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Speaker 1: From Mama Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop

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Speaker 1: culture Fix. I'm Cassanuelo Kitch and I'm Laura Brudnick. Today

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Speaker 1: on the show, we have found the most hated boyfriend

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Speaker 1: on television the summer I turned pretty star Jeremiah has

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Speaker 1: packing some serious heat and we dive deep into Britney

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Speaker 1: Spears's latest Instagram post.

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Speaker 2: But first, before we get into all that, we have

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Speaker 2: had some huge breaking news today of the Taylor Swift Variety.

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Speaker 2: And to break down this news, because it's Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 2: It's full of hidden meanings and secret locations and things

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Speaker 2: you'd only know if you read a poem she wrote

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Speaker 2: on Tumblr thirty years ago. We have Australia's resident. I

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Speaker 2: don't even feel bad saying that, because I feel it's true.

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Speaker 2: Is Residence Swifty. Expert Mum and Me is pop culture

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Speaker 2: and social media editor Tina Burke. Yay, it's the best

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Speaker 2: save my life and it's the best day of your life.

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Speaker 2: Like literally, you came to work, you've got a white skirt.

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Speaker 2: Someone gave you a flower.

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Speaker 3: Someone gave me a flower. The lovely Ellie from our

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Speaker 3: office bought me a rose.

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Speaker 2: As though I am engaged, I feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are celebrating this today. So take me through.

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Speaker 2: So the photos come up on Instagram about four am

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, it wasn't me because I was deep

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Speaker 3: a whim. But I know so many people who, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so I said, like a bat. If she had

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Speaker 2: put that up at one am, I wouldn't We would

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Speaker 2: have been there. We would have been there. The lamp

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Speaker 2: was not happy with what I just said. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: when her weddings photos come out will be on top

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Speaker 2: the time from now on, so I don't miss anything, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So take me through the announcement. It was. It was

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Speaker 2: a series of photos a carousel on her Instagram collabed

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Speaker 2: with Travis. Yes, slightly unfortunate that. What's his Instagram name?

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Speaker 2: Killer Killer Trav. Okay, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: You can't change a man. You can't change a man.

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Speaker 2: But I do absolutely love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like imagine sharing your engagement arguably one of like

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Speaker 3: the biggest celebrity engagements of our modern day, the biggest

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Speaker 3: librityub Yeah, and your boyfriend now handle is Killer Trav. Like,

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Speaker 3: I just love collubbed with Killer Trav and I love it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like she's so into it. She loves that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: take a shro what was in the photos? What was

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of them in some matching rough Lauren

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Speaker 3: ensembles already sold out. Fans of investigated down the dress.

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Speaker 3: The dress is sold out. There we go. He's got

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Speaker 3: like a knit jump briefing on. That's also right. She

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Speaker 3: but she's you know, that does fit her whole vibe right,

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Speaker 3: obsession with the Kennedy's. That feels very rough, Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she freaking loss, she loves She's just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's quite like maybe classical American engagement.

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Speaker 2: Vibes is what you get from these. They meant to match.

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Speaker 3: I don't know because it's hard to tell if this

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Speaker 2: Shit that's gonna ask you, because I think it is

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Speaker 2: an engagement shoot me too, not the actual engagement moment.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and look, Taylor Swift is Taylor Swift. Maybe

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Speaker 3: for photographing it, that's not for me. So I do

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Speaker 2: And it looks beautiful.

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Speaker 3: So they're in this like rosy garden, which actually people

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Speaker 3: at Travis's home, but he had sort of transformed it

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Speaker 3: into this beautiful, elaborate rose garden. Who knows what the

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Speaker 2: I was so impressed that was his garden. I don't

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey's dad just gets on a few different radio shows,

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Speaker 3: I would love to Kelsey parents, yeah, because they are

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Speaker 2: Like Donna was interviewed literally.

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Speaker 3: The day before all the pictures drop, which is Travis's mum,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, he's settled, he knows what he wants

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Speaker 2: They're like, surprise, it's an engagement.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's like a photo of them in a

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and you know, very simple caption, but very millennial,

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Speaker 3: which is Taylor's's bread and butter. She wrote, your English

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Speaker 2: You can just tell that she was so chilled when

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Speaker 3: Yes, and there was a tweet a while ago joking

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Speaker 3: She's got that vibe right. If she was not a

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Speaker 3: with like her song so high School. So she put

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Speaker 3: You wrote, what a lovely moment. I'm being a bit whimsical.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no love again. This is your special day. The

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Speaker 3: Is there any significance with the garden? That's what I

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Speaker 3: was thinking kind of. I think Swift is what we

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Speaker 2: Oh no, guy, I know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this thing called tay Voodoo, which is not

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Speaker 2: Her enemies have fallen?

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Speaker 3: But so I do think with Easter eggs, obviously she's

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm happy she's happy, but the funniest

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Speaker 3: Oh I felt that deep as someone who has been, like,

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Speaker 2: That's so good. Yeah, do you think it was before

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Speaker 3: I do think one of my favorites is And I

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Laura, I don't know what's gonna happen

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Speaker 2: such a good mood that you get engaged. Should we Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if it came out that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to like it's the nicest way to put that. Yeah, Okay, look,

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Speaker 3: You just know donnic Kelsey had something to say she

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Speaker 3: No, when Carlie's friendship with like Scooter and Katie Perry

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Speaker 2: Let's do this thing. When's the wedding going to be?

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Speaker 3: Of do you know you asked me two years ago,

430
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Speaker 3: I would tell you she was never telling us she

431
00:17:13,744 --> 00:17:14,224
Speaker 3: was engaged.

432
00:17:14,264 --> 00:17:16,344
Speaker 2: We were never getting a ship that too. I thought

433
00:17:16,344 --> 00:17:18,704
Speaker 2: she would have just put up like a little flash

434
00:17:18,784 --> 00:17:22,824
Speaker 2: of it somewhere in like a visual album. She just

435
00:17:22,864 --> 00:17:23,384
Speaker 2: show up.

436
00:17:23,344 --> 00:17:24,904
Speaker 3: To something with a ring on, Like that's kind of

437
00:17:24,904 --> 00:17:27,424
Speaker 3: where I thought it would happen. And so I'm surprised

438
00:17:27,424 --> 00:17:29,184
Speaker 3: she released photos and did, like you know that it's

439
00:17:29,224 --> 00:17:31,064
Speaker 3: all out there in this way, and that makes me

440
00:17:31,104 --> 00:17:33,544
Speaker 3: think that maybe when she gets married, she will share

441
00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:35,504
Speaker 3: a picture or something on her own terms. I don't

442
00:17:35,504 --> 00:17:37,624
Speaker 3: think we're in for like a people mag wedding. God,

443
00:17:37,864 --> 00:17:40,064
Speaker 3: I really don't. But yeah, I'm sure that it'll be

444
00:17:40,144 --> 00:17:41,384
Speaker 3: coming in like the next year or so.

