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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on well hire their quickie friends.

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Speaker 2: It's Claire Murphy here. I'm dropping back into your podcast

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Speaker 2: feed today with a very serious question, why the heck

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Speaker 2: don't close fit properly?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 2: I know sizing can be a sensitive topic for many

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Speaker 2: of us, and while we are often told the number

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Speaker 2: on the tag doesn't matter, we know it can be

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Speaker 2: really frustrating and even disheartening when your usual size doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Take it from someone who's bort clothing because I love

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Speaker 2: how it looks, but also have cut the tag out

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Speaker 2: because if anyone saw what size it was, I would

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Speaker 2: feel shame, which is insane. It's even worse so when

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Speaker 2: you've ordered something online and what shows up at your

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Speaker 2: door is basically a completely different shape or size. It

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Speaker 2: is endlessly frustrating. Well, Luckily, our friends over on Mumma

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Speaker 2: MEA's fashion podcast Nothing to Wear have been investigating what's

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Speaker 2: up with clothing sizes and they have made some very

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Speaker 2: interesting discoveries which we thought we should share with you,

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Speaker 2: including well you need to know when shopping for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Check it out.

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Speaker 3: Whoever said orange is the new pink but seriously.

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Speaker 4: Deserved Laurels spraying groundbreaking?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you.

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Speaker 1: Have to do it. You live for fashion.

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Speaker 5: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that

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Speaker 5: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.

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Speaker 6: I'm Lee Campbell and every week I chat to.

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Speaker 5: An expert who helps us work out how to get

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Speaker 5: more out of the clothes we already own and tells

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Speaker 5: us exactly what is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now,

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Speaker 5: this week I am joined by my new beauty co host,

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Speaker 5: Kelly McCarran.

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Speaker 6: You're not listening to the wrong show.

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Speaker 5: She is on Nothing to Wear and she has some

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Speaker 5: really interesting insights to offer. Kelly has worked behind the

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Speaker 5: scenes in fashion as well as being in beauty, so

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Speaker 5: she has a lot of insights and a few secrets

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Speaker 5: to share about why a lot of our clothes don't fit.

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Speaker 5: And look, there's a few rants in there. And it

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be Kelly without it. My friend, Kelly, welcome to

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Speaker 5: the show. Are you confused?

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Speaker 6: Are you in the wrong?

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Speaker 1: Very confused?

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Speaker 3: But as I just said off air, I was like,

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Speaker 3: oh I just will weasele my way onto any pod

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Speaker 3: that will have me because I love to talk.

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Speaker 5: That's not true. I asked you to come on for

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Speaker 5: very good reason. Before we dive into the topic, we

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Speaker 5: always start off with new guests asking them two questions.

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Speaker 6: Can you describe your style in three words?

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Speaker 3: Joyful would be the first word. I really love clothes

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Speaker 3: that bring me joy. The second would be comfort. I

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Speaker 3: dress very comfortably. I do not.

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Speaker 1: Like twite things generally, and.

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Speaker 3: I don't like any fabrics that are like stiff or

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Speaker 3: itchy or anything like that. And my third word to

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Speaker 4: You do it, it's just eclectic.

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Speaker 3: It's eclectic, and I really believe in dressing for whatever

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Speaker 3: I've got on, Like, I love a theme, and one

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Speaker 3: of my favorite things is thinking, Okay, what do you

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Speaker 3: have on this week, and then preparing all of my

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Speaker 3: The theme is the better. So if I've actually got

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Speaker 5: Oh that's my worst nightmare. So did you like dressing

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Speaker 5: up your dolls when you were like?

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, And I've always loved clothes, so definitely confused

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Speaker 3: because and I'm not trying to be mean to myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to say that it's not like you

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes that might be cool girl with my doc Martins.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's I mean, it's dopamine dressing in that

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Speaker 5: makes you feel good whatever its.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, And I love playing.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, the next question. The common theory is that most

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Speaker 5: people wear ten percent of their wardrobe ninety percent of

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so easy. So friend of you, beauty friend

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Speaker 3: would wear an oversized graphic or band teeth, bike shorts,

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Speaker 3: so probably like a mum top not okay, so that's

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Speaker 3: My bike shorts and my t shirts just get absolutely flogged,

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Speaker 3: If I am going to leave the house and I

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Speaker 1: All my friends that do it are like a rude.

