WEBVTT - Trump. This Changes Everything. 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.367 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:18.727 --> 0:00:21.847 It's a Woman's Will. Lucky to be. 0:00:23.167 --> 0:00:32.887 Ah, Hello, and welcome to Mamma Mia. Out loud. It's 0:00:32.927 --> 0:00:35.567 what women are actually talking about on Monday, the fifteenth 0:00:35.567 --> 0:00:35.967 of July. 0:00:36.127 --> 0:00:38.167 I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm mea Friedman, and. 0:00:38.127 --> 0:00:40.647 I'm Jesse Stevens. And I went to actually message our 0:00:40.687 --> 0:00:43.367 producer and say, silly, silly, you've got the date wrong 0:00:43.527 --> 0:00:45.207 because I couldn't believe it was the fifteenth of July. 0:00:45.687 --> 0:00:48.527 I wanted to say to her, Oh, no, that's wrong. 0:00:48.567 --> 0:00:49.527 When did you think it was? 0:00:49.887 --> 0:00:51.927 I don't know, the second of June or something. 0:00:52.127 --> 0:00:53.407 Yeah, that's fair. 0:00:53.527 --> 0:00:57.687 We're racing through, yeah, through this year, and thank god 0:00:57.887 --> 0:01:00.887 because i'd like it to be over already. On the 0:01:01.007 --> 0:01:04.767 show today, the bullet that missed former President Trump but 0:01:04.927 --> 0:01:09.327 changed everything about the American election. Also, It's a Woman's Will, 0:01:09.527 --> 0:01:12.407 and we're waving drills while wearing teeny tiny bikinis and 0:01:12.447 --> 0:01:15.247 putting petrol in our butts. It's Katy Perry's come back 0:01:15.327 --> 0:01:18.847 and you're living in it. And Vail Shannondoherty, who was 0:01:18.967 --> 0:01:21.727 very clear that haters were not going to be welcome 0:01:21.767 --> 0:01:24.647 at her funeral, a rule that likely means her husband 0:01:24.687 --> 0:01:28.407 is not invited. But first at least eight shots in 0:01:28.607 --> 0:01:30.207 just a few seconds. 0:01:30.247 --> 0:01:32.527 That may change America forever. 0:01:32.927 --> 0:01:33.967 Take a look at what happened. 0:01:41.367 --> 0:01:44.767 Former US President Donald Trump has survived an attempt on 0:01:44.807 --> 0:01:47.967 his life at a campaign rally. The FBI says it 0:01:48.047 --> 0:01:50.727 is treating the shooting as an assassination attempt. 0:01:50.807 --> 0:01:53.367 Law enforcement officials say the person who opened fired was 0:01:53.487 --> 0:01:55.527 twenty year old Thomas Matthew Crooks. 0:01:55.647 --> 0:02:01.047 We are not enemies. We're neighbors. We're friends, co workers, citizens, 0:02:01.367 --> 0:02:05.407 and most importantly, we are fellow Americans. We must stand together. 0:02:05.687 --> 0:02:08.487 There is no place in America for this kind of violence, 0:02:08.967 --> 0:02:14.407 for any violence, ever, period, no exceptions. We can allow 0:02:14.447 --> 0:02:17.927 this violence to be normalized. You know, the political regular 0:02:17.967 --> 0:02:21.647 this country has gotten very heated. It's time to call 0:02:21.727 --> 0:02:22.087 it down. 0:02:22.487 --> 0:02:25.767 Yesterday, Donald Trump survived an attempt on his life and 0:02:25.807 --> 0:02:29.807 it's changed everything about the American election. We very much 0:02:29.887 --> 0:02:32.127 doubt that you haven't heard about this, but we're here 0:02:32.167 --> 0:02:34.607 to fill in some gaps and unpack some smart people's 0:02:34.647 --> 0:02:39.087 opinions about what comes next. Former President Trump was speaking 0:02:39.127 --> 0:02:41.967 at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, at about six o'clock 0:02:41.967 --> 0:02:43.647 on Saturday evening US time. 0:02:43.807 --> 0:02:44.047 Now. 0:02:44.207 --> 0:02:48.367 Butler is a smallish regional community on the outskirts of Pittsburgh, 0:02:48.607 --> 0:02:50.767 and he was talking in a kind of like show 0:02:50.887 --> 0:02:54.447 ground space usually used for the town's very popular farm show, 0:02:54.767 --> 0:02:57.167 and experts say that that kind of space in a 0:02:57.247 --> 0:03:01.167 rural area with very few surrounding buildings is actually should 0:03:01.207 --> 0:03:03.687 be much easier to secure than if you were in 0:03:03.727 --> 0:03:05.527 a city or any kind of place that had lots 0:03:05.527 --> 0:03:08.927 of overlooking buildings. So in theory, it's a relatively easy 0:03:08.927 --> 0:03:12.887 to see cure spot. All the same alone, gunman on 0:03:12.967 --> 0:03:15.607 the roof of a car park aimed his ar style 0:03:15.767 --> 0:03:19.367 rifle at the former president and took several shots. One 0:03:19.487 --> 0:03:22.807 whiz passed his ear, nicking it and causing the former 0:03:22.847 --> 0:03:25.927 president to duck and for his Secret Service agents to 0:03:25.967 --> 0:03:27.887 do what they're paid to do and pile on top 0:03:27.967 --> 0:03:29.887 of him to take any further bullets. 0:03:30.127 --> 0:03:34.527 I found those images incredibly moving. Isn't necessarily the right word, 0:03:34.607 --> 0:03:38.167 but it really made me think about what they do 0:03:38.487 --> 0:03:42.087 every day. Like that instinct, It's like Keny first responders, right. 0:03:42.527 --> 0:03:45.127 Your instinct is to move away from danger, but they 0:03:45.287 --> 0:03:50.847 literally put their body between the person they're protecting and danger. 0:03:51.367 --> 0:03:54.167 There were no further bullets because a sniper had shot 0:03:54.167 --> 0:03:56.967 and killed the gunman, twenty year old Thomas Crooks, but 0:03:57.127 --> 0:03:59.487 not before his bullets took the life of a man 0:03:59.567 --> 0:04:03.767 attending the rally, fifty year old Corey Compartori. Then, and 0:04:03.807 --> 0:04:06.047 this is the part that you've seen over and over 0:04:06.167 --> 0:04:08.407 on your phone's TV screens and on the front of 0:04:08.447 --> 0:04:12.167 every newspaper in the world today. As Trump is ushered off, 0:04:12.287 --> 0:04:14.927 he shakes off his service agents to rise head and 0:04:14.967 --> 0:04:17.567 shoulders above them, which is, by the way, very much 0:04:17.567 --> 0:04:19.967 against protocol. The whole point is that they're supposed to 0:04:20.607 --> 0:04:23.047 cover you, so that if there are more bullets coming, 0:04:23.047 --> 0:04:25.127 more gunmen there, they will get the shots, not you. 0:04:25.647 --> 0:04:28.847 He riises head and shoulders above them, raises a fist, 0:04:29.167 --> 0:04:31.487 and with his face splattered with his own blood, he 0:04:31.607 --> 0:04:36.327 shouts fight, Fight, Fight. Jesse, what did you think when 0:04:36.407 --> 0:04:38.207 you first saw this story. 0:04:38.567 --> 0:04:40.847 It's weird, isn't it. It just pops up in your Instagram 0:04:40.847 --> 0:04:44.487 feet alongside someone's picture from Europe, and it popped up 0:04:44.727 --> 0:04:49.407 and I went, oh, and I'm horrified by this story, 0:04:49.487 --> 0:04:52.647 and I, you know, echo everyone who just says this 0:04:52.847 --> 0:04:55.327 is not what democracy is. I think it's really scary. 0:04:55.327 --> 0:04:57.487 I think it's a really traumatic incident. I think the 0:04:57.527 --> 0:04:59.647 biggest tragedy is the person who lost their lives and 0:04:59.687 --> 0:05:01.967 people who are in a critical condition that's been really 0:05:02.007 --> 0:05:05.167 lost in this. I think that someone died for demonstrating 0:05:05.167 --> 0:05:08.287 their political beliefs, which should never happen in a democracy. 