Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what
Speaker 2: women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the eleventh February.
Speaker 2: I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Amelia Leicester, and I'm Jesse Stevens
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to the return of Amelia
Speaker 2: Lester in a second. Everybody, because the out loudest they
Speaker 2: are quick to panic.
Speaker 3: They are they.
Speaker 2: Someone in the out louders And they just wrote, Okay,
Speaker 2: where's Amelia? And the vibe of that particular comment to
Speaker 2: me was have you locked her?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Is she just too clever and you've decided that she's
Speaker 2: not allowed?
Speaker 1: Amelia was away. We'll get Twitter. But here's what else
Speaker 1: is on our agenda for today.
Speaker 2: I have got a very important scoreless gossip update that
Speaker 2: takes in everything from a cheating skier to Jen and
Speaker 2: Ben point twenty five and.
Speaker 1: To a post Super Bowl super breakup.
Speaker 4: Plus there is a true crime story which we can't
Speaker 4: look away from.
Speaker 3: And peniscape, plus Lindsay Vaughn, the woman who has divided
Speaker 3: sports spectators all over the world.
Speaker 2: But first, Amelia's been in America and we would like
Speaker 2: a quick vibe check from that nation.
Speaker 5: Yes, like Hailey Bieber.
Speaker 4: I just returned to Australia from America today. I was
Speaker 4: in ceat eighty one A on a Quantus flight from
Speaker 4: Dallas to Sydney, and I think she was in C
Speaker 4: eighty two B.
Speaker 3: Just behind you, just behind Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been in first class or she.
Speaker 1: Would have been flying.
Speaker 3: Do you think I think maybe? Isn't she a billionaire?
Speaker 2: She literally just landed one of her fancy glazing milks
Speaker 2: if she was going to go on her anyway, what's
Speaker 2: America like at the moment?
Speaker 4: It was interesting there was kind of two Americas that
Speaker 4: I saw because at first I was in Washington, DC,
Speaker 4: which is where I used to live, which is where
Speaker 4: I used to live, and Mia texted me while I
Speaker 4: was there, and she said, give me three words to
Speaker 4: describe it. And I thought about it and I wrote back, snow, despair, grit,
Speaker 4: A lot of snow, like a lot of snow, Like
Speaker 4: we're talking like walls of snow, which people in DC
Speaker 4: are not very used to. So for a start, everyone's
Speaker 4: feeling a little bit cold and a little bit miserable.
Speaker 4: And then a lot of people in DC are feeling
Speaker 4: despair because a lot of people in the nation's capital
Speaker 4: have lost their jobs thanks to Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: And people are quite worried about the demolition of the
Speaker 4: White House East Wing and the upcoming demolition of potential
Speaker 4: demolition of the Kennedy Center, which is this beautiful building
Speaker 4: which is in recognition of John F.
Speaker 5: Kennedy.
Speaker 3: But are they running out to see milaniy other film?
Speaker 4: Oh look, the snow was the only thing stopping. But
Speaker 4: then I added grit because I felt like a lot
Speaker 4: of the Americans that I was talking to in Washington
Speaker 4: who are kind of like either in government or adjacent
Speaker 4: to government.
Speaker 5: A lot of them are journalists.
Speaker 4: There's a sense that, yeah, we're going through this very
Speaker 4: tumul to us time right now, but also life has
Speaker 4: to go on, and people are trying to think about
Speaker 4: the future and what sort of lessons might be learned
Speaker 4: from this period of American history. And there is this
Speaker 4: sense of resolve amongst a lot of the Americans that
Speaker 4: I spoke to there. And then the second part of
Speaker 4: my trip was a girl's trip. I went to the
Speaker 4: Smoky Mountains in Tennessee, and they are famous for being
Speaker 4: the birthplace of Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3: Did you stay in a cabin in the woods?
Speaker 5: I did. I did see a cabin in the woods
Speaker 5: and I went horse riding.
Speaker 3: Did you see a bear?
Speaker 5: The bears a hibernating jesse.
Speaker 4: I learned this myself, I asked, and they just looked
Speaker 4: at me like I was very silly and foolish, because
Speaker 4: it is of course winter there, so I didn't see
Speaker 4: a bear, but it was really beautiful and nice, and
Speaker 4: also a reminder that in a lot of America, you know,
Speaker 4: you see these headlines about violence and protests and drama,
Speaker 4: but then in a lot of America, people are just
Speaker 4: kind of like proceeding with their lives and eating delicious
Speaker 4: food and not necessarily thinking about what's happening in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that update.
Speaker 4: One thing that everyone was talking about and which I
Speaker 4: feel like I really need to talk about as a result,
Speaker 4: is that Savannah Guthrie's mother is missing. Now. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've heard much about this case, but she
Speaker 4: is this American TV personality. She is a co host
Speaker 4: on the Today Show, so she's a morning TV host,
Speaker 4: and her beloved mother, who was eighty four years old.
Speaker 5: Has been missing since last Sunday.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I've seen headlines about this, and I've been confused.
Speaker 3: I've not been following it super closely. At first, I
Speaker 3: didn't understand if perhaps it was a case of a
Speaker 3: disappearance or maybe she had left willingly and they just
Speaker 3: couldn't find her. And then it looked like it was
Speaker 3: something more sinister. But then the FBI has kind of
Speaker 3: been going against what the family said.
Speaker 1: I'm so confused today.
Speaker 2: There's this awful video which everybody is talking about. But
Speaker 2: can I just go one step back, because I'd never
Speaker 2: to be honest, I'd never heard the name Savannah Gusrie
Speaker 2: before in my life, and I've seen Tori say.
Speaker 4: Who would she be like? She's like, everyone loves her,
Speaker 4: she's not political, she's got a lot of kind of
Speaker 4: credibility as a morning TV host.
Speaker 1: I think she'd be like a Natalie Barr.
Speaker 2: Like in Australia, Natalie Barr has been on Sunrise for decades.
Speaker 2: She's trusted, she's generally well liked. She's not controversial in
Speaker 2: any way, but people sort of feel like they know her.
Speaker 2: But she's not like an oversharer, but they'd feel like
Speaker 2: they had a parasocial relationship with her.
Speaker 4: One thing that's come out in this is that people
Speaker 4: have been saying that the thing about morning TV hosts
Speaker 4: is that you do feel like you know them, because look,
Speaker 4: she Savannah Guthrie. She's a former lawyer. She's a very
Speaker 4: serious journalist. She interviewed Donald Trump in twenty twenty. She
Speaker 4: was about to go to the Winter Olympics for NBC
Speaker 4: when all of this happened.
