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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what

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Speaker 1: of March. I'm Holly Wayne, right. And if you're one

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Speaker 1: And if you update your phone you will get that

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Speaker 1: new version. You may have already done that because you

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Speaker 1: might be one of those organized people, in which case, Hi,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, sorry, that's me. Who are you guys?

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Speaker 3: I'm Claire Stephens and I'm m Vernon filling in for

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Speaker 3: Amelia today.

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Speaker 1: God help us.

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Speaker 4: We're like, m are you a.

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Speaker 3: Geopolitical experts Amelia when she gets back?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's see. Well, here's what's made our agenda for today.

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Speaker 3: M speaking of missing Amelia the petrol price panic, I

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Speaker 3: have a lot of questions that I immediately need answered.

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Speaker 2: Plus, Sarah Ferguson has been caught up in an alleged

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Speaker 2: corgy cloning saga.

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Speaker 4: Yes you heard that right, and I want to talk

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 1: Anrdy's icon is back in my algorithm, recast as a

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Speaker 1: divorce guru. So just how bananas is Rachel Zoe's hot

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Speaker 1: divorcee era? And what does it tell us about spilling

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Speaker 1: your side of a split story? But first, Claire Stevens.

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Speaker 2: In case you missed it, On Tuesday married at First

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Speaker 2: Sight relationship expert Melshill died. She was fifty four years old,

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Speaker 2: and she leaves behind her husband, Gareth Brisbane, and their

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Speaker 4: Daughter, Madison.

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Speaker 2: Her husband shared the news with her followers, writing Melanie

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Speaker 2: Jane Brisbane Shilling passed away peacefully today, surrounded by love.

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Speaker 2: In her final moments, when I thought cancer had taken

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Speaker 2: away her ability to speak, she ushered me closer and

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Speaker 2: whispered a message for Maddie and me that will sustain

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Speaker 2: me for the rest of my life. It took all

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Speaker 2: of her remaining strength, and that gesture summed up our

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Speaker 2: wee Melsie perfectly. Even then, her only thought was for

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Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. So she's on maths now, am I right, Claire?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for a few more weeks.

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Speaker 2: So it's there's something very eerie about turning on your

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Speaker 1: I know. And it also is kind of shocking because

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Speaker 1: return relatively red. So I think it's really knocked people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only a fortnight ago that she shared

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Speaker 2: on Instagram she'd had She was diagnosed with colon cancer

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Speaker 4: Was only in December last year.

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Speaker 2: That she discovered that the cancer had spread to her brain,

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Speaker 2: and she shared that news and she wrote, if I

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Speaker 2: could leave you with one thing, it would simply be this.

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Speaker 2: If something doesn't feel right, please get it checked out.

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Speaker 2: It might just save your life.

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Speaker 1: She'd been an amazing advocate for colon cancer during that time.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say, I think news like

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Speaker 1: this is exceptionally hard for obviously people directly affected who

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Speaker 1: loved Mel, but for anyone with cancer in their lives,

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Speaker 1: because a woman who's still on our screens is gone,

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Speaker 1: and it just seems so unfair and so short, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's really stressful and difficult. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: share a little bit of a beautiful tribute that Elizabeth Day,

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Speaker 1: the podcaster and novelist, wrote about Mel Shilling. I didn't

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Speaker 4: Yes, they did it.

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Speaker 2: They did a podcasting again, Yeah, because Elizabeth Day loved

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Speaker 4: They did a series.

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Speaker 1: Because Mel's on the UK version of Maths too, so

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Speaker 1: It said Mel's attitude was always why not why not

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Speaker 1: both had in common, says Elizabeth. Why not have a

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Speaker 1: through miscarriage and IVF before her beloved daughter Mattie arrived.

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Speaker 1: Why not build a phenomenal life for herself? Why not

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Speaker 1: picture program I did in Netflix? Why not write a

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Speaker 1: not believe in more? Why not believe you were capable

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Speaker 1: who knew mel this why not attitude of hers was

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Speaker 1: think that that's something that's worth sharing, even if for

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Speaker 1: those of us who's like dreams might be smaller than

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Speaker 1: those you know, than males, or quieter than those like her.

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Speaker 1: Messages like listen to your body, get yourself checked, love hard,

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Speaker 4: Not changing pace?

