1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,624 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,144 --> 00:00:24,304 Speaker 2: Just letting you know that this episode discusses sex scene. 5 00:00:24,424 --> 00:00:27,264 Speaker 2: So if you have little years around, maybe save this 6 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:35,264 Speaker 2: for when they're not from MoMA Maa. Welcome to the 7 00:00:35,304 --> 00:00:37,344 Speaker 2: Spill your daily pop culture fix. 8 00:00:37,544 --> 00:00:40,024 Speaker 1: I'm in Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick coming on on 9 00:00:40,104 --> 00:00:43,184 Speaker 1: the show today. It is Friday, so we're very sexy 10 00:00:43,184 --> 00:00:45,464 Speaker 1: show for you. We do have popped off a very 11 00:00:45,504 --> 00:00:48,904 Speaker 1: sexy scene that was released in britgetwn on Netflix last night. 12 00:00:48,984 --> 00:00:51,104 Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about the sex scenes that 13 00:00:51,344 --> 00:00:54,144 Speaker 1: changed TV in movies. It's gonna get raunchy, it's gonna 14 00:00:54,144 --> 00:00:55,904 Speaker 1: get sad, and then we have Weekend Watch. 15 00:00:56,104 --> 00:01:00,144 Speaker 2: But first we have insight into the upcoming Gladiator film. 16 00:01:00,424 --> 00:01:04,024 Speaker 2: And by inside I mean photos of Paul Mescal looking 17 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:05,944 Speaker 2: very good with a cigarette in his mouth. 18 00:01:06,184 --> 00:01:08,584 Speaker 1: That boy ever picture without a cigarette recently because there 19 00:01:08,624 --> 00:01:11,304 Speaker 1: was a nowly Portman cigarette photo. There's the photos of 20 00:01:11,344 --> 00:01:13,544 Speaker 1: him walking through London with a cigarette just like hanging 21 00:01:13,544 --> 00:01:15,984 Speaker 1: out of his mouth. I know smoking is really bad 22 00:01:15,984 --> 00:01:17,784 Speaker 1: for you, which is why you're not allowed to glimse it. 23 00:01:17,824 --> 00:01:19,504 Speaker 2: Profess Marlborough, haven't jumped on there. 24 00:01:20,824 --> 00:01:23,024 Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's smoking has been taken out of 25 00:01:23,024 --> 00:01:24,944 Speaker 1: movies and TV shows, like there's rules around what you 26 00:01:24,984 --> 00:01:27,864 Speaker 1: can show because it was overly glamorizing it and everyone 27 00:01:27,864 --> 00:01:30,224 Speaker 1: wanted to have a sexy cigarette. And this is having 28 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:31,824 Speaker 1: the same effect on you because this morning you were 29 00:01:31,824 --> 00:01:33,424 Speaker 1: look at his photos and m's like, I think I 30 00:01:33,464 --> 00:01:34,584 Speaker 1: want to take up some moking. 31 00:01:34,624 --> 00:01:35,784 Speaker 2: Do you think I want to take up smoking for 32 00:01:35,824 --> 00:01:37,184 Speaker 2: the first time in my life as a twenty eight 33 00:01:37,224 --> 00:01:40,544 Speaker 2: year old woman, which I won't because I have really 34 00:01:40,584 --> 00:01:40,984 Speaker 2: bad ass. 35 00:01:41,064 --> 00:01:44,344 Speaker 1: Mum. You know what's not sexy taking a puff of 36 00:01:44,424 --> 00:01:47,104 Speaker 1: a cigarette and then like convulsing on the floor and coughs, 37 00:01:47,144 --> 00:01:49,624 Speaker 1: because every time I've tried it, that's exactly what happens 38 00:01:49,704 --> 00:01:51,464 Speaker 1: until someone takes it off. Well, there you go. Don't 39 00:01:51,504 --> 00:01:54,144 Speaker 1: smoke kids. It's only sexy when Paul does it, not 40 00:01:54,144 --> 00:01:54,904 Speaker 1: for the rest of us. 41 00:01:55,024 --> 00:01:58,064 Speaker 2: So coming back to Gladiators, the film is a sequel 42 00:01:58,064 --> 00:02:00,264 Speaker 2: to the original Gladiator that came out in the year 43 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:03,784 Speaker 2: two thousand, starring Russell Crowe. In Gladiator to Paul will 44 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:06,744 Speaker 2: be playing the grown up version of Lucis and The 45 00:02:06,784 --> 00:02:10,024 Speaker 2: film also stars Denzel Washington and Pedro Pascal, who I 46 00:02:10,064 --> 00:02:12,504 Speaker 2: feel like I didn't know about. I think they've been 47 00:02:12,624 --> 00:02:14,904 Speaker 2: washed over by the Paul Mascal ness of it all. 48 00:02:14,984 --> 00:02:16,624 Speaker 1: Oh I think we say you didn't know who Pedro 49 00:02:16,704 --> 00:02:20,664 Speaker 1: Pascal was, and I was like, yeah, imagine i'd be 50 00:02:20,784 --> 00:02:23,584 Speaker 1: That would be a fireable offense not knowing. So you're 51 00:02:23,624 --> 00:02:25,704 Speaker 1: a big, poor fan? Is this because which of his 52 00:02:25,824 --> 00:02:27,944 Speaker 1: work to you? I'm leading into something. I'm gonna yell 53 00:02:27,984 --> 00:02:29,824 Speaker 1: at you about which of his past works do you 54 00:02:29,864 --> 00:02:30,424 Speaker 1: most admire? 55 00:02:30,944 --> 00:02:32,624 Speaker 2: Then? Because I haven't seen any. 56 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:35,544 Speaker 1: See, this is the thing, Like we've talked about Paul 57 00:02:35,744 --> 00:02:36,664 Speaker 1: so many times. 58 00:02:36,704 --> 00:02:38,264 Speaker 2: How can I tell me about to give me a lesson? 59 00:02:38,264 --> 00:02:39,824 Speaker 2: You start off with, well, this is the thing. 