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Speaker 2: Hey Quickie friends, Taylor dropping into your feed for another

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Speaker 2: listening reco So we know now the federal election will

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Speaker 2: understanding who might lead our country is critical for making

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Speaker 2: Filter host Kate langbrook invited both Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi

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Speaker 2: and Opposition leader Peter Dutton free candid conversation. These interviews

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Speaker 2: go deeper than the usual political coverage. Rather than just

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Speaker 2: focusing on policies in party positions, Kate explores who Dutton

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Speaker 2: and Albot are as people, their backgrounds, values and vision

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Speaker 2: for Australia's future. So, whether you're still weighing up your

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Speaker 2: the people who could be the next Prime Minister of Australia,

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Speaker 2: these conversations provide valuable perspective. So here's Kate Langbrooks No

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Speaker 2: Filter interview with Prime Minister to Anthony Albanesi and don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Also in The Quickie Feed is Kaid's other conversation with

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Speaker 1: It's a critical election.

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Speaker 3: I think that what happens in Australia for the rest

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Speaker 3: world go past us. It's a fast moving world and

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Speaker 3: one of the things that we've had to deal with

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Speaker 4: You're listening to a special episode of No Filter. I'm

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Speaker 4: your host Kate lane Brook. Soon Australian women will face

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Speaker 4: a significant decision in the coming weeks. They will help

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Speaker 4: choose the next Prime Minister. And it's a big election

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Speaker 4: in a world that feels uncertain, with many concerned about

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Speaker 4: their future, their immediate and their children's. Because our mission

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton

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Speaker 5: Filter to speak directly to you.

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Speaker 4: Today's episode is with a man who's been in the

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Speaker 4: driver's seat of Australian leadership for the past three years.

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Speaker 4: He'll open up about the personal toll of politics, handling

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Speaker 4: the public perception of himself, who his friends are, and

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Speaker 4: how he's scheduling in his wedding preparations. No other Prime

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Speaker 4: minister has ever had to do that. Here's my conversation

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Speaker 4: with Prime Minister Anthony ALBANSI. Oh, mister alban easy, although

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Speaker 5: Albow, absolutely welcome to No Filter. Good to be here.

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Speaker 5: Last night, I was.

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Speaker 4: Actually listening to the last No Filter you did, which

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Speaker 1: It was a while ago.

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Speaker 4: listen to it. Your life story, which I kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now it was I was hold in detail with Maya.

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Speaker 3: That would have been before the twenty twenty two election.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and you were the leader of the opposition.

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Speaker 5: Do you think this is better.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I'm a member of a party of government,

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Speaker 4: Well, my brother is a politician, and he's a liberal

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Speaker 3: For many, Australians showed incredible discipline. I've got to say

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Speaker 3: Australians did really look after each other during that period.

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Speaker 4: You say a competitive and adversarial environment, I think a

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Speaker 3: There is certainly areas of agreement and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because I think the personal is political, and

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Speaker 3: Well, Kindness isn't weakness. Kindness is a strength. Compassion is

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that's happened from some sections

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Speaker 3: You show you are strong through your actions, not by yelling,

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Speaker 3: That was a gutsy call and we're making that like

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Speaker 3: Well, what we are doing is taking serious action on

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Speaker 3: have made sure that we're working on that. You can't

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Speaker 3: you need that transition and that's what we have been

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Speaker 4: Correct, and particularly when it comes to women and girls,

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Speaker 3: As second term agenda will be just as big as

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Speaker 1: Of the employers.

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Speaker 1: So we did that.

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Speaker 3: People were leaving the sector because you could earn more

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Speaker 2: Know.

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Speaker 3: It's tough work lifting elderly people, caring for them. It's tough,

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Speaker 3: So all of those measures that we put in place,

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. You know, all of those

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Speaker 4: Important, they are important. Okay, So all of those achievements,

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Speaker 5: Well? Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Will remind them of that, will remind them of wages.

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Speaker 3: People are under pressure, so they are all of all

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Speaker 3: it dusn't's talking about sacking thirty six thousand public servants,

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Speaker 5: Well, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was aware of that aspect of the job.

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Speaker 5: Or not a former bloke, still a bloke.

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Speaker 3: I'm proud that we have appointed women to senior positions

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Speaker 5: You know, the head of the.

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Speaker 4: That's not all of my conversation with Prime Minister Anthony

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Speaker 5: And also his dog Toto.

