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Speaker 4: I am Kiri Sol and I'm Lucy Neville. And this

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Speaker 3: This is a show where us two real life besties

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Speaker 1: Now that we're all Bessie Leslie friends, best friends, best

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Speaker 4: Today on the show, We're going to talk about keys

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Speaker 4: brow elimination because I look amazing. But first I wanted

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Speaker 4: to talk about acne. So I have acne, and growing

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Speaker 4: up I had really clear skin. I remember friends making

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Speaker 4: comments me about it because typically we think teenagers acne,

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Speaker 4: hormones going wild, all that kind of stuff. But no

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Speaker 4: teen acne for me. Maybe a pimple every now and then.

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Speaker 4: Then in my early twenties, I started getting cistic, hormonal acne.

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Speaker 4: I had this iconic twelve week pimple stop fit. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: I'm twenty eight now and since my early twenties it's

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Speaker 4: been fairly consistent, so I get comments on it. Comments

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Speaker 4: don't really bother me because I feel like I'm out

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Speaker 4: a place of acceptance with my skin, like I really am.

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Speaker 4: I just kind of feel like skin is skin is skin,

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Speaker 4: and we're so used to seeing filters on skin and

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Speaker 4: and especially if you're up against hormonal challenges, medication, all

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Speaker 4: kinds of things that can play into acne. There have

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Speaker 4: been a few comments. TikTok mostly is the beast I

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Speaker 4: can't I had a viral video about nothing skin related.

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Speaker 4: It was just me speaking to the camera. The top

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Speaker 4: comment was I can't stop looking at her pimple, and

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Speaker 4: it had like thousands and thousands of likes. This video

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Speaker 4: I have hormonal acne and there's not really anything I

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Speaker 4: could do about this pinpool, but I hope you have

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Speaker 4: a really beautiful day killing with kindness always. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm aware that I have a pimple.

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Speaker 4: That's also the funniest thing of people like you have

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Speaker 4: being like I am so embarrassed. That's the first place

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Speaker 4: my mind went to and I'm really sorry, and I

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Speaker 4: was like, this was a good learning moment. I'm still

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Speaker 4: mad at them. For me, I was like, this is

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Speaker 4: a teachable moment. And my Instagram is kind of where

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Speaker 4: I show up the most authentically as myself and I'm

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Speaker 4: always on my stories. I never put filters, I never

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Speaker 4: trusting my recommendations because I've lived through it. While my

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Speaker 4: I just never know when it's going to change. And

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Speaker 4: there have been things that have helped manage my acme

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Speaker 4: Retinol really helps my acne the best. Yeah, skin needling.

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Speaker 4: I did a course of skin needling I've talked about

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Speaker 4: but the number one thing is self acceptance, like, truly

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Speaker 4: you can do all of those things. I always joke

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I had a really good chat on in her

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Speaker 4: bag with Maggie's out about skin neutrality.

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Speaker 1: I am someone who really, really really tries to embrace

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Speaker 4: I just picked so bad, Yeah, but it just leaves

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Speaker 4: me with more scarring to deal with. I also like

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Speaker 4: the Laroche Peze Efficla range, which is designed for blemish's blackheads.

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Speaker 4: Things like that, and I think as well, just curate

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Speaker 4: Mattie Edwards, who we've had on in her bag before,

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Speaker 2: Learning how to self validate changed my life. Growing up,

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Speaker 2: people's words and opinions of me. If you call me pretty, thanks,

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Speaker 2: I know. And if you call me ugly, it's like, okay, whatever,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, of course I still like receiving compliments.

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Speaker 2: They're always going to be nice, but I don't need

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Speaker 4: I think just making sure that you're seeing real skin

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Speaker 3: I love that. So I'm one hundred years late. But

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, let's talk about these brows.

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Speaker 4: I was going in there right now.

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Speaker 3: Per finally did the damn thing, And it was actually

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Speaker 3: quite serendipitous because I was at your house and you

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Speaker 3: taking it, and my brows have never looked better. And

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that I did this over getting feathering,

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Speaker 3: which was like pretty high up there really my consideration list. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So after that, I swore off any brow related thing.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I've had since then, which is like

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Speaker 3: would just prefer to embrace my natural brow shape. But

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Speaker 3: But the thing about eyebrow lamination is it's the process

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Speaker 3: of straightening the brow. So imagine like a perm for

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Speaker 3: in which they are brushed to during that process. So

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Speaker 3: for this we want it brushed up and really natural,

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Speaker 3: and it's perfect for people whose hair grows in different

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Speaker 4: also get a soft lamination. It's the same thing as you.

