1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waterers 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,544 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,584 --> 00:00:29,824 Speaker 1: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick, 6 00:00:29,904 --> 00:00:32,304 Speaker 1: and today we're joined by a very special guest whose 7 00:00:32,384 --> 00:00:33,904 Speaker 1: voice might sound a little familiar. 8 00:00:34,184 --> 00:00:37,464 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Cassemie Lukic and Casanyr. 9 00:00:37,024 --> 00:00:39,304 Speaker 1: Host another one of our Mamma podcast a bit of 10 00:00:39,304 --> 00:00:41,704 Speaker 1: a different speed to this one. I'd say so. 11 00:00:41,904 --> 00:00:43,224 Speaker 2: Entertainment is my first love. 12 00:00:43,264 --> 00:00:45,944 Speaker 3: But currently I'm hosting Diary of a Birth, which is 13 00:00:46,104 --> 00:00:48,384 Speaker 3: stories of women's births, which I'm absolutely loving. But it's 14 00:00:48,384 --> 00:00:50,344 Speaker 3: really nice to be here with you guys on the 15 00:00:50,424 --> 00:00:52,784 Speaker 3: Spill and talk all things entertainment. 16 00:00:52,784 --> 00:00:54,144 Speaker 2: This is really my first love. 17 00:00:54,064 --> 00:00:56,224 Speaker 1: Yes, because you do have a big entertainment background. Because 18 00:00:56,224 --> 00:00:57,864 Speaker 1: I was saying to you before we started, awkwardly that 19 00:00:57,944 --> 00:01:00,424 Speaker 1: I remember seeing you when I first got into entertainment 20 00:01:00,424 --> 00:01:03,064 Speaker 1: in Sydney, seeing you at junkits, seeing you at Red Carpets. 21 00:01:03,064 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 1: I didn't say hello because I was like shy and 22 00:01:04,544 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone. But you've been in the game 23 00:01:06,784 --> 00:01:07,224 Speaker 1: for a while. 24 00:01:07,344 --> 00:01:10,024 Speaker 2: Oh, that makes me sound like I'm really old. I'm Mary. 25 00:01:10,344 --> 00:01:11,464 Speaker 1: No, we're both very young. 26 00:01:11,544 --> 00:01:12,784 Speaker 2: We're so youthful. 27 00:01:13,224 --> 00:01:15,144 Speaker 1: And you've come on a big day because this is 28 00:01:15,144 --> 00:01:18,264 Speaker 1: the information we've been waiting weeks for. So last week 29 00:01:18,304 --> 00:01:21,184 Speaker 1: on The Spiller, listeners would know that our episode that 30 00:01:21,224 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 1: we covered on Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, we were 31 00:01:23,944 --> 00:01:26,664 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that Justin Baldoni's lawyer said that 32 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:28,984 Speaker 1: he and his team were about to sue Blake Lively 33 00:01:29,064 --> 00:01:32,264 Speaker 1: into oblivion were the words he used over the weekend, 34 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:35,504 Speaker 1: very rudely for our recording schedule. That lawsuit dropped. So 35 00:01:35,584 --> 00:01:37,024 Speaker 1: we're going to go through the ins and outs of that, 36 00:01:37,064 --> 00:01:40,304 Speaker 1: the text messages, the fallout. It's just gotten so much messier. 37 00:01:40,504 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, four hundred million dollar lawsuit and have you read 38 00:01:45,824 --> 00:01:46,864 Speaker 2: the what's it called? 39 00:01:47,184 --> 00:01:49,144 Speaker 1: Oh, just I was just calling the lawsuit documents. This 40 00:01:49,184 --> 00:01:51,384 Speaker 1: is the way. We're not a legal podcast. My whole 41 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,824 Speaker 1: document that was leaked, the document that. 42 00:01:53,864 --> 00:01:55,544 Speaker 3: Was like the team that we put forward, it is 43 00:01:55,984 --> 00:01:58,984 Speaker 3: pages and pages and pages. There is some really damning 44 00:01:59,664 --> 00:02:00,304 Speaker 3: stuff in there. 45 00:02:00,384 --> 00:02:03,624 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So it's Justin Baldoni. He's sued Blake Lively 46 00:02:03,704 --> 00:02:06,224 Speaker 1: and Ryan Reynolds because of everything that he was involved 47 00:02:06,224 --> 00:02:09,664 Speaker 1: in with the film and production, but also the publicist, publishers, 48 00:02:09,744 --> 00:02:11,424 Speaker 1: Jennifer Abel who was the one who was on the 49 00:02:11,424 --> 00:02:15,584 Speaker 1: original text messages. They're suing management expert Melissa Nathan. There's 50 00:02:15,584 --> 00:02:18,024 Speaker 1: a lot of other plaintives all named in the lawsuit, 51 00:02:18,384 --> 00:02:21,424 Speaker 1: even Blake Lively's publicist and her entire PR firms. So 52 00:02:21,544 --> 00:02:22,864 Speaker 1: a lot of people involved. But I think a lot 53 00:02:22,904 --> 00:02:24,544 Speaker 1: of people have really sent it in on the Blake 54 00:02:24,624 --> 00:02:27,304 Speaker 1: and Justin's side of it, because that's where the public 55 00:02:27,384 --> 00:02:28,744 Speaker 1: interest is, I think, as. 56 00:02:28,664 --> 00:02:33,064 Speaker 3: Well, like bringing Ryan Reynolds into it officially as well. 57 00:02:33,104 --> 00:02:35,544 Speaker 3: I mean, we always knew that he was involved. There 58 00:02:35,544 --> 00:02:38,664 Speaker 3: has been a lot of discourse around him being involved, 59 00:02:38,704 --> 00:02:41,424 Speaker 3: not only on the set of It Ends with Us, 60 00:02:41,784 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 3: but also behind the scenes uncredited rewrites, So he's kind 61 00:02:46,184 --> 00:02:47,984 Speaker 3: of been in the background. But the fact that he's 62 00:02:48,024 --> 00:02:51,144 Speaker 3: now been brought into this lawsuit officially by Justin Baldoni's 63 00:02:51,184 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 3: lawyers is I think a pretty big deal. 64 00:02:55,024 --> 00:02:57,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, just because the amount of money, but also 65 00:02:57,464 --> 00:03:01,544 Speaker 1: there's accusations around like bullying, and even when Justin Baldoni's 66 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:04,424 Speaker 1: legal team sent that letter to Disney and Marvel last 67 00:03:04,464 --> 00:03:06,304 Speaker 1: week when they were trying to gather this information. They 68 00:03:06,304 --> 00:03:09,464 Speaker 1: were asking for any claims against Ryan Reynolds for sexual harassment, 69 00:03:09,464 --> 00:03:11,704 Speaker 1: which is something that hadn't up before. So we're going 70 00:03:11,744 --> 00:03:13,864 Speaker 1: to get into all the text messages and everything next 71 00:03:13,904 --> 00:03:17,584 Speaker 1: and then get into where we go from here, Dana. So, 72 00:03:17,704 --> 00:03:19,904 Speaker 1: in the lawsuit that was filed in federal court in 73 00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:23,144 Speaker 1: New York by Baldoni, it's actually his production company that's 74 00:03:23,144 --> 00:03:25,664 Speaker 1: suing all the different people who are named for four 75 00:03:25,744 --> 00:03:28,024 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, which is six hundred and forty three 76 00:03:28,064 --> 00:03:31,824 Speaker 1: million dollars here in Australia for damages including loss of income. 