1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Woolworth's Delivery Unlimited. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: When we tell ourselves that we don't have time for something, 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: what we're really saying is it's not important and it's 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: not a priority. People with purpose and passion equals profit, 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: and if we put our focus in the first three, 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: the last one comes. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 3: So eighty percent of my life has to be in 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: balance because. 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: That brings calmness and organization and structure and all those 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: things that I like. But twenty percent needs to be 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: chaotic because that brings risk and innovation and fun and excitement. 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 4: They adore the good, bad and ugly. 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: The best and worst days will bear all the facets 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah. 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: I turned punentrepreneurs, wapped the suits and heels to co 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: found matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar CZA is a 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: series of conversations on finding a life you love and 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Lovely Yighborhood. I hope you enjoyed our Power 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: your Inner Runner podcast miniseries. It was such a pleasure 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: to create and I've loved seeing all of your learnings 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and reflections. I did have this second miniseries of the year, 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: ready four Years of Our Lives this week, but it's 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: been pushed back slightly to align with some official announcements 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: relating to the guests, so it's back to your regular 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: scheduling for now, but keep your ears peeled. Today's guests 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: is one of those people that I feel so lucky 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: to be able to share with you, because a one 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: on one session with such a trail blazing industry leader 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: is so highly coveted, so we're very lucky to have 37 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: her on the show. If you haven't heard of Colin Calendar, 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: you've definitely encountered her work through twenty years across iconic 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: brands Suzanne and sports Girl, thirteen of which she was 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: in the top spot as CEO. You might assume that 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Colleen was a born leader with her sight set on 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: something like an MBA to work her way to the top, 43 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: but she is all the more fascinating for not having 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: finished school at all and starting as a retail assistant 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: on the floor at Just Jeans. I also love how 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: she perceives leadership as a lifestyle choice rather than something 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: intrinsic that you have to be born with. You don't 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: have to be an extrovert or even in a senior 49 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: position to be a leader. You can work hard and 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: speak through your results, and she certainly has done so. 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: There's also some very useful reflections on burnout leading to 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: three months away from work, altogether touching on all our 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: favorite themes of unraveling our identity from productivity and achievement, 54 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and of course then the bold choice to step away 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: from the dream job when it starts to become a 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: comfort zone, to start a new chapter and restart as 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: a beginner. Colleen is such a delight to learn from, 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: and I hope you guys get as much out of 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: our chat as I did. Colleen, Welcome to Seize the yame. 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: Hello Sarah, thank you for having me. It's really wonderful 61 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: to be here with you. 62 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: Oh so lovely to see you. We did an amazing. 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Kids entrepreneurial pitch recently and I feel like I was 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: absorbing more advice than the picture. 65 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: It was so lovely to share that with you. 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: I don't know about that. 67 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: I think we actually were bouncing off each other and 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: learning a lot from each other, which was really nice. 69 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: But it was super fun, right, It was such a 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: great thing to do. 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: It was so much fun. 72 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: I was trying really hard not to fan girl you 73 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: the whole time. I've been such a close follower of 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: your incredible career. So it's a privilege to have you 75 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: here today and I've just poured through for the second 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: time your amazing book, Leader by Design. So very very 77 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: excited to pick your brains today and share it with 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. There's such kind words. Thank you. 80 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: So we will definitely get into your incredible journey. But 81 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: I like to start with a little icebreaker way asking 82 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: what the most down to earth thing is about you, 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Which is a bit of an odd question, but I 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: think in the digital age, we're often introduced to people 85 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: through their titles, and you talk about this a bit 86 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: in the book. 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: You know, through the. 88 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Glossy title or through the highlights of the story that 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: get captured by the media. But there's so much in between, 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: having kids, you know, trying to run businesses. There's so 91 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: much just normal stuff. And everyone is more relatable, I 92 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: think than you would ever imagine. So what's something really 93 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: normal about you? 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have to agree. 95 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: I think people look at your life and you know, 96 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: they get the one percent on Instagram or you read 97 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: an article and you know, people think is a life 98 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: of a CEO is glitzy and lifestyle and travel. 99 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: And you know there is a little bit of that 100 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: in there. 101 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: But I've got to tell you, I am the happiest 102 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: when I am at home with my family, sitting by 103 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: the fire pit, chatting with my kids, cooking dinner together. 104 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: You know, they're really the moments that I love. That 105 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: that's what makes me really happy. You know, going for 106 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: a walk with my husband. I love gardening. So you know, 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: all of that other stuff is really you know I 108 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: talk about the hat we wear, you know, the down 109 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: to earth stuff is what we do every day, the 110 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: stuff that really fills up that tank. 111 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: So for me, I'm a real. 112 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: Sort of homebody, I suppose, and my family is everything. 113 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: Oh I love that so much, and I think it is. 114 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: It's when people, you know, hear that you're a mom, 115 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: or you're a sister, or you're a wife, or you're 116 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: a whatever, and they can relate to you with that 117 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: hat on that. I think that's when your messages and 118 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: learnings cut through more because not everyone can relate to, 119 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, being an incredible CEO for six years at 120 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: Suzanne and seven years at sports Girl, but they can 121 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: relate to being a homebody or liking. 122 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: To walk your dog, you know. I think that's where 123 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: the messages really cut through. 124 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I agree. I agree. 125 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: So let's trace through what I call your path YEA 126 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: or your way to ya, because again I love to 127 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: go back to even childhood and sort of remind everyone 128 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: that you didn't wake up one day knowing this was 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: going to be your journey. That often there are so 130 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: many twists and turns, and many of them that often 131 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: feel backwards or you know, it just seems often like 132 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: people wake up one day with incredible sense of purpose 133 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: and they just are successful. But it's never overnight. So 134 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: take us all the way back to young Colleen, you 135 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: know at Sacred Heart, what your kind of big dreams 136 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: were I know you you know your parents were had 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: their own businesses, and I imagine that was a huge 138 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: influence on your journey. And I loved reading that you 139 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: worked at the canteen at the local pool and we're 140 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: on building sites with your dad, Like, tell us about 141 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: what you were like as a kid. 142 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: Look, I think two words that come to mind when 143 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: I think about me as a child. 144 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: I was shy, but I was also really curious. 145 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I did have this wonderful upbringing, and 146 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in Geelong and willed the 147 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: beach and I loved hanging out with my brother on 148 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: his bike. And you know, but one thing that we 149 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: were surrounded by the whole time through our upbringing was 150 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: this sort of centered around business. You know, my parents 151 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: had their own businesses, and so I spent a lot 152 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: of my childhood listening and learning to my parents and 153 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: watching them work both very very hard. And you know, 154 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: people would turn up at home Sarah for meetings and 155 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: this I was little, as this tiny little blond thing, 156 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: and you know I would. 