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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Concerne Luke and

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Speaker 2: coming up on the show today is our weekly Maths recap,

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Speaker 2: will be joined by a special guest, where we get

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Speaker 2: into the biggest dramas from this week's show and discuss

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Speaker 2: the woman that Australia has turned against this week. There's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of plot twists, but first, I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of us today woke up to some very

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Speaker 2: very sad news from Hollywood and that was the death

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Speaker 2: of actor James Van der Beek at only forty eight

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Speaker 2: years old, which is so young.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So he documented his battle with cancer. He had

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Speaker 1: colorectal cancer. He announced that sort of back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four in November, and his wife Kimberly van der

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Speaker 1: Beek announced the news on Instagram, saying, our beloved James

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Speaker 1: David van der Beek past peacefully this morning. He met

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Speaker 1: his final days with courage, faith and grace. There is

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Speaker 1: so much to share regarding his wishes, love for humanity

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Speaker 1: and the sacredness of time. Those days will come. For

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Speaker 1: now we ask for peaceful privacy as we grieve our

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Speaker 1: loving husband, father, son, brother and friend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very sad. And he and Kimberly shared six children together,

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Speaker 2: which they had shared a lot of photos of their

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Speaker 2: family over the years, so a lot of people knew

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Speaker 2: the kids, like names and faces, and like how big

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Speaker 2: he often talked about being a father being his greatest role.

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Speaker 2: And I think a really beautiful moment from the Dawson's

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Speaker 2: Creek reunion that we had last year where all the

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Speaker 2: cast except James, who was too unwell to attend, got

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Speaker 2: together to recreate the pilot of Dawson's Creek to raise

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Speaker 2: money for his family and also for cancer research, and

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Speaker 2: his two oldest daughters got up on stage at the

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Speaker 2: end and sang the Dawson's Creek theme song because obviously

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Speaker 2: something they've grown up and were really proud of. His

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Speaker 2: love story with Kimberly. I always thought was really lovely,

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Speaker 2: even though I was always kind of jealous, you know

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Speaker 2: when someone dates your first crush. But I have such

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Speaker 2: that I remember everyone at school being super obsessed with.

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Speaker 2: So I was in primary school when Dawson's Creek came

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Speaker 2: and I just remember even in primary school everyone being like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why we're all allowed to watch it

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Speaker 2: because in the first like scene, Katie Holmes and James

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Speaker 2: they were childhood best friends. They always slept in the

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Speaker 2: same bed. It was like Dawson and Leary. The main

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Speaker 2: character was this kind of like dreamer, artistic boy who

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Speaker 2: she was little. She's been raised by her sister. Her

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Speaker 2: He's like, we've always had that. She's like, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: them through their high school or like tween years. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people like I came to age with Dawson's Creek,

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Speaker 2: and it was such a history making show. It like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was such an earnest character and that

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Speaker 2: Dat Yeah and not Yeah exactly. He did so many

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Speaker 2: reason Dawson's Creek worked is that everyone on that show,

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Speaker 1: Because he was a bit of a wet Blaine.

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Speaker 2: in defense of Dawson Leary, which I have said many

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Speaker 1: I think you also in that sort of time frame,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why, you know, people loved him

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Speaker 2: And he never said anything bad about the show that

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Speaker 1: A lot of the work that he did since Dawson's

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Speaker 1: he did this interview with Indy Weyer in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: Like Dawson's Creek was so iconic, but he kind of

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Speaker 2: greatest role ever after Dawson Leary is playing himself James

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Speaker 2: Vanderbeek in Don't Trust the Bitch an Apartment twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, so this is there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of history behind him getting that role. Right, So

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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven he did this whole like web series

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Speaker 1: he did this whole series with them called The Vanderweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I have seen. And they did all of.

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Speaker 1: These different skits and basically he's playing himself. The one

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Speaker 3: Hell man, my name's James Vanderbeek, and I'm sorry. For

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Speaker 3: years I've played sensitive do Good or Dawson Leary on

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Speaker 3: Dawson's Creaking. Now you made have watched the show, but

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Speaker 3: your girlfriend did, and for years she's been secretly comparing

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Speaker 3: you to a very unrealistic stampard. Maybe you forgot your

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Speaker 3: anniversary or you didn't call her enough from your friend's

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Speaker 3: bachelor party. I'll make you look like a hero.

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Speaker 4: I lower it ar.

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Speaker 1: It's just so clever. So the reason he got that

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Speaker 2: They can see that they were so much in that

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Speaker 2: original character of this parody of himself. So in Don't

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Speaker 2: Trust Their Bitch and Apartment twenty three, some people don't

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Speaker 2: like that title. I think it's a perfect title. Most

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Speaker 2: you're here to not leave me alone with these people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I could survive one of

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Speaker 4: This week, the Experiment has brought in something new. They've

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Speaker 2: They always do that no each other.

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Speaker 5: challenge up at the start. Yeah, but I think they're

434
00:18:56,314 --> 00:18:58,154
Speaker 5: just getting them to where they need to be real quick.

435
00:18:58,634 --> 00:19:00,634
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think they got their producers got exactly

436
00:19:00,674 --> 00:19:02,714
Speaker 2: where they wanted with a few kind of blobs and drama,

437
00:19:02,794 --> 00:19:06,274
Speaker 2: and especially with Jeer and Scott, right gosh. Yes.

438
00:19:06,474 --> 00:19:08,714
Speaker 4: So obviously we saw Scott and ga off to a

439
00:19:08,714 --> 00:19:11,394
Speaker 4: really good start. He was all good with her having

440
00:19:11,394 --> 00:19:14,033
Speaker 4: a kid. But then I think the red flag started

441
00:19:14,034 --> 00:19:17,994
Speaker 4: to appear because Gia watches Scott's audition video where he

442
00:19:18,234 --> 00:19:20,593
Speaker 4: straight out says, I don't want to be paying for

443
00:19:20,634 --> 00:19:22,194
Speaker 4: someone else's kid to go to school.

444
00:19:22,434 --> 00:19:24,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of the red flag chap they have in

445
00:19:24,634 --> 00:19:27,114
Speaker 2: the later episodes, that was such a big red flag.

446
00:19:27,154 --> 00:19:29,434
Speaker 2: And it was so funny because Gea and Scott were

447
00:19:29,474 --> 00:19:32,074
Speaker 2: the couple who were calling themselves the Golden Couple, and

448
00:19:32,354 --> 00:19:35,074
Speaker 2: at first they were surprised because after their wedding they

449
00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:38,154
Speaker 2: just seemed so loved up and happy and so into

450
00:19:38,194 --> 00:19:38,554
Speaker 2: each other.

451
00:19:38,554 --> 00:19:40,874
Speaker 5: I thought it was a millionaire. Yes, to believe he

452
00:19:40,914 --> 00:19:41,514
Speaker 5: was a millionaire?

453
00:19:42,234 --> 00:19:44,553
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly for school. Maybe they kind of brought that

454
00:19:44,594 --> 00:19:46,754
Speaker 2: into a roadblock to kind of push them off course

455
00:19:47,114 --> 00:19:48,994
Speaker 2: because they were the lobby dovey couple.

456
00:19:48,914 --> 00:19:50,794
Speaker 5: And I lest they would never do that.