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Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson aka Fergi aka the former Duchess of yours.

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Speaker 1: It's important distinction to make because the problem that Fergie

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Speaker 1: has is there's another Fergi. Exactly, He's much less problematic

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Speaker 2: And for me, the other Fergi is the main Fergi.

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Speaker 2: I would assume it's the same for you every time.

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Speaker 3: And Mami and we talk about Fergie, I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: this is Fergie number one and the other is Fergo.

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Speaker 1: Anyway we digressed, Oh my godness, like Fergie's clone, like

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Speaker 1: Corgy's clone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well she's been through it before.

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Speaker 2: Fergie has been caught up in serious controversy in the

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Speaker 2: to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: So that's been happening.

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Speaker 2: We've seen her name in the headlines for a lot

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Speaker 2: of reasons, and she is not looking good. But there's another,

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Speaker 2: far more trivial controversy that is currently afoot, and I

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Speaker 4: Need to break it down.

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Speaker 2: So Fergie has been accused of making plans to clone

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Speaker 2: and sell the late Queen Elizabeth the Seconds Corgy's for

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Speaker 2: a reality TV show.

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Speaker 1: I have already clicked on this reality TV show in

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Speaker 1: my head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm like in my head, I'm like, had

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Speaker 3: I buy a Corgy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the Queen's ones.

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Speaker 2: According to the Mail on Sunday, Fergie was involved in

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Speaker 2: talks back in twenty twenty three to clone the Queen's

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Speaker 2: last remaining dogs, Muick and Sandy Claire.

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Speaker 1: It's pronounced Mick, is it? Wow? How do you know

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Speaker 4: I thought Muick. I thought Muwick.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I'm sure I correct on this manner.

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Speaker 1: I love that the robot's been thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: I trust you. I really thought it was quite fancy.

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Speaker 1: I was imagining Musick was a last name.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Sorry, continue, So she wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, in the context of this show, the idea was

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Speaker 2: to clone the Queen's last remaining dogs, Mick and Sandy,

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Speaker 2: to then sell to other dog lovers around the world.

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Speaker 2: To me, it sounds like Fergie had kind of two

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Speaker 2: revenue streams coming from this project, which was like reality

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Speaker 2: TV long line of dogs to sell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when Meg's made the Netflix show. She's

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Speaker 1: like Rowdy TV and JAM and you could buy the

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Speaker 1: Jam on Netflix. This is like that, but with live puppies.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that at all.

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Speaker 2: So the report claims that she met with executives from

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Speaker 2: housey On Studios and other companies in the US, and

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Speaker 2: producers did develop a synopsis for the show.

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Speaker 4: Would you like to hear it?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 2: So I guess you would like click on the show,

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Speaker 2: and this would be the little thing that tells you

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Speaker 2: what it's about. When Sarah ferguson the Duchess of York,

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Speaker 2: interesting wording because the former Duchess of York is bequeathed

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Speaker 2: two of the queen's beloved Corgies. She decides to embark

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Speaker 2: on a bold and controversial business venture cloning the royal pups.

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Speaker 2: But as she navigates the complex world of genetics and

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, when they pitched this, did they think

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Speaker 1: that was the extent of Fergie's dramas demons?

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Speaker 2: Clearly clearly, and it apparently went on. Fergie was thrilled

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Speaker 2: but surprised to learn that, rather than jewelry or money,

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Speaker 4: Left her two of her beloved Corkies, which.

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Speaker 2: I find interesting because I'm like, I assumed, Fergie that

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Speaker 2: you had some very deep emotional relationship with these dogs

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Speaker 4: Why no, you were given them.

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Speaker 3: I have something to say about this. Firstly, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what bequeath means, but I don't like that use

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Speaker 1: Let's second me but.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like a royal version of like given.

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Speaker 1: Like just take them.

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Speaker 3: The first thing I thought of was where are the

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Speaker 3: rest of the Corkyes, because we have Mick and Sandy.

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Speaker 3: And then I found out quite nicely that the Queen

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Speaker 3: actually stopped having Corgis in twenty eighteen because she didn't

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Speaker 1: Her and end up with Sarah Ferguson and end up.

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Speaker 3: But then what happened was when Prince Philip died, she

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Speaker 3: was gifted these two Corgies.