60 00:02:41,064 --> 00:02:43,344 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to be condescending to you. It's not 61 00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:45,664 Speaker 1: about that. I'm just saying you're a massive fan of 62 00:02:45,664 --> 00:02:48,504 Speaker 1: this man, but only from pictures of him, and like 63 00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:52,024 Speaker 1: he's an okay looking guy, but his true sexyess comes 64 00:02:52,424 --> 00:02:54,664 Speaker 1: from his role in normal people. That's why people are 65 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:56,784 Speaker 1: obsessed with him. If it wasn't for his on screen 66 00:02:56,864 --> 00:02:59,184 Speaker 1: and off screen chemistry with Daisy ed Good Jones and 67 00:02:59,224 --> 00:03:00,784 Speaker 1: normal people and how sexy he was. 68 00:03:00,824 --> 00:03:01,704 Speaker 2: There was a whole. 69 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:04,624 Speaker 1: Instagram and social media accounts dedicated to the necklace he 70 00:03:04,664 --> 00:03:07,024 Speaker 1: wore in that movie because people found it so sexy. 71 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:09,944 Speaker 1: And you skipped over all of that stuff, and your 72 00:03:09,984 --> 00:03:12,384 Speaker 1: only liking him from photos and in photos, he's just 73 00:03:12,424 --> 00:03:15,344 Speaker 1: another white, nondescript man walking around with a cigarette hanging out 74 00:03:15,344 --> 00:03:17,824 Speaker 1: of his mouth. He's only sexy because of normal people. 75 00:03:18,304 --> 00:03:19,464 Speaker 2: Will agree to disagree. 76 00:03:20,264 --> 00:03:21,584 Speaker 1: A couple of even see normal people. 77 00:03:21,664 --> 00:03:23,624 Speaker 2: He doesn't have the beard and normal people which are 78 00:03:23,824 --> 00:03:25,424 Speaker 2: not on board with Okay. 79 00:03:25,184 --> 00:03:27,304 Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like all about conversations about Paul, 80 00:03:27,344 --> 00:03:28,864 Speaker 1: we've had so many. 81 00:03:28,704 --> 00:03:30,984 Speaker 2: So many Well anyway, over the years. The Gladiator Too 82 00:03:31,104 --> 00:03:34,624 Speaker 2: is apparently coming out later this year, and I think hopefully, 83 00:03:34,664 --> 00:03:37,104 Speaker 2: since seeing these photos, a trailer is on the way. 84 00:03:37,264 --> 00:03:38,984 Speaker 2: Stay tuned, I'll give you an update. 85 00:03:47,544 --> 00:03:50,064 Speaker 1: So the second part of British In Season three came 86 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:50,824 Speaker 1: out last night. 87 00:03:51,864 --> 00:03:54,584 Speaker 2: I haven't watched, no spoilers except for this one spoiler 88 00:03:54,584 --> 00:03:54,824 Speaker 2: your back. 89 00:03:54,904 --> 00:03:56,664 Speaker 1: Well, there's going to be a very mild spoiler here, 90 00:03:56,664 --> 00:03:59,104 Speaker 1: but I think most people know that Part one ended 91 00:03:59,304 --> 00:04:02,504 Speaker 1: with Colin and Penelope having a bit of sexy time 92 00:04:02,584 --> 00:04:05,344 Speaker 1: in the carriage and getting engaged. So it should go 93 00:04:05,424 --> 00:04:07,264 Speaker 1: without saying that this next part of their story has 94 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:10,304 Speaker 1: some sexy scenes in it, and there's one particular sex scene, 95 00:04:10,464 --> 00:04:13,024 Speaker 1: not getting in any spoilery details, but the way it 96 00:04:13,104 --> 00:04:16,464 Speaker 1: was shot I found really refreshing and just as realistic 97 00:04:16,464 --> 00:04:18,584 Speaker 1: as a TV sex scene can be in a way, 98 00:04:18,944 --> 00:04:21,664 Speaker 1: especially when it's in a show that's known for like 99 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:25,624 Speaker 1: this regency fantasy series, and like a lot of the time, 100 00:04:25,704 --> 00:04:28,424 Speaker 1: the sex scenes are very much like a beautiful kiss 101 00:04:28,424 --> 00:04:30,664 Speaker 1: and they fall into the bed and everyone's orgasming just 102 00:04:30,664 --> 00:04:31,944 Speaker 1: by touching and you know what I mean. 103 00:04:32,344 --> 00:04:35,304 Speaker 2: Erl panned to a vase on the table, Yeah, exactly. 104 00:04:35,384 --> 00:04:38,344 Speaker 1: It's all very whimsical, which I think whimsicalness has a place. 105 00:04:38,424 --> 00:04:40,104 Speaker 1: You can't be watching a realistic sex scene in. 106 00:04:40,104 --> 00:04:43,224 Speaker 2: Every movie, watching it with your parents. Yeah, I'm grateful 107 00:04:43,304 --> 00:04:43,904 Speaker 2: for the whimsical. 