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Speaker 4: Against this backdrop of the work that you have to

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Speaker 5: Was New Year's Day?

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Speaker 4: You said, did you say New Year's Day?

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Speaker 3: She made a decision that she wanted her life to

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Speaker 1: I accepted that.

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Speaker 3: I went away to the UK and to Portugal for

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Speaker 5: And how was yourself came back at that time? Were you?

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Speaker 1: The Labor brand and to making.

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Speaker 4: And I remember, actually, I think we had you on

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Speaker 4: and you look like you were ready. It was kind

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: It looked like you'd been training for this.

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Speaker 4: Because there is the the physical must have such a

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Speaker 5: Obviously there's the mental, the.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it does.

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Speaker 3: But I'm someone who's never been frightened of hard work.

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Speaker 3: enjoy engaging with people. Someone who doesn't just go into

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Speaker 3: protected environments.

443
00:30:40,574 --> 00:30:42,134
Speaker 5: I walk through shopping centers.

444
00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:48,174
Speaker 3: I engage in environments where you don't know what's going

445
00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:51,694
Speaker 3: to happen, things can go wrong. I like nothing better

446
00:30:52,254 --> 00:30:55,334
Speaker 3: than attending an event like the Learning New Year Festival

447
00:30:55,374 --> 00:31:00,294
Speaker 3: in box Hill or different events you engage with people.

448
00:31:00,374 --> 00:31:02,454
Speaker 4: Are there times when because I know that's a thing

449
00:31:02,614 --> 00:31:06,054
Speaker 4: also particularly probably in every political party, but with labor.

450
00:31:07,214 --> 00:31:12,134
Speaker 5: Sometimes he's a reception that there's not real world experience

451
00:31:13,014 --> 00:31:13,414
Speaker 5: and that.

452
00:31:13,334 --> 00:31:16,974
Speaker 4: You've you know, so have you when was the last

453
00:31:16,974 --> 00:31:20,894
Speaker 4: time that you were exposed to people and you went, oh,

454
00:31:20,974 --> 00:31:23,734
Speaker 4: that's a good idea, or I haven't thought of that,

455
00:31:23,854 --> 00:31:25,094
Speaker 4: or that's changed my mind.

456
00:31:25,334 --> 00:31:29,894
Speaker 3: All the time, I get out and about and engage

457
00:31:29,894 --> 00:31:35,694
Speaker 3: with poople all the time, whether it's walking around, Yeah,

458
00:31:35,774 --> 00:31:38,894
Speaker 3: it was indeed, so there. I was at a dinner

459
00:31:38,934 --> 00:31:44,174
Speaker 3: in Melbourne and someone sledged me when introducing me about

460
00:31:44,214 --> 00:31:47,254
Speaker 3: being a South Sydney supporter. And there's this whole thing

461
00:31:47,294 --> 00:31:50,934
Speaker 3: about a random South person who's everywhere anywhere in the world.

462
00:31:51,374 --> 00:31:53,894
Speaker 3: There'll be someone wearing a Bunnies jumper, even at the

463
00:31:53,934 --> 00:31:59,654
Speaker 3: Wimbledon tennis or at the goal for Russell Crowe exactly,

464
00:32:00,254 --> 00:32:04,734
Speaker 3: and so I said, oh, there's always a random south

465
00:32:04,854 --> 00:32:08,094
Speaker 3: person here, and Jody yelled out up the rabbit os.

466
00:32:09,294 --> 00:32:12,374
Speaker 3: So I went around and talked, went around the tables,

467
00:32:12,454 --> 00:32:16,414
Speaker 3: meeting people as I do, getting that engagement, and there

468
00:32:16,414 --> 00:32:21,334
Speaker 3: I met Jody. And then there was another event a

469
00:32:21,374 --> 00:32:25,094
Speaker 3: couple of weeks later, and Jody was there again by coincidence.

470
00:32:25,294 --> 00:32:27,974
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was there for work.

471
00:32:29,054 --> 00:32:29,254
Speaker 5: Yeah.

