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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waders

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Bretney and I'm Cassini le Kidd And coming up on

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Speaker 1: the show today, Sidney Sweeney is in the headlines yet again,

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Speaker 1: this time for her new movie tanking disastrously at the

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Speaker 1: box office. But there's a much bigger story here that

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into. Plus, Megan Markle has a

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Speaker 1: shining new job and a shiny new project coming out

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Speaker 1: soon with Netflix, and of course there's a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of drama surrounding that. So we're going to get into it.

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Speaker 1: But first a bit closer to home.

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Speaker 2: We've got some Golden Batch news, and it's kind of

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Speaker 2: a little bit contentious because there have been some reports

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Speaker 2: that Bear has ended up on a very popular Facebook group.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is all happening in the last week, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we're in the last week of the Golden Batch. Lie,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it just started. I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: I know everybody loves it. You know, we're down to

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Speaker 2: our final two ladies and everyone's very excited about it.

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Speaker 2: But this lacious bit of news is what really hooked

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Speaker 2: me in. Now there is a Facebook group called sis

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Speaker 2: Is This Your Man?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm not in this Facebook group, but I

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Speaker 1: know so many women who check it religiously, who participate

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Speaker 2: I was talking to one of the girls in the

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Speaker 2: helpful dating assistants in my life because when I'm dating

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Speaker 2: someone new, I just searched their name in this group

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Speaker 2: Apparently Bear has ended up in this group, and I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen it directly, but because this particular group is private,

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Speaker 2: the comments of this, they were saying that Bear was

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Speaker 1: And been like a richy area in Sydney, right, yes't know,

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Speaker 2: quite affluent, and I'm interested that people are now picking

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Speaker 2: up on this kind of player vibe. If you lose

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're an ass all the time. Just

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Speaker 2: because you're bad in one scenario doesn't mean that you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think I would need a little bit

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Speaker 1: to sit down with these women, like over a glass

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Speaker 1: But we just don't have any information like that. But

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Speaker 1: I also think this is kind of how most reality

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Speaker 1: TV shows go, is that we get presented with these

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Speaker 1: they're always presented to us as very like cookie cutter,

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Speaker 1: But also he might be a dirty dog and maybe

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Speaker 2: But people loving this so much. And there were some

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Speaker 2: rumors obviously that Sam Armitage and him were dating, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been interesting. I mean that Sam Armitage and

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Speaker 2: He's coming off a plane like with you know, eaty

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Speaker 2: But what I have loved is people talking about doing

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Speaker 2: a Golden Bachelorette. So people have loved this iteration of

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Speaker 1: And she's just yeah, she's like really lights at the screen.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting because I wanted to play

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Speaker 1: Are you a feminist?

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Speaker 2: Am I a feminist?

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Speaker 1: The fact that he answered so confidently.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like that tell us a lot about

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Speaker 1: For God, to be a feminist, well, do you know

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Speaker 2: No? Not really. Look, I come from a family of

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you mean.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist.

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Speaker 3: Everyone should be feminist because it just means that you

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Speaker 3: believe that all people are equal, yes, including men and women.

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Speaker 2: I of course, yes, I'm a feminist too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're not knowing what feminism is. Definitely could be

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Speaker 2: To my mum, what do you think of that he

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that he sort of says at

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being really really apologizing for him,

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Speaker 2: associated with that sort of seventies feminism where they're burning

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Speaker 2: think that's probably what he understood by Yeah exactly. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what a feminist Again, I think much like I

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Speaker 1: I think it's a bigger conversation. But I think he

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Speaker 2: you roll your eyes at them, like I heard many

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yes, we can.

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Speaker 2: We'll correct him sometime and tell him what femininistic is.

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Speaker 1: So we have two bits of news for Megan Markll

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Speaker 1: this way. Well, two bits of Korean news, because she's

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Speaker 1: So the first bit of news is that her Netflix

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Speaker 1: holiday special officially has a release date. So With Love

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Speaker 1: Megan Holiday Celebration. I mean, I guess the title kind

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Speaker 1: of speaks for itself, but I feel like no one

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Speaker 1: There is going to arrive on December third, and it

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Speaker 1: came out.

433
00:17:50,984 --> 00:17:54,104
Speaker 2: So Harry and Meghan were actually at that baby too.

434
00:17:54,184 --> 00:17:55,864
Speaker 2: Baby gar like earlier on in the.

435
00:17:55,824 --> 00:17:58,664
Speaker 1: EPI, situation has really thrown me because I know this

436
00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:00,624
Speaker 1: is a weird thing to be concerned about. But Paris

437
00:18:00,664 --> 00:18:05,744
Speaker 1: Hilton was wearing this really statement dress, like sequinned long gown,

438
00:18:06,344 --> 00:18:09,864
Speaker 1: dripping in sparkles a cape. And then there's photos of

439
00:18:09,864 --> 00:18:11,464
Speaker 1: her at the baby to Baby event, and then as

440
00:18:11,464 --> 00:18:14,104
Speaker 1: photos of her at Christiana's birthday, and a lot of

441
00:18:14,144 --> 00:18:17,344
Speaker 1: celebs went to both. Yes, if indeed they were the

442
00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:20,104
Speaker 1: same event, I've heard her sort of conflicting reports, but

443
00:18:20,184 --> 00:18:22,064
Speaker 1: Paris Sultan's the only one who wore the same dress

444
00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:24,064
Speaker 1: and such a statement dress. Nothing wrong with that, but

445
00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:29,024
Speaker 1: it just, I don't know, it was confusing the reporting.

446
00:18:29,064 --> 00:18:30,864
Speaker 1: I was like, what's happening here? Like I expect these

447
00:18:30,864 --> 00:18:33,344
Speaker 1: publications to get to the bottom of what's happening. Also

448
00:18:33,464 --> 00:18:35,664
Speaker 1: weird that the Kadashians would have an event on the

449
00:18:35,704 --> 00:18:37,904
Speaker 1: same night as the Baby the Baby Gala, because they've

450
00:18:37,904 --> 00:18:40,824
Speaker 1: traditionally always gone to that. It's a huge organization that

451
00:18:40,864 --> 00:18:44,504
Speaker 1: every famous woman in Hollywood is really public about, and

452
00:18:44,584 --> 00:18:47,304
Speaker 1: Kim usually makes some of the biggest donations of the night,

453
00:18:47,424 --> 00:18:50,424
Speaker 1: according to Mindy Kayaling. So weird that they would throw

454
00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:52,664
Speaker 1: her birthday party on the same night as an event

455
00:18:52,704 --> 00:18:53,624
Speaker 1: that everyone goes to.

