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Speaker 2: Just letting you know that this episode discusses sex scene.
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Speaker 1: I'm in Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick coming on on
Speaker 1: the show today. It is Friday, so we're very sexy
Speaker 1: show for you. We do have popped off a very
Speaker 1: sexy scene that was released in britgetwn on Netflix last night.
Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about the sex scenes that
Speaker 1: changed TV in movies. It's gonna get raunchy, it's gonna
Speaker 1: get sad, and then we have Weekend Watch.
Speaker 2: But first we have insight into the upcoming Gladiator film.
Speaker 2: And by inside I mean photos of Paul Mescal looking
Speaker 2: very good with a cigarette in his mouth.
Speaker 1: That boy ever picture without a cigarette recently because there
Speaker 1: was a nowly Portman cigarette photo. There's the photos of
Speaker 1: him walking through London with a cigarette just like hanging
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. I know smoking is really bad
Speaker 1: for you, which is why you're not allowed to glimse it.
Speaker 2: Profess Marlborough, haven't jumped on there.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's smoking has been taken out of
Speaker 1: movies and TV shows, like there's rules around what you
Speaker 1: can show because it was overly glamorizing it and everyone
Speaker 1: wanted to have a sexy cigarette. And this is having
Speaker 1: the same effect on you because this morning you were
Speaker 1: look at his photos and m's like, I think I
Speaker 1: want to take up some moking.
Speaker 2: Do you think I want to take up smoking for
Speaker 2: the first time in my life as a twenty eight
Speaker 2: year old woman, which I won't because I have really
Speaker 2: bad ass.
Speaker 1: Mum. You know what's not sexy taking a puff of
Speaker 1: a cigarette and then like convulsing on the floor and coughs,
Speaker 1: because every time I've tried it, that's exactly what happens
Speaker 1: until someone takes it off. Well, there you go. Don't
Speaker 1: smoke kids. It's only sexy when Paul does it, not
Speaker 1: for the rest of us.
Speaker 2: So coming back to Gladiators, the film is a sequel
Speaker 2: to the original Gladiator that came out in the year
Speaker 2: two thousand, starring Russell Crowe. In Gladiator to Paul will
Speaker 2: be playing the grown up version of Lucis and The
Speaker 2: film also stars Denzel Washington and Pedro Pascal, who I
Speaker 2: feel like I didn't know about. I think they've been
Speaker 2: washed over by the Paul Mascal ness of it all.
Speaker 1: Oh I think we say you didn't know who Pedro
Speaker 1: Pascal was, and I was like, yeah, imagine i'd be
Speaker 1: That would be a fireable offense not knowing. So you're
Speaker 1: a big, poor fan? Is this because which of his
Speaker 1: work to you? I'm leading into something. I'm gonna yell
Speaker 1: at you about which of his past works do you
Speaker 1: most admire?
Speaker 2: Then? Because I haven't seen any.
Speaker 1: See, this is the thing, Like we've talked about Paul
Speaker 1: so many times.
Speaker 2: How can I tell me about to give me a lesson?
Speaker 2: You start off with, well, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to be condescending to you. It's not
Speaker 1: about that. I'm just saying you're a massive fan of
Speaker 1: this man, but only from pictures of him, and like
Speaker 1: he's an okay looking guy, but his true sexyess comes
Speaker 1: from his role in normal people. That's why people are
Speaker 1: obsessed with him. If it wasn't for his on screen
Speaker 1: and off screen chemistry with Daisy ed Good Jones and
Speaker 1: normal people and how sexy he was.
Speaker 2: There was a whole.
Speaker 1: Instagram and social media accounts dedicated to the necklace he
Speaker 1: wore in that movie because people found it so sexy.
Speaker 1: And you skipped over all of that stuff, and your
Speaker 1: only liking him from photos and in photos, he's just
Speaker 1: another white, nondescript man walking around with a cigarette hanging out
Speaker 1: of his mouth. He's only sexy because of normal people.