Speaker 1: She born in Australia.
Speaker 5: She was born in.
Speaker 4: Melbourne to American parents who are working here. But they're
Speaker 4: serious journalists who people nonetheless feel very warm and close
Speaker 4: to because they invite them into their living room's first
Speaker 4: thing in the morning.
Speaker 2: I think that's only traditionally how we felt about Australian
Speaker 2: breakfast TV people too. We've talked a lot lately about
Speaker 2: how that influence is waning a bit and so on,
Speaker 2: But yeah, you do, genuinely how the chemistry of how
Speaker 2: you feel about in this very there's an intimacy and
Speaker 2: a familiarity, but then I guess there's also like a
Speaker 2: contract that you know. I'm sure they show up amid
Speaker 2: you know, lots of life's up up and downs, but
Speaker 2: generally they're always smiling, like they're always there's a consistency
Speaker 2: to them being there and to just being chirpy in
Speaker 2: your morning.
Speaker 3: And it's quite in that way. It's almost like quite
Speaker 3: one note.
Speaker 4: And in this very polarized America which I just ascribed
Speaker 4: to you, a Savannah Guthrie is a figure who just
Speaker 4: about every American likes. I mean, you can name the
Speaker 4: Americans that every American likes now on practically one hand,
Speaker 4: Dolly part and Savannah Guthrie.
Speaker 5: I think that's about it.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, bad bunny, but I love
Speaker 2: heard there are people him, some inexplicable people who don't
Speaker 2: like him anyway, Please continue.
Speaker 4: But the thing about this is even separate from Savannah
Speaker 4: Guthrie's fame, This is a uniquely horrible story. It is
Speaker 4: just the kind of true crime story that we thought
Speaker 4: that we had left way back in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: People just are not getting kidnapped for arounsom anymore. So
Speaker 4: let me explain what happened. Savannah Guthrie is one of
Speaker 4: three kids. Their father died when they were quite young.
Speaker 4: Her mother, Nancy Guthrie, She is eighty four. Last Sunday,
Speaker 4: she was meant to be attending a streamed church service.
Speaker 4: The whole family is very religious with some friends, and
Speaker 4: she did not show up to the church service in
Speaker 4: the morning, so her friends called the police. They went
Speaker 4: around to her house, which is in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 5: It's kind of in the desert.
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of a few kilometers from Mexico.
Speaker 4: It's very far south in the US, and there was
Speaker 4: blood on the doorstep and she was not home. Now,
Speaker 4: the first reports, the ones that you probably saw Jesse,
Speaker 4: were kind of speculating, well, look, this woman is eighty four,
Speaker 4: is it possible that she wandered off? But then her family,
Speaker 4: including Savanna, were very quick to say no, this woman
Speaker 4: was exceptionally sound of mind. She did have some mobility issues,
Speaker 4: but there was no dementia involved here. This was someone
Speaker 4: who did not want to leave her house, and that
Speaker 4: the blood on the doorstep would seem to confirm that.
Speaker 4: There's basically been no leads since, which is a really
Speaker 4: long amount of time in a world where we think
Speaker 4: we're being tracked at all times, but no one knows.
Speaker 5: The FBI said that there's.
Speaker 4: No particular suspect or even person of interest they're looking at, but.
Speaker 2: Aren't they aren't there ransom demands or of some of
Speaker 2: those fake news.
Speaker 4: So the family has released two videos seemingly addressed to
Speaker 4: the kidnapper. There have been reports that ransom notes were
Speaker 4: sent to media outlets, including TMZ, but the ransom notes
Speaker 4: were not published by the media outlets.
Speaker 1: In these would be the way to handle that right
Speaker 1: here exactly. So that's like I was actually sort of impressing.
Speaker 4: For not publishing it. It has been reported that the
Speaker 4: ransom demand was six million US dollars to be paid
Speaker 4: in bitcoin.
Speaker 5: So in these two.
Speaker 4: Videos, which are really hard to watch, these three children
Speaker 4: sit on a sofa and they address this kidnapper from
Speaker 4: the ransom notes directly and they say to him or
Speaker 4: to her, to the kidnappers, we will pay.
Speaker 5: We really want our mother back.
Speaker 4: We will pay the ransom, but first we have to
Speaker 4: know you actually have our mother, because there's no way
Speaker 4: of knowing if these ransom notes are real. The latest
Speaker 4: development is the ransom notes were maybe not real, because
Speaker 4: Savannah Guthrie has released a video just speaking on her
Speaker 4: own and there's been a very distinct shift in tone.
Speaker 4: The ransom deadline has passed. Reporting as indicated that they
Speaker 4: did not pay the ransom, and she's no longer talking
Speaker 4: to the kidnapper. In fact, she's basically saying, we don't
Speaker 4: know anything. Please help us identify who this kidnapper is.
Speaker 4: Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 5: Hi there, everybody.
Speaker 6: I wanted to come on and just share a few
Speaker 6: thoughts as we enter into another week of the nightmare.
Speaker 6: I just want to say, first of all, thank you
Speaker 6: so much for all of the prayers and the love
Speaker 6: that we have felt, my sister and brother and I,
Speaker 6: and that our mom has felt.
Speaker 5: Because we believe that.
Speaker 6: Somehow, some way she is feeling these prayers and that
Speaker 6: God is lifting her even in this moment and in
Speaker 6: this darkest place. We believe our mom is still out there.
Speaker 5: We need your help.
Speaker 4: So a very distinct tone there of we don't know
Speaker 4: who kidnapped our mother. We're not talking about round some
Speaker 4: notes anymore. We just need some leads from the public.
Speaker 2: But then today this video from the doorbell camera that
Speaker 2: appears to be genuine, Yes, because Savannah Guthrie has shared
Speaker 2: it on her Instagram, and it is terrifying.
Speaker 3: And what does it show.
Speaker 4: It shows a man in a ski mask with what
Speaker 4: appears to be a gun in a holster walking up
Speaker 4: to Nancy Guthrie's home at around one thirty in the
Speaker 4: morning on the night that she went missing, and he
Speaker 4: he disarms the camera, and he also covers over perhaps
Speaker 4: another camera with some shrubbery because again she's sort of
Speaker 4: in the middle of the desert there. And then you
Speaker 4: really don't see anything of his face that the FBI
Speaker 4: has said maybe he has a mustache, but you can't really.