77 00:03:32,264 --> 00:03:35,344 Speaker 1: So in the lawsuit, he's saying that Lively and Reynolds 78 00:03:35,384 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 1: both hijacked the production and all the marketing of it 79 00:03:38,024 --> 00:03:40,224 Speaker 1: ends with us, and that they were the ones who 80 00:03:40,264 --> 00:03:43,744 Speaker 1: manipulated the media against Justin Baldoni, which, if you remember 81 00:03:43,784 --> 00:03:47,944 Speaker 1: the initial complaint and then lawsuit that Blake Lively filed 82 00:03:47,984 --> 00:03:50,744 Speaker 1: against Justin and his production company, that's what she was 83 00:03:50,784 --> 00:03:53,024 Speaker 1: alleging that he had done. So there's a quote for 84 00:03:53,104 --> 00:03:54,984 Speaker 1: the lawsuit where he says, this is a case of 85 00:03:55,024 --> 00:03:57,584 Speaker 1: the two most powerful stars in the world using their 86 00:03:57,744 --> 00:04:00,384 Speaker 1: enormous power to steal an entire film right out from 87 00:04:00,464 --> 00:04:03,864 Speaker 1: under the hands of its director and production studio. And 88 00:04:03,864 --> 00:04:06,024 Speaker 1: then he's gone on to claim that he didn't turn 89 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:08,544 Speaker 1: the public against Blake Lively. She did that herself with 90 00:04:08,584 --> 00:04:09,944 Speaker 1: the way she was acting with the film and the 91 00:04:10,024 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 1: launching her haircare brand. He's even gone through, like if 92 00:04:13,104 --> 00:04:14,944 Speaker 1: you go through the lawsuit. He's even called out some 93 00:04:15,024 --> 00:04:18,464 Speaker 1: of the cocktails she tried to name at the premiere party, 94 00:04:18,584 --> 00:04:20,544 Speaker 1: like the Rile You wait, and he's like, that's named 95 00:04:20,544 --> 00:04:22,984 Speaker 1: after a domestic abuser. So she did this to herself, 96 00:04:23,024 --> 00:04:24,864 Speaker 1: Like it's quite granular when you get through it all. 97 00:04:25,104 --> 00:04:28,104 Speaker 3: I think what is really interesting here is people have 98 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:30,784 Speaker 3: kind of been flip flopping on how they feel about 99 00:04:31,024 --> 00:04:32,464 Speaker 3: Baldoni or Lively. 100 00:04:32,984 --> 00:04:35,584 Speaker 2: So when the movie came out, it was Blake Lively. 101 00:04:35,704 --> 00:04:36,824 Speaker 2: You are not. 102 00:04:37,224 --> 00:04:41,224 Speaker 3: Everybody really piled on to Blake Lively. What I think 103 00:04:41,264 --> 00:04:42,744 Speaker 3: here is something that's really interesting. 104 00:04:42,784 --> 00:04:43,704 Speaker 2: A term that I came. 105 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:47,704 Speaker 3: Across while I was doing my research for this is astroturfing. Now, 106 00:04:47,904 --> 00:04:51,384 Speaker 3: this term is the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated 107 00:04:51,424 --> 00:04:54,824 Speaker 3: marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited 108 00:04:54,824 --> 00:04:58,544 Speaker 3: comments from members of the public. So if you think 109 00:04:58,544 --> 00:05:02,664 Speaker 3: about like Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, the public perception 110 00:05:03,264 --> 00:05:05,784 Speaker 3: and these sorts of things can really run away from us. 111 00:05:05,864 --> 00:05:06,064 Speaker 1: Right. 112 00:05:06,424 --> 00:05:09,624 Speaker 3: So we saw on TikTok Blake was getting all of 113 00:05:09,664 --> 00:05:13,544 Speaker 3: this flat and it was a pylon. And I think Justin, 114 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:18,664 Speaker 3: by the sounds of Blake's lawsuit, he was encouraging that 115 00:05:18,704 --> 00:05:21,544 Speaker 3: there was definitely some pr behind that. Whether there were 116 00:05:21,584 --> 00:05:24,904 Speaker 3: bots or something involved, I don't think we know just yet. 117 00:05:25,384 --> 00:05:29,864 Speaker 3: But now Blake does her side of the lawsuit, and 118 00:05:29,904 --> 00:05:34,304 Speaker 3: there's the sexual assault allegations, you know that inappropriate behavior 119 00:05:34,344 --> 00:05:37,144 Speaker 3: on set. It's like there's been three sides to this 120 00:05:37,264 --> 00:05:41,864 Speaker 3: and it's so complex, so if you're not keeping up, 121 00:05:43,584 --> 00:05:44,104 Speaker 3: it's hard. 122 00:05:44,304 --> 00:05:46,384 Speaker 2: There is a lot to get through here. 123 00:05:46,424 --> 00:05:49,224 Speaker 3: But I do think that that concept of astroturfing is 124 00:05:49,304 --> 00:05:50,104 Speaker 3: super interesting. 125 00:05:50,504 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was really the basis of that whole 126 00:05:52,744 --> 00:05:56,384 Speaker 1: New York Times investigation which came out, which dropped the 127 00:05:56,384 --> 00:05:58,824 Speaker 1: same time as the lawsuit, which was obviously like quite 128 00:05:58,824 --> 00:06:01,224 Speaker 1: a calculated thing, not in a bad way, necessarily behind 129 00:06:01,264 --> 00:06:03,784 Speaker 1: the scenes, because I'm sure Blake Lively knew the moment 130 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:06,784 Speaker 1: she filed those papers with the lawsuit against Justin that 131 00:06:06,944 --> 00:06:08,984 Speaker 1: TMZ and all those other outlets would pick them up. 132 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:11,784 Speaker 1: So at least with the New York Times investigation coming out, 133 00:06:12,104 --> 00:06:14,264 Speaker 1: there was a lot more context around it. Of course, 134 00:06:14,384 --> 00:06:16,104 Speaker 1: Justin his team are now suing the New York Times. 135 00:06:16,224 --> 00:06:18,264 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different lawsuits going on. Who were 136 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:20,664 Speaker 1: standing by their story, and you're right, it's almost like 137 00:06:20,704 --> 00:06:23,824 Speaker 1: there's two sides to it. There's this power struggle between 138 00:06:23,824 --> 00:06:25,744 Speaker 1: these two creatives of who took over the film and 139 00:06:25,744 --> 00:06:27,864 Speaker 1: who got the last say. But then there's this other 140 00:06:27,944 --> 00:06:31,144 Speaker 1: side of it, which is the sexual harassment lawsuit which 141 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,024 Speaker 1: Blake Lively has put through and a lot of the 142 00:06:33,064 --> 00:06:36,104 Speaker 1: stuff that's in the legal suit from Justin Baldoni in 143 00:06:36,144 --> 00:06:38,664 Speaker 1: his team is trying to prove that at the time 144 00:06:39,224 --> 00:06:42,624 Speaker 1: Blake Lively was very comfortable with him, and what they've 145 00:06:42,664 --> 00:06:45,664 Speaker 1: done to prove that is release all of these text messages. 146 00:06:45,704 --> 00:06:48,984 Speaker 1: So some text messages were released in the original New 147 00:06:49,064 --> 00:06:52,104 Speaker 1: York Times article and in the complaint, but then Justin's 148 00:06:52,104 --> 00:06:54,104 Speaker 1: team came out and said they were quite docted. They 149 00:06:54,144 --> 00:06:56,944 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell the full story. So him and his team 150 00:06:57,064 --> 00:06:59,984 Speaker 1: have released a whole bunch of other texts that we're 151 00:07:00,024 --> 00:07:02,424 Speaker 1: going to go through now, because some of them are 152 00:07:02,464 --> 00:07:05,064 Speaker 1: just paint a really dramatic picture of these wild Hollywood 153 00:07:05,064 --> 00:07:07,024 Speaker 1: people on set and these big egos, and then some 154 00:07:07,064 --> 00:07:08,624 Speaker 1: of them are kind of quite disturbing. 155 00:07:08,984 --> 00:07:12,584 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's jump into some of those quotes. Which one 156 00:07:12,624 --> 00:07:14,064 Speaker 3: do you want to dump into your first because there's 157 00:07:14,104 --> 00:07:14,864 Speaker 3: quite a few of them. 158 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:17,184 Speaker 1: The big one was to do with the rooftop scene, 159 00:07:17,184 --> 00:07:18,824 Speaker 1: because I think that was really the catalyst for a 160 00:07:18,864 --> 00:07:21,304 Speaker 1: lot of the back and forth. So there's text messages 161 00:07:21,344 --> 00:07:24,904 Speaker 1: here that show and allegations from Justin Baldoni's team, because 162 00:07:24,904 --> 00:07:26,224 Speaker 1: that's such a big moment in the book in the 163 00:07:26,224 --> 00:07:29,304 Speaker 1: movie that Justin and his scriptwriters wrote the original scene 164 00:07:29,544 --> 00:07:31,824 Speaker 1: and then Blake said, can I take a stab at it? 165 00:07:32,104 --> 00:07:35,304 Speaker 1: So she went and wrote it, and then she gave 166 00:07:35,504 --> 00:07:39,664 Speaker 1: the pages to Justin to read, and he's saying that 167 00:07:39,744 --> 00:07:42,264 Speaker 1: he gave her like positive feedback, and then from that 168 00:07:42,384 --> 00:07:44,984 Speaker 1: first text message that we've got there, it looks like 169 00:07:45,264 --> 00:07:47,544 Speaker 1: she took his feedback quite the wrong way. 170 00:07:48,744 --> 00:07:50,064 Speaker 3: So I'm going to read the first one for you. 171 00:07:50,144 --> 00:07:53,824 Speaker 3: So Justin says, also was working on rooftop scene today. 