0:05:09.247 --> 0:05:12.007 But I actually don't think I was surprised. There was 0:05:12.047 --> 0:05:15.927 a moment of almost having expected this, which I have 0:05:16.047 --> 0:05:19.167 found in a lot of the commentary as well. And 0:05:19.207 --> 0:05:22.207 the commentary allowed me to understand why I felt that way, 0:05:22.247 --> 0:05:26.447 which was that the temperature had been rising so high 0:05:26.647 --> 0:05:30.607 in the US, and the way that these two candidates 0:05:30.727 --> 0:05:34.767 speak to and about each other is so intense. You know, 0:05:34.847 --> 0:05:37.007 a lot of commentators have said, how did it take 0:05:37.047 --> 0:05:40.367 this long for there to be an act of violence 0:05:40.767 --> 0:05:43.647 like this? But then, of course we remember that Nancy Pelosi, 0:05:43.727 --> 0:05:46.087 that was only a few years ago that her husband 0:05:46.327 --> 0:05:49.087 was bludgeoned in his own home. And then there was 0:05:49.167 --> 0:05:52.647 Brett Kavanagh. Someone tried to assassinate him after abortion laws 0:05:52.647 --> 0:05:55.407 were turned back there's been someone setting themselves a light 0:05:55.687 --> 0:06:01.527 outside Donald Trump's trial. Something like thirty seven people have 0:06:01.887 --> 0:06:05.007 died in like politically motivated attacks in the last few years, 0:06:05.047 --> 0:06:09.727 because in the US there doesn't seem to be a 0:06:09.767 --> 0:06:12.927 peaceful center. It's like the other side is your enemy. 0:06:13.447 --> 0:06:17.527 And to watch this, I realized that both sides had deteriorated, 0:06:17.887 --> 0:06:20.727 that there's been this representation from Democrats and from the 0:06:20.807 --> 0:06:24.727 left that you know, the deplorables and fake news and 0:06:25.087 --> 0:06:27.167 all that kind of stuff. The riot, of course, the 0:06:27.207 --> 0:06:32.447 insurrection the January sixth Capital event, and that was Republicans. 0:06:32.487 --> 0:06:36.847 But this, I went, oh, this was an attack on Trump, 0:06:37.127 --> 0:06:41.287 and now he's seen as a martyr, and this will 0:06:41.367 --> 0:06:43.807 be if he wasn't already going to win this election, 0:06:44.327 --> 0:06:45.407 that man will win the election. 0:06:45.727 --> 0:06:48.367 Mia, What did you think of the image, the image 0:06:48.407 --> 0:06:50.527 that I just described of him with the blood and 0:06:50.567 --> 0:06:54.047 his fist up, it's visceral, will definitely and to the 0:06:54.087 --> 0:06:56.727 history books as one of the most important news images 0:06:56.767 --> 0:06:58.967 of our time. What does it make you feel. 0:06:59.087 --> 0:07:02.687 I felt oddly detached when I heard this news, and 0:07:02.727 --> 0:07:04.287 I've been trying to work out why. I mean, part 0:07:04.287 --> 0:07:07.847 of it is just going into adrenaline mode with breaking news. 0:07:07.927 --> 0:07:09.527 But I also knew. 0:07:11.007 --> 0:07:16.927 That it, like seemingly everything, it would play into his hands. 0:07:17.247 --> 0:07:20.967 Because that image was so interesting to me because for 0:07:21.007 --> 0:07:23.887 those out louders who were old enough to remember the 0:07:23.927 --> 0:07:27.447 attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan in the eighties by a 0:07:27.487 --> 0:07:31.207 lone crazy gunman who was trying to impress Jodie Foster, 0:07:31.287 --> 0:07:33.287 who was a young actress at the time. So it 0:07:33.327 --> 0:07:37.327 wasn't even politically motivated by a guy called John Hinckley. 0:07:37.367 --> 0:07:42.647 What you saw in that footage was grainy, like people panicked, ducking. 0:07:43.327 --> 0:07:46.247 But what was interesting about Donald Trump's instincts is that 0:07:46.567 --> 0:07:49.327 your instincts, you would think would be to hide from danger, 0:07:49.407 --> 0:07:54.047 self protection. But he knew in that moment that the 0:07:54.087 --> 0:07:58.807 cameras were on him, and he was defiant without knowing 0:07:59.207 --> 0:08:02.367 what the attack was, what had happened, how safe he was, 0:08:02.407 --> 0:08:04.207 how safe he was that it was in fact an 0:08:04.207 --> 0:08:05.367 assassination attempt. 