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Speaker 1: It is such a delight to have you on my
Speaker 1: screen and in everyone's ears. Now. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: ask you any personal fashion questions because we've got a
Speaker 1: lot to cover and we're going to turn this into
Speaker 1: a regular thing. So basically, what you and I have
Speaker 1: been chatting about, you know, in our WhatsApp group over
Speaker 1: the month, trends, topics, fashion news. We've each brought two things.
Speaker 1: Let's kick off with your first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so excited to get into it and give
Speaker 3: the listeners a little taste of our group chat.
Speaker 2: Leeb So let's do it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Let's go. What have you got for me?
Speaker 3: Alexa Chung is everyone's style news again. Kate Moss has
Speaker 3: a collection with Zara. Ciena Miller is all over your
Speaker 3: Instagram Feedly it's twenty ten again.
Speaker 2: What's happening? I know it is like the return of
Speaker 2: the brit Girls.
Speaker 3: I think it is impossible to explain the choke hold
Speaker 3: that these women, these British style icons had on me
Speaker 3: and a whole generation of women, millennial.
Speaker 2: Women specifically, back in the mid.
Speaker 3: Noughties, right, And it's so interesting to me that they're
Speaker 3: all back in the fashion zeitgeist. At the same time,
Speaker 3: it's like the Chung aissants, the Alexa.
Speaker 2: Chung upon us.
Speaker 1: That is very cool.
Speaker 3: When I was a fashion writer back at Grazia magazine
Speaker 3: in the early twenty tens, the amount of stories I
Speaker 3: wrote about Alexa Chung's wardrobe. So to hear now and
Speaker 3: to see all over my socials that you know, people
Speaker 3: are calling it millennial core. So referencing someone like Alexa
Speaker 3: Chung's wardrobe if you're not across her, or maybe you
Speaker 3: are a younger listener and you weren't around to kind
Speaker 3: of reference her wardrobe the first time. She's this iconic
Speaker 3: British TV host model turned TV host who was all
Speaker 3: about this kind of this sort of wayfish British rock
Speaker 3: and rock old girlfriend style.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So my prediction is that we're about to get a
Speaker 3: new reverence for the look that she made iconic, and
Speaker 3: this whole cohort of British it girls made iconic.
Speaker 2: So things like skinny.
Speaker 3: Jeans mallet coming back, aren't they cropped leather jackets, little
Speaker 3: mini dresses with big statement collars.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I remember that so much. It's funny you
Speaker 1: say that because I was a picture editor in a
Speaker 1: magazine when Siena Miller was everywhere and she was the Boho,
Speaker 1: and when she attended the Chloe Show a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago, and when she came out with the Marks
Speaker 1: and Spencer collab, I was a bit like, hang on,
Speaker 1: did I get in a time machine?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Because but it also felt so comforting. And I happened
Speaker 1: to be overseas for work when the Siena Miller Marks
Speaker 1: and Spencer launch hit store, so there was billboards everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, this feels like home. It's
Speaker 1: like watching reruns of Friends.
Speaker 2: All. That's so true.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It's like our fashion history is coming back, but in
Speaker 3: the not to haunt us. It's like, in the nicest
Speaker 3: way possible, it does feel yeah, comforting.
Speaker 1: I liked that these brands, like particularly Marks and Spencer,
Speaker 1: bringing Sienna back to do that. It's not, you know,
Speaker 1: on a younger version, and she's doing sort of the
Speaker 1: lace in the Boho and the chunky boots and Chloe
Speaker 1: had her at the show as well. So I think
Speaker 1: it's nice. I just don't know if the younger generation, well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's not ironic, but they don't have to
Speaker 1: have experienced it the first time to enjoy it. But
Speaker 1: we're like, wow, this is this is a flashback.
Speaker 3: Back, and you know, talk about a flashback. So do
Speaker 3: you remember when Kate Moss did a collection for top
Speaker 3: Shop back in the day and she modeled in the
Speaker 3: windows of that iconic London top.
Speaker 2: Shop store RP top Shop. It used to be huge.
Speaker 3: But now she's just done a collection for Zara and
Speaker 3: it references her wardrobe and all these iconic Kate Moss looks,
Speaker 3: and so I really do think that we're getting this
Speaker 3: renewed interest in these women. And to your point, they're
Speaker 3: in their forties and fifties and living, you know, they're
Speaker 3: living different lives now, but there's still these eternal muses.