157 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: Sit there next to my dad. 158 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: I would hope I was invisible, and you know, I 159 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: would just listen in on every detail. I wanted to 160 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: know about money and turnover and rent and investments and 161 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: costs of goods and buying and selling. So I was 162 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: so intrigued all the time. And you know, my father 163 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: was this workhorse and he still is today. 164 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: And you know, he was this. 165 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 2: Quite tough negotiator, and you know he definitely instilled in us, 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: both my brother and myself and my sister, this really 167 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: strong work ethic. And you know I can remember that 168 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: from a very very young age. So, yeah, as you said, 169 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: I just love to work. I worked in the family canteen. 170 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: My father used to say to me, I'm his canteen 171 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: manager by day, and I'm his bank manager by night. 172 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 4: I've read that. 173 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I would sit there at home at the end 174 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: of the day. 175 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: I was all of nine or ten years of age, 176 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: by the way, I would bag all the money up 177 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: and I'd put them in their little bags, you know 178 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: that you get from the bank and the one and 179 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: two sting coins will my pay for the day. So 180 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: you know, I had this high lucrative business going on 181 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: for myself at you know, nine or ten years of age. 182 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I do really go back and credit 183 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: a lot of that upbringing and you know, those foundations 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: of knowledge and discipline and hard work to really the 185 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: woman and leader I am today. 186 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: I loved reading that in the book, in those early chapters, like, 187 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: I think you get such a beautiful patchwork vision of 188 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: someone when you understand where it all came from and 189 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: the mentors and the family kind of you know, just 190 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: those values that have been instilled in you from a 191 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: young age. I love connecting all the dots along the 192 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: way and kind of going, oh. 193 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: That's how it all happened. Yeah. 194 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: But I also think, you know, particularly because there is 195 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: such greater access and visibility of now what people do 196 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: in their life, we can be really impatient. There's a 197 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, we're always seeking instant gratuity of finding our 198 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: dream job. And you know, if if you heard that 199 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: you're parents had had you working from an early age, 200 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense that you ended up being 201 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: a CEO. But in between, there was so much You 202 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: started out as a teenager on the shop floor at 203 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: just Jeans. Did you ever dream of being a CEO 204 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: back then? 205 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: Like? 206 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: What was your first entrance out of family business and 207 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: into your. 208 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: First actual career. How did it go? 209 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: What were your aspiration I was one of those teenagers 210 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: that would come home every week and be something different. 211 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: You know, this week, I'm going to be a. 212 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: Police for the next week, week I'm a hairdresser, next week, 213 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm a doctor. And I would have a different career 214 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: choice every single week. So I had absolutely no idea 215 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. But at the end of 216 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: my year eleven school year, I got a summer job 217 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: at the local Justine store, as you've read in my book, 218 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 2: and I was sixteen years of age, and I absolutely 219 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: loved it. From the minute I walked through the door. 220 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: I just loved everything about fashion retail. And at the 221 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: end of that summer, the area manager came down and 222 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: said to me, would love you to stay on with 223 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: the business. 224 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: And You've got potential were her words. 225 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: And you know what, sixteen year old young girl wouldn't 226 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: be excited about a big boss saying those words to her. 227 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: So here I was absolutely excited. But for me, Sarah, 228 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: I was, as I said, quiet teenager. So I knew 229 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: that if I wanted to progress in my career and 230 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: move up the ranks, that I really had to get 231 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: noticed through my results, and so I worked hard. I 232 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: did exactly what I saw my parents do, and I 233 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: made budget and I won competitions and I sold the 234 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: most le by jeans, and you know, I just wanted 235 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: to I just wanted to please, and you know, I'm 236 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: a natural people pleaser, and that started from again at 237 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: a very young age. But I just wanted to do 238 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: everything right and to the best of my ability. And 239 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: at the age of eighteen, I was promoted to the 240 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: youngest store manager in the company. At twenty I was 241 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: promoted to the youngest area manager. And then at the 242 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: age of twenty four, I was promoted to the state 243 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: manager for Victoria, running fifty four stores, and that's where 244 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: I spent my next four years. But what I realized 245 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: was that I really loved peace people, and so for me, 246 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: each promotion and I didn't realize this till much later 247 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: on in my life, but each promotion for me was 248 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: the opportunity to inspire and influence and impact people around 249 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: me and their lives and their careers. And so that 250 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: was really my motivation. And then in nineteen ninety nine, 251 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: I picked up the phone and it was sports Girl 252 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: at the other end, and I wanted me to come and. 253 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: Join their business. 254 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: And who could say no to those incredible iconic colored strikes. 255 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 5: And a very famous institution exactly, and so I joined 256 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: and that's where I then spent the next twenty years 257 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 5: of my life up until March last year. 258 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: And as you said, thirteen of those as CEO, six 259 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: at Suzanne and the past seven at sports Girl. 260 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: So it's been an incredible, incredible fun. 261 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 4: Journey, Oh my goodness. 262 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's something so important to remind people 263 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: of that you can find yourself loving people and not 264 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: be an extrovert. I thought it was really interesting that 265 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: you concentrated quite a lot when you were describing leadership, 266 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: as you started off quite shy, and people don't automatically 267 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: think if they're shy that a leadership role would necessarily 268 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: be well suited to them. But I think the phrase 269 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean you just said it then, was you got 270 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: noticed by your results. You don't have to be the 271 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: loudest person in the room, you don't have to be 272 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: the most talkative person in the room. You can get 273 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: in front of people in different ways, and that's not 274 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: often what you hear. You often hear I just had 275 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: the conversation and I just cornered this person and this 276 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, I got on the blower and I cold 277 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: called these people. But you can also, I think, put 278 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: your head down and butt up and just work damn hard. 279 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: And that was something I really took away that I 280 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: think people who were shy often siloed themselves and then 281 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: self select out of things, thinking that they're automatically not suited. 282 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: But I think that's definitely not the case, because you 283 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: can breed new skills at any time. But before we do, 284 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: get into the skills of leadership, because I know you 285 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: have so much value to share there. I know that 286 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: you ended up going full time into the business before 287 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: you had finished year twelve, that you had to go 288 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: home and tell your parents that you weren't going to 289 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: finish school so that you could take up this opportunity. 290 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: What is your view now on tertiary studies and going 291 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: to university, because I think that's something that's quite ingrained 292 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: in a lot of us, either culturally or just in 293 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: our own minds or from social expectation, But many people 294 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 1: have also made it without that. What advice do you 295 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: have for people who are feeling like maybe it's not 296 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: their pathway. 297 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: It's a great question, and when you go back to 298 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: that moment about telling my parents about you know, I'm 299 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: sixteen and I'm not going back to school. 300 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to sell jeans on the shop floor. 