445
00:17:41,384 --> 00:17:41,704
Speaker 1: Surely.

446
00:17:41,904 --> 00:17:43,304
Speaker 2: I think she'll tie it into some sort of a

447
00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:45,464
Speaker 2: special thing, like she'll tied in the background of like

448
00:17:45,704 --> 00:17:48,144
Speaker 2: a special album or at least or something like that

449
00:17:48,224 --> 00:17:49,144
Speaker 2: to kind of yeah.

450
00:17:49,184 --> 00:17:52,024
Speaker 3: And I mean he's got his final season maybe of

451
00:17:52,064 --> 00:17:55,864
Speaker 3: the NFL. I'm sure he'll be after that. I'm sure that,

452
00:17:55,904 --> 00:17:58,544
Speaker 3: like he'll finish off his season, she'll do like show Girl,

453
00:17:58,624 --> 00:17:59,704
Speaker 3: and then maybe they'll get married.

454
00:17:59,744 --> 00:18:02,024
Speaker 2: I'm not get married. Well, I'm so happy for them.

455
00:18:02,064 --> 00:18:04,344
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you and your people today. At

456
00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:06,184
Speaker 2: the end of the day. We love love, we love

457
00:18:06,584 --> 00:18:09,584
Speaker 2: gardens and jilted ex lovers. It's all just part of

458
00:18:09,624 --> 00:18:10,344
Speaker 2: the tails with milk.

459
00:18:10,864 --> 00:18:12,744
Speaker 3: It is and something that you will love, which I'm

460
00:18:12,744 --> 00:18:14,184
Speaker 3: just gonna tell you, really, ye tell me.

461
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Speaker 1: So.

462
00:18:14,264 --> 00:18:15,104
Speaker 3: I don't think you know this.

463
00:18:15,784 --> 00:18:18,504
Speaker 2: Everyone on the internet, by everyone, I mean a select group,

464
00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:21,624
Speaker 2: think that Taylor Swift is basically Laura like Gilmore. Oh

465
00:18:21,664 --> 00:18:21,944
Speaker 2: my god.

466
00:18:21,984 --> 00:18:24,904
Speaker 3: What So there is this whole thing in the fandom

467
00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:27,144
Speaker 3: where Taylor Swift looks like Laura like Gilmore, and people

468
00:18:27,184 --> 00:18:29,944
Speaker 3: cut edits of them together and compare their lives and like,

469
00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:34,944
Speaker 3: put Taylor's songs over Laura's life, and oh what happened

470
00:18:34,984 --> 00:18:36,944
Speaker 3: when Laura I got engaged to Max Madina?

471
00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:39,744
Speaker 2: Oh a thousand yellow daisies. Yes, she was sitting running.

472
00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:43,584
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean that worked out badly for them.

473
00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:47,864
Speaker 2: But otherwise we're just it worked out well. It's fine, fine, Okay.

474
00:18:47,904 --> 00:18:52,024
Speaker 2: I like that's an LB moment. It is the crossover.

475
00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:55,744
Speaker 2: I want. I want Gilmore Girls v. Taylor Swift to

476
00:18:55,784 --> 00:18:58,024
Speaker 2: come together and it's life I've always dreamed of and

477
00:18:58,024 --> 00:19:00,304
Speaker 2: they all end up happily ever after. That's so true.

478
00:19:00,384 --> 00:19:04,144
Speaker 2: We'd love that, Okay, can so back to the other

479
00:19:04,304 --> 00:19:05,424
Speaker 2: entertainment news of the day.

480
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm not going to pretend because I am

481
00:19:08,704 --> 00:19:12,864
Speaker 1: not a summer I turned. Even though the entire office

482
00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:16,424
Speaker 1: is minus a few of us, we are just outcasts

483
00:19:16,464 --> 00:19:20,944
Speaker 1: in the summer. I turned pretty universe. However, I do

484
00:19:21,104 --> 00:19:25,424
Speaker 1: know something about someone called Jeremiah, and everybody hates him. Yeah,

485
00:19:25,504 --> 00:19:26,264
Speaker 1: you have to fill us in.

486
00:19:26,464 --> 00:19:28,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a Jeremiah lover, which I think is

487
00:19:28,784 --> 00:19:31,144
Speaker 2: about four people in the world, you better duck for

488
00:19:31,184 --> 00:19:33,264
Speaker 2: cover because it's not safely at the moment. So the

489
00:19:33,304 --> 00:19:35,664
Speaker 2: summer I Turn Pretty. It's always been popular, it's and

490
00:19:35,704 --> 00:19:38,424
Speaker 2: it's third and final season now, but this final season

491
00:19:38,744 --> 00:19:41,984
Speaker 2: it has really taken off into this immense fandom to

492
00:19:42,024 --> 00:19:45,064
Speaker 2: the point where not just everyone I know is watching

493
00:19:45,104 --> 00:19:48,024
Speaker 2: it and building their weeks around it. But there's all

494
00:19:48,064 --> 00:19:50,424
Speaker 2: these watch parties across Australia because people want to go

495
00:19:50,504 --> 00:19:53,584
Speaker 2: and have a communal viewing experience, and they're all selling out,

496
00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:55,544
Speaker 2: like you can't get into them anymore, so people are

497
00:19:55,584 --> 00:19:58,624
Speaker 2: now having their own watch parties. It's intense out there.

498
00:19:58,904 --> 00:20:01,024
Speaker 2: So they're based on the books by Jenny Hahn, who

499
00:20:01,064 --> 00:20:03,304
Speaker 2: is also the show runner, and it's a story of

500
00:20:03,304 --> 00:20:05,584
Speaker 2: this girl called Belly, who the only way I can

501
00:20:05,664 --> 00:20:07,344
Speaker 2: say it is that she was meant to be ugly

502
00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:09,704
Speaker 2: as a child. And then she comes out one summer

503
00:20:09,864 --> 00:20:12,224
Speaker 2: to this summer house that she's been going to every

504
00:20:12,304 --> 00:20:14,584
Speaker 2: year of her life where these two hot brothers. She

505
00:20:14,624 --> 00:20:17,144
Speaker 2: spends this summer with them, and one summer she comes

506
00:20:17,184 --> 00:20:18,904
Speaker 2: and she's really hot and got boobs and doesn't have

507
00:20:18,904 --> 00:20:22,944
Speaker 2: her glasses anymore. Oh, I love that. I love beautiful. Yeah,

508
00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:26,864
Speaker 2: so we love romance. And then she basically hooks up

509
00:20:26,904 --> 00:20:31,144
Speaker 2: with both brothers and this final season, and we did

510
00:20:31,184 --> 00:20:33,984
Speaker 2: do a whole episode on simply love. Triangles of a

511
00:20:34,104 --> 00:20:36,224
Speaker 2: link in the show notes because this is not the

512
00:20:36,264 --> 00:20:38,144
Speaker 2: only time this has happened. No, it's not.