Speaker 2: So I love that that's come back.
Speaker 1: I agree. I love the trend. Gosh, you're observant. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike's pretty I'm not going to say basic, but pretty everywhere.
Speaker 1: But then I realized that everywhere is subjective because my
Speaker 1: algorithms are not your algorithm. Everyone has got a different
Speaker 1: set of whatever meta the and the social media serves them.
Speaker 1: But I've seen all of this in stores and all
Speaker 1: over my Instagram and my Pinterest. I'm obsessed with Pinterest.
Speaker 1: I mean not always have been, but I've gone.
Speaker 2: How good is Pinterest again?
Speaker 3: It's like you forgot that it existed and now you're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's the entire fashion universe.
Speaker 1: In photos, I used to do a lot on my phone,
Speaker 1: but now I'm trying to not be on my phone
Speaker 1: so much around my husband and my son, and so
Speaker 1: I do it on my desktop and you can see
Speaker 1: more anyway, pictures, pretty pictures, more and then I actually
Speaker 1: save them onto a pin instead of screenshotting them, and
Speaker 1: they go into the abyss. So it's great. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: want to bring a sheer first, because she has been,
Speaker 1: you know, in the zeitgeisten all over our Instagram and
Speaker 1: in stores for a while now, but it's not dying
Speaker 1: down for summer, and that is sort of long sleevetops
Speaker 1: or shear shirts, sheer skirts. I'm putting lace into that
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of thinking anything that's sort of see
Speaker 1: through ish, you know.
Speaker 2: That's right. Trans Air of transparency.
Speaker 1: Yeah, embellish skirts with you know, some sort of chuwel
Speaker 1: or sheer. It's everywhere and I'm into it for a
Speaker 1: few reasons, and I wanted to give a few tips.
Speaker 1: So I've bought a bunch of sort of lace skirts
Speaker 1: or even a few sheer skirts. I'm attempting to wear
Speaker 1: one to an event this evening, but I haven't worked
Speaker 1: out what to wear underneath. But I do have some tips.
Speaker 1: So I bought the Lululemon bike shorts. They come in
Speaker 1: a bunch of colors and they they're kind of like,
Speaker 1: they're not the exercise bike shots. They fall onto the
Speaker 1: underwear category on their website. They cover your bump, so
Speaker 1: I bought them in black and sort of a bony color.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Okay, you need because this is required right
Speaker 2: for the sheer look. You need good underwear.
Speaker 1: You need good underwear unless you're happy with the slip.
Speaker 1: But as Mea taught me, she cut a lot of
Speaker 1: the slips out of hers because of the slip kind
Speaker 1: of made it look a bit cheap and then she's
Speaker 1: kind of crumpy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the look now is to really actually put
Speaker 3: your wear on. Yes, play through the sheer it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why the undies need to be considered, or by
Speaker 3: shreks to.
Speaker 1: That point, right, And look, that's not for everyone. So
Speaker 1: I found this really great cotton slip. It's from a
Speaker 1: brand called Combono, and it's a cotton slipskirt, but it's
Speaker 1: a mini and it's one hundred percent cotton. So summer
Speaker 1: is hot and sweaty, and oftentimes shears and laces aren't
Speaker 1: natural fibers, so a cotton air is good. Or I
Speaker 1: have done a body suit. The Skim's bodysuits, their classic
Speaker 1: bodysuit is great because it's not cheeky balm. It's not
Speaker 1: cheese string by any means, is still pretty brave if
Speaker 1: you're kind of wearing sheer with the underlook, but there's
Speaker 1: levels of sheer like the lace skirt I've got. The
Speaker 1: lace is quite chunky, there's just gaps, so that's an
Speaker 1: interesting way to do that. And then on top, I
Speaker 1: mean I probably find it easy to wear on top.
Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of sheer shirts with big sort
Speaker 1: of pockets or lace shirts, and so my tip for
Speaker 1: those are or even bodysuits, there's a marks and spencer
Speaker 1: wire free bra that I will die in. I wear
Speaker 1: it every single day. I'm wearing it right now. I
Speaker 1: would flush you. It's just got the M and S
Speaker 1: y free bra. We'll link to it obviously, because it
Speaker 1: gives you support. It's thick enough around tire, but then
Speaker 1: it's got thin straps so it doesn't look like you're
Speaker 1: wearing a sports bar or anything too matronly because I've
Speaker 1: got a large bus. It doesn't push your boobies together,
Speaker 1: because if you're already wearing sheer or lace, I don't
Speaker 1: think you want a lot of cleavage because it's you've
Speaker 1: already kind of ticked that sexy box.