Speaker 2: Will agree to disagree.
Speaker 1: A couple of even see normal people.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the beard and normal people which are
Speaker 2: not on board with Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like all about conversations about Paul,
Speaker 1: we've had so many.
Speaker 2: So many Well anyway, over the years. The Gladiator Too
Speaker 2: is apparently coming out later this year, and I think hopefully,
Speaker 2: since seeing these photos, a trailer is on the way.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, I'll give you an update.
Speaker 1: So the second part of British In Season three came
Speaker 1: out last night.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched, no spoilers except for this one spoiler
Speaker 2: your back.
Speaker 1: Well, there's going to be a very mild spoiler here,
Speaker 1: but I think most people know that Part one ended
Speaker 1: with Colin and Penelope having a bit of sexy time
Speaker 1: in the carriage and getting engaged. So it should go
Speaker 1: without saying that this next part of their story has
Speaker 1: some sexy scenes in it, and there's one particular sex scene,
Speaker 1: not getting in any spoilery details, but the way it
Speaker 1: was shot I found really refreshing and just as realistic
Speaker 1: as a TV sex scene can be in a way,
Speaker 1: especially when it's in a show that's known for like
Speaker 1: this regency fantasy series, and like a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: the sex scenes are very much like a beautiful kiss
Speaker 1: and they fall into the bed and everyone's orgasming just
Speaker 1: by touching and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Erl panned to a vase on the table, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's all very whimsical, which I think whimsicalness has a place.
Speaker 1: You can't be watching a realistic sex scene in.
Speaker 2: Every movie, watching it with your parents. Yeah, I'm grateful
Speaker 2: for the whimsical.
Speaker 1: But this I thought was done in a very sweet
Speaker 1: way because it's Penelope's first time having sex, and obviously
Speaker 1: the character of Colin is a lot more experienced and
Speaker 1: very very experience, and they talk about that in the
Speaker 1: sex scene, which I thought was interesting. Obviously is set
Speaker 1: hundreds of years ago, but it felt like a conversation
Speaker 1: you'd almost be having now in modern times about like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of consent in it, of him saying
Speaker 1: like I'm about to do this. Is this okay? Is
Speaker 1: this okay? They both ask each other like is it
Speaker 1: okay if I touchy there? Is it okay if I
Speaker 1: touchy here? And it doesn't take away from any of
Speaker 1: the sexiness of the scene, which I feel like is
Speaker 1: a big criticism A lot of the time when there's
Speaker 1: sex scenes without that sort of consent taught people like, oh,
Speaker 1: but that's so boring and it'll take away from the romance.
Speaker 1: But in this case, I thought it really added to it.
Speaker 1: You can kind of explained to her what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I cannot help that I promised me should only be
Speaker 2: this first time.
Speaker 1: Just felt like exactly like two people having their first
Speaker 1: time together and her having like a bit of pain
Speaker 1: and discomfort when they first start having sex. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's still very kind of wrapped up in a bit
Speaker 1: of lush romance.
Speaker 2: But it's realistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as I was watching it, it got me
Speaker 1: thinking about how much sex scenes have changed on TV
Speaker 1: and in movies over the last couple of years. I feel,
Speaker 1: particularly in the last like five years or so, there's
Speaker 1: been a big change, But really it's been the last
Speaker 1: decade where the way they're filmed, what they're allowed to show,
Speaker 1: the conversations around them have changed. So we wanted to
Speaker 1: talk through a few of our little favorite pop culture
Speaker 1: altering sex scene moments.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have one that is probably the
Speaker 2: first sex scene I've watched as a teenage girl that
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is exactly how
Speaker 2: I felt when I had sex for the first time.