172 00:07:53,904 --> 00:07:56,864 Speaker 3: I really love what you did. It really help a lot, 173 00:07:57,184 --> 00:07:59,264 Speaker 3: makes it so much more fun and interesting, and I 174 00:07:59,264 --> 00:08:02,544 Speaker 3: would have felt that way without Ryan and Taylor. I'm 175 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:05,744 Speaker 3: assuming that's referring to Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift. 176 00:08:06,184 --> 00:08:06,424 Speaker 1: Yes. 177 00:08:06,744 --> 00:08:10,904 Speaker 3: Now drawing a comparison to Danari's Todd Geryan from of Thrones, 178 00:08:10,984 --> 00:08:14,104 Speaker 3: Lively allegedly said, if you ever get around to watching 179 00:08:14,144 --> 00:08:18,144 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones, you'll appreciate that. I'm Kalisi and like her, 180 00:08:18,224 --> 00:08:21,264 Speaker 3: I happen to have a few dragons, for better or worse, 181 00:08:21,344 --> 00:08:24,624 Speaker 3: but usually for better because my dragons also protect those 182 00:08:24,744 --> 00:08:25,464 Speaker 3: I fight for. 183 00:08:26,264 --> 00:08:28,744 Speaker 1: Okay, this is almost my I mean not that I've 184 00:08:28,744 --> 00:08:30,624 Speaker 1: ever sent a text like that, but sometimes we just 185 00:08:30,664 --> 00:08:33,104 Speaker 1: all say a few, like really silly things in the 186 00:08:33,144 --> 00:08:35,904 Speaker 1: context of the relationships you have with people. They're fine, 187 00:08:36,024 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 1: but like, this is my worst nightmare of like one 188 00:08:37,744 --> 00:08:40,224 Speaker 1: of my wild text messages just going out to the public. 189 00:08:40,264 --> 00:08:43,104 Speaker 1: Because in isolation, this is kind of an embarrassing quote. 190 00:08:43,224 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 2: I think this is so key. 191 00:08:44,904 --> 00:08:48,584 Speaker 3: All of these quotes out of context in isolation can 192 00:08:48,704 --> 00:08:49,624 Speaker 3: look really bad. 193 00:08:49,664 --> 00:08:51,784 Speaker 2: But do we know is their humor behind this? 194 00:08:52,104 --> 00:08:52,384 Speaker 1: Yeah? 195 00:08:52,544 --> 00:08:54,744 Speaker 3: Is this kind of like you know, I've got my dragons? 196 00:08:55,184 --> 00:08:59,424 Speaker 3: Is this being said cheekily? Unfortunately, you can't gauge tone 197 00:08:59,464 --> 00:09:03,864 Speaker 3: from text. Yeah, so that is something that's really it 198 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:06,424 Speaker 3: could be flipped either way, and maybe Baldoni's team and 199 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:10,584 Speaker 3: now trying to pile onto this Blake is this all 200 00:09:10,624 --> 00:09:13,624 Speaker 3: powerful woman who's going to use all of her contacts 201 00:09:13,624 --> 00:09:16,424 Speaker 3: to bring him down. Like I think that's probably what 202 00:09:16,544 --> 00:09:17,704 Speaker 3: the messaging. 203 00:09:17,304 --> 00:09:19,504 Speaker 1: Is, Yeah, from absolutely. And also this was all a 204 00:09:19,544 --> 00:09:21,544 Speaker 1: few years ago by the time they filmed it, edited 205 00:09:21,584 --> 00:09:23,504 Speaker 1: the movie released it, so this might have been like 206 00:09:23,544 --> 00:09:25,624 Speaker 1: more of the height of Game of Thrones before that 207 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:29,744 Speaker 1: character turned a bit problematic and killed multiple innocent people. 208 00:09:29,784 --> 00:09:31,744 Speaker 1: Because if you see how people are sharing this quote 209 00:09:31,744 --> 00:09:35,704 Speaker 1: on TikTok, now, it's always across that moment where Denaris 210 00:09:35,744 --> 00:09:38,264 Speaker 1: Tugerian kills a whole bunch of people, but they've put 211 00:09:38,264 --> 00:09:41,544 Speaker 1: Blake Lively's face over her, which, yeah, which is exactly 212 00:09:41,584 --> 00:09:43,744 Speaker 1: how the internet works. What they're actually talking about there 213 00:09:43,824 --> 00:09:46,184 Speaker 1: is that moment from the lawsuit where they say they 214 00:09:46,184 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 1: invited Justin over to go through the pages, and he 215 00:09:48,664 --> 00:09:50,184 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be just him and Blake 216 00:09:50,464 --> 00:09:52,464 Speaker 1: and Ryan Reynolds was there, which because he lives there, 217 00:09:52,504 --> 00:09:55,104 Speaker 1: that's fine in their New York penthouse, but then Ryan 218 00:09:55,144 --> 00:09:57,144 Speaker 1: came out and was saying like, I love these pages, 219 00:09:57,184 --> 00:09:59,784 Speaker 1: They're amazing. Use these And then Taylor Swift came out 220 00:09:59,784 --> 00:10:02,064 Speaker 1: like a surprise guest who was also in the apartment, 221 00:10:02,424 --> 00:10:04,584 Speaker 1: and Justin said he was very thrown because he didn't 222 00:10:04,584 --> 00:10:06,384 Speaker 1: know Taylor Swift was going to be there, and they 223 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:09,104 Speaker 1: kept sort of saying to him like, use these pages, 224 00:10:09,184 --> 00:10:12,064 Speaker 1: and he said he felt very bullied and pressure. Yeah. 225 00:10:12,144 --> 00:10:15,984 Speaker 3: I mean again, it's it's that power and influence in Hollywood, 226 00:10:16,024 --> 00:10:19,984 Speaker 3: which I think we're really seeing a lot more of now. 227 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:23,944 Speaker 3: It's almost like the veil has been pulled away. Yeah, 228 00:10:23,984 --> 00:10:26,184 Speaker 3: in so many and again I keep going back to 229 00:10:26,344 --> 00:10:28,944 Speaker 3: herd and depth because I do see a lot of 230 00:10:28,984 --> 00:10:34,064 Speaker 3: parallels here. It is these fights. I can almost guarantee 231 00:10:34,424 --> 00:10:36,864 Speaker 3: that these sorts of fights have been happening in Hollywood 232 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:38,304 Speaker 3: for decades. 233 00:10:38,424 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, this has all been happening. 234 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:43,264 Speaker 3: But the big difference now is people are airing the 235 00:10:43,264 --> 00:10:45,744 Speaker 3: dirty laundry. They are bringing it out, and the best 236 00:10:45,744 --> 00:10:48,824 Speaker 3: way for them to do that is to do this lawsuit. 