108 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:45,944 Speaker 1: But this I thought was done in a very sweet 109 00:04:45,944 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 1: way because it's Penelope's first time having sex, and obviously 110 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:51,664 Speaker 1: the character of Colin is a lot more experienced and 111 00:04:52,344 --> 00:04:55,224 Speaker 1: very very experience, and they talk about that in the 112 00:04:55,264 --> 00:04:58,784 Speaker 1: sex scene, which I thought was interesting. Obviously is set 113 00:04:59,104 --> 00:05:01,784 Speaker 1: hundreds of years ago, but it felt like a conversation 114 00:05:01,904 --> 00:05:04,624 Speaker 1: you'd almost be having now in modern times about like 115 00:05:04,704 --> 00:05:06,504 Speaker 1: there's a lot of consent in it, of him saying 116 00:05:06,504 --> 00:05:09,024 Speaker 1: like I'm about to do this. Is this okay? Is 117 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:11,304 Speaker 1: this okay? They both ask each other like is it 118 00:05:11,304 --> 00:05:12,904 Speaker 1: okay if I touchy there? Is it okay if I 119 00:05:12,944 --> 00:05:15,464 Speaker 1: touchy here? And it doesn't take away from any of 120 00:05:15,464 --> 00:05:17,664 Speaker 1: the sexiness of the scene, which I feel like is 121 00:05:17,704 --> 00:05:20,544 Speaker 1: a big criticism A lot of the time when there's 122 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:23,464 Speaker 1: sex scenes without that sort of consent taught people like, oh, 123 00:05:23,504 --> 00:05:26,304 Speaker 1: but that's so boring and it'll take away from the romance. 124 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:28,504 Speaker 1: But in this case, I thought it really added to it. 125 00:05:29,064 --> 00:05:30,904 Speaker 1: You can kind of explained to her what's going to happen. 126 00:05:32,664 --> 00:05:36,944 Speaker 2: I cannot help that I promised me should only be 127 00:05:37,064 --> 00:05:37,664 Speaker 2: this first time. 128 00:05:38,184 --> 00:05:40,744 Speaker 1: Just felt like exactly like two people having their first 129 00:05:40,784 --> 00:05:43,424 Speaker 1: time together and her having like a bit of pain 130 00:05:43,464 --> 00:05:47,104 Speaker 1: and discomfort when they first start having sex. And you know, 131 00:05:47,144 --> 00:05:49,144 Speaker 1: it's still very kind of wrapped up in a bit 132 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:51,424 Speaker 1: of lush romance. 133 00:05:51,064 --> 00:05:52,024 Speaker 2: But it's realistic. 134 00:05:52,464 --> 00:05:54,224 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as I was watching it, it got me 135 00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:57,704 Speaker 1: thinking about how much sex scenes have changed on TV 136 00:05:57,944 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 1: and in movies over the last couple of years. I feel, 137 00:06:00,864 --> 00:06:03,064 Speaker 1: particularly in the last like five years or so, there's 138 00:06:03,104 --> 00:06:05,624 Speaker 1: been a big change, But really it's been the last 139 00:06:05,664 --> 00:06:08,584 Speaker 1: decade where the way they're filmed, what they're allowed to show, 140 00:06:08,704 --> 00:06:11,024 Speaker 1: the conversations around them have changed. So we wanted to 141 00:06:11,024 --> 00:06:13,464 Speaker 1: talk through a few of our little favorite pop culture 142 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:14,984 Speaker 1: altering sex scene moments. 143 00:06:15,144 --> 00:06:18,064 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have one that is probably the 144 00:06:18,104 --> 00:06:21,504 Speaker 2: first sex scene I've watched as a teenage girl that 145 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:25,144 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is exactly how 146 00:06:25,224 --> 00:06:27,544 Speaker 2: I felt when I had sex for the first time. 147 00:06:27,664 --> 00:06:31,984 Speaker 2: It was in the film The Spectacular Now I've seen it, Yes, yes, 148 00:06:32,064 --> 00:06:35,304 Speaker 2: it stars Miles Teller and Shalne Woodley, and it's kind 149 00:06:35,304 --> 00:06:39,584 Speaker 2: of like a coming of age, first relationship, teenage drama, 150 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:43,584 Speaker 2: I want to say so. Shalleene plays Amy, who has 151 00:06:43,624 --> 00:06:46,144 Speaker 2: her first boyfriend, which is Mars Teller, great boyfriend to have, 152 00:06:46,824 --> 00:06:51,104 Speaker 2: and their sex scene was just so real and raw, 153 00:06:51,264 --> 00:06:53,704 Speaker 2: like there wasn't any music. It was in I think 154 00:06:53,744 --> 00:06:56,944 Speaker 2: her parents' house, in her bedroom in the middle of 155 00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:59,384 Speaker 2: the day, which is I feel like how most teenagers 156 00:06:59,384 --> 00:07:01,664 Speaker 2: have sex for the first time and they're just like 157 00:07:01,704 --> 00:07:05,184 Speaker 2: giggling and then they're like clumsily like taking their clothes off, 158 00:07:05,744 --> 00:07:09,264 Speaker 2: and he's like asking if like she's okay, and you 159 00:07:09,304 --> 00:07:11,464 Speaker 2: can tell like she's a bit of pain or like 160 00:07:11,704 --> 00:07:14,064 Speaker 2: discomfort at first, and then she gets really into it, 161 00:07:14,224 --> 00:07:16,944 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad they didn't show her like climaxing, 162 00:07:16,944 --> 00:07:18,984 Speaker 2: which I feel like they've always showed when I was 163 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:21,464 Speaker 2: younger in those kind of movies. And then they just 164 00:07:21,504 --> 00:07:22,984 Speaker 2: have it once and then they like wake up in 165 00:07:23,024 --> 00:07:24,544 Speaker 2: the middle of the nine and they just like start talking, 166 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:26,824 Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is what it's all about. Yeah, exactly. 