Speaker 2: It was in the film The Spectacular Now I've seen it, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: it stars Miles Teller and Shalne Woodley, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a coming of age, first relationship, teenage drama,
Speaker 2: I want to say so. Shalleene plays Amy, who has
Speaker 2: her first boyfriend, which is Mars Teller, great boyfriend to have,
Speaker 2: and their sex scene was just so real and raw,
Speaker 2: like there wasn't any music. It was in I think
Speaker 2: her parents' house, in her bedroom in the middle of
Speaker 2: the day, which is I feel like how most teenagers
Speaker 2: have sex for the first time and they're just like
Speaker 2: giggling and then they're like clumsily like taking their clothes off,
Speaker 2: and he's like asking if like she's okay, and you
Speaker 2: can tell like she's a bit of pain or like
Speaker 2: discomfort at first, and then she gets really into it,
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad they didn't show her like climaxing,
Speaker 2: which I feel like they've always showed when I was
Speaker 2: younger in those kind of movies. And then they just
Speaker 2: have it once and then they like wake up in
Speaker 2: the middle of the nine and they just like start talking,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is what it's all about. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I do like sometimes when you see these very over dramatized,
Speaker 1: very fancy like sex scenes, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: we look for movies too. We look to them for
Speaker 1: these very elevated moments. But I think if that's all
Speaker 1: you're seeing, it can make it a bit difficult. Like
Speaker 1: for some reason, so many movies I watched, I guess
Speaker 1: it was like the early two thousands and nineties when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and so they were like no
Speaker 1: Wars and no one was watching Bluey or watching like
Speaker 1: pretty Women, dirty Dancing, all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 1: many sex scenes there, and you know, even all like
Speaker 1: rom comsad sex scenes and stuff, and you would always
Speaker 1: just see this like very passionate kissing and they'd fall
Speaker 1: into bed and they'd be under the covers, and like
Speaker 1: I didn't know what they were doing under there, but
Speaker 1: I thought you just kind of rolled around, and that's
Speaker 1: that was kind of sex. And like you also see
Speaker 1: women like orgasman really intently, just from like the moment
Speaker 1: a man touches them on the bed. You know, That's
Speaker 1: why people had so much criticism around like the idea
Speaker 1: of you. The criticism came from you in particular about
Speaker 1: women orgasming like so quickly and making that seem like
Speaker 1: a thing. But at least in the idea of you,
Speaker 1: it was through like not just penetration. But still I
Speaker 1: know that kind of fantasy element.
Speaker 2: And I also feel like with these like films like
Speaker 2: The Spectacular now it is for a younger audience, so
Speaker 2: they have that responsibility to be realistic because I do
Speaker 2: remember either when I was young, I'd either watch like
Speaker 2: the films that you were describing, like really whimsical, but
Speaker 2: also the complete opposite where it felt really scary. Like
Speaker 2: I remember Degrassy the Next Generation, and it made me
Speaker 2: so scared of sex. There's always these like horror scenes
Speaker 2: of girls suddenly getting pregnant or like girls in really
Speaker 2: like unfortunate positions, and it was just like I never
Speaker 2: got the in between.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Oh, the in between is such a hard
Speaker 1: thing to find exactly what you're saying is so important
Speaker 1: of and maybe it's almost why maybe now you're saying
Speaker 1: that it's putting words around why. I kind of liked
Speaker 1: Bridgington because it was that in between a little bit.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be uncomfortable and weird and it's gonna hurt,
Speaker 1: but also it's a little bit sexy and nice like
Speaker 1: that in between Exactly it is so nice. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean we're just getting started here, coming up next scene
Speaker 1: talk more sex. So really to think about my first example,
Speaker 1: because there's so many sex scenes that you know, in
Speaker 1: TV and movies and TV shows that I think have
Speaker 1: really changed the bar. But one I kept coming back
Speaker 1: to because it was the first time I was aware
Speaker 1: of this kind of conversation is Blue Valentine, which came
Speaker 1: out way back in two thousand and scene Valentine, Oh
Speaker 1: you should watch. I mean, it'll destroy your soul, but
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful movie, that old chestnut. So it's ryan
Speaker 1: Gosling and Michelle Williams together and it's about their relationship
Speaker 1: from like there's moments where they're really in love the
Speaker 1: moments where theyre having this this terrible breakup. But why
Speaker 1: that movie made headlines so much at the time despite
Speaker 1: the fact it was a bit of a sexy drama
Speaker 1: between Ryan Gosling Michelle Williams who everyone loves, is that
Speaker 1: there's a scene where Ryan Goslin's character Dean is performing
Speaker 1: oral sex on Michelle Williams's character Cindy. I never now
Speaker 1: that they're performing oral sex. That's like the way they say.