513
00:20:38,224 --> 00:20:42,664
Speaker 1: It seems to be a weird trope in cinema. However,

514
00:20:42,984 --> 00:20:47,184
Speaker 1: now what I understand is this season three premiere is

515
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Speaker 1: a couple of years after the previous season. Yes, and

516
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah has cheated on Belly twice and then proposes to her.

517
00:20:56,144 --> 00:20:58,584
Speaker 2: Yes, so a bit of a time jump. So she

518
00:20:58,784 --> 00:21:01,184
Speaker 2: was mostly in love with Conrad, who's the older brother,

519
00:21:01,224 --> 00:21:03,544
Speaker 2: and then she ended season two with Jeremiah, who's the

520
00:21:03,584 --> 00:21:06,184
Speaker 2: younger brother. There's a time jump, so they've been together

521
00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:10,104
Speaker 2: for many years. In this last season, look defending cheating,

522
00:21:10,464 --> 00:21:13,904
Speaker 2: Jeremiah technically cheated on Belli. Well technically he did. I

523
00:21:13,904 --> 00:21:16,304
Speaker 2: can just feel the fans like breaking down the door

524
00:21:16,304 --> 00:21:17,664
Speaker 2: of the apartment that I live in to kill me

525
00:21:17,704 --> 00:21:19,624
Speaker 2: for saying this. So he and Belli were on a

526
00:21:19,664 --> 00:21:23,904
Speaker 2: break classic stop at rolassics. I love how like as

527
00:21:23,984 --> 00:21:27,104
Speaker 2: much as like decades pass and new TV shows come along,

528
00:21:27,104 --> 00:21:29,024
Speaker 2: we're all just dealing with the same drama over and

529
00:21:29,064 --> 00:21:31,064
Speaker 2: over again. They were technically on a break. Well, she

530
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Speaker 2: he thought they were more on a break than her

531
00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:34,824
Speaker 2: and he hooked up with one girl twice. Does that

532
00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:35,424
Speaker 2: make it better?

533
00:21:36,024 --> 00:21:36,224
Speaker 1: No?

534
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Speaker 2: And I told her, and then they broke up and

535
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Speaker 2: then they got engaged.

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Speaker 1: Okay, kids today, Yeah, kids today. So I've seen some

537
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Speaker 1: of the memes out there and people are like, what.

538
00:21:45,384 --> 00:21:49,064
Speaker 2: People how hate this boy? His name is Gavin Casslegno,

539
00:21:49,344 --> 00:21:51,864
Speaker 2: although he might change that going forward because of the hatred.

540
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,424
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about this is that we're only a

541
00:21:54,464 --> 00:21:57,024
Speaker 2: few episodes from the finale, but way back at the

542
00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:59,344
Speaker 2: beginning of the season, just before the show came out,

543
00:21:59,544 --> 00:22:01,624
Speaker 2: the network who makes the Summer and Turn pretty put

544
00:22:01,664 --> 00:22:06,384
Speaker 2: out all these warnings to fans, basically saying no hate speech,

545
00:22:06,464 --> 00:22:10,024
Speaker 2: do not attack this man, please remember these a fictional characters,

546
00:22:10,064 --> 00:22:13,424
Speaker 2: Please remembers the fictional world, and please do not basically

547
00:22:13,464 --> 00:22:15,624
Speaker 2: abuse people and send them death threats because of the

548
00:22:15,704 --> 00:22:17,864
Speaker 2: character they play. And can I tell you that warning

549
00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:18,984
Speaker 2: did not work? Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not the first time this sort

551
00:22:21,184 --> 00:22:23,984
Speaker 1: of thing has happened. But I read what Gavin said.

552
00:22:23,984 --> 00:22:26,384
Speaker 1: He said, I don't check Instagram anymore, so I haven't

553
00:22:26,424 --> 00:22:28,784
Speaker 1: seen that much hate. The only thing that I see

554
00:22:28,824 --> 00:22:31,344
Speaker 1: is my sister's sending me the memes that are really funny,

555
00:22:31,384 --> 00:22:33,464
Speaker 1: but people are sending him death threats.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I understand that he's trying not to ignite

557
00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:38,424
Speaker 2: the situation, and I do feel for him because people

558
00:22:38,464 --> 00:22:41,424
Speaker 2: have taken it really far, because it's not a normal

559
00:22:41,464 --> 00:22:43,984
Speaker 2: love triangle. You have, like at a really good love triangle,

560
00:22:44,024 --> 00:22:46,224
Speaker 2: and I love a love triangle I on YouTube, not

561
00:22:46,304 --> 00:22:48,224
Speaker 2: in real lifelo that can be fun like a fictional

562
00:22:48,264 --> 00:22:50,704
Speaker 2: love triangle. So in a love triangle, you kind of

563
00:22:50,704 --> 00:22:53,024
Speaker 2: want both characters to be appealing, like you won't be

564
00:22:53,064 --> 00:22:56,784
Speaker 2: able to swing either way. In this one, ninety eight

565
00:22:56,824 --> 00:22:59,224
Speaker 2: percent of people want her to be a Conrad and

566
00:22:59,424 --> 00:23:01,464
Speaker 2: love Conrad even though he's got problems. To you, its

567
00:23:01,504 --> 00:23:04,584
Speaker 2: bit of a sad sack. And then people hate Deeremiah

568
00:23:04,704 --> 00:23:07,304
Speaker 2: with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. So it's

569
00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:09,144
Speaker 2: not a normal kind of love triangle.

570
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting to because that basically tells me that

571
00:23:12,864 --> 00:23:15,984
Speaker 1: Gavin's just a really good actor. We like it, like

572
00:23:16,184 --> 00:23:20,064
Speaker 1: when people are so invested in a character that they

573
00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:23,464
Speaker 1: turn to the actor playing them and reach out and

574
00:23:23,504 --> 00:23:27,504
Speaker 1: they're like, I hate you so much. It kind of

575
00:23:27,584 --> 00:23:31,344
Speaker 1: says a little bit about how believable that they are

576
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Speaker 1: a normally.

577
00:23:32,664 --> 00:23:35,264
Speaker 2: Yes, again, I'm not jumping on the Gavin hate training

578
00:23:35,304 --> 00:23:37,784
Speaker 2: because I do fear for that poor boy's safety. But

579
00:23:38,064 --> 00:23:40,984
Speaker 2: sometimes in interviews and things, he does sort of speak

580
00:23:41,064 --> 00:23:43,424
Speaker 2: like Jeremiah and stuff. And the thing is, Jeremi is

581
00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:44,944
Speaker 2: you're not meant to hate him. You're actually meant to

582
00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:46,944
Speaker 2: like him, So he's not supposed to be a villain.