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Speaker 1: Now listen, I wanted to get you on because it

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Speaker 5: You and I were in the studio for you be

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Speaker 5: early and I'm always online shopping, and we were talking

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Speaker 5: about clothes and you had some really interesting insights that

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Speaker 5: I hadn't thought about around size and how the whole

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Speaker 5: industry works. So that is why you were here today,

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Speaker 5: my friend. Can you share little bit of your work

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Speaker 5: life before you beauty? You've worked in fashion.

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Speaker 3: I have worked in fashion, which is a little bit

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Speaker 3: strange if people meet me because they're like, you worked

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Speaker 1: But it was not fashion. It was fun.

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Speaker 3: So and in the interview they said like, oh, what

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Speaker 5: Right, okay, and now you do a bit of all

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Speaker 5: and so do you. So you're here to talk about

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Speaker 5: So let's start with sizing. So we've got what we

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Speaker 3: and that's where you're not considered plus which is eighteen plus.

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Speaker 1: You're just considered mid size.

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Speaker 3: You're somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 3: So a sample size is what people a designer will

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well that brand won't.

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Speaker 5: So go back to when I guess a brand is

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Speaker 3: So that is the sample and then what you should do,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask about what's grading.

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Speaker 1: When you have your sample in.

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Speaker 3: process getting it made wherever you're getting it made.

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Speaker 1: Firstly you're choosing the fabrics as well. You're getting it made.

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Speaker 3: Then you've got your sample that's in the size eight measurements.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got to get a fit model in.

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Speaker 3: And a fit model has the perfect size eight measurements.

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Speaker 3: And i'm say perfect with air quotation marks. I just

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Speaker 5: That hip to bum to waste ratio that you see

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Speaker 3: And the funny thing is is that generally they're not

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Speaker 5: But there's a lot of clips. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: So I've styled shoots for a bunch of different brands,

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Speaker 3: There are four to six Australian, so the eights are

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Speaker 5: Okay, And that's why online shopping is tricky and sometimes

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Speaker 5: What are your struggles that sizing is so inconsistent from

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Speaker 3: I think that the biggest thing is that they haven't

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Speaker 1: Is that lazy? Because they figure people can get them

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Speaker 3: No. If I wore something that was the same as you,

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Speaker 5: Just stroke No, I know what you come up to me.

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Speaker 5: But that's why this method doesn't work. This method doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: And the biggest thing, I don't wear short things anyway,

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Speaker 3: Also, I just wouldn't bother because most of the time

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Speaker 1: Not the same as what's listened on the weather because

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Speaker 3: They just say like size eight is this measurement, size

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Speaker 5: Go buy my measurements so size that I wouldn't even

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Speaker 5: I'm just wondering how can we help people make less

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Speaker 1: But it's just waste of time. It is such a

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Speaker 5: When you're in the change room, you nake it and

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Speaker 5: Half the time I just sleep, well the thing is

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Speaker 3: I actually do like Zara. I'm wearing a Zara T

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Speaker 5: Yes, but the Zara symbols there's a little symbol on

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Speaker 5: maybe it's more conservative, there's more fabric there. The square

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe you just get makeup on things and you

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Speaker 5: mid size when shopping. This is just for everyone, though,

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Speaker 4: That the model does shoulders exactly.

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Speaker 3: My thing is is that if a lot of online

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Speaker 1: Are Yeah, but a few years ago wasn't that way.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that if you go on and

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Speaker 3: height is so important.

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Speaker 4: Height makes a big, huge difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a size twelve to fourteen in a five

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Speaker 3: It's also just a really great cheaper way for brands

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Speaker 3: They'll put like a size eight and a size sixteen

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Speaker 3: fifteen k minimum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can see people wanting to be represented.

440
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean you could shoot the one product

441
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Speaker 5: for six days just to get all the images.

442
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Speaker 1: For one item.

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Speaker 3: And these fast fashion companies are releasing on ndreds of

444
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Speaker 3: stars a week. Yes, so it's like that's just not

445
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Speaker 3: feasible for anyone. Yes, and cow a creator who is

446
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Speaker 3: like you, like you. And then because as well, like

447
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Speaker 3: I said, so many images, there's so much that's gone

448
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Speaker 3: into them. With a professional shoot, even if it's a

449
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Speaker 3: social shoot, if it's just someone like in their bedroom

450
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Speaker 3: at home, you can see the way it fits. Yes,

451
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Speaker 3: you can see like kind of what the fabric. You

452
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Speaker 3: can't alter a video that much. Like of course people

453
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Speaker 3: can feel to them.

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Speaker 1: But you really can't.

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Speaker 6: Don't bother. But also you have that two way conversation.