301 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: I think, oh, that it comes straight back to me 302 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: because I was petrified in the time, you know. And 303 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: as I did say that to them, I could see 304 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: with both of them this disappointment on their faces, because 305 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: you know, they had these incredible aspirations for me. You know, 306 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: they wanted me to be a doctor and a lawyer 307 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: and all of these sort of things that would have 308 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: served the family super well, right, you know, But in 309 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: that moment, my parents both said to me, love what 310 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: you do, work hard, give up, and so that's exactly 311 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: what I did. But you know, that question around the 312 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: university study is a really interesting one and one that 313 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: I do get asked given my path has not been that. 314 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: My path has not even been to finish school. So 315 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think, Sarah, there is a right 316 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: or wrong path, is what I would say. I really 317 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: think it's different for everyone, depending on what it is 318 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: you want to do. You know, I think about my 319 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: three children now, and they're all so different. Jake, my oldest, 320 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: has just finished a five year double degree and My 321 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: youngest son, Train who's twenty three, he dropped out of unit. 322 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: It just wasn't for him. He just didn't enjoy it, 323 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: so he went to night or instead. So you know, 324 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: I think if you need a university degree to follow 325 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: your passion, then that's absolutely fantastic. Go at it and 326 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: work hard and give it everything you've got. But you know, 327 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: I always say it's different horses for different courses, so 328 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: it's entirely up to the individual. 329 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: I think that's such great advice. 330 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously there are some areas like medicine 331 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: or you kind of want or you have to have 332 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: gone to university, and I would like my doctors to. 333 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: Have studied for a very long time. 334 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: But equally there are areas where it's not, you know, 335 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: the pathway doesn't necessitate that you do that. 336 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: And did you find that you've. 337 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Ever had to prove yourself because you didn't have that title, 338 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: or that it's ever disadvantaged you. And I also particularly 339 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: because it wasn't necessarily the age of entrepreneurship as it 340 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: is now, where you know, people are forging pathways in 341 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of directions, But back then, was it more conventional? 342 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Did you have to sort of sell it to people 343 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: or were you just working so hard that you proved 344 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: yourself anyway. 345 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it was part of the journey. 346 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: To be honest, I think I was just you know, 347 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: I was working hard and I got great results, and 348 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: again that was through people, and I always credited my 349 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: people for everything that happened. You know, if we won 350 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: an award, I would stand up and say, this is 351 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: not mine, this is my team. You know, this is 352 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: ours collectively. So it was really just my pathway. But 353 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: you know, as I said, I did that through empowering 354 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: and inspiring people around me. 355 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: It sounds like something you've always been very good at 356 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: and you need to do throughout your career. So share 357 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: some of that you're now, you know, kind of looking back, 358 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: I think often we don't crystallize those lessons until much later. 359 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: But looking back, you've compiled into this beautiful book such 360 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: a comprehensive guide on leadership and what it is and 361 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: what qualities stand out. And I love that you call 362 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: it a lifestyle choice. You're not necessarily born again talking 363 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: about siloing yourself. You're not necessarily born a leader or 364 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: born not a leader, and that's the end. You know, 365 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: it's a choice that we can practice and you can 366 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: grow into those roles. So how do you feel that 367 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: you grew into a leader? And what things do you 368 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: look for or think now you mentor other people as well? 369 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: How do you kind of train new leaders? 370 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: As I was saying, you know, I was a very 371 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: curious sort of young teenager and even a young girl, 372 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: and I was always really intrigued why people behave the 373 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: way they did, both good and bad. And I always 374 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: wondered why did some people treat others with kindness? And 375 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: why do some people step over others for self gain? 376 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: Or you know, why were some people caring and others cruel? 377 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: And why did some people create these incredible environments of 378 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: collaboration and others' environments of fear? And you know, without 379 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: knowing it, I was becoming this leader by design. And 380 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: you know, we all have the ability to become leaders 381 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: by design, both in our lives and in our leadership lives. 382 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I always say so, I don't believe 383 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: anyone's born a leader. I think we all have the 384 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: ability to design that leadership life we want to live in. 385 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: And you know, there are so many incredible qualities of 386 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: a great leader. I could list one hundred of them. 387 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: You know, it's about knowing yourself. 388 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: And you know, great. 389 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: Leaders show courage in the way they lead, and they're 390 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: incredible listeners, and they encourage collaboration, and they share their 391 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: vision with not just the top level of the company, 392 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: but you know, right through the organization, and they lead 393 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: by example. And I think the biggest thing is that 394 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: great leaders know that they're in service to others. And 395 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: I think that's really where so many leaders wrong. Is 396 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: a lot of leaders think it is all about them, 397 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: and it's actually not. Being a great leader is about 398 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: being in service to other people. 399 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I got so many fascinating perspectives out of 400 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: the chapters on leadership in the book that I just 401 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: never thought about. I'd never thought about that element of 402 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: service or you know, how that would change someone's approach 403 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: to leading. And I think often as you progress upper 404 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: corporate letter within an organization, or even as you progress 405 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: in your career as a business person, I don't think 406 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: anyone realizes in the early days that leadership is a 407 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: necessarily element that's separate to just doing your job. There's 408 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: doing your job, and then there's leading the people underneath 409 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: you to also do their job. And it's not an 410 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: automatic skill either. You're not automatically good at it. It's 411 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: a practice. And it's also something else you said that 412 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: I really liked was you used to look up to 413 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: leaders based on their titles, which is of course the 414 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: most obvious form of leadership, but often it's people who 415 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: just lead within their small sphere of influence. You don't 416 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: have to be a CEO to be a leader. Can 417 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: apply it to your friendship groups, or your tennis club 418 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. I think that's really really fascinating, 419 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: and I think one of the big things that I'd 420 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: love to ask you about as well is the fact that, 421 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: particularly at CEO level, only seventeen percent or maybe even 422 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that starts changed since you published 423 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: the book, which was I mean only last year, but 424 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: only seventeen percent of CEO as a women, How as 425 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: a female leader have you found striving to progress up 426 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: a letder? Has there been anything in particular that has 427 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: hindered you, has helped you, any particular advice that you 428 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: would pass on to younger women who were trying to 429 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of make themselves seen in an organization. 430 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: It's a fantastic question, and it's a statistic that I'm 431 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: super proud of being a part of, and one that 432 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: makes me extremely sad as well, because we just do 433 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: not have enough female leadership in this country, and in fact, 434 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 2: we don't have enough great leadership in this country, and 435 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: very passionate about helping women move along that continuum because 436 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: we need a much more balanced approach to leadership to 437 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: get the right outcomes. So for me, I was really 438 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: really fortunate. I know a lot of people around me 439 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: that haven't been as fortunate and have been in situations 440 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: that haven't been as accommodating and as nice as the 441 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: one I've been able to sort of work in, I suppose, 442 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: but I worked in a privately owned business In both 443 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: scenarios my whole thirty years in retail. Both the businesses 444 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: I worked in were privately owned and they were very 445 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: female centric, so it was very much about women supporting women. 