583
00:23:47,144 --> 00:23:49,504
Speaker 2: People have just decided they hate the way he speaks.

584
00:23:49,664 --> 00:23:51,784
Speaker 2: They hate the way he wanted a particular wedding cake

585
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:54,344
Speaker 2: for his wedding, like stuff like that he's not actually doing.

586
00:23:54,384 --> 00:23:55,944
Speaker 2: They don't hate him because of the cheating stuff. They

587
00:23:55,984 --> 00:23:58,104
Speaker 2: hate the way he speaks and the way his face

588
00:23:58,224 --> 00:24:01,024
Speaker 2: moves on screen. I'm not laughing. It's so mean. And

589
00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,144
Speaker 2: then they hate the actor for portraying him because they

590
00:24:03,144 --> 00:24:04,784
Speaker 2: think he's a bit of a douche in real life.

591
00:24:05,104 --> 00:24:07,584
Speaker 2: Is what's happening, okay? And also when he's saying that

592
00:24:07,664 --> 00:24:09,904
Speaker 2: he doesn't see the hate, he kind of does like

593
00:24:09,944 --> 00:24:12,544
Speaker 2: he's been the comments. He's seen things. Also, when they

594
00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:14,464
Speaker 2: first died the press tour, he would walk out on

595
00:24:14,544 --> 00:24:17,904
Speaker 2: stage all the fan events and get boods so intently

596
00:24:18,024 --> 00:24:20,504
Speaker 2: security had to go out and get people to calm down.

597
00:24:20,984 --> 00:24:23,704
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Jack Gleeson, who played

598
00:24:23,744 --> 00:24:29,184
Speaker 1: Jeoffrey Baathian in Game of Thrones, who is an excellent actor. Yes,

599
00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:31,064
Speaker 1: that is a case, and that's kind of where I

600
00:24:31,104 --> 00:24:35,504
Speaker 1: was coming from, But basically, Jeoffrey Baathian notoriously a really

601
00:24:35,784 --> 00:24:39,424
Speaker 1: really awful character, both in the books and on screen.

602
00:24:39,984 --> 00:24:42,544
Speaker 1: Everyone was very happy when he died of poison. Sorry

603
00:24:42,584 --> 00:24:44,304
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it yet, but I mean it's

604
00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:46,824
Speaker 1: been a number of years, it's probably time. But when

605
00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:49,624
Speaker 1: he died, everyone was like thrilled. But the amount of

606
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:53,584
Speaker 1: hate that Jack Leeson got, he actually came out and said,

607
00:24:54,224 --> 00:24:56,944
Speaker 1: I'm quitting acting. I can't. I can't deal with this

608
00:24:56,984 --> 00:25:00,704
Speaker 1: because it was too intense. And to that point, I'm

609
00:25:00,744 --> 00:25:04,264
Speaker 1: like that poor boy who's done this role since he

610
00:25:04,424 --> 00:25:08,344
Speaker 1: was a child, done an excellent job of portraying this

611
00:25:08,504 --> 00:25:13,624
Speaker 1: really awful character. But then it translates into his real life,

612
00:25:13,624 --> 00:25:16,544
Speaker 1: which is actually just really sad. And so the first again,

613
00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:18,904
Speaker 1: there's like multiple examples of this happening.

614
00:25:19,304 --> 00:25:23,344
Speaker 2: Obviously, people shouldn't be bullying and sending hate to Gavin

615
00:25:23,384 --> 00:25:25,104
Speaker 2: from the summer and time pretty because I don't like

616
00:25:25,144 --> 00:25:27,384
Speaker 2: the way he speaks. But I think it's really different

617
00:25:27,424 --> 00:25:29,504
Speaker 2: with Jack Glees and from Game of Thrones because again

618
00:25:29,584 --> 00:25:31,424
Speaker 2: he came in and did exactly what he was supposed

619
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Speaker 2: to do, which is make people hate him, and people

620
00:25:33,984 --> 00:25:36,504
Speaker 2: would like follow him through the streets like when he

621
00:25:36,544 --> 00:25:40,224
Speaker 2: was still a child actor, screaming abuse at him. People

622
00:25:40,264 --> 00:25:42,784
Speaker 2: would send him like awful death threats. People would line

623
00:25:42,864 --> 00:25:45,944
Speaker 2: up at conventions to terrorize him and he'd have to

624
00:25:45,944 --> 00:25:48,864
Speaker 2: be taken from the building with security. Those people need

625
00:25:48,864 --> 00:25:50,464
Speaker 2: to be locked up. That is crazy. And I'm a

626
00:25:50,464 --> 00:25:53,144
Speaker 2: big fan girl of things too. I understand getting too

627
00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:56,064
Speaker 2: emotionally involved in TV shows. That's the thing. Like if

628
00:25:56,064 --> 00:25:58,744
Speaker 2: you've done admin to bully someone that you've like booked

629
00:25:58,744 --> 00:26:02,104
Speaker 2: a ticket, organized parking, packed a launch just to go

630
00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:04,504
Speaker 2: and terrorize a child, then you should be locked up.

631
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Speaker 1: So I interviewed Alfie Allen when he came out for

632
00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:10,184
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones when he was the young Gray Joy

633
00:26:09,944 --> 00:26:13,344
Speaker 1: and also another really hated character in Game of Thrones.

634
00:26:13,744 --> 00:26:17,064
Speaker 1: At this point, I think he was reek. He had

635
00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:20,784
Speaker 1: kind of that character has shift had happened, but I

636
00:26:20,824 --> 00:26:23,024
Speaker 1: really hated him as a character, but they're meeting him

637
00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:25,464
Speaker 1: in real life. I was very much aware of the

638
00:26:25,504 --> 00:26:28,664
Speaker 1: fact that he is not theond gray Joy. He is

639
00:26:29,304 --> 00:26:30,984
Speaker 1: Lily Allen's little brother.

640
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Speaker 2: I think he called a villain. He hates some people

641
00:26:33,344 --> 00:26:34,584
Speaker 2: say that, I know he does.

642
00:26:34,624 --> 00:26:36,384
Speaker 1: He does. I didn't ask him about it because it

643
00:26:36,384 --> 00:26:39,824
Speaker 1: was specifically requested not to, but yeah, it's funny. I

644
00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:42,744
Speaker 1: think when you've got to be able to separate that,

645
00:26:42,864 --> 00:26:44,464
Speaker 1: like I mean, I know we were talking about you

646
00:26:44,504 --> 00:26:48,304
Speaker 1: don't like beings separating characters, but sometimes I think in

647
00:26:48,304 --> 00:26:50,584
Speaker 1: this case, it is important to separate the character.