456
00:18:53,864 --> 00:18:56,344
Speaker 2: They need like a social diary thing where they can

457
00:18:56,504 --> 00:18:59,064
Speaker 2: say that there's a conflicting event. But I saw Serena

458
00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:00,944
Speaker 2: Williams was at Baby Baby Gyla, and we saw the

459
00:19:00,944 --> 00:19:04,344
Speaker 2: photos of Harry and Meghan and Serena altogether, and then

460
00:19:04,664 --> 00:19:07,224
Speaker 2: they were then at the birthday party. So maybe the

461
00:19:07,264 --> 00:19:10,624
Speaker 2: birthday party didn't start to like ten after the gala finish.

462
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Speaker 1: I don't want to throw shade at anyone at any age,

463
00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,424
Speaker 1: but I don't know for sevn years the starting at ten.

464
00:19:14,864 --> 00:19:17,424
Speaker 2: In Hollywood, even what else they've got going on there.

465
00:19:17,664 --> 00:19:19,624
Speaker 1: Kim Dardashian say she goes to bed at like eight o'clock.

466
00:19:19,664 --> 00:19:20,544
Speaker 1: I just don't know about that.

467
00:19:20,624 --> 00:19:22,904
Speaker 2: Chris Jenna's plastic surgeon was there.

468
00:19:23,024 --> 00:19:26,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously she's been seeing that man's praises from the rooftops.

469
00:19:26,344 --> 00:19:28,824
Speaker 1: There's even a secret password, because after she came out

470
00:19:28,864 --> 00:19:30,704
Speaker 1: and said, this is the facelift I got done, this

471
00:19:30,744 --> 00:19:32,664
Speaker 1: is the procedure, and this is the doctor who did it.

472
00:19:32,864 --> 00:19:36,064
Speaker 1: Apparently so many just random people called the office and said,

473
00:19:36,064 --> 00:19:38,544
Speaker 1: I'm a friend of Christianna, and she recommended me to

474
00:19:38,584 --> 00:19:41,864
Speaker 1: the point where Christiana had to give this doctor a

475
00:19:41,944 --> 00:19:44,504
Speaker 1: password where She's like, if any of my real friends

476
00:19:44,544 --> 00:19:46,784
Speaker 1: call up with a referral from me, they'll say this

477
00:19:46,944 --> 00:19:49,384
Speaker 1: secret code, and that's when you can treat them. So

478
00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:50,864
Speaker 1: no one else can get it unless you have the

479
00:19:50,904 --> 00:19:51,504
Speaker 1: secret code.

480
00:19:51,504 --> 00:19:52,824
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want the secret code.

481
00:19:52,864 --> 00:19:54,824
Speaker 1: I know why you want to get a Christiana facelift.

482
00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:57,424
Speaker 1: Not now, but I'm on stage. I take it now.

483
00:19:57,464 --> 00:20:00,664
Speaker 1: He gave it to me. Now I'll be like for later. Yeah. Well,

484
00:20:00,664 --> 00:20:02,144
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get that information, but I'll

485
00:20:02,144 --> 00:20:02,624
Speaker 1: work on it.

486
00:20:03,104 --> 00:20:06,104
Speaker 2: We need to start like deep diving. Can you use

487
00:20:06,144 --> 00:20:07,624
Speaker 2: your journalistic.

488
00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:10,264
Speaker 1: Oh, use my minute interaction I had with Kim Kardashi

489
00:20:10,424 --> 00:20:12,904
Speaker 1: and over at Zoom to get that information.

490
00:20:13,184 --> 00:20:14,944
Speaker 2: I love that, But the reason Megan and Harry were

491
00:20:14,984 --> 00:20:16,704
Speaker 2: getting a little bit of flat for being at this

492
00:20:16,784 --> 00:20:20,264
Speaker 2: particular birthday party. Apparently there was a palace insider that

493
00:20:20,264 --> 00:20:23,424
Speaker 2: said that this was very tacky. Yes, the reason being

494
00:20:24,104 --> 00:20:26,464
Speaker 2: the event took place over the week in which coincided

495
00:20:26,504 --> 00:20:29,664
Speaker 2: with Remembrance Day. Remembrance Day is obviously honoring those who

496
00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:32,504
Speaker 2: have died in service, and this is particularly important because

497
00:20:32,504 --> 00:20:35,224
Speaker 2: it was the eightieth anniversary at the end of World

498
00:20:35,264 --> 00:20:37,424
Speaker 2: War II, and people are saying that it was tacky

499
00:20:37,464 --> 00:20:39,784
Speaker 2: that he was at this birthday party, whilst you know,

500
00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:44,224
Speaker 2: we've got his brother and father, the King doing these

501
00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:48,984
Speaker 2: memorial services and Princess Anne is here in Australia commemorating here.

502
00:20:49,384 --> 00:20:52,464
Speaker 2: It's a very important day. And I think Harry understands

503
00:20:52,464 --> 00:20:55,824
Speaker 2: the gravity of this because he has served, yes, two

504
00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:59,464
Speaker 2: tours in Afghanistan. He understands the gravity of military service.

505
00:20:59,544 --> 00:21:02,064
Speaker 1: Yes, and he has a whole foundation for service people

506
00:21:02,064 --> 00:21:03,544
Speaker 1: who were injured in the line of duty.

507
00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:06,144
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so, I don't think that that's a very

508
00:21:06,184 --> 00:21:08,584
Speaker 2: fair assumption to make this is tacky for him to

509
00:21:08,624 --> 00:21:11,304
Speaker 2: be attending his birthday. He underst stands the gravity of

510
00:21:11,344 --> 00:21:11,744
Speaker 2: this step.

