

446
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: so you're kind of getting out in out a lot.

447
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: So getting one that's really easily foldable is so useful.

448
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: And we just alternated him being in the carrier or

449
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: the pram depending on sort of how he was feeling,

450
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: what else we were carrying, but having both was really

451
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: really useful and I can highly recommend the Red Bread's

452
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: Baby Skips. Another question was whether I considered other options.

453
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: We didn't at the time because both I think the

454
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: Jewels and the Bugaboo both had either a newborn bassinet,

455
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: but that didn't fold, or they had the toddler setting

456
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: which did fold, but Teddy wasn't big enough because he

457
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: was four months old. The reds Baby had like a

458
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: middle option which didn't require you to take the newborn bascinet,

459
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: but it did allow him to lean like sit up

460
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: in the toddler configuration, but lean back a tiny bit

461
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: so he could still have his neck supported. And so

462
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: that seemed like the only real option that we had

463
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: that we had looked at, and we love it. I

464
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: recommend it so highly. I still use it all the time,

465
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: and that was really helpful. Yes, So the process of

466
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: getting him on the plane was he was in the carrier,

467
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: then on the layover he was in the travel pram

468
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: because it was easier. One of the things about the

469
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: carrier I will say is once you get to really

470
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: hot weather, it's you get really sweaty and they get

471
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: really hot and airports can be quite hot sometimes. So

472
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: that's when we swapped him to the travel pram and

473
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: pushed him around right up into the gate until we

474
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: had to fold it down, which was just before we

475
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: got on the plane. And again, a lot of airlines

476
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: get let families on the plane earlier, so you have

477
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: room to put your travel pram overhead, and yeah, everyone's

478
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: really helpful. Number eight on the plane. This is the

479
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: bit that people are often the nervous about it, and

480
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: I definitely was. And my top tip here is chances are,

481
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: even if they're a dream, at some point they will

482
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: cry a little bit for some reason, maybe not necessarily

483
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: on a domestic flight and a twenty four hour flight,

484
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna cry because they cry at home.

485
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: So at some point they'll cry.

486
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: And at some point you'll get that sweaty, cold filly

487
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: on your neck that everyone's looking at you and it's

488
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: so awkward and oh my god. But firstly, my tip

489
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: is other parents traveling in my experience at least have

490
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: been so compassionate. They'll give you a warm nod or say, look,

491
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: we've all been there, or they'll just you know, say

492
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: what can I carry for you? Or they'll often help you.

493
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: Or if there's someone who's giving you death stairs and

494
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: they don't understand the situation you're in, you'll probably never

495
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: see them again. Like, you've all paid the same to

496
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: be there. You have the right to be there, and

497
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard to remember in the moment

498
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: when they cry. Every second feels like five hours, but

499
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: you just have to let go of the fact that

500
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: it's probably going to happen. It's not the worst thing.

501
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, you deserve to be there as much as

502
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: everyone else. But generally, in my experience, people have been

503
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: kinder than you expect. So, and then in a long

504
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: haul flight, at least when you do need to get

505
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: up and go into the galley, you can bop them around.

506
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: You don't have to be stuck in your seat. You

507
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: can kind of walk them up and down. But yeah,

508
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: it will happen. Don't stress. And like I said before,

509
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, it's twenty four hours of your life.

510
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, people often, especially in those bigger planes, like

511
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: Teddy cried quite a bit on the way over because

512
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't nap in his bassinet. He got so overtired.

513
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: But everyone has their headphones on so most people didn't

514
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: even hear him, so it's totally fine. The other question

515
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: about on the plane was routine wise, Did we stick

516
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: to it? As I mentioned before, Yes, as much as possible.

517
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: We stayed on the old time zone, and this was

518
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: from a lot of the research I did. The biggest

519
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: recommendation I got was stay on the old time zone

520
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: until you arrive, because you know that as closely as

521
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: you can. That's what their bodies used to. So you

522
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: want to get the best out of your baby as

523
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: long as you can, and that's by sticking to their routine.

524
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: And then once you get there, that's when you swap

525
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: to the next one. And I've got tips on that,

526
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: you know in a couple of couple more dot points down,

527
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: but that's what we did.