Speaker 3: Do you agree it's about blocking out your outfit, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's why we're seeing a lot of sheer skirts or
Speaker 3: sheer flare pants back with oversized tops to sort of hide.
Speaker 2: I mean it's in one way, it's hiding the evidence of.
Speaker 3: Your bottom, yes, and I get that, because you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily want to show your whole bum. No, But it's
Speaker 3: also that sort of laying look of you've got the
Speaker 3: texture of the show and then you've got this sort of.
Speaker 1: Block yes, the top, the juxtaposition. So for me, I
Speaker 1: just like that because I don't want cleavage if I'm
Speaker 1: doing sheer up top. And I also love it's just
Speaker 1: the classic bonds crop barlette, thin straps, adjustable, but gives
Speaker 1: you more kind of coverage in the middle area. Well
Speaker 1: obviously link to that too. I think it's a skims
Speaker 1: rip off, but that's so good. Otherwise you can just
Speaker 1: wear a singlet if you don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: get your tummy out again, depearing on the sheerness of
Speaker 1: the fabric. And exactly to your point, I think you
Speaker 1: need to style it with denim or cotton or something
Speaker 1: a bit more sort of masculine to bring down the
Speaker 1: dressy vibe. So if you've got sheer on the bottom,
Speaker 1: a really cool oversized tea.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 3: I got some lace flares recently from a brand called
Speaker 3: king Axilla. I think that's how you pronounce it. She's
Speaker 3: an Australian design. Well it's an Australian label, I shouldn't say.
Speaker 3: And I'm playing with wearing those with my big oversized teas.
Speaker 3: With the lace flares. It's such a cool day look,
Speaker 3: but it's elevated still, I.
Speaker 1: Agree, and unexpected, that's it. So I always kind of go, Okay,
Speaker 1: my skirt's quite sheer and maybe dressy. I'll wear a
Speaker 1: tea or I'm wearing a lacey top, I'll wear it
Speaker 1: with really baggy jeans. So I unless you are going
Speaker 1: to you know, a cocktail evant, I like that. So
Speaker 1: only one sheer or lace items kind of my rule
Speaker 1: of thumb, and then I oftentimes prefer it with flats
Speaker 1: because the item itself is generally dressy. I love thrifting
Speaker 1: for this trend. So it's so good because you can
Speaker 1: kind of there's always past seasons of lace something that
Speaker 1: you could either alter or modify. For example, this skirt
Speaker 1: that I'm going to wear, it was a full dress
Speaker 1: and I've just cut the top off. It's elasticated at
Speaker 1: the waist and I had a full long sleeve. It's
Speaker 1: very itchy at the jop I cut. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: wearing it from the elasticated and it's kind of golden
Speaker 1: like sparkly. And I'm wearing that with a T shirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was eight dollars. I think.
Speaker 2: So you're so clever.
Speaker 3: I love that you're actually altering the clothes rather, I mean,
Speaker 3: keep these things in the cycle of wear. That's what
Speaker 3: we say. It's a much more sustainable choice if you're
Speaker 3: buying lace. Hey, they used to wear a lot of lace. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know, like the nineteen hundreds exactly.
Speaker 1: Look, you're not getting the nineteen hundreds for Viney's. But
Speaker 1: this is just an old show pow dress that someone's sold.
Speaker 2: Maybe the eighties, maybe the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. When I say altered, I've literally just cut it.
Speaker 1: But I'm wearing it with a baggy tea so you
Speaker 1: won't see what's happening at the waist. I'm in too
Speaker 1: that all right, what else have you got for me?
Speaker 3: My fashion friend, I'm calling this one. My husband is
Speaker 3: a surfer, so he's going to be amused that I'm
Speaker 3: like borrowing from his culture.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. We live by the beach, well.
Speaker 2: Yes I do.
Speaker 3: I'm a coast gal, always have been, and this is
Speaker 3: a trend that's been bubbling away for a little while.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm calling it surfer chic.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: But the TikTok creator, I'm sure you've heard of her.