511
00:21:11,864 --> 00:21:14,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's really the story that's been

512
00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:16,344
Speaker 1: put out into the media and into the world, and

513
00:21:16,664 --> 00:21:18,184
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to kind of assument it's coming

514
00:21:18,224 --> 00:21:19,944
Speaker 1: from the Royal family, least for the Office of the

515
00:21:20,024 --> 00:21:24,104
Speaker 1: Royal Family, because we keep seeing these two different storylines

516
00:21:24,144 --> 00:21:26,904
Speaker 1: playing out the same time. One is Harry and Meghan

517
00:21:26,984 --> 00:21:30,224
Speaker 1: pictured at all these very lux Hollywood events, going to

518
00:21:30,304 --> 00:21:34,984
Speaker 1: Christiana's seventieth birthday partying with celebs, being spotted with Jeff Bezos,

519
00:21:35,264 --> 00:21:38,064
Speaker 1: her being on sets of movies them like showing little

520
00:21:38,064 --> 00:21:41,144
Speaker 1: snippets of their crazy rich home and all these things.

521
00:21:41,184 --> 00:21:43,344
Speaker 1: And then we're seeing these photos of Kate and William,

522
00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:45,464
Speaker 1: because it always comes back to these two couples of

523
00:21:45,544 --> 00:21:48,144
Speaker 1: what they're both doing, and this idea that William is

524
00:21:48,184 --> 00:21:50,744
Speaker 1: really pushing for the monarchy to be very stripped back,

525
00:21:50,984 --> 00:21:53,504
Speaker 1: to be very like aware of service. People are saying

526
00:21:53,544 --> 00:21:56,144
Speaker 1: that he was the one who really pushed for Prince

527
00:21:56,184 --> 00:21:58,344
Speaker 1: Andrew to have his title stripped and for him not

528
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,904
Speaker 1: to be involved with the Royal family. He's the one

529
00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:03,624
Speaker 1: pushing for them to sort of not appear as like

530
00:22:04,104 --> 00:22:07,144
Speaker 1: as this indulgent luxury thing of like we're here just

531
00:22:07,184 --> 00:22:10,144
Speaker 1: to serve the people. He's also given a new interview

532
00:22:10,144 --> 00:22:13,544
Speaker 1: this week about like talking about Kate's cancer diagnosis and

533
00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:15,184
Speaker 1: how that affected them as a family and how that

534
00:22:15,224 --> 00:22:18,264
Speaker 1: affected their children. And so there's two big narratives that

535
00:22:18,264 --> 00:22:20,944
Speaker 1: we're seeing come out as like Megan and Harry drinking

536
00:22:20,984 --> 00:22:24,344
Speaker 1: with like rich people and being like really scandalous, and

537
00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:26,904
Speaker 1: then Kate and William in these very solemn photos just

538
00:22:26,944 --> 00:22:29,344
Speaker 1: trying to get through this health battle, trying to serve,

539
00:22:29,744 --> 00:22:32,024
Speaker 1: you know, in the Queen's name and the Commonwealth and everything.

540
00:22:32,064 --> 00:22:34,384
Speaker 1: And I just don't think it's that sort of clear card.

541
00:22:34,424 --> 00:22:35,624
Speaker 1: But it's a very strong narrative.

542
00:22:35,784 --> 00:22:38,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very strong, and it's so easy to

543
00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:42,264
Speaker 2: see that because that one percent that we see were

544
00:22:42,304 --> 00:22:45,464
Speaker 2: all at Jeff Bezos's mansion is all the richest of

545
00:22:45,504 --> 00:22:49,664
Speaker 2: the rich, and characteristically the Royal family are the original

546
00:22:49,704 --> 00:22:53,504
Speaker 2: one percent, you could say. So he's thrown out his title,

547
00:22:53,944 --> 00:22:57,024
Speaker 2: unquite thrown out his title, left the royal family to

548
00:22:57,144 --> 00:23:00,304
Speaker 2: join this other royal family. I don't think it's a

549
00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:04,944
Speaker 2: particularly fair assessment. I've seen how much work Harry puts

550
00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:08,344
Speaker 2: into being a service member. It wasn't performative. That was

551
00:23:08,424 --> 00:23:11,824
Speaker 2: a really important part of his life done that as

552
00:23:11,864 --> 00:23:13,984
Speaker 2: he's grown up in you know, all of his charities

553
00:23:13,984 --> 00:23:14,584
Speaker 2: that he works with.

554
00:23:14,904 --> 00:23:16,224
Speaker 1: But you're right, it is a.

555
00:23:16,224 --> 00:23:19,784
Speaker 2: Very very strong narrative and it's so polarizing when you

556
00:23:19,784 --> 00:23:24,024
Speaker 2: see the images from both of these events. It feels

557
00:23:24,064 --> 00:23:24,944
Speaker 2: a bit unfair to me.

558
00:23:25,104 --> 00:23:27,664
Speaker 1: I mean that's always been the narrative since Meghan married

559
00:23:27,664 --> 00:23:30,264
Speaker 1: into this family, of this whole kind of these jewel storylines.

560
00:23:30,304 --> 00:23:31,664
Speaker 1: So it's not really anything new, but I think it

561
00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,384
Speaker 1: continues to be the real talking point. But look, we've

562
00:23:35,384 --> 00:23:37,744
Speaker 1: got two now Meghan Markel projects look forward to. I've

563
00:23:37,744 --> 00:23:39,864
Speaker 1: got her Christmas Special, which obviously will be tuning into

564
00:23:39,944 --> 00:23:43,424
Speaker 1: as previously discussed, and her acting return. You know, it's

565
00:23:43,424 --> 00:23:45,024
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the same thing as we're saying now,

566
00:23:45,064 --> 00:23:47,344
Speaker 1: a lot of fandom, but also a lot of negative headlines,

567
00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:50,864
Speaker 1: just like everything else she does. So we've had a

568
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,904
Speaker 1: lot of Sydney Sweeney stories in the headlines recently, which

569
00:23:53,904 --> 00:23:55,904
Speaker 1: again is pretty much part of the course for this

570
00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:59,744
Speaker 1: blonde woman and her big boobs. But it's all, yeah,

571
00:23:59,784 --> 00:24:01,944
Speaker 1: they're so great. Just a quick defense of the boob

572
00:24:02,024 --> 00:24:04,104
Speaker 1: dress she wore the other day. Can I just say

573
00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:06,464
Speaker 1: if that woman had a flat chest, no one would

574
00:24:06,464 --> 00:24:08,224
Speaker 1: have blinked and I and women wear naked dresses all

575
00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:11,784
Speaker 1: the time. Big boobs, so maybe that's just a personal who.