Speaker 5: See anything of him. And it's just.
Speaker 4: The most horrifying imagery. And clearly they've released this because
Speaker 4: this is my interpretation, but I don't think that the
Speaker 4: ransom notes were real because the deadline has passed, they
Speaker 4: didn't pay the ransom. We're not talking Savannah Guthrie's not
Speaker 4: talking about aroundsom anymore. And clearly the FBI and law
Speaker 4: enforcement has no idea who this person is, because that's
Speaker 4: why they've released this video so.
Speaker 5: Late in the piece.
Speaker 2: Other theories, I mean, I know, we don't know. Speculating
Speaker 2: is irresponsible, but I guess one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: it was always risky to go so public with this
Speaker 2: is the cranks like Asad though all those ransom notes,
Speaker 2: all the people who are going to jump this.
Speaker 4: Someone was in fact arrested for making hoax Ransomay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I can only imagine how devastating that would be.
Speaker 2: But are there any sort of credible theories about that
Speaker 2: this is related to celebrity and money, that it isn't
Speaker 2: that it's political, that it's like anything at all.
Speaker 4: There's no theories she was not a political figure. If
Speaker 4: the ransom notes aren't real, then why did someone do this? Jesse,
Speaker 4: I know that you used to host true crime conversations.
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, But the idea of kidnapping
Speaker 4: someone for ransom really does feel like a relic, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, even kidnapping as a sort of criminal act.
Speaker 3: And then you go, is it just a coincidence that
Speaker 3: she happened to have an incredibly famous daughter or is
Speaker 3: that part of the strategy. And with any sort of
Speaker 3: missing person's case, the family will tell you that the
Speaker 3: public is your only asset, that's all you have, like
Speaker 3: having a platform. There are so many missing people. It's
Speaker 3: always shocking when you look at the statistics and most
Speaker 3: don't get the spotlight and you know, can't tell you
Speaker 3: the story of the person that they can't find for
Speaker 3: you know, years or decades. And so you understand why
Speaker 3: this family is using everything at their disposal to beg
Speaker 3: for someone to come forward, because that's often how these
Speaker 3: crimes are resolved, is that someone says, oh, I did
Speaker 3: see a strange car at one thirty am, going like whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, so to.
Speaker 5: Not even have a car, you're a lead of a car,
Speaker 5: you would just think. Well.
Speaker 4: Another thing that's really confounded detectives on this is that
Speaker 4: that part of Arizona is very dark at night because
Speaker 4: it's it's again the desert. There are actually rules about
Speaker 4: not having street lights because of the nature of the
Speaker 4: ecosystem around there. So I guess there's just no lighting,
Speaker 4: but I mean to not have security cameras from neighbors lots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3: It's just it's completely bizarre.
Speaker 4: Obviously, this is a developing story, and in fact, as
Speaker 4: we were recording this, we just heard that law enforcement
Speaker 4: has detained someone for questioning.
Speaker 5: We very much.
Speaker 4: Hope that Nancy Guthrie will be found soon and will
Speaker 4: be keeping you updated on it.
Speaker 3: In a moment, Lindsey vonn the US athlete who has
Speaker 3: divided sports fans all over the world.
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Speaker 3: There is some confusion about penis injections at the Winter Olympics,
Speaker 3: and it's important we look very long, very hard.
Speaker 2: I saw these headlines everywhere on the weekend and I
Speaker 2: was very confused.
Speaker 1: I was like, what do penises have to do with skiing?
Speaker 2: I know that the I know the outfits are very tight.
Speaker 2: Are we all just a little bit outside?
Speaker 5: I was on a horse. I wasn't watching.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well, so the Winter Olympics began last Friday,
Speaker 3: like it was.
Speaker 2: Starting with the basis, yes, yes, it's in Italy, you're wondering, Yes,
Speaker 2: northern Italy where it is.
Speaker 3: Snowing cold, and I, for one have no idea what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 5: I've tried to our sports correspondent. If you don't know, who,
Speaker 5: don't know?
Speaker 3: Amerely. I tried to turn it on and I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the rules are. I don't know
Speaker 3: what we're trying to achieve. I assume landing on our
Speaker 3: feet and they're all I really.
Speaker 2: Like the figure skathing me too. It's my favorite because
Speaker 2: it's music. Yeah, good time, that's a bit of fun, right.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of jumping, there's a lot of sledding.
Speaker 3: They look cold, and most things look very dangerous.
Speaker 1: Does look really dangerous?
Speaker 3: Winter Olympics more dangerous, which we'll get to. But the
Speaker 3: outline of a penis I understand.
Speaker 6: So the.
Speaker 2: Bad Bunny video take your Way after the Sea exactly.
Speaker 2: I promise to stop trying to inject him into every conversation, very.
Speaker 1: Please, that's your fault.
Speaker 3: There are allegations that have been made and the World
Speaker 3: Doping Organization is looking into it, and those allegations are
Speaker 3: that male athletes are enlarging their penises with hyaluronic aspects.
Speaker 4: So is this But I thought hyaluronic acid was a
Speaker 4: great moisturizing skin ingreedy.
Speaker 1: Some mons it's a plumper.
Speaker 5: It's so you.
Speaker 3: Can get it in a syringe and you can plump.
Speaker 2: Thad rumors that like not just scares, but quite a
Speaker 2: lot of chaps do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's about is it anchorism to balance?
Speaker 5: It hunts their balance?
Speaker 3: I know, would I would think, or keep it warm
Speaker 3: because it's cold.
Speaker 5: Perhaps, I don't know if that works.
Speaker 3: Six Wise, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubta.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It does increase girth, not necessarily length as far as like, but.
Speaker 5: I don't think athletes want to be girthy.
Speaker 1: Do Well, Well, there's science here. Science.
Speaker 3: Why is this an advantage? Is the question we're all asking.
Speaker 3: That is, because it affords you a larger ski suit,
Speaker 3: which can apparently generate a small amount of extra lift.
Speaker 3: I refuse to go into the maths because I don't understand.
Speaker 3: But apparently a suit that has three centimeters more fabric
Speaker 3: could see an athlete traveling five meters.
Speaker 5: This does not make any sense. You're making it up.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Apparently they have like to get fitted with their special
Speaker 2: suits for the ski jump. They get three D body scan.