Speaker 3: She her name is Alison Bornstein. Yes, she came up
Speaker 3: with the wrong shoe theory and find your three words
Speaker 3: theory about kind of understanding your personal stuff. She's an
Speaker 3: amazing creator. I love Allison. She called this trend quote
Speaker 3: unquote surf and Nephew and surf and Nephew.
Speaker 1: That's going to be everywhere in a minute.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, she actually coined it back in July
Speaker 3: for the American summer because she has US based, and
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you didn't catch on in a bigger way.
Speaker 3: I think the trend is called on maybe not the term,
Speaker 3: but the reason she called it that was because remember
Speaker 3: when everyone was referencing the coastal Grandma and then it
Speaker 3: was like the modern Artie Auntie or something like the
Speaker 3: arti Auntie, and this is the surf and Nephew. So
Speaker 3: just to break down what that means, it's about wearing
Speaker 3: things that like a surfy guy might wear out of
Speaker 3: the water. So think like oversized teas, those towel like
Speaker 3: wrap skirts. Yes, oh my god, I'm loving those terry
Speaker 3: toweling shell necklaces, that kind of jewelry. There you go,
Speaker 3: bucket hats, songs. It's very Australian like, it's giving Australian summer.
Speaker 3: So it's not a surprise that it's caught on here. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I'm loving this trend because it's very like you said,
Speaker 3: I do live by the coastline, and it's it's easy
Speaker 3: for me to interpret this in a way that works
Speaker 3: for my everyday life. I must just say, that's literally
Speaker 3: what I see you wearing. But how do you suggest
Speaker 3: maybe someone that lives not by the coast they might be,
Speaker 3: you know, in the city. How can we wear that
Speaker 3: to not be like, oh my gosh, did you forget
Speaker 3: that you're not on vacation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And that's it.
Speaker 3: I think it's about borrowing the vacation pieces and esthetic
Speaker 3: and remixing them into your wardrobeerhaps it's your corporate wardrobe.
Speaker 3: And if that sounds like a lot of a reach,
Speaker 3: I know. But let's take the rap skirt for example.
Speaker 3: So instead of wearing a pencil skirt to the office
Speaker 3: or a structured mini you might take, you know, you
Speaker 3: might consider a rap skirt still gives you that towel
Speaker 3: like feel. Yes, And when I say towel, it's sort
Speaker 3: of like serng printed. Yeah, we're going to see a
Speaker 3: lot of those, I.
Speaker 2: Think they call them. Am I going to butcher this.
Speaker 1: Pereos or they do overseas, which is when I was
Speaker 1: searching for sarongs before I went overseas, I was like,
Speaker 1: no one sells them, and then when I found that word,
Speaker 1: I was like, right. I bought a bunch of skirts,
Speaker 1: well not a bunch of two from Mango, and it's
Speaker 1: looks like it's wrapped, but it zips.
Speaker 2: Up like a normal Yeah, isn't that so clever.
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk to the office and his skirt
Speaker 1: falls off.
Speaker 2: That's right, Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 3: You don't want to maybe flash too much legs, so
Speaker 3: you get one that's pre built. But then you might
Speaker 3: wear that back with a sort of unbuttoned oversized shirt
Speaker 3: or denim shirt off top, or even just a plain
Speaker 3: white tea a wrap skirt with a with a.
Speaker 2: Hint of print.
Speaker 3: And then think with the footwear, referencing beach style footwear.
Speaker 3: So maybe it's a heeled thong. I know that sounds
Speaker 3: like they are everywhere. Yeah, it's a healed thong, Or
Speaker 3: it's a strappy sand or that still is giving that
Speaker 3: kind of beachy foot vacate sort of style. Or maybe
Speaker 3: it's a statement earring that's in the shape of a
Speaker 3: shell yes or something.
Speaker 1: Or even sort of like a woven bag, like I
Speaker 1: feel there everywhere as well, and that feels very beachy.
Speaker 1: But you can definitely do that in the city.
Speaker 3: So some local brands that are tapping into this vibe.
Speaker 3: Zulu and Zephyr is a really good one that has
Speaker 3: that coastal vibe down Nude Lucy one of my favorite
Speaker 3: Australian brands. They do a lot of easy wearing coastal
Speaker 3: inspired piece of Sabo is.