528
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: Anyway.

529
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: We didn't do a middle phase. We just stuck to

530
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: I kept my phone. One tip that was helpful is

531
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: I didn't let my phone automatically change the clock and

532
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I just stayed on Melbourne time until we arrived. Tip

533
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: nine relates to that, and that is one of the

534
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: main ways you can do that because the airport, the

535
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: airlines are turning lights on and off and doing dinner

536
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: and breakfast dinner kind of manipulated way to help adults

537
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: get on the time zone is to be able to

538
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: control the light. So the overall tip at point nine

539
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: is be prepared for the flight and pack your carry

540
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: on really carefully as if you might have a delay,

541
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: because I think we sometimes think about what we need

542
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: if everything goes smoothly, and put every try and put

543
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: every everything else in checking so that you're not carrying

544
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But if you have a major

545
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: delay you can't get to your check in, assume that

546
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: you might need a few extra of everything so that

547
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: you could kind of get by if you were delayed

548
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. So really be prepared in packing your

549
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: carry on. And one of the things for us that

550
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: was an absolute game changer was the one we used anyway.

551
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: It was called the cozy Go, and that's like this

552
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: cover that goes over the bacinet and blocks out all

553
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: the light. It's still breathable, but it blocks the light

554
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: so that it feels like nighttime for them and that

555
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: allows you to just control and you can put it

556
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: over the pram as well, so it just allows you

557
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: to increase the likelihood that the baby is going to

558
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: have a nap when you need them to, even if

559
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: the adults all have their lights on because they're trying

560
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: to feel like it's daytime for them to adjust to

561
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: the time zone, especially in airports when everything is bright

562
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: all the time. The cozy Go in our carara was

563
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: like just such a game changer for slightly older kids

564
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: if they're not in a b I think there's lots

565
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: of other things like that that.

566
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: Are really helpful.

567
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: I think there's like one called cushy Kids, or something

568
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: that turns the normal seat into like a small bed

569
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: that they can lie on. There's also like kid friendly

570
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: earphones that are in like a headband that are really helpful.

571
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: Teddy wasn't up to that stage, but you can research

572
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: those things. The biggest thing I would pack is extra

573
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: outfits for both of you, more than you would ever expect.

574
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: One of the things I didn't know is their bowels

575
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: often relaxed quite a bit, and we had two unbelievable

576
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: punamis unbelievable one in the first four hours, and I

577
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: was like, we can't carry this material for the next

578
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: seventeen hours. So I threw out the entire outfit, and

579
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: then he did another one on the next plane, and

580
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness. I thought packing three

581
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: changes of clothes was excessive, but now way down to

582
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: one clean pair if anything else happened, so overpack outfits

583
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: for them. Kids have a lot of bodily fluids, and

584
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: pack extra outfits for you as well. Another thing that

585
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: really helped for us is oh another huge a few sorry,

586
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm losing it. This point nine has

587
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: lots of abcds, so as well as extra outfits, pack obviously.

588
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Enough nappies.

589
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: Nappy bags for throwing them out or putting wet clothes in.

590
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: One of the most useful tips for us was a

591
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: change mat because all airports and planes have changed tables,

592
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: but they're often not padded. They're just hard, and there's

593
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: also sort of not necessarily like a clean protector on it,

594
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: and I just didn't want to put Teddy down on

595
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: anything especially hard, but also just that hadn't necessarily been

596
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: like that was clean, but that I didn't know what

597
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: had been on it. So we have a Bunny Caddy

598
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: travel change mat that's a little bit padded. That was

599
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: amazing for changing on the go, and we took that

600
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: everywhere that we went once we were there as well.

601
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: Take enough medication on the plane panat all, whatever you

602
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: might need for your little one forget to pack that

603
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: in your carry on for their ears if anything happens

604
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: along the way. We also took baby fest which is

605
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: like the nasal spray to help clear his nose and ears,

606
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: and then the snotty boss, which is what we used

607
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: to clear his snot Teddy wasn't quite at the stage

608
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: of playing with toys a lot because it was quite little.