Speaker 2: Every like millimeter of their body is taken into consideration
Speaker 2: to make sure that suit fits them perfectly and gives
Speaker 2: them no particular like flapping advantage. So if I think
Speaker 2: the theory is and there is some contention about whether
Speaker 2: or not this is true, you are right. I mean,
Speaker 2: in theory, if you have a larger package, your suit
Speaker 2: will be that little bit larger.
Speaker 4: Okay, but here's my issue. Birds don't have famously larger penises,
Speaker 4: do they, And they seem to have.
Speaker 3: A great flat flying they fly, I have wings, yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe the penis is like a wing.
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I never did physix. But anyway, the doping agency has
Speaker 3: said that they yet to find hard proof and is
Speaker 3: taken the pis. They're having some fun to Holly, what
Speaker 3: has your intense research uncovered about whether or not you
Speaker 3: think they're enhanced penis?
Speaker 2: My vibe on this is like, sure, that's why you're
Speaker 2: getting the.
Speaker 1: Penis situations that's my vibe on this.
Speaker 2: It's definitely definitely about jumping a little bit further.
Speaker 5: To their elbows.
Speaker 1: We have all.
Speaker 2: Had about what goes on in the Olympic villages. A
Speaker 2: lot of good time, a lot of super hot, super fit,
Speaker 2: super healthy young people all rubbing up against each other.
Speaker 2: You can say it's for the flight advantage, and I
Speaker 2: will nod and smile and go okay.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, how offended would you be if you
Speaker 3: weren't accused? So what you want? Because they're going to
Speaker 3: go around and go, Holly, you're under investigation exactly, and
Speaker 3: then I'll go Amelia, you're actually fine, and you'll go,
Speaker 3: hang on. I would like to also be investigated, and
Speaker 3: so I think there's going to be some people who
Speaker 3: are very, very offended. Look, I think.
Speaker 4: Sometimes, do you remember when John Hamm came out so
Speaker 4: the mad charactor was accused of having a large penis
Speaker 4: accused and he said it was hurtful because it was
Speaker 4: all anyone wanted to talk about.
Speaker 5: So just show a little respect.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Winter Olympics, the biggest story to come
Speaker 3: out of the game so far surrounds a forty one
Speaker 3: year old woman named Lindsay Vaughn. Did you guys know
Speaker 3: much about Lindsay von.
Speaker 1: No, But this story is great. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not for her, it's not it's not terrible. It's really interesting.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. So she's competing for the USA. She's
Speaker 3: forty one years old, and depending on where you sit,
Speaker 3: she's either a fearless hero embodying the Olympic spirit, or
Speaker 3: she is selfish and stupid and she robbed another athlete
Speaker 3: of an opportunity.
Speaker 2: I think that there is somewhere in the middle there,
Speaker 2: but that's not.
Speaker 4: Generally what that's opinion.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to have a right, Okay. Bit of background.
Speaker 3: Vonn has been competing for twenty four years. She is
Speaker 3: one of the most decorated alpine skiers in his street.
Speaker 3: And she actually retired for about six years and then
Speaker 3: decided to come back. This would be marking her is
Speaker 3: marking her fifth Olympics and always looking quite good for her.
Speaker 3: That was until one week ago, one week before the Olympics,
Speaker 3: she sustains a torn ACL.
Speaker 4: Now, just I obviously know what an acl is for
Speaker 4: the listeners, what is any and acl is sinornee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's to do with like turning left and right, like,
Speaker 3: it's to do with that.
Speaker 5: So we all have it.
Speaker 3: We all have one.
Speaker 2: A lot of football players get it. A lot of
Speaker 2: female soccer players get it a lot. They say women
Speaker 2: are more likely to get the men. It's agonizing. You
Speaker 2: need surgery and yeah, if your inhabilitation, that's one of those.
Speaker 1: You're usually out of action for months.
Speaker 3: You can see it on the face of an athlete
Speaker 3: when they know they've done their ACL because they're looking
Speaker 3: down the barrel at a really significant recovery. She also
Speaker 3: had a bone bruise, and for most athletes are going
Speaker 3: into our to downhill skiing, this would mean bowing out.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, I was gonna do it, youcause
Speaker 1: can't do it now.
Speaker 4: Because knees in addition to penis has seem important for skiing.
Speaker 3: They do is important exactly, but not Von. She was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not bowing out. I am competing. In two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, Actually, Tiger Woods competed in the US Open
Speaker 3: with a torn ACL and stress fractures in his left leg.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, j it's golf.
Speaker 3: But I had to bring up Tiger Woods because he's
Speaker 3: her ex and I just thought that that was just
Speaker 3: I wanted to put it in, but I didn't want
Speaker 3: it to sound like that's the most interesting thing about her.
Speaker 3: But I know you wanted to know too. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 3: skiing is not golf, as established, but she had won
Speaker 3: twelve times in this exact spot in Cortina, and she
Speaker 3: was attempting to become the oldest alpine skier man or
Speaker 3: woman to win an Olympic medal. That dream was not realized,
Speaker 3: so thirteen seconds into her run, she experienced a devastating
Speaker 3: crash which ended in a broken leg, the same leg
Speaker 3: with the ruptured ACL, and you could hear her screams
Speaker 3: of pain on the broadcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is what I don't understand. Why is she
Speaker 4: at pains to tell us that that had nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the ACL.
Speaker 2: Because she doesn't want it to seem like she was
Speaker 2: really irris, like, so I'm going to compete no matter what.
Speaker 2: I've got a torn ACL and a bone bruise. But
Speaker 2: and all the doctors are like ah. In fact, she
Speaker 2: I saw some social media from her where she repeated
Speaker 2: it a doctor had said this isn't possible, you can't
Speaker 2: do it, and her vibe is like, thanks doc, just
Speaker 2: because you said it's impossible.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make it impossible. I will do it.
Speaker 3: So the people who go, you shouldn't have taken a
Speaker 3: spot because you were never match fit. She's trying to
Speaker 3: say what happened on that field could have happened to anyone,
Speaker 3: and experts tend to agree with her. They say that actually,
Speaker 3: it wasn't to do with her leg. It was to
Speaker 3: do with she clipped something as she went past, and
Speaker 3: it was to do with balance and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: It could have happened to anyone. That's one theory. But
Speaker 3: she was ultimately airlifted from the course. Another American, Breezy Johnson,
Speaker 3: won the gold medal, but many say that that was
Speaker 3: eclipsed by Vonn's disastrous run. The question, therefore, is like
Speaker 3: whether she should have competed at all? Should she have
Speaker 3: competed riddled with injury? Is it hubris? Or is this
Speaker 3: what the Olympics is kind of all about? What do
Speaker 3: you think college?