Speaker 2: A really good one online.
Speaker 3: But at the higher end we've seen brands like The
Speaker 3: Row borrow from this sort of surf culture in their
Speaker 3: footwear or that rubber foot where they've done and then
Speaker 3: recently Tory Birch showed a runway collection for summer that
Speaker 3: was totally surf inspired. If you really want to get
Speaker 3: the surfy look, you could just wander into your go
Speaker 3: back to its origins, wander into your local surf shop.
Speaker 2: Why something from Billabong?
Speaker 1: Okay, tam funny you say that I just did when
Speaker 1: the sales are on a surf dive and ski order.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked on surf dive and Ski. I got
Speaker 1: the most amazing swimsuit from Roxy. I got a little
Speaker 1: dress from Billibom that other brand RSVC or something. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a child's coffee.
Speaker 2: See, there you go.
Speaker 1: I honestly surf brands because they also make really great,
Speaker 1: really affordable little cotton dresses. But you know, they're better
Speaker 1: quality than some of the mass you know, really mass brands,
Speaker 1: but they're not expensive. It's sort of your country roads.
Speaker 1: I'm back into the surf shop.
Speaker 2: It's such a big part of our culture as well.
Speaker 3: I love that they're having their moment and their Australian
Speaker 3: made a lot of them come out of there's you
Speaker 3: know Talkie near out near Geelong. Shout out to to Talkie.
Speaker 3: That's where the origins of those surf brands. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: still going, so it's good to support Aussie.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I could just recommend everyone jump on, you know,
Speaker 1: a surf brand or if you're going away or there's
Speaker 1: a surf shop, because I often don't go in the
Speaker 1: shopping center to the surf shops. I used to, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like when I got my first bell Crow wallet,
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: Well, bel Crows back too, So there you go, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But the price is still really good in the quality
Speaker 1: is phenomenal, so don't discount your little surf shop, all right.
Speaker 1: My last one could not be more all over my
Speaker 1: Instagram feed, and that is because I've started to become
Speaker 1: obsessed sol summer. I dipped my toe in a Bermuda short.
Speaker 1: I bought one pair that were heavily heavily discounted from
Speaker 1: Oroton like. They were down to under one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Never would I normally pay full price oortin also for
Speaker 1: a short that hits at my knee.
Speaker 2: I do love Roton, but it's on the spendy side.
Speaker 1: My Instagram obviously knows that I'm jawt curious or Bermuda
Speaker 1: short curious, so I am getting so many amazing style tips.
Speaker 1: So a jats are essentially a long denim short. They
Speaker 1: usually fall just above the knee, but you can get
Speaker 1: sort of varying lengths or Bermuda shorts oftentimes, like my
Speaker 1: ones are a silk, I think, but then there could
Speaker 1: be a linen or a cotton and they are again.
Speaker 1: You know, it's generally a pocket like a gene type waist,
Speaker 1: as in like a zip and a button, and you
Speaker 1: can wear a belt pockets and then they fall kind
Speaker 1: of above the knee. They're longer than a normal short.
Speaker 1: Let me defend this short not to you, Tam, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're across it. They can feel really dowdy.
Speaker 1: They can feel very skater boy, which I guess kind
Speaker 1: of plays into your surfa.
Speaker 2: There's a good side of that and then so good
Speaker 2: side of that, but.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, so for me, I'm just like, I don't
Speaker 1: really want to wear really short shorts anymore. Not because
Speaker 1: I don't like my body, but I am perimenopausal. I'm hot,
Speaker 1: so a jort to the office or even to an
Speaker 1: event is great. But then just you know, bending over
Speaker 1: picking up toys, you know, at the club with my
Speaker 1: son who's playing soccer. You know, I just want something
Speaker 1: a bit longer. Sure, I love a mini, but I
Speaker 1: am not gonna wear a mini to you know, up
Speaker 1: the road for a quick barbecue. So they're really good
Speaker 1: because they kind of tick a lot of boxes. And
Speaker 1: I've got some tips of how to style them and
Speaker 1: how not to because when I'm wearing some today for you, actually,
Speaker 1: when I put these on this morning and I hadn't
Speaker 1: finished my outfit, I I definitely felt like everil Levine.
Speaker 1: So my tips are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what? I need your tips, Lee,
Speaker 3: because I'm not on board. Okay, not on board yet.