648
00:26:50,624 --> 00:26:52,264
Speaker 2: I want to see character as a human. But the

649
00:26:52,264 --> 00:26:54,464
Speaker 2: caveat on that is that I don't go and abuse

650
00:26:54,504 --> 00:26:56,624
Speaker 2: some online. I just don't follow them on Instagram. And

651
00:26:56,664 --> 00:26:59,864
Speaker 2: I think that's the healthy thing to do, because yeah,

652
00:26:59,944 --> 00:27:02,344
Speaker 2: fandoms are crazy. It kind of made me think also

653
00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:05,824
Speaker 2: of like Vanessa Morgan who came into Riverdale playing Tony,

654
00:27:05,864 --> 00:27:07,544
Speaker 2: and when she came on, people thought she was going

655
00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:10,784
Speaker 2: to disdrop like the Jughead and Betty Cooper's storyline, even

656
00:27:10,784 --> 00:27:12,784
Speaker 2: though she obviously ended up getting with someone else on

657
00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:15,544
Speaker 2: the cast and people love them together. But she said

658
00:27:15,544 --> 00:27:17,024
Speaker 2: when she got on the show and she was coming

659
00:27:17,024 --> 00:27:18,864
Speaker 2: in to be this antagonist and a love story that

660
00:27:18,944 --> 00:27:21,704
Speaker 2: she started getting death threats as well. And the thing

661
00:27:21,744 --> 00:27:23,904
Speaker 2: about that is like, there's not a lot of protection

662
00:27:24,024 --> 00:27:26,464
Speaker 2: for actors when that happens. It has to be like, oh, well,

663
00:27:26,464 --> 00:27:29,224
Speaker 2: if they try something, we'll stop it. So she went

664
00:27:29,224 --> 00:27:31,744
Speaker 2: through that whole season of Rivedel being like booed in

665
00:27:31,784 --> 00:27:34,784
Speaker 2: the streets getting death threats, having to like monitor her

666
00:27:34,864 --> 00:27:37,464
Speaker 2: socials for like real life threats or because people thought

667
00:27:37,464 --> 00:27:40,184
Speaker 2: she was going to kiss Joghead. That's crazy behavior.

668
00:27:39,904 --> 00:27:42,864
Speaker 1: It's sinsanity. So I think the moral of this story

669
00:27:43,064 --> 00:27:47,304
Speaker 1: is fandom is great, but just maybe take it down.

670
00:27:47,424 --> 00:27:50,704
Speaker 2: Not yeah, and I do. I'm worried for Gavin's safety

671
00:27:50,744 --> 00:27:52,904
Speaker 2: as we come into the last few episodes of the summer.

672
00:27:52,944 --> 00:27:55,264
Speaker 2: I turned pretty and I speak from real life experience

673
00:27:55,264 --> 00:27:58,384
Speaker 2: because on this very podcast, all I said innoctantly once

674
00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:00,864
Speaker 2: was like I didn't dislike Jeremiah. I actually thought he

675
00:28:00,904 --> 00:28:04,184
Speaker 2: came across very well in one episode. And holy hell,

676
00:28:04,304 --> 00:28:06,984
Speaker 2: have I have said way more controversial things on this pod.

677
00:28:07,184 --> 00:28:09,144
Speaker 2: I have said things that probably weren't like a bit

678
00:28:09,184 --> 00:28:11,424
Speaker 2: of backlash. Well I did with say like I don't

679
00:28:11,464 --> 00:28:13,704
Speaker 2: think this man is the devil and I have never

680
00:28:13,944 --> 00:28:16,744
Speaker 2: had such an avalanche of hate against me for saying that,

681
00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:18,184
Speaker 2: and I stand by it. I still think I actually

682
00:28:18,224 --> 00:28:20,224
Speaker 2: don't think either of them are great choices, to be honest,

683
00:28:20,504 --> 00:28:21,904
Speaker 2: But she'll end up with one of them. We all

684
00:28:21,984 --> 00:28:24,664
Speaker 2: know which one because the book's already reden written. But yeah,

685
00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:28,304
Speaker 2: it's right, spoil it for me there. I know, I'll

686
00:28:28,304 --> 00:28:29,664
Speaker 2: spoil it for you, like I don't know who you'll be,

687
00:28:29,704 --> 00:28:32,744
Speaker 2: Like I don't know who these people are. So I

688
00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:35,264
Speaker 2: always find that Britney Spears and sort of where she

689
00:28:35,464 --> 00:28:37,664
Speaker 2: is at now in her life and career is a

690
00:28:37,704 --> 00:28:41,824
Speaker 2: really difficult topic to cover, only because I feel like

691
00:28:41,864 --> 00:28:44,824
Speaker 2: we went through this huge cultural moment with her when

692
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,864
Speaker 2: she was sort of seen to have this big fall

693
00:28:47,904 --> 00:28:50,944
Speaker 2: from grace and that she was this scandalized pop star

694
00:28:50,984 --> 00:28:53,624
Speaker 2: who had all these problems, and then over time it

695
00:28:53,664 --> 00:28:55,784
Speaker 2: came out what was really happening behind the scenes with

696
00:28:55,824 --> 00:28:59,064
Speaker 2: her being in this conservative ship and the strings that

697
00:28:59,064 --> 00:29:01,384
Speaker 2: were being pulled behind the scenes. And then there was

698
00:29:01,424 --> 00:29:04,184
Speaker 2: this moment where I think so many people across the world,

699
00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:07,384
Speaker 2: like both old fans of hers and Knew, really joined

700
00:29:07,384 --> 00:29:09,384
Speaker 2: together and this kind of what people saw as like

701
00:29:09,384 --> 00:29:12,704
Speaker 2: a big freedom fight, this thing of we're going to

702
00:29:12,784 --> 00:29:15,224
Speaker 2: free this woman and she's being held captive, and it's

703
00:29:15,264 --> 00:29:17,624
Speaker 2: like everyone thought they were knights and shining armor and

704
00:29:17,704 --> 00:29:19,464
Speaker 2: she was a princess up in this tower they were

705
00:29:19,464 --> 00:29:22,424
Speaker 2: gonna save. And obviously there were so many terrible things

706
00:29:22,464 --> 00:29:25,984
Speaker 2: happening to Britney Spears behind the scenes, and when her

707
00:29:26,104 --> 00:29:30,304
Speaker 2: conservativeship was lifted and she was allowed to regain some

708
00:29:30,344 --> 00:29:32,744
Speaker 2: control of her life, that was a really positive thing.