472
00:32:29,294 --> 00:32:34,934
Speaker 3: At the time, she was working for a superannuation outfit,

473
00:32:35,734 --> 00:32:39,214
Speaker 3: and so she was there for work and I was

474
00:32:39,254 --> 00:32:43,734
Speaker 3: there for work. And we said hello again. And I

475
00:32:43,894 --> 00:32:48,894
Speaker 3: realized then that she was living in Sydney. She lived

476
00:32:48,894 --> 00:32:53,494
Speaker 3: in my electorate at Stanmore and I was living at

477
00:32:53,494 --> 00:32:58,414
Speaker 3: Marrathon and so she sent me a message.

478
00:32:58,014 --> 00:33:02,494
Speaker 5: And you've got to meet. Cute story.

479
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:06,014
Speaker 3: We caught up for a drink at Young Henry's Brewery

480
00:33:06,134 --> 00:33:09,734
Speaker 3: there in Newtown on a Friday afternoon after work.

481
00:33:09,814 --> 00:33:12,494
Speaker 5: Did you have security with you? Do you have to?

482
00:33:13,014 --> 00:33:17,494
Speaker 1: No? No, it's opposition leader at all. I chose so

483
00:33:17,534 --> 00:33:18,214
Speaker 1: you were just yourself.

484
00:33:18,254 --> 00:33:20,214
Speaker 5: I chose not to. And were you nervous?

485
00:33:20,334 --> 00:33:22,534
Speaker 3: I was there not really because I just thought it

486
00:33:22,574 --> 00:33:28,614
Speaker 3: was a catch up enjoy company with people, and I

487
00:33:28,694 --> 00:33:33,134
Speaker 3: just thought it would just be a beer and I

488
00:33:33,174 --> 00:33:37,894
Speaker 3: actually was talking to the young Henry's guys are quite

489
00:33:37,894 --> 00:33:42,054
Speaker 3: big with beards, and Jody thought, oh, you know what's

490
00:33:42,094 --> 00:33:45,494
Speaker 3: going on because you walked in and I was already there.

491
00:33:46,374 --> 00:33:47,814
Speaker 1: And so we caught up for.

492
00:33:47,814 --> 00:33:51,774
Speaker 3: A drink and ended up having a drink, became dinner

493
00:33:52,934 --> 00:33:55,374
Speaker 3: that night, good date and then yeah, and then we

494
00:33:55,854 --> 00:33:56,454
Speaker 3: caught up again.

495
00:33:56,494 --> 00:33:59,734
Speaker 5: But it wasn't It didn't start off as a date.

496
00:33:59,814 --> 00:34:03,694
Speaker 3: It started off as just catching up for a beer afterwards.

497
00:34:03,734 --> 00:34:06,174
Speaker 5: It didn't start as a date. But that's a date.

498
00:34:06,214 --> 00:34:07,574
Speaker 5: But that's the way to go into it.

499
00:34:07,854 --> 00:34:11,894
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, And we talked and engaged and it was

500
00:34:11,974 --> 00:34:14,134
Speaker 3: it was very pleasant. So then we caught up a

501
00:34:14,174 --> 00:34:15,254
Speaker 3: few weeks later.

502
00:34:15,254 --> 00:34:17,694
Speaker 4: And then at what point did you because that's a

503
00:34:17,734 --> 00:34:20,374
Speaker 4: big thing for her to take on. And then you

504
00:34:20,454 --> 00:34:24,774
Speaker 4: became prime minister yeah, which no girlfriends hating that.

505
00:34:26,174 --> 00:34:28,614
Speaker 5: I don't know, No, I don't think so we might

506
00:34:28,654 --> 00:34:29,414
Speaker 5: go like, oh.

507
00:34:29,294 --> 00:34:32,494
Speaker 4: My god, it's not what I expected, but secretly we're like,

508
00:34:32,574 --> 00:34:36,134
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's the prime minister. And she sort

509
00:34:36,134 --> 00:34:40,974
Speaker 4: of grew into that role of being your like your

510
00:34:41,094 --> 00:34:44,734
Speaker 4: form me and my partner, yeah, yeah, your partner, yeah.

511
00:34:44,494 --> 00:34:49,214
Speaker 3: And we and the relationship because of COVID as well,

512
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:52,014
Speaker 3: speaking of COVID restrictions. For a while there there were

513
00:34:52,054 --> 00:34:54,334
Speaker 3: months where we didn't see each other, right because I

514
00:34:54,374 --> 00:34:56,814
Speaker 3: was in Canberra and couldn't go to see as well,

515
00:34:56,974 --> 00:34:59,814
Speaker 3: So that slowed things up a bit as well.