167 00:07:26,944 --> 00:07:30,104 Speaker 1: I do like sometimes when you see these very over dramatized, 168 00:07:30,544 --> 00:07:32,784 Speaker 1: very fancy like sex scenes, because that's kind of what 169 00:07:32,784 --> 00:07:34,664 Speaker 1: we look for movies too. We look to them for 170 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:36,984 Speaker 1: these very elevated moments. But I think if that's all 171 00:07:37,064 --> 00:07:39,384 Speaker 1: you're seeing, it can make it a bit difficult. Like 172 00:07:39,424 --> 00:07:41,944 Speaker 1: for some reason, so many movies I watched, I guess 173 00:07:41,944 --> 00:07:44,064 Speaker 1: it was like the early two thousands and nineties when 174 00:07:44,104 --> 00:07:45,784 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and so they were like no 175 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:47,864 Speaker 1: Wars and no one was watching Bluey or watching like 176 00:07:47,864 --> 00:07:50,384 Speaker 1: pretty Women, dirty Dancing, all that sort of stuff. So 177 00:07:50,424 --> 00:07:52,104 Speaker 1: many sex scenes there, and you know, even all like 178 00:07:52,184 --> 00:07:54,624 Speaker 1: rom comsad sex scenes and stuff, and you would always 179 00:07:54,704 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 1: just see this like very passionate kissing and they'd fall 180 00:07:56,824 --> 00:07:58,464 Speaker 1: into bed and they'd be under the covers, and like 181 00:07:58,464 --> 00:07:59,664 Speaker 1: I didn't know what they were doing under there, but 182 00:07:59,664 --> 00:08:01,264 Speaker 1: I thought you just kind of rolled around, and that's 183 00:08:01,744 --> 00:08:04,104 Speaker 1: that was kind of sex. And like you also see 184 00:08:04,384 --> 00:08:08,064 Speaker 1: women like orgasman really intently, just from like the moment 185 00:08:08,104 --> 00:08:10,704 Speaker 1: a man touches them on the bed. You know, That's 186 00:08:10,704 --> 00:08:12,744 Speaker 1: why people had so much criticism around like the idea 187 00:08:12,744 --> 00:08:15,864 Speaker 1: of you. The criticism came from you in particular about 188 00:08:15,864 --> 00:08:18,744 Speaker 1: women orgasming like so quickly and making that seem like 189 00:08:18,744 --> 00:08:20,264 Speaker 1: a thing. But at least in the idea of you, 190 00:08:20,664 --> 00:08:23,424 Speaker 1: it was through like not just penetration. But still I 191 00:08:23,464 --> 00:08:24,944 Speaker 1: know that kind of fantasy element. 192 00:08:25,024 --> 00:08:27,584 Speaker 2: And I also feel like with these like films like 193 00:08:27,624 --> 00:08:31,464 Speaker 2: The Spectacular now it is for a younger audience, so 194 00:08:31,704 --> 00:08:34,344 Speaker 2: they have that responsibility to be realistic because I do 195 00:08:34,384 --> 00:08:37,344 Speaker 2: remember either when I was young, I'd either watch like 196 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:39,424 Speaker 2: the films that you were describing, like really whimsical, but 197 00:08:39,464 --> 00:08:42,144 Speaker 2: also the complete opposite where it felt really scary. Like 198 00:08:42,184 --> 00:08:45,184 Speaker 2: I remember Degrassy the Next Generation, and it made me 199 00:08:45,264 --> 00:08:47,744 Speaker 2: so scared of sex. There's always these like horror scenes 200 00:08:47,784 --> 00:08:51,104 Speaker 2: of girls suddenly getting pregnant or like girls in really 201 00:08:51,104 --> 00:08:54,664 Speaker 2: like unfortunate positions, and it was just like I never 202 00:08:54,704 --> 00:08:55,624 Speaker 2: got the in between. 203 00:08:56,064 --> 00:08:58,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Oh, the in between is such a hard 204 00:08:58,104 --> 00:08:59,984 Speaker 1: thing to find exactly what you're saying is so important 205 00:09:00,024 --> 00:09:02,184 Speaker 1: of and maybe it's almost why maybe now you're saying 206 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:03,864 Speaker 1: that it's putting words around why. I kind of liked 207 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:07,664 Speaker 1: Bridgington because it was that in between a little bit. 208 00:09:07,944 --> 00:09:10,184 Speaker 1: This is gonna be uncomfortable and weird and it's gonna hurt, 209 00:09:10,184 --> 00:09:12,424 Speaker 1: but also it's a little bit sexy and nice like 210 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:14,664 Speaker 1: that in between Exactly it is so nice. Well, I 211 00:09:14,664 --> 00:09:17,784 Speaker 1: mean we're just getting started here, coming up next scene 212 00:09:17,864 --> 00:09:31,784 Speaker 1: talk more sex. So really to think about my first example, 213 00:09:31,824 --> 00:09:33,504 Speaker 1: because there's so many sex scenes that you know, in 214 00:09:33,544 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 1: TV and movies and TV shows that I think have 215 00:09:36,184 --> 00:09:38,584 Speaker 1: really changed the bar. But one I kept coming back 216 00:09:38,584 --> 00:09:40,304 Speaker 1: to because it was the first time I was aware 217 00:09:40,344 --> 00:09:43,384 Speaker 1: of this kind of conversation is Blue Valentine, which came 218 00:09:43,424 --> 00:09:46,424 Speaker 1: out way back in two thousand and scene Valentine, Oh 219 00:09:46,464 --> 00:09:48,824 Speaker 1: you should watch. I mean, it'll destroy your soul, but 220 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:52,944 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful movie, that old chestnut. So it's ryan 221 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:56,384 