709
00:29:33,264 --> 00:29:35,704
Speaker 2: But I feel like over the years since that has happened,

710
00:29:36,064 --> 00:29:39,064
Speaker 2: there's been this sort of disappointment from fans and fans

711
00:29:39,104 --> 00:29:42,904
Speaker 2: turning away from her or new conspiracy theories because she

712
00:29:42,984 --> 00:29:45,944
Speaker 2: sort of continues to live a life where the video

713
00:29:46,024 --> 00:29:49,704
Speaker 2: she posts from Homer ones of her dancing or speaking

714
00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:52,744
Speaker 2: in like a manner where people can't understand what she's saying,

715
00:29:52,784 --> 00:29:55,584
Speaker 2: and it's like she hasn't been this sort of perfect

716
00:29:55,704 --> 00:29:57,624
Speaker 2: rescued victim that people wanted her to be.

717
00:29:57,984 --> 00:30:01,864
Speaker 1: I think maybe turning away from her is not I

718
00:30:01,984 --> 00:30:03,984
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, but I feel like it's almost

719
00:30:04,064 --> 00:30:07,664
Speaker 1: like it's just this like added concern because the posts,

720
00:30:08,384 --> 00:30:10,944
Speaker 1: and we have seen this for years now. Now the

721
00:30:10,984 --> 00:30:16,624
Speaker 1: posts are concerning and people are genuinely worried for her,

722
00:30:17,344 --> 00:30:20,304
Speaker 1: And the most recent one was in an Instagram post

723
00:30:20,344 --> 00:30:24,664
Speaker 1: where she was basically completely naked, which is now being deleted.

724
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:29,184
Speaker 1: But what people really caught hold of in this was

725
00:30:29,384 --> 00:30:34,864
Speaker 1: the comment attached to the post itself. So the comment

726
00:30:34,944 --> 00:30:38,904
Speaker 1: that she made was in relation to her marriage to

727
00:30:39,064 --> 00:30:43,224
Speaker 1: Sam Ascari, who they were married for three years. He

728
00:30:43,304 --> 00:30:46,784
Speaker 1: has said nothing but lovely things about her, and she says,

729
00:30:47,144 --> 00:30:50,304
Speaker 1: we're just people, so fragile and human. The hardest years

730
00:30:50,304 --> 00:30:53,224
Speaker 1: of my life were my two sons gone for those

731
00:30:53,304 --> 00:30:58,184
Speaker 1: three years, and she basically talks about how this marriage

732
00:30:58,224 --> 00:31:01,944
Speaker 1: was just a distraction. The whole thing is incredibly sad.

733
00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:04,504
Speaker 1: So they got married in twenty twenty two. There are

734
00:31:04,544 --> 00:31:07,504
Speaker 1: a number of big profile celebrities there. I think Barrymore

735
00:31:07,584 --> 00:31:10,344
Speaker 1: was there, Madonna was there, but none of Brittney's face

736
00:31:10,664 --> 00:31:13,664
Speaker 1: was there, including her two sons who she was estranged

737
00:31:13,704 --> 00:31:17,504
Speaker 1: from at the time. So she's basically referring to this

738
00:31:17,664 --> 00:31:21,784
Speaker 1: moment in her life as being a really sad time

739
00:31:21,864 --> 00:31:26,464
Speaker 1: for her, which is so contrary to what Sam has

740
00:31:26,464 --> 00:31:27,984
Speaker 1: said about their relationship.

741
00:31:28,704 --> 00:31:31,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so sort of different to how that wedding

742
00:31:31,744 --> 00:31:34,184
Speaker 2: was taking at the time, because I was looking at

743
00:31:34,304 --> 00:31:35,784
Speaker 2: the video she put up with and I was looking

744
00:31:35,784 --> 00:31:37,304
Speaker 2: at the caption, like you said, it has all been

745
00:31:37,344 --> 00:31:39,744
Speaker 2: deleted now, which is something that she often does, especially

746
00:31:39,784 --> 00:31:42,704
Speaker 2: when the comment section starts firing up and people start

747
00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:46,504
Speaker 2: getting angry. Is talking about the marriage being a distraction

748
00:31:46,664 --> 00:31:48,504
Speaker 2: and her saying I don't know why I did that,

749
00:31:48,944 --> 00:31:51,504
Speaker 2: and kind of removing herself from the situation. And why

750
00:31:51,504 --> 00:31:54,024
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting is that that wedding was

751
00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:57,384
Speaker 2: seen as like a group's success for the world because

752
00:31:57,864 --> 00:32:00,744
Speaker 2: she and Sam were together for so many years throughout

753
00:32:00,784 --> 00:32:03,944
Speaker 2: the Conservatorship, and he was sort of seen as this

754
00:32:04,064 --> 00:32:06,704
Speaker 2: like ally who would stay with her through thick and thin.

755
00:32:07,384 --> 00:32:09,904
Speaker 2: Like previously to the Conservative Ship, she'd had a few

756
00:32:10,424 --> 00:32:12,904
Speaker 2: different boyfriends, like a paparazzo she dated, and all these

757
00:32:12,944 --> 00:32:15,064
Speaker 2: sorts of things who were sort of looking to be

758
00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:19,704
Speaker 2: like mooching off her and exploiting her and word on

759
00:32:19,784 --> 00:32:22,104
Speaker 2: like the streets of Hollywood where they lived, was that

760
00:32:22,184 --> 00:32:24,264
Speaker 2: Sam would get approached to tell her was on her,

761
00:32:24,304 --> 00:32:26,544
Speaker 2: and he would always say no. He would get approached

762
00:32:26,584 --> 00:32:28,944
Speaker 2: like sell secrets on her, he would say no. He

763
00:32:29,304 --> 00:32:31,664
Speaker 2: was an aspiring actor, and I guess people did know

764
00:32:31,744 --> 00:32:33,824
Speaker 2: him as being Britney Spear's boyfriend, but he was always

765
00:32:33,864 --> 00:32:36,144
Speaker 2: really strict in interviews that he wouldn't speak about her,

766
00:32:36,544 --> 00:32:38,784
Speaker 2: so everyone thought he was like this diamond in the

767
00:32:38,864 --> 00:32:41,064
Speaker 2: rough who was like truly in love with Britney Spears.