576
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,304
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you really pisses me off.

577
00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:16,784
Speaker 1: I questioned in real time as people reacted to that photo.

578
00:24:16,944 --> 00:24:19,024
Speaker 1: Some of people around me those photoshops are one's like, oh,

579
00:24:19,104 --> 00:24:20,984
Speaker 1: what is she doing? And as a fellow woman with

580
00:24:20,984 --> 00:24:23,224
Speaker 1: big boobs, obviously mine are three times the size of hers.

581
00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:25,824
Speaker 1: But this idea that like you're just putting them out

582
00:24:25,864 --> 00:24:27,664
Speaker 1: there trying to make a statement, It's like they're there,

583
00:24:28,064 --> 00:24:30,584
Speaker 1: they come everywhere with you. They're like two roommates who

584
00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:33,144
Speaker 1: come along for the ride, so you can't hide them away.

585
00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:35,704
Speaker 2: I am so with you again. I am a large

586
00:24:35,744 --> 00:24:38,904
Speaker 2: breasted woman, and I really emphasize with it because I

587
00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:40,784
Speaker 2: remember when I would wear things and your boobs move

588
00:24:40,824 --> 00:24:43,904
Speaker 2: when you walk, let alone run, Like if you're running

589
00:24:43,904 --> 00:24:46,824
Speaker 2: without the proper protection, those things are going to be

590
00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:47,784
Speaker 2: whacking you in the fact.

591
00:24:47,864 --> 00:24:49,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So this idea that she was being like

592
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,664
Speaker 1: so over the top and putting her boobs out, I'm

593
00:24:51,864 --> 00:24:53,704
Speaker 1: just saying again, if it was a flat chested woman,

594
00:24:53,744 --> 00:24:54,944
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have been a story. It would have been

595
00:24:54,984 --> 00:24:58,904
Speaker 1: another naked dress. Anyway, she does have really nice boobs. Yes,

596
00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:01,024
Speaker 1: she does have nice boobs, and I think they should

597
00:25:01,024 --> 00:25:03,864
Speaker 1: just be allowed to be out in the worlding like

598
00:25:03,864 --> 00:25:04,464
Speaker 1: the nipples.

599
00:25:04,464 --> 00:25:05,624
Speaker 2: Why are you covering the nipples?

600
00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:08,024
Speaker 1: Spin photos? Lot of the issues with Sydney swinging her

601
00:25:08,024 --> 00:25:09,824
Speaker 1: boobs and not one of them okay anyway, So all

602
00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:11,624
Speaker 1: of this press she's been doing lately, and all the

603
00:25:11,624 --> 00:25:14,304
Speaker 1: headlines have come from her new movie, Christy, which is

604
00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:17,064
Speaker 1: the story based of Christy Martin, the real life boxer,

605
00:25:17,544 --> 00:25:19,664
Speaker 1: and there's been a big build up to it because

606
00:25:19,864 --> 00:25:21,544
Speaker 1: there was those photos that came out when she was

607
00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:24,144
Speaker 1: training for the role and she got really muscly, and

608
00:25:24,264 --> 00:25:26,384
Speaker 1: these pat photos were taken of hers. I think someone

609
00:25:26,504 --> 00:25:28,264
Speaker 1: drove a boat past her home because she lives on

610
00:25:28,344 --> 00:25:30,664
Speaker 1: the water with a long lens and took photos and

611
00:25:30,744 --> 00:25:32,464
Speaker 1: she had to come out and say it's for a

612
00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:33,904
Speaker 1: role and I won't be shamed for it. So that

613
00:25:33,944 --> 00:25:35,984
Speaker 1: was the whole big thing. She's been doing so much press.

614
00:25:36,344 --> 00:25:39,344
Speaker 1: So the movie has come out and it hasn't performed

615
00:25:39,344 --> 00:25:41,784
Speaker 1: well at the box office. There's no way to say it.

616
00:25:42,024 --> 00:25:45,144
Speaker 1: Apparently it's among the top twelve worst openings for a

617
00:25:45,184 --> 00:25:47,984
Speaker 1: new release movie. For the number of screens it played on,

618
00:25:48,344 --> 00:25:51,544
Speaker 1: and that list also took into account movies that opened

619
00:25:51,704 --> 00:25:54,424
Speaker 1: just after COVID and also re released titles. So that

620
00:25:54,544 --> 00:25:57,064
Speaker 1: is how low it's performed, you know, even times where

621
00:25:57,064 --> 00:25:58,304
Speaker 1: people weren't going to the movies.

622
00:25:58,504 --> 00:26:01,904
Speaker 2: One point three million dollars in the opening weekend, Yeah,

623
00:26:01,944 --> 00:26:04,984
Speaker 2: which is probably how much she got paid for the role.

624
00:26:05,144 --> 00:26:09,784
Speaker 2: Like it is low for ye a massive blockbuster movie

625
00:26:09,904 --> 00:26:12,264
Speaker 2: life that's a biopic movie.

626
00:26:12,344 --> 00:26:14,664
Speaker 1: Yes, it's indie movie. I mean, the thing is, we

627
00:26:14,704 --> 00:26:17,664
Speaker 1: saw a similar story when her last movie, Americana came out,

628
00:26:17,664 --> 00:26:19,984
Speaker 1: and that also performed very low at the box office.