516
00:35:00,334 --> 00:35:02,534
Speaker 4: And then when Nathan, when was the first time Nathan,

517
00:35:02,614 --> 00:35:05,454
Speaker 4: your son met her met her?

518
00:35:06,334 --> 00:35:11,014
Speaker 3: I guess probably a couple of months in introduced.

519
00:35:11,094 --> 00:35:12,774
Speaker 5: Because that's so significant.

520
00:35:13,254 --> 00:35:16,454
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they get on. They get on very well.

521
00:35:16,654 --> 00:35:22,934
Speaker 3: Nathan's grown into a fine young man. And Nathan and

522
00:35:22,974 --> 00:35:24,694
Speaker 3: his mum and I get on.

523
00:35:26,454 --> 00:35:30,894
Speaker 5: Well. And she was very supportive of you in your election.

524
00:35:30,654 --> 00:35:32,374
Speaker 1: Campaign, Jody.

525
00:35:32,494 --> 00:35:37,854
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, she was out there, not front and Senna,

526
00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:40,694
Speaker 3: you know, she works full time. She has her own

527
00:35:40,734 --> 00:35:47,414
Speaker 3: professional career. She's an accomplished professional woman who has a

528
00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:51,254
Speaker 3: very much her own identity and her own values and views,

529
00:35:52,214 --> 00:35:55,934
Speaker 3: and so she though at the campaign launch and at

530
00:35:55,934 --> 00:36:01,654
Speaker 3: those events, she was there. And then of course post

531
00:36:01,894 --> 00:36:06,174
Speaker 3: that her life is I think not what she would

532
00:36:06,214 --> 00:36:08,014
Speaker 3: have anticipated five years ago.

533
00:36:08,214 --> 00:36:11,574
Speaker 5: No, I'm sure. And now you're getting married.

534
00:36:11,494 --> 00:36:18,374
Speaker 3: We are, and I came to the realization, you know,

535
00:36:18,534 --> 00:36:21,494
Speaker 3: that this is someone that I wanted to spend the

536
00:36:21,534 --> 00:36:25,454
Speaker 3: rest of my life with and so we never discussed

537
00:36:25,454 --> 00:36:27,174
Speaker 3: marriage before I.

538
00:36:26,854 --> 00:36:30,054
Speaker 1: Proposed in did she know that she.

539
00:36:32,334 --> 00:36:32,734
Speaker 5: At all?

540
00:36:32,854 --> 00:36:36,214
Speaker 4: Not at all, even though it's a Valentine's Day proposal.

541
00:36:36,414 --> 00:36:42,814
Speaker 3: Didn't didn't see it coming, she says. So she says, well, no,

542
00:36:42,894 --> 00:36:46,014
Speaker 3: but I think that, yeah, we were obviously very committed

543
00:36:46,054 --> 00:36:50,574
Speaker 3: to each other, and we made that commitment earlier on.

544
00:36:50,654 --> 00:36:53,294
Speaker 3: And you don't, of course need a legal bit of

545
00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:55,734
Speaker 3: paper to make that commitment.

546
00:36:56,694 --> 00:37:00,614
Speaker 5: But I think there is something about marriage that.

547
00:37:00,734 --> 00:37:02,734
Speaker 1: There is you want to make.

548
00:37:04,054 --> 00:37:10,094
Speaker 3: That public decoration in front of your close family and friends, and.

549
00:37:10,014 --> 00:37:11,254
Speaker 1: Who are you to do?

550
00:37:11,494 --> 00:37:15,934
Speaker 5: Who are you like? Who's your best friend? Aside from Jody? Now,

551
00:37:15,974 --> 00:37:16,654
Speaker 5: aside from.

552
00:37:17,294 --> 00:37:22,374
Speaker 3: Who's been displaced by Jody, Well, no one's been displaced.

553
00:37:22,414 --> 00:37:27,294
Speaker 3: I have a range of relationships with men and women.

554
00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:34,334
Speaker 3: Some of my colleagues I'm really close to Penny and

555
00:37:34,454 --> 00:37:39,614
Speaker 3: Katie Richard and Mark Butler, a whole range of people.