0:08:06.127 --> 0:08:08.967 He straightway said fight fight it. 0:08:09.367 --> 0:08:11.007 That meant fight who. 0:08:11.607 --> 0:08:15.647 Donald Trump has always fashioned himself as the underdog and 0:08:15.687 --> 0:08:18.967 as a victim, and even when he was president, he 0:08:19.087 --> 0:08:22.447 was always trying to make it that everybody was against him, 0:08:22.767 --> 0:08:25.327 and he wasn't getting the credit he deserved and the 0:08:25.367 --> 0:08:28.127 respect that he deserved, and that he was a victim 0:08:28.167 --> 0:08:30.847 of the fake news media who were lying about him. 0:08:30.887 --> 0:08:33.927 And he actually won the election and people said that 0:08:33.967 --> 0:08:38.327 he didn't. So his posture has always been very I'm 0:08:38.327 --> 0:08:40.727 the underdog, which is ironic for a guy who is 0:08:40.767 --> 0:08:43.647 as privileged as him and was literally the president of 0:08:43.647 --> 0:08:48.647 the United States. So I knew instantly that that image 0:08:49.607 --> 0:08:52.287 will probably win him the election, if he wasn't already going. 0:08:52.247 --> 0:08:54.087 To win it. And the thing about it because it 0:08:54.087 --> 0:08:57.247 makes him a martyr. Yeah, and of course all the discourse, 0:08:57.447 --> 0:09:00.327 what's so maddening about it? And I knew in that moment. 0:09:00.767 --> 0:09:02.727 He has a way of it's a little bit like 0:09:03.007 --> 0:09:05.207 I know you are, but what am I. He takes 0:09:05.287 --> 0:09:08.567 anything that anyone says about him, like fake news, for 0:09:08.567 --> 0:09:11.647 example's people were trying to say when he was just 0:09:11.687 --> 0:09:15.167 making out lies about Hillary Clinton and about Quanon, kind 0:09:15.207 --> 0:09:17.967 of conspiracy theories when he was running in twenty sixteen. 0:09:18.447 --> 0:09:21.487 He twisted that and used it to anything that he 0:09:21.527 --> 0:09:24.007 didn't want people to believe about him. He just called 0:09:24.007 --> 0:09:26.127 it fake news. He was the one that weaponized it. 0:09:26.327 --> 0:09:30.047 And so now he's weaponizing the idea that the rhetoric, 0:09:30.047 --> 0:09:34.647 because even you said, Jesse, both sides have been inflating it. 0:09:34.647 --> 0:09:38.007 It actually hasn't been both sides. He's been called what 0:09:38.047 --> 0:09:40.847 he actually is, which is a convicted rapist and felon 0:09:41.847 --> 0:09:45.767 and an existential threat to democracy. Those are sort of facts, really, 0:09:46.567 --> 0:09:51.687 but his language has always been incredibly incendiary, incredibly violent. 0:09:51.887 --> 0:09:53.967 The thing is, too, though about the fight Fight, Fight, 0:09:54.767 --> 0:09:57.447 is that there's Trump, but then there's also Trump's like 0:09:57.567 --> 0:10:01.207 literal army. What we saw on January the sixth when 0:10:01.607 --> 0:10:07.127 he incited a riot of people, armed people to invade 0:10:07.167 --> 0:10:09.927 a government building, and we do not know what would 0:10:09.967 --> 0:10:14.527 have happened to the high profile mostly democratic but not 0:10:14.567 --> 0:10:19.087 only not only Democrats, enemies of Trump who were in 0:10:19.127 --> 0:10:21.127 there if the mob had got their hands on them. 0:10:21.367 --> 0:10:25.567 There is a literal sense of building a resistance under Trump, 0:10:25.647 --> 0:10:28.167 and a lot of Americans who would not identify as 0:10:28.207 --> 0:10:31.687 Republicans necessarily. No one knows why Thomas Crooks had twenty 0:10:31.767 --> 0:10:33.927 years old, so young, my god, but did what he did. 0:10:34.007 --> 0:10:36.967 But he is a registered Republican. But I don't know 0:10:37.007 --> 0:10:39.887 that a lot of Trump supporters consider themselves Republicans. They're 0:10:39.887 --> 0:10:40.927 Trump supporters, you know. 0:10:41.007 --> 0:10:43.127 Just on the both sides thing. The reason that I'm 0:10:43.407 --> 0:10:45.847 cautious here because I know that in terms of violence 0:10:45.967 --> 0:10:48.447 entering political debate and Nancy Pelosi and you know, a 0:10:48.447 --> 0:10:51.127 lot of the cases were Republicans, some. 0:10:51.047 --> 0:10:54.367 Were Democrats, like a Bernie Sanders supporter attacked a congressman 0:10:54.447 --> 0:10:55.207 a few years ago. 0:10:55.447 --> 0:10:57.927 But with this, I did have a sense that in 0:10:57.967 --> 0:11:01.767 the