Speaker 2: I need you to convince Ham.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you my Bermuda short Pinterest forward. That's
Speaker 1: how you'll get on board.
Speaker 2: Be useful because for me, as a short person.
Speaker 1: With I'm surely I'm short and I have no ankles,
Speaker 1: so let me help you.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I find this look really challenging because generally for me,
Speaker 3: the shorter the shorts or skirt, the longer my legs look.
Speaker 3: Are used to thinking that way, I tend to go
Speaker 3: for elongating silhouettes. Okay bottom, Yeah, so it's still a
Speaker 3: no from me, so I need you to convince. Okay,
Speaker 3: So if that's how you feel, I do recommend you
Speaker 3: can wear a tank because I've got like I'm wearing
Speaker 3: them today but with an oversized denim shirt and so
Speaker 3: they're kind of loose.
Speaker 1: This is kind of loose. So I do have a
Speaker 1: heel on and the heel doesn't have an ankle strap
Speaker 1: because I don't have ankles, so that kind of gives
Speaker 1: me the lane short. But if you want to do
Speaker 1: a really chic flat, then you do a little tank
Speaker 1: and a belt. So a white tank with maybe a
Speaker 1: tan short or I love all black because the eye
Speaker 1: it kind of just looks like a dress. The coolers,
Speaker 1: you've got a tank, black Bermuda shorts or denim shorts
Speaker 1: and a little black belt, black sandals. Very cool.
Speaker 3: It's very like ladyde Sports where that's it what it's giving.
Speaker 1: And if you do want to wear it to the
Speaker 1: office or something a little bit more dressy, a kitten
Speaker 1: heel's great. You can do ballet flats if you are
Speaker 1: you know, depending on where you are in Australia. It's
Speaker 1: pretty hot everywhere, but it's still cold in Tazzy. I
Speaker 1: love it with a tucked T shirt and a belt
Speaker 1: if you do want that bit more of a shape,
Speaker 1: but then otherwise an oversized any shirt. A sleeveless vest
Speaker 1: gives you a bit of detail if you want like
Speaker 1: a sort of you know, I've seen a white button
Speaker 1: outside of you know how we all had those two
Speaker 1: pieces last summer. Yes, grab the vest and do that
Speaker 1: with your Bermuda shorts.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's cute. It's kind of like a suit, Yes,
Speaker 2: summer suit.
Speaker 1: It's so cool. I do think a belt's are key
Speaker 1: if you can see the waistband. I recommend wearing a
Speaker 1: belt because it just looks more purposeful that you've tucked
Speaker 1: or that it's obvious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a statement short, rather than just an accident.
Speaker 3: You know that you didn't quite correct accident. That's not
Speaker 3: I know, it's a statement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like, look at my shorts because they're great.
Speaker 1: And I even saw a woman wearing this wonderful sort
Speaker 1: of strapless ruffle boom schooby top with hers and heels
Speaker 1: and it was just great.
Speaker 3: It's our eyes just getting used to them, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Give it a few months and will be so all
Speaker 3: over this, Like my eye just needs to adjust.
Speaker 2: Now it's getting there.
Speaker 3: I'm getting you know, I'm getting served a lot of jawts.
Speaker 3: I'm still seeing a bunch of like gen Z versions
Speaker 3: with you know, all power to them. But it's a
Speaker 3: lot of long Gan shorts. It's a lot of that
Speaker 3: Adam Sandlers. Yes, Dad, And I'm like, that's not really
Speaker 3: the look I'm going for.
Speaker 1: And you know what they're also good for is travel
Speaker 1: and trends seasonal because you can dress them up or
Speaker 1: dress them down. You do a tank and a blazer,
Speaker 1: a tank and a bomber is so cool. I honestly
Speaker 1: just jats on my new life and.
Speaker 2: I'm edging me across the line.
Speaker 1: I just and look, everyone's doing them. There's heaps on
Speaker 1: asos because h and M, Dish, Witchery Dotty have some
Speaker 1: amazing ones. I would go for either white, beige or
Speaker 1: black or denim.
Speaker 2: I guess there's.