556
00:37:39,694 --> 00:37:44,854
Speaker 3: But I have friends that I have had since I

557
00:37:44,894 --> 00:37:49,774
Speaker 3: was a little kid. On the day in which I

558
00:37:50,014 --> 00:37:54,894
Speaker 3: became Prime Minister formerly in terms of the parliamentary sense,

559
00:37:54,934 --> 00:37:58,574
Speaker 3: the first day of Parliament, they have an event at

560
00:37:58,814 --> 00:38:03,254
Speaker 3: the War Memorial the day before on the Monday, sunset

561
00:38:03,694 --> 00:38:05,494
Speaker 3: service and.

562
00:38:06,814 --> 00:38:08,854
Speaker 5: There there were.

563
00:38:08,574 --> 00:38:11,974
Speaker 3: I got a message from someone I grew up with

564
00:38:11,974 --> 00:38:15,814
Speaker 3: with a photo and she was clear there Sharie, a

565
00:38:15,814 --> 00:38:19,654
Speaker 3: friend of mine, and she sent this message. I was

566
00:38:19,654 --> 00:38:23,454
Speaker 3: like you in Canberra and a bunch of my friends,

567
00:38:23,894 --> 00:38:26,894
Speaker 3: the old housos who I grew up with in Campadown

568
00:38:28,134 --> 00:38:32,534
Speaker 3: had come down to Canberra from all over Australia. Now

569
00:38:32,654 --> 00:38:40,374
Speaker 3: Clayton's are Warfie in Fremantle. Wendy from Melbourne people had come.

570
00:38:41,014 --> 00:38:45,054
Speaker 3: There were eight of them had come because their mate

571
00:38:45,454 --> 00:38:49,654
Speaker 3: who they grew up with in public housing in Camperdown

572
00:38:49,814 --> 00:38:55,294
Speaker 3: was becoming the Prime Minister. And so they hadn't told

573
00:38:55,334 --> 00:38:58,694
Speaker 3: me about this. I just connected, you know, we keep

574
00:38:58,734 --> 00:39:02,134
Speaker 3: in touch with each other. And so they came to

575
00:39:02,214 --> 00:39:08,734
Speaker 3: dinner at the lodge that night and it was absolutely

576
00:39:08,774 --> 00:39:11,454
Speaker 3: it was one of the things that has ever happened

577
00:39:11,494 --> 00:39:15,294
Speaker 3: to me in my life, was that feeling of connection

578
00:39:16,254 --> 00:39:19,974
Speaker 3: with where I'd come from. We've got pretty good odds

579
00:39:19,974 --> 00:39:24,654
Speaker 3: on the son of a single mum born out, born

580
00:39:24,694 --> 00:39:28,734
Speaker 3: out of wedlock there in Camperdown, who grew up in

581
00:39:28,774 --> 00:39:33,214
Speaker 3: this little public housing community. It was city Council when

582
00:39:33,294 --> 00:39:36,454
Speaker 3: I was younger, and then got transferred over to the

583
00:39:36,454 --> 00:39:40,254
Speaker 3: State Department of Housing and they'd all come and it

584
00:39:40,414 --> 00:39:42,974
Speaker 3: was wonderful. I keep connected with those people.

585
00:39:43,654 --> 00:39:47,614
Speaker 4: Do you think that that will be possible for like

586
00:39:48,134 --> 00:39:49,174
Speaker 4: Nathan's generation?

587
00:39:49,894 --> 00:39:51,774
Speaker 5: I hope. Yeah.

588
00:39:51,814 --> 00:39:57,214
Speaker 3: He's friends with kids that he went to Dullhy Public

589
00:39:57,254 --> 00:40:02,574
Speaker 3: School and Dulich Hill and they went right through what

590
00:40:02,654 --> 00:40:06,134
Speaker 3: I still Callichhart Hived is now called Sydney Secondary College,

591
00:40:06,134 --> 00:40:09,454
Speaker 3: and then Blackwattell, which is the same school, went through

592
00:40:09,894 --> 00:40:15,134
Speaker 3: a bunch of close friends and they're still they're still

593
00:40:15,174 --> 00:40:19,254
Speaker 3: his closest group of confidence and they look after each other.

594
00:40:19,294 --> 00:40:21,934
Speaker 4: I probably mean beyond that as well. Do you think

595
00:40:21,974 --> 00:40:25,294
Speaker 4: that trajectory is possible for an Australian now to come

596
00:40:25,374 --> 00:40:26,854
Speaker 4: from public housing?

597
00:40:27,694 --> 00:40:28,454
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

598
00:40:28,574 --> 00:40:31,574
Speaker 1: Yeah? I certainly hope. So.