Speaker 2: I think athletes are a very very different breed to
Speaker 2: the rest of us. I might be like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: got a saw leg, Damn, I have to sit around
Speaker 2: and watch Bridgeton and e chocolates like that might be
Speaker 2: my position. But I've interviewed several athletes, including this amazing woman,
Speaker 2: Australian woman called Lydia Lassila. Right, she was an aerial skier,
Speaker 2: so they're the skiers who do all the tricks in
Speaker 2: the air, and she was amazing. She became an aerial
Speaker 2: skier because she was a gymnast and then she had
Speaker 2: like a career ending injury in gymnastics and was told
Speaker 2: you compete again, so again, instead of sitting down and
Speaker 2: watching Telly with her chocolates, she went and retrained as
Speaker 2: like as an aerial skier to compete in the Olympics
Speaker 2: in that way. She had a baby and everyone said, well,
Speaker 2: no one ever comes back after having a baby to
Speaker 2: the same level of fitness and wins. She proved them
Speaker 2: all wrong. Now she's a commentator on Channel nine for
Speaker 2: this Winter Olympics. But I remember when I talked to her,
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, this is a different species of
Speaker 2: person in a way. Yeah that this just since they
Speaker 2: were tiny. I think for a lot of professional athletes,
Speaker 2: this is the drive that has been embedded in them
Speaker 2: and they don't necessarily know how to divert from that,
Speaker 2: and that can be an enormous strength, but it can
Speaker 2: also be it could also really put blinkers on you.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at she was forty one, right, Lindsay Vaughn.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that's cruel about sport is it's
Speaker 2: a place where.
Speaker 1: Ageism is kind of justified.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily because your body slows down if you're super
Speaker 2: fit and depending on your sport and all those things,
Speaker 2: but because of the accumulated injuries. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily that Lindsay Vonn at forty one wasn't as
Speaker 2: fit or anything, but she's had years and years of
Speaker 2: her legs being smashed up, She's had knee reconstruction.
Speaker 3: Her good knee is made of titan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then you think about like a Tom Brady, you
Speaker 2: know who he retired, who's an American football player of
Speaker 2: much fame and adoration, and he retired, came back, retired,
Speaker 2: came back. He's like, I'm forty five, I'm still going
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. I don't care, you know.
Speaker 2: I think there's just this drive and is it to
Speaker 2: be admired? I think is a question because sometimes I
Speaker 2: watch footballers say, oh, I played that whole ground final
Speaker 2: with a broken cheekbone, and I think, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's a good message. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want kids to all think that, you know, so what,
Speaker 2: I've got a broken arm I play on or not.
Speaker 2: That's the dichotomy here. Is that a great thing for resilience, strengths,
Speaker 2: determination or is it kind of a super huge like
Speaker 2: not admitting that we are human and that we are
Speaker 2: weak and that we can sometimes have to change our plans.
Speaker 3: Well, it is broadly celebrated. The footballer who plays the
Speaker 3: Grand Final with the injuries. They look like they were
Speaker 3: sustained in a car accident. That is something that at
Speaker 3: the end you get the you know, player of the
Speaker 3: match thing and everyone applauds you and goes, wow, you're
Speaker 3: a gladiator and you were applaud that I suppose, but
Speaker 3: also it's like.
Speaker 1: Is it stupid?
Speaker 3: But then I was thinking about Simone Biles at the
Speaker 3: Olympics and when she got the twisties and that was
Speaker 3: when she you know, couldn't sense her body in space
Speaker 3: and she knew that competing would be dangerous and she went,
Speaker 3: I'm going to bow out because what I do is dangerous.
Speaker 3: Probably like not dissimilar to what vond does, and she
Speaker 3: got a.
Speaker 1: Lot of shit.
Speaker 3: A lot of people kind of went, you're a Twitter,
Speaker 3: You're a snowflake. What have we trained you for? What
Speaker 3: have we invested in if you can't just get up
Speaker 3: and do it.
Speaker 4: Although Naomi Orsaka said out of the Australian Open just recently,
Speaker 4: citing a particular issue with her body, which she didn't specify,
Speaker 4: and I don't think she got that kind of pushback.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: I read a quote from Lindsay where she said she
Speaker 4: tried to sort of universalize what she had done. She said,
Speaker 4: similar to ski racing, we take risks in life. We dream,
Speaker 4: we love, we jump, and sometimes we fall. Sometimes our
Speaker 4: hearts are broken. Sometimes we don't achieve the dreams we
Speaker 4: know we could have. But that is also the beauty
Speaker 4: of life. We can try. And I see what she's
Speaker 4: trying to do there, because I'm sure she's sensitive to
Speaker 4: the criticism that she's taking up a place that she's
Speaker 4: maybe even being physically reckless, and she's trying to say,
Speaker 4: but I'm doing this to show that you can always try,
Speaker 4: even if you fail.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't see a lot of myself or my life
Speaker 4: in this particular situation. I'm not necessarily buying this sort
Speaker 4: of analogy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you distill that down, it's like because
Speaker 2: I want to do you know what I mean? It's like,
Speaker 2: why are you competing with a broken knee and you know,
Speaker 2: a bone bruise and this and that and an acy
Speaker 2: like because I want to? And it's like in a
Speaker 2: way that level of individual ambition celebrated or not.
Speaker 3: That's the that isn't that it's certainly not that relatable
Speaker 3: relatable Who the hell is watching the Winter Olympics because
Speaker 3: it's relatable. I can't do anything. I look at snow
Speaker 3: when I break my nature like I am horrified, but
Speaker 3: I would never take any of us.
Speaker 1: I start crying, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You get cold fingers, it's very painful. But looking at
Speaker 3: these athletes, you just go there is something about them.
Speaker 3: They're superhuman. And Lindsay Vaughn has been doing this for
Speaker 3: twenty years. She knows her body, her team knows her body,
Speaker 3: and I think I completely understand why she competed because
Speaker 3: she probably won't ever get that opportuity like that was
Speaker 3: probably her last I would say her last.