609
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: Now he would be. But another tip I got is

610
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: bring some new toys that he's not seen before so

611
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: that they're not bored of them, and open them throughout

612
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: the flight, because twenty four hours is a really long time,

613
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: so that they've got something novel each like to keep

614
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: them distracted, particularly if you don't want to do much

615
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: screen time, and no judgment if you do. I can

616
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: totally imagine that it's just you know, anything for survival

617
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to traveling. But yeah, the new toys

618
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: tip was one. And then for us this is quite personal,

619
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: but Teddy really really responds well to music, particularly when

620
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: he's like crying or not feeling great. So we had

621
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: a soundtrack and we still use it everywhere. That was preloaded,

622
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: so we downloaded it so that it was available offline

623
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: if there wasn't Wi Fi on the plane, or it

624
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: wasn't working, or there wasn't WiFi we could connect to

625
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: in the airport. Pre download that like the Happy Song,

626
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Baby Shark, all those emergency songs that was a really

627
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: good tip because we used them more than I thought

628
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: we would. Tip ten for their ears. They're much more

629
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: sensitive than adults' ears are. The biggest tip that I

630
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: read before we went for the actual flight itself is

631
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to feed them on the way up and on the

632
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: way down, because swallowing helps clear their ears, because they

633
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: can't often yawn themselves at that early age, so you

634
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: kind of feeding them helps them do that by swallowing.

635
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: That's all well and good, except that most of you

636
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: will know that trying to feed a baby at exactly

637
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: a particular time, sometimes you can. Often you can't, Like

638
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Teddy would get hungry, or we'd be on the TIMEAC

639
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: longer than I thought and he'd need to feed before

640
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: we took off, or I'd start and then we wouldn't

641
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: actually with taxi for a lot and he would have

642
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: finished before we took off or whatever, or you know,

643
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: we just didn't last the window. Like there's just so

644
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: many logistics already. So another alternative is if they have

645
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: a dummy that sucking also works, or if they are

646
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: drinking water, maybe their water bottle.

647
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: They all helped.

648
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: If they're really really sensitive, ask your doctor about panadol

649
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: or some kind of pain relief and how you should

650
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: do that if that's your choice, like consult a professional

651
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: for that. But yet the tip was feeding on the

652
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: way up or down and I managed it twice and

653
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: the other takeoffs and landings we use the dummy number eleven.

654
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: Once you arrive, you kind of forget about the fact

655
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: that you won't have your own car seat in your car.

656
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: We hired a car and we pre booked a car

657
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: with a baby seat in it. But even in Sydney

658
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: for example, like there are different rules in New South

659
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Wales and Victoria on babies under the age of whatever

660
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it is whether they can go on your lap or

661
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: whether they need a baby seat, so always look that

662
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: up before you go to take the stress out of it.

663
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: You might want to pre book a transport that has

664
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: a baby seat in it, and particularly if you're at

665
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: that age where it still needs to be rear facing.

666
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: A lot of cabs have front facing seats, like you

667
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: can just book any maxicab and they often have them,

668
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: but if you want a rear facing one for a

669
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: smaller baby, you often have to book it. So I

670
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: would look up the rules before you go and work

671
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: out you know what you need. And then my big

672
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: tip here is take like a light muslin rap or

673
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: something that folds down really small and won't bother you

674
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: too much. But because you can't necessarily like sterilize the

675
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: entire seat, and they've been used by lots of different children,

676
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: we kind of put that rap over it before we

677
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: put Teddy in it, so that the bits that his

678
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: face were touching on the rap and not on the chair.

679
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: That was really useful and we did that in Sydney

680
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: the other day as well. Number twelve the time difference,

681
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: so I've kind of covered the fact that we didn't.

682
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: We kept him on the Melbourne time zone as long

683
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: as possible, and that just means, yeah, you're more likely

684
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: to get a more predictable baby for as long as

685
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: you can. Once you get there. They also get jet lag.

686
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Of course, it's really hard. In Europe, it was like

687
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: the complete opposite time. Sometimes it's like the younger they are,

688
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: the less they have a circadian rhythm, so maybe it's easier.