237 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:51,784 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And at this stage there's so much information 238 00:10:51,824 --> 00:10:53,704 Speaker 1: out there, they kind of almost have to keep pushing 239 00:10:53,744 --> 00:10:55,704 Speaker 1: on because they can't settle, they can't leave it where 240 00:10:55,744 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 1: it is now like someone's going to have to come 241 00:10:57,344 --> 00:10:59,184 Speaker 1: out on top. So I think we're going to see 242 00:10:59,184 --> 00:11:01,104 Speaker 1: even more things come out. But I mean, there's so 243 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:02,384 Speaker 1: many more texts to get. 244 00:11:02,984 --> 00:11:06,104 Speaker 2: Sorry, we're getting ahead of going so much in it. 245 00:11:06,424 --> 00:11:09,104 Speaker 1: The reason they release these particular ones is they're trying 246 00:11:09,104 --> 00:11:12,344 Speaker 1: to show how comfortable Blake Lively was with him, trying 247 00:11:12,344 --> 00:11:16,224 Speaker 1: to sort of disprove her claims her harassment. So Justin 248 00:11:16,264 --> 00:11:19,344 Speaker 1: Baldoni says in this next released text message, I'm not 249 00:11:19,384 --> 00:11:21,344 Speaker 1: going to tell you you are amazing because you tease 250 00:11:21,384 --> 00:11:24,224 Speaker 1: me for being so sentimental, but you're amazing today. And 251 00:11:24,264 --> 00:11:26,424 Speaker 1: then Blake Lively came back and said, thank you. I 252 00:11:26,464 --> 00:11:29,064 Speaker 1: do appreciate it. I'm just a ballbuster, but it means 253 00:11:29,064 --> 00:11:31,064 Speaker 1: a lot to me. I care a great deal and 254 00:11:31,104 --> 00:11:33,544 Speaker 1: I always want to deliver. You are terrific. I'm really 255 00:11:33,544 --> 00:11:36,024 Speaker 1: proud of everything we did today, but really every day. 256 00:11:36,664 --> 00:11:38,384 Speaker 1: And then he went on to like her comments. So 257 00:11:38,504 --> 00:11:41,024 Speaker 1: they're trying to show that they had this very trusting relationship. 258 00:11:41,144 --> 00:11:44,384 Speaker 3: So that may very well be true. But just because 259 00:11:44,464 --> 00:11:48,184 Speaker 3: you have a trusting relationship with someone does not then 260 00:11:48,304 --> 00:11:51,104 Speaker 3: mean that they can betray that trust and step over 261 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:51,904 Speaker 3: a line. 262 00:11:51,664 --> 00:11:53,504 Speaker 1: Like, it's a nice text message, but it's a formal 263 00:11:53,544 --> 00:11:55,544 Speaker 1: text message, and you know when you're working with someone 264 00:11:56,024 --> 00:11:58,504 Speaker 1: and you're trying to sort of keep that very formal 265 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:00,704 Speaker 1: relationship with them, even of something, even if you've had 266 00:12:00,744 --> 00:12:02,704 Speaker 1: a difficult day at work, like obviously most people don't 267 00:12:02,704 --> 00:12:05,704 Speaker 1: have difficult days that escalate like this, but you do 268 00:12:05,784 --> 00:12:08,064 Speaker 1: send that nice message and you try and keep everything going. 269 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:11,704 Speaker 1: It's interesting because we don't know what's step of the situation. 270 00:12:11,784 --> 00:12:13,824 Speaker 1: A lot of these text messages were coming through, Like 271 00:12:14,184 --> 00:12:16,184 Speaker 1: were they sort of towards the beginning when they just 272 00:12:16,184 --> 00:12:18,944 Speaker 1: started working together and it seemed like everything was gonna 273 00:12:19,064 --> 00:12:20,984 Speaker 1: You're still in those early days of like being very 274 00:12:21,024 --> 00:12:23,864 Speaker 1: polite and complimentary to each other. Was it after they 275 00:12:23,904 --> 00:12:26,024 Speaker 1: had that big emergency meeting where Blake said she was 276 00:12:26,064 --> 00:12:27,704 Speaker 1: going to leave the project and then she put out 277 00:12:27,744 --> 00:12:30,184 Speaker 1: that list of demands saying that he had to stop 278 00:12:30,264 --> 00:12:33,744 Speaker 1: showing her pawn or making unnecessary comments and stuff like, 279 00:12:33,784 --> 00:12:35,664 Speaker 1: Did this text message come after that? I think that 280 00:12:35,704 --> 00:12:38,344 Speaker 1: would be the kind of tell of what she was feeling. 281 00:12:38,504 --> 00:12:41,184 Speaker 3: I think what this is is, I mean, this is 282 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:45,264 Speaker 3: really to me what it feels like. Is Baldoni going 283 00:12:45,424 --> 00:12:48,184 Speaker 3: I'm not taking this line down. I'm going to show 284 00:12:48,344 --> 00:12:53,144 Speaker 3: my text messages and again it's like out of context. 285 00:12:53,304 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 2: It is really. 286 00:12:54,984 --> 00:12:59,704 Speaker 3: Difficult to place that in a timeline. Like you said, Look, 287 00:12:59,704 --> 00:13:01,504 Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot here. We've got some 288 00:13:01,624 --> 00:13:04,464 Speaker 3: more as well. So this is an email from Blake 289 00:13:04,624 --> 00:13:07,624 Speaker 3: to Justin Now. It says, Hey, would you mind giving 290 00:13:07,624 --> 00:13:09,424 Speaker 3: me access to dailies if you don't know what a 291 00:13:09,464 --> 00:13:13,464 Speaker 3: daily is? A daily like the shots from the day's shoot, 292 00:13:13,744 --> 00:13:15,544 Speaker 3: and I'm curious which takes you. 293 00:13:15,824 --> 00:13:16,264 Speaker 2: Liked of the. 294 00:13:16,224 --> 00:13:19,904 Speaker 3: Scenes you showed Blank. My manager Blank flew out to 295 00:13:19,984 --> 00:13:21,744 Speaker 3: visit set and leaves tomorrow. 296 00:13:21,944 --> 00:13:22,384 Speaker 2: Am. 297 00:13:22,704 --> 00:13:24,704 Speaker 3: He heard all about it from Warren and I'd love 298 00:13:24,784 --> 00:13:27,904 Speaker 3: to show him. I appreciate you. Maybe too slammed right 299 00:13:27,904 --> 00:13:31,264 Speaker 3: now to make this happen, but maybe someone else can facilitate. 300 00:13:31,584 --> 00:13:32,344 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 301 00:13:33,064 --> 00:13:35,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is interesting and just In like reading that 302 00:13:35,584 --> 00:13:36,824 Speaker 1: like that if you're not sort of in the know 303 00:13:36,944 --> 00:13:39,664 Speaker 1: of how these kind of situations work, it does seem 304 00:13:39,664 --> 00:13:42,224 Speaker 1: really innocent, like their lead actress saying, can I have 305 00:13:42,264 --> 00:13:45,024 Speaker 1: a look at this footage? But the dailies is everything 306 00:13:45,064 --> 00:13:48,984 Speaker 1: that's shot that daily, unedited footage and normally directors and 307 00:13:49,024 --> 00:13:51,424 Speaker 1: produces like very protective of it, so no one gets 308 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:54,384 Speaker 1: access to them, and it also sounds like she's asked 309 00:13:54,384 --> 00:13:56,824 Speaker 1: a few different times, and there's other text messages that 310 00:13:56,864 --> 00:13:59,144 Speaker 1: also go on to prove that. And then there's a 311 00:13:59,184 --> 00:14:02,384 Speaker 1: separate thread that Justin's put in his lawsuit where he 312 00:14:02,464 --> 00:14:05,104 Speaker 1: and the other producers were having like crisis meetings about 313 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:07,984 Speaker 1: how to respond to Blake Lively about this, and their 314 00:14:08,024 --> 00:14:10,184 Speaker 1: messages are very much like, what do we do no 315 00:14:10,384 --> 00:14:12,904 Speaker 1: one else has access to the dailies, don't give them 316 00:14:12,904 --> 00:14:14,824 Speaker 1: to her. But also if we don't give them to her, 317 00:14:14,904 --> 00:14:17,264 Speaker 1: she'll throw a tantrum like this is their wording, and 318 00:14:17,664 --> 00:14:20,104 Speaker 1: not knowing how to respond. So I think these have 319 00:14:20,144 --> 00:14:23,664 Speaker 1: all been included to paint her as this manipulative person 320 00:14:23,664 --> 00:14:26,144 Speaker 1: who was trying to take over, And that's why they've 321 00:14:26,144 --> 00:14:29,664 Speaker 1: included his back and forth with the producers, to show 322 00:14:29,704 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 1: that they had to keep having crisis meetings about this actress. 323 00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:35,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's interesting because if you do 324 00:14:35,464 --> 00:14:38,504 Speaker 3: have a producer credit on a movie or you are 325 00:14:38,584 --> 00:14:42,304 Speaker 3: in the production side of things, having access to dailies 326 00:14:42,304 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 3: would be a normal part of the process. I think 327 00:14:47,304 --> 00:14:49,744 Speaker 3: it obviously depends on how far up the chain you are, 328 00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:54,304 Speaker 3: But someone like Blake, I don't think that's that unusual 329 00:14:54,384 --> 00:14:56,304 Speaker 3: for her to want access. 