Speaker 5: Gee won't get.
Speaker 3: All those years like and there is something about showing
Speaker 3: up in the face of adversity, like I.
Speaker 4: Do you sedged by that idea that she's really just
Speaker 4: doing this thing to show all of us that you
Speaker 4: can achieve what you want to achieve, and even if
Speaker 4: you don't, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also that there's a stunning there's a bravery
Speaker 3: to it, and also that that people like Lindsay vonn
Speaker 3: feel pain and have a different relationship with their bodies
Speaker 3: to what any of us have, which is why we
Speaker 3: will never ski in the Olympics, Like she's.
Speaker 2: A But your excuse for not skinning the Olympics is
Speaker 2: because you've got a plate in your leg and you're
Speaker 2: pregnant with twins. I say soft, I say soft.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to bring this up. But so Lindsay
Speaker 3: von broke a leg. Yes, who got exactly the same
Speaker 3: injury as Lindsay you did. Yeah, so she fractured her tiber.
Speaker 1: And look at you out there on the scheme Bye.
Speaker 3: Tripped over a rock. Lindsay was doing something a little
Speaker 3: bit different. She now needs to get all her surgery.
Speaker 3: She's going to get the pull through her leg. Give
Speaker 3: me a call, Lindsey, I can I can counsel you
Speaker 3: through it. It's going to be a long recovery.
Speaker 1: So much in common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm bringing the least important segment of to day.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought I brought penises.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that was that wasn't very important, but maybe
Speaker 2: even less important than whether or not penises are essential
Speaker 2: ballast for ski jumping is some relationship gossip. Who doesn't
Speaker 2: like that? Okay, I've got some things to share with you.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for a start? Immediately after the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: we all remember the Super Bowl except for Melia. An
Speaker 2: American didn't wrong Holly.
Speaker 4: Listeners should know that Holly has been grabbing me by
Speaker 4: the shoulders all morning, begging me to watch the.
Speaker 5: Bad Bunny halftime Show. I of course watched the Alternative
Speaker 5: halftime show.
Speaker 1: I came she came.
Speaker 2: Into that, and I was like, what's it feel like
Speaker 2: to be from the nation of Bad Bunny?
Speaker 1: She me like that, what's crazy? Anyway?
Speaker 2: There have been some brutal sport adjacent actually relationship stories.
Speaker 2: So Cardi b who is a very famous artist, she
Speaker 2: was dancing at the casino at Brand Bunny.
Speaker 1: She goes out with.
Speaker 2: One of the footballers who was playing on the day
Speaker 2: and he lost and she immediately unfollowed.
Speaker 1: Him, and I think that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have questions. Do we think something dramatic happened
Speaker 3: or do you think he's a loser and she couldn't wait.
Speaker 2: I think what had happened is Stephan Diggs, who was
Speaker 2: playing for the Patriots. They had probably already broken up,
Speaker 2: but she chose to wait till his lowest moment.
Speaker 4: She would have attempted to get back together if they won,
Speaker 4: so she was.
Speaker 2: Like loser on follow Everyone goes, oh my god, they've
Speaker 2: broken up. Kendall Jenner was dancing with our friend Haley
Speaker 2: b but she has just arrived in Australia, as discussed.
Speaker 2: But they were in the special box with your friends
Speaker 2: Kim Kardash Lewis Hamilton who went public at Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and they were dancing holding hands, and I like to
Speaker 2: think that Haley was saying, it's right, Kendall, I know
Speaker 2: you used.
Speaker 1: To go out with bad buddy.
Speaker 2: Your mom will forgive you for having broken up with him,
Speaker 2: just as he becomes the most famous man in.
Speaker 1: The entire unit.
Speaker 3: So Kendall broke up with him.
Speaker 2: We don't know, Okay, they have been separated for a while,
Speaker 2: but it's the mixed feelings in that box would have
Speaker 2: been interesting, interesting, but particularly excellent. Right, it's a story
Speaker 2: that is coming out of the Winter Olympics, strangely enough.
Speaker 1: About a Norwegian by athlete. Now again, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: There must be lots of sports minded out louders who
Speaker 2: listen to us and just go what, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to No, Yeah.
Speaker 5: What is a bar?
Speaker 4: I thought it's.
Speaker 1: Two sports at the Winter Olympics.
Speaker 2: But so when I got seeing this by athlete, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is about this particular Norwegian skiing event where
Speaker 2: you ski cross country and you shoot.
Speaker 1: So this is what this chat, That's what I.
Speaker 5: Was doing in was.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to do my best with I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily amazing on the Norwegian names. He's called Stuler home
Speaker 2: leg led right, and he won a bronze medal and
Speaker 2: the men's twenty kilometers event. And when he won, he
Speaker 2: made the after event press conference all about apologizing to
Speaker 2: his girlfriend who he had cheated on. Okay, so he
Speaker 2: said in front of all the cameras six months ago,
Speaker 2: I met the love of my life, the most beautiful
Speaker 2: and kindest person in the world. Three months ago. I
Speaker 2: made my biggest mistake and cheated on her. I told
Speaker 2: her about it a week ago. It's been the worst
Speaker 2: week of my life. I had a gold medal in
Speaker 2: my life and there are probably many who look at
Speaker 2: me with different eyes, but I only have eyes for her.
Speaker 2: Sport has come second these last few days. Yes, I
Speaker 2: wish I could share this with her. I do not
Speaker 2: want to say who it is. She's had enough to
Speaker 2: deal with after last week. But I hope there is
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel for us both
Speaker 2: and that she will continue to go.
Speaker 5: Stiller, I got words for you, Stiller.
Speaker 4: So you met the most beautiful, perfect woman of your
Speaker 4: whole life.
Speaker 5: And then three months took you. Three months you cheated
Speaker 5: on her.
Speaker 3: When you were meant to be busy training.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe Bruna go if he wasn't so busy cheating.
Speaker 2: Do you if you're the ex girlfriend? If this was
Speaker 2: a rom com right, and she would have watched that,
Speaker 2: she would be crying on the couch with her girlfriends
Speaker 2: watching that, and then she they'd be like.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
Speaker 5: And she'd be like, I think I have to give
Speaker 5: him another chance.
Speaker 3: I'd be mortified. I'd be so mortified. The press is
Speaker 3: going to be on your in a hot minute.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: He was like, I don't know if she's going to
Speaker 4: be watching, but she was clearly watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's clearly going to someone's going to send it
Speaker 3: to her and go have you seen this?