Speaker 2: In the movies.
Speaker 1: I never not the word I way to say it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking. He's going down on her,
Speaker 1: He's going down on her. I'm saying that's the movie
Speaker 1: term they use performing oral sex. And because they shot
Speaker 1: this scene of his character, like there's a whole thing
Speaker 1: of him moving her underwear and like between her legs,
Speaker 1: and you can see the whole thing happening taking place,
Speaker 1: like they'd never moved the camera away. But it's also
Speaker 1: very centered on like her emotion and her pleasure and
Speaker 1: her reaction all that sort of stuff. And because of
Speaker 1: that one oral sex scene. Because it was on a
Speaker 1: woman and not on a man, it was deemed to
Speaker 1: be more inappropriate, more scandalous, like something that people couldn't see.
Speaker 1: And so the movie initially got an NC seventeen rating,
Speaker 1: which is just crazy because it just cuts out who
Speaker 1: can watch it, which cinema is it can be a distribution.
Speaker 1: It really threatened to like overturn this movie, and the
Speaker 1: production team and the actors all fought back against this
Speaker 1: rating because it was going to have such a negative
Speaker 1: effect on the movie. But also it was setting this
Speaker 1: that oral sex from a woman's perspective would always get
Speaker 1: you a higher rating than on a man, which is
Speaker 1: just crazy. So longs and not to make this about
Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling, because I think sometimes men just get so
Speaker 1: much praise for doing so little, but in his case,
Speaker 1: he did come in well. I think they pushed back again,
Speaker 1: said they eventually got given an R rating, and they
Speaker 1: were saying, like all these other movies had come out
Speaker 1: with all these sex scenes of like either women on
Speaker 1: women like Black Swan would get you a lower rating,
Speaker 1: or if it's oral sex being performed on a man,
Speaker 1: the rating would be lower. Ryan Gosling came out and
Speaker 1: was like giving all these interviews about it because he
Speaker 1: was trying to get it overturned, and he was saying, like,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. He's like, I've been in so many movies,
Speaker 1: or I've seen so many movies where the oral sex
Speaker 1: scene is on a man, and I can't believe that
Speaker 1: because ours is reversed, it's been classified as pawn basically,
Speaker 1: whereas if it was a man would be art house cinema.
Speaker 1: So I remember watching that movie and having such a
Speaker 1: kind of a moment watching it, and now I look
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, oh, it's because I've never seen
Speaker 1: that on screen before, and I feel like it just
Speaker 1: was such a game changer.
Speaker 2: I have a bit of a funny one.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, we love funny sex. Thing should be funny
Speaker 1: as well. It should be funny, It should be all things.
Speaker 2: It is a TV show called Chewing Gum Love. It
Speaker 2: stars Mikayla Cole who plays Tracy, who's a twenty four
Speaker 2: year old and the entire TV show you've seen it right.
Speaker 2: TV show is about Tracy like wanting to lose her virginity,
Speaker 2: Like she wants to have sex so badly, and she
Speaker 2: wants to enter womanhood as she calls it, and like
Speaker 2: the build up of sex throughout the whole series is
Speaker 2: you think it's gonna be like this massive thing that's
Speaker 2: about to happen, and then she just kind of does it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's really quick, and she like sings a song.