446 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: And I was very fortunate to be at the Helm 447 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: for thirteen years. So I created the environment that I 448 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: wanted to get up to every day. 449 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: I created the. 450 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: Environment that I would have been happy for my children 451 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: to get up to and go every day. So I 452 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: was very fortunate in that circumstance, But I know that 453 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: there are many women out there that have had a 454 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: much tougher time than that and really struggle to move 455 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: up that corporate ladder. We need to be the game 456 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 2: changers for change. We need to be circuit breakers in 457 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: the way we view female leadership in this country. 458 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: And in terms of upskilling, to be able to fly 459 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: that flag and have the conversations, particularly if you do 460 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: find yourself in a workplace that isn't perhaps automatically as 461 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: female centric, or whether culture doesn't quite embrace gender equality 462 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: yet in the way that it should. How do you 463 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: mentor in your mentor meat program young leaders to progress 464 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: up the ladder. What are the things that you think 465 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: they could do to even put themselves forward. Like one 466 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: of the stats I talk about all the time, which 467 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: I saw in the book and I highlighted it all 468 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: over again, is that even institutional inequalities aside because of timing, 469 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: women will often wait much longer than their male colleagues 470 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: to apply for promotions. So it's not even about who's 471 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: good or not, it's the positions often taken. What are 472 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: some of the things that you counsel young women to 473 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: do on their journey sort of upwards. 474 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fantastic question and one I love sharing 475 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: with women because my job is to help change happen. 476 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: And I think there's a number of things that I 477 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: talk about and share in my Mental Meat program and 478 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: work with women on and you know, we need to 479 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: know ourselves and our value and our purpose. I always 480 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: say leadership starts with self, and we work on leadership skills. 481 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: But the number one or one of the biggest focuses 482 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: is building confidence. And I think that is really what 483 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: is holding women back again on putting their hand up 484 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: for that promotion, or asking for that pay rise, or 485 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: asking for a seat at that table, or sitting in 486 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: a boardroom and having an opinion because of this lack 487 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: of confidence that's holding us back. 488 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: So I work with. 489 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: Women around the myths around confidence, what holds us back, 490 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: and how to build real confidence and it can be 491 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: the real game changer. 492 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 493 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: The second section of the podcast is called an ata, 494 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: and I usually cover them separately. That's all the barriers 495 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to your joy, but I think it works here to 496 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: weave them in together because self doubt is often the 497 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: biggest challenge that most people identify. It's not the physical 498 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: logistics of doing their job. It's the mindset of getting 499 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: ready to do the doing that's like that can overwhelm you. 500 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: And I love again that you combat that silo mentality 501 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: in that confidence is also not you're not born with it, 502 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: that's something that's built as well. 503 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: So what are some of. 504 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: The strategies that you've used if you're having a moment 505 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: if I'm not worthy or I you know, don't deserve 506 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: this CEO role, or I shouldn't be in this boardroom? 507 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: You know? 508 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: Is it mentors that you turn to? Is it a 509 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: particular you know, pep talk you give yourself. How do 510 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: you kind of arm yourself against that doubt? 511 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fantastic question. I think the number one 512 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: thing we have to do is change our story, you know. 513 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: And what I do say to women is that we 514 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: all experience self doubt and self sabotage and imposter syndrome, 515 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: even the most seemingly confident women and people. You know, 516 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: we all have this inner critic that creates stories that 517 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: hold us back and really allow us to compare ourselves 518 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: to other people's success in their lives. And you know, 519 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: whether we tell ourselves I'm too young or I'm too old, 520 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: or I'm not good enough, or she's better than me, 521 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: or I don't fit in, or I don't have all 522 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: the skills. You know, we create these stories, and we 523 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: really need to interrupt those stories of self sabotage and 524 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: start taking control and really create more empowering stories that 525 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: really allow us to feel confident to take action. You know, 526 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: we really need to be changing that narrative for ourselves. 527 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: We need to know when that inner critic is sitting 528 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: on our shoulder telling us all of these negative thoughts. 529 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot of strategies, as you know 530 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: in my book, you know, self talk and changing your story, 531 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: and you know, building boundaries to protect yourself who is 532 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: the asset. And you know, confidence is contagious. Surround yourself 533 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: with confident people, talk to yourself like you're best friends. 534 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 2: You know, there are so many things that we can 535 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: do to build confidence. And I really do believe that 536 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: all roads lead back to that confidence. 537 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it funny how powerful doubt can be. I mean, 538 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: we don't even give ourselves a chance to see if 539 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: you could physically do the job or not. It's can 540 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: I mentally put myself forward for the job like it's 541 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: so many steps before. That mindset is the most important thing, 542 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: and the more you remember that, I think, the less 543 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: scary it is to think, Oh, I don't have to 544 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: worry about doing the job. I just have to get 545 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: my head right and then everything else kind of follows. 546 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Woolworth's Delivery Unlimited. 547 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: Before we continue, you all know I like to jam 548 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: pack my schedule and overdo it sometimes, so anything that 549 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: saves time, energy or adds convenience to our daily life 550 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: is a huge ya in my books. 551 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 4: That makes me so grateful. 552 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: To live in a time where things like Wolworth's Delivery 553 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: Unlimited exist and the subscription has just undergone some very 554 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: exciting improvements so we subscribers can reap more benefits than ever. 555 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: Delivery Unlimited is the amazing warworst service that gives you 556 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: unlimited deliveries with a month to month or annual subscription, 557 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: and now you can shop more often with a lower 558 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: subscription fee and collect additional everyday rewards points for even 559 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: more savings. 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Now, what would you 570 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: say are some of the things you're most proud of? Like, 571 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: with thirteen years a CEO, but also in upper management 572 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: before that and in a smaller family held business, you 573 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: can have a really evident legacy in what you have 574 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: changed about the culture or initiatives that you've started. Is 575 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: there anything you look back on and go in my 576 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: role as CEO, I use the power that I had 577 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: to do X and I'm so proud of that. 578 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many moments in people expect I think 579 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: when you ask those questions about tell me about your success, 580 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: and you know, they expect you to say, I was 581 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: on stage. 582 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: And I received the CEO ward and did this, and 583 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: you know that's. 584 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: Just so not what really floats my boat at the 585 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: end of the day for me, it was as I said, 586 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: it was always about people and watching people rise, watching 587 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: people do things they didn't think they could do, watching 588 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: people believe in themselves. You know, as I said, I 589 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: created this culture that people wanted to come to, and 590 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, it still talked about today with people that 591 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: have worked at Sports Guild during you know, me being 592 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: there saying what an amazing culture that that business had, 593 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: and you know that took a lot of time and effort. 594 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: Culture is not something that just you know, pops up overnight. 595 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: Culture is something you have to dedicate every single day 596 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: of your leadership life too. So I think culture is 597 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: probably one of the things I'm most proud of, you know, 598 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: for me. But you know, Sarah, people also talk about success. 599 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: You know what is what is that success? And I 600 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: always talk about and you know, some people it's power 601 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: and status and money and all of those things. 