Speaker 1: Gosling and Michelle Williams together and it's about their relationship 222 00:09:56,464 --> 00:09:58,104 Speaker 1: from like there's moments where they're really in love the 223 00:09:58,184 --> 00:10:00,904 Speaker 1: moments where theyre having this this terrible breakup. But why 224 00:10:00,984 --> 00:10:04,144 Speaker 1: that movie made headlines so much at the time despite 225 00:10:04,184 --> 00:10:06,104 Speaker 1: the fact it was a bit of a sexy drama 226 00:10:06,104 --> 00:10:09,024 Speaker 1: between Ryan Gosling Michelle Williams who everyone loves, is that 227 00:10:09,064 --> 00:10:13,104 Speaker 1: there's a scene where Ryan Goslin's character Dean is performing 228 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:16,664 Speaker 1: oral sex on Michelle Williams's character Cindy. I never now 229 00:10:16,664 --> 00:10:18,664 Speaker 1: that they're performing oral sex. That's like the way they say. 230 00:10:18,544 --> 00:10:18,944 Speaker 2: In the movies. 231 00:10:18,984 --> 00:10:20,184 Speaker 1: I never not the word I way to say it. 232 00:10:20,744 --> 00:10:22,264 Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking. He's going down on her, 233 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:24,384 Speaker 1: He's going down on her. I'm saying that's the movie 234 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:28,064 Speaker 1: term they use performing oral sex. And because they shot 235 00:10:28,104 --> 00:10:30,904 Speaker 1: this scene of his character, like there's a whole thing 236 00:10:30,944 --> 00:10:33,024 Speaker 1: of him moving her underwear and like between her legs, 237 00:10:33,024 --> 00:10:35,624 Speaker 1: and you can see the whole thing happening taking place, 238 00:10:35,664 --> 00:10:37,824 Speaker 1: like they'd never moved the camera away. But it's also 239 00:10:37,944 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 1: very centered on like her emotion and her pleasure and 240 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:42,584 Speaker 1: her reaction all that sort of stuff. And because of 241 00:10:42,624 --> 00:10:44,504 Speaker 1: that one oral sex scene. Because it was on a 242 00:10:44,504 --> 00:10:46,664 Speaker 1: woman and not on a man, it was deemed to 243 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:51,144 Speaker 1: be more inappropriate, more scandalous, like something that people couldn't see. 244 00:10:51,144 --> 00:10:54,384 Speaker 1: And so the movie initially got an NC seventeen rating, 245 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:57,424 Speaker 1: which is just crazy because it just cuts out who 246 00:10:57,424 --> 00:10:59,624 Speaker 1: can watch it, which cinema is it can be a distribution. 247 00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:03,344 Speaker 1: It really threatened to like overturn this movie, and the 248 00:11:03,464 --> 00:11:05,984 Speaker 1: production team and the actors all fought back against this 249 00:11:06,184 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 1: rating because it was going to have such a negative 250 00:11:08,504 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 1: effect on the movie. But also it was setting this 251 00:11:10,744 --> 00:11:13,984 Speaker 1: that oral sex from a woman's perspective would always get 252 00:11:13,984 --> 00:11:16,104 Speaker 1: you a higher rating than on a man, which is 253 00:11:16,144 --> 00:11:20,384 Speaker 1: just crazy. So longs and not to make this about 254 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:22,584 Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling, because I think sometimes men just get so 255 00:11:22,704 --> 00:11:25,664 Speaker 1: much praise for doing so little, but in his case, 256 00:11:25,704 --> 00:11:27,504 Speaker 1: he did come in well. I think they pushed back again, 257 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:30,744 Speaker 1: said they eventually got given an R rating, and they 258 00:11:30,744 --> 00:11:32,584 Speaker 1: were saying, like all these other movies had come out 259 00:11:32,584 --> 00:11:34,544 Speaker 1: with all these sex scenes of like either women on 260 00:11:34,624 --> 00:11:37,344 Speaker 1: women like Black Swan would get you a lower rating, 261 00:11:37,464 --> 00:11:39,744 Speaker 1: or if it's oral sex being performed on a man, 262 00:11:39,784 --> 00:11:42,304 Speaker 1: the rating would be lower. Ryan Gosling came out and 263 00:11:42,424 --> 00:11:44,064 Speaker 1: was like giving all these interviews about it because he 264 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,464 Speaker 1: was trying to get it overturned, and he was saying, like, 265 00:11:46,504 --> 00:11:48,504 Speaker 1: it's so crazy. He's like, I've been in so many movies, 266 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:50,264 Speaker 1: or I've seen so many movies where the oral sex 267 00:11:50,264 --> 00:11:52,904 Speaker 1: scene is on a man, and I can't believe that 268 00:11:52,944 --> 00:11:56,464 Speaker 1: because ours is reversed, it's been classified as pawn basically, 269 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:59,344 Speaker 1: whereas if it was a man would be art house cinema. 