330 00:14:55,944 --> 00:14:59,304 Speaker 1: To Yes, especially she's kind of more involved in the production. 331 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:01,304 Speaker 1: Like you said, I think it's because they've already had 332 00:15:01,304 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 1: this back and forth that it's kind of it's more 333 00:15:04,264 --> 00:15:05,944 Speaker 1: of a hot button issue for them because at this 334 00:15:06,024 --> 00:15:08,784 Speaker 1: stage of their filming process, I'd say they're fighting a 335 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:12,864 Speaker 1: little bit more for and that's why in the separate 336 00:15:12,904 --> 00:15:15,424 Speaker 1: text messages that he was having with the producers, one 337 00:15:15,464 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 1: of them says, I don't want to give them to her, 338 00:15:17,344 --> 00:15:19,744 Speaker 1: but also check her contract, like check if she's actually 339 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:22,664 Speaker 1: been allowed access to these, so again trying to kind 340 00:15:22,664 --> 00:15:25,144 Speaker 1: of paint her as this very pushy person, but it's 341 00:15:25,184 --> 00:15:28,064 Speaker 1: also very carefully worded. It's almost like they almost knew that. 342 00:15:28,464 --> 00:15:30,784 Speaker 1: I guess they've got their assistancy seed on this other 343 00:15:30,824 --> 00:15:33,544 Speaker 1: production people are on it, people who are doing the schedule, 344 00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:35,104 Speaker 1: So I guess you also to have to be careful 345 00:15:35,144 --> 00:15:38,504 Speaker 1: because these aren't private text messages. They were also like 346 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:40,344 Speaker 1: the rest of the cast and crew had like a 347 00:15:40,344 --> 00:15:42,784 Speaker 1: little bit of access to them. So there's one more 348 00:15:42,904 --> 00:15:45,744 Speaker 1: text message that's been made public in this new lawsuit 349 00:15:45,744 --> 00:15:48,704 Speaker 1: that we wanted to speak about because it really ties 350 00:15:48,784 --> 00:15:52,744 Speaker 1: into some of the initial complaints that Blake Lively made 351 00:15:52,784 --> 00:15:55,904 Speaker 1: in her lawsuit. And so there's a message from Blake 352 00:15:55,944 --> 00:15:59,144 Speaker 1: Lively that says to Justin Baldoni, I'm just pumping in 353 00:15:59,144 --> 00:16:01,264 Speaker 1: our trailer if you want to come work on our lines, 354 00:16:01,784 --> 00:16:03,984 Speaker 1: and he replied, I'm eating with the crew and we'll 355 00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:06,784 Speaker 1: head that way now, and Blake Lively said take your time. 356 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:11,544 Speaker 3: So I think the crux of this particular message is 357 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:14,824 Speaker 3: to say that, oh, she let me in her trailer 358 00:16:14,864 --> 00:16:16,784 Speaker 3: when I was pumping. So there's no basis to this 359 00:16:16,864 --> 00:16:20,624 Speaker 3: claim of there being sexual harassment, which is kind of 360 00:16:20,664 --> 00:16:22,664 Speaker 3: one or the other, but it is an interesting thing 361 00:16:22,704 --> 00:16:25,584 Speaker 3: that But again, if you say that you can see 362 00:16:25,584 --> 00:16:27,864 Speaker 3: someone pump once doesn't mean you can always see them. 363 00:16:28,064 --> 00:16:30,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly like we were saying before, I think there's 364 00:16:30,304 --> 00:16:32,024 Speaker 1: two different threads to this. Is a lot of it 365 00:16:32,064 --> 00:16:34,904 Speaker 1: is a power play between two people in Hollywood, and 366 00:16:34,944 --> 00:16:36,664 Speaker 1: that I think it feels a bit more comfortable to 367 00:16:36,664 --> 00:16:38,864 Speaker 1: comment on and also say, like maybe they were both 368 00:16:38,904 --> 00:16:42,184 Speaker 1: being very difficult, But the line of sexual harassment feels 369 00:16:42,184 --> 00:16:45,144 Speaker 1: a lot messier and feels a lot more almost leaning 370 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:47,504 Speaker 1: to Blake Lively's side, just from the evidence that we've 371 00:16:47,544 --> 00:16:49,384 Speaker 1: seen so far, Like we obviously won't know until it 372 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:52,824 Speaker 1: goes to court, but her initial complaint against him was 373 00:16:52,864 --> 00:16:54,664 Speaker 1: that he would walk in on her when she was 374 00:16:54,704 --> 00:16:58,064 Speaker 1: breastfeeding because she'd only had her fourth baby, Odin I 375 00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:00,344 Speaker 1: believe his name is a little bit before filming, so 376 00:17:00,384 --> 00:17:02,864 Speaker 1: he was being brought to set to breastfeed. And she 377 00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:05,464 Speaker 1: also said that one of the producers who he is 378 00:17:05,504 --> 00:17:07,424 Speaker 1: friends with, would come into her trailer while she was 379 00:17:07,544 --> 00:17:09,584 Speaker 1: changing and she'd ask him to leave and he wouldn't. 380 00:17:10,064 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 1: And so they're trying to prove that she would invite 381 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:14,984 Speaker 1: him in. But there's only one text message to say, 382 00:17:15,064 --> 00:17:16,704 Speaker 1: I'm pumping. And also, I don't know. I don't have kids, 383 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:19,064 Speaker 1: I've never breastfit anyone. But I also think like it 384 00:17:19,104 --> 00:17:20,704 Speaker 1: should be up to the mother to say, like I 385 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: don't want you here when I'm breastfeeding, but you can 386 00:17:22,504 --> 00:17:23,944 Speaker 1: come and when I'm pumping, like you know what I mean, 387 00:17:23,984 --> 00:17:25,424 Speaker 1: Like it's her boundary to set. 388 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:28,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but just from a personal point of view, 389 00:17:28,184 --> 00:17:30,824 Speaker 3: I would rather have someone watch me breastfeeding than pumping. 390 00:17:30,864 --> 00:17:33,704 Speaker 3: Pumping is like a whole thing. Anyway, we should go back. 391 00:17:33,784 --> 00:17:35,584 Speaker 3: We should go to a break right now. We're going 392 00:17:35,624 --> 00:17:38,504 Speaker 3: to come back and then run through what we think 393 00:17:38,584 --> 00:17:40,984 Speaker 3: is going to happen next. 394 00:17:41,544 --> 00:17:44,344 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm team Blake or team Justin. 395 00:17:44,824 --> 00:17:47,504 Speaker 3: There's a lot going on here, but I think that 396 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:50,504 Speaker 3: what we really need to think about is that Blake 397 00:17:50,584 --> 00:17:53,104 Speaker 3: has had this going on for a long time, the 398 00:17:53,424 --> 00:17:58,384 Speaker 3: rumors of her attitude and her mean girl persona. This 399 00:17:58,424 --> 00:18:02,064 Speaker 3: hasn't just popped up. This has been going since. There 400 00:18:02,064 --> 00:18:05,864 Speaker 3: have been hairdressers who've come out and done podcasts about 401 00:18:05,944 --> 00:18:08,344 Speaker 3: how difficult she was to work with. There have been 402 00:18:08,384 --> 00:18:12,024 Speaker 3: the interviews that now famous interview with Blake. So this 403 00:18:12,104 --> 00:18:14,784 Speaker 3: isn't a new thing. So I think that's part of 404 00:18:14,944 --> 00:18:17,744 Speaker 3: Justin's claim as well. It's like she did this to herself. 