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Speaker 4: By Andrew and Fergie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah what, And so I feel like gave the queen.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't there at the gifting ceremony. He was like

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Speaker 3: probably in talks and she's like, I think I can

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Speaker 3: think of a reality TV show and she's playing.

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Speaker 1: Dogs and she was playing the long game.

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Speaker 3: So she's like, let's give the Queen these dogs. So

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Speaker 3: then when had happened, we can take them back and.

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Speaker 2: I can make some money off it, and it's really

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Speaker 2: it is weird because then that's weird to be like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why she gave me the dogs.

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Speaker 4: They were your dog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true. Em speaks the truth because the

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Speaker 1: thing that's weird about this corky situation is that apparently

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Speaker 1: the existence of these corkies and the story that's been

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Speaker 1: out there from Sarah that she was Sarah Ferguson, that

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Speaker 1: she was left the corkies, and she's made suggestions that

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Speaker 1: they like the Queen talks to her through the corgies

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Speaker 1: and all these things. This really annoys Princess Catherine and

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Speaker 1: Prince William. I wonder why, I guess Prince William of

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Speaker 1: Princess Catherine in particular, and probably Charles, but like he's

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Speaker 1: not allowed thing, Like she's just trying to pretend she

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Speaker 1: but the supply chain will be disrupted down the line.

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Speaker 1: What we have right now is a demand crisis, which

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Speaker 1: is that, as I said, the microcosm of me and

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Speaker 1: my suburban regional family saying keep the cars full is

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Speaker 1: step repeated, and then on a different scale when it

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Speaker 1: comes to industry. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: So it's like the general message that we should be

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Speaker 3: taking is don't panic yet too early.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but we keep being told don't panic, and this great.

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Speaker 2: There was another expert on the Quickie Today, consumer behavior expert,

448
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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Harrison, and he said, the really hard thing

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Speaker 2: is the more media coverage of this issue, the more

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Speaker 2: we are told not to panic, The more we're told

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty petrol stations in this state.

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Speaker 4: Are out of petrol.

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Speaker 2: The more we are told that, the more and it's

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Speaker 2: not to blame anyone, it's just a normal human instinct

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Speaker 2: to then panic by like that's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 2: So I find it really interesting that, yeah, at the moment,

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Speaker 2: it's a demand issue rather than a supply issue. But

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Speaker 2: the thing that I think people have attached onto in

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Speaker 2: terms of supply is that so Australia apparently has all

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Speaker 2: the reserves, and the idea of reserves is basically in

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Speaker 2: an emergency, that we have petrol reserves, so that basically

462
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Speaker 2: that is not the fuel that you'd be using to

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Speaker 2: fill up your it'd be for emergency services diesel. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for diesel for kind of top line functioning of the country.

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Speaker 2: And because some regional areas did run out of diesel,

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Speaker 2: we went into those reserves and that has panicked people.

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Speaker 2: And the expert on the Quickie this morning very much

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Speaker 2: said like the government will top that up, Like don't

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Speaker 2: like that is not something for us to freak out about,

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Speaker 2: but hearing that I think made a lot of people panic.

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Speaker 2: The thing I find interesting is that the experts are

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Speaker 2: telling us it's a demand crisis, not a supply crisis.

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Speaker 1: So there are some petrol stations. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure at the minute for the various premieres to be

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Speaker 1: saying this is how many petrol stations in my state

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Speaker 1: don't have petrol and all those things, and then they

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Speaker 1: might have it again tomorrow, but it might be gone

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Speaker 1: again because basically the demand and supply has been destabilized

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Speaker 1: by this crisis. So whether or not there's actually less

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Speaker 1: petrol and diesel in the country right now is not

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Speaker 1: really the problem. The problem is that the supply chain

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Speaker 1: is going to be disrupted, and so everybody's.

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Speaker 4: Buying, although because I've heard that too, that.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily I don't mean they're necessarily panic buying like filling,

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Speaker 1: but they're just buying more than they normally would. And

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Speaker 1: then obviously, if your industry depends on it, or your

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Speaker 1: livelihood depends on it, or you're you know, then you're

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Speaker 1: going to be more proactive in keeping your supplies as

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Speaker 1: full as you can. I drive a lot, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I live regionally, I drive my car. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: exaggerating when I say I drive it about one hundred

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Speaker 1: times more than I did when I lived in a city.