629
00:26:20,064 --> 00:26:22,584
Speaker 1: But the actual story there was it didn't perform that

630
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,504
Speaker 1: low when you took into account it was a tiny

631
00:26:24,544 --> 00:26:27,704
Speaker 1: indie movie, smaller release. It's just because when Sidney Sweeney's

632
00:26:27,744 --> 00:26:30,224
Speaker 1: name is on it, people are expecting these big, like

633
00:26:30,264 --> 00:26:33,464
Speaker 1: anyone but you box office franchisey things, when a lot

634
00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,864
Speaker 1: of these movies that she's making through her production company

635
00:26:36,064 --> 00:26:38,544
Speaker 1: are quite small. But I think this was even lower

636
00:26:38,624 --> 00:26:42,144
Speaker 1: than her company expected, to the point where she put

637
00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:44,904
Speaker 1: out a statement on her socials where she very much

638
00:26:44,944 --> 00:26:47,304
Speaker 1: defended the movie. So she had a whole big carousel

639
00:26:47,304 --> 00:26:49,824
Speaker 1: of photos of behind the scene shots from making it,

640
00:26:50,064 --> 00:26:52,584
Speaker 1: and she said, I am so deeply proud of this movie.

641
00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:54,504
Speaker 1: I am proud of this film and the story we

642
00:26:54,624 --> 00:26:57,064
Speaker 1: told and has been one of the greatest honors of

643
00:26:57,064 --> 00:26:58,944
Speaker 1: my life. And she then wanted to talk about what

644
00:26:58,984 --> 00:27:02,584
Speaker 1: the film stands for survival, courage, and hope, and also

645
00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:05,344
Speaker 1: she said that they ran a campaign to help raise

646
00:27:05,384 --> 00:27:08,104
Speaker 1: money and awareness for domestic violence while making the movie,

647
00:27:08,144 --> 00:27:10,784
Speaker 1: because that's a huge part of Christie's story that they

648
00:27:10,904 --> 00:27:13,264
Speaker 1: really devote a lot of time to in the movie.

649
00:27:13,424 --> 00:27:15,544
Speaker 1: And she said that she's hoping that the work they've

650
00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:18,504
Speaker 1: done could save lives. So she said, so yes, I'm proud.

651
00:27:18,544 --> 00:27:20,744
Speaker 1: So she's obviously aware of all the stories around there

652
00:27:20,744 --> 00:27:24,104
Speaker 1: about Sidney Swinney movies flocked in all those headlines, So

653
00:27:24,104 --> 00:27:26,704
Speaker 1: she ended by saying, so yes, I'm proud. Why because

654
00:27:26,704 --> 00:27:29,224
Speaker 1: we don't always just make art for numbers. We make

655
00:27:29,224 --> 00:27:31,984
Speaker 1: it for impact, and Christy has been the most impactful

656
00:27:32,024 --> 00:27:33,224
Speaker 1: project of my life.

657
00:27:33,304 --> 00:27:35,584
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that she's saying a lot about sort

658
00:27:35,584 --> 00:27:38,904
Speaker 2: of domestic violence and really hearing that as part of

659
00:27:39,144 --> 00:27:41,984
Speaker 2: a core of the story. I appreciate that she's doing

660
00:27:41,984 --> 00:27:44,744
Speaker 2: that a lot of the backlash has come from a

661
00:27:44,744 --> 00:27:49,504
Speaker 2: particular GQ interview that she's done. It's gone completely viral

662
00:27:49,904 --> 00:27:53,584
Speaker 2: over the last few days, where she addresses the American

663
00:27:53,664 --> 00:27:58,184
Speaker 2: Eagle genes at controversy. Before we get to that, I

664
00:27:58,224 --> 00:28:00,984
Speaker 2: do want to quickly go into another quote from that

665
00:28:01,104 --> 00:28:03,544
Speaker 2: article that I haven't seen pulled out, and it really

666
00:28:03,544 --> 00:28:06,424
Speaker 2: ties back to this about the roles that she chooses

667
00:28:06,544 --> 00:28:10,304
Speaker 2: and her sexuality. She says, I've always believed that I

668
00:28:10,344 --> 00:28:12,544
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell people what to think. I'm

669
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,224
Speaker 2: just here to kind of open their eyes to different ideas.

670
00:28:15,504 --> 00:28:17,824
Speaker 2: That's why I gravitate towards characters and stories that are

671
00:28:17,824 --> 00:28:21,984
Speaker 2: complicated and I'm maybe morally questionable, and characters that are

672
00:28:22,424 --> 00:28:24,904
Speaker 2: on the page hard to like, but then you find

673
00:28:24,904 --> 00:28:29,504
Speaker 2: the humanity underneath them. There is something about that quote,

674
00:28:29,544 --> 00:28:31,744
Speaker 2: because if you think about Cassie from your four hour

675
00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:35,624
Speaker 2: not a very likable character, like her behavior is very

676
00:28:35,704 --> 00:28:38,024
Speaker 2: questionable in you four our and then you look at

677
00:28:38,024 --> 00:28:39,904
Speaker 2: some of the other things that she's done in her

678
00:28:39,904 --> 00:28:43,384
Speaker 2: life and this particular role that she's played, this Christie

679
00:28:43,464 --> 00:28:45,784
Speaker 2: role where she had to gain what ten kilos, twelve

680
00:28:45,864 --> 00:28:48,384
Speaker 2: kilos or whatever it was, and you know she's playing

681
00:28:48,384 --> 00:28:51,104
Speaker 2: this boxer, this hardcore boxer. I feel like we get

682
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:53,104
Speaker 2: a lot of insight into who she is as a

683
00:28:53,104 --> 00:28:55,784
Speaker 2: person from that particular quote. But that's not the thing

684
00:28:55,784 --> 00:28:58,344
Speaker 2: that people have taken out of this now. What they've

685
00:28:58,384 --> 00:29:01,784
Speaker 2: taken out of it is her response to the American

686
00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:02,704
Speaker 2: Eagle genes.

687
00:29:02,424 --> 00:29:04,784
Speaker 1: At yeah, which was like, I don't want to sit

688
00:29:04,824 --> 00:29:08,344
Speaker 1: talk another journalist. But it was a real softball question.