moments afterwards, when it was being twisted to be 0:11:01.967 --> 0:11:05.207 about how this was Trump's fault, I just went, this 0:11:05.247 --> 0:11:08.567 is a human being who is running for president in 0:11:08.607 --> 0:11:12.767 a Democratic who just nearly by a centimeter, if his 0:11:12.927 --> 0:11:15.807 head had moved to a centimeter, would have been killed 0:11:15.847 --> 0:11:18.087 on a stage. Like I think we've got to be 0:11:18.287 --> 0:11:24.287 careful not to blame him for the assassination attempt. And 0:11:24.327 --> 0:11:26.767 I think that there are points throughout the campaigns and 0:11:26.887 --> 0:11:30.207 points across the last eight to ten years where we 0:11:30.327 --> 0:11:34.527 can go we've stooped to a certain level. But also 0:11:34.607 --> 0:11:38.327 we have characterized Trump supporters and Trump himself as something 0:11:38.487 --> 0:11:39.287 less than Jamie. 0:11:39.367 --> 0:11:42.687 Politics in America used to be really boring, like really boring, 0:11:42.727 --> 0:11:46.687 even with Ronald Dragan that was that wasn't a politically 0:11:46.727 --> 0:11:49.647 motivated attack in the good old days politics was boring. 0:11:49.687 --> 0:11:53.487 It's only since twenty fifteen that we've had things that 0:11:53.527 --> 0:11:57.807 were previously unimaginable, like riots in the Capitol building and 0:11:57.847 --> 0:12:01.727 people talking about hanging members of Yes. 0:12:01.767 --> 0:12:03.727 But I've listened to both sides, left and right, and 0:12:03.767 --> 0:12:05.807 this actually isn't just about Trump. This is just broadly 0:12:05.847 --> 0:12:07.967 how we speak about people and the level of contempt 0:12:08.047 --> 0:12:11.247 that's in our voice. And remember Hillary Clinton and the deplorables. 0:12:11.607 --> 0:12:15.367 When you start representing people as less than human, when 0:12:15.367 --> 0:12:19.287 you demonize the other side to such an extent, violence 0:12:19.327 --> 0:12:20.087 seems like. 0:12:19.967 --> 0:12:23.727 A started those chants of lock her up about Hillary Clinton. 0:12:24.087 --> 0:12:27.087 Yeah, the Democrats, But you can't I see what Jesse 0:12:27.167 --> 0:12:29.367 is saying because the presidential debate that happened two weeks ago, 0:12:29.447 --> 0:12:31.407 and everybody obviously the story out of that was all 0:12:31.447 --> 0:12:33.727 about Biden's fitness for office, which we'll get to in 0:12:33.767 --> 0:12:36.687 a second. But the thing that actually really struck me 0:12:36.727 --> 0:12:39.327 about that is all the reports said, these men will 0:12:39.327 --> 0:12:41.847 not say hello to each other, they will not shake hands, 0:12:42.047 --> 0:12:44.287 they won't refer to each other. That is not how 0:12:44.327 --> 0:12:47.367 politics used to be, right, It used to be like 0:12:47.447 --> 0:12:48.287 a sporting game. 0:12:48.367 --> 0:12:50.207 But you know, let me finish myself. 0:12:50.767 --> 0:12:52.927 It's like a sporting game where on the field you 0:12:53.007 --> 0:12:56.007 would take somebody's legs out whatever, and afterwards you shake 0:12:56.047 --> 0:12:57.687 their hands and you change shits. 0:12:57.407 --> 0:13:00.047 And when did that change? Whole agree, And. 0:13:00.127 --> 0:13:03.247 There is no question for me about what side in 0:13:03.247 --> 0:13:06.807 inverted commas I feel has heightened the debate. But I 0:13:06.847 --> 0:13:09.007 also think it's to do with the fact that we 0:13:09.447 --> 0:13:11.527 live in a very different time in terms of social media, 0:13:11.567 --> 0:13:12.767 and we all know that, we talk about it all 0:13:12.767 --> 0:13:15.647 the time, what the algorithm rewards, etc. It was striking 0:13:15.687 --> 0:13:18.527 to me that in the British election that we just saw, 0:13:19.367 --> 0:13:22.047 they are talking about each other with civility when they lose, 0:13:22.407 --> 0:13:26.007 they are They're losing gracefully. And this is also Trump's fault, 0:13:26.007 --> 0:13:27.127 to be honest, because. 