768
00:32:41,064 --> 00:32:43,304
Speaker 2: It would never cash in on her name. And so

769
00:32:43,424 --> 00:32:46,224
Speaker 2: when they had their wedding, because it happened after the

770
00:32:46,224 --> 00:32:48,544
Speaker 2: Conservatives ship ended, and some of the details from the

771
00:32:48,584 --> 00:32:51,464
Speaker 2: Conservative ship was that she wasn't allowed to get married,

772
00:32:51,504 --> 00:32:52,984
Speaker 2: that she wasn't allowed to have a child, like she

773
00:32:53,024 --> 00:32:55,784
Speaker 2: had no autonomy over her body, and so everyone saw

774
00:32:55,824 --> 00:32:58,664
Speaker 2: her wedding as like a celebration of freedom more than

775
00:32:58,664 --> 00:33:00,904
Speaker 2: a wedding. And it did look so glossy, and a

776
00:33:00,904 --> 00:33:04,024
Speaker 2: few like looking at the stitchures, it did look glossy

777
00:33:04,104 --> 00:33:07,784
Speaker 2: and beautiful, and it's this fairytale wedding and it seems

778
00:33:07,824 --> 00:33:10,544
Speaker 2: so beautiful until you sort of this caption made me

779
00:33:10,584 --> 00:33:13,024
Speaker 2: think of like behind the surface, it seemed like a

780
00:33:13,064 --> 00:33:15,664
Speaker 2: really lonely thing for her to go through because she

781
00:33:15,704 --> 00:33:17,464
Speaker 2: didn't have her family there, She didn't have any of

782
00:33:17,464 --> 00:33:20,184
Speaker 2: her old team and friends there. And those pictures of

783
00:33:20,184 --> 00:33:23,624
Speaker 2: her with all those celebrities went viral, but if you

784
00:33:23,704 --> 00:33:25,464
Speaker 2: look at who was there, like, yeah, she's been friends

785
00:33:25,464 --> 00:33:27,424
Speaker 2: with Paris Hilton for a long time and they were

786
00:33:27,464 --> 00:33:30,144
Speaker 2: truly friends. Drew Barrier Moore and her have had a connection.

787
00:33:30,264 --> 00:33:32,744
Speaker 2: But other celebrities like Selena Gomez went to that wedding

788
00:33:32,864 --> 00:33:35,224
Speaker 2: and she'd never met Britney Spears before. She was just

789
00:33:35,224 --> 00:33:37,304
Speaker 2: going because she was invited along with a whole bunch

790
00:33:37,344 --> 00:33:40,224
Speaker 2: of other celebrities, and she wanted to be supportive. And

791
00:33:40,384 --> 00:33:42,624
Speaker 2: we now know that so many people in that room

792
00:33:42,664 --> 00:33:44,984
Speaker 2: had never met Brittany before, Like they weren't her people,

793
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:46,304
Speaker 2: they were just there to fill the room.

794
00:33:46,544 --> 00:33:48,424
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's that whole kind of you know,

795
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:50,064
Speaker 1: you can be in a room full of people and

796
00:33:50,104 --> 00:33:53,424
Speaker 1: feel really lonely, Like people in New York often say

797
00:33:53,464 --> 00:33:55,504
Speaker 1: that New York can actually be a really lonely place

798
00:33:55,584 --> 00:33:58,544
Speaker 1: even though there's millions of people there, you're just kind

799
00:33:58,544 --> 00:34:02,624
Speaker 1: of very, very isolated. What I do think, though, is

800
00:34:02,704 --> 00:34:06,624
Speaker 1: Sam is a class act because he actually responded people

801
00:34:06,624 --> 00:34:10,384
Speaker 1: reached out to him for comment. He responded to what

802
00:34:10,424 --> 00:34:13,504
Speaker 1: Brittany has said, and he said, our marriage was very

803
00:34:13,544 --> 00:34:16,024
Speaker 1: real to me. It may have been sure, but we

804
00:34:16,024 --> 00:34:17,984
Speaker 1: were together for seven years. I was in love with

805
00:34:18,024 --> 00:34:19,864
Speaker 1: her and will always have love for her and wish

806
00:34:19,864 --> 00:34:24,744
Speaker 1: her the best always. Quite frankly, that man has not

807
00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:28,984
Speaker 1: spoken poorly about her. He has not sort of tried

808
00:34:28,984 --> 00:34:30,824
Speaker 1: to cash in, you know. He said a couple of

809
00:34:30,864 --> 00:34:34,544
Speaker 1: things about Kevin Federline, Yeah, which fair but yeah fair

810
00:34:34,624 --> 00:34:37,304
Speaker 1: as a professional my dad, I honestly, I do think

811
00:34:37,344 --> 00:34:39,744
Speaker 1: he's a class act with the way that he's handled this,

812
00:34:39,904 --> 00:34:44,944
Speaker 1: Like he could easily be out there trashing Brittany and

813
00:34:45,144 --> 00:34:47,424
Speaker 1: saying all these behind the scenes things and talking about

814
00:34:47,464 --> 00:34:49,904
Speaker 1: why people are concerned for her.

815
00:34:49,664 --> 00:34:51,064
Speaker 2: But he's not doing that.

816
00:34:51,224 --> 00:34:54,024
Speaker 1: So it's really sad to me that that's the way

817
00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:58,624
Speaker 1: that she felt in that moment of her marriage. But

818
00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:01,584
Speaker 1: perhaps that was, you know, her way of trying to

819
00:35:01,784 --> 00:35:05,264
Speaker 1: escape from this kind of prison that she had been

820
00:35:05,304 --> 00:35:06,424
Speaker 1: in for so many years.

821
00:35:06,704 --> 00:35:08,624
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like when you first got your like

822
00:35:08,664 --> 00:35:11,224
Speaker 2: autonomy bag access to your banking you could do whatever

823
00:35:11,224 --> 00:35:13,624
Speaker 2: you wanted. That you would have a wedding as a

824
00:35:13,624 --> 00:35:15,464
Speaker 2: way to kind of like and I think a lot

825
00:35:15,504 --> 00:35:17,664
Speaker 2: of people do want a wedding and not a marriage,

826
00:35:17,704 --> 00:35:19,184
Speaker 2: and so they want the big party and they want

827
00:35:19,184 --> 00:35:22,224
Speaker 2: the celebration. And she went all out with the fairytale details.

828
00:35:22,224 --> 00:35:24,744
Speaker 2: There was a carriage and a horse and all those

829
00:35:24,784 --> 00:35:27,424
Speaker 2: fairy lights, and she had a princess gown and this

830
00:35:27,464 --> 00:35:30,344
Speaker 2: princess cake. And then it was all ruined anyway, because

831
00:35:30,344 --> 00:35:33,904
Speaker 2: remember how Jason Alexander, her first husband who she married

832
00:35:34,064 --> 00:35:37,344
Speaker 2: for was it fifty five hours in Las Vegas, broke

833
00:35:37,424 --> 00:35:40,504
Speaker 2: into the home and live streamed it all saying he

834
00:35:40,584 --> 00:35:42,904
Speaker 2: was going to win Britney back, and he was arrested

835
00:35:42,944 --> 00:35:44,864
Speaker 2: and charged with all these different things and was also

836
00:35:44,984 --> 00:35:47,304
Speaker 2: threatening her. And even that at the time, people were like, oh,

837
00:35:47,344 --> 00:35:49,784
Speaker 2: we love a bit of scandal, We love her ex

838
00:35:49,864 --> 00:35:52,304
Speaker 2: husband coming to win her back. And it's like the

839
00:35:52,424 --> 00:35:54,944
Speaker 2: spin was so crazy because I'm like, he wasn't standing

840
00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:58,264
Speaker 2: outside with a boombox and a bunch of flowers being like, Brittany,

841
00:35:58,264 --> 00:36:00,824
Speaker 2: I love you. He's like live streamed breaking into her

842
00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:03,504
Speaker 2: home and he got in through all of the security

843
00:36:03,544 --> 00:36:06,184
Speaker 2: that Britney Spears had around her mansion, made it all

844
00:36:06,224 --> 00:36:09,144
Speaker 2: the way into the home and then was saying some

845
00:36:09,184 --> 00:36:11,984
Speaker 2: pretty threatening things, and even that people kind of made

846
00:36:12,024 --> 00:36:13,744
Speaker 2: into a bit of a fairy tale. It was wild

847
00:36:13,824 --> 00:36:16,664
Speaker 2: looking back on it now, Yeah, and I just I.