405 00:18:18,504 --> 00:18:20,864 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And that's the thing I think, like, maybe 406 00:18:20,944 --> 00:18:23,224 Speaker 1: just from a viewer perspective, the take we should be 407 00:18:23,264 --> 00:18:25,704 Speaker 1: going with is like to reserve the right to change 408 00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:27,824 Speaker 1: your mind, because I think some people are like, well, 409 00:18:27,864 --> 00:18:29,584 Speaker 1: I went really hard for Blake or I went really 410 00:18:29,624 --> 00:18:31,464 Speaker 1: hard for Justin. Now I can't change my mind and 411 00:18:31,504 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: I have to sort of stick to that, but also 412 00:18:33,744 --> 00:18:35,184 Speaker 1: just kind of be aware that like a lot more 413 00:18:35,184 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 1: information is going to come out that might change the story. 414 00:18:38,624 --> 00:18:42,064 Speaker 1: And I just think also it's hard because coming into this, 415 00:18:42,224 --> 00:18:45,624 Speaker 1: it's very much being position that Blake Lively had more power, 416 00:18:45,704 --> 00:18:47,264 Speaker 1: which I guess she did, like she's part of a 417 00:18:47,304 --> 00:18:50,504 Speaker 1: really powerful Hollywood couple. They have a lot of really 418 00:18:50,584 --> 00:18:53,184 Speaker 1: famous friends. But at the same time that just made 419 00:18:53,224 --> 00:18:55,544 Speaker 1: her a bigger target. So when this movie came out 420 00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:58,184 Speaker 1: and people sort of like they started to be inklings 421 00:18:58,184 --> 00:19:00,624 Speaker 1: there was something wrong. I think they automatically people were 422 00:19:00,704 --> 00:19:02,544 Speaker 1: very easily locked into the idea that she was a 423 00:19:02,544 --> 00:19:05,264 Speaker 1: mean girl, just because like the story that we like 424 00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,824 Speaker 1: to consume, there's nothing that sort of takes off more 425 00:19:07,864 --> 00:19:10,784 Speaker 1: than like the hatred of a famous woman of actually 426 00:19:10,824 --> 00:19:14,784 Speaker 1: one who had been quite beloved before this. I think 427 00:19:14,784 --> 00:19:16,144 Speaker 1: this is going to kind of go back and forth 428 00:19:16,184 --> 00:19:19,424 Speaker 1: for quite a while, because after Justin Baldoni's lawsuit came out, 429 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:22,664 Speaker 1: Blake and her team said, like, this is classic sexual 430 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:26,464 Speaker 1: harassment behavior because he's trying to victim blame and he's 431 00:19:26,504 --> 00:19:28,384 Speaker 1: trying to change the narrative, and this is what we 432 00:19:28,464 --> 00:19:30,624 Speaker 1: see all the time, and we're going to really stand strong. 433 00:19:31,104 --> 00:19:33,824 Speaker 1: So I think she's going to really keep pushing. It 434 00:19:33,944 --> 00:19:36,104 Speaker 1: seems like one of those situations where they both think 435 00:19:36,144 --> 00:19:38,544 Speaker 1: that they have a lot on the other. Otherwise, why 436 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:40,624 Speaker 1: would you go public and put yourself in that situation 437 00:19:40,704 --> 00:19:42,144 Speaker 1: if you didn't think that you would be the one 438 00:19:42,184 --> 00:19:42,904 Speaker 1: to come out on top. 439 00:19:43,024 --> 00:19:45,704 Speaker 3: I think that's that is the perfect segue there. Why 440 00:19:45,784 --> 00:19:48,304 Speaker 3: would you put all of this out in the public. 441 00:19:49,064 --> 00:19:53,024 Speaker 3: And I think a big part of it is taking 442 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:55,464 Speaker 3: that veil down again. I think there's a lot of 443 00:19:55,904 --> 00:20:01,144 Speaker 3: desire for that. I think the problem with TikTok, social media, 444 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:04,264 Speaker 3: all of this stuff, and I am chronically online, like 445 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:08,104 Speaker 3: I love made some TikTok, but I think the issue 446 00:20:08,224 --> 00:20:10,824 Speaker 3: is that once you engage with something, you start getting 447 00:20:10,864 --> 00:20:12,864 Speaker 3: the same thing over and over and over again. So 448 00:20:12,984 --> 00:20:16,424 Speaker 3: then you might be kind of on the fence. You 449 00:20:16,504 --> 00:20:19,584 Speaker 3: might be wanting to see what happens with this lawsuit. 450 00:20:20,184 --> 00:20:22,624 Speaker 3: But if you engage with one Blake Lively video where 451 00:20:22,624 --> 00:20:27,064 Speaker 3: they're saying this is how difficult she is out of context, 452 00:20:27,424 --> 00:20:30,864 Speaker 3: you're going to see interview after interview showing you that 453 00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:33,544 Speaker 3: same It's that sort of confirmation. 454 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:34,544 Speaker 1: Bias, right exactly. 455 00:20:34,704 --> 00:20:37,464 Speaker 3: It is you are going to get what you start 456 00:20:37,504 --> 00:20:39,664 Speaker 3: engaging with. And I think that that can be something 457 00:20:39,744 --> 00:20:45,224 Speaker 3: that can be really tricky in these types of disagreements. Now, 458 00:20:45,664 --> 00:20:49,224 Speaker 3: in terms of Blake being sexually harassed on set, there's 459 00:20:49,304 --> 00:20:52,544 Speaker 3: absolutely no place for that, and I think that we 460 00:20:52,624 --> 00:20:57,064 Speaker 3: have all learned that we believe victims right, that doesn't 461 00:20:57,104 --> 00:20:59,224 Speaker 3: also mean that she kin't. 462 00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:02,384 Speaker 2: Of being difficult. Oh, absolute things can be true. 463 00:21:02,224 --> 00:21:04,384 Speaker 1: And that's why I think this idea of the lawsuit 464 00:21:04,424 --> 00:21:06,424 Speaker 1: and the backlashing, all that sort of stuff, keeping it 465 00:21:06,464 --> 00:21:08,624 Speaker 1: in two different minds of like one is like this 466 00:21:08,984 --> 00:21:11,624 Speaker 1: Hollywood power play and the other there is like an 467 00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:14,464 Speaker 1: unsafe workplace, and obviously because they're linked to the same person, 468 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:17,504 Speaker 1: they come together. But I think also like most people 469 00:21:17,584 --> 00:21:19,344 Speaker 1: have just run away with like that Game of Thrones 470 00:21:19,424 --> 00:21:21,224 Speaker 1: quote because it's funny and it like leads into this 471 00:21:21,464 --> 00:21:24,984 Speaker 1: whole like crazy Hollywood story without sort of reading through 472 00:21:25,024 --> 00:21:27,904 Speaker 1: the other list of allegations, which are quite horrific in 473 00:21:27,984 --> 00:21:30,624 Speaker 1: terms of she said like justin Baldoni like insisted she'd 474 00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:33,144 Speaker 1: be naked for the birth scenes, and then when she 475 00:21:33,184 --> 00:21:34,744 Speaker 1: said no, like kind of have a sheet or we 476 00:21:34,784 --> 00:21:37,184 Speaker 1: can shoot it in a different way, he showed her 477 00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:39,864 Speaker 1: the video of his wife giving birth allegedly is what 478 00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:42,224 Speaker 1: she's saying in the lawsuit where his wife is naked, 479 00:21:42,264 --> 00:21:44,184 Speaker 1: and she said, like, yes, thank you have birth for children. 