599
00:40:32,094 --> 00:40:36,094
Speaker 3: I want Australia to be the land of opportunity, where

600
00:40:36,774 --> 00:40:41,494
Speaker 3: your trajectory in life should not be dictated by your

601
00:40:41,534 --> 00:40:45,134
Speaker 3: postcode of where you were born or the circumstances into

602
00:40:45,174 --> 00:40:46,254
Speaker 3: which you were born.

603
00:40:46,774 --> 00:40:48,134
Speaker 5: And I do think that's possible.

604
00:40:48,174 --> 00:40:54,374
Speaker 3: I look at the colleagues who've gone into Parliament, who

605
00:40:55,614 --> 00:41:01,094
Speaker 3: are incredibly diverse, and sometimes we romanticize the past of it.

606
00:41:01,334 --> 00:41:03,854
Speaker 1: Yes, the truth is that.

607
00:41:05,854 --> 00:41:10,174
Speaker 3: For eighty three years in New South Wales, the larger state,

608
00:41:10,974 --> 00:41:15,094
Speaker 3: every single member of the House of Representatives had something

609
00:41:15,094 --> 00:41:21,454
Speaker 3: in common eighty three years every election without exception, Labor, Liberal, Independent.

610
00:41:22,054 --> 00:41:26,054
Speaker 3: They were all men, every single one.

611
00:41:26,974 --> 00:41:30,054
Speaker 1: Jeanettekie was people to the romantic.

612
00:41:30,694 --> 00:41:33,334
Speaker 5: Some people romanticize the presence we had.

613
00:41:35,654 --> 00:41:38,694
Speaker 3: We had very little indigenous representative. We have a First

614
00:41:38,774 --> 00:41:43,174
Speaker 3: Nation's Caucus that has half a dozen people in it.

615
00:41:43,254 --> 00:41:52,214
Speaker 3: Now we have the first two Muslims being ministers in

616
00:41:52,254 --> 00:41:56,494
Speaker 3: a national government, ed Husick and n La from twenty

617
00:41:56,694 --> 00:42:02,614
Speaker 3: twenty two. We have an incredibly diverse parliament. That's a

618
00:42:02,614 --> 00:42:07,774
Speaker 3: good thing. It's a good thing that Penny Wong is

619
00:42:07,814 --> 00:42:10,854
Speaker 3: the Senate leader and some one called alban As is

620
00:42:10,894 --> 00:42:12,734
Speaker 3: the House of Reps leader.

621
00:42:12,774 --> 00:42:13,534
Speaker 5: I've met him.

622
00:42:15,334 --> 00:42:16,694
Speaker 1: Right well.

623
00:42:17,534 --> 00:42:18,374
Speaker 5: They were all.

624
00:42:18,214 --> 00:42:21,654
Speaker 3: Anglo Celtic before then. If you go back and look

625
00:42:21,654 --> 00:42:25,054
Speaker 3: at the surnames.

626
00:42:24,574 --> 00:42:28,014
Speaker 4: Also, your name became part of just such an effective

627
00:42:28,054 --> 00:42:33,054
Speaker 4: opposition slogan is life going to get easy under alban Easy?

628
00:42:33,774 --> 00:42:37,214
Speaker 3: What it will do is show the benefit of the

629
00:42:37,214 --> 00:42:40,414
Speaker 3: hard work that we've done in this term. We've turned

630
00:42:40,414 --> 00:42:45,094
Speaker 3: the corner. We had inflation with a six in front

631
00:42:45,574 --> 00:42:49,054
Speaker 3: when we were elected. It now has a two in

632
00:42:49,134 --> 00:42:52,254
Speaker 3: front at two point four we had real wages had

633
00:42:52,294 --> 00:42:56,814
Speaker 3: decreased five quarters in a row, quarters in a row.

634
00:42:57,254 --> 00:43:01,494
Speaker 3: That has we have made that interest rates started to

635
00:43:01,534 --> 00:43:04,534
Speaker 3: go up before the election. Now they've started to go

636
00:43:04,734 --> 00:43:06,414
Speaker 3: down before this election.

637
00:43:07,254 --> 00:43:10,014
Speaker 1: So we have made incredible progress.