602 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 3: You know, I've never looked at it like that either. 603 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: And I have a bit of a weird brain. It 604 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: looks at things through a different lens. I suppose to 605 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: some other people maybe, but you know, for me, success 606 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: is about leaving this planet better than the way I 607 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: found it. And when I talk about that, that is 608 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: the way I can impact women and help you get 609 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: more women at the helm and give women the confidence 610 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: to step up and do all of those things. 611 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 3: For me, that's going to be success. 612 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: If I can be a game changer, if I can 613 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: change the narrative, if I can change those numbers, that's 614 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: going to be success for me. 615 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: And that's something we really focus on a lot on 616 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: the show, and it's actually the crux of the whole, 617 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, flipping seas the day to be Cca is 618 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: that idea of your metrics for success changing as you 619 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: progress through your career. They often start very not superficial, 620 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: but just one dimensional, very financial, very tightal orientated. But 621 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: sooner or later you come to the realization that it's 622 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: your life experience, it's fulfillment, it's joy, it's all the 623 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: moments in between. I can only imagine, and how many 624 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: highlight moments once you started to reevaluate you know what 625 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: matters to you and how you bring that to your work. 626 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: I can imagine there were so many highlights, But I 627 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: also know there were a lot of tougher times that 628 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: maybe even propelled you faster towards those big realizations than 629 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: their easy moments. Can you tell us before we move 630 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: on about what happened in two thousand and seven and 631 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: why you perceived yourself as a Formula one race card. 632 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well it was a very big year two 633 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: thousand and seven. I've got to say I was thirty 634 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: six years of age. I had three young children at 635 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: this time. Macy was just a little baby at two, 636 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: and Trent was nine and Jake was ten, and I'd 637 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: been at Sports Girl for eight years, and I was 638 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 2: acting general manager. 639 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: And I do I describe myself. 640 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: As a red Ferrari, And I read Ferraari that had 641 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: just kept going and going and going, and it got 642 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: faster and faster and faster until it couldn't. 643 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: And the problem with. 644 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: That red Ferrari was that I'd never put petrol in 645 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: the tank, I'd never put air in the ties, I'd 646 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: never put it in for a service. I was absolutely exhausted. 647 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: I was burnt out, and I hit a wall. And 648 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with whether I loved my 649 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: job or not. Because I loved my job. I loved 650 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: every minute of it. I just had nothing left in 651 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: my tank. And I remember it so vividly. I walked 652 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: in the door this night and I was a mess. 653 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: And I said to my husband, I'm done, and I'm 654 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: quite black and white in that respect. And anyway, we 655 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: had lots of discussion and it was very emotional, and 656 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: I went in the next day to resign and I 657 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: felt like I was going to take these big samd 658 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: bags off my shoulders, and I did for a moment 659 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: when I said those words, But lucky for me, I 660 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: got talked out of that idea and instead I took 661 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: three and a half million, four months off, which was 662 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: very fortunate, and I put that Red Ferrari in for 663 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: a well overdue service and a big dose of self care. 664 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: And self care was something I didn't even those words 665 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: didn't even spill out of my mouth, you know, I 666 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: didn't even know what self care was. So it was 667 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: the best lesson I've got to say in my entire life, 668 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: because it forced me to find balance. It forced me 669 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: to stop being a workaholic and own that badge. I 670 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: had this badge of being a workaholic, and I was 671 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: so proud of it, and so it really taught me 672 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: to do things differently and I had to pretty much 673 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: change the way I lived my life. 674 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting how many people who do make 675 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: it to the really upper echelons of the most successful 676 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: businesses have had some kind of big health event. Like 677 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I would love to say that people can have that 678 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: big realization preemptively, but often it takes that for you 679 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: to actually accept I have limits. Unfortunately, I do have to, 680 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, manage my pace, and especially when you love 681 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: your job. It's easier if you don't love your job, 682 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: because you want to stop working when you love it, 683 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: there's no incentive, particularly when you are, you know, in 684 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: the aiming to be in that twenty percent female CEO area. 685 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: Like your identity is wrapped up in productivity. So how 686 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: did you change your mindset to not see it as oh, 687 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm not doing enough, or I might become irrelevant, or 688 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: I might drop out of the race. If I taking 689 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: three months off is quite significant, how did you kind 690 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: of get your head around that identity change. 691 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. 692 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: Well, I kind of didn't have a choice because if 693 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: I didn't take that time off, I probably wouldn't have 694 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: had my fiftieth birthday this year, and I probably wouldn't 695 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: be in the great shape that I am today. So 696 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: I actually had no choice. I was on that train 697 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: to burn out. Town, and I didn't know how to 698 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: get off it. So for me, it was about putting 699 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: boundaries in place. It was learning to say no. It 700 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: was to stop being a people pleaser all the time. 701 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: I still struggle with that today because I am a 702 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: natural people pleaser. 703 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: You know. 704 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: I got myself a coach, and as I said, I 705 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 2: started to embrace this self care, which I had always 706 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: thought was so selfish. 707 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 3: As I said, I've watched my mum and. 708 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: Dad work so hard, and so for me, being a 709 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: workhorse like my father was the only path. So, you know, 710 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: it was really, as I said, it was one of 711 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: the best lessons I have ever had. And what it did, Sarah, 712 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: was allow me to be the best version of myself. 713 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: And I didn't realize how good I could be. I 714 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: thought I was being awesome back then. You know, when 715 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: you're good to yourself, what you're doing is filling up 716 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: your tank, and you have so much more to give 717 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: to other people. And once I started to realize that 718 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: that was probably the big game changer. It didn't seem 719 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: selfish to be filling my tank up. It was actually 720 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: serving others so much better because I was such a 721 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: better person. I was a fun mum, I was a 722 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: happy wife. I wasn't this cranky bitch that just wanted 723 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: to you know, that was just angry all the time 724 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: and tied and exhausted and had nothing left, you know. 725 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: So it really is a game changer because I could 726 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: see the transformation. 727 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 4: I think the burnout conversation. 728 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just think, oh my god, this is 729 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: so cliche, but then when you actually hear from people 730 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: like this whole podcast is a series of real life stories. 731 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: It's so recurring because it's an actual, widespread rife problem 732 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: that costs billions of dollars every year. Because you know, 733 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's the online world that's allowed 734 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: us to be connected more intensely and longer per day 735 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: than we ever have been. Our boundaries are just so blurry, 736 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: and then in the pandemic it was even harder. So 737 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's that idea of balance has become 738 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: more and more elusive. But I know that you don't 739 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: even really like using the word work life balance tell 740 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: us about how you like, what kind of value you instill. Instead, 741 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: you call it life in balance, and there's an eighty 742 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: twenty rule. How do you interpret it instead? In a 743 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: way that works for you. 744 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 745 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: This again, this is another gift out of burnout. 746 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: So you know, I had no balance of any description, 747 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: and I would do that this is my work and 748 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 2: this is my life, and you know, my work took 749 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: up most of my time. And so I came up 750 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: with life imbalance. And for me, we just shouldn't put 751 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: life into one box and work into another. They need 752 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: to be best friends, they need to coexist, they need 753 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: to love each other and live life together. 