Speaker 3: Also power in saying that a trend isn't necessarily for you,
Speaker 3: as in, they look so chic on these women, and
Speaker 3: I appreciate the styling tips. I think they look fab,
Speaker 3: but I think you've also got to know your body
Speaker 3: and know what you've want suits you and what you
Speaker 3: feel comfortable. I'm going to try a few on and
Speaker 3: see if they feel like me, and then I'm going
Speaker 3: to politely decline if it's quite working.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, if everyone just liked all the same trends,
Speaker 1: how boring that would be.
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very expensive, how hundred? All right, let's do
Speaker 1: bougie and budget. I have bought obviously a pair of
Speaker 1: permuter shorts and then a something sheer. But let's start
Speaker 1: with you, my friend Sam, what have you got? Let's
Speaker 1: go your budget?
Speaker 2: Well, as a coastal gal.
Speaker 3: I had to do the surfa chet trend for this,
Speaker 3: so I've got some fines that are ripe for summer.
Speaker 2: So my budget.
Speaker 3: I found these very cool flats from Ruby at cotton On.
Speaker 3: They've got a black soul and then the top of
Speaker 3: them is it's a red rope. It's a striped red
Speaker 3: and white rope. It's kind of like a surfboard leash.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like I'm reaching, but it's
Speaker 3: sort of The rope back with the shoe is sort
Speaker 3: of nautical.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very hard to describe, but you'll have to
Speaker 2: trust me.
Speaker 1: Really, I guess I'm just looking online and obviously we're
Speaker 1: gonna pop them in their newsletter. They're very cool. Do
Speaker 1: you think they'd be comfortable?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, good. They're thirty bucks, so they you go.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: I think with a cheaper shoe, with an affordable shoe,
Speaker 3: you have to kind of there's always going to be
Speaker 3: a trade off, and often that is comfort.
Speaker 2: So this is more of a.
Speaker 1: But not always I reckon, you know, because obviously there's
Speaker 1: always a little section of Ruby within your cotton On.
Speaker 1: Go and try them on.
Speaker 2: If there's go and try them on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might not be super I do have some
Speaker 3: ropey heels block heels that are not comfortable at all,
Speaker 3: but I wear them if I you know, there's a
Speaker 3: specific outfit I want to wear them with. So I'm
Speaker 3: not going to be walking around in these all data
Speaker 3: would my birkenstocks. But if I'm going on holidays and
Speaker 3: I'm going out at night and I'm wearing like a
Speaker 3: slip dress maybe or short back yet potentially shorts, we'll see,
Speaker 3: then I might put this little flat on with them.
Speaker 3: And they're thirty dollars, so they're really stylish alternative to time.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you're not quite on board with thongs yet,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I've got some great Bermuda shorts from Zara.
Speaker 1: They called the Darted Bermuda Short with belt. So I
Speaker 1: love when there's a belt that you can either choose
Speaker 1: to add or not, because just like getting two things
Speaker 1: for free or two things for the price one sixty
Speaker 1: nine ninety five. They come in like an oyster white,
Speaker 1: a tan, and a black. The belt's kind of raffia.
Speaker 2: Oh beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, but it gives very holiday vibes I
Speaker 1: would probably wear a white leather belt with white, a
Speaker 1: black leather belt with black. I would just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, mix it up there. But they're really great.
Speaker 1: They fought well. The model's probably extremely tall, and they
Speaker 1: fall ten cimeters above her knees, so they fall just
Speaker 1: above my knee.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good proportion, right.
Speaker 1: But also on the Zara website, they've got good search terms.
Speaker 1: I find some websites you can't search well, but if
Speaker 1: you go on to Tzara and just type Bermuda, they've
Speaker 1: got so many options. But they also have their kind
Speaker 1: of wacky photo shoots whereby you might get some styling ideas.
Speaker 1: You don't have to buy them from there.
Speaker 3: Maybe you might get an upside down model hanging off
Speaker 3: a chair. Correct, and it's like, where's the product, you know? Oh,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, it's the bra.
Speaker 1: But they do tend to kind of put in a
Speaker 1: bit more creativity than just your dotty website. The dotty
Speaker 1: ones are great, but I wouldn't style it that way.
Speaker 1: So just go to Google and type in Bermuda shorts.
Speaker 1: So what's your bougie?