0:13:26.887 --> 0:13:28.527 The Australian election the. 0:13:28.447 --> 0:13:31.327 Reason that people talk about Trump being a threat to democracy, 0:13:31.367 --> 0:13:33.447 and some people in the aftermath of the shooting have 0:13:33.487 --> 0:13:37.127 said that such hyperbole. It isn't. Because he lost an 0:13:37.127 --> 0:13:39.527 election and he refused to get out of office. That 0:13:39.647 --> 0:13:43.807 is the definition of threatening democracy. So that's all true anyway. 0:13:43.847 --> 0:13:46.207 I want to ask Mia quickly to Jesse's point that 0:13:46.247 --> 0:13:49.727 there's certainly not only one side here. Who's spinning. Almost 0:13:49.767 --> 0:13:55.007 immediately after this happened, senior Democrats came out straight away 0:13:55.047 --> 0:13:57.087 all what I would like to call the grown ups, 0:13:57.327 --> 0:14:00.967 and condemned the actions of the gunman, no question, called 0:14:01.007 --> 0:14:04.247 for calm, called for unity everybody from Obama to Biden 0:14:04.287 --> 0:14:07.527 to world leaders around the country. But there was a 0:14:07.567 --> 0:14:10.847 small portion of the left who went straight to work 0:14:10.967 --> 0:14:14.047 accusing the right of a conspiracy MAA, what's blueing on? 0:14:14.327 --> 0:14:18.287 Well, if QAnon is a collection of sort of conspiracy 0:14:18.367 --> 0:14:22.687 theories held by right wingers, So overall, the beliefs of 0:14:22.767 --> 0:14:26.447 QAnon that became really big during the Trump years that 0:14:26.487 --> 0:14:29.647 the Secret Service, the CIA, the FBI, and the elites 0:14:30.087 --> 0:14:33.247 are all working together to bring Trump down and to 0:14:33.727 --> 0:14:37.047 abuse children, and that there's a cabal of selling children. 0:14:37.527 --> 0:14:40.367 So that's sort of what QAnon is, and that Trump 0:14:40.367 --> 0:14:43.967 has come to overthrow all of these evil people. And 0:14:44.247 --> 0:14:46.447 what I hadn't heard about, but which has been around 0:14:46.487 --> 0:14:48.527 in the last couple of years and really showed its 0:14:48.527 --> 0:14:52.287 head after this assassination attempt is blueing on and that's 0:14:52.487 --> 0:14:55.927 the conspiracy theories held by the left. So what you 0:14:56.007 --> 0:14:58.567 might have seen over the weekend was the idea that 0:14:58.567 --> 0:15:01.167 the Trump shooting was staged to make him seem sympathetic 0:15:01.207 --> 0:15:04.367 and powerful, which is how it's gone down. But the 0:15:04.407 --> 0:15:08.127 idea that it was just tomato sauce, and the way 0:15:08.167 --> 0:15:10.567 that the Secret Service allowed him to put his head 0:15:10.607 --> 0:15:15.167 up and pump his fist and say fight, fight, fight, Yeah, exactly, 0:15:15.407 --> 0:15:18.007 and people saying that the image was just too perfect 0:15:18.087 --> 0:15:21.607 of the upside down American flag and him with blood 0:15:21.687 --> 0:15:25.407 but still looking defiant with his strong scale and not 0:15:25.447 --> 0:15:27.927 looking scared or all the ways that you would have 0:15:27.927 --> 0:15:30.167 thought he would look so. And this is where it is, 0:15:30.207 --> 0:15:34.327 both sides being crazy QAnon and Blue and on fighting 0:15:34.367 --> 0:15:37.127 it out and basically not believing anything that they see. 0:15:37.247 --> 0:15:37.487 The thing. 0:15:37.687 --> 0:15:39.767 It is not new or surprising at the moment that 0:15:39.847 --> 0:15:42.127 there are no agreed on facts about anything ever. 0:15:42.367 --> 0:15:44.767 And I saw that everywhere. It wasn't just in tiny 0:15:45.327 --> 0:15:48.247 little niches on the internet, like it was all over 0:15:48.247 --> 0:15:50.887 my TikTok feed, all over Instagram, people whose opinion I 0:15:50.927 --> 0:15:55.767 respect saying almost immediately that they don't believe that this happened, 0:15:55.767 --> 0:15:57.767 And I just went, this is how you know, the 0:15:57.847 --> 0:16:00.047 divide just gets wider and wider and wide. 0:16:00.127 --> 0:16:00.287 Yeah. 0:16:00.327 --> 0:16:03.727 Because of course it also reaffirms what the QAnon people think, 0:16:03.767 --> 0:16:04.647 and a lot of Trump. 