689
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: But Teddy had just figured out night and day and

690
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: then we went and flipped it on him. So Victoria

691
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: gave me the biggest tip before we went, and that

692
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: was get them up and out in the morning. First

693
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: thing in the morning, get them up and out so

694
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: they get light in their eyes and that helps them

695
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: kind of recalibrate, So this is morning time, and then

696
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: you try and get them on the time zone as

697
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: soon as you can. But at the same time, and

698
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: again this is probably quite personal, but my advice anyway

699
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: is that get them up and out in the mornings,

700
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: same for you, even if you want to sleep, and

701
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: it will help you all to get sun light in

702
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: your eyes. Then kind of try and get back to

703
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: your normal routine as soon as you can, except.

704
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: That, of course, they will be really tired. And some

705
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: of the.

706
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Advice is don't let them sleep longer than their normal

707
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: nap time. I would say let them sleep a little

708
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: bit longer, because if they're overtired, they won't sleep and

709
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: that's even worse, and then you're sort of chasing yourself.

710
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: So we sort of got Teddy.

711
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Up really early in the morning and then gave him

712
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: his normal naps. Is ish, but let him have longer

713
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: naps for those ones. And yes, of course, like don't

714
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: let them have an overnight length sleep during the day

715
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: because then they'll just keep thinking it's nighttime.

716
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: But we would kind.

717
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: Of you know, he went two hour he's a thirty

718
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: minute napper, and we'd let him have like two hour

719
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: naps because he needed to still catch up on the

720
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: fact that even in a really good scenario, we had

721
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: a dream flight on the way home, but he's still

722
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: overall in that twenty four hour period got less sleep

723
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: than he normally would at home, so he had some

724
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: catching up to do, which means that when we got back,

725
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: we let him have slightly longer naps so he would

726
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: catch up, but just not nighttime length naps, so then

727
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: by the time he got to bed, he wasn't so

728
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: overtired that he could fall asleep. It's like that age

729
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: old thing that sleep forgets sleep. And yes, I know

730
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: there's lots of material out there saying you don't want

731
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: them to have so much sleep that they're not tired enough,

732
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think in the case of a long

733
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: haul flight you need to worry about that because they

734
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: probably won't have had the same amount of sleep as

735
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: they normally do, and you do need to let them

736
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: catch up.

737
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: A little bit.

738
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Again, this is a personal choice, but that's what worked

739
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: for us. And yeah, the day the first day, I

740
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: did kind of wake him up from a few naps,

741
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: thinking that I needed to stop him sleeping, and he

742
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: just got so overtired that yeah, I abandoned that pretty quickly,

743
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: but yet getting them up and out in the mornings

744
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: was a big tip there. Tip thirteen. Jet lag does

745
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: take them a little bit of time to get over,

746
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: so again coming back to those realistic expectations, it does

747
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: take a little while, and I was really overwhelmed when

748
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I read a few blogs that said it can take

749
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: up to seven days and we were only going for

750
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: like twelve or thirteen. I would say that it did

751
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: take seven days for him to be completely normal, but

752
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: it took maybe three for him to be more manageable.

753
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: And in light of that, I would say my tip

754
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: here is if you're going for an important event, like

755
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: a wedding, for example, don't have it in the first

756
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: three days. And this comes back to us making the bookings.

757
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: When we thought that we could fly at five am.

758
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: We also fly thought that we could fly the day

759
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: before land, then get a car, not have a night

760
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: to just recoup, get a higher car, drive three more hours. Again,

761
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: he'd also never driven for three hours and then have

762
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: one night's sleep and then have the wedding. We were

763
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: there for the next night, absolutely impossible. We realized two

764
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: days before that was not going to work, so we

765
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: had to pay, like I said, an exorbitant amount to

766
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: change it, because I was like, we're going to miss

767
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: the wedding if we don't change it.

768
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: So we're very privileged. Of course, it's a privilege.

769
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: To be able to pay the change fees, but I

770
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: just thought, you know, there's worth going otherway. So my

771
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: advice to you so you don't have to do that,

772
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: is if you do have a really important event that

773
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: you need the little one to be a bit more

774
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: routine for maybe plan that sort of.