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Speaker 1: So if you live regionally a there's less public transport,

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Speaker 1: so it's all fine for people to say just catch

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Speaker 1: public transport. There is no public transport where I live.

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Speaker 1: There's like two buses a day that go to a

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Speaker 1: nearby town. But if I want to get the train,

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Speaker 1: I've still got to drive twenty minutes to get there.

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Speaker 1: And then that's just living in a small town regionally.

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Speaker 1: If you live rurally, that's a whole different ballgame. So

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I think this affects you differently

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Speaker 1: depending on where you live, and the other thing that

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Speaker 1: compounds for regional people and if you're living in the

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Speaker 1: regions and this is really stressing you, you know, we

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Speaker 1: want to say obviously we see you. Is that we

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Speaker 1: also don't have as many petrol stations. So say my

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Speaker 1: town has one independent petrol station and they're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: getting the same level of supply as some of the

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Speaker 1: bigger places, and you also have less choice. So it

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Speaker 1: kind of the cascade of impact is significant. And so

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Speaker 1: I can go, right, well, I'm going to get the

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Speaker 1: train to the city this week instead of driving, but

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Speaker 1: I still need to drive to get there. I've still

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Speaker 1: got it. Like it's a very there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: driving the Australians around the country you have to do.

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Speaker 1: If you live in the suburbs. Our cities are sprawling,

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Speaker 1: suburban you know centers. If you live in the suburbs,

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Speaker 1: public transport isn't great. If you live in the regions,

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Speaker 1: it isn't great. It doesn't exist in rural places, so

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Speaker 1: it's a bit tricky to say just get on the train.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of the petrol stations that have been

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Speaker 2: kind of most affected, it is those in rural and

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Speaker 2: regional areas, and so it completely makes sense that they're

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Speaker 2: the populations most affected. But what I've been thinking about

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Speaker 2: is where's the end of this? Because I keep just

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Speaker 2: hearing little bits of like a Donald Trump's SoundBite about

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Speaker 2: him giving ultimatums and then changing that ultimatum, and I

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Speaker 2: can't engage with that because there's just not a lot

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Speaker 2: of logic going on in his direction. But apparently, basically

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Speaker 2: to get prices down, they either need to reopen the

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Speaker 2: strait of Homus, which that's what Trump's been talking about

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Speaker 2: and kind of trying to negotiate, or the war needs to.

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Speaker 1: End, which is what I think many people want to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because that would solve a lot of just

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Speaker 2: different levels. Yes, yes, solve humanitarian issues as well. But

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen signs that either of those things are

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Speaker 2: going to happen soon. And and Anthony Alberaneezi did say

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Speaker 2: even if the war ended now, there would be a

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Speaker 2: long economic tale to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Oh excellent, that's so great. So if none of these

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Speaker 3: two things happen, surely not petrols is going to be

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Speaker 3: where the panic ends, Like will there be more things

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Speaker 3: that we start panicking over?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, airlines hiking prices to reflect the rising cost of fuel.

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Speaker 2: That's already happening. Farmers are deciding whether to park tractors

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Speaker 2: or whether to risk planting a crop they can't afford

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Speaker 2: to fuel, and fishing trawlers are tied up at docks

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Speaker 2: because they can't get enough diesel. And basically, if it

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Speaker 2: costs more to plant and harvest and transport produce, that

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Speaker 2: will eventually show up in what we pay for at

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Speaker 2: the supermarket. So apparently dairy and fruit and veg going

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Speaker 2: to be the things that are kind of next impacted.

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Speaker 4: And then there's if you think.

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Speaker 2: About goods imported from overseas, then that's bearing the brunt

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Speaker 2: of increased fuel prices, so it's pretty scary, and then

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Speaker 2: the stock and then that panic the stop filing causes

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Speaker 2: its own.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to leave it. We don't want everybody

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Speaker 1: out there right now to be like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I think that worrying about this is a very reasonable, rational,

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Speaker 1: fair thing to do, because we live in really scary

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Speaker 1: times like we do. It would be gaslighting to say

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Speaker 1: that we don't. But on the other hand, we've got

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Speaker 1: no choice. We've got to just stay rational, focus on

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Speaker 1: what you can control, and laugh about cloned foot Corgi's

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Speaker 1: because like, really, I think it's really We've been talking

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Speaker 1: a lot in the office about how and people are

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Speaker 1: comparing this to like how much did you panic at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of cod and whether or not that really

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Speaker 1: changed the outcome for anybody.