0:16:04.367 --> 0:16:06.207 Supporters, which is that the Secret Service? 0:16:06.247 --> 0:16:08.847 How did they miss it? People said they saw the sniper, 0:16:08.887 --> 0:16:11.247 they tried to alert police and nothing was done. How 0:16:11.247 --> 0:16:11.967 did it happen? 0:16:12.847 --> 0:16:16.207 And they're blaming the Biden campaigns directly, So again, it 0:16:16.327 --> 0:16:19.247 just shows how far we've gone in denying the humanity 0:16:19.247 --> 0:16:20.087 of just a man. 0:16:20.727 --> 0:16:21.647 Denying reality. 0:16:22.527 --> 0:16:25.687 Okay, in the wake of the shooting, the US Democrats 0:16:25.807 --> 0:16:28.927 pulled their multi multi million dollar ad campaign that they're 0:16:28.967 --> 0:16:31.287 running at the minute, which attacks Trump and calls him 0:16:31.327 --> 0:16:32.887 all the things that we have established that is. 0:16:33.127 --> 0:16:35.727 Can I ask about that it Has Trump pulled anything? 0:16:35.847 --> 0:16:39.087 No, immediately, I'm sure it's out already. There'll be images 0:16:39.127 --> 0:16:41.927 of him bloody like that iconic even. 0:16:41.687 --> 0:16:44.927 When the Republican Convention is about to start, and he 0:16:44.967 --> 0:16:48.687 will be hailed a hero. The religious right are saying 0:16:48.727 --> 0:16:51.087 this is proof that his presidency is ordained by God, 0:16:51.127 --> 0:16:54.087 et cetera. Anyway, let's move over to the other side, which, 0:16:54.087 --> 0:16:56.087 if we were recording this show on Friday, would have 0:16:56.087 --> 0:16:58.647 been one we would have thought was the most unusual 0:16:58.687 --> 0:17:01.447 development we'd had in a while in American politics, which 0:17:01.487 --> 0:17:05.687 involves George Clooney. So while we're talking obviously about what 0:17:05.767 --> 0:17:09.007 the assassination attempt has done for Trump's chances, in the 0:17:09.847 --> 0:17:12.727 before the rally, many smart voices were saying that over 0:17:12.767 --> 0:17:16.047 on the other side, President Biden would likely step down 0:17:16.127 --> 0:17:18.407 on Sunday or Monday, not that he wants to. He 0:17:18.487 --> 0:17:21.687 has been very publicly digging in and saying that only 0:17:21.687 --> 0:17:24.247 the Lord Almighty can get him to step down. But 0:17:24.407 --> 0:17:26.527 Democrats have been saying that in this case, the Lord 0:17:26.527 --> 0:17:29.687 Almighty might take the form of George Clooney, who wrote 0:17:29.687 --> 0:17:32.287 a column in The New York Times last Thursday headlined 0:17:32.447 --> 0:17:35.567 I love Joe Biden, but we need a new nominee, 0:17:35.647 --> 0:17:38.607 and in it he spoke about how he was one 0:17:38.647 --> 0:17:41.207 of the main players at a big fundraiser for Biden 0:17:41.367 --> 0:17:44.127 in June, and he said, I love Joe Biden as 0:17:44.127 --> 0:17:46.447 a senator, as a vice president. I believe in his character, 0:17:46.487 --> 0:17:49.007 I believe in his morals, etc. But the one battle 0:17:49.007 --> 0:17:51.887 he cannot fight is the fight against time. None of 0:17:51.967 --> 0:17:54.327 us can. It's devastating to say it, but the Joe 0:17:54.367 --> 0:17:56.647 Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser 0:17:56.727 --> 0:17:59.447 was not the Joe big fucking deal Biden of twenty ten. 0:17:59.727 --> 0:18:02.087 He wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. He 0:18:02.167 --> 0:18:04.447 was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. 0:18:04.567 --> 0:18:08.567 Clooney then name checked his choices. He interestingly put the 0:18:08.687 --> 0:18:11.727 name Wes More first to obviously who he thinks should 0:18:11.727 --> 0:18:13.487 get it. Let's say, from We's Moore, he says, and 0:18:13.527 --> 0:18:16.287 Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitner and governors and Andy Bscher 0:18:16.327 --> 0:18:18.447 and so on and so on. Mia, Why does it 0:18:18.447 --> 0:18:21.327 matter even a little bit what George Clooney thinks about 0:18:21.327 --> 0:18:22.687 the president of the United. 