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Speaker 4: Like I always go in and I say, I just

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Speaker 4: want a natural look. I don't want to have like

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Speaker 3: Bert Ernie. I was thinking like John Howard, like sometimes

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Speaker 3: when I brushed them up. Now I'm like, whoa, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But it just means like I don't have to worry

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, Like it really shaves off that ten

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Speaker 3: like even eyeshadow quick. You know you've got your thing

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Speaker 3: just messing it up. I looked back at my wedding

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Speaker 3: eyebrows are a bit caterpillar. I'm not gonna lie. But

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Speaker 3: it's because I've got used to this lamination look. And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, why did I need to No, don't,

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Speaker 3: don't look at it. I'm really embarrassed. Now everyone's gonna

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying it on a bloody national podcast.

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Speaker 4: But what had you done to your brows and your

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Speaker 3: Was like that Victoria Beckham like straight across look, which

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Speaker 4: Like they look, I'm looking right now.

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Speaker 3: It's no way I'm ever gonna hate my dress. There's

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Speaker 3: no way I'm ever gonna hate my makeup. The brows

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Speaker 3: is something I can see myself being like whoa. That

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Speaker 3: that's old news because I got these brows now. Baby.

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Speaker 3: After the thick brows came in, I was like, where'd

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Speaker 3: brows go from here. There's been so many evolutions of that,

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Speaker 3: like soap brow Now we've got lamination browse. For what

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Speaker 3: they are, there's a lot of stuff you can do

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Speaker 3: to them anyway. I want to talk about the aftercare

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Speaker 3: because obviously six to eight weeks sometimes that may seem

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Speaker 3: think that's actually pretty good considering.

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Speaker 4: I think that's good.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, the aftercare is so easy, right. All

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours and then get that cast oil baby on,

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Speaker 3: a little spooil, a little spoolly, brush it on through when.

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Speaker 4: You're going to bed.

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Speaker 3: I do in the morning and night.

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Speaker 4: I do too, Like I really lather it up before bed.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I lather it up all the time. Look shining,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like, I don't care. My browth need to

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Speaker 4: YEA makes them it's a chemical process, so it makes

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Speaker 3: Just think about like if you ever knew someone who

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Speaker 3: got a perm in like the eighties, krusty Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: And my number one tip when getting any beauty thing

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Speaker 3: Yes, she said, do you want loose's brows? And I said, yes,

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about our picks of the week. You know

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Speaker 4: I love Nudsticks brand, So the Nudesticks Nude Beach Eye Palette.

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Speaker 4: It's limited edition. I'm sorry but they will have variations

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Speaker 4: they're all inspired like earthy tones. And what I love

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Speaker 4: Draw it on, use your finger to buffet out, use

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Speaker 4: I realized that I was using this palette. So you

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Speaker 4: can either use like one of the champagnee colors all

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Speaker 4: But this is their whole thing is cream products and

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Speaker 4: twenty dollars six pencils, and you get a sharpener in

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Speaker 4: Nude Sticks has different variations where they have like three pencils.

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Speaker 4: You can buy individual pencils, so pick the colors that

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Speaker 3: I mean to try this now.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, tell me about your pick.

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Speaker 3: So this is a bit random, but the smash Box

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Speaker 3: so yummy. And all I do is I put a

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Speaker 3: The colors, the pigment of formulation is so good. I'm

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Speaker 3: looking on mecha. They have ten shades. The medium brown

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Speaker 3: a smash Box primer oil complex, so that's why it

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Speaker 3: has that kind of comfy, sticky feeling. Yeah, lipsticky feeling,

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Speaker 3: I've had a thing of sparkling water and it's still there.

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Speaker 3: But I just love it because it's so easy to

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Speaker 3: apply and like move around and then you're dumb. Well

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Speaker 3: that seems like a pretty good note.

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Speaker 4: Dan and the show on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much Ubis for tuning in today.

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Speaker 4: We've had the best time. We really have.

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Speaker 4: For you, obviously. The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merrow,

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Speaker 4: with audio editing by Lou Hill. I'm going to see

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Speaker 4: you tomorrow. Well actually i'm not. You're going to hear

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Speaker 4: me tomorrow and in her bag.

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Speaker 3: Well in my ears.

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Speaker 4: Where I interview someone in the beauty space. Is it

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Speaker 4: makeup back? I can't tell you.

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Speaker 3: Listen, yes, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'll see you then.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.