689
00:29:08,584 --> 00:29:11,224
Speaker 1: And the thing about Ziannee Sweeney is that it's not

690
00:29:11,264 --> 00:29:13,664
Speaker 1: even media training, Like it's media training in a way,

691
00:29:13,944 --> 00:29:17,384
Speaker 1: but she just shuts down in interviews, and she just

692
00:29:17,424 --> 00:29:20,464
Speaker 1: shuts down in a way where her whole face just

693
00:29:20,544 --> 00:29:23,064
Speaker 1: kind of goes slack, and then there's this like vacant

694
00:29:23,104 --> 00:29:24,344
Speaker 1: stare behind her eyes.

695
00:29:24,744 --> 00:29:27,824
Speaker 2: Then she'ldn see step. I don't even think it's that.

696
00:29:27,864 --> 00:29:30,584
Speaker 1: It's something different completely where she just it's like she

697
00:29:30,704 --> 00:29:34,664
Speaker 1: just mentally removes herself from the situation. And she knows

698
00:29:34,704 --> 00:29:36,904
Speaker 1: that she has the power to do that because she

699
00:29:36,904 --> 00:29:40,344
Speaker 1: obviously needs press for her movies, but she is not

700
00:29:40,504 --> 00:29:43,344
Speaker 1: as reliant on having these She has these big, talked

701
00:29:43,344 --> 00:29:46,424
Speaker 1: about moments without having to sort of give a lot

702
00:29:46,464 --> 00:29:49,544
Speaker 1: in interviews, and so she'll do an interview and she'll

703
00:29:49,584 --> 00:29:52,304
Speaker 1: just shut down. She never gives an answers. If you

704
00:29:52,344 --> 00:29:54,224
Speaker 1: watch like the full clip, she'll just sit in silence

705
00:29:54,224 --> 00:29:56,864
Speaker 1: for ages and just look off into the distance. And

706
00:29:56,944 --> 00:29:59,744
Speaker 1: she knows that there's going to be no repercussions for that,

707
00:29:59,864 --> 00:30:02,504
Speaker 1: because people aren't going to stop interviewing her. They're not

708
00:30:02,504 --> 00:30:04,544
Speaker 1: going to stop putting her magazine covers or putting her

709
00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:07,464
Speaker 1: in movies, and from that she just gets more attention

710
00:30:07,664 --> 00:30:08,624
Speaker 1: for her projects.

711
00:30:08,784 --> 00:30:12,424
Speaker 2: She doesn't care about the social you know, that social

712
00:30:12,424 --> 00:30:14,784
Speaker 2: contract that we have with people you talk to every day.

713
00:30:15,344 --> 00:30:18,064
Speaker 2: The way that she responds to this woman is very

714
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:20,984
Speaker 2: is a complete blank stage. She looks so unbothered.

715
00:30:21,104 --> 00:30:23,624
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she knows at the end of the day, like, yes,

716
00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:25,824
Speaker 1: there's a lot of negative headlines around her, but there's

717
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,464
Speaker 1: a lot of negative headlines around any woman who's in

718
00:30:28,504 --> 00:30:30,224
Speaker 1: the like, you know, there's a lot of negative headlines

719
00:30:30,264 --> 00:30:32,944
Speaker 1: around Jennifer Lawrence. People love her Heaps, people love Mega Marcle.

720
00:30:32,944 --> 00:30:35,304
Speaker 1: There's lots of negative headlines around her. That's just what

721
00:30:35,504 --> 00:30:37,944
Speaker 1: people click on. But it's interesting because she knows, at

722
00:30:37,944 --> 00:30:40,464
Speaker 1: the end of the day she's always the winner in

723
00:30:40,504 --> 00:30:42,464
Speaker 1: a way, because yes, like She got a lot of

724
00:30:42,504 --> 00:30:45,184
Speaker 1: flak for that American Eagle ad, but those genes sold out.

725
00:30:45,704 --> 00:30:48,784
Speaker 1: They sold out through every store online. For everyone who

726
00:30:48,864 --> 00:30:51,584
Speaker 1: was calling her out for how problematic that was, there

727
00:30:51,624 --> 00:30:54,344
Speaker 1: were loud of voices saying that they loved her for it.

728
00:30:54,384 --> 00:30:56,024
Speaker 1: And so at the end of the day she comes

729
00:30:56,024 --> 00:30:58,944
Speaker 1: out of winner and again, even with this movie tanking

730
00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:01,624
Speaker 1: at the box office, she'll have other movies that come

731
00:31:01,664 --> 00:31:03,824
Speaker 1: out that make a lot of money. She's also there's

732
00:31:03,824 --> 00:31:05,464
Speaker 1: been talked that she did this movie to try and

733
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:07,464
Speaker 1: get an Oscar, which I do believe is a little

734
00:31:07,464 --> 00:31:10,304
Speaker 1: bit true. I believe that the Oscar campaign has been seated.

735
00:31:10,424 --> 00:31:12,224
Speaker 1: I don't know with how it's performed and what the

736
00:31:12,224 --> 00:31:14,424
Speaker 1: critics have said, if it will take off, but she's

737
00:31:14,464 --> 00:31:17,024
Speaker 1: definitely gunning for an Oscar, is what I'm seeing. She's

738
00:31:17,144 --> 00:31:20,264
Speaker 1: very business minded, I think in that way because she

739
00:31:20,424 --> 00:31:22,584
Speaker 1: did Madam Webb, which was a huge flop and a

740
00:31:22,624 --> 00:31:25,824
Speaker 1: critical flop, but she sees that as a win. She's

741
00:31:25,864 --> 00:31:28,144
Speaker 1: just very business mind in this way that she sees

742
00:31:28,144 --> 00:31:29,904
Speaker 1: that as a win because she did that movie and

743
00:31:29,944 --> 00:31:32,344
Speaker 1: then she went to the same production company while filming

744
00:31:32,344 --> 00:31:35,264
Speaker 1: the movie to get immaculate made which is a project

745
00:31:35,264 --> 00:31:36,944
Speaker 1: that she had wanted to make for a long time

746
00:31:37,264 --> 00:31:39,664
Speaker 1: and leveraged her performance in Madam Webb to get the

747
00:31:39,704 --> 00:31:41,904
Speaker 1: studio to make the movie she wanted. So at the

748
00:31:41,984 --> 00:31:43,584
Speaker 1: end of the day, she was getting roasted for the

749
00:31:43,624 --> 00:31:46,304
Speaker 1: Madam Web reviews and how bad that was, but you

750
00:31:46,344 --> 00:31:48,104
Speaker 1: just look at her face and she's just smiling because

751
00:31:48,144 --> 00:31:50,024
Speaker 1: she won, because she got a movie made and it

752
00:31:50,104 --> 00:31:54,144
Speaker 1: was critically acclaimed. So it always seems like she's on

753
00:31:54,224 --> 00:31:57,104
Speaker 1: the downfall, but she's always on the uptake with everything

754
00:31:57,144 --> 00:31:57,504
Speaker 1: she does.