Speaker 1: What would you if?
Speaker 2: This is how we.
Speaker 1: How are we reacting?
Speaker 2: Like one week ago he told her that he cheated
Speaker 2: and they broke up, and now he's at the Olympics
Speaker 2: and he's not doing what would you change?
Speaker 4: He didn't even win God noted expert on what would
Speaker 4: you do?
Speaker 3: Nah, I wouldn't be taking him back. I'd be I'd
Speaker 3: be mortified by the whole thing. I think there are
Speaker 3: particular moments in your life where you've completely lost your
Speaker 3: mind and that man is in it, which is a
Speaker 3: shame because this was his one moment.
Speaker 1: I can do that to you. And though you.
Speaker 3: Needed to not make that about you cheating because that's
Speaker 3: irrelevant to your side.
Speaker 1: All your friends and everyone didn't know about the cheating part.
Speaker 5: It's so I just think the three months thing, mate.
Speaker 3: And then why did it take you another three months
Speaker 3: to tell her.
Speaker 2: He said that he hoped that that committing social suicide,
Speaker 2: which I think was him spilling all his guts in
Speaker 2: front of the camera, would help win her back.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'd think so, Stella.
Speaker 2: But we're all going to be watching and I have
Speaker 2: one more yes, excellent bit of relationship gossip to bring
Speaker 2: and drop on the table before you for us to
Speaker 2: pick over our friends.
Speaker 1: And Ben.
Speaker 5: Holy, you need to move on.
Speaker 2: They have been seen together many times lately. They were
Speaker 2: photographed holding hands together walking into Jimmy Kimmel a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago. There are been lots of signings on page six.
Speaker 2: They've been going around New York holding hands, kissing.
Speaker 1: They may be back together. How do we feel.
Speaker 3: Has Matt Damon not been through enough? That poor man
Speaker 3: is sitting there going, Ben's calling him. In fact, Ben's
Speaker 3: on the phone to him speaking and Ben's going, when's
Speaker 3: he gonna bring it up? And Matt's like, I'm not,
Speaker 3: I'm actually not. I can't take that on anymore. And
Speaker 3: his wife is going, we are done. We are done
Speaker 3: with Jennifer.
Speaker 2: I know. One of the best comments on the gossip
Speaker 2: post about it was just someone saying, imagine how pissed
Speaker 2: off their friends.
Speaker 1: Because we all know that couple, right, We're just like, no,
Speaker 1: should we get back together? No, we should not get
Speaker 1: back together.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, I would like to get a letter from
Speaker 2: Emmanuel mccrono. This is a thing that is happening, right,
Speaker 2: I know, But I am too old, literally too old
Speaker 2: to do that, because the French government is planning on
Speaker 2: sending a letter to all twenty nine year olds in France.
Speaker 2: They say letter. Do they mean letter? Do they mean email?
Speaker 2: Do they mean a drop?
Speaker 1: A leaflet drop in them?
Speaker 5: It's a very chic letter on French government.
Speaker 2: Letter send a letter to all twenty nine year olds
Speaker 2: in the country encouraging them to have babies before it
Speaker 2: is too late. Now we have touched on this topic
Speaker 2: a lot lately about fertility and da da da da da.
Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands of young people are going to receive
Speaker 2: this letter which aims to sort of negate Franci's declining fertility,
Speaker 2: which is an issue that very many countries are facing.
Speaker 2: And the letter aims to provide targeted, balanced and scientifically
Speaker 2: based information on sexual and reproductive health to avoid the
Speaker 2: If only I had known mentality that the health ministry
Speaker 2: are worried young people have. Crucially, France is backing this up.
Speaker 2: Women from the age of twenty nine to thirty seven
Speaker 2: get their egg freezing costs covered in France under a
Speaker 2: health policy.
Speaker 3: So that's all good, right em Vernon would much prefer
Speaker 3: that letter than her taxes. She would be stoked to
Speaker 3: get this letter and just go who it's not a
Speaker 3: fine this is.
Speaker 2: An admin night that she would be really embracing. We've
Speaker 2: talked a lot, as I said, about this lately, so
Speaker 2: it's interesting. But what I want to know from my
Speaker 2: two smart friends is if you could letter drop every
Speaker 2: twenty nine year old in Australia, what would you put
Speaker 2: in the letter?
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I'm constantly letter dropping my husband
Speaker 3: who is this age. Oh he is too, and I'm
Speaker 3: always just imbuing my wisdom on him because i do
Speaker 3: feel as though there's something that happens in your thirties
Speaker 3: where you just become a lot wiser than anyone pre thirty,
Speaker 3: and so I'm always I'm telling him that after twenty nine,
Speaker 3: I feel like your life speeds up. It feels like
Speaker 3: something's on fast forward and everything starts going really fast
Speaker 3: and there's this re prioritizing and also going like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe you have more of a sense of time, maybe
Speaker 3: you know your parents are getting a little bit old
Speaker 3: or whatever. You have more of a sense of spending
Speaker 3: it intentionally. But I would also say it's not long
Speaker 3: before you're going to start hearing things like bone density, ah,
Speaker 3: and how important it is to do your weight training. Holy,
Speaker 3: you'll tell you. And if you're lost my thing. I
Speaker 3: spoke at my old high school this morning, and this
Speaker 3: is one of the things I said. If you are
Speaker 3: feeling lost at twenty nine and you're just kind of going,
Speaker 3: what do I do next?
Speaker 1: I don't know what my journey is whatever.
Speaker 2: The kids in your high school, by the way, would
Speaker 2: have been like twenty nine.
Speaker 1: But I need to walk in.
Speaker 3: Then think back to who you were at five, because
Speaker 3: I think there's always a hint there about who you are,
Speaker 3: like the truest sense of yourself, and you try and
Speaker 3: get away from the person that you were, even at school.
Speaker 3: I feel like your twenties are about trying to get
Speaker 3: away from who you were as a kid or as
Speaker 3: an adolescent, And like, I couldn't even look at pictures
Speaker 3: of me with all my dental work, and you know,
Speaker 3: like the awkwardness and the insecurity of that period, and
Speaker 3: then you go, oh, she actually knew what was up,
Speaker 3: Like I actually want to get back to that fourteen
Speaker 3: year old who was really weird and quirky and people
Speaker 3: gave her a hard time, Like, I think she's got
Speaker 3: more integrity than all the different identities you try on
Speaker 3: through your twenties.