457
00:19:51,314 --> 00:19:53,034
Speaker 2: And look, I did feel a bit bad for them

458
00:19:53,074 --> 00:19:55,914
Speaker 2: because at the dinner party when the other couples were

459
00:19:55,954 --> 00:19:58,194
Speaker 2: saying like, we went here, we went to Fiji, where

460
00:19:58,194 --> 00:20:00,833
Speaker 2: did you guys go? And they're like Townsvill And I

461
00:20:00,874 --> 00:20:06,194
Speaker 2: literally laughed out loud, which I'm a Townsville girl. So

462
00:20:06,234 --> 00:20:08,354
Speaker 2: I was just like, did you hit up Bullaz or

463
00:20:08,394 --> 00:20:11,513
Speaker 2: the mad Cow? Like, once you leave the strand what

464
00:20:11,554 --> 00:20:13,234
Speaker 2: else do you? Yeah? I should have given them some

465
00:20:13,234 --> 00:20:15,834
Speaker 2: trouble tips. They've already taken such a big hit that

466
00:20:15,874 --> 00:20:17,754
Speaker 2: they didn't get to go to a fancy place, and

467
00:20:17,994 --> 00:20:21,354
Speaker 2: now she's finding out that he's a bit of a liar.

468
00:20:21,914 --> 00:20:23,674
Speaker 4: I know, I think it is hard. I do believe

469
00:20:23,714 --> 00:20:25,234
Speaker 4: him when he says, you know, I've met you. Now

470
00:20:25,234 --> 00:20:27,754
Speaker 4: I'm in this experiment. I wasn't open in the past,

471
00:20:27,874 --> 00:20:30,554
Speaker 4: and that's why I'm here. But now I'm really drinking

472
00:20:30,594 --> 00:20:31,874
Speaker 4: the call ad Like as I said.

473
00:20:31,674 --> 00:20:33,514
Speaker 2: That was really Oh you believe their love story?

474
00:20:33,634 --> 00:20:34,554
Speaker 5: I'm like, what am I doing?

475
00:20:34,874 --> 00:20:37,314
Speaker 2: Well? It's also hard because I guess those audition videos,

476
00:20:37,434 --> 00:20:40,073
Speaker 2: it's like they're also people who are trying to get

477
00:20:40,114 --> 00:20:42,593
Speaker 2: on TV, so they're trying to give these kind of

478
00:20:42,674 --> 00:20:45,954
Speaker 2: big like statements and things to kind of get them.

479
00:20:46,114 --> 00:20:49,074
Speaker 2: This guy has this is his fourth reality show, I think,

480
00:20:49,114 --> 00:20:50,033
Speaker 2: so he starts.

481
00:20:49,754 --> 00:20:51,754
Speaker 5: A rogue once like they weren't dating related.

482
00:20:52,194 --> 00:20:54,994
Speaker 4: But honestly, if you my audition for Love Island is

483
00:20:54,994 --> 00:20:57,314
Speaker 4: summer on the internet, I chose to post it somewhere.

484
00:20:57,474 --> 00:20:57,833
Speaker 2: Oh you did.

485
00:20:58,074 --> 00:21:00,874
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane, Like I wouldn't say it's like a reflection.

486
00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:03,194
Speaker 4: It's not bad, but it's not a reflection of like

487
00:21:03,274 --> 00:21:04,154
Speaker 4: what I actually stand for.

488
00:21:04,234 --> 00:21:06,514
Speaker 2: Also, it's like a resume, right, so because you're trying

489
00:21:06,514 --> 00:21:08,114
Speaker 2: because you're trying to get on no, but you're trying

490
00:21:08,114 --> 00:21:10,593
Speaker 2: to get a liland. So you do a video that

491
00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:12,714
Speaker 2: will get you on Love Island. That's a smart thing

492
00:21:12,714 --> 00:21:14,154
Speaker 2: to do. It doesn't mean you're a liar. It's like

493
00:21:14,194 --> 00:21:16,674
Speaker 2: if you applied for one job, you'd write a cover

494
00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:18,834
Speaker 2: letter that would be different to applying for another job.

495
00:21:19,074 --> 00:21:21,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to lean in to like some opinions

496
00:21:21,834 --> 00:21:24,474
Speaker 4: that you have. But if you meet someone and you

497
00:21:24,514 --> 00:21:25,994
Speaker 4: say to them, you got to take it. I think

498
00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:28,234
Speaker 4: GA has to take at face value. Scott saying Ge

499
00:21:28,434 --> 00:21:30,954
Speaker 4: he doesn't mind that he likes her and for now

500
00:21:30,954 --> 00:21:32,394
Speaker 4: that's kind of all she's got to work with.

501
00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:35,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just sometimes the phrasing, and I

502
00:21:35,594 --> 00:21:37,353
Speaker 2: think with him it was the phrasing of being like

503
00:21:37,474 --> 00:21:39,594
Speaker 2: you can take care of itself, pay for its own schooling.

504
00:21:39,674 --> 00:21:41,954
Speaker 2: It just felt like it just I got like little

505
00:21:42,034 --> 00:21:44,954
Speaker 2: chills watching that because it just freaked me out about

506
00:21:44,954 --> 00:21:47,354
Speaker 2: what a good liar he is and what a good liar,

507
00:21:48,794 --> 00:21:51,593
Speaker 2: because Yeah, what he was saying in that video I

508
00:21:51,634 --> 00:21:53,874
Speaker 2: did believe was like his true thoughts and just like

509
00:21:53,914 --> 00:21:55,553
Speaker 2: it's it's not what he said, it's the way he

510
00:21:55,674 --> 00:21:59,234
Speaker 2: said it, very like dismissive and callous and uncaring, and

511
00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:01,114
Speaker 2: then the wedding just being like no, I love that

512
00:22:01,154 --> 00:22:03,434
Speaker 2: you have a kid. That's so and I understand it's

513
00:22:03,434 --> 00:22:06,154
Speaker 2: different when you know the person, but I'm just like, he.

514
00:22:06,154 --> 00:22:08,034
Speaker 5: Also doesn't remember the kid's name.

515
00:22:08,114 --> 00:22:08,834
Speaker 2: Oh that was cool.

516
00:22:08,914 --> 00:22:10,394
Speaker 5: She to be fair, I don't remember either.

517
00:22:11,154 --> 00:22:12,874
Speaker 2: But has she ever said the daughter? I don't know.

518
00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:13,594
Speaker 5: I think maybe they're not.

519
00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:15,434
Speaker 2: It's not our job to remember. We're not sleeping with her,

520
00:22:15,554 --> 00:22:17,394
Speaker 2: nor do we know this woman. But that was a

521
00:22:17,434 --> 00:22:19,313
Speaker 2: great moment from that producer who was like, what's her

522
00:22:19,394 --> 00:22:22,954
Speaker 2: daughter's name? And now he's in a weird situation because

523
00:22:22,954 --> 00:22:25,634
Speaker 2: he can't ask and he has to keep and she

524
00:22:25,714 --> 00:22:28,314
Speaker 2: keeps calling her daughter or my baby or that sort

525
00:22:28,314 --> 00:22:32,674
Speaker 2: of stuff, like all like cute, normal mum stuff, and so, Yeah,

526
00:22:32,954 --> 00:22:35,074
Speaker 2: I would love to know what she's thinking watching this back.

527
00:22:35,274 --> 00:22:37,434
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it will be a trainwork eventually because

528
00:22:37,434 --> 00:22:39,474
Speaker 4: it was going too well for them. Yeah, it's going

529
00:22:39,474 --> 00:22:42,234
Speaker 4: too well, and I think it'll be interesting to see

530
00:22:42,234 --> 00:22:43,954
Speaker 4: how it plays out now this has come out, because

531
00:22:43,954 --> 00:22:45,954
Speaker 4: it obviously really upset her and it's something that she's

532
00:22:45,994 --> 00:22:46,994
Speaker 4: conscious of in dating.