754 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: And so I started, you know, in my mind. 755 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: And I share this with a lot of women today 756 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: and help them implement life imbalance. I came up with 757 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: the eighty twenty rule for me, So eighty percent of 758 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: my life has to be in balance because that brings 759 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: calmness and organization and structure and all those things that 760 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: I like. But twenty percent needs to be chaotic because 761 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: that brings risk and innovation and fun and excitement. But 762 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: what happens is when that twenty percent starts to go 763 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: to thirty and forty and fifty, I know that I'm 764 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: not doing things so smartly. So I have to start 765 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: to get that balance back. So I have to add, 766 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: change or delete something. They're the three big shifts, add, change, delete, 767 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: and when I do that, I get those scales back 768 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: in an eighty twenty. And that's what works for me. 769 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't work for everyone that way. You 770 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: might be Sarah fifty to fifty. Let's say you might 771 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 2: want fifty percent of your life in balance and fifty 772 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: percent to be chaos. That's absolutely fine if that works 773 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: for you, as long as you know when the balance 774 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 2: shifts that you need to add, change, or delete something. 775 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: So pick your balance, it doesn't matter what it is, 776 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: but just know those triggers, because when we have that 777 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: life in balance, that's when we are absolutely awesome and 778 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 2: at our absolute best. 779 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a great reminder as well that your 780 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: numbers might not look like someone else's because I have 781 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: friends who can survive on ten ninety and the chaos 782 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: is absolutely fine. 783 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 4: It's not disruptive to them. 784 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: They thrive in that environment, whereas if I'm, like, you know, 785 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: anywhere near fifty to fifty, it's a total disaster. I'm 786 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: so unproductive. So as long as you're trying to identify 787 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: whatever your balance is and sticking to that, it can 788 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: be really easy to look at your friends who have 789 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: different stamina and in you know, comparison even slides into 790 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: energy management these days, but I think, yeah, just listening 791 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: to what really works for you and what doesn't, and 792 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: it's so much trial and error, Like it takes so 793 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: long to figure these things out. 794 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 3: Absolutely does, Yes, it does. 795 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: So after you know, an incredible couple of decades with 796 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the group and making it to that CEO role and 797 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: having that extent, you know, past a decade, it's so 798 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: fascinating that you then decided it was time for a 799 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: new chapter. And I think often on the outside, those 800 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: kind of shifts just look like leave in your dream job. 801 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: Why would you walk away from it all when it's 802 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: all going so well? But I also think people know 803 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: internally when they're agitating for change, Like you can feel 804 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: that it's time, And it's so hard to explain, but 805 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: people hold on to things for a lot longer, I 806 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: think than they need to because of the fear of 807 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: rebuilding your identity as someone else without the title, without 808 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: that safe structure of I'm the CEO of sports girl, 809 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: Like that's such a clear way to orientate who you 810 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: are in the world. How did you know it was 811 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: time and what was that big shift in identity like 812 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: to rebuild after one chapter ends at a new one starts. 813 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, look, it's an amazing question. 814 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: And I kind of look at my life in decades, 815 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: so my twenties, my thirties, my forties, and now what 816 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: do my fifties look like? And it is absolutely crazy 817 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: how quickly a decade goes, and in fact, it's crazy 818 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 2: how quickly twenty years were with Sports Girl, And you know, 819 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: at one minute you're at ten years, then you're at fifteen, 820 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 2: and then you're at twenty before you know it. And 821 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 2: when I resigned from my role, I actually wanted to 822 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: take a year off. I actually had my twenty year milestone, 823 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: so I was hitting all of these big milestones, and 824 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: you know that's often triggers for people to say, I'm 825 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: writing my next chapter, I'm doing something different. So I 826 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: had my twenty year anniversary with the group in November, 827 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 2: and I finished March. The following year, I was also 828 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: turning fifty, so for me, it was about time to 829 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 2: write my next chapter. And I'd actually planned to, as 830 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: I said, do my book, do some passion projects. I'm 831 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: on a couple of charity boards, so I was going 832 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: to take this year off, do some travel COVID not 833 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: and then go back into potentially another CEO role. I 834 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: just needed a change of scenery and a change of 835 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, doing sort of the same thing, I suppose. 836 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 2: So I resigned and I started to take some time off, 837 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 2: and COVID hit and it changed for everyone, and again 838 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: for me, there were so many gifts in COVID because me, 839 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: I tall, me women was born. I wrote my book, 840 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: which I had always planned to do. I started coaching 841 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: leaders and business. I joined asx board. You know, so 842 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: a lot of things sort of went on my plate 843 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 2: and I actually didn't have time to then think about 844 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: being a CEO again, you know, not to say that 845 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: I won't go back there one day. 846 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: Who knows. 847 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: You know, I've got plenty of great years ahead of 848 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 2: me in this industry, but who knows. But at the moment, 849 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 2: I just love what I'm doing. And you know, that 850 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: identity piece is a really interesting one because I actually 851 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: think about my identity not so much as who I 852 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: am and some of those attributes, but I think about 853 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 2: it as my purpose. 854 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 3: And my purpose as a CEO was to. 855 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: Inspire and empower and allow people to bring their best 856 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 2: selves to work every day, which then allowed an organization 857 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: to flourish, and in this next chapter in my life, Sarah, 858 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: my purpose is exactly the same. So my purpose is 859 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: to inspire women, whether that be through these incredible podcasts 860 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 2: like yours, whether it be through my book, whether it 861 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 2: be through on stage, it doesn't actually matter where it is. 862 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm still living out my purpose, and my identity actually 863 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 2: doesn't come back to being CEO. And I think that's 864 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 2: where we can sometimes get a little bit lost. You know, 865 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: when I ask in my mental meat programs or when 866 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 2: I'm coaching someone, you know, I'll say who are you? 867 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 2: And most people go straight to their titles. I'm a CEO, 868 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a hairdresser, I'm and they give 869 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 2: me all the titles and I say, no, but who 870 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: are you? Because they're the hats we wear, they're the 871 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: jobs we do. That is not actually who we are. 872 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: So I've never really had an identity crisis, I suppose 873 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 2: because for me, I'm just living out my purpose every day. 874 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's so well adjusted and balanced, because 875 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: most of us would have a total breakdown because I 876 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: think we do associate, you know, what we do is 877 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: who we are, rather than the fact that they're totally 878 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: different things. And something Lisa Messenger. 879 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 4: Always says that I love is that your. 880 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: Why stays the same, but your how is supposed to 881 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: change because you can have too much of a good thing. 882 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: And if you start to sort of not plateau but 883 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: get comfortable in that role, then it doesn't matter how 884 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: good it looks to everyone else, Like you need fresh 885 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: challenges and different delivery modes all the time. So how 886 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: has it been sort of transitioning into mental me and 887 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: writing the book? I mean, particularly with the last eighteen 888 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: months to two years being how they are? Is the 889 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: book that you started writing different to the one you 890 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: ended up writing? 