480 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:45,904 Speaker 1: I know what birth is like, but I don't want 481 00:21:45,904 --> 00:21:48,184 Speaker 1: to be naked on a set. And then he brought 482 00:21:48,184 --> 00:21:51,304 Speaker 1: a friend in instead of an actor to play the gynecologist, 483 00:21:51,384 --> 00:21:53,464 Speaker 1: so he was like next to her naked body and 484 00:21:53,504 --> 00:21:56,824 Speaker 1: she was very like uncomfortable. So, like, those allegations are 485 00:21:56,864 --> 00:21:58,624 Speaker 1: coming out, but they're not really making it into the 486 00:21:58,624 --> 00:22:00,784 Speaker 1: headlines because they're not as fun as like a silly 487 00:22:00,824 --> 00:22:01,504 Speaker 1: text message. 488 00:22:01,584 --> 00:22:04,584 Speaker 3: Yeah, something that I really want to just kind of 489 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,104 Speaker 3: a little bit of like experience from in these types 490 00:22:08,104 --> 00:22:12,664 Speaker 3: of environments, this entertainment environment back in my day I 491 00:22:12,744 --> 00:22:16,064 Speaker 3: modeled a very very long time ago. Now, the environments 492 00:22:16,064 --> 00:22:18,464 Speaker 3: in these entertainment spaces. I'm not saying this is exactly 493 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,784 Speaker 3: like movies, but it's a little bit more casual. We're 494 00:22:21,824 --> 00:22:24,744 Speaker 3: not talking about like HR departments and all of that 495 00:22:24,784 --> 00:22:28,504 Speaker 3: stuff is not as common, particularly back in the day 496 00:22:28,544 --> 00:22:31,144 Speaker 3: on those sets that wouldn't have been something that's super 497 00:22:31,144 --> 00:22:35,224 Speaker 3: common into mister. Coordinators are now becoming significantly more common 498 00:22:35,224 --> 00:22:38,344 Speaker 3: on sets, having people there to protect the actors so 499 00:22:38,384 --> 00:22:42,144 Speaker 3: that they can have a voice. Now if Blake was 500 00:22:42,184 --> 00:22:45,984 Speaker 3: someone different, maybe she wasn't as big of an actor, 501 00:22:46,384 --> 00:22:49,304 Speaker 3: she probably would have done the scene naked. So there 502 00:22:49,424 --> 00:22:53,344 Speaker 3: is a dynamic on a film set or in an 503 00:22:53,464 --> 00:22:56,464 Speaker 3: entertainment set where sometimes these. 504 00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:58,824 Speaker 2: Quote unquote rules of. 505 00:22:59,344 --> 00:23:03,744 Speaker 3: A professional environment maybe aren't as clear cut. 506 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:05,784 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and. 507 00:23:06,384 --> 00:23:10,064 Speaker 3: I think that in my experience as a woman, if 508 00:23:10,104 --> 00:23:13,984 Speaker 3: you show potentially an amount of kindness to a man 509 00:23:15,024 --> 00:23:20,424 Speaker 3: or someone and maybe there is that rapport there, maybe 510 00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:24,024 Speaker 3: you are friendly, and then they might go, oh, okay, 511 00:23:24,104 --> 00:23:24,944 Speaker 3: they're okay with that. 512 00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:26,344 Speaker 2: I'm going to make this comment. 513 00:23:26,544 --> 00:23:29,944 Speaker 3: And then go, oh wait, Bounty, I don't feel comfortable 514 00:23:29,984 --> 00:23:30,384 Speaker 3: with that. 515 00:23:30,864 --> 00:23:32,824 Speaker 1: And then you worry about pushing back because then you're 516 00:23:32,824 --> 00:23:34,664 Speaker 1: worried like you'll be seen as like not the cool girl, 517 00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:36,224 Speaker 1: or the difficult one, or the one that's trying to 518 00:23:36,304 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 1: ruin the fun for everyone, which it sounds like as 519 00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:40,464 Speaker 1: much as Blake had power on this set, it did 520 00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:42,464 Speaker 1: seem like a little bit of a boys club with 521 00:23:42,584 --> 00:23:44,384 Speaker 1: these producers. And it's so interesting what you're saying with 522 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:47,584 Speaker 1: the intimacy coordinator because that's become such a big thing 523 00:23:47,624 --> 00:23:50,504 Speaker 1: on sets. And then in the lawsuit there's text messages 524 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,184 Speaker 1: where it looks like Justin I mean, we haven't seen 525 00:23:53,224 --> 00:23:55,024 Speaker 1: the whole text threat because it's not in there in 526 00:23:55,064 --> 00:23:57,584 Speaker 1: the lawsuit, but it looks like Justin is saying to 527 00:23:57,664 --> 00:24:00,344 Speaker 1: Blake like, please come and meet the intimacy coordinator. I 528 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:02,424 Speaker 1: want you to talk to them. She's saying no. And 529 00:24:02,464 --> 00:24:05,144 Speaker 1: then in a side message, he's saying to his producers 530 00:24:05,424 --> 00:24:07,744 Speaker 1: she's refusing to meet him, and they're saying that's on her. 531 00:24:07,824 --> 00:24:10,144 Speaker 1: So that's obviously painting her in a really bad light. 532 00:24:10,704 --> 00:24:12,424 Speaker 1: But then again, we don't know did this happen after 533 00:24:12,424 --> 00:24:14,544 Speaker 1: the meeting where she said stop talking about my dead father, 534 00:24:14,584 --> 00:24:16,944 Speaker 1: because Justin Baldoni said he was communicating with him, Like, 535 00:24:16,984 --> 00:24:19,744 Speaker 1: it's so wild to start pulling through all the threads. 536 00:24:20,024 --> 00:24:23,104 Speaker 3: I'm so into minds about this because I do find 537 00:24:23,144 --> 00:24:26,464 Speaker 3: Blake a little bit difficult, and I do get a bit. 538 00:24:26,304 --> 00:24:29,064 Speaker 1: Of an ick from yeah, I mean sometimes. 539 00:24:29,424 --> 00:24:34,304 Speaker 3: But then I also can completely understand if you've worked 540 00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:38,784 Speaker 3: for twenty thirty years in an industry and maybe you 541 00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:41,184 Speaker 3: want to have a certain sense of control in an 542 00:24:41,304 --> 00:24:43,304 Speaker 3: environment and that's not right. 543 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:46,264 Speaker 2: To do that. Maybe she hasn't gone about it the 544 00:24:46,384 --> 00:24:49,304 Speaker 2: right way. But yeah, there's so much to this. 545 00:24:49,464 --> 00:24:51,424 Speaker 3: But do you know what my biggest thing is, Oh, 546 00:24:51,464 --> 00:24:53,944 Speaker 3: what's that. I don't think anything's going to come from 547 00:24:53,984 --> 00:24:55,984 Speaker 3: this lawsuit. Really, I don't think it's going to get 548 00:24:56,024 --> 00:24:57,904 Speaker 3: a trial. Maybe I'm going to be wrong and we're 549 00:24:57,904 --> 00:24:59,704 Speaker 3: going to play this in a few months and everyone's 550 00:24:59,744 --> 00:25:02,504 Speaker 3: going to be like, Eh, they did. It's almost like 551 00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:05,944 Speaker 3: a dumping of information, and this is the legal way 552 00:25:05,984 --> 00:25:07,504 Speaker 3: to do it. I'm not going to put it in 553 00:25:07,504 --> 00:25:09,704 Speaker 3: an article. I'm going to sue you because then it's 554 00:25:09,744 --> 00:25:12,624 Speaker 3: public knowledge which everybody can read through all of these 555 00:25:12,664 --> 00:25:15,224 Speaker 3: text messages and you can see, and then other people 556 00:25:15,264 --> 00:25:19,144 Speaker 3: can make the decisions. I feel like from a PR strategy, 557 00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:22,864 Speaker 3: this is not about money. This is about people's reputations, 558 00:25:22,904 --> 00:25:26,824 Speaker 3: which we know the defamation lawsuit, but this is an 559 00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:30,544 Speaker 3: excuse almost to show their dirty launchree. 