Speaker 2: I prepared a song, lassing it and during my dom,
Speaker 2: what will he find? It's the world of Adventure. It's
Speaker 2: the world of adventure. We are I smart, and then
Speaker 2: she cries. I think obviously the actual act of having
Speaker 2: sex is not that realistic for most people who have
Speaker 2: sex for the first time, Like I'm sure not a
Speaker 2: lot of people break out into song I but I
Speaker 2: think what is realistic is like when you're a young woman,
Speaker 2: you build it up so much and then it kind
Speaker 2: of just happens. And in the movies, I think they
Speaker 2: build it up and then it becomes this big thing,
Speaker 2: but chewing gum, they just made it happen like real
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is kind of cool, this
Speaker 2: is kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Oh. My next example is kind of similar because it
Speaker 1: was the whole thing of just like it's a simple moment,
Speaker 1: but it becomes grain breaking because of how simple it is.
Speaker 1: And so I know, saying sex education. This conversation is
Speaker 1: a bit like, of course, like the whole point of
Speaker 1: that TV show was to change how we see sex
Speaker 1: scenes on TV, and they did, and they did. I
Speaker 1: just think that there's so many moments to call out.
Speaker 1: But as I was kind of going through and being like,
Speaker 1: which moment from the show really changed the game for
Speaker 1: sex scenes on TV? And I think it was the
Speaker 1: scene where you have George Robinson who played the character Isaac,
Speaker 1: and Emma McKay who played Maye, where he's in a
Speaker 1: wheelchair and he's a quadriplegic in real life, and they
Speaker 1: have that scene where it's interesting because it's wrapped up
Speaker 1: in like talks around like consent and like where we
Speaker 1: can touch each other and where we can sit, and
Speaker 1: also her asking him like, well, what can you actually
Speaker 1: do because of this disability? And then you have this
Speaker 1: really sexy scene that plays outs so hot in the
Speaker 1: way they did it with like cursing in his lap
Speaker 1: on the wheelchair and how it was mapped out. And
Speaker 1: I thought why that was so interesting is that usually
Speaker 1: any character with a disability, well, first of all, they
Speaker 1: don't really exist in TV and film, and like there's
Speaker 1: all these starts around like only three percent of fictional
Speaker 1: characters and scripted TV shows over the years have a disability,
Speaker 1: but they're usually in the background. They're like the tragic character,
Speaker 1: they're the side character. Al they're there to like give
Speaker 1: a bit of a moral compass the character like they
Speaker 1: never have, Yeah, they never have their own kind of
Speaker 1: love stories and sex scene. So kind of just seeing
Speaker 1: this sex scene play out and having it be like
Speaker 1: so hot and so.
Speaker 2: You know, the two main characters.
Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly, I just thought that was groundbreaking. He
Speaker 1: wasn't this moral compass where he was there like teach
Speaker 1: may of a lesson and make her better, Like he's
Speaker 1: jealous and he deletes, yeah, and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But every time I just was rewatching that clip before
Speaker 1: and I was like, God, this is hot, and this
Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of thing we need to see
Speaker 1: on TV.
Speaker 2: More So, I definitely know what I'm doing tonight, and
Speaker 2: it's not what you're thinking. It's watching bridgeton.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get into your personal life.
Speaker 2: It's a weekend watch, a.
Speaker 1: Turn away from the sexiness. But you know, we need
Speaker 1: light and shade on this podcast. What I'm recommending for
Speaker 1: weekend Watch this week is a new eight episode drama
Speaker 1: limited series called Under the Bridge, based on a true
Speaker 1: crime story. I found it very difficult to watch, and
Speaker 1: I'm not usually a big fan of crime TV shows.
Speaker 1: I don't listen to any podcasts like that. But I
Speaker 1: love Lily Gladstone so much it kills the flower Moon
Speaker 1: was like wanting her to win an Oscar. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll just watch anything Lily's in. And it's
Speaker 1: Lily playing opposite Riley Keo who after Daisy Jones and
Speaker 1: the six I'm super on board with her as leading lady.