848
00:36:16,664 --> 00:36:19,904
Speaker 1: Know we are quite sort of conscious about talking about

849
00:36:19,904 --> 00:36:24,024
Speaker 1: Brittany because it is such a loaded topic and there

850
00:36:24,064 --> 00:36:27,984
Speaker 1: are so many things that we don't know about. But yeah,

851
00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:31,464
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that she talks about this time in

852
00:36:31,504 --> 00:36:35,264
Speaker 1: her life that people viewed as being so happy and

853
00:36:35,504 --> 00:36:40,464
Speaker 1: joyous and wonderful, now her talking about it being like

854
00:36:40,544 --> 00:36:44,584
Speaker 1: one of the worst periods of her life and again.

855
00:36:44,584 --> 00:36:47,464
Speaker 2: Saying that the weddages yeah, yeah, exactly, and not saying

856
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Speaker 2: the wedding was one of the worst moments of her life,

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Speaker 2: but more so because she had that estrange friend from

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Speaker 2: her sons, which she still has to an extent, like

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00:36:54,784 --> 00:36:57,024
Speaker 2: she has seen them over the year since then. But

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Speaker 2: then there's this awful thread that like, once they get

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00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:02,104
Speaker 2: to a certain age, the money that she's paying Kevin

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Speaker 2: Fedline to look after them, then she won't legally have

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00:37:04,624 --> 00:37:08,064
Speaker 2: to pay parental support. So this idea was like, ah,

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00:37:08,344 --> 00:37:11,504
Speaker 2: Kevin Federline and her sons just trying to get back

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Speaker 2: in her good graces and play on her like wanting

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Speaker 2: to see her kids because they know the gravy train's

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Speaker 2: about to end.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, as soon as they turn eighteen, that money

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Speaker 1: that Kevin Vadaline's getting, which is why I think he's

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Speaker 1: writing the book, but that's a whole nother topic. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's just my opinion, But he's about to lose all

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00:37:28,064 --> 00:37:30,904
Speaker 1: his income, all of his income, he's monthly stipend that

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Speaker 1: he gets from her, his spousal support, his child support

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00:37:33,544 --> 00:37:35,664
Speaker 1: that he gets. He's about to lose that. He's got

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Speaker 1: a cash in somehow. But I just feel so sad

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Speaker 1: for her. I just feel like the whole situation to

877
00:37:41,704 --> 00:37:45,704
Speaker 1: me is tragic and that poor woman has had a

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00:37:45,744 --> 00:37:50,984
Speaker 1: life that is just the biggest warning against Child's stars

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Speaker 1: in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it continues to be a hard conversation, and I

881
00:37:54,344 --> 00:37:56,984
Speaker 2: do think that like a lot of people have pulled

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00:37:57,024 --> 00:37:59,464
Speaker 2: back on reporting and every time she posts a photo

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00:37:59,624 --> 00:38:02,344
Speaker 2: or a caption, obviously this one because it involved her

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00:38:02,384 --> 00:38:04,584
Speaker 2: saying something about her wedding she hasn't said before and

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Speaker 2: Sam responding I don't know about Sam Ascari, Like I

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00:38:07,504 --> 00:38:09,504
Speaker 2: don't know the dude, but and a lot of people

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00:38:09,744 --> 00:38:11,984
Speaker 2: love loved him on reality shows he's done and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I also think that he just knows that if

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00:38:14,224 --> 00:38:16,224
Speaker 2: he trash talks her in any way, people will not

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Speaker 2: have that. And he's so trying to build up his

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Speaker 2: own stardom. That it could just be because he's a

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00:38:21,144 --> 00:38:23,064
Speaker 2: really nice guy and I want to believe that's true,

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00:38:23,504 --> 00:38:25,784
Speaker 2: or it could be because he knows that that's not

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00:38:25,824 --> 00:38:28,624
Speaker 2: the area for him to play in, and that anytime

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Speaker 2: he goes on a reality show and he interacts with

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00:38:30,424 --> 00:38:32,544
Speaker 2: other celebrities or anything like that, they were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Sam's really lovely. I didn't know he was. He didn't

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00:38:34,944 --> 00:38:36,424
Speaker 2: know her, but this or that and stuff, and so

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Speaker 2: he's building up. I don't know if it's an act.

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Speaker 2: I just think that he's playing a clever game where

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00:38:42,344 --> 00:38:46,024
Speaker 2: he's capitalizing on Britney's fame. But he knows the worst

902
00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:48,704
Speaker 2: thing he could do is to say anything bad about

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00:38:48,704 --> 00:38:51,344
Speaker 2: her or allude to anything or anything like that, because

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Speaker 2: then he instantly stops being the sweet guy that was

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Speaker 2: with her for seven years. And he would be a

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00:38:55,864 --> 00:38:57,584
Speaker 2: villain if he did that, if he trash talked her

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Speaker 2: in any way.

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Speaker 1: And it's very cynical of you. You're usually such a romantic well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this world has hearted me. Watching what happened

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00:39:04,504 --> 00:39:06,904
Speaker 2: to Britney Spears has hearted me. But I don't know

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00:39:06,904 --> 00:39:08,944
Speaker 2: this woman. I don't know what's happening, but I do

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00:39:09,024 --> 00:39:11,344
Speaker 2: feel like, people are very sad because they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's in this like tragic space, and we don't know

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Speaker 2: that it's just that it's just that her life after

915
00:39:15,984 --> 00:39:19,144
Speaker 2: the conservativeship doesn't look like this princess fairy tale happy

916
00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:22,864
Speaker 2: ending that people expected, and so therefore they think it's bad.

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Speaker 2: But I do think the fact that people laying off

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Speaker 2: her a little bit is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. Guys,

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Speaker 1: o'clock tomorrow with Morning Tea, then back for another episode

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,