775
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: Not in the first few days.

776
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Having said that, we did make it, and it was amazing,

777
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: and I took my mum so that she could help

778
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: with babysitting, and again that's a great privilege and it

779
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: was beautiful to have a family experience, but it was

780
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: a lot harder to make sure that by the time

781
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: we needed to leave, he was ready to sleep and

782
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: he was going to take a bottle, and part of

783
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Teddy's when he's really tired, he sort of doesn't love

784
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: his bottle, and that was really difficult, So I didn't

785
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: get to stay at the wedding for the whole time,

786
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: and I think probably the week after I would have

787
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: been able to. So I would yeah, plan any important

788
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: events after they've had a bit of time to adjust.

789
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Tip fourteen where did he sleep? So in Sydney, we

790
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: knew the hotel chain that we were staying at, and

791
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: we knew that they had We knew that the cots

792
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: would be of a particular quality. We knew that families

793
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: travel often. He's also used to, you know, sleeping in

794
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: a cot. Now he's been out of the snow. We

795
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: never went back to the snow after the trip because

796
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: we'd kind of already weaned him. So in Sydney, you know,

797
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: we were happy to trust that the hotel we were going

798
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: to how to cot. If you are going overseas, it depends,

799
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: of course on your location and on your baby, but

800
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: you can call an advance. Definitely call an advance and

801
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: work out what their options are. But in the Amalfi

802
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: Coast we were staying at an amazing hotel. But Italy overall,

803
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: sometimes like the communication isn't as great or you know,

804
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: they have different standards on certain things and there's a

805
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: language barrier. So I just wanted to, particularly for such

806
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: a big adventure, make sure that we had consistent Also,

807
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: because we were swapping hotels, I wanted Teddy to have

808
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: sort of, like I said, changing as little as possible.

809
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: I wanted him to have the same basn't the whole time.

810
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: And so for us personally, it was worth taking our

811
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: own and then at least we knew it met certain standards.

812
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: He would have been able to try it before we went.

813
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: And again I benefited enormously from Victoria Devine who had

814
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: done all the research on the one that would fold

815
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: down to be the most lightweight and fit within the

816
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: large July cases, so it didn't take up much of

817
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: that case, which was amazing. It was called the Chico

818
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: Lullago travel Coot, and it was amazing. That's the one

819
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: we gave him a couple of days before in and

820
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: it just took the stress out of it. It meant

821
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: that if they didn't have a cot setup, or they

822
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: didn't have one, or it was taken, we knew that

823
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: there was somewhere to sleep that we knew he could

824
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: fall asleep in. So my tip there is, if you

825
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: can and you want to take your own travelcot if

826
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: you can't call ahead and make sure that they have

827
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: one and that they know you've requested it, because yeah,

828
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: but then what happened with us is we arrived and

829
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: they knew we were booking in with a baby. They

830
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: did have one ready, but the bed they had for

831
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Teddy was a fold out sofa, which now maybe he'd

832
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: be able to fall asleep in, but at the time

833
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: it was four months, there was no way and things

834
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: get lost in translation, so we just thought it was

835
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: better to have our own. So my tip is, depending

836
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: on your level of anxiety about uncertainty, Yeah, we use

837
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: the Chico La Lago and highly recommend it. And the

838
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: other question in that area was did we get two

839
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: rooms with Teddy napping in one or one room? And

840
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: again this comes down to budget, how long you're going

841
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: for where you're going. I would say that we ended

842
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: up having a room for Mum because she was traveling

843
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: with us. So we did end up having two rooms

844
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: for our trip because we had Mum with us, But

845
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: in terms of Nick, Teddy and I us three were

846
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: in the same room. We didn't get two rooms for

847
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: just our unit. And that was quite difficult because you

848
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: do sound wise or like just general activity wise. Being

849
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: all in one did mean that when Teddy.

850
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: Goes to sleep, we all go to sleep.