533
00:22:47,154 --> 00:22:49,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also hard to because like the reason

534
00:22:49,794 --> 00:22:52,114
Speaker 2: people loved this couple even though they both came across

535
00:22:52,114 --> 00:22:56,274
Speaker 2: initially quite bad, I thought personally in the first episodes,

536
00:22:56,674 --> 00:22:59,594
Speaker 2: people really warmed them because they had bonded over her daughter.

537
00:22:59,634 --> 00:23:01,354
Speaker 2: And I think that's such a huge thing for women

538
00:23:01,394 --> 00:23:03,674
Speaker 2: in particular, and we're trying to get there in date

539
00:23:03,914 --> 00:23:06,114
Speaker 2: being worried about telling a man they have a child,

540
00:23:06,434 --> 00:23:09,074
Speaker 2: and previous on merrit first sight, we've seen women kind

541
00:23:09,074 --> 00:23:10,793
Speaker 2: of be put through the ringer over that and be

542
00:23:10,874 --> 00:23:13,273
Speaker 2: like unfairly judged. So I think it was a lovely

543
00:23:13,314 --> 00:23:15,114
Speaker 2: thing to be like, oh, of course she's got a kid,

544
00:23:15,154 --> 00:23:17,114
Speaker 2: and that's fine and nice, and now that it's kind

545
00:23:17,114 --> 00:23:19,833
Speaker 2: of gone this way, it's just retreading that old story

546
00:23:19,874 --> 00:23:22,714
Speaker 2: of like, not every man will except that you have

547
00:23:22,794 --> 00:23:24,353
Speaker 2: a child, which I know is true, but I think

548
00:23:24,394 --> 00:23:25,994
Speaker 2: it's nice to see the opposite on TV.

549
00:23:26,554 --> 00:23:27,314
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

550
00:23:27,394 --> 00:23:28,994
Speaker 4: I mean, if there is one thing they have going

551
00:23:29,034 --> 00:23:31,474
Speaker 4: for them, apparently they're having lots of sex.

552
00:23:31,314 --> 00:23:33,434
Speaker 2: And that's great for them, to be honest, if you

553
00:23:33,474 --> 00:23:37,353
Speaker 2: were tucked in those tiny beige rooms with someone that

554
00:23:37,394 --> 00:23:39,794
Speaker 2: you didn't want to hook up with, that's just a nightmare.

555
00:23:39,994 --> 00:23:42,034
Speaker 4: And I mean I think that's what's stemming a lot

556
00:23:42,034 --> 00:23:45,554
Speaker 4: of the drummer between Beck and Ja. Yeah, because Obviously

557
00:23:45,714 --> 00:23:48,154
Speaker 4: we have Beck on the other hand, who is not

558
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:51,394
Speaker 4: really getting much intimacy out of her partner and they

559
00:23:51,794 --> 00:23:53,394
Speaker 4: cannot stand each other.

560
00:23:53,714 --> 00:23:56,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, does this feel like a real reality TV

561
00:23:56,274 --> 00:23:57,954
Speaker 2: for you? To you? From what we've seen of them

562
00:23:57,954 --> 00:23:59,794
Speaker 2: at the Hen's party and then at the dinner party,

563
00:23:59,834 --> 00:24:01,714
Speaker 2: the two times they've interacted.

564
00:24:01,514 --> 00:24:03,754
Speaker 4: It feels strange because I don't know what place it's

565
00:24:03,794 --> 00:24:05,594
Speaker 4: coming from. I'm like, that feels like a lot of

566
00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:08,273
Speaker 4: foreshadowing because Ja keeps saying, you know, your man is

567
00:24:08,314 --> 00:24:11,154
Speaker 4: looking at me, and it just feels a bit planted

568
00:24:11,234 --> 00:24:14,474
Speaker 4: in Like I would be curious to hear what they're

569
00:24:14,514 --> 00:24:17,834
Speaker 4: being asked by producers because obviously, when you're asked, whenever

570
00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:20,874
Speaker 4: we see them do boxes on the screen the little interviews,

571
00:24:21,354 --> 00:24:23,994
Speaker 4: they are giving their answer in a full sentence. So

572
00:24:24,074 --> 00:24:27,434
Speaker 4: if somebody says to you, do you think Beck is

573
00:24:27,754 --> 00:24:30,274
Speaker 4: being a bitch tonight, then you would answer that saying

574
00:24:30,394 --> 00:24:32,513
Speaker 4: I think Beck is being a bitch tonight. You wouldn't

575
00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:34,674
Speaker 4: just say yes or no. So in that way, we

576
00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:36,874
Speaker 4: see a lot of them talking down on each other.

577
00:24:36,914 --> 00:24:40,234
Speaker 4: But I wonder if they're being prompted by the questions prediction.

578
00:24:41,274 --> 00:24:44,474
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this particular cat fight. It feels like it

579
00:24:44,514 --> 00:24:46,954
Speaker 2: feels stage to hell. To be honest, it feels like

580
00:24:47,234 --> 00:24:49,354
Speaker 2: I know it's half Produces feeding it and half Pete

581
00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:51,714
Speaker 2: are the contestants coming in with like stories that they

582
00:24:51,714 --> 00:24:53,154
Speaker 2: want to tell and how they want to appear on

583
00:24:53,194 --> 00:24:55,313
Speaker 2: the show. And I feel like Gea came into that

584
00:24:55,554 --> 00:24:59,474
Speaker 2: ten's night room looking almost for someone to like attack,

585
00:24:59,634 --> 00:25:01,674
Speaker 2: to kind of get like a second It's like she's

586
00:25:01,714 --> 00:25:04,394
Speaker 2: given herself a B plot. She's giving herself like a

587
00:25:04,434 --> 00:25:07,194
Speaker 2: second storyline. She's got a back up, and it's I

588
00:25:07,194 --> 00:25:09,794
Speaker 2: think her more airtime, so it's working. And then also

589
00:25:09,834 --> 00:25:12,194
Speaker 2: with Beck, I guess like again it's also edited, but

590
00:25:12,274 --> 00:25:14,234
Speaker 2: like she almost seemed to clock Dew when she came

591
00:25:14,274 --> 00:25:16,594
Speaker 2: in and they both have this. I just feel like

592
00:25:16,634 --> 00:25:18,914
Speaker 2: it feels like a feud for a feud's sake, and

593
00:25:18,914 --> 00:25:20,634
Speaker 2: that they tried to bring it up again at the

594
00:25:20,634 --> 00:25:23,754
Speaker 2: dinner party, and then obviously Beck tried to back down,

595
00:25:24,194 --> 00:25:26,354
Speaker 2: so maybe she had decided this wasn't the B plot

596
00:25:26,434 --> 00:25:27,553
Speaker 2: she wanted to be involved in.

597
00:25:27,674 --> 00:25:30,394
Speaker 4: I think she's also very insecure. Yeah, and it feels

598
00:25:30,394 --> 00:25:33,994
Speaker 4: like an easy target for Gay and I think it's

599
00:25:33,994 --> 00:25:36,114
Speaker 4: a bit of fun for Ja, but I do look

600
00:25:36,114 --> 00:25:37,914
Speaker 4: at Beck and I'm like, oh no, because I think

601
00:25:37,954 --> 00:25:39,634
Speaker 4: she does really take it to heart.

602
00:25:39,794 --> 00:25:40,994
Speaker 5: She seems quite sensitive.