270 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:01,784 Speaker 1: So I remember watching that movie and having such a 271 00:12:01,864 --> 00:12:03,664 Speaker 1: kind of a moment watching it, and now I look 272 00:12:03,704 --> 00:12:05,744 Speaker 1: back and I'm like, oh, it's because I've never seen 273 00:12:05,744 --> 00:12:08,304 Speaker 1: that on screen before, and I feel like it just 274 00:12:08,424 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 1: was such a game changer. 275 00:12:09,904 --> 00:12:12,264 Speaker 2: I have a bit of a funny one. 276 00:12:12,344 --> 00:12:14,504 Speaker 1: Okay, No, we love funny sex. Thing should be funny 277 00:12:14,504 --> 00:12:16,184 Speaker 1: as well. It should be funny, It should be all things. 278 00:12:16,544 --> 00:12:20,464 Speaker 2: It is a TV show called Chewing Gum Love. It 279 00:12:20,504 --> 00:12:23,544 Speaker 2: stars Mikayla Cole who plays Tracy, who's a twenty four 280 00:12:23,624 --> 00:12:26,424 Speaker 2: year old and the entire TV show you've seen it right. 281 00:12:27,344 --> 00:12:32,264 Speaker 2: TV show is about Tracy like wanting to lose her virginity, 282 00:12:32,504 --> 00:12:34,504 Speaker 2: Like she wants to have sex so badly, and she 283 00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:38,264 Speaker 2: wants to enter womanhood as she calls it, and like 284 00:12:38,304 --> 00:12:40,624 Speaker 2: the build up of sex throughout the whole series is 285 00:12:40,664 --> 00:12:42,704 Speaker 2: you think it's gonna be like this massive thing that's 286 00:12:42,744 --> 00:12:45,424 Speaker 2: about to happen, and then she just kind of does it. Yeah, 287 00:12:45,464 --> 00:12:47,704 Speaker 2: and it's really quick, and she like sings a song. 288 00:12:47,744 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 2: I prepared a song, lassing it and during my dom, 289 00:12:52,224 --> 00:12:56,104 Speaker 2: what will he find? It's the world of Adventure. It's 290 00:12:56,104 --> 00:13:00,424 Speaker 2: the world of adventure. We are I smart, and then 291 00:13:00,464 --> 00:13:04,304 Speaker 2: she cries. I think obviously the actual act of having 292 00:13:04,344 --> 00:13:06,704 Speaker 2: sex is not that realistic for most people who have 293 00:13:06,704 --> 00:13:08,584 Speaker 2: sex for the first time, Like I'm sure not a 294 00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:12,544 Speaker 2: lot of people break out into song I but I 295 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:15,984 Speaker 2: think what is realistic is like when you're a young woman, 296 00:13:16,024 --> 00:13:18,304 Speaker 2: you build it up so much and then it kind 297 00:13:18,304 --> 00:13:20,984 Speaker 2: of just happens. And in the movies, I think they 298 00:13:21,024 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 2: build it up and then it becomes this big thing, 299 00:13:23,184 --> 00:13:25,424 Speaker 2: but chewing gum, they just made it happen like real 300 00:13:25,464 --> 00:13:27,024 Speaker 2: and I was like, this is kind of cool, this 301 00:13:27,064 --> 00:13:27,704 Speaker 2: is kind of cool. 302 00:13:27,784 --> 00:13:30,064 Speaker 1: Oh. My next example is kind of similar because it 303 00:13:30,104 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 1: was the whole thing of just like it's a simple moment, 304 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:34,344 Speaker 1: but it becomes grain breaking because of how simple it is. 305 00:13:34,824 --> 00:13:37,744 Speaker 1: And so I know, saying sex education. This conversation is 306 00:13:37,744 --> 00:13:39,544 Speaker 1: a bit like, of course, like the whole point of 307 00:13:39,544 --> 00:13:41,464 Speaker 1: that TV show was to change how we see sex 308 00:13:41,464 --> 00:13:43,384 Speaker 1: scenes on TV, and they did, and they did. I 309 00:13:43,424 --> 00:13:45,544 Speaker 1: just think that there's so many moments to call out. 310 00:13:45,544 --> 00:13:47,104 Speaker 1: But as I was kind of going through and being like, 311 00:13:47,144 --> 00:13:49,984 Speaker 1: which moment from the show really changed the game for 312 00:13:50,064 --> 00:13:52,464 Speaker 1: sex scenes on TV? And I think it was the 313 00:13:52,504 --> 00:13:55,464 Speaker 1: scene where you have George Robinson who played the character Isaac, 314 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:58,344 Speaker 1: and Emma McKay who played Maye, where he's in a 315 00:13:58,384 --> 00:14:01,304 Speaker 1: wheelchair and he's a quadriplegic in real life, and they 316 00:14:01,384 --> 00:14:04,344 Speaker 1: have that scene where it's interesting because it's wrapped up 317 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:06,584 Speaker 1: in like talks around like consent and like where we 318 00:14:06,624 --> 00:14:08,464 Speaker 1: can touch each other and where we can sit, and 319 00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:11,224 Speaker 1: also her asking him like, well, what can you actually 320 00:14:11,304 --> 00:14:13,624 Speaker 1: do because of this disability? And then you have this 321 00:14:14,224 --> 00:14:17,704 Speaker 1: really sexy scene that plays outs so hot in the 322 00:14:17,744 --> 00:14:19,544 Speaker 1: way they did it with like cursing in his lap 323 00:14:19,624 --> 00:14:21,664 Speaker 1: on the wheelchair and how it was mapped out. And 324 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:24,144 Speaker 1: I thought why that was so interesting is that usually 325 00:14:24,464 --> 00:14:26,464 Speaker 1: any character with a disability, well, first of all, they 326 00:14:26,464 --> 00:14:28,904 Speaker 1: don't really exist in TV and film, and like there's 327 00:14:28,944 --> 00:14:32,064 Speaker 1: all these starts around like only three percent of fictional 328 00:14:32,144 --> 00:14:35,104 Speaker 1: characters and scripted TV shows over the years have a disability, 329 00:14:35,264 --> 00:14:37,904 Speaker 1: but they're usually in the background. They're like the tragic character, 330 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:40,544 Speaker 1: they're the side character. Al they're there to like give 331 00:14:40,584 --> 00:14:42,664 Speaker 1: a bit of a moral compass the character like they 332 00:14:42,744 --> 00:14:45,624 Speaker 1: never have, Yeah, they never have their own kind of 333 00:14:45,704 --> 00:14:47,704 Speaker 1: love stories and sex scene. So kind of just seeing 334 00:14:47,704 --> 00:14:49,624 Speaker 1: this sex scene play out and having it be like 335 00:14:50,144 --> 00:14:51,344 Speaker 1: so hot and so. 336 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:52,864 Speaker 2: You know, the two main characters. 337 00:14:52,864 --> 00:14:55,624 Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly, I just thought that was groundbreaking. He 338 00:14:55,744 --> 00:14:57,904 Speaker 1: wasn't this moral compass where he was there like teach 339 00:14:57,944 --> 00:14:59,664 Speaker 1: may of a lesson and make her better, Like he's 340 00:14:59,744 --> 00:15:02,904 Speaker 1: jealous and he deletes, yeah, and all that sort of stuff. 341 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:05,064 Speaker 1: But every time I just was rewatching that clip before 342 00:15:05,064 --> 00:15:06,384 Speaker 1: and I was like, God, this is hot, and this 343 00:15:06,504 --> 00:15:08,384 Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of thing we need to see 344 00:15:08,424 --> 00:15:08,744 Speaker 1: on TV. 345 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:12,064 Speaker 2: More So, I definitely know what I'm doing tonight, and 346 00:15:12,104 --> 00:15:13,704 Speaker 2: it's not what you're thinking. It's watching bridgeton. 347 00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:16,304 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get into your personal life. 348 00:15:20,784 --> 00:15:24,544 Speaker 2: It's a weekend watch, a. 349 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:26,864 Speaker 1: Turn away from the sexiness. But you know, we need 350 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:29,464 Speaker 1: light and shade on this podcast. What I'm recommending for 351 00:15:29,504 --> 00:15:32,784 Speaker 1: weekend Watch this week is a new eight episode drama 352 00:15:32,944 --> 00:15:36,144 Speaker 1: limited series called Under the Bridge, based on a true 353 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,504 Speaker 1: crime story. I found it very difficult to watch, and 354 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:41,624 Speaker 1: I'm not usually a big fan of crime TV shows. 355 00:15:41,624 --> 00:15:43,424 Speaker 1: I don't listen to any podcasts like that. But I 356 00:15:43,424 --> 00:15:46,464 Speaker 1: love Lily Gladstone so much it kills the flower Moon 357 00:15:46,624 --> 00:15:48,344 Speaker 1: was like wanting her to win an Oscar. So I 358 00:15:48,384 --> 00:15:50,824 Speaker 1: was like, I'll just watch anything Lily's in. And it's 359 00:15:50,864 --> 00:15:54,264 Speaker 1: Lily playing opposite Riley Keo who after Daisy Jones and 360 00:15:54,304 --> 00:15:56,584 Speaker 1: the six I'm super on board with her as leading lady. 361 00:15:56,704 --> 00:15:58,064 Speaker 1: So I did it for the I did it for 362 00:15:58,104 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 1: my two girls, so I sat through it. So Under 363 00:16:01,344 --> 00:16:03,984 Speaker 1: the Bridge is an adaptation of a book that came 364 00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:05,744 Speaker 1: out in two thousand and five the same name. It's 365 00:16:05,744 --> 00:16:08,624 Speaker 1: a non fiction and it was about the murder of 366 00:16:08,744 --> 00:16:12,024 Speaker 1: a teenage girl in Canada in nineteen ninety seven called 367 00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:15,064 Speaker 1: Reena Vik and it was a huge news story at 368 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:17,344 Speaker 1: the time. She was a fourteen year old Canadian girl 369 00:16:17,424 --> 00:16:20,664 Speaker 1: who was killed by a group of teenagers in Canada 370 00:16:20,704 --> 00:16:23,784 Speaker 1: and her hometown. These six teenage involved were all tried 371 00:16:24,104 --> 00:16:27,384 Speaker 1: and convicted for their participation her death started this huge 372 00:16:27,384 --> 00:16:29,984 Speaker 1: conversation about bullying in high schools and where it can 373 00:16:30,064 --> 00:16:32,664 Speaker 1: lead and like teenagers being isolated. There were so many 374 00:16:32,664 --> 00:16:35,424 Speaker 1: things around. It's just a horrific story. So this is 375 00:16:35,544 --> 00:16:39,504 Speaker 1: a drama based on that. So Riley Keo plays Rebecca 376 00:16:39,584 --> 00:16:42,304 Speaker 1: and she returns to her small childhood home in Canada 377 00:16:42,304 --> 00:16:44,224 Speaker 1: where something horrific happened to her that's going to come 378 00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:46,704 Speaker 1: out later. She's there