WEBVTT - Simon Hill // The Proof, the plants, the pathYAY 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.400 If you're not putting yourself in the position where you're 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.840 a beginner and you feel that challenge and the butterflies, 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.240 then you're limiting your growth. But actually, what I love 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.039 is being a life learner and realizing how much more 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.040 I have to learn and also just how amazing we 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.480 all are. We can all learn so much more than 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:19.000 we think. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.480 Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.560 are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.360 makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.640 rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.440 one way. So this is a platform to hear and 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.960 explore the stories of those who found lives They adore 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.800 the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.480 will bear all the facets of seizing your ya. I'm 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.840 Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.239 fu entrepreneur whos walped the suits and heels to co 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.040 found matcha Maiden and Matcham Milk Bark CZA is a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.920 series of conversations on finding a life you love and 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.120 exploring the self out challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.000 Lovely Neighborhood, I hope you all had a wonderful double 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.360 long weekend and getting back into the swing of things. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.320 It does take the brain a little while to kick 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.720 back into gear. I had some very much needed downtime 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.520 in the countryside over easter with lots of wholesome analog 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.160 playta We did crosswords and puzzles and read books, and 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.800 my goodness, it does wonders for the soul. So often 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.399 you don't realize how fast you've been going, or how 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.960 hard you've been pushing yourself until you stop, and then 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.360 it all catches up on you. And I talk about 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.360 the relentlessness of our modern pace of life so much 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.679 on this show, and yet even with all that knowledge 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.319 in my brain, I still constantly fall victim to it myself. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.360 It's just crazy how we can get stuck in these cycles. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.440 So I am very grateful not only for our guest today, 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.440 but for the timing of his appearance, as he just 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:00.240 happens to be a world renowned expert in optimizing our health, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.160 our wellbeing, and our longevity and is exactly the person 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.080 whose brains that I needed to pick this week. Nick 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.360 and I are lucky to have been friends with Simon 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.800 Hill for many years now connecting through multiple shared chapters 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.640 in the wellness industry, including launching product businesses. This was 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.919 back in the Matchmaden days for us opening our plant 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.080 based restaurants at similar times and sharing in that experience, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.079 writing books, hanging with the hemswords, and then of course 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.440 entering the wild world of podcasting. One of us has 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.600 a number one best selling book and a podcast with 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.400 forty million downloads and counting. And I'll let you, guys 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.360 guess which one of us that is. You may already 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.919 know Simon as the brain's behind the multi platform plant Proof, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.120 recently rebranded to The Proof, exploring the health and longevity 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:50.640 benefits that come with mastering physical exercise, nutrition, mindfulness, recovery, sleep, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:55.360 and alignment. Simon is a physiotherapist and nutrition scientist with 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:00.480 such a unique ability to distill and translate often bluted, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.280 nuanced scientific information into snippets that are digestible pun intended 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.800 by everyday audiences, so that we are equipped to block 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.000 out the noise and misinformation of the social media age 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.519 and better our lives. I mean, who doesn't want to 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.040 live longer and better and be given tips on how 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.639 to do that in a digestible, easy to access way. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.480 You can see why Simon's is a brain that I'm 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.920 thrilled to have picked this week and why millions tune 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.640 into his content. This one is full of zingers, and 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.880 I hope you guys enjoy as much as I did. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.720 Simon Hill, Welcome to Ceza Sarah. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.560 Great to be here with you. Thank you for having me. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.960 Oh my gosh, we were just discussing before we started 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.480 recording that it's been many, many years, like maybe even 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.680 almost a decade since I saw you in the flesh, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.200 back in the homeland of Australia, which is not where 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.240 you are currently. But it's lovely to see you, my course. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.920 I think the big problem with having guests that you've 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.720 followed for a really long time and sort of lived 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.400 parallel lives that have intersected at very points is wanting 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.360 to distill that entire person and all their knowledge into 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.400 a single episode to just showcase everything that's incredible about you. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.000 But with like three hundred and sixty episodes of your 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.280 own podcast, a book endless knowledge in so many areas, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:18.280 multiple businesses, I've actually struggled a lot to decide where 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.120 to start with this one, because there's so many places 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.880 we could, but in most episodes I like to start 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.520 back at childhood because I think that as we get 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.960 further and further into our lives, we get clouded by 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.560 success and the rat races we're just talking about, and 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.440 sort of taking it back to the very beginning who 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.920 you are, when you're a blank slate, and then chasing 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.240 through all the chapters that formed you into who you are. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.800 It always is a nice place to begin someone's journey. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.839 So take us back to young Simon and Melbourne boy, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.320 what were your first part time jobs? What did you 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:49.960 think you'd be? 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.239 My first part time job was actually selling footy records 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.280 at the MCG no. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.040 Record, get your record? 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.120 I probably bought enough for you, how I con. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.839 It you might have? Yeah, Yeah, I was really big 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.080 into skateboarding actually when I was a teenager. So I 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.920 worked out that I could work at the football self 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.160 footy records, make some money, and then I could go 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.680 to the swyards. I'm not sure if you remember the 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.800 there was a skate park that it's gone now, used 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.040 to be in the middle of Melbourne and it's right 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.560 near Melbourne Central. So I would get off the train 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.160 with my friends at Melbourne Central and we'd head over 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.400 to the sour yards and spend all the money that 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.960 we'd made, like buying new skateboards. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.919 Or new wheels and buy food, and we thought it 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.559 was so cool. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:39.440 It's a simple time. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.400 So it was such a simple time. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.159 But I have so many fond memories, like with the 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.280 friends that I was working with and being able to 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.800 sneak into the games and sneak into the Grand Final 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.400 because I had a footy record uniform and I felt 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.520 so cool at the time. But that's where I kind 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.359 of cut my teeth with my first job and started 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.719 to understand money and the importance of money and the 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.000 fact that you could you could trade your time and 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.800 labor and in return get some money and then go 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.240 out into the world and spend it. But as a kid, yeah, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.599 and that's different to getting money from your parents and 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.400 spending their money. So he gave me a taste for 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.599 what was to come as an adult. But as a kid, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.359 I was a pretty curious kid. I was like the 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.840 kid that would always want to know how things worked, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.080 and probably annoyingly so, so I would ask my dad 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.560 and my cousins and my uncle, you know, everything and 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.359 anything if there was you know, some new piece of 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.200 technology in front of us, or a car or a bike. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.919 I wanted to dismantle it. I wanted to understand how 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:46.040 it worked. And my dad was really encouraging. He kind 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.560 of really helped encourage that curiosity. He's a scientist himself, 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.720 a professor now and now has been a professor for 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.640 forty years of physiology, and so I think I got 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.200 that from him. You know, he's obviously very cure, wries 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.880 about how the body works and biology and physiology, and 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.880 so kind of followed him down that path. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.280 Yeah, and I think he was very closely linked into 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.000 another sort of big pivotal moment in your younger years 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.360 that kind of shaped you on the pathway that you're 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.000 on now. I just listened to your episode of The 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.680 Imperfect that just came out two days ago, so I'd 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.760 been sort of doing my research and then was like, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.160 oh wow, this is so handy for me. I get 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.160 like a refresher of Simon Hill and you talk about 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.520 your I think you called it your on ramp to wellness, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.920 and there's sort of been several in your life and 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.320 that aligns really closely with what I love in this 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.840 part of each episode, which is tracing through people's earlier 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.800 years to sort of look at all the dots that 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.600 connect and how we think there's this linear pathway to 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.679 get to where we are, but really it's this mish 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:52.560 mash of events and slide indoors moments, and you know, 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.960 most people don't figure it out going forwards. It only 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.440 makes sense kind of looking backwards. But can you maybe 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.960 take us to that event at fifteen where this passion 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.200 for wellness kind of really was sparked. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.960 Yeah, So I think up until the age of fifteen, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.240 I sort of just thought health was a given. I 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.800 hadn't been around anyone. My grandparents were still alive, and 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.080 I hadn't had a family member or pass away or 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.840 had any real serious health issue. And when I was fifteen, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.000 on this particular day, we were living in Melbourne or 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.320 outside of Melbourne, and on the weekends, my dad and 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.640 myself and my brother would often go out to the 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:36.800 Yarra Valley, a wine region, and on this Sunday it 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.360 was just my dad and I and we were having 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.080 a great day driving around in his MGB, which is 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:49.240 this convertible British sports car, and visiting wineries and being curious. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.520 I remember we used to ask the wine makers so 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.079 many questions. I really got to appreciate how wine was made. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.959 And it was also not the first time. But memories 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.400 of the wine makers and this I digress here, but 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.480 wine makers like their face lighting up when people were 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.040 really inquiring about what it is they do. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:11.720 So I think back. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.680 About that now and I'm like, yeah, gosh, you know, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.199 those people probably felt really seen because we would often 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.720 go to these little tiny wineries, not the bee ones, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.839 and spend like my dad would just we'd sit there 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.400 for like hours. And on this day, we were driving 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.040 back home to Kinglake where my dad lived, and he 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.520 started to get some chest pain and I could tell 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.880 that he was uncomfortable. Asked him if he was okay, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.280 and he said that he has chest pain, but he 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.320 kind of played it down, and we proceeded to go 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:40.959 home and cooked dinner. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:42.959 He seemed fine. I went to. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.920 Bed, and in the early hours of the following morning, 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.240 I woke up to noise in the kitchen and thought 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.520 I'd better go out and see what was happening. And 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.720 by the time I got out to the kitchen, my 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.480 dad was there with the phone. He was on his knees, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.160 he was out of breath. I can remember this vividly, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:08.360 and he had called triple zero, and by that time 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.280 he could no longer deny what was happening. He was 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.440 having a heart attack. My dad studies cardiovascular risk factors. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.160 They knew exactly what was happening. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.079 The strength of denial. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.960 I think it's pretty common among men to kind of 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.959 wait until the last minute to go and see a doctor, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:32.720 and this was like really waiting until the last minute. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.040 And so he pushed it to write to the limits. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.520 And I ended up speaking with the paramedic and just 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.560 explaining like what his state was. And we were in 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.880 King Lake, and this was a while back. So now 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.160 I imagine it's quite developed out between Bundur and King Lake, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.160 but there wasn't actually much back then. It was a 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.920 lot of paddocks and country farms, and the nearest hospital 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.080 was a little while away. So they said, we're going 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.560 to send a helicopter, and before I knew it, there 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.559 was a helicopter. There was paramedics inside the house, putting 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.000 him up on the stretcher and attaching all sorts of 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.280 different cords and cables and measuring vitals and all these 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.520 sorts of things, and then they whisked him away and 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.080 took him in the helicopter. That wasn't room for me, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:25.480 so I trailed in the ambulance by car, and my 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:26.760 mom and my brother. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:27.960 They were in Alpham. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.120 Because my parents were divorced, so I called them and 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.080 explained what was happening, and so they then met started 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.640 driving and met me at the hospital. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.920 Oh my gosh, you were fifteen by yourself. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.360 Yeah, So it was just that was just me kind 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.280 of dealing with all of that, and I don't think 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.600 I really realized until like maybe fifteen years down the 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.880 track that that was like quite a traumatic experience to 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.920 sort of see a loved one, you know, my dad, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.200 my hero, who all of a sudden his health is 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.160 crumbling and you don't know if he's going to live. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.920 And we waited at the hospital and the doctor came 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.920 out and let us know that my dad had had 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.000 a very severe heart attack. He was forty one, and 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:14.040 he wasn't on any prescription medications and had no diagnosed conditions, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.800 so it was kind of out of the blue, very unexpected, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.280 and they had managed to save his life, which was 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.680 like obviously the most important thing that we cared about 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.520 at that point. In time, and then he walked us 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.560 through my dad's prognosis and said that he would likely 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.440 be on certain medications for the rest of his life, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.160 and that my brother and I, being young men essentially 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.640 I was fifteen, my brother about