456
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Speaker 5: You can shoot them a DM or posting is there

457
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Speaker 5: much stretch or exactly go? And I think that that's

458
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Speaker 5: the joy of having online creators for anything, is that

459
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Speaker 5: they're just are regular people that are just wearing clothes

460
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Speaker 5: or putting on makeup, and you can ask them.

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Speaker 3: Ask them things, and it's a lot more honest, I think,

462
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Speaker 3: and you can really see what's going on. So if

463
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Speaker 3: you find people that you really like, follow them and

464
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Speaker 3: then they'll give you great inspo. And you can always

465
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Speaker 3: if someone's an actual content creator that's a job, ask

466
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Speaker 3: them say hey, i'd love you to do a real

467
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Speaker 3: best job.

468
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Speaker 1: I've got to recommend it size fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Like, I absolutely love it when people give me ideas

470
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Speaker 3: like that, absolutely love it.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, everyone, what's your handle?

472
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Speaker 4: I really do?

473
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Speaker 3: I just find it so useful and I'm like, oh,

474
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Speaker 3: that's what people are interested in.

475
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Speaker 4: You're helping people. Therefore it's very expensive.

476
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Speaker 6: How wonder are these.

477
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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 5: Listen, we usually end with foujie and budget. I'm going

479
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Speaker 5: to sit this one out. It's usually an item that's

480
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Speaker 5: expensive and an item is affordable. But I want to

481
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Speaker 5: use this week's Fougie and budget for you to talk

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Speaker 5: about websites, brands, labels, stores that you feel are doing

483
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Speaker 5: sizing in a good way. It might be their shoots,

484
00:22:03,094 --> 00:22:04,534
Speaker 5: it might be their actual size.

485
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Speaker 6: What have you got for me?

486
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately I don't have a bougie That's okay. I did

487
00:22:09,174 --> 00:22:10,854
Speaker 3: have a and I was trying to think, but I

488
00:22:10,894 --> 00:22:12,334
Speaker 3: was like, I just don't have one.

489
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Speaker 5: The thing is a lot of ossie designers only got

490
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Speaker 5: to size fourteen, which is absolutely.

491
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Speaker 3: Exactly and they certainly do not have any sort of

492
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Speaker 3: diversity on their socials.

493
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Speaker 5: And I must just say, before you your recommendations. Someone

494
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Speaker 5: shopping with my sister the other day. She won't mind

495
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Speaker 5: missaying that she is plus sized, she doesn't have kids,

496
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Speaker 5: she has more disposable income than anyone I ever know,

497
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Speaker 5: and she couldn't buy anything I saw and what a

498
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Speaker 5: miss for customers.

499
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Speaker 6: That made her feel shitty.

500
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Speaker 5: They're losing making money and there's a lot of women

501
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Speaker 5: that are her size. It's you know, it's outrageous. So

502
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Speaker 5: I'm with you there, Yeah, and that's what she said.

503
00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,774
Speaker 5: I have to shop online and there's some really great

504
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Speaker 5: affordable brands, fast fashion brands that get it.

505
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Speaker 1: I think in Australia, I'd say the Iconic and.

506
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Speaker 3: Chowpo do a really good job at showing a diverse

507
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Speaker 3: range of different body types. I mean they're both retailers,

508
00:23:02,374 --> 00:23:05,494
Speaker 3: they sell different brands brands, but I know that the

509
00:23:05,654 --> 00:23:08,694
Speaker 3: chow Pro Instagram they'll have different sizes and they actually

510
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Speaker 3: even often for their socials will use five differences.

511
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Speaker 1: How much I'm like that.

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Speaker 5: I don't even have an eight and a sixteen. They've

513
00:23:15,454 --> 00:23:16,774
Speaker 5: got like quite an arrange.

514
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Speaker 3: Check comments though, There'll always be someone going what about this,

515
00:23:19,934 --> 00:23:22,494
Speaker 3: and it's like you literally cannot.

516
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Speaker 1: Every single person in the world is different.

517
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Speaker 6: Let progress be progress.

518
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Speaker 3: Let progress be progress and also not everyone's always going

519
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Speaker 3: to be happy, So I really love that, and I

520
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Speaker 3: love on the iconic where you can really narrow down

521
00:23:33,294 --> 00:23:35,534
Speaker 3: what you're looking for. So if you're looking for swim,

522
00:23:35,534 --> 00:23:38,974
Speaker 3: where you can say like bigger busted and then narrow

523
00:23:39,014 --> 00:23:41,734
Speaker 3: things down so easily so you can find things that

524
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Speaker 3: are going to fit.