638
00:43:10,054 --> 00:43:13,854
Speaker 3: The progress that we've made on climate change, the progress

639
00:43:13,854 --> 00:43:20,974
Speaker 3: that we've made on gender equity is substantial. In as

640
00:43:21,014 --> 00:43:24,734
Speaker 3: I said under three years before the last election, I said,

641
00:43:24,774 --> 00:43:28,374
Speaker 3: you couldn't change the country to what my vision was

642
00:43:28,774 --> 00:43:34,814
Speaker 3: for it, a fairer, stronger country in just three years.

643
00:43:34,854 --> 00:43:39,174
Speaker 3: You needed multiple terms to entrench it. We are not

644
00:43:39,374 --> 00:43:43,134
Speaker 3: just saying what we have done. We're saying we'll reduce

645
00:43:43,174 --> 00:43:47,134
Speaker 3: student debt by a further twenty percent on top of

646
00:43:47,174 --> 00:43:50,974
Speaker 3: the three billion dollars worth cut off student debt, will

647
00:43:51,014 --> 00:43:55,894
Speaker 3: have free tafe there permanently, will have cheaper child care.

648
00:43:55,934 --> 00:44:00,174
Speaker 3: The next stage in the shift to childcare reform, getting

649
00:44:00,254 --> 00:44:05,574
Speaker 3: rid of the activity tests that really penalizes particularly women

650
00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:09,894
Speaker 3: in disadvantage positions, will do that. We'll have a billion

651
00:44:09,934 --> 00:44:14,894
Speaker 3: dollars for child care infrastructure. The announcement that we made

652
00:44:15,614 --> 00:44:20,574
Speaker 3: about Medicare and giving tripling the bulk billing in center

653
00:44:20,694 --> 00:44:26,134
Speaker 3: for everyone, not just for concession cardholders will particularly advantage women.

654
00:44:26,334 --> 00:44:28,814
Speaker 1: And people who will make.

655
00:44:28,694 --> 00:44:32,454
Speaker 3: A judgment for themselves or their families. Can I afford

656
00:44:32,494 --> 00:44:35,454
Speaker 3: to see a doctor? If we move back to what

657
00:44:36,014 --> 00:44:40,574
Speaker 3: Medicare should be, which is free care to visit the

658
00:44:40,654 --> 00:44:44,694
Speaker 3: GP in this case, our objective is ninety percent of

659
00:44:44,774 --> 00:44:47,774
Speaker 3: the time, that will make an enormous difference.

660
00:44:47,814 --> 00:44:50,214
Speaker 4: At the same time, does your GP bult bill? Do

661
00:44:50,254 --> 00:44:51,454
Speaker 4: you get to see a normal doctor?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Do you see a normal doctor? Is there a

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister doctor?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I get I get to see my doctor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In Marateful they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Very for a while there it was impossible to find

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Speaker 4: a doctor that was built.

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Speaker 3: They try, and that's because Peter Dutton froze the Medicare

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Speaker 3: rebate for six years. They had a conscious decision. Peter

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Speaker 3: Dutton's position was that you shouldn't see not just for free.

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Speaker 3: He tried to abolish bulk building by having a GP

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Speaker 3: tax every time people visited a GP, and indeed at

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Speaker 3: tax every time people visited an emergency department as well,

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Speaker 3: and at tax on pharmaceuticals. Fifty billion dollars out of

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Speaker 3: the health system, out of the hospital system. They did

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Speaker 3: that in their twenty fourteen budget and just two days

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Speaker 3: ago Anne Rusten, the Health Shadow Minister, said again, well

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Speaker 3: we never said that people should see a doctor for free. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, the basis of Medicare is very different from

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Speaker 3: the American system. I don't want to see the americanization

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Speaker 3: of the health system. I want the Australian system, which

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Speaker 3: is the best philosophy in the world, which is that

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Speaker 3: if you need health care that my mum as an

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Speaker 3: invalid pensioner when she ended up passing away in Royal

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Speaker 3: Prince Alford Hospital, but more than one visit to emergency

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Speaker 3: there when often long confinement, often a long time in hospital.

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Speaker 3: Kerry Packer as one of Australia's richest people. When he

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Speaker 3: had a heart attack, he ended up at Royal Prince

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Speaker 3: Alford Hospital.

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Speaker 1: And I as.

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Speaker 3: A labor leader when I had a car accident and

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Speaker 3: almost died, I was very lucky. In January twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: I ended up an emergency department in Royal Prince Alford

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Speaker 3: Hospital as well.