603
00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:43,033
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be interested in how much Gia is like

604
00:25:43,114 --> 00:25:46,754
Speaker 2: self producing, because because we know that happens. And I

605
00:25:46,794 --> 00:25:49,273
Speaker 2: also feel like, because she was telling the guy she's with,

606
00:25:49,394 --> 00:25:52,034
Speaker 2: I want to say, Scott, yes, yes, yes, I cannot

607
00:25:52,074 --> 00:25:52,834
Speaker 2: keep the money straight.

608
00:25:52,954 --> 00:25:55,114
Speaker 4: When they were doing the ranking challenge, I was like

609
00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:57,954
Speaker 4: all the brunette men with like stubble yes, oh my.

610
00:25:57,914 --> 00:26:01,513
Speaker 2: God when they were doing the ranking challenge because I

611
00:26:01,514 --> 00:26:03,674
Speaker 2: didn't want to say it, but I had facial blindness

612
00:26:03,674 --> 00:26:05,273
Speaker 2: for these men. They all look the same to me.

613
00:26:05,954 --> 00:26:08,354
Speaker 2: And when they like line them up and they showed

614
00:26:08,354 --> 00:26:10,394
Speaker 2: the camera and you mean to had this moment of realization.

615
00:26:10,834 --> 00:26:13,034
Speaker 2: I was like, did she put him first? Which man

616
00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:13,513
Speaker 2: is witch?

617
00:26:13,554 --> 00:26:15,313
Speaker 4: I think it was less impressive this year than they

618
00:26:15,314 --> 00:26:17,634
Speaker 4: did the ranking because I was like, they're all kind

619
00:26:17,634 --> 00:26:19,914
Speaker 4: of the same but the same same cut copy.

620
00:26:20,074 --> 00:26:23,474
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a just a stubby man, a vacant look

621
00:26:23,514 --> 00:26:25,874
Speaker 2: behind his eyes, and she wanders. I have yet to

622
00:26:25,874 --> 00:26:28,754
Speaker 2: see a personality forge between those ten men or whatever

623
00:26:28,794 --> 00:26:31,034
Speaker 2: many of there are. Just it's not just not there.

624
00:26:31,114 --> 00:26:33,034
Speaker 2: I've never been so happy to be I most never

625
00:26:33,034 --> 00:26:34,914
Speaker 2: been so happy to be single in my entire life.

626
00:26:35,314 --> 00:26:36,714
Speaker 2: I feel like these men are married at first. I

627
00:26:36,794 --> 00:26:38,274
Speaker 2: have given us all the collective ick.

628
00:26:38,474 --> 00:26:39,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it just manage.

629
00:26:39,714 --> 00:26:41,754
Speaker 2: It makes you feel better actually. And also a lot

630
00:26:41,754 --> 00:26:44,554
Speaker 2: of the women not great either personality wise, so that

631
00:26:44,754 --> 00:26:47,114
Speaker 2: that's a thing. Anyway, we digress in having our own

632
00:26:47,194 --> 00:26:49,314
Speaker 2: one sided cat fight. Yeah, I just be because Gear

633
00:26:49,434 --> 00:26:51,554
Speaker 2: was really laying the crumbs before she and Scott left

634
00:26:51,594 --> 00:26:53,874
Speaker 2: their room of like, she's gonna come for me, I'm

635
00:26:53,874 --> 00:26:55,394
Speaker 2: going to come for her. We don't like each other.

636
00:26:55,434 --> 00:26:58,594
Speaker 2: We had a theme and so like what is the thing?

637
00:26:59,234 --> 00:27:00,514
Speaker 2: They just like to look at each other.

638
00:27:00,554 --> 00:27:02,114
Speaker 5: No, they were like, I don't like you, which I

639
00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:03,034
Speaker 5: guess that happens.

640
00:27:03,114 --> 00:27:04,954
Speaker 2: I never experienced hate at first sight. I hope one

641
00:27:04,994 --> 00:27:08,714
Speaker 2: day they hate it first. Yeah, need a rebrand exactly

642
00:27:09,194 --> 00:27:10,714
Speaker 2: after the show is that. I hope one day to

643
00:27:10,794 --> 00:27:12,994
Speaker 2: experience that. But it hasn't hit me yet. So we've

644
00:27:12,994 --> 00:27:15,273
Speaker 2: got those two doing their own side plot. But then

645
00:27:15,314 --> 00:27:17,073
Speaker 2: Beck and her english Men are also having a bit

646
00:27:17,074 --> 00:27:19,194
Speaker 2: of a tough time. Oh God, I think that man

647
00:27:19,234 --> 00:27:21,194
Speaker 2: just wants desperately to be out of there, not just

648
00:27:21,194 --> 00:27:24,114
Speaker 2: desperately away from her, but just desperately out of the situation. Yeah.

649
00:27:24,234 --> 00:27:26,154
Speaker 4: So I guess we've got Danny and Beck, and they

650
00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:28,434
Speaker 4: were intimate on their honeymoon, and then as soon as

651
00:27:28,474 --> 00:27:30,273
Speaker 4: that happened, he just couldn't have a bar of her.

652
00:27:30,674 --> 00:27:32,714
Speaker 2: He just did not the way that we talk about

653
00:27:32,714 --> 00:27:34,674
Speaker 2: them and the way that the experts talk about them,

654
00:27:34,754 --> 00:27:36,674
Speaker 2: I feel like we're talking about like animals, like the

655
00:27:36,714 --> 00:27:39,074
Speaker 2: way studying, and they touched here and then they were

656
00:27:39,114 --> 00:27:40,114
Speaker 2: intimate in this moment.

657
00:27:40,314 --> 00:27:43,194
Speaker 5: It's just it's so clinical, I know, isn't it.

658
00:27:43,234 --> 00:27:46,114
Speaker 4: But it's just it's so interesting as well seeing how

659
00:27:46,154 --> 00:27:47,474
Speaker 4: different it is between.

660
00:27:47,194 --> 00:27:50,073
Speaker 5: How Beck speaks about their experience and Danny.

661
00:27:50,194 --> 00:27:54,593
Speaker 4: She was raving about how great their relationship is, how

662
00:27:54,634 --> 00:27:57,513
Speaker 4: they had this great moment together, but the reality is

663
00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:58,634
Speaker 4: so far from the truth.

664
00:27:58,794 --> 00:28:02,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bold moved to lie about experience that was filmed,

665
00:28:02,714 --> 00:28:04,434
Speaker 2: but I guess maybe just at the dinner party in

666
00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:06,194
Speaker 2: that like environment, you just didn't want.

667
00:28:06,034 --> 00:28:08,554
Speaker 5: To blatant lie about how great the connection is.

668
00:28:08,594 --> 00:28:10,194
Speaker 4: And then we've got Danny going to the side to

669
00:28:10,234 --> 00:28:13,594
Speaker 4: production saying she's a three out of ten sexual attractive.

670
00:28:13,874 --> 00:28:16,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would die, Yes.

671
00:28:16,434 --> 00:28:19,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the thing I hate, like hearing

672
00:28:19,634 --> 00:28:21,954
Speaker 2: that the way that men talk about women on the show.

673
00:28:21,994 --> 00:28:24,194
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that is the reason they're

674
00:28:24,234 --> 00:28:27,114
Speaker 2: all there as well, so it's always just like themselves

675
00:28:27,154 --> 00:28:28,833
Speaker 2: and we're watching it like it's like sitting in this

676
00:28:28,914 --> 00:28:31,674
Speaker 2: messiness but knowing like there's a reason that it's happening.

677
00:28:31,674 --> 00:28:34,554
Speaker 2: It's so bad they can have those conversations, but.