525
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Speaker 5: You, agreed, And you don't want to search something fall

526
00:23:44,454 --> 00:23:45,974
Speaker 5: in love with it also when it's sold out, so

527
00:23:46,014 --> 00:23:47,254
Speaker 5: I make sure it's in stock.

528
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Speaker 6: In my side, I always start to LIKEAST.

529
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Speaker 3: First, and I will just say though they both offer

530
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Speaker 3: free returns, but I think that we do need to

531
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Speaker 3: be conscious of that is also another impact on the environment,

532
00:23:59,214 --> 00:24:00,934
Speaker 3: So this is why we do need to try to

533
00:24:01,054 --> 00:24:03,214
Speaker 3: order things that we hopefully won't have to return erect.

534
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Speaker 5: And I guess that's why it's in their best interest

535
00:24:05,214 --> 00:24:09,294
Speaker 5: to show it on as many you're less so much money,

536
00:24:09,974 --> 00:24:12,894
Speaker 5: so they're both websites. Are you more an online shopper

537
00:24:12,894 --> 00:24:16,974
Speaker 5: than an IRL shopper? Oh one, because young family, or

538
00:24:17,054 --> 00:24:19,094
Speaker 5: because you find.

539
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Speaker 1: Online shopping is a bit of a dopamine hit for me?

540
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Speaker 6: Yeah, me too.

541
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Speaker 5: If you are going to the shops, do you have

542
00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:28,054
Speaker 5: your go tos that you know, you'll find something like

543
00:24:28,334 --> 00:24:29,854
Speaker 5: you're wearing the best jeans now.

544
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Speaker 4: I was like, Kelly, I love your jeans and you

545
00:24:31,014 --> 00:24:31,734
Speaker 4: said they're big W.

546
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Speaker 3: But they're big W twenty five dollars. I just I mean,

547
00:24:34,734 --> 00:24:36,574
Speaker 3: they're not that old. I remember I went into Big

548
00:24:36,654 --> 00:24:39,454
Speaker 3: W to get nappies one day for Lan and was.

549
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Speaker 6: Like, they're so good, not bad. So where were you popping?

550
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Speaker 3: If you're at the shops, I always do look in

551
00:24:44,454 --> 00:24:48,294
Speaker 3: Zara mm hmm. I love their basics, and I also

552
00:24:48,334 --> 00:24:51,094
Speaker 3: really like their kids clothes. Funnily enough, I like H

553
00:24:51,174 --> 00:24:52,894
Speaker 3: and M. I'll always have a look in H and M.

554
00:24:53,734 --> 00:24:56,094
Speaker 3: I used to really like looking in Glassons. But then

555
00:24:56,134 --> 00:24:58,134
Speaker 3: it's almost like they went too young.

556
00:24:58,374 --> 00:24:59,774
Speaker 1: Yeah, either I got too.

557
00:24:59,614 --> 00:25:01,334
Speaker 3: Old or they went too young, and they were just

558
00:25:01,414 --> 00:25:06,934
Speaker 3: leaning so much into stupid trends, like yeah, just silly items.

559
00:25:06,494 --> 00:25:08,414
Speaker 1: That I was like, I don't understand who's wearing that.

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Speaker 5: And the music's very Yeah, we're getting old, my friend,

561
00:25:12,174 --> 00:25:14,894
Speaker 5: I've never liked lad music. That was so insightful. Thank

562
00:25:14,894 --> 00:25:16,894
Speaker 5: you so much. There's so much I did not know about.

563
00:25:16,934 --> 00:25:17,094
Speaker 2: That.

564
00:25:17,294 --> 00:25:19,574
Speaker 5: A long way for the industry to go, obviously in Australia,

565
00:25:19,614 --> 00:25:22,014
Speaker 5: but globally in terms of getting fit right. And I

566
00:25:22,054 --> 00:25:24,414
Speaker 5: know one size does not fit all, but we can

567
00:25:24,494 --> 00:25:24,934
Speaker 5: do better.

568
00:25:25,214 --> 00:25:27,694
Speaker 3: I actually think AI might be able to help. You

569
00:25:27,774 --> 00:25:28,734
Speaker 3: just need to figure it out.

570
00:25:28,974 --> 00:25:30,814
Speaker 5: Well, you just scan your body and then you press

571
00:25:30,854 --> 00:25:34,174
Speaker 5: what you're made and it pops out the machine. Thank

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