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Speaker 2: Because just before COVID, there was Jesse and I who

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Speaker 2: were deep in the COVID news, and there was also

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Speaker 2: our head of technology, Paul, who did all the data

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Speaker 2: himself and was like, this is not good. It's coming

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Speaker 2: to us, and we all got in trouble.

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Speaker 4: For stoking fear in the office.

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Speaker 2: And then it was a week later and we were

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Speaker 2: all at home and we were like, oh, you.

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Speaker 1: Go go home and then we'll see you all in

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Speaker 1: three years. It was like it was amazing times. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, like, we did get through I know,

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Speaker 1: I sound like an idiot, so I was, we did

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Speaker 1: get through it. I was being optimistic about it the

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Speaker 1: other day and Claire was like, I seem to remember

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Speaker 1: that before COVID, you were all like it's going to

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Speaker 1: be fine, And I was like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I think that it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because at the moment we're in that media frenzy where

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Speaker 1: everybody's projecting what might happen, what might happen, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: fuel rationing could happen. It's one of the things that

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Speaker 1: was on the news this morning. They've uncovered some old

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Speaker 1: report that says they could cap everyone at forty dollars

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Speaker 1: every time they go to the pump. The government's like,

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Speaker 1: that's old, it's irrelevant, it's not the thing, but it's

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Speaker 1: an example, I guess, of the kind of stuff that

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Speaker 1: might happen. But we're in a moment where everybody's rushing

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Speaker 1: to fill a content void with this.

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Speaker 4: Because we know, because we know people are hit, and.

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Speaker 1: Because the big international geopolitical picture of it is very

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Speaker 1: frightening and upsetting in lots of ways. We can focus

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Speaker 1: on our price of our tin goods and all those things,

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Speaker 1: and it is genuinely fine to be feeling really anxious

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Speaker 1: about it. But I also think there is only so

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Speaker 1: much that we can control. As for your friend who

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Speaker 1: wants to buy the EV Yes, by the way, people

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Speaker 1: with EV's be very smug right now, and probably for

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Speaker 1: good reason. And I've got a hybrid, so I can

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Speaker 1: be like half smug, ye, but not completely smug. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is EV's are about to get really expensive too,

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Speaker 1: Just to cheer your friend up as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like I said to you this morning, Holly,

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Speaker 2: oh gosh, there's so much I wish I had learned

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Speaker 2: in school.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, isn't feel related to electricity? And you were

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Speaker 4: like yes.

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Speaker 1: And that was at the end.

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Speaker 4: Of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: So I know you come here for all the important

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Speaker 1: science and geopolitical news. Can I remind you that, as

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Speaker 1: always our news show, The Quickie is covering all this

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Speaker 1: day every day. They've got really great experts on that.

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Speaker 1: It's really thorough coverage. So please jump over there if

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Speaker 1: you want to know, and if you are worried and

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Speaker 1: you are anxious, and as as said, this is a

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Speaker 1: bigger deal for some people than O, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: And if you're in the regions, and if your business

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Speaker 1: depends on this, and we just want to tell you

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Speaker 1: that we see you, that we're thinking of you, and

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Speaker 1: that we're about to give you something to distract you.

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Speaker 1: There's been a very welcome blast from the past on

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Speaker 1: my algorithm lately. You two are from different generations to me,

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Speaker 1: What does Rachel Zoe mean to you?

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Speaker 5: There was the Rachel Zoe Project, and I watched it

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Speaker 5: exsively the naughties, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Naughtisi I was.

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Speaker 4: And I was obsessed.

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Speaker 2: And I ain't know why because I think she just

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Speaker 2: dressed celebrities, but I also just kind of liked how

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Speaker 2: she wore really big sunglasses.

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Speaker 1: Does Rachel z Owe mean anything to you?

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Speaker 3: M only from when you taught me about her about

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Speaker 3: being a stylist in the naughties, but also her name

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Speaker 3: has come up recently because she's in one of those

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Speaker 3: like reality housewives shows.