755
00:31:57,624 --> 00:32:01,104
Speaker 2: She is definitely got a very thick skin. I don't

756
00:32:01,144 --> 00:32:02,784
Speaker 2: know how she takes all of that because she's getting

757
00:32:02,824 --> 00:32:05,224
Speaker 2: a lot of flak for this. I just found it

758
00:32:05,264 --> 00:32:09,184
Speaker 2: really really fascinating that this particular thing has had some

759
00:32:09,304 --> 00:32:13,864
Speaker 2: responses from brutes as well. So amily Would, who was

760
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:17,624
Speaker 2: also in White Lotus different seasons, but they were both

761
00:32:17,624 --> 00:32:20,824
Speaker 2: in White Lotus. Amily Would, responded to the video with

762
00:32:20,944 --> 00:32:23,304
Speaker 2: a vomiting yeah emoji.

763
00:32:22,824 --> 00:32:25,144
Speaker 1: That's the correct response. I feel like Ami Loe would

764
00:32:25,424 --> 00:32:27,304
Speaker 1: probably didn't think that that was going to be shared

765
00:32:27,344 --> 00:32:28,744
Speaker 1: as much as it was and wouldn't go on to

766
00:32:28,744 --> 00:32:30,824
Speaker 1: make headlines. But I do think that was the correct

767
00:32:30,864 --> 00:32:33,024
Speaker 1: response for that kind of very weak answer to a

768
00:32:33,144 --> 00:32:33,904
Speaker 1: huge question.

769
00:32:34,144 --> 00:32:35,984
Speaker 2: I thought it was a massive cop out. Oh yeah,

770
00:32:36,424 --> 00:32:39,344
Speaker 2: just it was so all you have to do is

771
00:32:40,144 --> 00:32:42,504
Speaker 2: say that wasn't my intention, that's not the way that

772
00:32:42,544 --> 00:32:43,064
Speaker 2: I feel.

773
00:32:43,424 --> 00:32:45,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also just think she just doesn't feel

774
00:32:45,304 --> 00:32:46,904
Speaker 1: that way. It's interesting because I've seen a lot of

775
00:32:46,904 --> 00:32:51,064
Speaker 1: comments recently around like how Sidney Sweeney is not someone

776
00:32:51,184 --> 00:32:53,544
Speaker 1: who was meant to be famous. Like there's that tweet

777
00:32:53,584 --> 00:32:55,824
Speaker 1: going virulence on threads and stuff where someone's like, we

778
00:32:55,864 --> 00:32:58,184
Speaker 1: shouldn't be exposed to Sidney Sweeney this way. She's someone

779
00:32:58,224 --> 00:33:00,544
Speaker 1: who's meant to be like the prettiest waitress at the

780
00:33:00,544 --> 00:33:02,784
Speaker 1: waffle house or the prettiest girl who peaked in high

781
00:33:02,824 --> 00:33:05,024
Speaker 1: school or something like. They're just saying that she's kind

782
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,584
Speaker 1: of just meant to be, Like she's just a small

783
00:33:06,584 --> 00:33:09,024
Speaker 1: town girl with like weird beliefs who's been exposed to

784
00:33:09,064 --> 00:33:11,264
Speaker 1: the world. I don't completely believe that, because I actually

785
00:33:11,264 --> 00:33:13,704
Speaker 1: think she's the perfect kind of person to be famous,

786
00:33:14,264 --> 00:33:17,224
Speaker 1: because she is able to just shut down when there's

787
00:33:17,264 --> 00:33:19,744
Speaker 1: criticism and it doesn't feel like it affects her and

788
00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:22,464
Speaker 1: just washes off her back. And I mean that's from

789
00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:24,664
Speaker 1: everything we've seen from her. Obviously, we don't know for sure,

790
00:33:24,704 --> 00:33:26,304
Speaker 1: but she seems like the kind of person who is

791
00:33:26,344 --> 00:33:29,944
Speaker 1: the perfect person to be famous, because she's not crumpling

792
00:33:30,024 --> 00:33:33,464
Speaker 1: under the weight of expectation and criticism. She's just like, well,

793
00:33:33,504 --> 00:33:35,104
Speaker 1: I made my movie and I'm going to make another one,

794
00:33:35,104 --> 00:33:36,464
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna like be on my hit TV

795
00:33:36,544 --> 00:33:38,304
Speaker 1: show and I'm just going to keep going and it's fine,

796
00:33:38,304 --> 00:33:40,264
Speaker 1: and I'm going to kiss my new boyfriend on a

797
00:33:40,344 --> 00:33:42,464
Speaker 1: rock in Central Park wherever. Did you see those photos?

798
00:33:42,704 --> 00:33:42,864
Speaker 2: No?

799
00:33:43,144 --> 00:33:44,944
Speaker 1: Okay? First of all, can I just say when I'm wrong,

800
00:33:44,984 --> 00:33:47,744
Speaker 1: I'm wrong? Because when it came out there she was

801
00:33:47,784 --> 00:33:49,384
Speaker 1: potentially dating Scooter Bran.

802
00:33:49,824 --> 00:33:50,824
Speaker 2: That's why we talked about that.

803
00:33:50,984 --> 00:33:53,264
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, she's not dating Scooter Braun.

804
00:33:53,424 --> 00:33:55,664
Speaker 2: I believed it. Well, I have to go back and

805
00:33:55,664 --> 00:33:55,984
Speaker 2: listen to.