678
00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:37,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're definitely in a dangerous space.

679
00:28:37,514 --> 00:28:39,114
Speaker 4: But I really felt for her and I thought it

680
00:28:39,154 --> 00:28:41,434
Speaker 4: was really hard, but they seemed to be thriving again.

681
00:28:41,514 --> 00:28:44,914
Speaker 4: They had the ranking challenge where he refused to rank anyone.

682
00:28:44,994 --> 00:28:46,994
Speaker 4: He put her first, then he chucked them all out

683
00:28:46,994 --> 00:28:47,394
Speaker 4: the window.

684
00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:50,474
Speaker 2: That is the correct thing to do, really, I don't

685
00:28:50,514 --> 00:28:51,834
Speaker 2: think it is really.

686
00:28:51,634 --> 00:28:52,514
Speaker 5: No that would annoy me.

687
00:28:52,594 --> 00:28:54,234
Speaker 4: I'd be like, well, now you haven't done it, You've

688
00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:56,234
Speaker 4: got out of it, what are you hiding?

689
00:28:56,474 --> 00:28:58,154
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that, because as soon as I

690
00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,954
Speaker 2: saw him put eighty women at the end, I would

691
00:29:00,954 --> 00:29:03,834
Speaker 2: just get really picked out by that. I know it's

692
00:29:04,154 --> 00:29:06,234
Speaker 2: I know it's the point of the game and the

693
00:29:06,274 --> 00:29:08,954
Speaker 2: experiment all these things, but just the idea of ranking

694
00:29:09,194 --> 00:29:11,474
Speaker 2: men and women, maybe even women more so, because like

695
00:29:11,474 --> 00:29:13,834
Speaker 2: they get judged on their lives more. It's just so great,

696
00:29:13,834 --> 00:29:14,514
Speaker 2: it's awful time.

697
00:29:15,114 --> 00:29:17,874
Speaker 4: But I only didn't like it knowing that he's at

698
00:29:17,914 --> 00:29:20,914
Speaker 4: a dinner party said out of like sexual attraction, only

699
00:29:20,954 --> 00:29:23,354
Speaker 4: attracted to her like three out of ten. But then

700
00:29:23,394 --> 00:29:25,714
Speaker 4: you've said you're number one, you've got rid of everyone else.

701
00:29:25,754 --> 00:29:26,954
Speaker 4: So that doesn't line up for me.

702
00:29:27,154 --> 00:29:29,394
Speaker 2: But he has to say that he's got a braid

703
00:29:29,474 --> 00:29:30,954
Speaker 2: in his head. I know that don't all have a

704
00:29:30,954 --> 00:29:32,474
Speaker 2: brain in their heads. But if he has a brain

705
00:29:32,474 --> 00:29:34,754
Speaker 2: in his head, he knew that that if he didn't

706
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:37,194
Speaker 2: do that, then it would have been over. Yeah, And

707
00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:40,714
Speaker 2: so he's just sure trying to like move through a situation.

708
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:42,834
Speaker 2: I wonder the person out the window being like, why

709
00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:45,234
Speaker 2: do all these pictures of these scared women? Just all

710
00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:46,434
Speaker 2: the other women are downstairs?

711
00:29:46,514 --> 00:29:48,274
Speaker 5: Yeah, like where's my photo down here?

712
00:29:48,634 --> 00:29:48,714
Speaker 3: No?

713
00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:49,674
Speaker 5: I do understand that.

714
00:29:49,794 --> 00:29:51,474
Speaker 4: I just think if I was her in that position,

715
00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,194
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have let that fly because I would have

716
00:29:54,234 --> 00:29:55,314
Speaker 4: already have been pissed.

717
00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:57,834
Speaker 2: Oh. I would only be really angry if I had

718
00:29:57,874 --> 00:29:59,434
Speaker 2: ranked and gone through it and they were like I'm

719
00:29:59,474 --> 00:30:02,714
Speaker 2: not doing it like through. But also we should have

720
00:30:02,794 --> 00:30:03,874
Speaker 2: concurred before this to.

721
00:30:05,154 --> 00:30:05,634
Speaker 5: I see that.

722
00:30:05,674 --> 00:30:06,274
Speaker 2: I understand.

723
00:30:06,274 --> 00:30:09,874
Speaker 4: I appreciate the sure, but I think he's got more

724
00:30:09,914 --> 00:30:10,554
Speaker 4: redeeming to do.

725
00:30:11,234 --> 00:30:14,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just don't see anything between those two.

726
00:30:14,314 --> 00:30:15,954
Speaker 2: I've got to be honest, Like, I don't know if

727
00:30:15,994 --> 00:30:18,594
Speaker 2: it's gonna but I think she likes him, do really.

728
00:30:18,754 --> 00:30:22,234
Speaker 5: She keeps like snuggling with him, but only he's like nuzzling.

729
00:30:21,834 --> 00:30:23,754
Speaker 2: And I'm only like at the dinner table right when

730
00:30:23,794 --> 00:30:25,354
Speaker 2: everyone else was looking at them, I.

731
00:30:25,314 --> 00:30:27,034
Speaker 4: Think they had a moment like on the couch and

732
00:30:27,074 --> 00:30:28,674
Speaker 4: she was like her leg was like on him. I'm like,

733
00:30:28,714 --> 00:30:31,634
Speaker 4: where does this come from? Because it doesn't feel like

734
00:30:31,714 --> 00:30:33,314
Speaker 4: it feels like it's.

735
00:30:33,154 --> 00:30:34,034
Speaker 5: Come out of nowhere.

736
00:30:34,114 --> 00:30:36,994
Speaker 4: Like she's trying to, Like I do see her trying

737
00:30:37,034 --> 00:30:39,754
Speaker 4: to like progress and get more. And anytime they're intimate together,

738
00:30:39,874 --> 00:30:42,354
Speaker 4: she raves about it and saying how great it is.

739
00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:44,874
Speaker 4: But I don't know if it's going both ways.

740
00:30:45,154 --> 00:30:48,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound like that. So we go to

741
00:30:48,634 --> 00:30:50,154
Speaker 2: our other couple that are also having a bit of

742
00:30:50,154 --> 00:30:52,674
Speaker 2: a rough time. Oh my god, Luke and mel So

743
00:30:53,474 --> 00:30:56,474
Speaker 2: she has really come across, like to the audience as

744
00:30:56,514 --> 00:31:00,074
Speaker 2: the villain. Yes, people are really disliking her. People are

745
00:31:00,074 --> 00:31:02,474
Speaker 2: calling for him to be like saved from her, get

746
00:31:02,554 --> 00:31:05,594
Speaker 2: him out of there. And yeah, literally, I've seen like

747
00:31:05,754 --> 00:31:07,514
Speaker 2: so many tiktoks of people being like, we need to

748
00:31:07,514 --> 00:31:09,434
Speaker 2: get that man out of here, we need to look

749
00:31:09,474 --> 00:31:12,594
Speaker 2: after him. He's been put in a terrible situation. It's

750
00:31:12,594 --> 00:31:15,634
Speaker 2: really interesting because mostly I know there's obviously been like

751
00:31:15,754 --> 00:31:18,234
Speaker 2: villains to women on the show and men who are heroes,

752
00:31:18,554 --> 00:31:21,354
Speaker 2: but it's kind of interesting because I've never seen people

753
00:31:21,394 --> 00:31:23,954
Speaker 2: like kind of rally around on the contestants like that.

754
00:31:24,114 --> 00:31:24,514
Speaker 5: Totally.