Speaker 1: So I did it for the I did it for
Speaker 1: my two girls, so I sat through it. So Under
Speaker 1: the Bridge is an adaptation of a book that came
Speaker 1: out in two thousand and five the same name. It's
Speaker 1: a non fiction and it was about the murder of
Speaker 1: a teenage girl in Canada in nineteen ninety seven called
Speaker 1: Reena Vik and it was a huge news story at
Speaker 1: the time. She was a fourteen year old Canadian girl
Speaker 1: who was killed by a group of teenagers in Canada
Speaker 1: and her hometown. These six teenage involved were all tried
Speaker 1: and convicted for their participation her death started this huge
Speaker 1: conversation about bullying in high schools and where it can
Speaker 1: lead and like teenagers being isolated. There were so many
Speaker 1: things around. It's just a horrific story. So this is
Speaker 1: a drama based on that. So Riley Keo plays Rebecca
Speaker 1: and she returns to her small childhood home in Canada
Speaker 1: where something horrific happened to her that's going to come
Speaker 1: out later. She's there to write a novel, and then
Speaker 1: Rena's disappearance happens, and Lily Gladstone plays Cam So she's
Speaker 1: a local police officer, so she's investigating what happened to
Speaker 1: this girl, and then Rebecca, who's there to write a book,
Speaker 1: starts infiltrating this group of teenagers who you know are
Speaker 1: trying to like hide what happened under the bridge, but
Speaker 1: also start telling her, and so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a murder mystery. It's a little bit clunky in subparts,
Speaker 1: and it's super hard to watch. Like I would say,
Speaker 1: there's eight episodes out now if you're like me and
Speaker 1: you kind of need to just take a break, just
Speaker 1: watch one episode at a time. But they're very aware
Speaker 1: as they're telling it about how much it can be
Speaker 1: difficult to take someone's story and make it your own,
Speaker 1: and take someone's murder and how you retell that and
Speaker 1: how much dignity should people have us to death and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, And then it's also just
Speaker 1: a bit of a dark murder mystery drama. So Under
Speaker 1: the Bridge on Disney Plus. The cast is amazing, the
Speaker 1: story is devastating, but I think it's worth watching.
Speaker 2: I also have a Disney Plus recommendation. It's called Queenie
Speaker 2: and it's also a limited series episode episode show. So
Speaker 2: it's a book adaptation of a Carti Williams novel. It
Speaker 2: stars Deon Brown who plays Jamaican British twenty six year
Speaker 2: old Queenie. She has just broken up with a boyfriend
Speaker 2: and she also You're gonna diet this. She's a social
Speaker 2: media assistant at a news publisher. Oh what, which is
Speaker 2: my first job? Among me? Like literally the exact same title,
Speaker 2: And I'd just gone through a breakup when I first started.
Speaker 1: This job should be called epily this show.
Speaker 2: So she's just broken up with a boyfriend and she's
Speaker 2: kind of navigating dating and casual sex for the first time,
Speaker 2: Like if you've ever done casual dating for the first
Speaker 2: time after being in a relationship. It kind of like
Speaker 2: becomes your entire life and you always prioritize it, and
Speaker 2: it kind of shows in real time, like the repercussions
Speaker 2: of her prioritizing dating over her job, over her family.
Speaker 2: Also entering this new life after being in a relationship
Speaker 2: and living with your boyfriend, she's forced to confront some
Speaker 2: unfavorable childhood memories that come to the surface as a
Speaker 2: result of all of that. It is so good and
Speaker 2: so wholesome, and she is so funny, like her family's hilarious,
Speaker 2: her friends are hilarious. It's like one of those shows
Speaker 2: where you're like, I don't know where this is going,
Speaker 2: and then at the end you're like, that was such
Speaker 2: a feel good show. So good.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to watch your autobiography this weekend.
Speaker 1: I think of me the whole.
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Speaker 1: Bye