851
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: I think there's an Airbnb ad about that that right

852
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: going around right now, that you got to sleep when

853
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: your kids go to sleep. So if there is a

854
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: way to book a room. Again, this is coming from

855
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: a place of great privilege that we had saved a

856
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: lot for this trip and we were able to kind

857
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: of have flexibility. The reason we didn't get that extra

858
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: room is because it wasn't available in the hotel. But

859
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: when we went to Sydney a couple of days ago,

860
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: we did make sure that it was a two bedroom

861
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: family set up room.

862
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: If you can make.

863
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: Sure there's a separate room with a door where the

864
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: baby can be napping so you guys can still do

865
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: stuff when they're asleep, that helps a lot because when

866
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: they are napping, they nap three times a day or

867
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: two times a day or whatever, and then they go

868
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: to sleep really early, so it kind of limits you

869
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: if you can't do that. But again, we had the

870
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: cozy go which allows you to control at least control

871
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: the light, so if we were moving around at least

872
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: if we were doing it quiet, even if it was

873
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. Another, yeah, I would highly

874
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: highly recommend getting some kind of blackout mechanism so you

875
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: can control their light. We took that to Sydney as well,

876
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: enormously helpful. And then we use the white noise machine,

877
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: which would at least kind of minimize the impact of

878
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: our sound moving around. So yeah, we had one room

879
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: for the three of us, one for mum and the

880
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: cozygo and the cot number fifteen. This is specific to

881
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: small babies and hot weather, especially babies who have never

882
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: been in hot weather ever or the reverse. It is

883
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: also not just the time zone, but they're dealing with

884
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: a different climate. Everything's going to feel weird for them,

885
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: their skin, it's all new. One thing that really helped

886
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: us was to have and actually this is probably helpful anyway.

887
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: At home, we always have small white face washes everywhere

888
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: in the house, in every bag, in every like pram

889
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: and everything, because you just need to wipe them at

890
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: all times, but particularly when it's hot and you need

891
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: to cool them down quickly, not air con always everywhere

892
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: you can just get a bottle of water or go

893
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: into a bathroom and get like literally wet the face

894
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: washer and put it on them to keep them cool.

895
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: That was so useful.

896
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: And we also always had a light muslin wrap like

897
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: a pashmina type thin piece of material, not just for

898
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: the car seat like I mentioned before, but to cover

899
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: the pram to keep the heat and like the sun out,

900
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: and also when he was napping, to keep the light out.

901
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: That was really helpful for us if you're going to

902
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: a sunny climate. Number sixteen is the things that help

903
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: you during the day, like just in general the time

904
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: between the naps. They're wake windows, pack really well for that.

905
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Don't forget that you will have time where you're not distracted,

906
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: you're not going out and seeing stuff. Particularly if it's

907
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: really hot or it's really cold, you might or a

908
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: raining you might get stuck in your room. And I've

909
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of only thought about it at the last minute,

910
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: so we actually ended up taking and this is a

911
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: very time specific thing. We don't need it anymore, but

912
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: we ended up taking the fitball with us and a

913
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: pump because it's so essential to our wake windows and

914
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: calming Teddy back home, or it was at the time

915
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: that I thought we need this. There also we need

916
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: someway for him to roll around, like he wasn't sitting up,

917
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't walk around at the time, so we needed

918
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: a play mat. So getting one that's portable for just

919
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: like when you're in the room doing nothing was really

920
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: important and you kind of forget about bringing toys for

921
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: just kicking about. So yeah, a playmat that you can

922
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: fold up, a bouncing ball if you need that. You

923
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: obviously can't necessarily take their rockers or they walk it,

924
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: they're all those things, but taking the things that are

925
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: portable was really helpful. Number seventeen bottles and sterilizing such

926
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: a big question, and that was a big part of like,

927
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: again when it comes back to their stuff taking up

928
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: so much room in the case, the feeding was a

929
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: big logistical thing. So this list, part of my list

930
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: was like extensive. Yes, we did bottles over there, particularly

931
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: because we were going out without him, but also because

932
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I was pumping and we wanted to maintain his familiarity

933
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: with bottles so that when I came back I could

934
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: still go to work. And it is really hard, because

935
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: sterilizing is really hard. I had a lot of questions

936
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: about that. The fridge control I didn't think about, but

937
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: a lot of hotel fridges aren't at the same coldness,

938
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: and milk storage is a really big thing. So what

939
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: we did is we took our normal bottles. I took

940
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: my pumps. We also took sterilizer tablets. The brand was Milton.