891 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 4: You know? What's that whole process been? 892 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 3: Like? Yeah, well, my book. 893 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 2: I actually my book actually came out only in March 894 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: this year, and I wrote my book over I started 895 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 2: sort of playing with it while I was still sort 896 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: of in my COO role, just you know, on holidays, 897 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 2: writing notes and I listened to lots of podcasts and 898 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: you know, all of that kind of thing. 899 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 3: But I actually wrote my book. I went down to. 900 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: Sorrento to my holiday house, and I literally locked myself 901 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: away for three weeks and I wrote my book and 902 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: when I say locked myself away, I turned into the 903 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 2: Red Ferrari. 904 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,479 Speaker 3: I didn't sleep, I. 905 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 2: Know, and wrote and wrote and it's okay if you 906 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: drive the Red Ferrari like that every now and then, 907 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: you just can't do it all the time, right. So 908 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 2: I wrote my book this year and it got the 909 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 2: last year and got published this year, and it's just 910 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: been phenomenal. Like I just I love it because, as 911 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,439 Speaker 2: I said, my purpose is my purpose. I'm just doing 912 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 2: it a different way. So my book now, instead of 913 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 2: me as a leader reaching an organization, I'm now being 914 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 2: able to go broader and deeper and wider than I've 915 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 2: ever been before with my message. So you know, that's 916 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 2: been so wonderful. And you know, my book is sort 917 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 2: of part autobiography, so I share my life journey, which 918 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 2: is you know, sixteen to CEO again. 919 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 3: You know the woman and leader I am today. 920 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: But most importantly it's about inspiring and empowering women to 921 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 2: step up and have a voice and live with purpose 922 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 2: and really believe in themselves and find that confidence that 923 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: helps them live that life of fulfillment and happiness and 924 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: love and success and all of those kind of things. 925 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 3: So that's really important to me. 926 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 2: And then the second part is to inspire and empower leaders, 927 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 2: both men and women, because we actually need men to 928 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 2: come on this journey with us as well. So as 929 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm working with women, I'm also working with men, which 930 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 2: is great. But you know, we need to change this 931 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: era of leadership, and we need to create one where 932 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 2: we live with kindness and compassion and trust and collaboration, 933 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 2: and one where we put people at the heart of 934 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 2: everything we do. And that's what I've been doing for 935 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: a very long time. And so you know, my book is, 936 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: as you know, all about giving tips and advice, and 937 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 2: there's places where you can write, and you know, I say, 938 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: regardless where you are in that journey, I really want 939 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 2: to inspire and empower you to really live this life 940 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 2: and start leading in your own life. 941 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 3: It's really important. 942 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: I love how interactive it is for all the little 943 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: places to scribble down, because you're kind of bubbling as 944 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: you're reading, like having all these revelations and then it's 945 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: so valuable to have somewhere where you can put them 946 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: all but then also remember where you wrote it down 947 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: and testing, and I think it builds really towards the 948 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: end to that idea. Of really changing any metrics that 949 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 1: you had for measuring your life, how successful you feel, 950 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: and putting even things like you would think a CEO 951 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: would be so focused on the numbers and on you know, 952 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,959 Speaker 1: financial performance of the business, but also in their own 953 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: life because that's you know, the logical kind of way 954 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: that people have measured their life for so long and 955 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: measured success. But I love that You're like, no profit 956 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 1: is it's a byproduct of prioritizing people, passion and other things, 957 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: and that I think that's quite revolutionary, you know, like 958 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: people wouldn't expect that from a CEO for the numbers 959 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: to not be the first thing you think about. 960 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the numbers are so important, right, I 961 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 2: had great people who could do numbers for me. I 962 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 2: didn't need to do numbers. I needed to inspire people 963 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 2: to do great things. So that's again where a lot 964 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 2: of CEOs and leaders go wrong is they think they 965 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 2: need to be down on every single detail. Of course 966 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 2: I knew the numbers, but my job was to inspire 967 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 2: people to get to those numbers. 968 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 3: You know. 969 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 2: So I talked about profits essential. It is absolutely essential. 970 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 2: It's what innovates, it's what reinvests in business. It's what 971 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 2: does all of those fantastic things. But all of those 972 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 2: things that we talk about are driven through people. So 973 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 2: I flip the equation and I talk about people with 974 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 2: purpose and passion equals profit. And if we put our 975 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 2: focus in the first three, the last one comes. 976 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, the last one comes. It is just a no brainer. 977 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 2: But when we flip it the other way, that's when 978 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: we start to get some really interesting dynamics in the 979 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 2: way we run organizations, and they become a profit first, 980 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 2: people's second. And again, I never want to mislead anyone 981 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 2: that profit is essential in every part of our life, 982 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 2: you know, whether it be in our personal life or 983 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 2: in our work life. It makes the world go around. 984 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 2: But we have to focus on the people. They are 985 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,879 Speaker 2: the ones who deliver strategy. They are the ones who 986 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 2: deliver innovation, they are the ones who deliver great marketing concepts. 987 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 2: They deliver everything. So let's focus on the people and 988 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 2: the profits will come. 989 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 990 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: I'd love that kind of flip on its head. I 991 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: think that's something that a lot of people can take 992 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: into their own leaderships. What about forty five to thrive 993 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: as a concept in the book, what does that mean? 994 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 995 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 2: Again, this came out of burnout, and I used to 996 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: tell myself, Sarah, that I didn't have time for me, 997 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 2: and I actually think I was probably even a bit 998 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 2: of a victim. 999 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 3: I don't have time for me, It's about everyone else. 1000 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 2: You know. I've got an organization to run, I've got 1001 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 2: three children, so I had no self care. 1002 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 3: And here's the thing. 1003 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 2: When we tell ourselves that we don't have time for something, 1004 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 2: what we're really saying is it's not important and it's 1005 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 2: not a priority. 1006 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 3: That's what we're saying. That's what we're telling ourselves. 1007 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 2: And the truth is that if it is important, you 1008 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 2: will make time. You know, I say to the women 1009 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 2: I work with, if exercising is important, you'll make time. 1010 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 2: If creating a side hustle is important. 1011 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 3: You'll make time. 1012 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 2: If going to your kid's concert's important, you'll make time. 1013 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 2: But we just don't think about it like that. And 1014 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 2: I didn't think about it like that either. 1015 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 4: So you know, I. 1016 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 2: Would go for a walk and I'd get halfway and 1017 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 2: turn back around because I feel so guilty. I think 1018 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: I need to be doing the washing, ironing. I've got emails, 1019 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 2: I've got children, I've got so I implemented forty five 1020 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 2: to thrive, and it sounds really simple, but it works. 1021 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 2: You have to find forty five minutes in your day 1022 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 2: for you, and that doesn't. 1023 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 3: Matter what it is. 1024 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 2: It can be having a bath, it can be reading 1025 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 2: a book, It can be doing yoga, it can be 1026 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 2: doing some meditation. 1027 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 3: It can be just starting your day without any interruptions, 1028 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 3: without plugging in, just enjoying your first cup of coffee. 1029 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. But forty five minutes fills your tank. 1030 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 2: It will change your life, and it will, I promise you, 1031 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 2: help you thrive. 1032 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: I love that concept so much, which leads beautifully to 1033 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: the last section, which is plata, and that is exactly 1034 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: that idea of forty five to thrive, that there has 1035 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: to be an area of your life that is for 1036 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: pure joy that has no productive outcomes. 