0:18:22.367 --> 0:18:24.847 States, Because there are two things that are required to 0:18:24.887 --> 0:18:27.567 win the presidency. The first is people voting for you, 0:18:27.727 --> 0:18:30.527 but the second is money to help make that happen. 0:18:31.087 --> 0:18:37.327 And the donors on both sides have incredible power, not 0:18:37.407 --> 0:18:40.887 necessarily in saying we want the candidate to be this person, 0:18:41.367 --> 0:18:44.287 but there are certain candidates that will get more money 0:18:44.327 --> 0:18:46.967 being donated to the party and other candidates who won't. 0:18:47.727 --> 0:18:50.167 So for e then in a tap off, they're saying 0:18:50.207 --> 0:18:52.127 we're going to turn the tap off, which is understandable 0:18:52.167 --> 0:18:55.207 because if you believe that the wrong person is, you know, 0:18:55.367 --> 0:18:58.527 driving the car, you're not going to keep paying for petrol, 0:18:58.647 --> 0:19:00.487 you're going to say, well, why you're just going. 0:19:00.407 --> 0:19:01.447 To drive the car off a cliff. 0:19:01.887 --> 0:19:05.247 So with Joe Biden and why it could be George Clooney, 0:19:05.767 --> 0:19:07.567 there've been a lot of talks in the same way 0:19:07.607 --> 0:19:11.127 that people say, oh, Oprah should run for president, Michelle 0:19:11.127 --> 0:19:13.927 Obama should run for president, George Clooney should run for president. 0:19:14.567 --> 0:19:16.367 I don't think that's ever going to happen. But he 0:19:16.567 --> 0:19:19.127 has been a power player behind the scenes. He's good 0:19:19.167 --> 0:19:21.887 mates with Obama, and he's been a big supporter of 0:19:21.967 --> 0:19:24.807 Joe Biden and that influence because it's not just the 0:19:24.847 --> 0:19:28.167 money that George personally donates. It's when you've got big 0:19:28.207 --> 0:19:30.847 Hollywood stars, people then pay money to go and be 0:19:30.967 --> 0:19:32.167 at those fundraisers. 0:19:32.567 --> 0:19:33.287 That's how it works. 0:19:33.287 --> 0:19:35.887 So they're rain makers as well as being providers of 0:19:35.967 --> 0:19:39.767 rain themselves. The position that the Democratic Party are in 0:19:39.807 --> 0:19:43.447 that's difficult is that it's all relying on what Joe 0:19:43.447 --> 0:19:46.607 Biden decides to do. And of course this weekend's changed everything. 0:19:47.207 --> 0:19:50.407 But if everyone in the Democratic Party, if the members 0:19:50.407 --> 0:19:53.687 of Congress say he needs to step down, and he doesn't, 0:19:54.567 --> 0:19:58.167 then they're screwed. They've screwed their Party. So it's like 0:19:58.207 --> 0:20:04.127 everybody's in this circle of being paralyzed because they have 0:20:04.167 --> 0:20:05.847 to wait for it to be his decision. Now, George 0:20:05.847 --> 0:20:08.047 Clooney doesn't care, like it doesn't matter. He can say 0:20:08.047 --> 0:20:09.207 what he wants because he's a donor. 0:20:09.327 --> 0:20:12.327 But Clooney is not just Clooney. Clooney is representative of 0:20:12.407 --> 0:20:15.567 He is so embedded in the higher up Democratic Party 0:20:15.967 --> 0:20:19.527 that he would not have written that without their endorsement, 0:20:19.567 --> 0:20:23.367 their blessing, without So basically he's being a mouthpiece for 0:20:23.447 --> 0:20:25.367 a large number of very senior Democrats. 0:20:25.447 --> 0:20:25.527 Ye. 0:20:25.647 --> 0:20:28.367 Now Biden has lost them. Yes, and it will be very, 0:20:28.527 --> 0:20:30.407 very hard for Biden to keep holding on. What do 0:20:30.447 --> 0:20:32.607 we think that Trump's assassination attempt does? 0:20:32.607 --> 0:20:32.767 Though? 0:20:32.847 --> 0:20:36.247 Imagining that Biden's getting under more pressure every minute and 0:20:36.367 --> 0:20:39.367