941
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: That was a tip from Victoria. Again, like I owe

942
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: this whole entire episode to Victoria, I should have actually

943
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: done it with her. She was just amazing with tips

944
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: like that. You can also sterilize using boiling water, so

945
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: we use the kettles a lot. One of the things

946
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: that was really helpful was and I didn't think you'd need,

947
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: but a portable bottle washing kit that like folded up

948
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: and it had a washing brush, a detergent bottle, and

949
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: a drying rack so that you could put the bottles

950
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: on something after you wash them and then you would

951
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: sterilize them later. So yeah, we kind of took everything

952
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: that we would normally use, the bottles, sterilized tablets.

953
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: I preferred to use the kettle because I thought it

954
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: was easier.

955
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: And the one problem was one of our fridges wasn't

956
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: that cold, and I wasn't super comfortable with that.

957
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: So and also because.

958
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Again stupidly, we arrived not that long before the wedding,

959
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: where well we would need bottles. I didn't have enough

960
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: time to pump enough milk for that. So the best

961
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: thing that we did there was you've heard me probably

962
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: talk about it before, is we freeze dried some of

963
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: my breast milk beforehand. And again this is quite specific

964
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: to breastfeeding mothers or parents. If you use formula, this

965
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: is not a problem because you've already got powdered milk

966
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: that is shelf stable. But if you are using breast

967
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: milk and you don't know about the fridges, that's where

968
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: Narashi was amazing because they freeze dried bags of my

969
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: frozen breast milk so that I could travel, and even

970
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: having spare milk on the plane because you don't know

971
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: that airplane travel and JETLA doesn't affect.

972
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Your supply either.

973
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: I felt a lot more comfortable because Teddy wasn't on solids,

974
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: knowing that I had powdered breast milk with the same

975
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: convenience of formula, but that it was my milk on

976
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 1: the plane in transit in case, so Teddy wouldn't starve

977
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: if my boobs just kind of dried up suddenly because

978
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: you just don't know. So I can include more links

979
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: to that, but that was really amazing for peace of

980
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: mind to just have yeah, the shelf stable, non refrigerator

981
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: needing milk, and then if you were if he was

982
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: on solids, which he was for Sydney, that's when again

983
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: it depends on what you can access at the other end.

984
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: If you do have cooking facilities and you can cook

985
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: eggs or beef or ground beef or whatever your sterup,

986
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, if you can take a nutrible whatever

987
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: your setup is, that's helpful. I also just took a

988
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: lot of pouches. We hadn't really used pouches before. I've

989
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: just preaked everything. But there are a lot of great

990
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: pouch options now that have nothing, no additives or anything.

991
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a really good option if

992
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with that, or if you're just not going

993
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: to have cooking facilities at the other end, there's some

994
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: really great brands.

995
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: So we did that for Sydney.

996
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: And I also took his wheat bigs in like a

997
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: little ziploc bag, and then I took my pump so

998
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: that I had the milk to put with it.

999
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: And Yeah, but I.

1000
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: Think if I traveled overseas for solids, I'd probably have

1001
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: a bit of a different approach. Eighteen was about heating

1002
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: up milk on the go. So the old school ways

1003
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: just use a kettle, and like all the maternal and

1004
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: child health nurses and night nannies and all the people

1005
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: that we know, or even my mom was.

1006
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: Like, just use the kettle, but we used.

1007
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: We bought one from the memo called the Jiffy. We

1008
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: tried a few and the Jiffy ended up being the

1009
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: one that we like the most. It's really portable, easy

1010
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: like it packs down really small. We took that so

1011
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: that we could heat up milk as we went. Another

1012
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: tip though, is if you're in really hot weather, it

1013
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be as hot as it normally is.

1014
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Teddy tolerated it a lot cooler because he was hot,

1015
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: so we might not have needed like a full on warmer.

1016
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: But yeap, that's what we use the Jiffy.