755
00:31:24,554 --> 00:31:27,074
Speaker 4: I think he's definitely coming across as such a sweetie and.

756
00:31:27,074 --> 00:31:27,594
Speaker 5: A nice guy.

757
00:31:27,674 --> 00:31:30,394
Speaker 4: Like I was watching and I was like, someone save Luke,

758
00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:33,194
Speaker 4: or actually, don't save him, just wait and I'll find

759
00:31:33,234 --> 00:31:33,874
Speaker 4: you after Luke.

760
00:31:33,954 --> 00:31:37,634
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh we have a little queer Luke Dewey, but no,

761
00:31:37,794 --> 00:31:39,754
Speaker 2: you and everyone else everyone's got a crush on him.

762
00:31:39,874 --> 00:31:43,074
Speaker 4: But I think, what are we not seeing now, because

763
00:31:43,194 --> 00:31:45,554
Speaker 4: I just think it's easy to look at Mel and

764
00:31:45,594 --> 00:31:48,234
Speaker 4: be like you're being so cold, you're giving nothing, Like

765
00:31:48,274 --> 00:31:50,514
Speaker 4: we see a lot of Luke kind of reaching out,

766
00:31:50,594 --> 00:31:52,954
Speaker 4: trying to be open, and then Mel just shutting it down.

767
00:31:53,194 --> 00:31:55,634
Speaker 5: But I just wonder what we're not seeing in the room,

768
00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:56,794
Speaker 5: and like why she's.

769
00:31:56,634 --> 00:31:58,794
Speaker 4: So cold, because they are like the two most awkward

770
00:31:58,794 --> 00:32:00,794
Speaker 4: people I've ever seen on a TV screen.

771
00:32:00,994 --> 00:32:03,154
Speaker 5: There are so many long, silent stairs.

772
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:06,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be so interested in what's actually happening, because

773
00:32:07,234 --> 00:32:10,394
Speaker 2: she really is being painted as this woman who like

774
00:32:10,594 --> 00:32:12,714
Speaker 2: got made toy. The old tone just will not let

775
00:32:12,794 --> 00:32:16,914
Speaker 2: it go. And yeah, the way they've been edited again,

776
00:32:16,914 --> 00:32:18,874
Speaker 2: I know that you have to put the content there

777
00:32:18,874 --> 00:32:20,274
Speaker 2: for them to get it. But again we're on seeing

778
00:32:20,314 --> 00:32:23,874
Speaker 2: such a tiny snippet of their interactions and it's just there,

779
00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:27,154
Speaker 2: I think, so deliberately making it look like long pauses.

780
00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:28,754
Speaker 2: They're making it look like she can't even string a

781
00:32:28,794 --> 00:32:29,594
Speaker 2: sentence together.

782
00:32:29,794 --> 00:32:30,794
Speaker 5: And she does acknowledge.

783
00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:33,074
Speaker 4: She does say, I know that I really left you

784
00:32:33,154 --> 00:32:36,234
Speaker 4: feeling alone in that first week. But now she's saying

785
00:32:36,314 --> 00:32:39,114
Speaker 4: he's now since they've gone to do like the home stage,

786
00:32:39,234 --> 00:32:42,274
Speaker 4: she said he was really malicious, he hates her. He's

787
00:32:42,314 --> 00:32:45,234
Speaker 4: made it an awful experience for her. So I wonder

788
00:32:45,314 --> 00:32:46,674
Speaker 4: now what we're not seeing.

789
00:32:46,554 --> 00:32:48,914
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I think that too, because now that those

790
00:32:48,914 --> 00:32:51,154
Speaker 2: first few episodes are out, and I think she's really

791
00:32:51,194 --> 00:32:54,874
Speaker 2: seen the backlash from people around her behavior. She has

792
00:32:54,914 --> 00:32:57,714
Speaker 2: set in interviews that she regrets the way she acted,

793
00:32:57,834 --> 00:32:59,594
Speaker 2: and she knows that it was difficult and it was

794
00:32:59,674 --> 00:33:02,274
Speaker 2: hard and she doesn't like seeing that. But obviously, because

795
00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:04,154
Speaker 2: we haven't got to the next stage of the episodes yet,

796
00:33:04,314 --> 00:33:07,394
Speaker 2: she's not allowed to speak on what's happened. But it's

797
00:33:07,394 --> 00:33:08,514
Speaker 2: hard not to judge.

798
00:33:08,274 --> 00:33:09,674
Speaker 4: Because I watch it and I'm like, I don't know

799
00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:11,194
Speaker 4: if I like this woman, but I know that you

800
00:33:11,354 --> 00:33:12,674
Speaker 4: were probably not seeing the whole thing.

801
00:33:12,834 --> 00:33:15,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like we came not to like her.

802
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,274
Speaker 2: There's like definitely men on that show that I've I know, well,

803
00:33:18,314 --> 00:33:20,234
Speaker 2: I think I think we're just a bit trained to

804
00:33:20,674 --> 00:33:22,794
Speaker 2: sort of be more protective towards women because we know

805
00:33:22,874 --> 00:33:24,954
Speaker 2: like how they get feel the show.

806
00:33:25,194 --> 00:33:28,074
Speaker 5: But I mean, but I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

807
00:33:28,274 --> 00:33:30,554
Speaker 2: No, you know why she does. When she's like, I

808
00:33:30,594 --> 00:33:32,234
Speaker 2: want to be treated like a princess, I was like, girl,

809
00:33:32,314 --> 00:33:35,554
Speaker 2: that's the problem. You have princess syndrome. Everyone in your

810
00:33:35,594 --> 00:33:38,394
Speaker 2: life has tree eggs. Everyone in your life has like

811
00:33:38,474 --> 00:33:40,554
Speaker 2: obviously treated you in a way that's made you feel

812
00:33:40,554 --> 00:33:42,914
Speaker 2: like it's okay to act like this. And obviously you're

813
00:33:42,914 --> 00:33:45,354
Speaker 2: an extreme situation, so you've been pushed into it more.

814
00:33:45,834 --> 00:33:48,394
Speaker 2: But it just also came across as someone who's never

815
00:33:48,434 --> 00:33:52,114
Speaker 2: had to like have a personality or like win someone over.

816
00:33:52,194 --> 00:33:54,434
Speaker 5: We see a lot of her personality at the dinner party.

817
00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:57,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, her body language completely changed and she her body

818
00:33:57,954 --> 00:34:01,474
Speaker 4: language completely changes, and she suddenly has so much time.

819
00:34:01,634 --> 00:34:03,874
Speaker 2: For all of the groups and trying accept him.

820
00:34:04,314 --> 00:34:06,954
Speaker 4: She was like happy and animated and like, we see

821
00:34:06,994 --> 00:34:09,194
Speaker 4: so much more of her there, but we never see

822
00:34:09,234 --> 00:34:10,274
Speaker 4: any of that without out.

823
00:34:10,554 --> 00:34:13,034
Speaker 2: It must be some something must be happening in those rooms.

824
00:34:13,114 --> 00:34:16,074
Speaker 2: I think if he was like being blatantly like abusive

825
00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:18,074
Speaker 2: or nasty to her, like they would film that and

826
00:34:18,114 --> 00:34:20,714
Speaker 2: show it. It just must be like some unspoken thing

827
00:34:20,754 --> 00:34:23,473
Speaker 2: in the air that has made her so that has

828
00:34:23,514 --> 00:34:26,234
Speaker 2: made her so uncomfortable that she's like retracted back into

829
00:34:26,234 --> 00:34:29,074
Speaker 2: herself and now can't break out of it, and it

830
00:34:29,194 --> 00:34:31,074
Speaker 2: is wildly uncomfortable to watch.