Speaker 3: My bougie is from a brand I mentioned earlier called
Speaker 3: Zulu and Zephyr. They are an amazing Australian brand. I
Speaker 3: would say they are on that on that more expensive
Speaker 3: side there that what i'd call like a mid tier
Speaker 3: Australian brand, which is where I get most of my
Speaker 3: pieces from.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: So you it's not a huge splurge, but it's it's
Speaker 3: a significant amount of money.
Speaker 2: Let me get to the point.
Speaker 3: I bought a cotton wrap skirt from Zulu and Zephyr recently.
Speaker 3: That's actually more like a sarong, but I will be
Speaker 3: wearing it out. And I just was browsing, I was surfing,
Speaker 3: if you will, their website and I came across a
Speaker 3: mini style called the Marine Stripe Organic Cotton Blend Mini skirt.
Speaker 1: Give me anything cotton, right, It's so it's this very
Speaker 1: you Actually.
Speaker 3: It's a cream and blue striped mini, but it really
Speaker 3: looks like you just threw a cute little cotton towel
Speaker 3: on after swim in a fashioning.
Speaker 1: Well, we mean my effortless when you put in a
Speaker 1: lot of effort.
Speaker 3: That's right, yes, but it's an easy just to put
Speaker 3: back with. Yes, everything from a bikini to a great
Speaker 3: tank or a big big shirt. And it's so it's
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty dollars. But I do feel that
Speaker 3: they they're fabrics and they're designs.
Speaker 1: And all nutural fibers.
Speaker 3: You know that's right, generally organic cotton. I mean, you'd
Speaker 3: have to search, but you have to have a closer look.
Speaker 3: But they work with beautiful materials and their styles do last.
Speaker 1: So I can't do this with you too often. I'm
Speaker 1: spending more money than normal.
Speaker 2: I know. That's why our group chat is a problem.
Speaker 2: I have to mute you.
Speaker 1: I love it. So my bougie is a pair of pants.
Speaker 1: It sounds a little bit like your lace pants. They
Speaker 1: are the cause sheer, straight leg pants and they have
Speaker 1: sort of built in well not built in shorts sort of.
Speaker 1: They're long pants. They're black. They are like think of
Speaker 1: like a wide leg office pant, but they share from
Speaker 1: like the the top thigh down. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: like them, but is that kind of what your lace
Speaker 1: pants are. They've got like a little built in shorties,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 3: Mine have no builty in shorties, and I wish they
Speaker 3: did because I really have to wear something right all
Speaker 3: the way down to my mid thigh.
Speaker 2: This is genius.
Speaker 1: These are so goodutiful I'm obsessed with them. So they're
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I'm going to a wedding
Speaker 1: or an evening thing and I don't want to wear
Speaker 1: a dress and a board of dresses. But it's hot,
Speaker 1: and so it's they're one hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: or tea. Like they're black, but you could wear them
Speaker 1: with a white tea or a printed tea. You could
Speaker 1: make them so cool. They're a really good way to
Speaker 1: kind of get that suiting vibe in summer when it's
Speaker 1: just too humid to wear a full on, you know,
Speaker 1: floor length pant. But also some people don't love their
Speaker 1: legs and they want to kind of cover them up
Speaker 1: then or a skirt or I don't know, whatever the
Speaker 1: reason is. You're getting visually the coverage to your ankle,
Speaker 1: but it's flowy and like, this is a.
Speaker 2: Really accessible way to do the shear trend.
Speaker 1: I love, isn't it. And yeah, you don't have to
Speaker 1: go buy undies or worried about all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: wear undies unday pants obviously, but no one can see
Speaker 1: them because there's kind of like a linen up until
Speaker 1: past your.
Speaker 2: Badge if you said badge, you know.
Speaker 1: Whatever you've got on going on under there. They are
Speaker 1: so good hundred and seventy five dollars. I'm gonna favorite
Speaker 1: them and hope that they go on sale in the
Speaker 1: boxing day sales.
Speaker 2: They're beautiful find.
Speaker 1: Will you come back next month? Should we do this monthly?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I love to please have me. You know the todd
Speaker 3: the life. It's wonderful, but it gets a bit groundhog day.
Speaker 1: I need this to Yeah, you need an adult fashion too,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to come back anytime. You'll have me,
Speaker 3: always happy to chat about fashion yabber away all day.
Speaker 1: Toy, I love it. Lock it in and we'll see
Speaker 1: you then and in the meantime, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your incredible wisdom.
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for having me.
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