1017
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: And that's also so all of the products that I've

1018
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: mentioned pretty much are in my packing list, but I've

1019
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: also got baby essentials like page that has the links

1020
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: to all of them, so I'll put that in the

1021
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: show notes as well. Number nineteen. This is one from

1022
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: my sister in law who always said with kids, if

1023
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: they have an absolute meltdown, and they probably will at

1024
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: some point, because they also sometimes might at home. Like

1025
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: that's the other thing you've got to remember is if

1026
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: they cry, they also cry at home. If they have meltdown,

1027
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: sometimes they have those at home too. But also you

1028
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: have to have so much compassion for them, their tiny

1029
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: little humans, and they're seeing a whole new world. They're

1030
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: new to the world anyway, but you're showing them a

1031
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: whole nother new world. Of course, it's going to be overwhelming,

1032
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: and the poor little things, it's a lot to drag

1033
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: on to the other end of the world. So there

1034
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: will be a couple of meltdown moments. But my sister

1035
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: in law always says, either put them in nature or

1036
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: just add water, and so if you can get outside,

1037
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: that also, like always really helps. But one of the

1038
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: things that helped me when Teddy was having quite a

1039
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: meltdown when we first got there, he was like, what

1040
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: is this hot place with the opposite time zone without

1041
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: my staff, I'm tired, I don't know what's going on.

1042
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: He just yeah, absolutely, and like he was really good

1043
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: on the planes, but he actually he's like kind of

1044
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: meltdown was after we arrived, when he was just done.

1045
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I jumped in the shower with him and just add

1046
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: water in a bath or in a shower is so calming.

1047
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: I'd never jumped in a shower with him before, but

1048
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: that just like was a circuit breaker he needed. And

1049
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I found that a really valuable tip when you just

1050
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: went all else fails, You're bouncing, you're you know, padding,

1051
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: you're shushing, and none of it's working. Is just jump

1052
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: in the shower. That's not like expert advice by any means,

1053
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: but that helped me. And then number twenty, I can't

1054
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: believe I've monologued for like a bloody hour. I thought

1055
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: this was going to be a half an hour thing.

1056
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to give as much information as

1057
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: you guys might find it helpful or useful, and I

1058
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: hope it has been. But number twenty and I've probably

1059
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: missed stuff. But someone asked anything I do differently, And

1060
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is just be kind to yourself.

1061
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: It is there's nothing I would do differently because I

1062
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: couldn't know what I couldn't know. You've just got to

1063
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: try it. It's hard traveling with the child. You're doing

1064
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: the best you can. You're doing an amazing thing, and

1065
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: it's not the same as travel before. And just like

1066
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: we said in Jen's episode, you're not the same person

1067
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: you were but were before, and you do say goodbye

1068
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: to your old identity, So you also say goodbye to

1069
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: the old way that you traveled for a little while,

1070
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: not forever. You will be able to when they're bigger,

1071
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of go back to that same kind of independent travel.

1072
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: But you also gain a whole new identity and you

1073
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: gain a whole new set of experiences. And seeing your

1074
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: favorite tiny human that you made see the world is

1075
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: special in a way that I can't even describe. It

1076
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: is so worth it. It's one of the best things we've done.

1077
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: It's not as hard as you think. You will be

1078
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: amazing again. Even if it is, you will only remember

1079
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: the good bits. And I hope that this is at

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Speaker 1: least help you feel a little bit more prepared and excited.

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Speaker 1: But if I have missed anything, please let me know.

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Speaker 1: If you have any further questions, please let me know.

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Speaker 1: This is meant to be bite sized, so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to cut myself off now. But I hope that that's

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Speaker 1: been as much detail as you had hoped for, and please, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys know I love keeping the communication channels open.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you get as much

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Speaker 1: value as you can. Remember this is my specific anecdotal information.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm that like TNZ disclaimer at the

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Speaker 1: end of an at But yeah, I hope this was useful.

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Speaker 1: Let me know what you thought. Good luck on whatever

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Speaker 1: travel you have, and we'll be back in a fortnight

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Speaker 1: with the next one, which I think will be on

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Speaker 1: the sleep progression. I have so much to say on

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Speaker 1: that it'll probably be longer, but chat to you guys then.