831
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:34,554
Speaker 5: Also, she did mention that she has stalker tendencies. I

832
00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,234
Speaker 5: think we can't open I actually love that.

833
00:34:36,274 --> 00:34:38,794
Speaker 2: I was like, thank god, finally a hint of her personality.

834
00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:41,553
Speaker 2: The woman's a stalker. It explains so much.

835
00:34:41,674 --> 00:34:43,594
Speaker 4: I'm sure some people are relating out that he's a

836
00:34:43,634 --> 00:34:45,714
Speaker 4: little concerning his face and.

837
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:47,674
Speaker 2: She's She's like, so I drove by his house and

838
00:34:47,714 --> 00:34:49,274
Speaker 2: he was there, his car was always there, and that

839
00:34:49,314 --> 00:34:51,314
Speaker 2: made me happy. And I was like, One, this woman

840
00:34:51,354 --> 00:34:52,513
Speaker 2: should probably be on a watch list.

841
00:34:52,554 --> 00:34:52,754
Speaker 5: Yeah.

842
00:34:52,754 --> 00:34:55,074
Speaker 2: Two, at least she's speaking her truth. Three that man

843
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,234
Speaker 2: is terrified, and I find that. I know he's been

844
00:34:57,234 --> 00:35:00,034
Speaker 2: through a lot, but that's like more anmazing. Yeah, at

845
00:35:00,114 --> 00:35:01,393
Speaker 2: least she's being honest about it.

846
00:35:01,554 --> 00:35:03,074
Speaker 4: You know what, I think a lot of people are

847
00:35:03,154 --> 00:35:05,033
Speaker 4: upset by this because obviously.

848
00:35:04,714 --> 00:35:07,433
Speaker 5: I don't want to encourage surveillance, and that it is.

849
00:35:07,434 --> 00:35:08,953
Speaker 2: Quite scary, some light storm.

850
00:35:09,034 --> 00:35:09,994
Speaker 5: It's quite concerning.

851
00:35:10,074 --> 00:35:11,953
Speaker 4: Like I think maybe if a man had said that,

852
00:35:12,034 --> 00:35:14,754
Speaker 4: people you know, would be very up in arms.

853
00:35:15,154 --> 00:35:16,794
Speaker 2: But I think she probably.

854
00:35:16,434 --> 00:35:18,194
Speaker 5: Meant it less like dark.

855
00:35:18,394 --> 00:35:19,993
Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't She was saying, my friends and I would

856
00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:21,634
Speaker 2: just drive past his house. I mean to be honest

857
00:35:21,634 --> 00:35:25,114
Speaker 2: with Well, it's crazy, that's fine. Just don't break and

858
00:35:25,234 --> 00:35:27,393
Speaker 2: enter and don't get caught. Girls, don't don't breaks it

859
00:35:27,434 --> 00:35:28,114
Speaker 2: in NeXT's car.

860
00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:28,514
Speaker 5: Once.

861
00:35:28,954 --> 00:35:33,314
Speaker 2: It was fine week last week, I was gonna say,

862
00:35:33,314 --> 00:35:36,714
Speaker 2: but also, chess is so expensive now, so I cheese.

863
00:35:36,754 --> 00:35:39,794
Speaker 2: Now you have to find something a bit understanding this economy.

864
00:35:39,914 --> 00:35:43,954
Speaker 2: I can't trust anyone's car. I quite appreciated her stalker

865
00:35:44,034 --> 00:35:46,473
Speaker 2: truth also when he said, like, oh my my ex

866
00:35:46,474 --> 00:35:48,754
Speaker 2: girlfriend would describe me as easy going and happy and

867
00:35:48,794 --> 00:35:50,674
Speaker 2: someone who everyone loves. And I was like, would she

868
00:35:50,674 --> 00:35:52,834
Speaker 2: would love to get her on the front. Yeah, I

869
00:35:52,874 --> 00:35:55,034
Speaker 2: think give her a call. I think she must know

870
00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:57,714
Speaker 2: what's happened to find her. Let's find need her.

871
00:35:57,834 --> 00:35:58,714
Speaker 5: I need her point of.

872
00:35:58,794 --> 00:36:01,433
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there is something like this relationship we're just

873
00:36:01,474 --> 00:36:01,914
Speaker 2: not seeing.

874
00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,634
Speaker 4: I think it's a bit off, Like I just don't

875
00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:06,274
Speaker 4: see how she could be so upset, or she.

876
00:36:06,314 --> 00:36:09,394
Speaker 2: Chose a character play. They've all in a way chosen

877
00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:11,594
Speaker 2: which part of the personality they want to lean into

878
00:36:11,674 --> 00:36:13,393
Speaker 2: in terms of having a character on the screen because

879
00:36:13,434 --> 00:36:15,154
Speaker 2: on a TV show and they have to. And I

880
00:36:15,274 --> 00:36:18,473
Speaker 2: wonder if she is thinking that she would potentially come

881
00:36:18,514 --> 00:36:21,314
Speaker 2: across a different in her edit, or maybe she's watched

882
00:36:21,354 --> 00:36:23,033
Speaker 2: a Law of Merit at First Light before and she's

883
00:36:23,034 --> 00:36:26,274
Speaker 2: sometimes seen people like rally around, like women who are

884
00:36:26,274 --> 00:36:29,674
Speaker 2: like look stick up for themselves, and maybe she thinks

885
00:36:29,714 --> 00:36:31,834
Speaker 2: he's coming across bad and the edit, and so she's

886
00:36:31,874 --> 00:36:34,714
Speaker 2: gonna look good with the way she's acting, because it's

887
00:36:34,794 --> 00:36:36,434
Speaker 2: like she had these little one line of so she's like,

888
00:36:36,474 --> 00:36:38,114
Speaker 2: you can sleep on the couch and he was like, oh,

889
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,754
Speaker 2: but it's really cold, and she's like, well, we have

890
00:36:39,794 --> 00:36:42,314
Speaker 2: a towel. I just think that that.

891
00:36:42,194 --> 00:36:43,594
Speaker 5: She's just sto funny. I do.

892
00:36:44,474 --> 00:36:48,194
Speaker 2: She's trying to be funny and she's trying to like character. Yeah.

893
00:36:48,394 --> 00:36:50,354
Speaker 2: I just think there's other women in the past who

894
00:36:50,354 --> 00:36:53,674
Speaker 2: we've like applauded for some of the behavior that she's

895
00:36:53,714 --> 00:36:56,994
Speaker 2: getting called out for. But because of the way she's

896
00:36:57,034 --> 00:36:59,114
Speaker 2: done it, the way her personalities landed.

897
00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:01,314
Speaker 4: She's just a little bit awkward. Yeah, it's just like

898
00:37:01,434 --> 00:37:03,154
Speaker 4: not landing in the same way if you deliver it a.

899
00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,594
Speaker 2: Lot, and the way it's been all edited together.

900
00:37:05,834 --> 00:37:06,993
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's another thing.

901
00:37:07,234 --> 00:37:09,794
Speaker 4: I don't know how aware they are of the characters,

902
00:37:09,834 --> 00:37:11,873
Speaker 4: because I'm sure there's so much on the cutting room floor.

903
00:37:11,994 --> 00:37:14,274
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I'm sure like there's times where they haven't

904
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:15,913
Speaker 2: just talked about reflux all.

905
00:37:15,954 --> 00:37:20,354
Speaker 4: There's time I'm hard related to that, me too, quickies

906
00:37:20,434 --> 00:37:21,034
Speaker 4: my lantern?