560 00:25:30,784 --> 00:25:33,384 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. The only kind of thing on that is 561 00:25:33,424 --> 00:25:35,584 Speaker 1: that it does seem like there's no way out except 562 00:25:35,584 --> 00:25:37,224 Speaker 1: going to trial. But you're right, because that will just 563 00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:40,264 Speaker 1: bring out even more information. The only thing is that, 564 00:25:40,304 --> 00:25:42,504 Speaker 1: like if this kind of stopped now and they both 565 00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:44,824 Speaker 1: all walked away from it, I feel like Blake and 566 00:25:44,904 --> 00:25:48,144 Speaker 1: Ryan would be okay because they have so much money 567 00:25:48,144 --> 00:25:51,424 Speaker 1: outside of their entertainment industry things, and like the brands 568 00:25:51,464 --> 00:25:54,064 Speaker 1: they own, like they're billionaires. And I think also they 569 00:25:54,144 --> 00:25:57,904 Speaker 1: have so much goodwill in the industry between them. They 570 00:25:57,944 --> 00:26:00,464 Speaker 1: had their own production companies like and at least half 571 00:26:00,464 --> 00:26:02,144 Speaker 1: of the public now has kind of gone back over 572 00:26:02,184 --> 00:26:04,104 Speaker 1: to Blake Lively, So I think they could walk away 573 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:08,304 Speaker 1: from this, but Justin Baldoni really can't because he's burned 574 00:26:08,344 --> 00:26:11,744 Speaker 1: so many bridges, like he's burnt it with Marvel and 575 00:26:11,824 --> 00:26:13,784 Speaker 1: his podcast came to an end. The awards he was 576 00:26:13,824 --> 00:26:15,984 Speaker 1: going to get for being good Man were taken away 577 00:26:15,984 --> 00:26:18,944 Speaker 1: from him. He's got no representation, he doesn't have that 578 00:26:18,984 --> 00:26:22,304 Speaker 1: big backload of clout and money, so he can't walk 579 00:26:22,344 --> 00:26:25,584 Speaker 1: away from it now. I feel without something, so he'll 580 00:26:25,744 --> 00:26:27,584 Speaker 1: have to get some sort of a payout or some 581 00:26:27,624 --> 00:26:31,024 Speaker 1: sort of public retribution. But then if Blake and Ryan 582 00:26:31,344 --> 00:26:34,184 Speaker 1: settle and give him money, it's also then admitting that 583 00:26:34,264 --> 00:26:36,464 Speaker 1: what he said is true. So I kind of don't 584 00:26:36,464 --> 00:26:39,264 Speaker 1: see how they get out of it without going to trial. 585 00:26:39,504 --> 00:26:41,424 Speaker 3: But I think it's also one of those things that 586 00:26:41,544 --> 00:26:43,224 Speaker 3: this is in my head, I might be completing frong 587 00:26:43,264 --> 00:26:46,224 Speaker 3: here in my head. A countersuit is them him trying 588 00:26:46,264 --> 00:26:48,664 Speaker 3: to regain some of that reputation he lost back in 589 00:26:48,704 --> 00:26:52,504 Speaker 3: December when Blake filed her lawsuit. Yes, this is now, 590 00:26:53,024 --> 00:26:54,624 Speaker 3: so whether it goes to trial or not, all this 591 00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:58,304 Speaker 3: information is out there, so it doesn't necessarily have to 592 00:26:58,304 --> 00:26:58,904 Speaker 3: go in front. 593 00:26:58,704 --> 00:26:59,464 Speaker 2: Of a judge. 594 00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:00,624 Speaker 1: Like it's already out there. 595 00:27:00,664 --> 00:27:01,424 Speaker 2: It's already out there. 596 00:27:01,544 --> 00:27:04,064 Speaker 3: So are people going to go back to just inside 597 00:27:04,184 --> 00:27:05,984 Speaker 3: after seeing this latest lawsuit? 598 00:27:06,104 --> 00:27:08,064 Speaker 1: Well, I think some people are flipping back and forth, 599 00:27:08,064 --> 00:27:09,664 Speaker 1: But I almost think like maybe it's the New York 600 00:27:09,664 --> 00:27:12,024 Speaker 1: Times lawsuit, which is a separate one, that might be 601 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:15,664 Speaker 1: the kicker for him, because that is so damning against 602 00:27:15,744 --> 00:27:18,504 Speaker 1: him and his team, and if he can sort of 603 00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:21,144 Speaker 1: get proven that that's defamation and that's false, then that 604 00:27:21,224 --> 00:27:25,224 Speaker 1: overturns like the biggest publicity moment in this whole situation. 605 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:26,944 Speaker 1: But at the same time, like the New York Times 606 00:27:26,984 --> 00:27:29,064 Speaker 1: is very like skilled and being sued for things like this, 607 00:27:29,144 --> 00:27:31,984 Speaker 1: and they would have fact checked everything very carefully before 608 00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,424 Speaker 1: they published that story. So it's like that's almost a 609 00:27:34,464 --> 00:27:36,824 Speaker 1: fight that can't be one because they would have checked 610 00:27:36,824 --> 00:27:38,744 Speaker 1: it before it went to print. To be honest, I 611 00:27:38,784 --> 00:27:40,504 Speaker 1: don't see a way out for this man. Yeah, really, 612 00:27:40,544 --> 00:27:42,144 Speaker 1: I don't see how he's going to out of this. 613 00:27:42,664 --> 00:27:46,344 Speaker 3: Is very well known that defamation lawsuits are notoriously difficult 614 00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:48,704 Speaker 3: to win. Yes, you have to produce that there was 615 00:27:48,864 --> 00:27:54,264 Speaker 3: malicious intent behind the comments made. Yes, And you need 616 00:27:54,344 --> 00:27:57,304 Speaker 3: to prove that there are one hundred percent not true yes. 617 00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:02,064 Speaker 3: So proving that she wasn't uncomfortable and felt as though 618 00:28:02,104 --> 00:28:06,224 Speaker 3: she was being harassed on the set unequivocally is going 619 00:28:06,264 --> 00:28:07,864 Speaker 3: to be very challenging, exactly. 620 00:28:07,904 --> 00:28:09,704 Speaker 1: And they have those messages from him and his team 621 00:28:09,784 --> 00:28:11,864 Speaker 1: saying that they could take her down, like that's in 622 00:28:11,944 --> 00:28:13,984 Speaker 1: text message. Even though it's so funny because one of 623 00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:15,704 Speaker 1: the publicists is saying, like, stop putting this in writing, 624 00:28:15,704 --> 00:28:17,184 Speaker 1: we'll talk on the phone. Justin It's like, no, no, 625 00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:19,704 Speaker 1: I want it in writing. But yeah, very very hard 626 00:28:19,744 --> 00:28:21,664 Speaker 1: to prove. So, yeah, a lot of moving parts. I'm 627 00:28:21,664 --> 00:28:23,344 Speaker 1: sure this story is going to go on for quite 628 00:28:23,344 --> 00:28:25,544 Speaker 1: a while. But and yes, we're very sure that even 629 00:28:25,584 --> 00:28:27,584 Speaker 1: more allegations are going to come out. But don't worry, guys, 630 00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:30,064 Speaker 1: we will keep covering this till the better end. Well, 631 00:28:30,104 --> 00:28:32,144 Speaker 1: after listening to all that, if you still want even 632 00:28:32,184 --> 00:28:35,824 Speaker 1: more information on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni legal Battle. 633 00:28:35,904 --> 00:28:38,504 Speaker 1: We have done so many different podcasts covering all the 634 00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:41,704 Speaker 1: different allegations and updates, so we'll link those in our 635 00:28:41,704 --> 00:28:43,464 Speaker 1: show notes if you want to take a listen, and 636 00:28:43,664 --> 00:28:45,904 Speaker 1: if you want more from Cassena, you're in luck because 637 00:28:45,944 --> 00:28:47,784 Speaker 1: she does host another mom of Mere podcast. 638 00:28:48,104 --> 00:28:49,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I host dire over Birth. 639 00:28:49,424 --> 00:28:52,384 Speaker 3: So if you liked some of the breastfeeding chat, you 640 00:28:52,504 --> 00:28:54,024 Speaker 3: might like Diary of a Birth. 641 00:28:54,424 --> 00:28:55,984 Speaker 2: We talk to everyday. 642 00:28:55,584 --> 00:28:58,744 Speaker 3: Women about their experiences giving birth. 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