to write a novel, and then 379 00:16:46,984 --> 00:16:50,984 Speaker 1: Rena's disappearance happens, and Lily Gladstone plays Cam So she's 380 00:16:51,024 --> 00:16:54,144 Speaker 1: a local police officer, so she's investigating what happened to 381 00:16:54,144 --> 00:16:56,984 Speaker 1: this girl, and then Rebecca, who's there to write a book, 382 00:16:57,024 --> 00:17:00,664 Speaker 1: starts infiltrating this group of teenagers who you know are 383 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:03,824 Speaker 1: trying to like hide what happened under the bridge, but 384 00:17:03,944 --> 00:17:06,144 Speaker 1: also start telling her, and so it's kind of like 385 00:17:06,184 --> 00:17:09,024 Speaker 1: a murder mystery. It's a little bit clunky in subparts, 386 00:17:09,024 --> 00:17:10,984 Speaker 1: and it's super hard to watch. Like I would say, 387 00:17:10,984 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 1: there's eight episodes out now if you're like me and 388 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:16,584 Speaker 1: you kind of need to just take a break, just 389 00:17:16,624 --> 00:17:19,664 Speaker 1: watch one episode at a time. But they're very aware 390 00:17:19,784 --> 00:17:22,584 Speaker 1: as they're telling it about how much it can be 391 00:17:22,784 --> 00:17:25,584 Speaker 1: difficult to take someone's story and make it your own, 392 00:17:25,784 --> 00:17:28,424 Speaker 1: and take someone's murder and how you retell that and 393 00:17:28,504 --> 00:17:30,464 Speaker 1: how much dignity should people have us to death and 394 00:17:30,504 --> 00:17:32,464 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, And then it's also just 395 00:17:32,504 --> 00:17:35,704 Speaker 1: a bit of a dark murder mystery drama. So Under 396 00:17:35,704 --> 00:17:38,664 Speaker 1: the Bridge on Disney Plus. The cast is amazing, the 397 00:17:38,744 --> 00:17:41,544 Speaker 1: story is devastating, but I think it's worth watching. 398 00:17:42,024 --> 00:17:47,024 Speaker 2: I also have a Disney Plus recommendation. It's called Queenie 399 00:17:47,104 --> 00:17:51,704 Speaker 2: and it's also a limited series episode episode show. So 400 00:17:51,944 --> 00:17:55,584 Speaker 2: it's a book adaptation of a Carti Williams novel. It 401 00:17:55,704 --> 00:17:58,944 Speaker 2: stars Deon Brown who plays Jamaican British twenty six year 402 00:17:58,944 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 2: old Queenie. She has just broken up with a boyfriend 403 00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:04,904 Speaker 2: and she also You're gonna diet this. She's a social 404 00:18:04,984 --> 00:18:07,864 Speaker 2: media assistant at a news publisher. Oh what, which is 405 00:18:07,984 --> 00:18:12,144 Speaker 2: my first job? Among me? Like literally the exact same title, 406 00:18:12,304 --> 00:18:14,264 Speaker 2: And I'd just gone through a breakup when I first started. 407 00:18:14,264 --> 00:18:15,944 Speaker 1: This job should be called epily this show. 408 00:18:16,104 --> 00:18:18,144 Speaker 2: So she's just broken up with a boyfriend and she's 409 00:18:18,224 --> 00:18:21,744 Speaker 2: kind of navigating dating and casual sex for the first time, 410 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:24,824 Speaker 2: Like if you've ever done casual dating for the first 411 00:18:24,824 --> 00:18:27,624 Speaker 2: time after being in a relationship. It kind of like 412 00:18:27,944 --> 00:18:31,464 Speaker 2: becomes your entire life and you always prioritize it, and 413 00:18:31,504 --> 00:18:34,464 Speaker 2: it kind of shows in real time, like the repercussions 414 00:18:34,464 --> 00:18:37,904 Speaker 2: of her prioritizing dating over her job, over her family. 415 00:18:38,384 --> 00:18:41,144 Speaker 2: Also entering this new life after being in a relationship 416 00:18:41,184 --> 00:18:44,224 Speaker 2: and living with your boyfriend, she's forced to confront some 417 00:18:44,544 --> 00:18:47,744 Speaker 2: unfavorable childhood memories that come to the surface as a 418 00:18:47,784 --> 00:18:50,184 Speaker 2: result of all of that. It is so good and 419 00:18:50,224 --> 00:18:55,704 Speaker 2: so wholesome, and she is so funny, like her family's hilarious, 420 00:18:55,704 --> 00:18:58,264 Speaker 2: her friends are hilarious. It's like one of those shows 421 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:00,384 Speaker 2: where you're like, I don't know where this is going, 422 00:19:00,464 --> 00:19:02,184 Speaker 2: and then at the end you're like, that was such 423 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:03,544 Speaker 2: a feel good show. So good. 424 00:19:03,584 --> 00:19:05,904 Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to watch your autobiography this weekend. 425 00:19:06,584 --> 00:19:07,624 Speaker 1: I think of me the whole. 426 00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:10,864 Speaker 2: Time we're shows. We'll take the same time. Thank you 427 00:19:10,904 --> 00:19:12,784 Speaker 2: so much for listening to The Spill today. If you 428 00:19:12,864 --> 00:19:14,504 Speaker 2: love listening to us, we would love it if you 429 00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:17,264 Speaker 2: could please give us a five star rating review five 430 00:19:17,304 --> 00:19:19,864 Speaker 2: stars only, please, five stars only. 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