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Speaker 5: What was the last thing that you and Jodi had

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Speaker 5: an argument about? Because I would not if I was

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Speaker 5: your girlfriend, I wouldn't want to ask.

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Speaker 1: We don't we actually get on incredibly.

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Speaker 5: Well, like he's walked the dog or who didn't get milk?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, well we both love the dog and

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Speaker 3: Toto's very spoilt. Toto is certainly the first dog and

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Speaker 3: she knows it.

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Speaker 5: Is Toto going to have a role in the wedding.

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Speaker 1: Of course, ring bear, she's got to be the ring bearer.

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Speaker 5: Really is she that well trained?

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Speaker 1: She's pretty good. Yeah, No, she's very disciplined.

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Speaker 3: Knows to walk Toto around Marrickvil and she will never

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Speaker 3: ever run off. And she's now of course, had a

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Speaker 3: tiny backyard as bad as big as this studio in Maryville.

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Speaker 3: She's now the backyard, yeah, a bit bigger these days.

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Speaker 5: Is the backyard going to stay big? Is my question

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Speaker 5: to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, that will be up to the Australian people. What

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Speaker 3: do you think they're going to stand in coming months? Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm confident that we have not just a record of

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Speaker 3: seeing Australia through what has been very tough times that around.

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Speaker 3: We have a program for an agenda for a second

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Speaker 3: term and our opponents have three policies six hundred billion

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Speaker 3: dollar nuclear plan sometime in the twenty forties, free lunch

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Speaker 3: that all your listeners will pay for but won't get

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Speaker 3: up to twenty thousand dollars and cuts to pay for

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Speaker 3: all of the above that they won't tell you about

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Speaker 3: till after the election. I've never seen such a lazy

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Speaker 3: opposition that we had went to the election in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two with cheap of childcare policies, the Future Major

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Speaker 3: in Australia Agenda, a whole series of policies, age care reform.

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Speaker 3: They haven't done the hard yards and they're not ready

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Speaker 3: for government. And my government has been really orderly disciplined.

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Speaker 3: I've got a fantastic team.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is a forum to speak to a

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Speaker 4: large cohort of Australian women. What is your pitch to them.

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Speaker 3: That we are a government that are defined by in

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Speaker 3: part one of our core objectives, not something that's an

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Speaker 3: add on, not something that's an afterthought. How do we

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Speaker 3: promote economic equality for women and that is something that's

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Speaker 3: at the core of what we do, whether it's in

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Speaker 3: economic policy, whether it be in social policy. We have

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Speaker 3: a record of achievement in our first three years, but

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Speaker 3: we recognize there is more to do and my government

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Speaker 3: will always be respectful and engaging and I believe one

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Speaker 3: of the key differences between my government and our opponents

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Speaker 3: is whether we take gender equity seriously.

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Speaker 4: All right, proposition for you, should you win the election,

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Speaker 4: I would like to invite you back in a year's

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Speaker 4: time so that I can check your KPIs done on

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Speaker 4: what you have done for women, policies that have been

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Speaker 4: executed that have changed the lives of women in Australia. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: it's a deal, Albow. I don't see you in a

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Speaker 4: year's time. See you then, possibly as Prime Minister, possibly

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Speaker 4: as a normy. Let's just dropped by to.

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Speaker 5: Say hello, Hope, we're both still here in every sense.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Thank you, thanks for having me on with us.

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Speaker 1: My pleasure.

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Speaker 4: There's more to Albow's story, and Maya actually sat down

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Speaker 4: to talk to the PM before he was the PM.

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Speaker 4: It's the most extraordinary story of meeting his father for

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Speaker 4: the first time when he was in his forties. There's

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Speaker 4: a link to that in the show notes.

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Speaker 5: And if you'd like.

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Speaker 4: To hear from the Leader of the Opposition, I also

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Speaker 4: spoke to Peter Dutton. There's also a link to that

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Speaker 4: discussion in the show notes. I'm your host, Kate Langbrook,

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Speaker 4: thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we hope you enjoyed this episode of No Filter.

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to hear Kate in conversation with Opposition

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Speaker 2: leader Peter Dutton, that's also live now in the Quickie feed.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to find it right next to

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Speaker 2: this one. For more from Kate and No Filter, there'll

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Speaker 2: be a link to follow in the show notes, and

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Speaker 2: the quiki will be back in your feed tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: six am