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Speaker 1: She is, so she's the new cast member on the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and they are hard on

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Speaker 1: the promo trail, which is why she's everywhere and most

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Speaker 1: notably talking about divorce. Let me give you a bit

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Speaker 1: of background on who Rachel Zoe is. First, she was

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Speaker 1: a celebrity stylist in the naughties who became a celebrity herself.

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Speaker 1: So she was responsible for a kind of boho vibe

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Speaker 1: that was really big at the time that you would

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Speaker 1: probably you were probably a kid, m but you would

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Speaker 1: vaguely remember the big sonny is, the chunk jewelry, the

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Speaker 1: flowy things and everybody being really really really thin. So

656
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Speaker 1: Nicole Richie was like her bestie, her poster child, and

657
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: you'd see all these images both pap imagery and also

658
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: from inside parties and events of her and like Mischa Barton,

659
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Nicole Richie, lots of celebrities all kind of out looking

660
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: amazing but also looking very tiny, and so she became

661
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: they became known as the Zobots, which isn't very nice,

662
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: but we weren't very nice in those times. They were

663
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of called the zobots. There was a size zero obsession,

664
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: but she was a legit stylist and when she made

665
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: the reality show. The best thing about that reality show

666
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: is it followed her and her charismatic assistance and chaotic

667
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: assistants while they like dressed celebrities for the Oscars or whatever,

668
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: and it was kind of our first glimpse and she

669
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: did Jennifer Garna was one of her famous ones, but

670
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: she did big a list names for those events, and

671
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: it was the first time we saw behind them scenes

672
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: of like they were all arguing about some dress from

673
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: the runway. But so and so what Jennifer Hanison wants that,

674
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: No Jennifer Garner is going to get that. No Jennifer

675
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: Lopez and the Jennifers, every Jennifer that it was that era,

676
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: and so she became a big deal. Famously. She had

677
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: this husband called Roger, and he also became famous because

678
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: he was in the show a lot. He was and

679
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: he was kind of very like, he dressed really flashy.

680
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: They have this amazing apartment in La and you were

681
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: at home with them, you were in their world, you

682
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: were at their garden parties, you were and she and

683
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Roger had been together since they were kids, like since

684
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: they were I think college and they met at college, right,

685
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: and so they then they started businesses together. He was

686
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: very much involved in her work and they were together

687
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: all up for nearly thirty years until last year when

688
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: she announced that they had split. They've got two kids

689
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: who they had relatively late in their relationships. So they've

690
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: got two boys, Skyla and Caius, great names Nordy's names,

691
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: born in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen. And they were

692
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: always involved in the TV in the you know, all

693
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: the coverage. But anyway, announced a split and then the

694
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: reason Rachel Zoe is all over my feed right now

695
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: is because she is on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

696
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: So she's back, she's on the TV, and she's talking

697
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: about the divorce heaps, including with her kids, and it's

698
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: led to a lot of kind of coverage about how

699
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: the housewives, who were all once you know, housewives twenty

700
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: years ago when that show came out, the new cropp

701
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: are often like hot divorces spilling their guts about their relationships.

702
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: So I'm about to play you a little grab from

703
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: the show, and in it, she's talking to her two boys,

704
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: who are sort of tween age teenagers in the kitchen,

705
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: about her ex husband their father who doesn't live with

706
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: them anymore. And this is on the show.

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Speaker 6: I guess my question is, how does it feel in general,

708
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 6: like over the last year, do you feel like this

709
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 6: is better than before, worse than before, different than.

710
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: Before, same, timberly different.

711
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: He wasn't really here a lot anyway, but now he's

712
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: just completely gun not like a trace of him.

713
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know. And you definitely had a big presence,

714
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 6: didn't he. Does that energy around her feel different?

715
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

716
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels a bit more peaceful.

717
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly.

718
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 6: You know, Chius has said that he was mad at

719
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 6: me for letting me be treated the way I was,

720
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 6: because that means I'm not modeling well for what they

721
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 6: think love and marriage and relationship should look like or

722
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: feel like, and more importantly, how they should talk to

723
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: someone they love.

724
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Speaker 1: Is it great that we're examining through people like Rachel

725
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: So this new divorce life or is it a bit

726
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: weird that her kids are talking about their dad on

727
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: the TV.

728
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: I just when when I heard that, the idea of

729
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: him not being around, I thought all the risks of

730
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: prosecuting a divorce in public and kind of one person

731
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: having a voice that the other person doesn't have.