1037 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 4: I mean, it can have a productive outcome, but. 1038 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: Winning or learning or developing can't be why you're doing 1039 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: that activity. I think the more separate as well that 1040 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: it is from your vocation or your profession, the better, 1041 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: because your brain is like totally disengaged. And for people 1042 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: who haven't found them and who don't know what their 1043 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: passion is, I explained it as like what are the 1044 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,919 Speaker 1: activities that make you forget the time, because we never 1045 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: forget where we are in the schedule. But occasionally you'll 1046 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: find yourself in total flow where you've lost touch with 1047 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: time and space. And they're the things that like fill 1048 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: the Ferrari's fuel tank, you know there, that's the play. 1049 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: So what do you do in your forty five to thrive? 1050 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: Do you read or you're a TV watcher? Puzzles, board games? 1051 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: Like what kind of things do you do for play? 1052 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1053 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 2: I love to walk. That's my that's my fiel the tank. 1054 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 2: So I walk every single day. It can be rain, hail, 1055 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 2: or shine generally unless I have something early on in 1056 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 2: the morning, and my husband and I walk pretty much 1057 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 2: every day, or I walk with a friend and we're 1058 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 2: pretty much do ten k morning walks pretty much most days, 1059 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 2: five to six days a week, and that's what feels 1060 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 2: my tank. And people go really but that does. It 1061 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 2: gives me time to re energize, It gives me time 1062 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 2: to think, It gives me time to listen to podcasts, 1063 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: It gives me time to chat with my husband. So 1064 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,320 Speaker 2: I love that. Walking is absolutely my thing. I love Netflix. 1065 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 2: I love watching you know a series with my daughter 1066 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 2: or my sons or you know. 1067 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 3: I love that. 1068 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 2: I love gardening. I find gardening really therapeutic. And we 1069 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,280 Speaker 2: do all well, we love my husband and I love gardening. 1070 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 2: And people say, why don't you get a gardener? And 1071 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 2: we're like, because we love doing it ourselves. It's just 1072 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 2: like what we enjoy doing, you know. And I'm down 1073 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 2: there breaking my back and can't get it. 1074 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 3: I get it. 1075 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 2: I get it, like I'm one hundred and five years 1076 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 2: of age, but that won't sort of goes straight says 1077 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 2: why don't we. 1078 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 3: Get a garden? I'm like, because I like this. 1079 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 2: It's great, you know, but it's what fills my tank. 1080 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,240 Speaker 2: So again, family, that's my that's my real happy place. 1081 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 4: Oh beautiful. 1082 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: I love gardening. I'm so bad at it. Like I've 1083 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: actually gotten really good at indoor plants. Our outdoor garden's 1084 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: doing okay, it's pretty good, but it's just for joy. 1085 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: Like I usually have to win or like excel at things, 1086 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: but I'm like, I just do this because it's fun. 1087 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: I mean, the weeds aren't getting all their roots out, 1088 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: but that's fine. I had a great time. 1089 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,839 Speaker 4: It was great for me. So so it is so. 1090 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 2: Much fun and it does it just takes your way 1091 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 2: to another place. You just you're not actually thinking about anything. 1092 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 2: It's it's really quite amazing. 1093 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 3: How it is that. 1094 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: And you can't have your phone with you, like I 1095 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: think that's also really helpful for me that it takes 1096 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: up both my hands and they're dirty, so you can't 1097 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: be trying a multitask, which is again like something I 1098 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: think we all fall into the habit of multitasking a lot. 1099 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: What are three interesting things about you that don't normally 1100 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 1: come up in interviews or conversations, or that maybe aren't 1101 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: in the book? 1102 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, three things I would say. The first one 1103 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 2: is I'm Italian and I don't eat tomatoes. 1104 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 3: So that's yes, I. 1105 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 2: Don't don't eat tomatoes, which most people think that's a 1106 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 2: bit weird given you're Italian and everything has tomatoes. 1107 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: I know it's you're in your jeans. What does your 1108 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: dad say about that? 1109 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 2: I know, I don't mind tomato sauce. I just can't eat. 1110 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,439 Speaker 2: I cannot eat a raw tomato. I just can't do it. Wow, 1111 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,800 Speaker 2: which is like bizarre. What else would be three? I 1112 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 2: don't know if that's interesting, but I have toes like 1113 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 2: et the least flattering feature of my whole body. Every 1114 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 2: time I take my shoes off, my children laugh me. Go, 1115 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 2: you've got the weirdest toes, Like my second toe is 1116 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 2: bigger than my first toes. So then I'm never going 1117 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 2: to be a foot model ever, not in this lifetime. Good. 1118 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: I love that people have probably been wondering, you know, 1119 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: for ten years, why sports shoes or cleansed. 1120 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 3: I mean they are literally you would laugh if you 1121 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 3: saw them. Hilarious. What would be I am? 1122 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 2: Well, both my brother and sister are over one hundred 1123 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 2: and eighty centimeters tall, and I got the short gene, 1124 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 2: so I'm about one hundred and sixty four centimeters. 1125 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,240 Speaker 3: So we laugh. 1126 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 2: About that, I ioway said, and but I got the 1127 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,240 Speaker 2: brains and I got the good looks. 1128 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 3: And they're like, no, we got the whole three. We 1129 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 3: got the trifecta. We got two of them. 1130 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 2: So they probably three things that you know no one 1131 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 2: and know about me. 1132 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 4: They're awesome. 1133 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: Oh again, one hundred and sixty four isn't short either, 1134 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: So to be the short one in your family at 1135 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: that height, that's the same. 1136 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that must be really tall, yeah, very tall. 1137 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: And since I love quote so much, the last question 1138 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 1: is what is your favorite quote. 1139 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to use one of mine because I talk 1140 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 2: about leadership and I do this with the women I 1141 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 2: work with. I get them to come up with what 1142 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 2: is their leadership statement? And so my leadership statement is 1143 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 2: one life impacting another in a positive way. So that's 1144 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 2: my favorite quote, and it is in my book. And 1145 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 2: I think that, as I said, we all have the ability. 1146 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 2: We can all impact people's lives in so many different ways. 1147 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 2: We don't need a title, we don't need to be 1148 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 2: a leader. So my quote is one life impacting another 1149 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 2: in a positive Oh. 1150 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 4: I love that so much. 1151 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: And if anyone is listening and had decided that they 1152 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: weren't a leader or they didn't have it in them, 1153 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: this is so empowering that we can all have, you know, 1154 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: take leadership over our sphere of influence in our lives. 1155 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 1: And really, yeah, it's just so motivating. So thank you 1156 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: so much for sharing your wisdom and your knowledge. I 1157 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: am constantly just impressed and inspired by your Thank. 1158 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 3: You so much. 1159 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me and doing all the wonderful 1160 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 2: things that you do. 1161 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you are you know. 1162 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 2: I talk about women inspiring each other and women lifting 1163 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 2: each other up. And you know there is enough room 1164 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 2: in this world for every woman to have success. And 1165 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 2: you know all of the things that you're doing via 1166 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 2: your podcast and sharing women's stories is all about lifting 1167 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 2: women up. So keep doing the awesome that you're doing 1168 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 2: and just doing such a fabulous job. 1169 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 3: So thank you for having me. 1170 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. That is so kind. It's 1171 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 4: been a pleasure. 1172 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh. I've walked away with so much to implement in life, 1173 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: life in balance, the eighty twenty rule, and so much more. 1174 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 1: Colin's book actually goes into even more depth, and we've 1175 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: got five digital copies to give away, which I'll pick 1176 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,839 Speaker 1: from the best episode shares for this week, So take 1177 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: a screenshot of the episode if you're listening now, do 1178 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: it now and share any thoughts or takeaways you've had 1179 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: during this chat, tagging at colin Underscore Calendar and myself 1180 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,359 Speaker 1: for your chance to win. We should have the next 1181 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: miniseries ready to go next week, so hopefully be back 1182 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 1: with the first segment for you then. In the meantime, 1183 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: I hope you're having an amazing week and are seizing 1184 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: your yay