806
00:33:55,944 --> 00:33:58,624
Speaker 1: The other Yeah, I just those rooms came out when

807
00:33:58,624 --> 00:34:00,824
Speaker 1: they were spotted together at the wedding, and there was

808
00:34:00,824 --> 00:34:02,584
Speaker 1: a whole, big group of people, and it's that whole

809
00:34:02,584 --> 00:34:04,784
Speaker 1: thing where it's a big group of people, and then

810
00:34:04,824 --> 00:34:06,704
Speaker 1: we cut into two and it looks like they're on

811
00:34:06,744 --> 00:34:08,384
Speaker 1: a date. And the same thing happened with her and

812
00:34:08,464 --> 00:34:09,984
Speaker 1: Orlando like they were with a big group of people.

813
00:34:10,384 --> 00:34:12,104
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom at the wedding after he'd broken up with

814
00:34:12,184 --> 00:34:14,264
Speaker 1: Katie Perry. And if you look at the photos, looks

815
00:34:14,264 --> 00:34:15,424
Speaker 1: that they're on a date, but when you look at

816
00:34:15,424 --> 00:34:17,624
Speaker 1: the full photo, it's just a hump bunch of people

817
00:34:17,704 --> 00:34:18,224
Speaker 1: at a wedding.

818
00:34:18,384 --> 00:34:20,184
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that when we talked about that

819
00:34:20,264 --> 00:34:22,944
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos wedding that it would impact so many of

820
00:34:22,984 --> 00:34:23,944
Speaker 2: the episodes that we've done.

821
00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:26,224
Speaker 1: So it's like a butterfly flapping its wings and a

822
00:34:26,224 --> 00:34:28,144
Speaker 1: tsunami happens, and on the country like it has had

823
00:34:28,184 --> 00:34:29,664
Speaker 1: widespread it has.

824
00:34:29,744 --> 00:34:32,224
Speaker 2: Had a real ripple effect on this show.

825
00:34:32,224 --> 00:34:35,704
Speaker 1: Across the world. So Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney have

826
00:34:35,824 --> 00:34:38,784
Speaker 1: been dating. They've been photographed out together holding hands and stuff,

827
00:34:38,824 --> 00:34:42,464
Speaker 1: but nothing's sort of overly public until recently they were

828
00:34:42,464 --> 00:34:44,584
Speaker 1: walking through Central Park. They sit on top of a

829
00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:48,504
Speaker 1: big rock, like the biggest Central Park. Yeah, in the

830
00:34:48,504 --> 00:34:50,384
Speaker 1: most public place you can be, and they have a

831
00:34:50,464 --> 00:34:53,264
Speaker 1: full on makeout session. And I can only imagine from

832
00:34:53,304 --> 00:34:55,584
Speaker 1: the amount of angles and photos there are about this

833
00:34:55,984 --> 00:34:58,704
Speaker 1: that there was just a throng of bystanders or with

834
00:34:58,744 --> 00:35:01,264
Speaker 1: their cameras out just taking heaps of photos and videos

835
00:35:01,304 --> 00:35:04,784
Speaker 1: of them, and they just didn't care because the top together, Yeah.

836
00:35:04,704 --> 00:35:07,504
Speaker 2: Having a mac. I don't like that for her. I

837
00:35:07,504 --> 00:35:10,584
Speaker 2: don't it just every time when someone tells you they

838
00:35:10,584 --> 00:35:13,704
Speaker 2: are believe and I'm getting a lot of that from

839
00:35:13,744 --> 00:35:16,824
Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney. I do think she is a pretty good actress.

840
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:18,264
Speaker 2: I really liked her and New Forum. I thought she

841
00:35:18,304 --> 00:35:21,744
Speaker 2: played Cassie very very well. But watching the way that

842
00:35:21,824 --> 00:35:25,704
Speaker 2: she behaves, I just am disliking her more and more

843
00:35:25,784 --> 00:35:28,864
Speaker 2: and more. But it's interesting she's sticking up for domestic

844
00:35:28,904 --> 00:35:31,464
Speaker 2: abuse survivors in a way that was not done in

845
00:35:31,544 --> 00:35:34,224
Speaker 2: other press runs of other movies that were covering domestic violence.

846
00:35:34,544 --> 00:35:38,344
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. Again, people are complex, but just

847
00:35:38,424 --> 00:35:41,184
Speaker 2: the way that she's responded, I don't like Scooter Braun

848
00:35:41,984 --> 00:35:43,584
Speaker 2: just getting really icky vibes.

849
00:35:43,624 --> 00:35:45,424
Speaker 1: I just think that she went from being like I mean,

850
00:35:45,424 --> 00:35:47,144
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about her, her old fiance

851
00:35:47,504 --> 00:35:49,184
Speaker 1: that you know, main movies together and stuff. It just

852
00:35:49,224 --> 00:35:52,784
Speaker 1: went feels like she went from some older controlling guy

853
00:35:53,064 --> 00:35:56,064
Speaker 1: to another older controlling guy. She's saying in interviews that

854
00:35:56,064 --> 00:35:58,504
Speaker 1: she's single, but the Pride Rock photo tells us that

855
00:35:58,544 --> 00:36:01,264
Speaker 1: she's not. I also just think kind of full circle

856
00:36:01,304 --> 00:36:03,504
Speaker 1: it out is that we have been talking a lot

857
00:36:03,504 --> 00:36:06,824
Speaker 1: about how a huge kind of like dramatic moments and

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Speaker 1: like lots of headlines and things will make people want

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Speaker 1: to watch a project. And if that was Sidney Seeny's intention,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know if it was, I think her

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Speaker 1: intention was to kind I think that she thought that

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Speaker 1: people would be very invested in her body transformation and

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Speaker 1: this story and this idea that she's come from a

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Speaker 1: teen show and now she's wanting to win an oscar.

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Speaker 1: I think she thought that would kind of be the

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Speaker 1: arc for this show. But it kind of shows that

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Speaker 1: even with all the drama leading up to this movie

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Speaker 1: and the headlines and the press run and the boobs

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Speaker 1: and the rock photo and everything, that it still didn't

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Speaker 1: drive people to see the movie. So it kind of

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Speaker 1: goes to show that you can have a dramatic press

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Speaker 1: run and then it doesn't mean that people are actually

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Speaker 1: going to buy a ticket for your movie.

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