732
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Speaker 1: So she's been talking on podcasts and on TV shows

733
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: and on the show itself of course, about their divorce,

734
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: about the final straws, about the fact he's got a

735
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: new girlfriend, about the fact that she didn't know who

736
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: she was, like, it's all out there. Yeah.

737
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: But there's a really interesting piece in the cut by

738
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: Alissa Vingen, and it's called so Long Housewives, Hot Divorcees

739
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 2: run Bravo Now, and she was She basically argues that

740
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: the fact that we are now seeing this has really

741
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: normalized it for her, and that she is watching it

742
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: with the empathy of somebody who has just been through

743
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: it themselves. So she opens the piece by admitting that

744
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: when she announced her divorce to her friends, several of

745
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: them finally felt comfortable telling her that they really disliked

746
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: her ex husband and they never thought he was good

747
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: enough her.

748
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: Which is my biggest fear.

749
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know, I know, people being what's.

750
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Your biggest fear?

751
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: Like being with someone for so long and your friends

752
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: just hating them and they never told you, and then

753
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: you know, they've just been talking about what an embarrassing

754
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: choice here?

755
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm tell me now.

756
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: But the Real Housewives of Orange County debuted twenty years ago.

757
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the whole franchise.

758
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: And it's twenty years ago, twenty years ago.

759
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: And it's a huge franchise, right, It's like there are

760
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: so many Ally is allegedly the best one.

761
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take that on good.

762
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: We obviously have our own Australian one.

763
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And they're compulsively watchable. And this whole thing

764
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: of these women in these affluent cities living absurd lives.

765
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: We've been following it for a long time now, and

766
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: as you say, Holly, what is so fascinating about this

767
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: is that it started as being a housewife was the thing,

768
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: like it's the reason. And I think all of this

769
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: started with Desperate Housewives, like and then it got turned

770
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: into real house true, it was kind of like Desperate

771
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: Housewives meet the OC. It's kind of I guess how

772
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: they how they pitched it.

773
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: And it's like there's an element of wealth tourism in

774
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: it in the attraction of this franchise from the beginning,

775
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: and then the which is like I want to see

776
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: their houses, their clothes, their cars, their parties. And then

777
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: there's obviously the drama.

778
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though they're rarely in their house, No, they're

779
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: always out of dinner parties, having drenk some like where's

780
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 3: the house?

781
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: Yea, I know, I want the real estate, real estate porn.

782
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 2: And even I remember from when I was watching it,

783
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: literally it would have been close to twenty years ago

784
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: when when I was watching some of the early seasons,

785
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 2: it would often be storylines about the husband being awful,

786
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: lots of criminal stuff. The husband was always doing something

787
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: financially dodgy, which for some reason didn't affect the family's

788
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: bottom line. They were all fine, but that was a

789
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: common theme that there was, there was tension over people

790
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: being treated badly.

791
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: So in a way, it's become like broadly a bit

792
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: of an arc about females surviving shitty men.

793
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what's like over those decades. Now it's

794
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: gone from being treated badly but staying with them because

795
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: that's just your life to the stories now are really

796
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: women on their own divorces, living their best lives.

797
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't click fast enough because, as I just explained,

798
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm invested from a deep past in Rachel Zoe's marriage.

799
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw that she was spilling the

800
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: guts of the split with Roger, I was like, I

801
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: need to know what happened with Roger, because in my

802
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: mind they were like this power couple and they've been

803
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: together for ever, and so my purian desire to like

804
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: give me the goss definitely worked.

805
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because they seemed so enmeshed, like I remember

806
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: their lives seeming so like that he was involved in

807
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: the business and all of that. But this writer says, basically,

808
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: if I had seen this era of housewives on my

809
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: television when I was deciding whether to leave or stay

810
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: my marriage, I would have left much sooner. That's kind

811
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: of good, right, yeah, And she cites several well deciding

812
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: yes yes, And she cites several examples of the couples

813
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: who are broken up, including all the original vander Pump

814
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: Rules couples, and she talks about the current season of

815
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills that's got Rachel z and

816
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: how it really is this thing of hot divorces dealing

817
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: with healing from toxic relationships, living their best lives, like

818
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: living lives that look really quite aspirational. That it's not

819
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: something where it's like anything has broken. Rachel Zoe has

820
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: said that she doesn't feel like she failed.