eighteen, would really need 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.839 to keep you an eye on this because cardiovascular disease 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.120 runs in families, and that we kind of walked away 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:54.640 from that event for many, many years, sort of holding 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:59.280 this limiting belief that we'd been dealt this dodgy card 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.480 essentially your cards, and so we had these genes that 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.240 you know, led to our father who seemed healthy. He 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.640 wasn't from the outside. He wasn't someone that was going 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.280 and eating McDonald's and hungry Jackson. He wasn't OBEs. My 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:17.320 dad was representative of a typical Australian father. He was 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.520 someone who was probably a little stressed from work and 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.520 trying to earn enough money. But he exercised, you know, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.560 three or four days a week. He tried to eat 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.880 whole foods. He wasn't eating a whole lot of junk food. 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.400 And he didn't smoke, and he drank you know, I 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.559 guess I'd say like the average amount of alcohol for 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.520 an Australian, which is probably too much. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.360 I was going to say relative globally, probably a little 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.160 bit side the average. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.360 Yeah, let's just say it's a little high, but still 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.000 unexpected at forty one. Right at forty one, you are 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.920 still very much, you know, middle aged young. You're not 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.160 expecting to have a heart attack or a stroke or 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.640 any type of significant cardiac event. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.839 And it wasn't until many, many years later. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.920 When I had gone to university and started understanding science, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:13.160 that I was able to better understand the role of 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:20.760 genetics and lifestyle our environment. And so while I probably 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.200 do have some genes that are kind of stacking the 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.360 deck against me from a cardiovascular disease point of view, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.160 the main reason that cardiovascid disease actually runs in families 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:36.920 is not genetic. It's that families typically adopt the same lifestyles. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.040 When you double click and deal a little deeper into 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.480 the research, sure, genes probably count for about twenty percent 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.840 of your health fate and risk of chronic disease, but 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.000 the other eighty percent is influenced by the choices that 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:54.000 you do or don't make. And discovering that kind of 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.080 flipped the I guess the narrative. And I haven't really 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.160 ever thought about this, but I probably had a bit 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.480 of a victim narrative. You know, I was probably not 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.040 in a very empowered position, and then when I had 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.840 that information, it changed to me saying, Okay, I have 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.320 these genes, but I kind of can accept a lot 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.400 of responsibility here and understand that I have a lot 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.040 of power. And that was, you know, a very empowering 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.600 moment for me, and it led to everything I'm pursuing 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.640 now and kind of provides a purpose for why I 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.120 have the conversations I have, so that the everyday person 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.760 out there can also feel that empowerment and understand that 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.880 they you know, they may have genes that are predisposing 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.320 them to breast cancer or to prostate cancer or if 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.320 you're like me, having a heart attack, but there's there's 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.280 a lot you can do to stop those genes being 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.040 expressed and really reduce your risk of having those diseases 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.240 affect your life. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.440 I loved that. I mean, I've heard you sort of 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.040 speak to that statistic quite a lot, that eighty twenty split, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.360 and it fascinates me in quite a unique way because 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.960 I think you probably already know that I'm adopted, and 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.280 so I've never had the full picture of our genetics. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.080 Nick's mother is also adopted, so we both have like 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.560 a bit of a mystery in our genetic makeup. And 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.200 often when I'm asked, have you ever gone to find 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.760 your birth parents and medical history? You know, have you 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.720 wanted that picture? I've actually often. I mean there's lots 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.320 of sort of social and emotional parts of that conversation, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.480 but in the health area alone, when I did twenty 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.520 three in me the DNA testing, I wanted to know 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.200 my ethnic makeup, but I didn't want to know if 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.760 I had a predisposition to anything because of that exact reason. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.440 I thought, if it's bad, it's not guaranteed, but it's 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.440 going to make me think I've been dealt these cards, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.360 and I'll focus on it rather than knowing that that 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.480 eighty percent I'm empowered to change within that sphere of influence, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.440 it's massive, and I didn't want to know that, you know, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.920 have this like, yeah, this opportunity to become a VG 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.800 them to the cards I've dealt. And I think that 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.760 the message that you have in health is also really 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.400 well extrapolated to life, is it? Sometimes you think you've 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.639 had this bad luck because of your circumstances, but you 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.680 can change so much more of it than you think. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.240 You think. I'm shy, I can't public speak, I'm short, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.000 I can't be a model. You know, there's all these 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.439 things that we think silo our choices in life. But 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.200 maybe that's twenty percent of the picture. But that eighty 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.800 percent you can work with with your lifestyle, with your choices, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.000 with the mindset that you take. And when you said 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.520 that in the Imperfect episode, I just was like writing 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.320 down furiously. I'm like, oh my god, eighty twenty people 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.120 need to know this. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.040 I agree with you. We can really limit ourselves and 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.720 put ourselves in a box. We can become defined by 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.600 something like those things that you just mentioned there. I 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.800 will say, in speaking to many people about this idea 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.880 of doing genetic testing, it's funny because I think personality 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:55.359 I play a role. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:55.959 You know. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.159 There are some people who at least the feedback that 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.399 they've given me is that going out and doing a 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.320 genetic test and they found out they had like two 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.480 copies of APO E four, which it means that you 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.240 have significantly higher risk of dementia. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:12.960 And I'm not. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.440 Sure if you watched Limitless with Chris Hemsworth, but that 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.680 was one of the key for like a focal point 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.640 of that that documentary was his work with doctor Peter Attia. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.960 They did genetic testing discovered he had two of those copies, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.119 And I think it can go both ways. So I 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.080 agree with that. I think there's certain people that do 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.800 not do well with that information, and so you have 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.239 to know yourself. And if you think that that is 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.080 going to limit you and perhaps lead to a kind 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.639 of more of a victim mindset than genetic testing, is 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.919 probably not for you. But then there is the person 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.479 out there who just wants to know all of the 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:53.359 information and he wants to prove people wrong, and so 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.760 finding out they have two copies of Apoe four provides 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.000 all the motivation they need. And that type of person 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.600 is also the type of person you know. It's very 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.480 hard to get people to adopt a healthy lifestyle. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.080 But one of the. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:12.639 Ways that I've at least seen that helps people is 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.800 either they go through a very serious have a very 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.160 serious event themselves, or they see someone directly like I did. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.920 And if you don't, then your why may. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.680 Not be strong enough for you to sustain the changes 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.080 that you make. So for someone who hasn't had a 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.000 severe health event themselves or hasn't seen a close to 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.239 a loved one, it might be the generating testing that 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:41.119 does provide the motivating piece for them. But I totally 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.919 agree with you that you know, I know people in 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.200 my life that it would just be too much information 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:47.399 for some people. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.480 So funny that you said that, And my reason for 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.879 my reaction just then was because I had scrapped whatever 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.679 my next question was and typed just as we're writing 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.280 before that idea of I think you and I have 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.879 been in the wellness industry for it, and had our 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.320 podcast for a similar amount of time. We've kind of 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.639 navigated through the big changes that have happened in the space, 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.560 and one of the things I've often found that we 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:12.440 all share in common is some big pivotal event, which 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.119 is often a crisis. It's very rarely a big positive event. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.679 It's always some kind of physical breakdown of ourselves or 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.480 someone else, and then a passion to share enough information 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.639 with others so they don't need that kind of crisis 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.560 to make a change that they can preempt it and 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.960 learn by not by doing, but by seeing, so that 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.560 they don't have to have a breakdown like all of us. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:35.919 I think there was a stage in the wellness industry 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.480 where every single person's book was like such a similar 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.720 format because we all were speaking to this I had 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.159 this aha moment, and I hope that you know, we 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.159 don't all need to have that to sort of but 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.560 I do take your point that for some people you 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.600 don't take it seriously until you know you're at risk, 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.359 and so that information can be really empowering. So I absolutely, 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.000 in no way, anyone listening I'm encouraging you not to 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.760 get a DNA test to get more information if that 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.439