Speaker 4: I do think twenty nine it is a bit of
Speaker 4: a turning point. Yeah, not least because particularly for women.
Speaker 4: I loved that the French government, by the way, sentence
Speaker 4: to men and women, Yes.
Speaker 2: Not just women, or did that It's going to everybody
Speaker 2: and maybe not Emmanuel himself, but they've said we want
Speaker 2: all French people to be aware of the biological clocks.
Speaker 2: We know male and female biological clocks different, but men
Speaker 2: have them too.
Speaker 5: I bet biological clock sounds great in friends, much better.
Speaker 5: Wish I knew what that was anyway.
Speaker 4: I think at twenty nine people start telling women in particular,
Speaker 4: don't panic, which of course made me panic because you're
Speaker 4: just going about your life and then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden people start saying you have time. But that makes
Speaker 4: me panic because I wasn't even thinking about time until
Speaker 4: I turned twenty nine and started thinking about it. Apparently
Speaker 4: Kendall Jenner, who we just spoke about, some wisdom from
Speaker 4: Kendall I am. She's all of thirty now. She designated
Speaker 4: twenty nine as the year she chose herself. And that's
Speaker 4: exactly what I said at twenty nine when I was
Speaker 4: broken up with Well, I.
Speaker 3: Wonder what Kendall Jenna was doing at twenty eight.
Speaker 5: She was choosing bad bunny. That was the issue.
Speaker 4: And so I thought long and hard about actually useful
Speaker 4: advice to tell twenty nine year olds all across Australia.
Speaker 5: And here it is.
Speaker 4: You are about to start being deep confused about what
Speaker 4: jeans to wear. Welcome, Welcome to the age of Jean's confusion. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's only going to get worse from here.
Speaker 3: Yeah not okay, more than jeans those songs parts that
Speaker 3: Maya is wearing that are like what would you call them,
Speaker 3: like cutoffs like.
Speaker 1: She's wearing so obviously this isn't a.
Speaker 2: But she Maya has been getting around the office all
Speaker 2: week in these really big baggy they're jawts, really, but
Speaker 2: they're not jawts. They're like big baggy Bermuda shorts, visible socks,
Speaker 2: and sand shoes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 1: But she is dressing like my thirteen year old son exactly.
Speaker 4: Anyway, what would you tell twenty nine year olds.
Speaker 2: I think you're right about that, but you see, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't like me.
Speaker 5: Because I you say, don't panic.
Speaker 2: I say, thirty isn't a deadline, and forty isn't a deadline. Everybody,
Speaker 2: all the young women that I know and have worked
Speaker 2: with like that.
Speaker 1: That's my genuine advice.
Speaker 5: Is there's this.
Speaker 2: I think that the panic is deeply unhelpful. It might
Speaker 2: have worked out well if you go, I've got to
Speaker 2: get married and I've got to change my job, and
Speaker 2: I've got to do it, and you picked all the
Speaker 2: right things, but panic can put you in very You
Speaker 2: can make some very bad choices if you're like thinking.
Speaker 2: I said, before I was thirty, I was going to
Speaker 2: X Y Z, and I haven't, and so I have
Speaker 2: to Lots of interesting things will continue to happen to
Speaker 2: you after you turn thirty.
Speaker 1: So I would say that from a serious point of.
Speaker 2: View, But I would say, also eat more protein so
Speaker 2: you don't have to mainline it in your forties, which
Speaker 2: we have discussed a lot lately to take lots and
Speaker 2: lots of.
Speaker 1: Pictures of yourself.
Speaker 2: This used to be good advice, but now everyone does
Speaker 2: take lots and lots of pictures of themselves. But because
Speaker 2: there is nothing true. It's such a cliche. But every
Speaker 2: time I see a photo of myself, even from a
Speaker 2: year ago, five years ago, ten years ago, I can
Speaker 2: picture exactly what I thought of myself and my body
Speaker 2: and my face in that moment. And when I look
Speaker 2: at it from here, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just like you.
Speaker 3: That was the young week.
Speaker 2: But also but I feel compassionate. I was like you,
Speaker 2: sweet darling, you have no idea, like you look fucking great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all those twenty nine year olds, That's what I'd say
Speaker 2: in the message, you look fucking great.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: Oh, every twenty nine year old looks so hot.
Speaker 1: Every twenty nine year old looks so hot.
Speaker 3: Just don't wear a bra like I just think it's
Speaker 3: like if Nora.
Speaker 4: Everyone said, basically, if you're in your twenties, you should
Speaker 4: be wearing a bikini every day.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so true.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I think, kind of fuck it is
Speaker 2: that I still think. I don't think you have to
Speaker 2: be like I'm tipping into thirty, so now I have
Speaker 2: to get serious, like no, be be that five year
Speaker 2: old person.
Speaker 1: That's what I say, be that five years.
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine the existential crisis this letter appearing
Speaker 2: in your in your mailbox, though.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, you know, like you used to?
Speaker 2: Maybe you still do if you turn one hundred, get
Speaker 2: a telegram from the Queen slash king now and it's
Speaker 2: something to aspire to. And I can just imagine all
Speaker 2: these young people like going, oh no, I'm nearly at
Speaker 2: the time when I get the letter from the problem Minister.
Speaker 4: They're French, They're used to existential crises every day.
Speaker 3: It's I just I can't think of anything less sexy
Speaker 3: than the been a manual.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I think that's fairly sexy.
Speaker 3: We'll just send a photo with you shut off macarn
Speaker 3: like that might be sexier for people.
Speaker 1: Make more little French men like me.
Speaker 3: Here's here's me. Here's a few pigs from the winters.
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Speaker 1: Dear, maybe thankfully that's all we've got today. That was
Speaker 1: a show that went all over the place. Thank you
Speaker 1: out Louders for being here with us through all that.
Speaker 2: Thank you to Meyvie less of a coming back and
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Speaker 5: Talk about pushing the limits of the possible.
Speaker 2: Vonn right now, straight off your Hailey Baldwin flight with
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Speaker 2: with us, and thanks for brilliant team for helping us
Speaker 2: put it together. As always, we'll be back in your
Speaker 2: ears tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Bye. Marmyer acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on
Speaker 3: which we have recorded this podcast.