821
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: That is not something, although it looks like maybe she did.

822
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: I think just from that SoundBite alone, it's like they

823
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: addressed the issue of the divorce in like two seconds,

824
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 3: and that like I'm sure rarely happened. She basically said,

825
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: and I am paraphrasing here. We all heard the soundbye,

826
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: but in my head, what I heard was on a

827
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: scale of one to ten, how much do you dislike

828
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: your dad? And they're like ten, yeah, And then she's like, wow,

829
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: I had no idea this would have packed them that much.

830
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: And then that's.

831
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Worry there's more because she also talks about how they'd separated,

832
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: but her decision to presco on the divorce was when

833
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: he brought his new girlfriend over and the kids didn't like, Like,

834
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that. She's really diving into the detail,

835
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: and there's an ethical question there right about. We've kind

836
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: of touched this before. Is your divorce story your story

837
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: to tell? Like your side of it? But I would suggest,

838
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: if you've got a contract to be on Real Housewives

839
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, yes it is, and there must be

840
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: a supreme feeling of maybe not revenge, but satisfaction to

841
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: be now everybody can hear everybody's been wanting to know

842
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: what happened with Rachel, Zoe and Roger. I mean I

843
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: know when I say everybody out louders don't worry. I

844
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: know most of you have lives and you haven't been

845
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: thinking about this at all. But a lot of people

846
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: would be like, I want to know what happened, and

847
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: she's like, I've got the mic, so I can tell

848
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: my side of the story.

849
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Speaker 3: So he's completely out now. Because it reminds me of

850
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: when the best reality TV show Keeping Up with a

851
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Kardashians when Courtney and Scott broke up, but he was

852
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: like still in the show, like they very much also

853
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: gave him a platform to.

854
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: Well, who knows, Roger may make an appearance very that

855
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: would be good TV. Very interesting bit of gossip that

856
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: has also come out of Rachel Zoe's return to My

857
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: Algorithm is that she says in one of her interviews

858
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: that the first person she called when she knew she

859
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: was going to divorce Roger was jen Ghana, and the

860
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: host says that's because she had the best Hollywood divorce ever,

861
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, tell me more, do you believe

862
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: that she has?

863
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: Well?

864
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: They obviously, I mean, I don't know, but that suggests

865
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: to me that the financial settlement was pretty good and

866
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that they've obviously managed to do it without too much drama,

867
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: which is true. Everybody's always at headlines every five minutes

868
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: saying jen Ghanna and Beneffleck going to get back together,

869
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: and then they're just civil because they.

870
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: Always know they're more than civil.

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Speaker 1: They're always pictured together.

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Speaker 3: Remember when they went paintballing and he was holding her

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Speaker 3: by the waist.

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Speaker 4: Pr Wise, they have come out of this look like.

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Speaker 2: It's very jen Ghana really supports her sad little boy,

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Speaker 2: which is great for her, great for her.

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Speaker 1: And look, I know that celebrity life isn't real life,

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Speaker 1: but there's no question that what happens in those pop

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Speaker 1: culture things and on reality shows kind of trickles down.

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Speaker 1: So if there's that, as that writer says, if watching

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Speaker 1: the Triumphant divorce arc is making people feel better out there,

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Speaker 1: you know, the messiness of marriage splits, then that's got

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Speaker 1: to be good. So maybe they shouldn't put their kids

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Speaker 1: on Telly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she says, we never see them anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now we don't see him even less.

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Speaker 2: The writer of that cut piece says, we've witnessed men

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Speaker 2: embarrassed their partners and wives on Bravo for two decades.

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Speaker 2: It's cathartic that we now get to watch them break free.

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Speaker 4: Which I do quite like.

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Speaker 2: What I find a little bit funny is that every

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Speaker 2: time I've watched any of those shows, the men really

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Speaker 2: don't appear to want to be there, like they're involved,

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Speaker 2: so like they're only there because their wives are having

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Speaker 2: is a little bit ironic that now they're probably having

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Speaker 2: their reputations slash, their marriages be the main story of

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Speaker 2: the show, and somebody like Roger is yeah having the

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Speaker 3: Out Louders, thank you so much for allowing me to

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Speaker 1: Thank you out Louders for being with us this week.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our incredible team for putting

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