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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure doing with you because I feel

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Speaker 3: like we can just have a chat about things we

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Speaker 2: The only things missing is just like a little cocktail

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Speaker 2: in the side. Today on the show, we are talking

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Speaker 2: about Blake Lily's new movie It Ends with Us. We

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Speaker 2: are also going to be talking about some of our

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Speaker 1: It's so controversial, but I think we're allowed to say.

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Speaker 2: We're allowed to say it. You can fight us in

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Speaker 2: But first we have some news from the actual premiere.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna sound funny now when I say the news

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Speaker 3: is that Blake Lively will the same dress as Britney Spears.

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Speaker 3: But it is part of a larger conversation I want

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Speaker 3: to have with you. It's a fasaty dress Brittany watered

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. Yeah, Blake's wearing it now.

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Speaker 3: It's all over the news. We are media literate enough

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Speaker 3: now to know that this is a very intentional decision

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Speaker 3: I think Barbie is like the perfect kind of example

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Speaker 3: Yes, And it makes me think because this isn't something

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Speaker 3: like feminism has come so far right and these women

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Speaker 3: good at their craft and they're amazing actors. Yet we

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Speaker 2: I do think it's a bit interesting because I think,

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Speaker 1: Like that's a really good way of putting in.

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Speaker 2: And it's something that I can't get over because if

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Speaker 2: So her jewelry like each she wore like probably about

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Speaker 2: It Ends with Us starring Blake Lively. I think this

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Speaker 1: More power to you, baby girl, live.

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Speaker 2: Your life percent I agree completely, And also watching this

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Speaker 2: And I think they absolutely nailed it, like some of

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Speaker 1: Which is a huge call because the physical loved book,

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Speaker 1: Like you just expect that all the book girly is

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Speaker 1: but I love to hear that with all that pressure,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: I think if we can take a piece of art

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Speaker 1: To be intelligent, be like, but it's not as good

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Speaker 3: But hey, cinema is not like a lesser than art

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: So I thought we'd get a bit crafty, we get

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Speaker 2: so you can give me some confidence. What is your

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Speaker 3: I loved the book Crazy Rich Asians. It devoured it

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Speaker 2: It's so good. I think the book I did watch

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Speaker 1: Well for spraying groundbreaking.

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Speaker 2: But what I really loved about it was that it

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Speaker 3: Love that, and also like Meryl Streep amazing the movie

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Speaker 1: It's going to bring another dimension that book doesn't have.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a really great call. And I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to rewatch that film. If you're listening

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Speaker 2: So let us know what you think of our list.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree do you disagree? You can always dm

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Speaker 1: We're here to eat and drink and move it into

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Speaker 2: Future, cutting fishes in your You're covered in fish Cottage am.

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Speaker 3: I, which is on Netflix. To Cameron, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: But I like how this is a bit cheekier and funnier,

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Speaker 2: Like this nice. I feel like my recommendation is no surprise.

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Speaker 1: For fifteen seconds. That's all it takes to completely change everything.

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Speaker 3: Been a long time.

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Speaker 2: The storyline is depicted so well. It touches on like

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Speaker 1: Do it bad? Some of that happens if you need

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Speaker 2: It is quite a hard like film, Like it's not

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Speaker 2: That is out in cinema. So old school baby gotta

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 2: We have some good news for you Spills because our

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Speaker 2: You're going to be here the whole of next week

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having you guys, have a safe and wonderful weekend.

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