907
00:37:22,554 --> 00:37:25,913
Speaker 2: What's everyone using? I was like, I'm into this. It's

908
00:37:25,914 --> 00:37:28,393
Speaker 2: a very intimate thing to share with someone. So that

909
00:37:28,514 --> 00:37:30,274
Speaker 2: was being passed off as like a floor but I

910
00:37:30,274 --> 00:37:32,994
Speaker 2: was like that's probably the most real conversation they've ever hadened. No,

911
00:37:33,314 --> 00:37:34,274
Speaker 2: I loved that.

912
00:37:34,274 --> 00:37:36,474
Speaker 5: That's the most interesting coni reflux.

913
00:37:36,594 --> 00:37:38,634
Speaker 2: That's what this show is saying. I also think that

914
00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:41,794
Speaker 2: when she talks about coming in with two high expectations,

915
00:37:42,314 --> 00:37:44,634
Speaker 2: I'm torn between thinking that Mel has watched too much

916
00:37:44,674 --> 00:37:46,754
Speaker 2: merrit at First Sight or no Married at first Sight,

917
00:37:47,354 --> 00:37:49,794
Speaker 2: because she's she seems like she's very aware of like

918
00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:51,714
Speaker 2: how she wants to be portrayed. It's just landed wrong.

919
00:37:51,754 --> 00:37:53,754
Speaker 2: But at the same time, she's like, I really thought

920
00:37:53,754 --> 00:37:55,514
Speaker 2: I was going to meet my soulmate. I thought I

921
00:37:55,554 --> 00:37:57,274
Speaker 2: was going to be in love right now. I thought

922
00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:59,314
Speaker 2: my leg was gonna pop. I watched the Notebook when

923
00:37:59,354 --> 00:38:01,993
Speaker 2: I came in to prepare. I was like, why would

924
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:05,114
Speaker 2: you think the notebook would translate the moment.

925
00:38:05,234 --> 00:38:08,834
Speaker 4: I also think, knowing her personality, I'm sure producers encouraged

926
00:38:08,874 --> 00:38:09,553
Speaker 4: her down that path.

927
00:38:09,754 --> 00:38:11,034
Speaker 5: You've got the perfect guy.

928
00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:13,034
Speaker 2: For you, Yeah, you're going to be there, because we

929
00:38:13,074 --> 00:38:15,754
Speaker 2: know producers say little things on the side like don't worry,

930
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,754
Speaker 2: like you're the fairy tale one, or like don't worry,

931
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:19,834
Speaker 2: you're the girl, the chosen girl, or you're this or

932
00:38:19,834 --> 00:38:21,474
Speaker 2: you're that. It's like and how in The Bachelor and

933
00:38:21,514 --> 00:38:23,954
Speaker 2: stuff like previously they say the contestants like, don't worry

934
00:38:23,994 --> 00:38:26,114
Speaker 2: like you're the wife y, you're this, you're that, and

935
00:38:26,154 --> 00:38:28,234
Speaker 2: we know that's not always true, so I just want

936
00:38:28,274 --> 00:38:28,474
Speaker 2: I do.

937
00:38:28,554 --> 00:38:31,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what they lean into, and that's how

938
00:38:31,194 --> 00:38:33,074
Speaker 4: they believe the show will be edited.

939
00:38:33,114 --> 00:38:35,393
Speaker 2: And yeah, and they built her up knowing that she

940
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,514
Speaker 2: was one of the ones.

941
00:38:36,354 --> 00:38:38,754
Speaker 4: And then you feel more confident to lean in and

942
00:38:38,794 --> 00:38:40,634
Speaker 4: you have that trust with the production.

943
00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,474
Speaker 2: She thought she was going to be the fairy tale

944
00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:45,513
Speaker 2: and then she wasn't. And then they also she's also

945
00:38:45,554 --> 00:38:47,873
Speaker 2: the only bride who really got tortured on her wedding day,

946
00:38:48,234 --> 00:38:51,554
Speaker 2: and so really and so no, I know, but I

947
00:38:51,634 --> 00:38:54,234
Speaker 2: also think that like if you've been set up thinking

948
00:38:54,274 --> 00:38:55,913
Speaker 2: that you were the one coming on the show who

949
00:38:55,954 --> 00:38:57,913
Speaker 2: was going to be the success story and then they

950
00:38:58,234 --> 00:39:01,034
Speaker 2: purposely made the groomily, which we know they did, and

951
00:39:01,074 --> 00:39:02,754
Speaker 2: then made you stand up in the sun in front

952
00:39:02,754 --> 00:39:05,993
Speaker 2: of everyone for hours waiting for him when you were

953
00:39:05,994 --> 00:39:07,554
Speaker 2: told it was going to be the no book, it's

954
00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:10,594
Speaker 2: a traumatic efvent, which again, nothing's ever gonna be the notebook. No,

955
00:39:10,794 --> 00:39:12,634
Speaker 2: But that's the wrong mindset to come in with.

956
00:39:12,954 --> 00:39:14,714
Speaker 5: It's not really the mindset you should go into math.

957
00:39:14,994 --> 00:39:17,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, how much longer? Since she said there are

958
00:39:17,674 --> 00:39:21,314
Speaker 2: no green flags about him in that final episode.

959
00:39:20,754 --> 00:39:22,274
Speaker 5: I think there are green flags.

960
00:39:22,514 --> 00:39:25,953
Speaker 4: There's no green flags is like a big call to make,

961
00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:27,473
Speaker 4: but there was plenty of red Again.

962
00:39:27,514 --> 00:39:29,994
Speaker 2: I think something bigger has happened or something. Obviously she

963
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,994
Speaker 2: didn't like him, his sisters saying mean stuff about her

964
00:39:32,994 --> 00:39:34,314
Speaker 2: own socials and so fair.

965
00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think his sisters have been quite vocal

966
00:39:37,194 --> 00:39:39,554
Speaker 4: even since the show has been landing, and they've been

967
00:39:39,554 --> 00:39:41,953
Speaker 4: talking about what's being edited, what you're not seeing.

968
00:39:41,794 --> 00:39:43,994
Speaker 2: But they have the sisters given any explanation of what

969
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:46,473
Speaker 2: we're not seeing that would change how we think about

970
00:39:46,514 --> 00:39:49,993
Speaker 2: these people. No shall be as see Yeah, okay, good

971
00:39:49,994 --> 00:39:51,674
Speaker 2: to know. Well, I'm gonna just you know, got in

972
00:39:51,754 --> 00:39:53,274
Speaker 2: a limon say. I don't think those two will stick

973
00:39:53,314 --> 00:39:53,953
Speaker 2: around for long.

974
00:39:54,034 --> 00:39:57,154
Speaker 5: No, so, but maybe he'll be single when he comes out.

975
00:39:58,034 --> 00:40:00,834
Speaker 2: Or you would love that? Yeah? Yeah, so well, Luke,

976
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:02,674
Speaker 2: if you're out there, Tina would love to would you

977
00:40:02,714 --> 00:40:03,553
Speaker 2: love to visit the farm?

978
00:40:03,674 --> 00:40:05,513
Speaker 5: I don't know if I have a farm girl though. Yeah,

979
00:40:05,514 --> 00:40:06,314
Speaker 5: we're gonna change them.

980
00:40:06,354 --> 00:40:07,594
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you can be a we can think if

981
00:40:07,594 --> 00:40:12,473
Speaker 2: you're like on a hook up. Yeah sounds lovely. Well,

982
00:40:12,474 --> 00:40:14,514
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983
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00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:18,834
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